[casual_games] RE: Casual_Games Digest, Vol 14, Issue 22

Mon Jul 31 12:34:24 EDT 2006

>[casual_games] Is the 10 meg "ceiling" officially over?

There's definitely a drop in conversion rate as the file size grows.
However, I think the 10meg "ceiling" is dated. The average I'm seeing as
of late is in the 12-14mb range. 

Perhaps the ceiling today is 18-20Mb?

I'd be careful to put too much stock in individual cases like the ones
you quoted; individual titles could be benefiting from better
placement/marketing/brand/license/etc.

Kim

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Today's Topics:

   1. RE: surprising stats about casual gaming - casual	games
      definition (Ulrich Tausend)
   2. Is the 10 meg "ceiling" officially over? (Jamie Carlson)
   3. RE: Is the 10 meg "ceiling" officially over? (Cole, Vladimir)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:10:36 +0200
From: "Ulrich Tausend" <ut at neodelight.com>
Subject: RE: [casual_games] surprising stats about casual gaming -
	casual	games definition
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Concerning a definition of Casual Games:
The defining feature of a Casual Game is that you can feel casual
playing
it.
And that means that the investment that you have to put in to play it,
has
to be pretty low. Lower than for core or hardcore games.

Investment means
- time
- experience
- learning effort
- frustration potential
- (not money)

That means that a "casual" game on the Nintendo DS or the Playstation 2
would also be a Casual Game. Therefore there are different platforms for
casual games.
For example: "Try-before-you-buy PC" or "XBox live arcade" or the DS or
so.

It is "easy" to play a casual game.

I wrote a text about casual games and gender with couple of pages about
a
definition. But it is only in german. But I will translate it in the
coming
weeks.
Ulrich

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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:30:54 -0700
> From: "Juan Gril" <juangril at jojugames.com>
> Subject: RE: [casual_games] surprising stats about casual gaming
> To: "'IGDA Casual Games SIG Mailing List'" <casual_games at igda.org>
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> We are trying to define the key design elements of a Casual Game (what
is
> a
> Casual Game) in the IGDA Casual Games White Paper:
>
>
http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/Casual_Games_SIG/Whitepaper/Productio
n_an
> d_Design
>
> Comments are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Juan
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>
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Ulrich Tausend

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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:22:40 -0400
From: "Jamie Carlson" <jamiecarlson at gmail.com>
Subject: [casual_games] Is the 10 meg "ceiling" officially over?
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With the apparent success of "Hidden Expedition Titanic" (lumbering in
at
around 30 megs), and the previous success of the Mystery Case Files
series
(both in the 20+ meg range)... is the 10meg limit a thing of the past?

Perhaps it is just due to the fact that the "scavenger hunt" game fans
are a
special breed and don't mind, but it appears as though they have no
qualms
about downloading the larger installers.

Thoughts?
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:01:57 -0400
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