[casual_games] Just when you thought match-3 had beendoneinevery way...

[Juan Gril]

Critics are usually people with very good knowledge about the art form they
are reviewing. The role of a critic in society is to take a detailed
observant view of the piece of art and describe it for the potential
audience.

Roger Ebert is one of the most respected critics in cinema because he has
always put himself in the audience's shoes, and even then he disagrees with
them sometimes (see his Napoleon Dynamite review as an example). Critics who
lose touch with the majority of the audience become victims of their own
knowledge (and tastes) and makes them lose the perception necessary to
evaluate pieces of art. THAT is silly.

Cheers,

Juan


On 5/2/07, Stephen Triche <Striche at yatecgames.com> wrote:

>

>  By that I mean, while it's reasonable to think people can envision what

> other people may find entertaining in order to make a game for them, it's

> less reasonable to assume they are going to change what excites them

> personally.

>

>

>

> It's not just what their geek friends like; it's what they may like as

> well. To ask someone to change what they find entertaining because other

> people don't like it seems silly.

>

>

>

> -Stephen

>

>

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> *From:* casual_games-bounces at igda.org [mailto:

> casual_games-bounces at igda.org] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Triche

> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:06 PM

> *To:* IGDA Casual Games SIG Mailing List

> *Subject:* Re: [casual_games] Just when you thought match-3 had

> beendoneinevery way...

>

>

>

> Well, there's the flipside of that as well.

>

>

>

> Do what you know.

>

>

>

> -Stephen

>

>

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> *From:* casual_games-bounces at igda.org [mailto:

> casual_games-bounces at igda.org] *On Behalf Of *Juan Gril

> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 02, 2007 4:43 PM

> *To:* IGDA Casual Games SIG Mailing List

> *Subject:* Re: [casual_games] Just when you thought match-3 had been

> doneinevery way...

>

>

>

> I think it's great that members of the core game industry and the core

> game press are so excited about Puzzle Quest. I do feel that it's a little

> disappointing that when Casual Game developers innovate over the match-3

> mechanic (ie: Jewel Quest, Big Kahuna Reef, Burger Rush, Cradle of Rome),

> they call us "cloners". And then comes a traditional video game studio and

> puts RPG elements in a match-3 game and oh no, that's complete innovation.

>

> And please don't get me wrong, I love Puzzle Quest. But I'm an ex-core

> gamer, and I've played core games for almost 20 years. So in reference of

> what Andy was saying, the RPG elements are not appealing to casual gamers.

> And it's because casual gamers don't have a reference of what an RPG is.

>

> What the members of the core game industry and the core game press should

> realize is that they need to take out their tights and put some normal

> people clothes, so they can start looking at the entire world instead of

> considering what's good and what's not based on what their geek friends

> like.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Juan

>

> On 5/2/07, *James Terry* <JTerry at yatecgames.com> wrote:

>

> I think it really comes down to what qualifies as a clone or not. Is

> Bookworm Adventures a clone of Bookworm? Puzzle Quest and Bookworm

> Adventures are very good examples of taking a solid game mechanic and

> branching out into new territory with it instead of taking the base idea and

> doing an IP theme change.

>

>

>

> It may not appeal to all of the fans of the games the mechanics were

> created from, but so long as it is bringing more fans into the mix, it is

> probably a good thing.

>

>

>

> I'll try waiting for the PC release of Puzzle Quest.

>

>

>

> *James R. Terry*

> Yatec, LLC

> 11606 Southfork, Suite 300

> Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70816

> (225) 274-1550 Ext. 136

> www.yatecgames.com

>

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> *From:* casual_games-bounces at igda.org [mailto:casual_games-bounces at igda.org]

> *On Behalf Of *Robert Headley

> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:23 PM

> *To:* IGDA Casual Games SIG Mailing List

> *Subject:* Re: [casual_games] Just when you thought match-3 had been done

> inevery way...

>

>

>

> The game is also coming out for Xbox Live Arcade, and I plan to buy it,

> when it comes out for that

>

> Just as Puzzle quest might not appeal to some fans of Bejeweled, it will

> appeal to other players, and perhaps, for a longer time then bejeweled

> allowed. I almost think its unfair to call this level of remixing, a clone.

>

> On 5/2/07, *Andy Makely* <rendermouse at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> We often complain about how game mechanics can get cloned to death, and

> it's refreshing to see someone take an old favorite and completely turn it

> on its head and make an amazing game.

>

> I'm talking about Puzzle Quest for DS and PSP.  I just got it for DS, and

> I can't stop playing it.  Take your standard role-playing game, and make the

> battle mode a gem-swapping match-3 where each character takes a turn.  New

> quests, improved character abilities, acquiring magic items, capturing enemy

> spells, etc. all depend upon you succeeding on the match-3 battle grid.

> This game has even hardcore console gamers raving about it.

>

> Of course, the trouble is that Puzzle Quest may have crossed the "casual

> game" line.  One person I know, who is a big Bejeweled fan, wasn't

> interested in PQ because of all the extra role-playing elements of the

> game.  It was a layer of complexity they felt like they didn't need.  Maybe

> it's not "casual" enough for some.

>

> What do you folks think?  How do you expand on basic, established game

> mechanics without adding so much that it drives players away?

>

> If you're curious, there's a PC demo available from their site...even

> though there is no PC version for sale.

> http://www.infinite-interactive.com/puzzlequest/

>

>

> --

> andy makely

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