From greatalexandros at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 07:26:45 2009
From: greatalexandros at gmail.com (alexandros mouzakidis)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 14:26:45 +0300
Subject: [casual_games] casual game publishers
Message-ID: <b890d3fb0910040426p3695a8b1u58009ad7d5009927@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, can someone explain to me th basics about the casual game marketing
rules??
I have build my first game and i have some j2me games, what are the best
ways to sell my products?

-- 
Game Development blog
http://only-video-games.blogspot.com/
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From Lennard at RustyAxe.com  Sun Oct  4 13:06:07 2009
From: Lennard at RustyAxe.com (Lennard Feddersen)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 10:06:07 -0700
Subject: [casual_games] casual game publishers
In-Reply-To: <b890d3fb0910040426p3695a8b1u58009ad7d5009927@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b890d3fb0910040426p3695a8b1u58009ad7d5009927@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC8D5FF.9060807@RustyAxe.com>

I feel naive for asking but how did you go about licensing Ironman?

Lennard Feddersen
www.RustyAxe.com



alexandros mouzakidis wrote:
> Hi, can someone explain to me th basics about the casual game 
> marketing rules??
> I have build my first game and i have some j2me games, what are the 
> best ways to sell my products?
>
> -- 
> Game Development blog
> http://only-video-games.blogspot.com/
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From greatalexandros at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 13:59:45 2009
From: greatalexandros at gmail.com (alexandros mouzakidis)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:59:45 +0300
Subject: [casual_games] casual game publishers
In-Reply-To: <4AC8D5FF.9060807@RustyAxe.com>
References: <b890d3fb0910040426p3695a8b1u58009ad7d5009927@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC8D5FF.9060807@RustyAxe.com>
Message-ID: <b890d3fb0910041059y8649f3eh300bfc43d23c6f41@mail.gmail.com>

hah
it is not my game, it is just an iframe embeded html from the original
source
just see the html code of the blog entry

But please can you give me some tips about my question??
thanks in advance
Alexandros

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Lennard Feddersen <Lennard at rustyaxe.com>wrote:

> I feel naive for asking but how did you go about licensing Ironman?
>
> Lennard Feddersen
> www.RustyAxe.com
>
>
>
> alexandros mouzakidis wrote:
>
>> Hi, can someone explain to me th basics about the casual game marketing
>> rules??
>> I have build my first game and i have some j2me games, what are the best
>> ways to sell my products?
>>
>> --
>> Game Development blog
>> http://only-video-games.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Casual_Games mailing list
>> Casual_Games at igda.org
>> http://www.igda.org/casual-subscribe
>> Archive: http://www.igda.org/casual-subscribe
>> Archive Search:
>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=010373383720242846960%3Az3tdwggxil8
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>>
>>
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From Lennard at RustyAxe.com  Sun Oct  4 22:05:50 2009
From: Lennard at RustyAxe.com (Lennard Feddersen)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:05:50 -0700
Subject: [casual_games] casual game publishers
In-Reply-To: <b890d3fb0910041059y8649f3eh300bfc43d23c6f41@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b890d3fb0910040426p3695a8b1u58009ad7d5009927@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC8D5FF.9060807@RustyAxe.com>
	<b890d3fb0910041059y8649f3eh300bfc43d23c6f41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC9547E.4050008@RustyAxe.com>

Can you provide a link to the game you did write?

Lennard Feddersen
CEO, Rusty Axe Games, Inc.
www.RustyAxe.com

Lennard at RustyAxe.com
P. 250-635-7623 F. 1-309-422-2466
P. July & August 518-863-2317
5014 Walsh, Terrace, BC, Canada, V8G-4H2



alexandros mouzakidis wrote:
> hah
> it is not my game, it is just an iframe embeded html from the original 
> source
> just see the html code of the blog entry
>
> But please can you give me some tips about my question??
> thanks in advance
> Alexandros
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Lennard Feddersen 
> <Lennard at rustyaxe.com <mailto:Lennard at rustyaxe.com>> wrote:
>
>     I feel naive for asking but how did you go about licensing Ironman?
>
>     Lennard Feddersen
>     www.RustyAxe.com <http://www.RustyAxe.com>
>
>
>
>     alexandros mouzakidis wrote:
>
>         Hi, can someone explain to me th basics about the casual game
>         marketing rules??
>         I have build my first game and i have some j2me games, what
>         are the best ways to sell my products?
>
>         -- 
>         Game Development blog
>         http://only-video-games.blogspot.com/
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>
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From derrick at flowplay.com  Sat Oct 10 19:02:52 2009
From: derrick at flowplay.com (Derrick Morton)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:02:52 -0700
Subject: [casual_games] China GDC Day Trip?
Message-ID: <8a0408c50910101602u5efaf7b3t23a4b05ef5f8a651@mail.gmail.com>

I'm in Shanghai for China GDC looking for people to hang with! Anyone that's
interested in going to Hangzhou for the day (Sunday). Send me an email! It's
a nice little town with lakes and fresh grown teas about a 90 minute bus
ride from Shanghai.


-- 
Derrick Morton
CEO, FlowPlay
Creators of ourWorld.com -- Make it Yours!
877-FLOWPLAY Toll Free
206-953-8253 Mobile
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From jesper at soupgames.net  Mon Oct 26 12:16:15 2009
From: jesper at soupgames.net (Jesper Juul)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:16:15 -0400
Subject: [casual_games] New book on casual games: A Casual Revolution
Message-ID: <7b3b2fec0910260916r551c2fcay33c71c07f64b4f7c@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Casual Games Mailing List



Here is the announcement of my just-released book, *A Casual Revolution*.



It's, well, a full book about casual games (understood here in a broad sense
to include the Wii and recent music games).


I want to thank the casual games list for providing inspiration in general,
and thank the people on the list that I have interviewed.



The book includes interviews with players, results of a survey from the
Gamezebo website and interviews with casual game developers. I hope it can
be of use to everybody!


*


I am writing to let you know that my new book, A Casual Revolution:
Reinventing Video Games and Their
Players<http://www.jesperjuul.net/casualrevolution/>has just been
published by MIT Press.

[image: casualrevolution_153.jpg]

*A Casual Revolution* is my take on what is happening with video games right
now:

   - Why is the Nintendo Wii more successful than the Xbox 360 and the
   PlayStation 3?
   - Why is the audience for video games expanding?
   - Who plays *Bejeweled*, and why?
   - What is a casual player? What is casual game design?
   - Are casual games a return to the arcade game, or are they something
   new?
   - How did Solitaire become one of the most popular video games?
   - What is the secret behind the success of *Guitar Hero* and *Rock Band*?
   - Why is Parcheesi/Ludo a social game? Why is *Animal Crossing*?
   - Does the rise of casual games mean the downfall of hardcore games?
   - ? and more.


*A Casual Revolution* is a 256-page book about what is important: The joy of
the casual video games that we play during a work break, on phones, with the
family, or with friends at a late-night party.

The book includes 100 illustrations as well as interviews with game players
and developers.


Get *A Casual Revolution* from your neighborhood bookstore or from your
favorite online retailer.

The book's companion website is: http://www.jesperjuul.net/casualrevolution/

The official MIT Press page:
http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=11844


Thanks to everybody who made this book possible!


Jesper Juul
http://www.jesperjuul.net


New York University Game Center
http://gamecenter.nyu.edu
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From helloandrea at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 12:41:53 2009
From: helloandrea at gmail.com (Andrea Lewis)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:41:53 +0000
Subject: [casual_games] Girls/women and casual games - a psychological study
	TBD.... input? ideas?
Message-ID: <de8e3d5a0910290941g615ab235if93a882ef9d55627@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all -

First, I did check the archives before  making this post and decided that it
would be worthwhile to poll opinion.

I am currently pursuing an MSc in CyberPsychology in the UK and would like
to do my thesis research on women and gaming, specifically casual gaming.
My main issue/problem is that I have yet to carve out a clear research
question... however, I know the issues that have led me to this topic and so
I thought I would share and see if others might have opinion or insight that
would help me to get closer to my topic...

1) I am tired of hearing that women/girls dont play video games
2) I am bothered that when I do hear discussions that acknowledge that women
play casual games, the next sentence often dismisses casual games as "not
real games"
3) I dont think that women only play "fluffy cute" games and are opposed to
killing, shooting, competitive games
4) I am curious about the biological differences in men and women that may
make one gender more inclined to a certain type of socialization, but I
think everyone is unique
5) I would like to uncover something profound about women and gaming culture
6) I would like to approach casual games and casual game play with a
seriousness that may have been overlooked in the past
7) I am interested in in-depth interviews with female gamers  as well as
with uncovering broader statistics
8) I am very interested in women and game addiction and how it might differ
from male game addiction (the predominant population currently studied).
9) While my access may be limited, I am definitely interested in
cross-cultural and cross-generational aspects of female gamers
10) I think casual games kick ass.

So far, that is my personal hot list of why I want to explore this area.  If
it sparks something in you and you are moved to reply, comment, argue,
dismiss... by all means please do so -- whether here publicly or privately
to me...   Also, if you have come across research, articles, books, please
share as I am amassing an enormous list of resources.

Thank you,
Andrea

ps - I am a digital media project manager and recruiter, lived in NYC
and worked in the media industry for 10+ years before returning for my
masters... Now living in the UK, just ran into some old friends at
www.gamecity.org... and, among other things, games are a passion but I am by
no means a "gamer" - I am a bit more interested in the business and culture
of games.  I also focus on women as a population because, well, I am one.
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From reng at gametableonline.com  Thu Oct 29 14:05:14 2009
From: reng at gametableonline.com (Robert Eng)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:05:14 -0400
Subject: [casual_games] Girls/women and casual games - a psychological
	study	TBD.... input? ideas?
In-Reply-To: <de8e3d5a0910290941g615ab235if93a882ef9d55627@mail.gmail.com>
References: <de8e3d5a0910290941g615ab235if93a882ef9d55627@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <025501ca58c2$60b69a80$2223cf80$@com>

You might want to look for psychological material on women and games in
general, not specifically video games. While less exciting and contemporary,
board games have been around longer so there might be more material. 

 

Robert Eng

Vice-President Operations

www.GameTableOnline.com

www.metagame.biz

413-303-0437

 

From: casual_games-bounces at igda.org [mailto:casual_games-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Andrea Lewis
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:42 PM
To: IGDA Casual Games SIG Mailing List
Subject: [casual_games] Girls/women and casual games - a psychological study
TBD.... input? ideas?

 

Hi all -

 

First, I did check the archives before  making this post and decided that it
would be worthwhile to poll opinion.

 

I am currently pursuing an MSc in CyberPsychology in the UK and would like
to do my thesis research on women and gaming, specifically casual gaming.
My main issue/problem is that I have yet to carve out a clear research
question... however, I know the issues that have led me to this topic and so
I thought I would share and see if others might have opinion or insight that
would help me to get closer to my topic...

 

1) I am tired of hearing that women/girls dont play video games

2) I am bothered that when I do hear discussions that acknowledge that women
play casual games, the next sentence often dismisses casual games as "not
real games"

3) I dont think that women only play "fluffy cute" games and are opposed to
killing, shooting, competitive games

4) I am curious about the biological differences in men and women that may
make one gender more inclined to a certain type of socialization, but I
think everyone is unique

5) I would like to uncover something profound about women and gaming culture

6) I would like to approach casual games and casual game play with a
seriousness that may have been overlooked in the past

7) I am interested in in-depth interviews with female gamers  as well as
with uncovering broader statistics

8) I am very interested in women and game addiction and how it might differ
from male game addiction (the predominant population currently studied).

9) While my access may be limited, I am definitely interested in
cross-cultural and cross-generational aspects of female gamers

10) I think casual games kick ass.

 

So far, that is my personal hot list of why I want to explore this area.  If
it sparks something in you and you are moved to reply, comment, argue,
dismiss... by all means please do so -- whether here publicly or privately
to me...   Also, if you have come across research, articles, books, please
share as I am amassing an enormous list of resources.

 

Thank you,

Andrea

 

ps - I am a digital media project manager and recruiter, lived in NYC and
worked in the media industry for 10+ years before returning for my
masters... Now living in the UK, just ran into some old friends at
www.gamecity.org <http://www.gamecity.org/> ... and, among other things,
games are a passion but I am by no means a "gamer" - I am a bit more
interested in the business and culture of games.  I also focus on women as a
population because, well, I am one.

 

 

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From hal at finitearts.com  Thu Oct 29 17:54:03 2009
From: hal at finitearts.com (Hal Barwood)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:54:03 -0700
Subject: [casual_games] Girls/women and casual games - a psychological
 study	TBD.... input? ideas?
In-Reply-To: <de8e3d5a0910290941g615ab235if93a882ef9d55627@mail.gmail.com>
References: <de8e3d5a0910290941g615ab235if93a882ef9d55627@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AEA0EFB.8050502@finitearts.com>

Hello, Andrea:

What an interesting project.  Among the many avenues you might try is 
contacting Nicole Lazzaro, who has done some work in this area.  For 
starters, take a look at her web site, xeodesign.com.

She notes that male and female psyches overlap more than they differ, an 
encouraging thought to all, methinks.

I would also get some numbers from Zynga, Playdom, et al., on the simply 
astonishing popularity of social games with a Tamagotchi hook, like 
Farmville -- 60 million plus players!  And, of course, women are bulking 
up that total, as with most casual/social games.

You might also want to investigate the huge fraction of slot machine 
gamblers that are women.  Check out Gary Rivlin's Tom Wolf-like article 
in the NY Times magazine in the 9 May 04 issue:  "The Chrome-Shiny, 
Lights-Flashing, Wheel-Spinning, Touch-Screened, 
Drew-Carey-Wisecracking, Video-Playing, 'Sound Events'-Packed, 
Pulse-Quickening Bandit."

I have been scratching my head for a while now trying to figure out why 
I never, ever, want to play Diner Dash (too quotidian, too much like 
work, too much like an assignment), and why many women feel just the 
opposite, and wouldn't go near a fantasy sci-fi adventure challenge. 
Let us know if you find out.

Cheers,

Hal




Andrea Lewis wrote:
> Hi all -
>  
> First, I did check the archives before  making this post and decided 
> that it would be worthwhile to poll opinion.
>  
> I am currently pursuing an MSc in CyberPsychology in the UK and would 
> like to do my thesis research on women and gaming, specifically casual 
> gaming.   My main issue/problem is that I have yet to carve out a clear 
> research question... however, I know the issues that have led me to this 
> topic and so I thought I would share and see if others might have 
> opinion or insight that would help me to get closer to my topic...
>  
> 1) I am tired of hearing that women/girls dont play video games
> 2) I am bothered that when I do hear discussions that acknowledge that 
> women play casual games, the next sentence often dismisses casual games 
> as "not real games"
> 3) I dont think that women only play "fluffy cute" games and are opposed 
> to killing, shooting, competitive games
> 4) I am curious about the biological differences in men and women that 
> may make one gender more inclined to a certain type of socialization, 
> but I think everyone is unique
> 5) I would like to uncover something profound about women and gaming culture
> 6) I would like to approach casual games and casual game play with a 
> seriousness that may have been overlooked in the past
> 7) I am interested in in-depth interviews with female gamers  as well as 
> with uncovering broader statistics
> 8) I am very interested in women and game addiction and how it might 
> differ from male game addiction (the predominant population currently 
> studied).
> 9) While my access may be limited, I am definitely interested in 
> cross-cultural and cross-generational aspects of female gamers
> 10) I think casual games kick ass.
>  
> So far, that is my personal hot list of why I want to explore this 
> area.  If it sparks something in you and you are moved to reply, 
> comment, argue, dismiss... by all means please do so -- whether here 
> publicly or privately to me...   Also, if you have come across research, 
> articles, books, please share as I am amassing an enormous list of 
> resources.
>  
> Thank you,
> Andrea
>  
> ps - I am a digital media project manager and recruiter, lived in NYC 
> and worked in the media industry for 10+ years before returning for my 
> masters... Now living in the UK, just ran into some old friends at 
> www.gamecity.org <http://www.gamecity.org/>... and, among other things, 
> games are a passion but I am by no means a "gamer" - I am a bit more 
> interested in the business and culture of games.  I also focus on women 
> as a population because, well, I am one.
>  
>  
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Casual_Games mailing list
> Casual_Games at igda.org
> http://www.igda.org/casual-subscribe
> Archive: http://www.igda.org/casual-subscribe
> Archive Search: http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=010373383720242846960%3Az3tdwggxil8
> List FAQ: http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/Casual_Games_SIG/Casual_Games_List_FAQ



From d.utian at unsw.edu.au  Thu Oct 29 19:56:56 2009
From: d.utian at unsw.edu.au (Dean Utian)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:56:56 +1100
Subject: [casual_games] Girls/women and casual games - a psychological
 study	TBD.... input? ideas?
In-Reply-To: <de8e3d5a0910290941g615ab235if93a882ef9d55627@mail.gmail.com>
References: <de8e3d5a0910290941g615ab235if93a882ef9d55627@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47BE5C4BED19C24BA2224372DA4684BA4245EE6B72@INFPWEC001.ad.unsw.edu.au>

Hi Andrea,

You'll probably be interested in the following survey:
Interactive Australia 2007 : facts about the Australian computer and video game industry
http://works.bepress.com/jeff_brand/12/

It provides data on who is playing games and their attittudes and behaviors. It is Australian focussed but would expect it to be similar to a US audience.

In the PDF of the survey, there is a section called 'Women and Games', which has lots of data that proves women are interested in games. It compares the games that males  and females like. It does indicate that first person shooter and sports games are still more popular in the male market than female.

Good luck with your research.

Dean
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From paul_steven at btinternet.com  Fri Oct 30 03:33:00 2009
From: paul_steven at btinternet.com (Paul Steven)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:33:00 -0000
Subject: [casual_games] HTML5 as a games medium
In-Reply-To: <47BE5C4BED19C24BA2224372DA4684BA4245EE6B72@INFPWEC001.ad.unsw.edu.au>
References: <de8e3d5a0910290941g615ab235if93a882ef9d55627@mail.gmail.com>
	<47BE5C4BED19C24BA2224372DA4684BA4245EE6B72@INFPWEC001.ad.unsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <005d01ca5933$35b99780$a12cc680$@com>

I just read about html5 for the first time and wondered what implications
this has for the casual games market. I found some reasonable examples here

 

http://www.canvasdemos.com/tag/games/

 

 

Cheers

 

Paul

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From miguelportilla at pobros.com  Fri Oct 30 08:38:46 2009
From: miguelportilla at pobros.com (Miguel Portilla)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:38:46 -0400
Subject: [casual_games] HTML5 as a games medium
In-Reply-To: <005d01ca5933$35b99780$a12cc680$@com>
References: <de8e3d5a0910290941g615ab235if93a882ef9d55627@mail.gmail.com>	<47BE5C4BED19C24BA2224372DA4684BA4245EE6B72@INFPWEC001.ad.unsw.edu.au>
	<005d01ca5933$35b99780$a12cc680$@com>
Message-ID: <4AEADE56.1080503@pobros.com>

Looks promising. I am left wondering how a developer would protect their 
source code and assets considering they seem to be completely 
unprotected ( view page source within browser ).

-Miguel

Paul Steven wrote:
>
> I just read about html5 for the first time and wondered what 
> implications this has for the casual games market. I found some 
> reasonable examples here
>
>  
>
> http://www.canvasdemos.com/tag/games/
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> Cheers
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> Paul
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From andrea.fryer at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 13:12:23 2009
From: andrea.fryer at gmail.com (Andrea Fryer)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:12:23 +0200
Subject: [casual_games] HTML5 as a games medium
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As a former web designer and as someone who has however always wanted to
make their own games (if for nothing more than her kids) and as a person who
knew HTML and CSS but just didn't know any of the programming languages,
this looks exciting!
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From aaron at tandemgames.com  Sat Oct 31 13:21:02 2009
From: aaron at tandemgames.com (Aaron Murray)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:21:02 -0500
Subject: [casual_games] HTML5 as a games medium
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You won't be able to easily protect the source - it is the same problem that
current javascript/html programmers face. You can obfuscate the code, but it
is still there. For these games to be more secure for the developers, there
needs to be some sort of server-side component to the game (game logic,
database, etc). That way only the "client" portion of the code gets into the
enemies' hands.

-Aaron

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Miguel Portilla
<miguelportilla at pobros.com>wrote:

>  Looks promising. I am left wondering how a developer would protect their
> source code and assets considering they seem to be completely unprotected (
> view page source within browser ).
>
> -Miguel
>
>  Paul Steven wrote:
>
>  I just read about html5 for the first time and wondered what implications
> this has for the casual games market. I found some reasonable examples here
>
>
>
> http://www.canvasdemos.com/tag/games/
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Paul
>
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From brent at def-logic.com  Sat Oct 31 14:30:00 2009
From: brent at def-logic.com (Brent Silby)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 07:30:00 +1300
Subject: [casual_games] HTML5 as a games medium
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I've been making games in dhtml for years (see www.def-logic.com), and they
are popular. But the comments re: protecting source are quite correct. The
most you can do is obfusticate the code. They are also difficult to license,
since people prefer a single swf that can be integrated into their sites.
I've recently converted all my dhtml games to Flash. Visibly there is no
difference, but the swf files are easier to distribute.

Cheeers
BRENT SILBY



On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Andrea Fryer <andrea.fryer at gmail.com> wrote:

> As a former web designer and as someone who has however always wanted to
> make their own games (if for nothing more than her kids) and as a person who
> knew HTML and CSS but just didn't know any of the programming languages,
> this looks exciting!
>
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