From hinn at uiuc.edu Sun Apr 3 21:26:14 2005 From: hinn at uiuc.edu (michelle hinn) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 20:26:14 -0500 Subject: [games_access] GA SIG -- No Meeting Tomorrow (Monday) In-Reply-To: <200503272336.j2RNa74I021290@relay3.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <20050404012420.DEA0357068@seven.pairlist.net> Hi GA SIG folks -- there will be no meeting tomorrow (Monday). The next online meeting will be held on Monday, April 11th (12noon - US Eastern Standard Time). Thanks and I hope to see you all online then! Michelle From rkimball at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 00:22:04 2005 From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 00:22:04 -0400 Subject: [games_access] Closed captioning survey, new info, request for contacts In-Reply-To: <20050404012420.DEA0357068@seven.pairlist.net> References: <200503272336.j2RNa74I021290@relay3.cso.uiuc.edu> <20050404012420.DEA0357068@seven.pairlist.net> Message-ID: Several issues I want to touch on... I've gotten my hands on some survey software for websites. Pretty soon I'll generate a list of survey questions, forward to the group for feedback and create the online web survey based on final comments. Hopefully, this could be used to gather really important data on closed captioning or other areas of game accessibility issues. I've been posting a bit on the deafgamers.com website and someone mentioned that console manufacturers have TCRs/TRCs as a check list of what must be included in the game from the developers before the game is shipped. What if we could convince MS, Nintendo and Sony to included closed captioning or other accessibility options onto their TCRs, etc for the next gen consoles? I've always wondered if consoles are able to take advantage of current captioning capabilities on TVs via line 21 of the video signal. Captions on TV are encoded on that line and when the TV has captions enabled, it decodes the information on line 21 and displays the text. To me, it seems that in theory it should work for console games. HOWEVER, apparently console manufacturers forbid developers from using line 21 of the video signal. Why? I don't know and we should find out. Does anyone have contacts at MS, Sony, Nintendo so we can ask them? I think it's pretty absurd they don't allow developers to use line 21 of the video signal. -Reid From hinn at uiuc.edu Mon Apr 11 22:32:19 2005 From: hinn at uiuc.edu (michelle hinn) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:32:19 -0500 Subject: [games_access] Closed captioning survey, new info, request for contacts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050412023431.654D357182@seven.pairlist.net> Hi Reid, I'm fighting with a bout of pneumonia right now -- sorry about the delay. The survey idea sounds good -- looking forward to seeing it! With regard to Microsoft, I do have people that I can contact about line 21. I'll send off an email to them to see what ideas they have. I think that what we're learning is that the policies often come from concerns about something altogether different and that publishers, etc don't realize that they are preventing a route to accessibility. Like I said, I can see what I can find out. I think that I might also be able to find a contact for Sony and with some digging we could probably get to someone from Nintendo. But I'll start with Microsoft first since I have personal connections there who might be able to help us out. Michelle -----Original Message----- From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf Of Reid Kimball Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:22 PM To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List Subject: [games_access] Closed captioning survey, new info,request for contacts Several issues I want to touch on... I've gotten my hands on some survey software for websites. Pretty soon I'll generate a list of survey questions, forward to the group for feedback and create the online web survey based on final comments. Hopefully, this could be used to gather really important data on closed captioning or other areas of game accessibility issues. I've been posting a bit on the deafgamers.com website and someone mentioned that console manufacturers have TCRs/TRCs as a check list of what must be included in the game from the developers before the game is shipped. What if we could convince MS, Nintendo and Sony to included closed captioning or other accessibility options onto their TCRs, etc for the next gen consoles? I've always wondered if consoles are able to take advantage of current captioning capabilities on TVs via line 21 of the video signal. Captions on TV are encoded on that line and when the TV has captions enabled, it decodes the information on line 21 and displays the text. To me, it seems that in theory it should work for console games. HOWEVER, apparently console manufacturers forbid developers from using line 21 of the video signal. Why? I don't know and we should find out. Does anyone have contacts at MS, Sony, Nintendo so we can ask them? I think it's pretty absurd they don't allow developers to use line 21 of the video signal. -Reid _______________________________________________ games_access mailing list games_access at igda.org http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access From hinn at uiuc.edu Fri Apr 15 18:15:05 2005 From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:15:05 -0500 Subject: [games_access] GA-SIG Blog and Wiki Message-ID: Hi everyone, The GA-SIG is working a new look for our website (http://www.igda.org/accessibility/). Thanks to Jason of the IGDA, we have a blog-based website. This means that updates will be easier to make and the site will be easier to maintain overall. I'll continue to pretty up the site over the next few weeks (adding some graphics, etc). If you are a current member of the SIG, please check the SIG members page and make sure your name is on the "current members" list. If it's not, send me an email to hinn at uiuc.edu and I'll get it onto the list. Another new thing is the GA-SIG wiki, which is linked from the GA-SIG webpage. The IGDA has a wiki now and we have a part of it for ourselves! I've added a few resources but it's just a start. Help us grow our wiki by adding your own resources! To add to the wiki, you must register with the IGDA for a free account (http://www.igda.org/join/) -- you can also take the time to renew your memberships from this page too. :) Comments? Questions? Additions? Let me know! Thanks, Michelle From rkimball at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 23:11:40 2005 From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:11:40 -0400 Subject: [games_access] GA-SIG Blog and Wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is awesome stuff! I already added some links and pages to it. http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/Game_Accessibility_SIG I noticed that after I created the [[Projects]] and [[Articles]] links/pages, that if another SIG using the wiki wants to create a page with the same name, that it will probably link to what I already created. Do you think we should prefix our pages with GA_name_of_page, so instead of linking to [[Articles]], I would link to [[GA_Articles]]? -Reid On 4/15/05, hinn at uiuc.edu wrote: > Hi everyone, > > The GA-SIG is working a new look for our website > (http://www.igda.org/accessibility/). Thanks to Jason of the > IGDA, we have a blog-based website. This means that updates > will be easier to make and the site will be easier to > maintain overall. I'll continue to pretty up the site over > the next few weeks (adding some graphics, etc). If you are a > current member of the SIG, please check the SIG members page > and make sure your name is on the "current members" list. If > it's not, send me an email to hinn at uiuc.edu and I'll get it > onto the list. > > Another new thing is the GA-SIG wiki, which is linked from > the GA-SIG webpage. The IGDA has a wiki now and we have a > part of it for ourselves! I've added a few resources but > it's just a start. Help us grow our wiki by adding your own > resources! To add to the wiki, you must register with the > IGDA for a free account (http://www.igda.org/join/) -- you > can also take the time to renew your memberships from this > page too. :) > > Comments? Questions? Additions? Let me know! > > Thanks, > Michelle > _______________________________________________ > games_access mailing list > games_access at igda.org > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access > From hinn at uiuc.edu Fri Apr 15 23:25:02 2005 From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:25:02 -0500 Subject: [games_access] GA-SIG Blog and Wiki Message-ID: <4beffc8a.edb41eb8.81b2700@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu> Hey Reid, awesome! Thanks for adding more stuff to the site! Yeah I'm really excited about it -- hopefully this will be a great dynamic resource for the entire community to keep growing! MUCH better than just a set of stale links. >Do you think we should prefix our pages with GA_name_of_page, so >instead of linking to [[Articles]], I would link to [[GA_Articles]]? hmm...yeah, that sounds like a good way to go! I'll also add the GA-SIG publications to the Articles page to the Publications page. This is FUN! :) Michelle From hinn at uiuc.edu Sun Apr 17 22:45:08 2005 From: hinn at uiuc.edu (michelle hinn) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:45:08 -0500 Subject: [games_access] GA SIG -- No Meeting Tomorrow (Monday) In-Reply-To: <200504040124.j341OJX0026452@relay3.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <20050418024517.D50E75711C@seven.pairlist.net> Hi all, I have a few conflicts tomorrow morning that creeped up starting yesterday (including a few lab tests) and I won't be able to meet tomorrow. I'd like to formally schedule the next meeting, though, for Monday, 25 April at 12noon (EST)/9am (PST). If anyone has something that they'd like to add to the agenda for that meeting, please let me know via email (hinn at uiuc.edu) IMPORTANT (how to get to the meeting): If you aren't already on MSN Messenger, please sign up for an account as soon as possible. Then add me, vrgrrl at hotmail.com (that's right, vrgrrl -- and it's not an email address that I use so please don't send email there), to your contacts list. I'll make sure that you are added to the conference room when I see you online right before the meeting. Email me at hinn at uiuc.edu if you have any problems. See you then! And add to the wiki on our homepage! Michelle IGDA Game Accessibility Committee Chair From jason at igda.org Mon Apr 18 08:09:32 2005 From: jason at igda.org (Jason Della Rocca) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:09:32 -0400 Subject: [games_access] GA-SIG Blog and Wiki In-Reply-To: <4beffc8a.edb41eb8.81b2700@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu> References: <4beffc8a.edb41eb8.81b2700@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050418080835.02606840@mail.igda.org> > >Do you think we should prefix our pages with GA_name_of_page, so Ya, that would be smart... Also, FYI, the blog can support multiple "authors". So, Michelle, just let me know if others should/want access to the blog... Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jason Della Rocca Executive Director International Game Developers Association t: +1-514-426-1162 f: +1-514-426-1201 Montreal, Canada ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.igda.org/ http://www.realitypanic.com/ "Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda From hinn at uiuc.edu Mon Apr 18 15:09:22 2005 From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:09:22 -0500 Subject: [games_access] GA-SIG Blog and Wiki Message-ID: >> >Do you think we should prefix our pages with GA_name_of_page, so > >Ya, that would be smart... Already changed. :) >Also, FYI, the blog can support multiple "authors". So, Michelle, just let >me know if others should/want access to the blog... Great! I'll take a poll at the SIG business meeting next Monday and let you know. Michelle From rkimball at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 14:24:33 2005 From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:24:33 -0500 Subject: [games_access] GA-SIG Blog and Wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey all, I created a page on the IGDA wiki that could be used for a database that catalogues which videogames are captioned or not and how well they are captioned. You can find a test version of it below: http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/Closed_Captioned_Videogames_Database I'm not sure which format should be used, so feedback is welcome. Also, I probably should create a page that lists the games in alphabetical order and links to a more in depth page, like the one linked above. Any comments or suggestions at all about how to organize this type of data are welcome. Do you think this is something that could be useful on the IGDA wiki or should I create another separate website for it? I was even thinking of registering a new domain, http://ccgames.info or something... -Reid On 4/15/05, hinn at uiuc.edu wrote: > Hi everyone, > > The GA-SIG is working a new look for our website > (http://www.igda.org/accessibility/). Thanks to Jason of the > IGDA, we have a blog-based website. This means that updates > will be easier to make and the site will be easier to > maintain overall. I'll continue to pretty up the site over > the next few weeks (adding some graphics, etc). If you are a > current member of the SIG, please check the SIG members page > and make sure your name is on the "current members" list. If > it's not, send me an email to hinn at uiuc.edu and I'll get it > onto the list. > > Another new thing is the GA-SIG wiki, which is linked from > the GA-SIG webpage. The IGDA has a wiki now and we have a > part of it for ourselves! I've added a few resources but > it's just a start. Help us grow our wiki by adding your own > resources! To add to the wiki, you must register with the > IGDA for a free account (http://www.igda.org/join/) -- you > can also take the time to renew your memberships from this > page too. :) > > Comments? Questions? Additions? Let me know! > > Thanks, > Michelle > _______________________________________________ > games_access mailing list > games_access at igda.org > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access > From hinn at uiuc.edu Tue Apr 19 16:26:41 2005 From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:26:41 -0500 Subject: [games_access] GA-SIG Blog and Wiki Message-ID: Hi Reid, I just took a brief glance at it (running around late for everything today!). I like the idea of the SIG Wiki hosting something like this and I think that we could really set the tone for other additions like how accessible mainstream games are for the visually impaired, mobility impaired, etc as well as how accessible certain console controllers are, etc. I agree that having one main page that lists the games in alphabetical order (and perhaps someday by console if we can get the channel 21 issue resolved) and then having them link to separate wiki pages that are more in depth makes sense. Michelle ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:24:33 -0500 >From: Reid Kimball >Subject: Re: [games_access] GA-SIG Blog and Wiki >To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List > >Hey all, > >I created a page on the IGDA wiki that could be used for a database >that catalogues which videogames are captioned or not and how well >they are captioned. You can find a test version of it below: >http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/Closed_Captioned_Videogam es_Database > >I'm not sure which format should be used, so feedback is welcome. >Also, I probably should create a page that lists the games in >alphabetical order and links to a more in depth page, like the one >linked above. > >Any comments or suggestions at all about how to organize this type of >data are welcome. Do you think this is something that could be useful >on the IGDA wiki or should I create another separate website for it? I >was even thinking of registering a new domain, http://ccgames.info or >something... > >-Reid > >On 4/15/05, hinn at uiuc.edu wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> The GA-SIG is working a new look for our website >> (http://www.igda.org/accessibility/). Thanks to Jason of the >> IGDA, we have a blog-based website. This means that updates >> will be easier to make and the site will be easier to >> maintain overall. I'll continue to pretty up the site over >> the next few weeks (adding some graphics, etc). If you are a >> current member of the SIG, please check the SIG members page >> and make sure your name is on the "current members" list. If >> it's not, send me an email to hinn at uiuc.edu and I'll get it >> onto the list. >> >> Another new thing is the GA-SIG wiki, which is linked from >> the GA-SIG webpage. The IGDA has a wiki now and we have a >> part of it for ourselves! I've added a few resources but >> it's just a start. Help us grow our wiki by adding your own >> resources! To add to the wiki, you must register with the >> IGDA for a free account (http://www.igda.org/join/) -- you >> can also take the time to renew your memberships from this >> page too. :) >> >> Comments? Questions? Additions? Let me know! >> >> Thanks, >> Michelle >> _______________________________________________ >> games_access mailing list >> games_access at igda.org >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access >> >_______________________________________________ >games_access mailing list >games_access at igda.org >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access From hinn at uiuc.edu Tue Apr 19 19:28:36 2005 From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:28:36 -0500 Subject: [games_access] E3 2005 Message-ID: <751f2f42.efadcd30.8676900@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu> Hi everyone, If anyone on the list is planning on attending E3 this year...let me know! i'm hoping to arrange a gathering of some sort. Hope to meet up with some of you there! Michelle From thomas at pininteractive.com Wed Apr 20 12:02:48 2005 From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:02:48 +0200 Subject: [games_access] GA-SIG Blog and Wiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Reid Kimball on den 19 april 2005 at 20:24 +0100 wrote: >I'm not sure which format should be used, so feedback is welcome. >Also, I probably should create a page that lists the games in >alphabetical order and links to a more in depth page, like the one >linked above. Great Reid, I'd vote for format02 > >Any comments or suggestions at all about how to organize this type of >data are welcome. Do you think this is something that could be useful >on the IGDA wiki or should I create another separate website for it? I >was even thinking of registering a new domain, http://ccgames.info or >something... I think it is good if we can collect as much as possible at the IGDA Wiki; the more, well-structured content we have, the more readers and attention do we get Kind regards Thomas Pin Interactive AB www.pininteractive.com MSN ID: thomas at pininteractive.com Skype ID: thomaswestin Time zone: CET (GMT+1, PST+9) ____________________________________________________ Award Winning 3D Game for Blind and Sighted: www.terraformers.nu IGDA Game Accessibility SIG www.igda.org/accessibility/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: