From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Nov 10 14:02:24 2005
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:02:24 -0600
Subject: [games_access] SIG meeting THIS Monday, Nov 14th at 12noon/12:00
 New York Time
Message-ID: <80b1e31d.5926ee06.fdf7800@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

Hi everyone!

So the next SIG meeting is this Monday (Nov 14th) at 12:00pm 
New York Time on MSN Messenger.

Things for discussion include:

* The top ten list
* GDC 2006 Tutorial
* Reid's Survey
* Book update

If you'd like to join in and you haven't been to a meeting 
before, email me at hinn at uiuc.edu and I'll let you know how 
to join the meeting.

Thanks!
Michelle
Chair, IGDA Game Accessibility SIG


From rkimball at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 01:27:49 2005
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:27:49 -0600
Subject: [games_access] SIG meeting THIS Monday,
	Nov 14th at 12noon/12:00 New York Time
In-Reply-To: <80b1e31d.5926ee06.fdf7800@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>
References: <80b1e31d.5926ee06.fdf7800@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0511132227q71ad5833kf7e65732bbac2a4c@mail.gmail.com>

No idea if I can make it. I'm working insane hours, all weekend, still
at work and it's 12:30am Monday.

-Reid

On 11/10/05, hinn at uiuc.edu <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> Hi everyone!
>
> So the next SIG meeting is this Monday (Nov 14th) at 12:00pm
> New York Time on MSN Messenger.
>
> Things for discussion include:
>
> * The top ten list
> * GDC 2006 Tutorial
> * Reid's Survey
> * Book update
>
> If you'd like to join in and you haven't been to a meeting
> before, email me at hinn at uiuc.edu and I'll let you know how
> to join the meeting.
>
> Thanks!
> Michelle
> Chair, IGDA Game Accessibility SIG
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Mon Nov 14 01:37:22 2005
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:37:22 -0600
Subject: [games_access] SIG meeting THIS Monday,
	Nov 14th at 12noon/12:00 New York Time
Message-ID: <8f041803.5af20c64.1072f100@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

hey i hear ya. i'll be pretty exhausted myself at the 
meeting. i'm still at work too. :|

so if you aren't there, we'll talk about gdc plans versus 
the survey. no worries!

michelle

---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:27:49 -0600
>From: Reid Kimball <rkimball at gmail.com>  
>Subject: Re: [games_access] SIG meeting THIS Monday, Nov 
14th at 12noon/12:00 New York Time  
>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
<games_access at igda.org>
>
>No idea if I can make it. I'm working insane hours, all 
weekend, still
>at work and it's 12:30am Monday.
>
>-Reid
>
>On 11/10/05, hinn at uiuc.edu <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> So the next SIG meeting is this Monday (Nov 14th) at 
12:00pm
>> New York Time on MSN Messenger.
>>
>> Things for discussion include:
>>
>> * The top ten list
>> * GDC 2006 Tutorial
>> * Reid's Survey
>> * Book update
>>
>> If you'd like to join in and you haven't been to a meeting
>> before, email me at hinn at uiuc.edu and I'll let you know 
how
>> to join the meeting.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Michelle
>> Chair, IGDA Game Accessibility SIG
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access


From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Wed Nov 16 08:58:37 2005
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (Jonathan Chetwynd)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:58:37 +0000
Subject: [games_access] duel navigation? Please could all members voice
	their opinions?
Message-ID: <E8331E73-7412-49A9-BDEA-555A8C5AF745@btinternet.com>

Duel Navigation:

Please could all members voice their opinions:

Is it too restrictive to insist on there being only one element in  
focus at any time? even in a gaming situation?

Does anyone have experience of using dual controls to navigate(1)?
Where one set of controls is linear, the other planar?

Has someone has already come across something similar, though not  
necessarily identical,
and perhaps already analysed and resolved the issues likely to arise?



thanks again

Jonathan Chetwynd
Accessible Solutions
http://www.eas-i.co.uk

---

(1) keyboard tab and mouse offer alternative methods to navigate a  
web page or application.
Assuming that it is device independent and accessible.

However it hasn't been satisfactorily described what should happen  
when both are in use:
what will the window.status show as the destination URL? (2)

If there is to be a single focus, should the tab 'jump' to the  
current mouse event locus? and vice versa
Would changing mouse location might be more contentious?

If one had separate controls on a steering column in a car, this  
would be expected,
Even with a space-warp drive the expectation might be that jumping on  
a bicycle doesn't drop one back where one last used it....


(2) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316191
This relates to a bug I am proposing to the CDFWG http://www.w3.org/ 
2004/CDF/ :

(draft)
window.status & duel focus one example of a really fundamental  
philosophical
flaw:

Should there be only one element allowed to be in focus?

For instance if one tabs through a document and at the same time  
mouseover a
document
It will be normal that a click will deliver me to one URL, whereas an  
enter
will deliver me to another.

Device independence suggests that maybe this isn't such a good idea.
consider, what will the window.status show as the destination URL?
It can only be 'right' 50% of the time.

Unless one implements a 'last use' policy with a single focus.

---







From agdev at thechases.com  Wed Nov 16 09:20:18 2005
From: agdev at thechases.com (Tim Chase)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:20:18 -0600
Subject: [games_access] duel navigation? Please could all members voice
	their opinions?
In-Reply-To: <E8331E73-7412-49A9-BDEA-555A8C5AF745@btinternet.com>
References: <E8331E73-7412-49A9-BDEA-555A8C5AF745@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <437B4022.20607@thechases.com>

> Is it too restrictive to insist on there being only one
> element in focus at any time? even in a gaming situation?

I'd say it depends on the game.  I read just yesterday about a
game that was actually comprised of four seperate "simple" games
(pong and the like) that you had to manage all four at the same
time, jumping between windows.  Each game in and of itself may
not have been a captivatingly great game, but the game was in
managing all four at the same time.  For the most part, a single
item of *primary* focus is usually best.  However, in many games
you have asynchronous events that need to take place.  The player
should then be allowed to change focus accordingly.  e.g.

In a first-person-shooter (FPS) style audio game, you may have an
enemy in your reticule.  If a second enemy starts firing off to
your left, the player can discern that (1) it's only a minion
with a pop gun, so I'll take the time to finish off my targeted
enemy; or (2) gaak! it's a huge beast and of far greater concern
to me than the enemy currently targeted.

Part of gaming is to make those sort of valuation decisions.  So
there should only be one focus, but other items should be allowed
to take place and call for the players' focus.

> Does anyone have experience of using dual controls to
> navigate(1)? Where one set of controls is linear, the other
> planar?

Well, there's the old classic Robotron in which one portion of
the keyboard (the eight keys surrounding the "K" key) controlled
your movement and another portion (the eight keys surrounding the
"S" key") controlled the direction of your firing.  I must say I
found the game rather maddening.  But some folks like that sort
of thing.  It clearly requires dexterity, coordination, and the
use of both hands...not a sort of game for mobility-impared folks.

> However it hasn't been satisfactorily described what should
> happen  when both are in use: what will the window.status show
> as the destination URL? (2)

I'd say that the window.status should show the most recently
changed item.  If you tab-focus link #1, it should show that
target URL.  Then, if you move your mouse over link #2, it show
the URL for link #2.  If you move the mouse off of link #2, it
should revert to the URL for link #1 (with keyboard focus).
Whether you move the mouse off a link or not, if you tab-focus
again with the keyboard to link #3, the window.status should show
the URL for link #3.  This scenario can cause minor problems for
folks that use only the keyboard, if bumping the mouse happens to
trigger motion over the target link.  However, in such a case,
one could easily park the mouse in a corner of the screen to
prevent such problems.

> Should there be only one element allowed to be in focus?

Like with games, the user is indicating their desire to change
focus by using either the mouse or the keyboard.  Their most
recent input should be treated as their "focus"

Just my early-morning ramblings...best served with a grain of
salt. :)

-tim









From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Wed Nov 16 13:05:11 2005
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (Jonathan Chetwynd)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:05:11 +0000
Subject: [games_access] duel navigation? Please could all members voice
	their opinions?
In-Reply-To: <437B4022.20607@thechases.com>
References: <E8331E73-7412-49A9-BDEA-555A8C5AF745@btinternet.com>
	<437B4022.20607@thechases.com>
Message-ID: <7AF4C8F5-1DED-48C7-A234-3B5349FF4439@btinternet.com>

Tim,

I particularly like your clear description*, but in my experience  
that isn't what happens.
afaik tabbing and mousing are treated totally separately, so tab -  
mouse - tab results in #2.

Please could you confirm that you consider that tabbing should be  
from the last element with focus?
this would mean a change of current 'expected behaviour'.

thanks so much

Jonathan Chetwynd
Accessible Solutions
http://www.eas-i.co.uk



On 16 Nov 2005, at 14:20, Tim Chase wrote:

*If you tab-focus link #1, it should show that
target URL.  Then, if you move your mouse over link #2, it show
the URL for link #2.  If you move the mouse off of link #2, it
should revert to the URL for link #1 (with keyboard focus).
Whether you move the mouse off a link or not, if you tab-focus
again with the keyboard to link #3,



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Nov 16 14:31:07 2005
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:31:07 -0600
Subject: [games_access] GDC Hotel Reservations!
Message-ID: <996e757b.5c408c74.8289300@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

Hi everyone,

The GDC hotel reservations information is online 
(www.gdconf.com) and I urge you all to make reservations as 
soon as you can because one hotel is nearly sold out and 
others are fast on their way. While San Jose's conference 
center is better...we lose out on the number of hotels that 
San Francisco had.

Please feel free to use this list as a way to find people to 
share rooms with, etc, at GDC!

Michelle


From agdev at thechases.com  Wed Nov 16 17:49:38 2005
From: agdev at thechases.com (Tim Chase)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:49:38 -0600
Subject: [games_access] duel navigation? Please could all members voice
	their opinions?
In-Reply-To: <7AF4C8F5-1DED-48C7-A234-3B5349FF4439@btinternet.com>
References: <E8331E73-7412-49A9-BDEA-555A8C5AF745@btinternet.com>	<437B4022.20607@thechases.com>
	<7AF4C8F5-1DED-48C7-A234-3B5349FF4439@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <437BB782.706@thechases.com>

> I particularly like your clear description*, but in my
> experience  that isn't what happens. afaik tabbing and mousing
> are treated totally separately, so tab - mouse - tab results
> in #2.
> 
> Please could you confirm that you consider that tabbing should
> be  from the last element with focus? this would mean a change
> of current 'expected behaviour'.

yes, I'd agree "that tabbing should be from the last element with
focus".  However, when "focus" is achieved is a secondary
question.  With a mouse, there's a distinct difference between
just hovering over a link and clicking (or clicking but then
either hitting <ESC> or dragging away to select the link but not
click it fully) a link.

I'd say that the behavior I described previously (that you seemed
to like[*]) is apropriate for the hovering pseudo-focus.
However, I'd say that if you've actually made some sort of
*selection* action with the mouse, not just a hovering "what is
this" (or even more benignly, just happen to be passing over a
field between points A and B), then that should rightly set the
focus on that control.

When I hover the mouse over something in whatever application, I
don't expect it to be treated the same way as actually clicking
on it.  When clicking, I'd expect the focus to go there, just as
if I had tabbed to it and to treat clicking as if I pressed
<Space> or <Enter> to activate the currently focused item.

I think to nail your question down, you'd have to clearly
distinguish between full-fledged "focus" and merely "hovering" or
moving over a link.  I'd say the expected behaviors vary
depending on the action.

Just my humble $2.0e-2 on the matter. :)

-tim


[*]
> *If you tab-focus link #1, it should show that target URL.
> Then, if you move your mouse over link #2, it show the URL for
> link #2.  If you move the mouse off of link #2, it should
> revert to the URL for link #1 (with keyboard focus). Whether
> you move the mouse off a link or not, if you tab-focus again
> with the keyboard to link #3,









From rkimball at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 21:52:16 2005
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:52:16 -0500
Subject: [games_access] GDC Hotel Reservations!
In-Reply-To: <996e757b.5c408c74.8289300@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>
References: <996e757b.5c408c74.8289300@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0511161852n2d0772d9u75a3b2e415286e56@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone stayed in any of the hotels listed here?
http://www.gdconf.com/travel/

I'd like to stay in one that is within walking distance of the
convention center and restaurants/food stores. I'm not too concerned
about the price now. So, if someone can recommend one I'd appreciate
it, thanks.

Thanks,

-Reid

On 11/16/05, hinn at uiuc.edu <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> The GDC hotel reservations information is online
> (www.gdconf.com) and I urge you all to make reservations as
> soon as you can because one hotel is nearly sold out and
> others are fast on their way. While San Jose's conference
> center is better...we lose out on the number of hotels that
> San Francisco had.
>
> Please feel free to use this list as a way to find people to
> share rooms with, etc, at GDC!
>
> Michelle
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Thu Nov 17 14:24:54 2005
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:24:54 -0000
Subject: [games_access] duel navigation? Please could all members
	voicetheir opinions?
References: <E8331E73-7412-49A9-BDEA-555A8C5AF745@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <007901c5ebac$96c8a000$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Hi Jonathan,

Not entirely sure what you mean by one element being in focus. In a driving 
game, you might benefit from focussing on what's behind using the rear view 
mirror, as well as what's ahead. Is this what you are talking about? Also 
unsure what you mean by linear and planar focussing. Can you expand on this, 
please?

Thanks,

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk 





From rkimball at gmail.com  Thu Nov 17 17:17:49 2005
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:17:49 -0600
Subject: [games_access] duel navigation? Please could all members voice
	their opinions?
In-Reply-To: <E8331E73-7412-49A9-BDEA-555A8C5AF745@btinternet.com>
References: <E8331E73-7412-49A9-BDEA-555A8C5AF745@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0511171417x2ba3b8e2k19541f68c3c9c32e@mail.gmail.com>

I really don't under this email at all. The terms you are using (duel
navigation, planar and linear controls, elements) and then you talk
about web site control methods? I don't see the connection.

-Reid

On 11/16/05, Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetwynd at btinternet.com> wrote:
> Duel Navigation:
>
> Please could all members voice their opinions:
>
> Is it too restrictive to insist on there being only one element in
> focus at any time? even in a gaming situation?
>
> Does anyone have experience of using dual controls to navigate(1)?
> Where one set of controls is linear, the other planar?
>
> Has someone has already come across something similar, though not
> necessarily identical,
> and perhaps already analysed and resolved the issues likely to arise?
>
>
>
> thanks again
>
> Jonathan Chetwynd
> Accessible Solutions
> http://www.eas-i.co.uk
>
> ---
>
> (1) keyboard tab and mouse offer alternative methods to navigate a
> web page or application.
> Assuming that it is device independent and accessible.
>
> However it hasn't been satisfactorily described what should happen
> when both are in use:
> what will the window.status show as the destination URL? (2)
>
> If there is to be a single focus, should the tab 'jump' to the
> current mouse event locus? and vice versa
> Would changing mouse location might be more contentious?
>
> If one had separate controls on a steering column in a car, this
> would be expected,
> Even with a space-warp drive the expectation might be that jumping on
> a bicycle doesn't drop one back where one last used it....
>
>
> (2) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316191
> This relates to a bug I am proposing to the CDFWG http://www.w3.org/
> 2004/CDF/ :
>
> (draft)
> window.status & duel focus one example of a really fundamental
> philosophical
> flaw:
>
> Should there be only one element allowed to be in focus?
>
> For instance if one tabs through a document and at the same time
> mouseover a
> document
> It will be normal that a click will deliver me to one URL, whereas an
> enter
> will deliver me to another.
>
> Device independence suggests that maybe this isn't such a good idea.
> consider, what will the window.status show as the destination URL?
> It can only be 'right' 50% of the time.
>
> Unless one implements a 'last use' policy with a single focus.
>
> ---
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Fri Nov 18 09:32:01 2005
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (Jonathan Chetwynd)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:32:01 +0000
Subject: [games_access] Re: duel navigation? Please could all members voice
	their opinions?
In-Reply-To: <a6673b8d0511171417x2ba3b8e2k19541f68c3c9c32e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E8331E73-7412-49A9-BDEA-555A8C5AF745@btinternet.com>
	<a6673b8d0511171417x2ba3b8e2k19541f68c3c9c32e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EE4FE4CA-FF03-493F-9BC3-068D2DC7EFFC@btinternet.com>

Read, Barrie et al,

duel was a bad pun, my apologies

I've set up a demonstration you can try out here: http:// 
www.peepo.co.uk/main.svg
it is rough, you will need to use firefox1.5.

please use the tab key to navigate the document, then try the mouse,  
however what happens when you use both?
well they operate independently*. Tab navigates along a line, so is  
linear, whereas mouse works across a plane, so is planar.

Would a normal user prefer the mouse and tab key to follow each  
other, with enter and click moving the window to a single destination?

Are there any games out there that already deal with this type of issue?

regards


Jonathan Chetwynd
Accessible Solutions
http://www.eas-i.co.uk


*Note: window.status and the 'title display' can only show one result.
click and enter key visit different URLs
n.b. ff1.5 bug means tab does not update window.status




From agdev at thechases.com  Fri Nov 18 09:52:45 2005
From: agdev at thechases.com (Tim Chase)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:52:45 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Re: duel navigation? Please could all members
	voice	their opinions?
In-Reply-To: <EE4FE4CA-FF03-493F-9BC3-068D2DC7EFFC@btinternet.com>
References: <E8331E73-7412-49A9-BDEA-555A8C5AF745@btinternet.com>	<a6673b8d0511171417x2ba3b8e2k19541f68c3c9c32e@mail.gmail.com>
	<EE4FE4CA-FF03-493F-9BC3-068D2DC7EFFC@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <437DEABD.5040600@thechases.com>

> Tab navigates along a line, so is linear, whereas mouse works across
> a plane, so is planar.
[cut]
> Are there any games out there that already deal with this type of 
> issue?

Well, just as a fer'instance, many of your FPS games.  You use the mouse
to look around in 2d (which usually ends up being spherical rather than
planar, but it's still 2d), and you have, say a pair of buttons for
next/previous item in inventory.  They move along orthogonal frames of
reference (view vs. inventory), so this might not be an ideal sort of
example...but it's got 2d navigation and 1d navigation together.  Some
RPG or RTS games may allow you to navigate the same data linearly and
with a mouse.  In an RPG, it might be having a pair of "next/previous
item in inventory" keys, while having a screen that pops up with a 2d
grid of your inventory off which you can pick your desired item.  The
same thing could hold in a RTS game, where you may have grouped your
troops, and use hotkeys to navigate to your next/previous group, yet
still be able to readily select them with a mouse.

Just a few thoughts.

-tim









From rkimball at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 14:51:53 2005
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:51:53 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Star Wars Galaxies
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0511191151o2fa92624ud550bafe702b8d02@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

A friend of mine sent me the following link about starwars galaxies,
but it's also about impaired
functionality in games.

http://www.forumplanet.com/gamespy/topic.asp?fid=1422&tid=1784547

I really hope we can get the big game development studios and
publishers to come to our tutorial sessions. Are they tutorial
sessions? I saw on the gdconf.com website that we are on for Tuesday I
think. Is that the only day?

What did everyone discuss in this past weeks meeting?

-REid


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sat Nov 19 17:11:48 2005
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:11:48 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Star Wars Galaxies
Message-ID: <31109d21.5ddac0ef.81d3f00@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

Hi Reid,

The Tuesday is the all day tutorial (10am - 6pm) and then we'll have two 
roundtable sessions on other days -- those days haven't yet be announced. 
Then we'll have a meet and greet of some sort for those who can't make any of 
those times and/or want to hear more.

Last monday we talked mostly about the tutorial since it was just Kevin, 
Thomas, and I. The next meeting is at noon eastern time on tuesday 29 
november (note that the meetings are on tuesday now -- mondays are just 
bad!!). I'm going to clean up the tutorial stuff on the wiki a bit and then email 
out a note about how everyone can contribute to the session planning. This has 
been a looooooong week -- beyond just work stuff. So I'm a little behind right 
now.

Michelle

---- Original message ----
>Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:51:53 -0500
>From: Reid Kimball <rkimball at gmail.com>  
>Subject: [games_access] Star Wars Galaxies  
>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>
>
>Hey all,
>
>A friend of mine sent me the following link about starwars galaxies,
>but it's also about impaired
>functionality in games.
>
>http://www.forumplanet.com/gamespy/topic.asp?fid=1422&tid=1784547
>
>I really hope we can get the big game development studios and
>publishers to come to our tutorial sessions. Are they tutorial
>sessions? I saw on the gdconf.com website that we are on for Tuesday I
>think. Is that the only day?
>
>What did everyone discuss in this past weeks meeting?
>
>-REid
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access


From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sun Nov 20 10:55:56 2005
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:55:56 -0000
Subject: [games_access] Accessible Gaming in Japan
Message-ID: <001001c5edea$e54bafc0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Some interesting Japanese Accessible Gaming efforts, via www.fukushi.com  :


Adapted Virtual Reality Sports

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.fukushi.com%2fnews%2f2005%2f05%2f050517-a.html 
(English translation)

http://vrsports.net  (Home page)


Adapted Taiko Drumming Arcade Game

http://www.fukushi.com/news/2004/09/040917-a.html  (Japanese page)
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.fukushi.com%2fnews%2f2004%2f09%2f040917-a.html 
(English translation)


Audio Space Invaders

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.fukushi.com%2fnews%2f2003%2f07%2f030717-a.html 
(English translation)
http://hpcgi2.nifty.com/JHS/index.cgi - "Japan Handicap Soft" (Home page - 
"since 1998")


Barrie Ellis
www.OneSwitch.org.uk 





From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Mon Nov 21 10:41:34 2005
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:41:34 -0000
Subject: [games_access] Audio Game at the GameOn exhibition
	(October-January2006)
Message-ID: <036801c5eeb2$0e1cb940$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Just received this tit-bit from Russ Byer at www.bavisoft.com:

NEWS: 1/10/05 

>From October to January, the GAME ON exhibit at the Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose, California will feature Bavisoft's Chillingham. Presented by Exelon and organized by Barbican Art Gallery, London in collaboration with the National Museums of Scotland, the exhibition explores the vibrant world of video games from 1962 to today. 

The exhibit has 16 levels. Chillingham is part of level 9: "Exploring Sound". 
The Tech Museum In San Jose 



Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk


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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Mon Nov 21 11:08:01 2005
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:08:01 -0000
Subject: [games_access] Meetings and new blood.
References: <31109d21.5ddac0ef.81d3f00@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <037401c5eeb5$bfb63d90$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Hi Michelle, Hi all,

Couple of thoughts about meetings.

I'm always a bit confused about the meeting times. "Noon Eastern Time" 
doesn't mean very much to me at a glance.

What about using this link when announcing meetings?
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html

The following link gives a clear link for world times for our next meeting 
on Tuesday the 29th of November at Noon Eastern Time:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=29&month=11&year=2005&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=179

Wondering about new blood too. Any thoughts on getting new members in, 
anyone?

Regards,

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk








----- Original Message ----- 
From: <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Star Wars Galaxies


> Hi Reid,
>
> The Tuesday is the all day tutorial (10am - 6pm) and then we'll have two
> roundtable sessions on other days -- those days haven't yet be announced.
> Then we'll have a meet and greet of some sort for those who can't make any 
> of
> those times and/or want to hear more.
>
> Last monday we talked mostly about the tutorial since it was just Kevin,
> Thomas, and I. The next meeting is at noon eastern time on tuesday 29
> november (note that the meetings are on tuesday now -- mondays are just
> bad!!). I'm going to clean up the tutorial stuff on the wiki a bit and 
> then email
> out a note about how everyone can contribute to the session planning. This 
> has
> been a looooooong week -- beyond just work stuff. So I'm a little behind 
> right
> now.
>
> Michelle
>
> ---- Original message ----
>>Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:51:53 -0500
>>From: Reid Kimball <rkimball at gmail.com>
>>Subject: [games_access] Star Wars Galaxies
>>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>
>>
>>Hey all,
>>
>>A friend of mine sent me the following link about starwars galaxies,
>>but it's also about impaired
>>functionality in games.
>>
>>http://www.forumplanet.com/gamespy/topic.asp?fid=1422&tid=1784547
>>
>>I really hope we can get the big game development studios and
>>publishers to come to our tutorial sessions. Are they tutorial
>>sessions? I saw on the gdconf.com website that we are on for Tuesday I
>>think. Is that the only day?
>>
>>What did everyone discuss in this past weeks meeting?
>>
>>-REid
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> 





From hinn at uiuc.edu  Mon Nov 21 17:07:37 2005
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:07:37 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Meetings and new blood.
Message-ID: <5d79809b.5ee208d8.825e000@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

Hey Barrie -- that's a great idea! I'll use that next time 
to announce our meetings. Yeah, sometimes I even get the 
meeting time mixed up because noon eastern isn't my time 
zone either! :) So I've written down noon on my schedule 
before.

There has been a few new people joining this list so maybe a 
few of you might want to join us in an online meeting? All 
are welcome! 

Michelle

---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:08:01 -0000
>From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>  
>Subject: [games_access] Meetings and new blood.  
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" 
<games_access at igda.org>
>
>Hi Michelle, Hi all,
>
>Couple of thoughts about meetings.
>
>I'm always a bit confused about the meeting times. "Noon 
Eastern Time" 
>doesn't mean very much to me at a glance.
>
>What about using this link when announcing meetings?
>http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html
>
>The following link gives a clear link for world times for 
our next meeting 
>on Tuesday the 29th of November at Noon Eastern Time:
>http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
day=29&month=11&year=2005&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=179
>
>Wondering about new blood too. Any thoughts on getting new 
members in, 
>anyone?
>
>Regards,
>
>Barrie
>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" 
<games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 10:11 PM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Star Wars Galaxies
>
>
>> Hi Reid,
>>
>> The Tuesday is the all day tutorial (10am - 6pm) and then 
we'll have two
>> roundtable sessions on other days -- those days haven't 
yet be announced.
>> Then we'll have a meet and greet of some sort for those 
who can't make any 
>> of
>> those times and/or want to hear more.
>>
>> Last monday we talked mostly about the tutorial since it 
was just Kevin,
>> Thomas, and I. The next meeting is at noon eastern time 
on tuesday 29
>> november (note that the meetings are on tuesday now -- 
mondays are just
>> bad!!). I'm going to clean up the tutorial stuff on the 
wiki a bit and 
>> then email
>> out a note about how everyone can contribute to the 
session planning. This 
>> has
>> been a looooooong week -- beyond just work stuff. So I'm 
a little behind 
>> right
>> now.
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>> ---- Original message ----
>>>Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:51:53 -0500
>>>From: Reid Kimball <rkimball at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: [games_access] Star Wars Galaxies
>>>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
<games_access at igda.org>
>>>
>>>Hey all,
>>>
>>>A friend of mine sent me the following link about 
starwars galaxies,
>>>but it's also about impaired
>>>functionality in games.
>>>
>>>http://www.forumplanet.com/gamespy/topic.asp?
fid=1422&tid=1784547
>>>
>>>I really hope we can get the big game development studios 
and
>>>publishers to come to our tutorial sessions. Are they 
tutorial
>>>sessions? I saw on the gdconf.com website that we are on 
for Tuesday I
>>>think. Is that the only day?
>>>
>>>What did everyone discuss in this past weeks meeting?
>>>
>>>-REid
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Mon Nov 21 18:43:31 2005
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:43:31 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Meetings and new blood.
Message-ID: <b46a0de7.5eead055.8720a00@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

Hey Barrie -- that's a great idea! I'll use that next time 
to announce our meetings. Yeah, sometimes I even get the 
meeting time mixed up because noon eastern isn't my time 
zone either! :) So I've written down noon on my schedule 
before.

There has been a few new people joining this list so maybe a 
few of you might want to join us in an online meeting? All 
are welcome! 

Michelle


---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:08:01 -0000
>From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>  
>Subject: [games_access] Meetings and new blood.  
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" 
<games_access at igda.org>
>
>Hi Michelle, Hi all,
>
>Couple of thoughts about meetings.
>
>I'm always a bit confused about the meeting times. "Noon 
Eastern Time" 
>doesn't mean very much to me at a glance.
>
>What about using this link when announcing meetings?
>http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html
>
>The following link gives a clear link for world times for 
our next meeting 
>on Tuesday the 29th of November at Noon Eastern Time:
>http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
day=29&month=11&year=2005&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=179
>
>Wondering about new blood too. Any thoughts on getting new 
members in, 
>anyone?
>
>Regards,
>
>Barrie
>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" 
<games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 10:11 PM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Star Wars Galaxies
>
>
>> Hi Reid,
>>
>> The Tuesday is the all day tutorial (10am - 6pm) and then 
we'll have two
>> roundtable sessions on other days -- those days haven't 
yet be announced.
>> Then we'll have a meet and greet of some sort for those 
who can't make any 
>> of
>> those times and/or want to hear more.
>>
>> Last monday we talked mostly about the tutorial since it 
was just Kevin,
>> Thomas, and I. The next meeting is at noon eastern time 
on tuesday 29
>> november (note that the meetings are on tuesday now -- 
mondays are just
>> bad!!). I'm going to clean up the tutorial stuff on the 
wiki a bit and 
>> then email
>> out a note about how everyone can contribute to the 
session planning. This 
>> has
>> been a looooooong week -- beyond just work stuff. So I'm 
a little behind 
>> right
>> now.
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>> ---- Original message ----
>>>Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:51:53 -0500
>>>From: Reid Kimball <rkimball at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: [games_access] Star Wars Galaxies
>>>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
<games_access at igda.org>
>>>
>>>Hey all,
>>>
>>>A friend of mine sent me the following link about 
starwars galaxies,
>>>but it's also about impaired
>>>functionality in games.
>>>
>>>http://www.forumplanet.com/gamespy/topic.asp?
fid=1422&tid=1784547
>>>
>>>I really hope we can get the big game development studios 
and
>>>publishers to come to our tutorial sessions. Are they 
tutorial
>>>sessions? I saw on the gdconf.com website that we are on 
for Tuesday I
>>>think. Is that the only day?
>>>
>>>What did everyone discuss in this past weeks meeting?
>>>
>>>-REid
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Mon Nov 21 23:11:15 2005
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:11:15 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Audio Game at the GameOn
	exhibition	(October-January2006)
Message-ID: <71d7b828.5f0352ef.81cb200@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

ah...too bad it won't still be there when we are in San Jose 
for the GDC. That would be a cool tie in to the tutorial. 
Still, good find and good news that accessible gaming is 
included in the travelling exhibit. :)

Michelle

---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:41:34 -0000
>From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>  
>Subject: [games_access] Audio Game at the GameOn exhibition 
(October-January2006)  
>To: "IGDA GA mailing list" <games_access at igda.org>
>
>   Just received this tit-bit from Russ Byer at
>   www.bavisoft.com:
>    
>   NEWS: 1/10/05
>
>   From October to January, the GAME ON exhibit at the
>   Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose, California
>   will feature Bavisoft's Chillingham. Presented by
>   Exelon and organized by Barbican Art Gallery, London
>   in collaboration with the National Museums of
>   Scotland, the exhibition explores the vibrant world
>   of video games from 1962 to today.
>
>   The exhibit has 16 levels. Chillingham is part of
>   level 9: "Exploring Sound".
>   The Tech Museum In San Jose
>    
>    
>    
>   Barrie
>   www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>    
>________________
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access


From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Nov 22 01:30:56 2005
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:30:56 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Audio Game at the GameOn
	exhibition(October-January2006)
References: <036801c5eeb2$0e1cb940$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <002b01c5ef2e$4c102df0$0ffc8418@Delletje>

Hi,

That's cool. I think Chillingham has been part of the American Exhibition for quite some time know since I remember Russ mailing about it at the beginning of this year. Drive was part of the Europian Exhibition (2003). Here are some pics (scroll to the bottom) so Michelle can still get a glimpse of what it is about :)

http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/press_drive.php

Greets,

Richard

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Barrie Ellis 
  To: IGDA GA mailing list 
  Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:41 PM
  Subject: [games_access] Audio Game at the GameOn exhibition(October-January2006)


  Just received this tit-bit from Russ Byer at www.bavisoft.com:

  NEWS: 1/10/05 

  From October to January, the GAME ON exhibit at the Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose, California will feature Bavisoft's Chillingham. Presented by Exelon and organized by Barbican Art Gallery, London in collaboration with the National Museums of Scotland, the exhibition explores the vibrant world of video games from 1962 to today. 

  The exhibit has 16 levels. Chillingham is part of level 9: "Exploring Sound". 
  The Tech Museum In San Jose 



  Barrie
  www.OneSwitch.org.uk





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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Tue Nov 22 02:24:40 2005
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:24:40 -0000
Subject: [games_access] Japanese links part 2: NAMCO accessible controller
	for Playstation 2 etc.
References: <20051122064153.6218.qmail@web25201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c5ef35$d19e8820$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

"Barrier-free Controller for Home Videogames by Namco
http://hustle-club.com

This redesigned game pad is compatible with the Sony PlayStation 2.  It has 
oversized buttons and a joystick on it, but also has switch ports for the 
addition of external switches."


I found this info from www.connsensebulletin.com/gap2005.html. However, 
there's nothing on the Hustle-club web-site about this (although if I could 
read Japanese this might help). They told me that no hardware was exhibited 
for this, but there were pamphlets and two people from Namco that could 
speak a little English.


Some more interesting Japanese sites around assistive technology:

http://www.kokoroweb.org/atac2002/tenzi.html (e-ZUKA adapted Playstation 
controller in 2002)
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.kktstep.org%2fmouse-om2.html 
(English translation of bespoke accessible USB controllers 
www.kktstep.org/raku2mouse.html)
http://www.p-supply.co.jp/comaid/index.html (stock switches and sensors)

 If only we could bridge the language barrier....

All the best,

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk





From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Tue Nov 22 02:43:57 2005
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:43:57 -0000
Subject: [games_access] Re: duel navigation? Please could all members
	voicetheir opinions?
References: <E8331E73-7412-49A9-BDEA-555A8C5AF745@btinternet.com><a6673b8d0511171417x2ba3b8e2k19541f68c3c9c32e@mail.gmail.com>
	<EE4FE4CA-FF03-493F-9BC3-068D2DC7EFFC@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <004401c5ef38$7f01d240$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Hi Jonathan,

Couldn't get www.peepo.co.uk/main.svg to work I'm afraid, as I don't have 
firefox. I think most users would be happy to expect mouse use and TAB use 
to work independently of one another. As for games, I think it would be 
helpful to be able to pare down information (something like a SAAB dashboard 
I remember, that only illuminated pressing information and the speed), where 
screens are overcroweded with info, in easier playing modes. Sorry I can't 
be of more help Jonathan.

Best wishes with it,

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk 





From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Nov 22 14:09:17 2005
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:09:17 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Alternative Accessible Haptic Game Controller (was:
	Japanese links part 2: NAMCO accessible controllerfor
	Playstation 2 etc.)
References: <20051122064153.6218.qmail@web25201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<003d01c5ef35$d19e8820$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <006601c5ef98$3ca215d0$0ffc8418@Delletje>

Hi Barrie and list,

Thanks for posting these great links. I assume you're keeping track of all 
these somewhere in an archive? Would make a nice article in the future! I 
got a question mostly for Barrie but I'd like to ask others to help out as 
well. The question is related to alternative game controllers:

This week I was approached by one of the largest of technical universities 
in Holland who asked me (or actually AudioGames.net) to help out with a 
seminar for 2nd year Industrial Design students . They asked me to formulate 
and assist with a research assignment in which students design an 
"alternative haptic game controller". It should be handheld (or bodyheld) 
and it should stimulate movement of the player. The university originally 
had the idea to link it to audio games because of the interesting 
"hand-ear"-relationship. Accessibility was not within the description. The 
project's duration is about 6 weeks I believe.

Since I'm busy with the "Game Accessibility"-project (a project of the Dutch 
Accessibility foundation - I know I keep hinting about this but I will tell 
more about it when we actually launch) I thought this research assignment 
would fit in nicely. Together with my collegue Sander I'm currently scanning 
the different possibilities. One of the things I would like to do with this 
assignment is to make it a R&D project in which to get more knowledge about 
possible accessible game controllers. This is not exactly my field although 
I try to keep track of whatever Barrie does:)

I would like to know what problems/limitations/possibilities there are with 
current accessible game controllers. Can you tell me if there's a NEED for a 
specific design/technology through which games could be played more easily? 
I personally like the idea of a "one button"-controller that actually has 
more functionality than just "on" or "off". But I wouldn't really know if 
there's a need for that. I know that there's a very wide range of haptic 
assistive technology and alternative controllers. I also know that the scope 
of motoric disabilities if quite big and varied. Therefore I am thinking to 
just pick one or two of the most common motoric disabilities and ask the 
students to design for that specific disability. What do you think about 
that (and...er... what IS the most common motoric disability *among gamers* 
?)

If anyone has some nice ideas/questions that could be researched within this 
project, please step up :)

Greets,

Richard


ps: here's an example of some of the quality of the students' work:

http://acg.media.mit.edu/people/golan/papers/shakepad/slides/index.html




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
To: "IGDA GA mailing list" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:24 AM
Subject: [games_access] Japanese links part 2: NAMCO accessible 
controllerfor Playstation 2 etc.


> "Barrier-free Controller for Home Videogames by Namco
> http://hustle-club.com
>
> This redesigned game pad is compatible with the Sony PlayStation 2.  It 
> has oversized buttons and a joystick on it, but also has switch ports for 
> the addition of external switches."
>
>
> I found this info from www.connsensebulletin.com/gap2005.html. However, 
> there's nothing on the Hustle-club web-site about this (although if I 
> could read Japanese this might help). They told me that no hardware was 
> exhibited for this, but there were pamphlets and two people from Namco 
> that could speak a little English.
>
>
> Some more interesting Japanese sites around assistive technology:
>
> http://www.kokoroweb.org/atac2002/tenzi.html (e-ZUKA adapted Playstation 
> controller in 2002)
> http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.kktstep.org%2fmouse-om2.html 
> (English translation of bespoke accessible USB controllers 
> www.kktstep.org/raku2mouse.html)
> http://www.p-supply.co.jp/comaid/index.html (stock switches and sensors)
>
> If only we could bridge the language barrier....
>
> All the best,
>
> Barrie
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From rkimball at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 15:05:08 2005
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:05:08 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Audio Game at the GameOn
	exhibition(October-January2006)
In-Reply-To: <002b01c5ef2e$4c102df0$0ffc8418@Delletje>
References: <036801c5eeb2$0e1cb940$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<002b01c5ef2e$4c102df0$0ffc8418@Delletje>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0511221205t389754b1y989a5169e1ddeb4c@mail.gmail.com>

has anyone been able to download and play Drive? I the links for the
download from their site doesn't seem to work for me.

http://www2.hku.nl/~audiogam/drive/drive_play.php

-Reid

On 11/22/05, AudioGames.net <richard at audiogames.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> That's cool. I think Chillingham has been part of the American Exhibition
> for quite some time know since I remember Russ mailing about it at the
> beginning of this year. Drive was part of the Europian Exhibition (2003).
> Here are some pics (scroll to the bottom) so Michelle can still get a
> glimpse of what it is about :)
>
> http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/press_drive.php
>
> Greets,
>
> Richard
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Barrie Ellis
> To: IGDA GA mailing list
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:41 PM
> Subject: [games_access] Audio Game at the GameOn
> exhibition(October-January2006)
>
>
> Just received this tit-bit from Russ Byer at www.bavisoft.com:
>
> NEWS: 1/10/05
>
> From October to January, the GAME ON exhibit at the Tech Museum of
> Innovation in San Jose, California will feature Bavisoft's Chillingham.
> Presented by Exelon and organized by Barbican Art Gallery, London in
> collaboration with the National Museums of Scotland, the exhibition explores
> the vibrant world of video games from 1962 to today.
>
> The exhibit has 16 levels. Chillingham is part of level 9: "Exploring
> Sound".
> The Tech Museum In San Jose
>
>
>
> Barrie
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
>
>
>  ________________________________
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
>


From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Nov 22 17:49:09 2005
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:49:09 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Audio Game at the
	GameOnexhibition(October-January2006)
References: <036801c5eeb2$0e1cb940$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><002b01c5ef2e$4c102df0$0ffc8418@Delletje>
	<a6673b8d0511221205t389754b1y989a5169e1ddeb4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001401c5efb6$f36ab470$0ffc8418@Delletje>

Hi Reid,

Yes, I know, the links have been down for several weeks now due to a server 
update (out of our hands) :(
Sander and I have planned to fix the links within a couple of weeks.

Greets,

Richard



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reid Kimball" <rkimball at gmail.com>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Audio Game at the 
GameOnexhibition(October-January2006)


has anyone been able to download and play Drive? I the links for the
download from their site doesn't seem to work for me.

http://www2.hku.nl/~audiogam/drive/drive_play.php

-Reid

On 11/22/05, AudioGames.net <richard at audiogames.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> That's cool. I think Chillingham has been part of the American Exhibition
> for quite some time know since I remember Russ mailing about it at the
> beginning of this year. Drive was part of the Europian Exhibition (2003).
> Here are some pics (scroll to the bottom) so Michelle can still get a
> glimpse of what it is about :)
>
> http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/press_drive.php
>
> Greets,
>
> Richard
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Barrie Ellis
> To: IGDA GA mailing list
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:41 PM
> Subject: [games_access] Audio Game at the GameOn
> exhibition(October-January2006)
>
>
> Just received this tit-bit from Russ Byer at www.bavisoft.com:
>
> NEWS: 1/10/05
>
> From October to January, the GAME ON exhibit at the Tech Museum of
> Innovation in San Jose, California will feature Bavisoft's Chillingham.
> Presented by Exelon and organized by Barbican Art Gallery, London in
> collaboration with the National Museums of Scotland, the exhibition 
> explores
> the vibrant world of video games from 1962 to today.
>
> The exhibit has 16 levels. Chillingham is part of level 9: "Exploring
> Sound".
> The Tech Museum In San Jose
>
>
>
> Barrie
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
>
>
>  ________________________________
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
>
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http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Tue Nov 22 18:46:21 2005
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:46:21 -0000
Subject: [games_access] Space Invaders For Blind (Japanese)
Message-ID: <003001c5efbe$f14cbcd0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Quick links to the superb 'Space Invaders For Blind' free trial:


http://homepage2.nifty.com/JHS/spi.html
http://homepage2.nifty.com/JHS/SIFB_TRIAL2.exe - 8.37 MB Download here

You'll get a loading screen in Kanji (I think) eventually leading to a (c) TAITO 1978, 2003 message. The keys are:

LEFT and RIGHT arrows to move your laser base
SPACE to fire
ESCAPE to quit

Wonder if this might be good for the GDC 2006? Even though there's loads of spoken Japanese - the game is highly accessible, and a game nearly 99% of gamers would recognise (all the sound effects are original). Perhaps next to SEGA's F355 Ferrari Challenge with its Intelligent Braking System and other accessibility features.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Tue Nov 22 19:15:02 2005
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:15:02 -0000
Subject: [games_access] More one switch / one button games
Message-ID: <007001c5efc2$f377dd60$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Inspired (I'm guessing) by the recent Retro Remakes One Switch Competition, Mike Stedman recently made me aware of the following new one switch games:

http://www.rav.efbnet.com/1w1b/
http://rav.efbnet.com/1w1b2/results.html

Out of the ones I've played:

"Green Thingy", "Nano Sucker" and "Jungle Run" (needs Direct X9 installed, which it comes with) are good fun, although Green Thingy is tough.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk

(I'll stop bombarding this list now!)

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From InRNette at aol.com  Tue Nov 22 19:46:58 2005
From: InRNette at aol.com (InRNette at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:46:58 EST
Subject: [games_access] More one switch / one button games
Message-ID: <201.e5c9e7b.30b51602@aol.com>

Links would not work for me.
 
 
Jeanette
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From rkimball at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 21:31:12 2005
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:31:12 -0500
Subject: [games_access] More one switch / one button games
In-Reply-To: <201.e5c9e7b.30b51602@aol.com>
References: <201.e5c9e7b.30b51602@aol.com>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0511221831i1a80d84au8a5442a374f72c0a@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, you'll have to copy and paste the URL into your browser's
address bar. Not sure why they don't work via clicking.

-REid

On 11/22/05, InRNette at aol.com <InRNette at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Links would not work for me.
>
>
> Jeanette
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
>


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue Nov 22 23:36:17 2005
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:36:17 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Space Invaders For Blind
 (Japanese)
Message-ID: <e9090551.5f897282.8271900@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

Another thing to think about is how we might be able to get 
some of the Japanese attendees at GDC (this is the second 
year that GDC has made a special attempt to encourage 
Japanese game companies to attend) interested in what we are 
doing. Jason may have some ideas on how to make some 
connections.

---- Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:46:21 -0000
>From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>  
>Subject: [games_access] Space Invaders For Blind 
(Japanese)  
>To: "IGDA GA mailing list" <games_access at igda.org>
>
>   Quick links to the superb 'Space Invaders For Blind'
>   free trial:
>    
>    
>   http://homepage2.nifty.com/JHS/spi.html
>   http://homepage2.nifty.com/JHS/SIFB_TRIAL2.exe -
>   8.37 MB Download here
>    
>   You'll get a loading screen in Kanji (I
>   think) eventually leading to a (c) TAITO 1978, 2003
>   message. The keys are:
>    
>   LEFT and RIGHT arrows to move your laser base
>   SPACE to fire
>   ESCAPE to quit
>    
>   Wonder if this might be good for the GDC 2006? Even
>   though there's loads of spoken Japanese - the game
>   is highly accessible, and a game nearly 99%
>   of gamers would recognise (all the sound effects are
>   original). Perhaps next to SEGA's F355 Ferrari
>   Challenge with its Intelligent Braking System and
>   other accessibility features.
>    
>   Barrie
>   www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>    
>________________
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access


From InRNette at aol.com  Wed Nov 23 07:35:54 2005
From: InRNette at aol.com (InRNette at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:35:54 EST
Subject: [games_access] More one switch / one button games
Message-ID: <60.62316fd5.30b5bc2a@aol.com>

Thanks!
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From rkimball at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 13:05:56 2005
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:05:56 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Another personal experience with accessibility issues
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0511251005p47509c48l5c8a05bd81b8f198@mail.gmail.com>

I read this just now and thought I'd share:

SUMMARY: Make programmable hardware controls for games
URL: http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=11153068

"Having only one good hand for gaming is getting increasingly on my
nerves. (this is mostly from the 360 controller frustrating me) Damage
to one hand is the number one disability in the US. Mostly from an
accident on the job or stroke. Mine was from a stroke suffered shortly
after birth during an operation to work on my defective heart. The
percentage in adult males is 15%. This is a selfish point of view, but
I think targeting a male population that is unable to game to remove
barriers to gaming is more immediantly profitable than say chasing
after females with micropayment shopping concepts.

I don't need a special controller game game persay. I don't think that
any standard console controller was made with one hand in mind. (and
trust me, in the 30+ years I've been gaming I have just about every
game system ever made). The question is accessability with the
standard controller. Up until the invention of the N64 controller and
the psx dual shock, pretty much any controller was 100% usable with
one hand.

There has been one controller made with one hand use in mind. The
ASCII RPG controller. I have it. In fact I had a coworker who visited
japan to pick one up and send it back when it wasn't available in the
US. To be honest, it sucked. You had to remove your thumb from the
directional pad to hit most of the buttons, thus killing its usability
for most games. Since it was only usable in turn based games because
of that limitation, it wasn't an improvement over what the standard
controller could provide. Plus, it wasn't comfortable for long gaming
sessions.

One thing I use to do was rip apart a controller and try to mod it to
be more one hand friendly. That isn't really possible for the xbox and
the 360. It isn't like in the old days where you could cut the cord
and rearange the cable to have different buttions have different
functions. You would have to take the motherboard of the controller
and manufacture something around it. I had several attempts for the
ps2 dual shock done but they were rarely usuable end products. I've
had some offers to do something for the 360 and maybe something can be
done.

As I've said before; I don't think that a special controller is even
really required. Though making available for purchase a nonstandard
controller that duplicated buttion function on the front and back
would probably be benifical to both abled and disabled gamers alike.
There are a few things that could be done with little effort or cost
that could improve things dramaticaly.

Make the controller completely programmable. For the 360, I imagine a
dash board add on would be the best option for the 360. I don't mean
just a few control schemes to pick from because often, they suck. If I
want to make the x buttion take the L2 function, let me chose that. I
don't care if I lose the ability to have an analog function, if I
can't reach L2, its ability to do analog means nothing to me. Its much
easier for me to cope with having to tap X for finer control that to
get to an analog button that means I'll lose the ability to control my
character. There was a controller for the Xbox that allowed amazing
control programmablity. It was the ThrustMaster Firestorm. You could
even program the analog sticks with button functions if you wanted to.
It had a habit of braking, it was larger than the original xbox
controller, and thrustmaser dropped it from their line up fairly
quickly.

The default use of analog sticks generally annoy me to no end. I can
really only control one at a time. If game companies really want me to
use the triggers to fire, here is my suggetion: Make it so I can set
the left analog stick to be (forward - back - turn right - turn left).
I know how important straffing is but really, I can work around it. I
played dozens if not hundreds of PC fps and third person shooters
without hardly ever strafing

Another useful feature would be to adjust the sensitivity of the
controller. Some have limited use of a hand but lack some fine motor
controls. They find that often the game with do something they didn't
want because they accident fit a buttion of nudged an analog stick
slightly when they were trying to use another fuction. Or on the other
side, they might have problems with gross motor controls so having the
sensitivty jacked up would allow them to perform functions that might
just be out of their range.

I doubt much of that will happen since with the push to reach the
perceived main stream, companies often feel they have to exclude
niches and remove accessability in their products."

He said he's willing to provide more information to us if we'd like. I
think he'd be a good example for our book.

-Reid


From rkimball at gmail.com  Fri Nov 25 14:22:31 2005
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:22:31 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Amazing input device: Ergodex DX1
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0511251122p261fdf49vbf69a07f3c0155d7@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.ergodex.com/mainpage.htm

I'm considering buying this, just to try it out. It looks amazing
because you can essentially build your own keyboard as if it were
Lego's. All the keys can be precisely positioned to where you need
them on the keyboard surface.

-Reid


From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Nov 25 20:13:14 2005
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 02:13:14 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Amazing input device: Ergodex DX1
References: <a6673b8d0511251122p261fdf49vbf69a07f3c0155d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601c5f226$939483b0$33782ed5@Delletje>

Hi Reid,

Wow! That Is Amazing! I would love to see this combined with OLED technology 
(http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/), think of the possibilities!

Thanks for posting this!

Greets,

Richard


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reid Kimball" <rkimball at gmail.com>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 8:22 PM
Subject: [games_access] Amazing input device: Ergodex DX1


http://www.ergodex.com/mainpage.htm

I'm considering buying this, just to try it out. It looks amazing
because you can essentially build your own keyboard as if it were
Lego's. All the keys can be precisely positioned to where you need
them on the keyboard surface.

-Reid
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Mon Nov 28 08:18:24 2005
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:18:24 -0000
Subject: [games_access] Alternative Accessible Haptic Game Controller -
	thoughts
References: <20051122064153.6218.qmail@web25201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><003d01c5ef35$d19e8820$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<006601c5ef98$3ca215d0$0ffc8418@Delletje>
Message-ID: <015201c5f43c$fb8aa630$0100007f@OneSwitch>

Hi Richard,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

Some problems with current accessible game controllers:

! A lack of standardised controller connection between different computers 
and consoles.
One controller may work really well for your PC, but there may be no simple 
way of getting the same controller to work on your games console.

! A lack of options enabling you to re-map controls, double up controls, 
simplify and even switch off controls.
Using a driving game as an example, I've found it helpful when assisting a 
person play a game using an adapted arcade stick to make all the buttons do 
the same thing (GO), and the joystick set to steer left and right, with up 
and down disconnected. If you don't have the finest control of your hand, or 
are learning disabled, simplifying the numerous buttons can help massively. 
With a left handed gamer it can help to simply invert the joystick. You 
can't do this with all accessible game controllers.

! Analogue controls.
These can require impossible levels of fine control, making a game 
impossible. If these can be set to act in a digital manner, be remappable, 
and have control over how hard they steer, this would be very helpful. There 
is some facility for this in my adapted X-Arcade controllers, but it could 
be better still.

! Sheer number of controls.
Some accessible controllers can be dauntingly complicated at first, which 
must put techno-phobes off. You need a really accessible design with really 
good easy to understand instructions.

! Functions not clear.
What the controller does at any given time can be confusing. E.g. In trying 
to make a universal switch interface controller, the X-Arcade has all 
buttons left blank, with a reference guide explaining what each button does. 
Overlays could help. I could see OLED 
(http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/) technology really helping 
here in the distant future.

! Lack of knowledge.
If the controllers can't be repeat produced easily, and aren't widely known 
about they won't get to the right people.



Thoughts.

Carrying on from recent posts, I have had a number of gamers approach me 
with the wish for a single handed controller that enables them to do 
everything a Dual-Shock type controller can. I have a Neg-Con one handed 
controller and can vouch that this is not very comfortable at all to use. 
Creating a comfortable one handed controller would be a great project. It 
would be best if it had the facility to connect standard switches / sensors 
to enable different parts of the body to take on extra functions. This could 
also serve gamers using their feet.

It would be really nice if this project could be used with standard 
Playstation game pad connectors. These can be used with adapters to connect 
to most games consoles, making this a more universal controller.


Another project idea would be for a versatile joystick. Being able to gate 
the joystick (to make it 16- way, 8-way, 4-way, 2-way or 1-way), to be able 
to set a variable dead-zone in the middle (so varying how far you have to 
push in a certain direction to make the controller activate). Also being 
able to attach different stick handles would be great, including sticks with 
buttons on. If this device could have switch sockets too for the other 
controls, this would be great. It would also be good to have this device 
acting as four switches itself, so it can be connected to any standard 
switch interfaced equipment.


A further project idea would be to make an able-net 'Big-Red' type of switch 
with an OLED display, so it's function could be displayed at all times (an 
easy way would be to feature a cycling menu of images to choose from, such 
as all the Playstation symbols and controls, JUMP, RUN, FIRE etc. - with the 
facility to USB in more images). Perhaps this would be a way of giving a 
single switch more functions?

Hope this is useful,

Barrie Ellis
www.OneSwitch.org.uk





> I would like to know what problems/limitations/possibilities there are 
> with current accessible game controllers. Can you tell me if there's a 
> NEED for a specific design/technology through which games could be played 
> more easily? I personally like the idea of a "one button"-controller that 
> actually has more functionality than just "on" or "off". But I wouldn't 
> really know if there's a need for that. I know that there's a very wide 
> range of haptic assistive technology and alternative controllers. I also 
> know that the scope of motoric disabilities if quite big and varied. 
> Therefore I am thinking to just pick one or two of the most common motoric 
> disabilities and ask the students to design for that specific disability. 
> What do you think about that (and...er... what IS the most common motoric 
> disability *among gamers* ?)
>
> If anyone has some nice ideas/questions that could be researched within 
> this project, please step up :)





From rkimball at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 14:12:34 2005
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:12:34 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Alternative Accessible Haptic Game Controller -
	thoughts
In-Reply-To: <015201c5f43c$fb8aa630$0100007f@OneSwitch>
References: <20051122064153.6218.qmail@web25201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<003d01c5ef35$d19e8820$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<006601c5ef98$3ca215d0$0ffc8418@Delletje>
	<015201c5f43c$fb8aa630$0100007f@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0511281112o7ca2b751lb5ff197cbe4cf36b@mail.gmail.com>

These project ideas are really cool. What if we emailed
mailbox at artlebedev.com, the guy that designed the Optimus keyboard and
see if he'd be interested in drafting up some concepts?

-Reid

On 11/28/05, Barrie Ellis <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk> wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
>
> Some problems with current accessible game controllers:
>
> ! A lack of standardised controller connection between different computers
> and consoles.
> One controller may work really well for your PC, but there may be no simple
> way of getting the same controller to work on your games console.
>
> ! A lack of options enabling you to re-map controls, double up controls,
> simplify and even switch off controls.
> Using a driving game as an example, I've found it helpful when assisting a
> person play a game using an adapted arcade stick to make all the buttons do
> the same thing (GO), and the joystick set to steer left and right, with up
> and down disconnected. If you don't have the finest control of your hand, or
> are learning disabled, simplifying the numerous buttons can help massively.
> With a left handed gamer it can help to simply invert the joystick. You
> can't do this with all accessible game controllers.
>
> ! Analogue controls.
> These can require impossible levels of fine control, making a game
> impossible. If these can be set to act in a digital manner, be remappable,
> and have control over how hard they steer, this would be very helpful. There
> is some facility for this in my adapted X-Arcade controllers, but it could
> be better still.
>
> ! Sheer number of controls.
> Some accessible controllers can be dauntingly complicated at first, which
> must put techno-phobes off. You need a really accessible design with really
> good easy to understand instructions.
>
> ! Functions not clear.
> What the controller does at any given time can be confusing. E.g. In trying
> to make a universal switch interface controller, the X-Arcade has all
> buttons left blank, with a reference guide explaining what each button does.
> Overlays could help. I could see OLED
> (http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/) technology really helping
> here in the distant future.
>
> ! Lack of knowledge.
> If the controllers can't be repeat produced easily, and aren't widely known
> about they won't get to the right people.
>
>
>
> Thoughts.
>
> Carrying on from recent posts, I have had a number of gamers approach me
> with the wish for a single handed controller that enables them to do
> everything a Dual-Shock type controller can. I have a Neg-Con one handed
> controller and can vouch that this is not very comfortable at all to use.
> Creating a comfortable one handed controller would be a great project. It
> would be best if it had the facility to connect standard switches / sensors
> to enable different parts of the body to take on extra functions. This could
> also serve gamers using their feet.
>
> It would be really nice if this project could be used with standard
> Playstation game pad connectors. These can be used with adapters to connect
> to most games consoles, making this a more universal controller.
>
>
> Another project idea would be for a versatile joystick. Being able to gate
> the joystick (to make it 16- way, 8-way, 4-way, 2-way or 1-way), to be able
> to set a variable dead-zone in the middle (so varying how far you have to
> push in a certain direction to make the controller activate). Also being
> able to attach different stick handles would be great, including sticks with
> buttons on. If this device could have switch sockets too for the other
> controls, this would be great. It would also be good to have this device
> acting as four switches itself, so it can be connected to any standard
> switch interfaced equipment.
>
>
> A further project idea would be to make an able-net 'Big-Red' type of switch
> with an OLED display, so it's function could be displayed at all times (an
> easy way would be to feature a cycling menu of images to choose from, such
> as all the Playstation symbols and controls, JUMP, RUN, FIRE etc. - with the
> facility to USB in more images). Perhaps this would be a way of giving a
> single switch more functions?
>
> Hope this is useful,
>
> Barrie Ellis
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
>
>
>
> > I would like to know what problems/limitations/possibilities there are
> > with current accessible game controllers. Can you tell me if there's a
> > NEED for a specific design/technology through which games could be played
> > more easily? I personally like the idea of a "one button"-controller that
> > actually has more functionality than just "on" or "off". But I wouldn't
> > really know if there's a need for that. I know that there's a very wide
> > range of haptic assistive technology and alternative controllers. I also
> > know that the scope of motoric disabilities if quite big and varied.
> > Therefore I am thinking to just pick one or two of the most common motoric
> > disabilities and ask the students to design for that specific disability.
> > What do you think about that (and...er... what IS the most common motoric
> > disability *among gamers* ?)
> >
> > If anyone has some nice ideas/questions that could be researched within
> > this project, please step up :)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From richard at audiogames.net  Mon Nov 28 17:17:12 2005
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:17:12 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Alternative Accessible Haptic Game Controller
	-thoughts
References: <20051122064153.6218.qmail@web25201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><003d01c5ef35$d19e8820$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><006601c5ef98$3ca215d0$0ffc8418@Delletje>
	<015201c5f43c$fb8aa630$0100007f@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <010e01c5f469$7c66c320$33782ed5@Delletje>

Hi Barrie,

Thanks for your VERY thorough reply! I think you named several critical 
problems and suggested many ideas that would definately fit this project. 
I'll have to see what the university's opinion is about it, though, but I 
can imagine they will recognise the potentional of your ideas. I don't know 
how soon I can let you know what the final project plan is because I'm going 
on a holiday this week for the next couple of weeks. I'll definately let you 
know when I know more!

Greets,

Richard



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:18 PM
Subject: [games_access] Alternative Accessible Haptic Game 
Controller -thoughts


> Hi Richard,
>
> Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
>
> Some problems with current accessible game controllers:
>
> ! A lack of standardised controller connection between different computers 
> and consoles.
> One controller may work really well for your PC, but there may be no 
> simple way of getting the same controller to work on your games console.
>
> ! A lack of options enabling you to re-map controls, double up controls, 
> simplify and even switch off controls.
> Using a driving game as an example, I've found it helpful when assisting a 
> person play a game using an adapted arcade stick to make all the buttons 
> do the same thing (GO), and the joystick set to steer left and right, with 
> up and down disconnected. If you don't have the finest control of your 
> hand, or are learning disabled, simplifying the numerous buttons can help 
> massively. With a left handed gamer it can help to simply invert the 
> joystick. You can't do this with all accessible game controllers.
>
> ! Analogue controls.
> These can require impossible levels of fine control, making a game 
> impossible. If these can be set to act in a digital manner, be remappable, 
> and have control over how hard they steer, this would be very helpful. 
> There is some facility for this in my adapted X-Arcade controllers, but it 
> could be better still.
>
> ! Sheer number of controls.
> Some accessible controllers can be dauntingly complicated at first, which 
> must put techno-phobes off. You need a really accessible design with 
> really good easy to understand instructions.
>
> ! Functions not clear.
> What the controller does at any given time can be confusing. E.g. In 
> trying to make a universal switch interface controller, the X-Arcade has 
> all buttons left blank, with a reference guide explaining what each button 
> does. Overlays could help. I could see OLED 
> (http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/) technology really helping 
> here in the distant future.
>
> ! Lack of knowledge.
> If the controllers can't be repeat produced easily, and aren't widely 
> known about they won't get to the right people.
>
>
>
> Thoughts.
>
> Carrying on from recent posts, I have had a number of gamers approach me 
> with the wish for a single handed controller that enables them to do 
> everything a Dual-Shock type controller can. I have a Neg-Con one handed 
> controller and can vouch that this is not very comfortable at all to use. 
> Creating a comfortable one handed controller would be a great project. It 
> would be best if it had the facility to connect standard switches / 
> sensors to enable different parts of the body to take on extra functions. 
> This could also serve gamers using their feet.
>
> It would be really nice if this project could be used with standard 
> Playstation game pad connectors. These can be used with adapters to 
> connect to most games consoles, making this a more universal controller.
>
>
> Another project idea would be for a versatile joystick. Being able to gate 
> the joystick (to make it 16- way, 8-way, 4-way, 2-way or 1-way), to be 
> able to set a variable dead-zone in the middle (so varying how far you 
> have to push in a certain direction to make the controller activate). Also 
> being able to attach different stick handles would be great, including 
> sticks with buttons on. If this device could have switch sockets too for 
> the other controls, this would be great. It would also be good to have 
> this device acting as four switches itself, so it can be connected to any 
> standard switch interfaced equipment.
>
>
> A further project idea would be to make an able-net 'Big-Red' type of 
> switch with an OLED display, so it's function could be displayed at all 
> times (an easy way would be to feature a cycling menu of images to choose 
> from, such as all the Playstation symbols and controls, JUMP, RUN, FIRE 
> etc. - with the facility to USB in more images). Perhaps this would be a 
> way of giving a single switch more functions?
>
> Hope this is useful,
>
> Barrie Ellis
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
>
>
>
>> I would like to know what problems/limitations/possibilities there are 
>> with current accessible game controllers. Can you tell me if there's a 
>> NEED for a specific design/technology through which games could be played 
>> more easily? I personally like the idea of a "one button"-controller that 
>> actually has more functionality than just "on" or "off". But I wouldn't 
>> really know if there's a need for that. I know that there's a very wide 
>> range of haptic assistive technology and alternative controllers. I also 
>> know that the scope of motoric disabilities if quite big and varied. 
>> Therefore I am thinking to just pick one or two of the most common 
>> motoric disabilities and ask the students to design for that specific 
>> disability. What do you think about that (and...er... what IS the most 
>> common motoric disability *among gamers* ?)
>>
>> If anyone has some nice ideas/questions that could be researched within 
>> this project, please step up :)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Mon Nov 28 18:25:04 2005
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:25:04 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Alternative Accessible
	Haptic Game Controller-thoughts
Message-ID: <422416c4.6283f22d.9aa6300@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

I second Richard's note that it was very, very thorough! Great post, Barrie! I'm 
going to put some of it onto the wiki so that we keep growing our knowledge 
base.

Michelle

---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:17:12 +0100
>From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>  
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Alternative Accessible Haptic Game Controller -
thoughts  
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>
>Hi Barrie,
>
>Thanks for your VERY thorough reply! I think you named several critical 
>problems and suggested many ideas that would definately fit this project. 
>I'll have to see what the university's opinion is about it, though, but I 
>can imagine they will recognise the potentional of your ideas. I don't know 
>how soon I can let you know what the final project plan is because I'm going 
>on a holiday this week for the next couple of weeks. I'll definately let you 
>know when I know more!
>
>Greets,
>
>Richard
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:18 PM
>Subject: [games_access] Alternative Accessible Haptic Game 
>Controller -thoughts
>
>
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
>>
>> Some problems with current accessible game controllers:
>>
>> ! A lack of standardised controller connection between different computers 
>> and consoles.
>> One controller may work really well for your PC, but there may be no 
>> simple way of getting the same controller to work on your games console.
>>
>> ! A lack of options enabling you to re-map controls, double up controls, 
>> simplify and even switch off controls.
>> Using a driving game as an example, I've found it helpful when assisting a 
>> person play a game using an adapted arcade stick to make all the buttons 
>> do the same thing (GO), and the joystick set to steer left and right, with 
>> up and down disconnected. If you don't have the finest control of your 
>> hand, or are learning disabled, simplifying the numerous buttons can help 
>> massively. With a left handed gamer it can help to simply invert the 
>> joystick. You can't do this with all accessible game controllers.
>>
>> ! Analogue controls.
>> These can require impossible levels of fine control, making a game 
>> impossible. If these can be set to act in a digital manner, be remappable, 
>> and have control over how hard they steer, this would be very helpful. 
>> There is some facility for this in my adapted X-Arcade controllers, but it 
>> could be better still.
>>
>> ! Sheer number of controls.
>> Some accessible controllers can be dauntingly complicated at first, which 
>> must put techno-phobes off. You need a really accessible design with 
>> really good easy to understand instructions.
>>
>> ! Functions not clear.
>> What the controller does at any given time can be confusing. E.g. In 
>> trying to make a universal switch interface controller, the X-Arcade has 
>> all buttons left blank, with a reference guide explaining what each button 
>> does. Overlays could help. I could see OLED 
>> (http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/) technology really helping 
>> here in the distant future.
>>
>> ! Lack of knowledge.
>> If the controllers can't be repeat produced easily, and aren't widely 
>> known about they won't get to the right people.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts.
>>
>> Carrying on from recent posts, I have had a number of gamers approach me 
>> with the wish for a single handed controller that enables them to do 
>> everything a Dual-Shock type controller can. I have a Neg-Con one handed 
>> controller and can vouch that this is not very comfortable at all to use. 
>> Creating a comfortable one handed controller would be a great project. It 
>> would be best if it had the facility to connect standard switches / 
>> sensors to enable different parts of the body to take on extra functions. 
>> This could also serve gamers using their feet.
>>
>> It would be really nice if this project could be used with standard 
>> Playstation game pad connectors. These can be used with adapters to 
>> connect to most games consoles, making this a more universal controller.
>>
>>
>> Another project idea would be for a versatile joystick. Being able to gate 
>> the joystick (to make it 16- way, 8-way, 4-way, 2-way or 1-way), to be 
>> able to set a variable dead-zone in the middle (so varying how far you 
>> have to push in a certain direction to make the controller activate). Also 
>> being able to attach different stick handles would be great, including 
>> sticks with buttons on. If this device could have switch sockets too for 
>> the other controls, this would be great. It would also be good to have 
>> this device acting as four switches itself, so it can be connected to any 
>> standard switch interfaced equipment.
>>
>>
>> A further project idea would be to make an able-net 'Big-Red' type of 
>> switch with an OLED display, so it's function could be displayed at all 
>> times (an easy way would be to feature a cycling menu of images to choose 
>> from, such as all the Playstation symbols and controls, JUMP, RUN, FIRE 
>> etc. - with the facility to USB in more images). Perhaps this would be a 
>> way of giving a single switch more functions?
>>
>> Hope this is useful,
>>
>> Barrie Ellis
>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I would like to know what problems/limitations/possibilities there are 
>>> with current accessible game controllers. Can you tell me if there's a 
>>> NEED for a specific design/technology through which games could be 
played 
>>> more easily? I personally like the idea of a "one button"-controller that 
>>> actually has more functionality than just "on" or "off". But I wouldn't 
>>> really know if there's a need for that. I know that there's a very wide 
>>> range of haptic assistive technology and alternative controllers. I also 
>>> know that the scope of motoric disabilities if quite big and varied. 
>>> Therefore I am thinking to just pick one or two of the most common 
>>> motoric disabilities and ask the students to design for that specific 
>>> disability. What do you think about that (and...er... what IS the most 
>>> common motoric disability *among gamers* ?)
>>>
>>> If anyone has some nice ideas/questions that could be researched within 
>>> this project, please step up :)
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Mon Nov 28 19:04:23 2005
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:04:23 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Meeting Reminder: Tuesday, 29 November
Message-ID: <cebdce20.62878b9e.82c7300@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

Hello All,

Just a reminder that the next GA Sig meeting is tomorrow, Tuesday 29 
November at Noon Eastern Time. For those of you not in US Eastern Time, here's 
a handy time conversion tool to find your local time that Barrie pointed out to us 
last week:
 
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
day=29&month=11&year=2005&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=179 

As always, we'll be online at MSN messenger -- if you've never been to a 
meeting, please add my MSN ID (vrgrrl at hotmail.com) to your friend list and 
then send me a message around meeting time and I'll add you to the meeting 
space.

Hope to see many of you there -- new members are always welcome!

Michelle
Chair, IGDA Game Accessibility SIG


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From richard at audiogames.net  Wed Nov 30 15:12:45 2005
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:12:45 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Samsung and Game Accessibility
References: <cebdce20.62878b9e.82c7300@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <004401c5f5ea$6d8fa510$33782ed5@Delletje>

http://www.samsung.com/sg/presscenter/pressrelease/corporatenews_20051128_0000217080.asp

Very interesting! 



From rkimball at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 15:24:51 2005
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:24:51 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Samsung and Game Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <004401c5f5ea$6d8fa510$33782ed5@Delletje>
References: <cebdce20.62878b9e.82c7300@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>
	<004401c5f5ea$6d8fa510$33782ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0511301224v5bbbd009rec7695c9929232e0@mail.gmail.com>

We should hook up with Society for the Physically Disabled and
Samsung. I'd like to try out the controlers and with our recent
discussions perhaps provide feedback on how to improve them.

I'll write them an email later today, unless someone objects?

-Reid


On 11/30/05, AudioGames.net <richard at audiogames.net> wrote:
> http://www.samsung.com/sg/presscenter/pressrelease/corporatenews_20051128_0000217080.asp
>
> Very interesting!
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Nov 30 15:26:14 2005
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:26:14 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Samsung and Game Accessibility
Message-ID: <fdf5ea9c.637b3cc5.82de400@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

Wow! Indeed it is very interesting. I'm going to try and 
track someone down from there to see if they'd like to join 
the SIG and see if we can use some of those customized 
controllers at GDC during the "accessibility arcade" we'll 
be doing during the lunch hour the day we do the tutorial.

Thanks for sending this!
Michelle

---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:12:45 +0100
>From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>  
>Subject: [games_access] Samsung and Game Accessibility  
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" 
<games_access at igda.org>
>
>http://www.samsung.com/sg/presscenter/pressrelease/corporate
news_20051128_0000217080.asp
>
>Very interesting! 
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Nov 30 15:28:24 2005
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:28:24 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Samsung and Game Accessibility
Message-ID: <5b17666.637b6f72.aa2d000@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

:) You read my mind, Reid. You can contact them if you like -
- please cc: me on the email so that I can give them more 
information about the SIG and the GDC tutorial. Thanks!

---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:24:51 -0500
>From: Reid Kimball <rkimball at gmail.com>  
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Samsung and Game Accessibility  
>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
<games_access at igda.org>
>
>We should hook up with Society for the Physically Disabled 
and
>Samsung. I'd like to try out the controlers and with our 
recent
>discussions perhaps provide feedback on how to improve them.
>
>I'll write them an email later today, unless someone 
objects?
>
>-Reid
>
>
>On 11/30/05, AudioGames.net <richard at audiogames.net> wrote:
>> 
http://www.samsung.com/sg/presscenter/pressrelease/corporaten
ews_20051128_0000217080.asp
>>
>> Very interesting!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>_______________________________________________
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>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access


From richard at audiogames.net  Wed Nov 30 15:54:24 2005
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:54:24 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Samsung and Game Accessibility
References: <5b17666.637b6f72.aa2d000@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <004f01c5f5f0$3f5ec9e0$33782ed5@Delletje>

please send a cc to me as well, thanks!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Samsung and Game Accessibility


> :) You read my mind, Reid. You can contact them if you like -
> - please cc: me on the email so that I can give them more 
> information about the SIG and the GDC tutorial. Thanks!
> 
> ---- Original message ----
>>Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:24:51 -0500
>>From: Reid Kimball <rkimball at gmail.com>  
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] Samsung and Game Accessibility  
>>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
> <games_access at igda.org>
>>
>>We should hook up with Society for the Physically Disabled 
> and
>>Samsung. I'd like to try out the controlers and with our 
> recent
>>discussions perhaps provide feedback on how to improve them.
>>
>>I'll write them an email later today, unless someone 
> objects?
>>
>>-Reid
>>
>>
>>On 11/30/05, AudioGames.net <richard at audiogames.net> wrote:
>>> 
> http://www.samsung.com/sg/presscenter/pressrelease/corporaten
> ews_20051128_0000217080.asp
>>>
>>> Very interesting!
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> _______________________________________________
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Wed Nov 30 17:40:51 2005
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:40:51 -0000
Subject: [games_access] Samsung and Game Accessibility
References: <5b17666.637b6f72.aa2d000@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>
	<004f01c5f5f0$3f5ec9e0$33782ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <037801c5f5ff$1defd650$0100007f@OneSwitch>

Ditto, please. Great find!

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Samsung and Game Accessibility


> please send a cc to me as well, thanks!





From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Nov 30 17:44:00 2005
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:44:00 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Samsung and Game Accessibility
Message-ID: <ea9ac628.6387d95d.bbf5500@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

Another option is to just cc: the list. :) 

---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:40:51 -0000
>From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>  
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Samsung and Game Accessibility  
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" 
<games_access at igda.org>
>
>Ditto, please. Great find!
>
>Barrie
>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" 
<games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Samsung and Game Accessibility
>
>
>> please send a cc to me as well, thanks!
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access