From k at kellyrued.net  Sat Apr  1 06:14:28 2006
From: k at kellyrued.net (K)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 05:14:28 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games
In-Reply-To: <20060331215526.401565795B@seven.pairlist.net>
Message-ID: <049801c6557d$72f37a70$0200a8c0@KELLY>

Hi everyone,

I know you all are very busy but I have a tiny request for the accessibility
gurus. Can someone help brainstorm a Top 3 must-have accessibility features
list for small indie games to include. I know it might be hard to choose
only 3 features but as an indie developer, we are really strapped trying to
get our core features in and while I'd love to at least make a start at
including accessibility features, it's hard to give them priority over core
game mechanics and sub-systems. 

I think a lot of indie game devs would be able to adopt a base standard if
we knew what accessibility features seemed to benefit the widest user base
to make the most impact across the board and help differently abled gamers
(including older gamers, etc.) to enjoy our games. If we could get the
basics of these features into free/open libraries in different languages and
platforms, all the better for fitting it into a tight dev schedule.

Any thoughts on what the 3 "big" features might be to improve a game's
accessibility? Or do you really need to invest in more than that to make an
impact?

Cheers,

Kelly 

www.blackloveinteractive.com
www.isergames.com




From richard at audiogames.net  Sat Apr  1 06:29:24 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:29:24 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games
References: <049801c6557d$72f37a70$0200a8c0@KELLY>
Message-ID: <001601c6557f$8736f050$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hi,

I would say:

1) subtitling and captioning of all sound  (hearing disabilities cover about 
2 to 3% of accessibility problems and is quite easy to do)
2) adjustable control options (mouse keyboard, etc.) (for motoric 
disabilities)
3) difficulty/speed options (for motoric and cognitive disabilities)

This leaves out visual disabilties completely but you asked for a realistic 
Top 3... anyone?

Greets,

Richard

http://www.audiogames.net


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "K" <k at kellyrued.net>
To: <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 1:14 PM
Subject: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games


> Hi everyone,
>
> I know you all are very busy but I have a tiny request for the 
> accessibility
> gurus. Can someone help brainstorm a Top 3 must-have accessibility 
> features
> list for small indie games to include. I know it might be hard to choose
> only 3 features but as an indie developer, we are really strapped trying 
> to
> get our core features in and while I'd love to at least make a start at
> including accessibility features, it's hard to give them priority over 
> core
> game mechanics and sub-systems.
>
> I think a lot of indie game devs would be able to adopt a base standard if
> we knew what accessibility features seemed to benefit the widest user base
> to make the most impact across the board and help differently abled gamers
> (including older gamers, etc.) to enjoy our games. If we could get the
> basics of these features into free/open libraries in different languages 
> and
> platforms, all the better for fitting it into a tight dev schedule.
>
> Any thoughts on what the 3 "big" features might be to improve a game's
> accessibility? Or do you really need to invest in more than that to make 
> an
> impact?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kelly
>
> www.blackloveinteractive.com
> www.isergames.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From richard at audiogames.net  Sat Apr  1 11:47:20 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:47:20 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games
References: <049801c6557d$72f37a70$0200a8c0@KELLY>
	<001601c6557f$8736f050$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <003901c655ab$f160cf60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hi again,

I've given it a bit more thought since my other email...

*quote*
Any thoughts on what the 3 "big" features might be to improve a game's 
accessibility? Or do you really need to invest in more than that to make an 
impact?
*quote end*

The 3-feature list I wrote does improve a game's accessibility in general. 
However, after giving it a bit more thought I realised that I was too quick 
with my thinking. Because you need to take one important thing into account 
when applying these kinds of lists: the context, which is The Game.

For example, I put "subtitling and captioning" on the number one spot. I 
choose this one for several reasons: it's one of the most simple features to 
add to a game without changing the original game and many people benefit 
from it. Like Reid mentioned earlier, not only people with hearing 
difficulties benefit from such a feature, but also regular gamers who are 
not native speakers who like to read the text to understand its meaning 
better or gamers are playing in a loud/noisy environment or have the sound 
turned off (which is a common issue with mobile games).

But what if the Indie game you have designed only uses sound as "auditory 
wallpaper", meaning that you can *play the game just as well* with or 
without the sound turned on. If this is the case then subtitling would make 
the game more usable but not more accessible.

So to answer your original question: I think that it would be possible to 
make a Top-3 list for a specific (Indie) game, but it is hard to make a 
Top-3 List that can be applied to *all* Indie games.

One feature, though, that could be valuable for such a list could be 
"Adjustability" (for lack of a better term) - with this I mean "the 
adjustability of controls, game speed, difficulty, visual contrast, auditory 
contrast (audio mix), language, etc." . In this you probably recognize most 
of the top-10 list anyway. But I think 'adjustability' or 'customizability' 
or something like that could capture many problems in one go. Then the list 
would maybe look something like this:

1: Adjustability of game features
1.1 speed
1.2 difficulty level
1.3 etc.

Although I don't know if that's something you're looking for because then 
it's not really a top-3 list anymore ... but my main point is: different 
games need different accessibility features...

... anyone else have a go?

Greets,

Richard


http://www.audiogames.net




From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sat Apr  1 12:46:34 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:46:34 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games
In-Reply-To: <003901c655ab$f160cf60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <049801c6557d$72f37a70$0200a8c0@KELLY>
	<001601c6557f$8736f050$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<003901c655ab$f160cf60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <p0623092cc0546b805a38@[192.168.1.100]>

Hi -- great discussion! I'm heading out to teach my class (yes, on 
the weekends even!) but I'll give this some thought while I'm out and 
about and write more later. I do agree with Richard that a lot of 
features really depend on the type of games that you are designing 
(ie, is sound an important part of being able to play the game, does 
it provide important gameplay cues?).

Ok, more later in the day!
Michelle

>Hi again,
>
>I've given it a bit more thought since my other email...
>
>*quote*
>Any thoughts on what the 3 "big" features might be to improve a 
>game's accessibility? Or do you really need to invest in more than 
>that to make an impact?
>*quote end*
>
>The 3-feature list I wrote does improve a game's accessibility in 
>general. However, after giving it a bit more thought I realised that 
>I was too quick with my thinking. Because you need to take one 
>important thing into account when applying these kinds of lists: the 
>context, which is The Game.
>
>For example, I put "subtitling and captioning" on the number one 
>spot. I choose this one for several reasons: it's one of the most 
>simple features to add to a game without changing the original game 
>and many people benefit from it. Like Reid mentioned earlier, not 
>only people with hearing difficulties benefit from such a feature, 
>but also regular gamers who are not native speakers who like to read 
>the text to understand its meaning better or gamers are playing in a 
>loud/noisy environment or have the sound turned off (which is a 
>common issue with mobile games).
>
>But what if the Indie game you have designed only uses sound as 
>"auditory wallpaper", meaning that you can *play the game just as 
>well* with or without the sound turned on. If this is the case then 
>subtitling would make the game more usable but not more accessible.
>
>So to answer your original question: I think that it would be 
>possible to make a Top-3 list for a specific (Indie) game, but it is 
>hard to make a Top-3 List that can be applied to *all* Indie games.
>
>One feature, though, that could be valuable for such a list could be 
>"Adjustability" (for lack of a better term) - with this I mean "the 
>adjustability of controls, game speed, difficulty, visual contrast, 
>auditory contrast (audio mix), language, etc." . In this you 
>probably recognize most of the top-10 list anyway. But I think 
>'adjustability' or 'customizability' or something like that could 
>capture many problems in one go. Then the list would maybe look 
>something like this:
>
>1: Adjustability of game features
>1.1 speed
>1.2 difficulty level
>1.3 etc.
>
>Although I don't know if that's something you're looking for because 
>then it's not really a top-3 list anymore ... but my main point is: 
>different games need different accessibility features...
>
>... anyone else have a go?
>
>Greets,
>
>Richard
>
>
>http://www.audiogames.net
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Sat Apr  1 13:02:04 2006
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:02:04 -0500
Subject: [games_access] top 3 for indie games, to Kelly
Message-ID: <004001c655b6$630c09e0$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>

"Although I don't know if that's something you're looking for because then 
it's not really a top-3 list anymore ... but my main point is: different 
games need different accessibility features..."

Above is a quote that Richard from audio games I believe said in a reply to you Kelly.  To only limit to three top three accessible features is very difficult each game requires a different adjustable accessible features to make the game play fluid and make sense.  I would definitely agree with that I think Richard is saying.

Making the game intuitive limiting a lot of multifunction controls at the same time so that a lot of functions can be controlled with one switch or reprogrammable buttons so that different actions can be remapped into keys.  That would be my top top one.  Check out our top 10 list also.  I hope it is at our web site know.

I hope this helps.
Robert Florio

www.RobertFlorio.com all about art and video game accessibility
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From agdev at thechases.com  Sat Apr  1 13:22:09 2006
From: agdev at thechases.com (Tim Chase)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:22:09 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games
In-Reply-To: <003901c655ab$f160cf60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <049801c6557d$72f37a70$0200a8c0@KELLY>	<001601c6557f$8736f050$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<003901c655ab$f160cf60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <442EC4D1.6010809@thechases.com>

> 1: Adjustability of game features
> 1.1 speed
> 1.2 difficulty level
> 1.3 etc.

I'll add in "1.4 scalable fonts/UI"

It makes for more than three, but I think that four is still 
a pretty managable number.

1) Reconfigurable controls
2) Difficulty/speed options
3) Closed Captioning
4) Scalable fonts/UI

Richard's ideas were good ones...configurability of such 
features is good, and how such items are implemented depend 
entirely on the type of game being created.  However, on top 
of these suggestions, there's nothing like play-testing with 
someone who would have accessibility needs.  Hop on various 
mailing lists to lurk for possible beta-testers.  Hook up 
with local accessibility groups.  Get some warm bodies with 
accessibility needs in there to give your game a whack.  It 
shouldn't take much to scare up someone colorblind, with low 
vision, with mobility imparements, or that is 
hard-of-hearing/deaf.  The local high-school or college may 
be able to put you in touch with some younger blood that has 
an itching for playing games.  Local retirement communities 
might have some "spunky live-wires" that would love to try 
out a new video game, yet have physical limitations such as 
low vision, arthritis, hearing loss, etc.  Nothing beats 
that feeling of watching somebody use your product for the 
first time and struggle to do something you thought was 
easy...especially if there's a trivial fix to make it easier 
for them.

just a few thoughts...

-tim






From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Sat Apr  1 13:50:30 2006
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:50:30 -0500
Subject: [games_access] to Barrie about GDC PowerPoint (UA) Universal
	Accessibility
Message-ID: <00a001c655bd$26f66660$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>

I really love your PowerPoint presentation it's too bad that you couldn't present this you should definitely work on it and present it next year I think we can get some big names to be speakers at our next sessions and round tables to bring greater interest and more people.  I'll work on a relationship with David Perry from shiny entertainment after telling him about how I play his game with my mouth he wanted to put me in touch with his development team so we will see where that leads and Sony already seems to be interested according to Michelle after I think when I talk to them at their booth which is really cool.  I really loved your presentation thank you for sharing it with us again.  I do not understand the program part I must understand the scanning software is it free or did you have to program that?  I want to start making games in flash.  Can I use the scanning embedded scanning technique you use for the chess game on flash games do you think or is it too difficult with programming and so on?  I really want to learn please let me know how I can find out how to use the software used?

Thanks again.

Robert Florio

www.RobertFlorio.com
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sun Apr  2 03:48:38 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:48:38 +0100
Subject: [games_access] GASIG: PICK and MIX accessibility features list (for
	independent and main-stream developers) - April 2006
References: <049801c6557d$72f37a70$0200a8c0@KELLY>	<001601c6557f$8736f050$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><003901c655ab$f160cf60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<442EC4D1.6010809@thechases.com>
Message-ID: <01fe01c65629$db21c870$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Thinking about the top 3 and recent posts has me back thinking on about a 
future ratings system and marking system we all need to think about...


Accessibility features could be represented on game boxes via an appropriate 
standardised symbol (perhaps the universally recognised white wheelchair 
user on blue background - but maybe something better could be devised).

The quality of these features could be represented on game boxes via a 
bar-chart and symbols, representing:

A. Mental Barriers (e.g. symbol of a brain)
B. Physical Barriers (e.g. symbol of a flexed arm)
C. Sensory Barriers (a symbol to represent the five senses - maybe just an 
eye in print?)

Ratings from 1 to 10 could be given for each of the three areas, awarded via 
a central body incorporating as many disabled gamers as possible. This is 
presently undertaken for age ratings by the ESRB in the US 
(www.esrb.org/esrbratins.asp) and PEGI (www.pegi.info) in Europe. I'm not 
aware of similar schemes outside of these markets. None the less, perhaps we 
could contact them and other organisations for advice. To have one system 
would obviously be better than competing systems. In lieu of this, perhaps 
ACE, Moby Games, Audio Games, Deaf Gamers etc. could adopt a system that we 
eventually develop?

Obviously gamers would want more information about the accessibility 
features, thus a link to a respected reviews site would be beneficial. No 
game would get a zero rating.


So onto a top 3 for an indie developer... Why not pick 3 different 
accessibility solution that address an element of A. B. and C. The following 
list (in random order)  is just a start, which we could all add to. What do 
you think? I'm happy to start it rolling...



===========================================================

============================
A. Mental Barriers (e.g. symbol of a brain)
============================
1. Game difficulty level: Offer a wide range of difficulty levels (e.g. 
1-10), bearing in mind there is no such thing as 'too easy' for many 
disabled gamers. Meaning what might seem ridiculously easy to you, might be 
nicely playable for another gamer.
2. Separate Music and SFX volume controls (being able to switch off music 
can aid cause and effect understanding).
3. Speed Control. Being able to slow a game down incrementally can make all 
the difference for people with slower reactions.
4.

=================================
B. Physical Barriers (e.g. symbol of a flexed arm)
=================================
1. Add a 'Reconfigure controls' option. Needs to be very flexible.
2. Digital only controllers. Consider that some gamers can not use analogue 
controls to play games (e.g. switch gamers).
3. Offer a toggle on/off option for controls that need to be held down for a 
long time. E.g. GAS/Accelerator buttons can prove uncomfortable.
4. Speed Control. Being able to slow a game down incrementally can make all 
the difference for people with slower reactions.
5. Reduced controls option. Consider that many gamers can't cope with 
complicated controls.
6. One switch / button standard. (see 
http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/ARTICLES/physical-barriers.htm)
7.


===========================================================
C. Sensory Barriers (a symbol to represent the five senses - maybe just an 
eye in print?)
===========================================================
1. Separate Music and SFX volume controls. For deaf and hard of hearing and 
learning disabled gamers it can be beneficial to be able to turn the music 
off. This can make the game experience easier to understand - especially if 
you are relying on speaker vibrations.
2. Closed Captioning. Subtitles for dialogue and sounds aids understanding 
for deaf gamers / silent gaming.
3.



=========================================================== 





From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sun Apr  2 09:41:06 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 14:41:06 +0100
Subject: [games_access] to Barrie about GDC PowerPoint (UA)
	UniversalAccessibility
References: <00a001c655bd$26f66660$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>
Message-ID: <008a01c6565b$1793c250$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Hi again Robert - thought I'd reply to this e-mail separately,

The Universal Accesibility presentation was actually by Giannis Georgalis (http://www.ics.forth.gr/hci/ua-games/), based on some of the fantastic work going on there with Universal design. Mine and Eric's bit surrounded that which is starting to go up on-line here (http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/ARTICLES/physical-barriers.htm).

The Scan and Select software you would be best asking Giannis about directly. In the mean while you may be interested in the following scan and select software which is open source (in the language Pearl): http://www.pvoice.org/ - Might not be ideal for games, but may be handy for ideas.

There are some really helpful, friendly programmers at www.retroremakes.co.uk - who may be able to help you regarding easy game making applications and support.

One fine game, and really nice example of basic scan and select software can be found in "Alice Amazed": http://www.michi.nu/alice/index.php - The programmers kindly allowed their game to be included on the free CD Thomas was distributing, so if you have a copy - it's on there in the One Switch Games folder.

Best of luck, Robert, You're making me want to dust off my creaky programming skills,

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk







----- Original Message ----- 
From: Robert Florio 
To: games_access at igda.org 
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: [games_access] to Barrie about GDC PowerPoint (UA) UniversalAccessibility


I really love your PowerPoint presentation it's too bad that you couldn't present this you should definitely work on it and present it next year I think we can get some big names to be speakers at our next sessions and round tables to bring greater interest and more people.  I'll work on a relationship with David Perry from shiny entertainment after telling him about how I play his game with my mouth he wanted to put me in touch with his development team so we will see where that leads and Sony already seems to be interested according to Michelle after I think when I talk to them at their booth which is really cool.  I really loved your presentation thank you for sharing it with us again.  I do not understand the program part I must understand the scanning software is it free or did you have to program that?  I want to start making games in flash.  Can I use the scanning embedded scanning technique you use for the chess game on flash games do you think or is it too difficult with programming and so on?  I really want to learn please let me know how I can find out how to use the software used?

Thanks again.

Robert Florio

www.RobertFlorio.com



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From k at kellyrued.net  Sun Apr  2 10:29:59 2006
From: k at kellyrued.net (K)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:29:59 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games
In-Reply-To: <20060402134116.3928257A01@seven.pairlist.net>
Message-ID: <052c01c65661$eda667c0$0200a8c0@KELLY>

>To only limit to three top three accessible features is very difficult each
>game requires a different adjustable accessible features to make the game
>play fluid and make sense.  I would definitely agree with that I think
>Richard is saying.

Thanks Robert and Richard. Definitely, I didn't mean to say it would be easy
to prioritize only 3 things to work for all indie games, but I guess I was
hoping to know what accessibility problems are the most common and then from
that, which features have the biggest impact (hopefully limiting to 3, maybe
4). Where is the top 10 list online? I would love to see that, maybe it will
be do-able for our titles to cover your top 10. I think the main thing I was
hoping to talk about was that the articles and lists I've read in the past
have all been very comprehensive (many ideas too expensive for us to
realistically tackle all at once) or very focused on one accessibility issue
or another (such as audio accessibility). Having a "top anything" list would
help sort that out (for me anyways).

It's hard for someone unfamiliar with the overall issues to know what is the
best thing to start with or try to implement if it applies to your game (as
designers, every indie team will be able to judge for themselves if one of
the "top 3" doesn't apply to their game, but assuming a large, full featured
PC title vs a small casual game- say an mmorpg or an fps title- I'm curious
which accessibility features are must-haves). 

And it is very possible there is a basic set of more like 10 features than 3
that really NEED to be considered. But asking for priorities is my way of
saying "we want to do this, but we know we can't afford a whole lot right
now, something in the 80-120 programmer hours range would be realistic). 

>1) Reconfigurable controls
>2) Difficulty/speed options
>3) Closed Captioning
>4) Scalable fonts/UI

Thanks, Tim. It occurs to me that reconfigurable controls could mean a
number of things- can someone suggest an article for more information? Also,
is anyone working on a game designer's checklist so someone like me could go
through my game using a WS and really understand which features would cause
accessibility problems for particular players and what options there are to
remedy those problems? I like reading the papers about accessibility but
like most devs am usually in crunch or something like it (heh) and don't
have time to really see the forest for the trees (and many papers in this
field are about case studies (trees) rather than spelling out what a
developer needs to do to start helping fix things). It feels like we almost
need to hire a contractor who specializes in this stuff to sort out what
issues would be in our game because I know I'm not familiar with the full
range of accessibility problems in games and the range of options we have
for fixing them. For instance, I've heard about color-blindness and issues
with contrast but am not certain how people go about fixing these problems
in a 3D world.

Also, is there an active group of accessibility testers anywhere (a gaming
league or anything that has volunteers representative of various
accessibility issues willing to test products). I think that would be a cool
resource and that companies would be willing to pay for such a service if it
was reasonably priced (which could in turn pay the testers, so I guess they
need not even be volunteering). If not, I will do as suggested and recruit
on lists and forums for individuals. On our adult game, Rapture Online, we
have already been contacted by two people who wrote that they are disabled
and looking forward to our mature erotic game *because* it will let them do
things they are unable to do physically in RL, and that is actually what
sparked my interest in accessibility. :)

Thanks for your feedback!

Kelly 

www.isergames.com
www.blackloveinteractive.com 




From agdev at thechases.com  Sun Apr  2 12:08:08 2006
From: agdev at thechases.com (Tim Chase)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:08:08 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games
In-Reply-To: <052c01c65661$eda667c0$0200a8c0@KELLY>
References: <052c01c65661$eda667c0$0200a8c0@KELLY>
Message-ID: <442FF6E8.7030107@thechases.com>

 > which features have the biggest impact (hopefully limiting
 > to 3, maybe 4). Where is the top 10 list online? I would
 > love to see that, maybe it will be do-able for our titles
 > to cover your top 10.

I've got two drafts of it...I don't know which Michelle et.
al. decided to use for the handout at GDC'06, but the
content is pretty much the same:

http://tim.thechases.com/top10.pdf
http://tim.thechases.com/top10_2.pdf

It was originally drafted at
http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/Top_Ten

where there are lots of other ideas as well, that over time
were whittled down to a top-10 list.  Some may have some
practical implementation ideas in there too.

 > I think the main thing I was hoping to talk about was that
 > the articles and lists I've read in the past have all been
 > very comprehensive (many ideas too expensive for us to
 > realistically tackle all at once) or very focused on one
 > accessibility issue or another (such as audio
 > accessibility). Having a "top anything" list would help
 > sort that out (for me anyways).

While it's disappointing that developers never have infinite
time or money, there seem to be some "best effort" features
that are modestly simple to add, don't intrude any/much on
the gameplay, yet broaden the market considerably.  I think
the "top 4" mentioned previously go a long way to addressing
many of these needs...at least to a degree.

 > full featured PC title vs a small casual game- say an
 > mmorpg or an fps title- I'm curious which accessibility
 > features are must-haves

Well, as previously mentioned, "accessibility" depends
entirely on the game/genre.  For "must-haves", I'd say that
if the lack of an accessibility feature makes the game
unplayable by a sizeable portion of your market, then
there's some falling-down-on-the-job that has happened.

If critical mission goals are only communicated orally, then
[CC] is a "must-have".  If I'm not deaf, I may be playing
the game with audio off while my wife is sleeping in the
next room.  If I don't understand my mission objectives
because the only way to get them was by hearing them, I'm
unnecessarily set up for failure.

I may only be mobility-impared for a couple months until I
get the cast off my arm, but if I can remap all the controls
to my spiffy mouse with 10 buttons on it, I can still play
your game.  Or if I'm playing your game on a laptop, I may
not have a real mouse attached, and using the touchpad for a
FPS is a royal pain, so I might remap the game to be played
just on the keyboard.  Or I may be left-handed and prefer to
mouse with my left hand and use I/J/K/L instead of the
standard W/A/S/D keys.  As long as you present the ability
to remap various game actions to my choice of controller and
my choice of action with that controller.

I may be making a presentation for a university class, using
your game on a projected screen, and thus want to magnify
the interface or show it at a non-optimal resolution so that
the folks in the back row can see it.

 >>1) Reconfigurable controls
 >>2) Difficulty/speed options
 >>3) Closed Captioning
 >>4) Scalable fonts/UI
 >
 > Thanks, Tim. It occurs to me that reconfigurable controls
 > could mean a number of things- can someone suggest an
 > article for more information?

While I don't know of any articles addressing it, I suspect
that most issues regarding reconfigurable controls can be
broadly lumped together.  Perhaps examples of games that
have done it rather well would be helpful.

For FPS games, pretty much anything by Id has offered
reasonable configurability.  The trick is to assume that not
everybody will want the same configuration as the developer
did.  The paragraph above about remapping controls gives a
number of examples.  I enjoy gaming on my laptop.  Using
standard FPS controls becomes unwieldy with a touchpad
rather than a real mouse.  Id's games often allow me to play
entirely with just the keyboard.  I can map movement
commands, action commands, inventory-control commands, and
"look" commands to the keyboard.  A friend has a funky mouse
with a whole mess of buttons.  He often reconfigures games
(when he can) to make use of them all.  For some games,
everything he needs is mapped to the mouse.

Done broadly enough this can even accomodate non-traditional
controllers that simply present themselves as a more
traditional controller.  If you support
mouse/keyboard/joystick interrelated mappings, and someone
comes along with a sip/puff-stick that presents itself as a
joystick or mouse, your game wouldn't blink at it.  Required
controls can be remapped to this new device.

 > Also, is anyone working on a game designer's checklist so
 > someone like me could go through my game using a WS and
 > really understand which features would cause accessibility
 > problems for particular players and what options there are
 > to remedy those problems?

Well, there are a number of papers with such checklists...
some are domain-specific, but they often have elements that
can be applied across the board.  I'm thinking particularly
of the WAI (web accessibility initiative), and Section 508
government checklist for web accessibility guidelines.  They
don't mean that just by doing them your game/site is
automatically accessible, but you increase your odds.  It's
possible to make an inaccessible game/site and still meet
all the checkboxes on your list.  But those are some places
I'd start in addition to the wiki page the SIG-Access group
has put together while forming the top-10 list.

 > It feels like we almost need to hire a contractor who
 > specializes in this stuff to sort out what issues would be
 > in our game because I know I'm not familiar with the full
 > range of accessibility problems in games and the range of
 > options we have for fixing them. For instance, I've heard
 > about color-blindness and issues with contrast but am not
 > certain how people go about fixing these problems in a 3D
 > world.

While the checklist ideas can be helpful, as I mentioned
before, there's nothing like a warm body doing play-testing
to let you know where your game stands.  I've read several
books on how to set up a usability lab, much of which would
be the same for setting up an "accessibility lab"...it's
basically "usability" for people with accessibility needs.
Sometimes you'll find playtesters with accessibility needs
that just want to help make the game better and will
volunteer an afternoon, though it would be kind to offer
some sort of stipend for their time.  Or you can go hunting
for some sort of (accredited?) consultant that will offer a
hand.  For the price of a few hours of a consultant's time,
you could likely buy pizza, chips, drinks, etc. for a bunch
of college-students with accessibility needs, and give 'em
each $50 for their afternoon's time.  I've been in college
and free pizza will get you far... :)

 > If not, I will do as suggested and recruit on lists and
 > forums for individuals.

This is likely your best bet.  Folks with similar
accessibility needs tend to congregate together, so while
you likely won't find one place for the whole spectrum of
needs, I know there are at least lists for
blind/visually-impared gamers and for deaf-gamers.  I would
expect that there are similar mailing lists for folks with
mobility needs and perhaps cognitive needs.

Sorry if this email was a bit rambling, but hopefully it
addressed some of your questions.

-tim









From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sun Apr  2 14:56:02 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:56:02 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games
In-Reply-To: <442FF6E8.7030107@thechases.com>
References: <052c01c65661$eda667c0$0200a8c0@KELLY>
	<442FF6E8.7030107@thechases.com>
Message-ID: <p06230931c055ccbd4cf2@[192.168.1.100]>

>  > which features have the biggest impact (hopefully limiting
>>  to 3, maybe 4). Where is the top 10 list online? I would
>>  love to see that, maybe it will be do-able for our titles
>>  to cover your top 10.
>
>I've got two drafts of it...I don't know which Michelle et.
>al. decided to use for the handout at GDC'06, but the
>content is pretty much the same:
>
>http://tim.thechases.com/top10.pdf
>http://tim.thechases.com/top10_2.pdf
>
>It was originally drafted at
>http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/Top_Ten
>
>where there are lots of other ideas as well, that over time
>were whittled down to a top-10 list.  Some may have some
>practical implementation ideas in there too.


Yes, we used this at GDC:
http://tim.thechases.com/top10_2.pdf -- that was the list that formed 
the basis for our roundtables. The list came about because of what 
you are saying, Kelly, that sometimes a top "whatever" list is a 
great way to get started. So I hope that it helps you out -- let us 
know if we can help more by explaining the issues in more detail.

>  > It feels like we almost need to hire a contractor who
>>  specializes in this stuff to sort out what issues would be
>>  in our game because I know I'm not familiar with the full
>>  range of accessibility problems in games and the range of
>>  options we have for fixing them. For instance, I've heard
>>  about color-blindness and issues with contrast but am not
>>  certain how people go about fixing these problems in a 3D
>  > world.

I used to work at MS Games as a usability engineer but we never 
covered accessibility there. That was something that I've always 
worked on during my own time. But I have run usability/accessibility 
tests before and, as Tim said, the methods are very similar -- it 
just takes recruiting some gamers with disabilities. And Tim is also 
right -- universities, if you can get access, are great places to 
start.

Michelle


From rkimball at gmail.com  Sun Apr  2 17:00:55 2006
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 14:00:55 -0700
Subject: [games_access] GASIG: PICK and MIX accessibility features list
	(for independent and main-stream developers) - April 2006
In-Reply-To: <01fe01c65629$db21c870$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
References: <049801c6557d$72f37a70$0200a8c0@KELLY>
	<001601c6557f$8736f050$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<003901c655ab$f160cf60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<442EC4D1.6010809@thechases.com>
	<01fe01c65629$db21c870$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
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Nice idea and might work with some refinement but the definition of
what accessibility features fall into which category (brain, physical)
could overlap and get confusing. I think that slowing the game down
could fall into both the mental and physical category. It could fall
into the physical category if someone can't move as fast as another
person, but can think just as fast.

The mentally and physically disabled persons might have the same exact
problems when interfacing with the game. One is too slow to think of
how to react and the other is too slow to execute the reaction. I
think we might make the accessibility features easier to understand if
we approach them from the angle of what game interface problems they
solve, rather than what disabilities they solve. Players interface
with a game via visual, audio, control mechanism, time, challenge
(difficulty). Again, this is listing what aspects of the game can be
customized, not what disabilities they cater to.

As we know by now, closed captioning isn't just for deaf people, so I
wouldn't feel comfortable saying the game solves the audio problem for
those with hearing difficulties. I like the idea that any
accessibility feature can be used by anyone and may even help make the
game experience better. I had someone comment at GDC that seeing the
Visual Sound Radar (blips of sound sources on a radar) made playing
Doom3 even more frightening. It felt like the movie Aliens. He knew
danger was out there but didn't know where exactly. This person had no
disability that I know, but the Visual Sound Radar, created to help
make the game more accessible provided another benefit I never
intended. I think it's important we advertise that. Otherwise, people
will say, "I'm not disabled, I don't need this other crap ruining my
game experience."

-Reid

On 4/2/06, Barrie Ellis <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk> wrote:
> Thinking about the top 3 and recent posts has me back thinking on about a
> future ratings system and marking system we all need to think about...
>
>
> Accessibility features could be represented on game boxes via an appropriate
> standardised symbol (perhaps the universally recognised white wheelchair
> user on blue background - but maybe something better could be devised).
>
> The quality of these features could be represented on game boxes via a
> bar-chart and symbols, representing:
>
> A. Mental Barriers (e.g. symbol of a brain)
> B. Physical Barriers (e.g. symbol of a flexed arm)
> C. Sensory Barriers (a symbol to represent the five senses - maybe just an
> eye in print?)
>
> Ratings from 1 to 10 could be given for each of the three areas, awarded via
> a central body incorporating as many disabled gamers as possible. This is
> presently undertaken for age ratings by the ESRB in the US
> (www.esrb.org/esrbratins.asp) and PEGI (www.pegi.info) in Europe. I'm not
> aware of similar schemes outside of these markets. None the less, perhaps we
> could contact them and other organisations for advice. To have one system
> would obviously be better than competing systems. In lieu of this, perhaps
> ACE, Moby Games, Audio Games, Deaf Gamers etc. could adopt a system that we
> eventually develop?
>
> Obviously gamers would want more information about the accessibility
> features, thus a link to a respected reviews site would be beneficial. No
> game would get a zero rating.
>
>
> So onto a top 3 for an indie developer... Why not pick 3 different
> accessibility solution that address an element of A. B. and C. The following
> list (in random order)  is just a start, which we could all add to. What do
> you think? I'm happy to start it rolling...
>
>
>
> ===========================================================
>
> ============================
> A. Mental Barriers (e.g. symbol of a brain)
> ============================
> 1. Game difficulty level: Offer a wide range of difficulty levels (e.g.
> 1-10), bearing in mind there is no such thing as 'too easy' for many
> disabled gamers. Meaning what might seem ridiculously easy to you, might be
> nicely playable for another gamer.
> 2. Separate Music and SFX volume controls (being able to switch off music
> can aid cause and effect understanding).
> 3. Speed Control. Being able to slow a game down incrementally can make all
> the difference for people with slower reactions.
> 4.
>
> =================================
> B. Physical Barriers (e.g. symbol of a flexed arm)
> =================================
> 1. Add a 'Reconfigure controls' option. Needs to be very flexible.
> 2. Digital only controllers. Consider that some gamers can not use analogue
> controls to play games (e.g. switch gamers).
> 3. Offer a toggle on/off option for controls that need to be held down for a
> long time. E.g. GAS/Accelerator buttons can prove uncomfortable.
> 4. Speed Control. Being able to slow a game down incrementally can make all
> the difference for people with slower reactions.
> 5. Reduced controls option. Consider that many gamers can't cope with
> complicated controls.
> 6. One switch / button standard. (see
> http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/ARTICLES/physical-barriers.htm)
> 7.
>
>
> ===========================================================
> C. Sensory Barriers (a symbol to represent the five senses - maybe just an
> eye in print?)
> ===========================================================
> 1. Separate Music and SFX volume controls. For deaf and hard of hearing and
> learning disabled gamers it can be beneficial to be able to turn the music
> off. This can make the game experience easier to understand - especially if
> you are relying on speaker vibrations.
> 2. Closed Captioning. Subtitles for dialogue and sounds aids understanding
> for deaf gamers / silent gaming.
> 3.
>
>
>
> ===========================================================
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sun Apr  2 17:36:02 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:36:02 +0100
Subject: [games_access] GASIG: PICK and MIX accessibility features
	list(for independent and main-stream developers) - April 2006
References: <049801c6557d$72f37a70$0200a8c0@KELLY><001601c6557f$8736f050$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><003901c655ab$f160cf60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><442EC4D1.6010809@thechases.com><01fe01c65629$db21c870$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<a6673b8d0604021400sa799a0cv594de2b84ed38a53@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c6569d$712da9b0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Thanks for your thoughts, Reid. I totally agree about the various benefits 
accessible features can bring. I also think there would definitely be 
overlap with accessibility features, but don't see this as an issue at all. 
This overlap may even appeal to developers when they realise that a certain 
modification can be of benefit to more than one group of gamers.

I was trying to think of a way that is simple to get an idea of at a glance 
on a box, but could be expanded upon else where in a more thorough manner. 
In actual game play, many accessibility features should be seemless. They 
won't have been implemented well if gamers are thinking "I'm not disabled, I 
don't need this other crap ruining my game experience", especially as many 
would only ever be activated deliberately by the user via menus / previously 
saved files.

I am thinking that developers will want a list of potential features that 
can be implemented, examples and what the benefits are and to whom.

Of course, I think we should still push our Top 10 alongside this 
(http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/Top_Ten) which we need to expand upon. 
Perhaps these ideas will be refined into the book?

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reid Kimball" <rkimball at gmail.com>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] GASIG: PICK and MIX accessibility features 
list(for independent and main-stream developers) - April 2006


Nice idea and might work with some refinement but the definition of
what accessibility features fall into which category (brain, physical)
could overlap and get confusing. I think that slowing the game down
could fall into both the mental and physical category. It could fall
into the physical category if someone can't move as fast as another
person, but can think just as fast.

The mentally and physically disabled persons might have the same exact
problems when interfacing with the game. One is too slow to think of
how to react and the other is too slow to execute the reaction. I
think we might make the accessibility features easier to understand if
we approach them from the angle of what game interface problems they
solve, rather than what disabilities they solve. Players interface
with a game via visual, audio, control mechanism, time, challenge
(difficulty). Again, this is listing what aspects of the game can be
customized, not what disabilities they cater to.

As we know by now, closed captioning isn't just for deaf people, so I
wouldn't feel comfortable saying the game solves the audio problem for
those with hearing difficulties. I like the idea that any
accessibility feature can be used by anyone and may even help make the
game experience better. I had someone comment at GDC that seeing the
Visual Sound Radar (blips of sound sources on a radar) made playing
Doom3 even more frightening. It felt like the movie Aliens. He knew
danger was out there but didn't know where exactly. This person had no
disability that I know, but the Visual Sound Radar, created to help
make the game more accessible provided another benefit I never
intended. I think it's important we advertise that. Otherwise, people
will say, "I'm not disabled, I don't need this other crap ruining my
game experience."

-Reid

On 4/2/06, Barrie Ellis <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk> wrote:
> Thinking about the top 3 and recent posts has me back thinking on about a
> future ratings system and marking system we all need to think about...
>
>
> Accessibility features could be represented on game boxes via an 
> appropriate
> standardised symbol (perhaps the universally recognised white wheelchair
> user on blue background - but maybe something better could be devised).
>
> The quality of these features could be represented on game boxes via a
> bar-chart and symbols, representing:
>
> A. Mental Barriers (e.g. symbol of a brain)
> B. Physical Barriers (e.g. symbol of a flexed arm)
> C. Sensory Barriers (a symbol to represent the five senses - maybe just an
> eye in print?)
>
> Ratings from 1 to 10 could be given for each of the three areas, awarded 
> via
> a central body incorporating as many disabled gamers as possible. This is
> presently undertaken for age ratings by the ESRB in the US
> (www.esrb.org/esrbratins.asp) and PEGI (www.pegi.info) in Europe. I'm not
> aware of similar schemes outside of these markets. None the less, perhaps 
> we
> could contact them and other organisations for advice. To have one system
> would obviously be better than competing systems. In lieu of this, perhaps
> ACE, Moby Games, Audio Games, Deaf Gamers etc. could adopt a system that 
> we
> eventually develop?
>
> Obviously gamers would want more information about the accessibility
> features, thus a link to a respected reviews site would be beneficial. No
> game would get a zero rating.
>
>
> So onto a top 3 for an indie developer... Why not pick 3 different
> accessibility solution that address an element of A. B. and C. The 
> following
> list (in random order)  is just a start, which we could all add to. What 
> do
> you think? I'm happy to start it rolling...
>
>
>
> ===========================================================
>
> ============================
> A. Mental Barriers (e.g. symbol of a brain)
> ============================
> 1. Game difficulty level: Offer a wide range of difficulty levels (e.g.
> 1-10), bearing in mind there is no such thing as 'too easy' for many
> disabled gamers. Meaning what might seem ridiculously easy to you, might 
> be
> nicely playable for another gamer.
> 2. Separate Music and SFX volume controls (being able to switch off music
> can aid cause and effect understanding).
> 3. Speed Control. Being able to slow a game down incrementally can make 
> all
> the difference for people with slower reactions.
> 4.
>
> =================================
> B. Physical Barriers (e.g. symbol of a flexed arm)
> =================================
> 1. Add a 'Reconfigure controls' option. Needs to be very flexible.
> 2. Digital only controllers. Consider that some gamers can not use 
> analogue
> controls to play games (e.g. switch gamers).
> 3. Offer a toggle on/off option for controls that need to be held down for 
> a
> long time. E.g. GAS/Accelerator buttons can prove uncomfortable.
> 4. Speed Control. Being able to slow a game down incrementally can make 
> all
> the difference for people with slower reactions.
> 5. Reduced controls option. Consider that many gamers can't cope with
> complicated controls.
> 6. One switch / button standard. (see
> http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/ARTICLES/physical-barriers.htm)
> 7.
>
>
> ===========================================================
> C. Sensory Barriers (a symbol to represent the five senses - maybe just an
> eye in print?)
> ===========================================================
> 1. Separate Music and SFX volume controls. For deaf and hard of hearing 
> and
> learning disabled gamers it can be beneficial to be able to turn the music
> off. This can make the game experience easier to understand - especially 
> if
> you are relying on speaker vibrations.
> 2. Closed Captioning. Subtitles for dialogue and sounds aids understanding
> for deaf gamers / silent gaming.
> 3.
>
>
>
> ===========================================================
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
_______________________________________________
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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Sun Apr  2 20:00:10 2006
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:00:10 -0400
Subject: [games_access] starting Accessibility Sig tester contractors?
	Sparked by killing (Attn: Richard)
Message-ID: <01a601c656b1$93e18b70$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>

Michelle and others I've been thinking about this when I was at the GDC at the ESRB roundtable and I really good interview actually videotaping the main speaker who put his foot in his mouth and didn't really know how to make games accessible but got some great gestures for starting something to review games accessible.

Kelly just suggested a organization or someone who actually plays these games and rates them accessible and companies will be interested in paying for that service which is something I definitely was told by three people game developers at that roundtable they would be interested in pursuing.  

I already asked Rudy and Jason actually Jason more who run the scholars program for the GDC igda not sure about all igda forums.  I get kind of a mixed-signal not really sure he wants to turn one of our forums into some sort of company.

This is something needed and I personally would be willing to create this sort of fund and like Kelly suggested recruiting people to test these games.  As long as I can get around to having to pay taxes thing because the state will take away all my services once I make money so I'm waiting until I graduate to really go for the huge payoff with a game company so anyone have any thoughts how this accessibility forum igda can be used for this sort of service hiring us?  

In the back of my mind I'm thinking of turning my web site a portion of it into something like this so developers can go to an area hopefully my web site because I'm put in all the effort and get all of you guys to help me start something new for testing games that these developers send to us.  And then doing what Michelle suggest getting that company to do a press release to all the magazines or whoever press releases go to some of these accessibility groups know this information will start purchasing more names which causes developers to get more money.  I think they would pay for that kind of service from me for example if I started something like that or anyone else.  Any thoughts?

(Attn: Richard) let me know again how I can work with your forum to be the forum adviser or researcher as you suggested you would need to do for physically challenged disabilities with gaming?  Thanks.
Robert Florio
www.RobertFlorio.com  All about Art and Game Accessibility
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sun Apr  2 23:35:55 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:35:55 -0600
Subject: [games_access] starting Accessibility Sig tester contractors?
	Sparked by killing (Attn: Richard)
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Yeah, we probably can't start our own offshoot company within the SIG 
since we are more of a lobbying group. And financially we don't have 
independence from the IGDA so we can't take payments. And even if we 
did have more financial autonomy, we might not legally be able to be 
a "company" within an organization. That's probably why Jason gave 
some mixed signals about that.

I am starting a game accessibility consulting company (more later 
once the ink is dry on the legal documents) but this list probably 
isn't the right place to discuss in detail a private company of my 
own.

There are lots of possibilities, though, for the GA project that 
Richard and Sander are behind, the SIG, Moby Games, etc to all band 
together to start some sort of accessibility ratings standard or at 
least a way to start adding accessibility info on games in a public 
database. This would be something that we, as a SIG, could support 
without a doubt because it's more about facilitating information 
exchange than about monetary exchange.

Ok, sorry if that didn't make much sense -- I'm really tired at the moment!!
Michelle
Chair, IGDA Game Accessibility SIG

>Michelle and others I've been thinking about this when I was at the 
>GDC at the ESRB roundtable and I really good interview actually 
>videotaping the main speaker who put his foot in his mouth and 
>didn't really know how to make games accessible but got some great 
>gestures for starting something to review games accessible.
>
>Kelly just suggested a organization or someone who actually plays 
>these games and rates them accessible and companies will be 
>interested in paying for that service which is something I 
>definitely was told by three people game developers at that 
>roundtable they would be interested in pursuing. 
>
>I already asked Rudy and Jason actually Jason more who run the 
>scholars program for the GDC igda not sure about all igda forums.  I 
>get kind of a mixed-signal not really sure he wants to turn one of 
>our forums into some sort of company.
>
>This is something needed and I personally would be willing to create 
>this sort of fund and like Kelly suggested recruiting people to test 
>these games.  As long as I can get around to having to pay taxes 
>thing because the state will take away all my services once I make 
>money so I'm waiting until I graduate to really go for the huge 
>payoff with a game company so anyone have any thoughts how this 
>accessibility forum igda can be used for this sort of service hiring 
>us? 
>
>In the back of my mind I'm thinking of turning my web site a portion 
>of it into something like this so developers can go to an area 
>hopefully my web site because I'm put in all the effort and get all 
>of you guys to help me start something new for testing games that 
>these developers send to us.  And then doing what Michelle suggest 
>getting that company to do a press release to all the magazines or 
>whoever press releases go to some of these accessibility groups know 
>this information will start purchasing more names which causes 
>developers to get more money. I think they would pay for that kind 
>of service from me for example if I started something like that or 
>anyone else.  Any thoughts?
>
>(Attn: Richard) let me know again how I can work with your forum to 
>be the forum adviser or researcher as you suggested you would need 
>to do for physically challenged disabilities with gaming?  Thanks.
>Robert Florio
><http://www.RobertFlorio.com>www.RobertFlorio.com  All about Art and 
>Game Accessibility
>
>_______________________________________________
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Mon Apr  3 03:11:34 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:11:34 +0100
Subject: [games_access] One button phone game - PayJaz
Message-ID: <009101c656ed$d7be03f0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Example of a little one button phone game here that can be played on-line: http://www.aniway.com/flashlite/PayJazdemo.html, called PayJaz (by aniway)

http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/Game_Accessibility_SIG/Articles - has links to a few useful pages on one button phone design. Nice when the games can also be played on-line, as mobile phones can be pretty inaccessible.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk
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From jgeorgal at ics.forth.gr  Mon Apr  3 06:57:57 2006
From: jgeorgal at ics.forth.gr (Giannis Georgalis)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 13:57:57 +0300
Subject: [games_access] Gamasutra Article
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060331133231.06cdd1c8@gameattorney.com>
References: <a6673b8d0603282203n654976f7we7e7d1876dbf80fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623090ec05322e5b297@[192.168.1.100]>
	<7.0.0.16.2.20060331133231.06cdd1c8@gameattorney.com>
Message-ID: <200604031357.57478.jgeorgal@ics.forth.gr>

On Friday 31 March 2006 21:37, Thomas H. Buscaglia wrote:
> Hey Gang
>
> Thanks for letting me participate at the GA
> dealio at GDC.  It was a good time and a real eye
> opener for me.  As some of you may know, I do a
> monthly Game Law feature for Gamasutra.com.  My
> next article will be on Accessibility in
> Games.  (Universal ??? - whatever that positive term of art was).
>
> Anyway, if you have some sites that you would
> like me to consider mentioning in the article,
> let me have em.  Since it is a Law column I
> intend to focus on 508, tax credits and ADA
> issues with games in public places.  May help raise awareness.

Hello,

I think our universally accessible games site would be worth mentioning, as it 
contains information on our work on universally accessible games and 
universal accessibility in general. It also includes references to some 
related publications and has links to many related on-line resources.

http://www.ics.forth.gr/hci/ua-games/

Thank you,
Giannis


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue Apr  4 02:26:17 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 01:26:17 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Member Vote: IGDA Board of Directors Election --
 Michelle's on the Ballot
Message-ID: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]>

Hi all,

You may remember that I am running for a seat on the IGDA Board of 
Directors. I'd really appreciate your vote -- and feel free to send 
this along to other colleagues who are in the IGDA. Only full members 
(not student or free members) can vote and the voting deadline is 
Friday, April 28th! I'm hoping that with my experience running the 
SIG for the past few years I will be able to help facilitate change 
in the way SIG are structured with the IGDA, including increasing our 
financial independence so we can apply for grants, etc, someday in 
the future.

Thanks everyone!
Michelle
Chair, IGDA Game Accessibility SIG

>X-pair-Authenticated: 67.71.35.136
>Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:51:26 -0400
>From: "IGDA" <news at igda.org>
>To: IGDA_List at igda.org
>Reply-To: news at igda.org
>Subject: Member Vote: IGDA Board of Directors Election
>
>Dear Member,
>
>The 2006 IGDA Board of Directors Election is underway. Make your 
>voice heard by selecting leaders to set the IGDA's direction for the 
>next three years. The voting deadline is Friday, April 28th.
>
>This link will take you to the login for your secure voting ballot:
>https://www.igda.org/login.php?pid=election
>
>
>IGDA voting is done on an "approval" basis. Vote for AS MANY, AS 
>FEW, ALL or NONE of the candidates as you like. The four candidates 
>with the most overall votes will be elected to the board.
>
>The following 13 candidates are running for the Board. Please take a 
>moment to review their statements of candidacy, via the below link, 
>before voting:
>
>- Michael Capps, Epic Games
>- Dustin Clingman, Zeitgeist Games
>- Christopher Crowell, Ubisoft Montreal
>- Rodney Gibbs, Amaze Entertainment - Austin
>- Michelle Hinn, University of Illinois
>- Joe Kreiner, Logitech
>- Gaurav Mathur, Factor 5
>- Mitzi McGilvray, TikGames
>- Marc Mencher, GameRecruiter.com
>- Clarinda Merripen, Cryptic Studios
>- Tobi Saulnier, 1st Playable Productions
>- Coray Seifert, THQ Inc. | Kaos Studios
>- Mark Warner, Nexus Entertainment
>
>http://www.igda.org/board/elections.php
>
>
>Thank you in advance for participating in the 2006 IGDA Board of 
>Directors Election! To reach a quorum we need over 1500 votes, so it 
>is critical that you vote.
>
>If you have any questions or run into any problems, please contact 
>us at elections at igda.org. Please note that it is mandatory that we 
>send this email notice to all IGDA members.



From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Tue Apr  4 03:49:45 2006
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (Jonathan Chetwynd)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:49:45 +0100
Subject: [games_access] GASIG: PICK and MIX accessibility features list
	(for independent and main-stream developers) - April 2006
In-Reply-To: <01fe01c65629$db21c870$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
References: <049801c6557d$72f37a70$0200a8c0@KELLY>	<001601c6557f$8736f050$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><003901c655ab$f160cf60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<442EC4D1.6010809@thechases.com>
	<01fe01c65629$db21c870$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <1671C9DD-3652-42AF-BFA4-3E4AC5E09176@btinternet.com>

regarding cognitive barriers, perhaps we could consider a range (as  
in ages) rather than a value, as in:
GO			2-10
Scrabble		3-10
Chess		4-9
Dominoes		2-5
Checkers		1-6

anyway that's a suggestion.

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 2 Apr 2006, at 08:48, Barrie Ellis wrote:

Thinking about the top 3 and recent posts has me back thinking on  
about a future ratings system and marking system we all need to think  
about...


Accessibility features could be represented on game boxes via an  
appropriate standardised symbol (perhaps the universally recognised  
white wheelchair user on blue background - but maybe something better  
could be devised).

The quality of these features could be represented on game boxes via  
a bar-chart and symbols, representing:

A. Mental Barriers (e.g. symbol of a brain)
B. Physical Barriers (e.g. symbol of a flexed arm)
C. Sensory Barriers (a symbol to represent the five senses - maybe  
just an eye in print?)

Ratings from 1 to 10 could be given for each of the three areas,  
awarded via a central body incorporating as many disabled gamers as  
possible. This is presently undertaken for age ratings by the ESRB in  
the US (www.esrb.org/esrbratins.asp) and PEGI (www.pegi.info) in  
Europe. I'm not aware of similar schemes outside of these markets.  
None the less, perhaps we could contact them and other organisations  
for advice. To have one system would obviously be better than  
competing systems. In lieu of this, perhaps ACE, Moby Games, Audio  
Games, Deaf Gamers etc. could adopt a system that we eventually develop?

Obviously gamers would want more information about the accessibility  
features, thus a link to a respected reviews site would be  
beneficial. No game would get a zero rating.


So onto a top 3 for an indie developer... Why not pick 3 different  
accessibility solution that address an element of A. B. and C. The  
following list (in random order)  is just a start, which we could all  
add to. What do you think? I'm happy to start it rolling...



===========================================================

============================
A. Mental Barriers (e.g. symbol of a brain)
============================
1. Game difficulty level: Offer a wide range of difficulty levels  
(e.g. 1-10), bearing in mind there is no such thing as 'too easy' for  
many disabled gamers. Meaning what might seem ridiculously easy to  
you, might be nicely playable for another gamer.
2. Separate Music and SFX volume controls (being able to switch off  
music can aid cause and effect understanding).
3. Speed Control. Being able to slow a game down incrementally can  
make all the difference for people with slower reactions.
4.

=================================
B. Physical Barriers (e.g. symbol of a flexed arm)
=================================
1. Add a 'Reconfigure controls' option. Needs to be very flexible.
2. Digital only controllers. Consider that some gamers can not use  
analogue controls to play games (e.g. switch gamers).
3. Offer a toggle on/off option for controls that need to be held  
down for a long time. E.g. GAS/Accelerator buttons can prove  
uncomfortable.
4. Speed Control. Being able to slow a game down incrementally can  
make all the difference for people with slower reactions.
5. Reduced controls option. Consider that many gamers can't cope with  
complicated controls.
6. One switch / button standard. (see http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/ 
ARTICLES/physical-barriers.htm)
7.


===========================================================
C. Sensory Barriers (a symbol to represent the five senses - maybe  
just an eye in print?)
===========================================================
1. Separate Music and SFX volume controls. For deaf and hard of  
hearing and learning disabled gamers it can be beneficial to be able  
to turn the music off. This can make the game experience easier to  
understand - especially if you are relying on speaker vibrations.
2. Closed Captioning. Subtitles for dialogue and sounds aids  
understanding for deaf gamers / silent gaming.
3.



===========================================================


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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Tue Apr  4 09:07:36 2006
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:07:36 +0200
Subject: [games_access] gdc images
Message-ID: <fc.00802e9a00cad4a300802e9a00cad4a3.cad4a7@netcollaborate.se>

Hi all 

whew, busy week after GDC, finally starting to catch up

here are some pictures from the tutorial day
http://www.pininteractive.com/_ftpupload/images/gdc2006.zip

FYI: voted for Michelle yesterday

/Thomas

Pin Interactive AB www.pininteractive.com
MSN ID:  thomas at pininteractive.com
Skype ID: thomaswestin 
Time zone: CET (GMT+1, PST+9)
____________________________________________________
Award Winning 3D Game for Blind and Sighted: www.terraformers.nu 
IGDA Game Accessibility SIG www.igda.org/accessibility/ 


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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Tue Apr  4 09:14:29 2006
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:14:29 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games
In-Reply-To: <003901c655ab$f160cf60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <049801c6557d$72f37a70$0200a8c0@KELLY> <,	>
	<001601c6557f$8736f050$8e8b2ed5@Delletje> <,>
	<003901c655ab$f160cf60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <fc.00802e9a00cad4bb3b9aca007295d249.cad4c0@netcollaborate.se>


>but my main point is: different 
>games need different accessibility features...

Hi Richard,

I second that opinion

Even making a top-ten list is hard, so to narrow it down to just three
things gets impossible unless you know what type of game it is

/Thomas

Pin Interactive AB www.pininteractive.com
MSN ID:  thomas at pininteractive.com
Skype ID: thomaswestin 
Time zone: CET (GMT+1, PST+9)
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Tue Apr  4 12:34:02 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:34:02 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Member Vote: IGDA Board of Directors Election --
	Michelle's on the Ballot
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

You've just got my vote. Good luck!

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:26 AM
Subject: [games_access] Member Vote: IGDA Board of Directors Election --  
Michelle's on the Ballot


> Hi all,
>
> You may remember that I am running for a seat on the IGDA Board of 
> Directors. I'd really appreciate your vote -- and feel free to send this 
> along to other colleagues who are in the IGDA. Only full members (not 
> student or free members) can vote and the voting deadline is Friday, April 
> 28th! I'm hoping that with my experience running the SIG for the past few 
> years I will be able to help facilitate change in the way SIG are 
> structured with the IGDA, including increasing our financial independence 
> so we can apply for grants, etc, someday in the future.
>
> Thanks everyone!
> Michelle
> Chair, IGDA Game Accessibility SIG
>
>>X-pair-Authenticated: 67.71.35.136
>>Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:51:26 -0400
>>From: "IGDA" <news at igda.org>
>>To: IGDA_List at igda.org
>>Reply-To: news at igda.org
>>Subject: Member Vote: IGDA Board of Directors Election
>>
>>Dear Member,
>>
>>The 2006 IGDA Board of Directors Election is underway. Make your voice 
>>heard by selecting leaders to set the IGDA's direction for the next three 
>>years. The voting deadline is Friday, April 28th.
>>
>>This link will take you to the login for your secure voting ballot:
>>https://www.igda.org/login.php?pid=election
>>
>>
>>IGDA voting is done on an "approval" basis. Vote for AS MANY, AS FEW, ALL 
>>or NONE of the candidates as you like. The four candidates with the most 
>>overall votes will be elected to the board.
>>
>>The following 13 candidates are running for the Board. Please take a 
>>moment to review their statements of candidacy, via the below link, before 
>>voting:
>>
>>- Michael Capps, Epic Games
>>- Dustin Clingman, Zeitgeist Games
>>- Christopher Crowell, Ubisoft Montreal
>>- Rodney Gibbs, Amaze Entertainment - Austin
>>- Michelle Hinn, University of Illinois
>>- Joe Kreiner, Logitech
>>- Gaurav Mathur, Factor 5
>>- Mitzi McGilvray, TikGames
>>- Marc Mencher, GameRecruiter.com
>>- Clarinda Merripen, Cryptic Studios
>>- Tobi Saulnier, 1st Playable Productions
>>- Coray Seifert, THQ Inc. | Kaos Studios
>>- Mark Warner, Nexus Entertainment
>>
>>http://www.igda.org/board/elections.php
>>
>>
>>Thank you in advance for participating in the 2006 IGDA Board of Directors 
>>Election! To reach a quorum we need over 1500 votes, so it is critical 
>>that you vote.
>>
>>If you have any questions or run into any problems, please contact us at 
>>elections at igda.org. Please note that it is mandatory that we send this 
>>email notice to all IGDA members.
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> 





From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr  4 15:08:43 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:08:43 +0200
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]>
	<063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hi,

On http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ you can find some edited video 
interview capture thingies. We're still messing around with the best method 
to caption the videos automatically from your browser. It should work now, 
but we'd really like to hear if subtitles don't work on a system. It should 
at least work in WinXP with MediaPlayer 10. Please turn on subtitels and 
make sure you check the subtitle-checkbox in the security settings in 
Mediaplayer 10 (why did MS put an extra checkbox there for captioning??!).

Oh yeah, we kinda rushed the CC's and I already noticed a couple of mistakes 
with Kevin's video. Please email me personally if you notice weird things in 
your captions...

Thanks!

Richard



From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr  4 15:09:48 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:09:48 +0200
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]><063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <00b601c6581b$57982d70$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Oh... one more thing... the server might be a bit slow sometimes...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:08 PM
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's


> Hi,
>
> On http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ you can find some edited video 
> interview capture thingies. We're still messing around with the best 
> method to caption the videos automatically from your browser. It should 
> work now, but we'd really like to hear if subtitles don't work on a 
> system. It should at least work in WinXP with MediaPlayer 10. Please turn 
> on subtitels and make sure you check the subtitle-checkbox in the security 
> settings in Mediaplayer 10 (why did MS put an extra checkbox there for 
> captioning??!).
>
> Oh yeah, we kinda rushed the CC's and I already noticed a couple of 
> mistakes with Kevin's video. Please email me personally if you notice 
> weird things in your captions...
>
> Thanks!
>
> Richard
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr  4 15:24:41 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:24:41 +0200
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]><063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<00b601c6581b$57982d70$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <00d301c6581d$6c5b81b0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Mmm... seems that there are still *many* errors in the captions... well, 
anyway, just hope to hear from you if they work or not... if not, please 
email your browser, os and mediaplayer...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC Video's


> Oh... one more thing... the server might be a bit slow sometimes...
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:08 PM
> Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ you can find some edited 
>> video interview capture thingies. We're still messing around with the 
>> best method to caption the videos automatically from your browser. It 
>> should work now, but we'd really like to hear if subtitles don't work on 
>> a system. It should at least work in WinXP with MediaPlayer 10. Please 
>> turn on subtitels and make sure you check the subtitle-checkbox in the 
>> security settings in Mediaplayer 10 (why did MS put an extra checkbox 
>> there for captioning??!).
>>
>> Oh yeah, we kinda rushed the CC's and I already noticed a couple of 
>> mistakes with Kevin's video. Please email me personally if you notice 
>> weird things in your captions...
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue Apr  4 15:25:20 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:25:20 -0500
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
In-Reply-To: <00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]>
	<063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <p06230910c058784a037c@[192.168.1.102]>

Thanks Richard and Sander!! I'm on a Mac so I'll let you know how it 
works on my machine and on different browsers. When you are ready, 
I'll post links to them from the GA SIG website as well.

Michelle

>Hi,
>
>On http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ you can find some edited 
>video interview capture thingies. We're still messing around with 
>the best method to caption the videos automatically from your 
>browser. It should work now, but we'd really like to hear if 
>subtitles don't work on a system. It should at least work in WinXP 
>with MediaPlayer 10. Please turn on subtitels and make sure you 
>check the subtitle-checkbox in the security settings in Mediaplayer 
>10 (why did MS put an extra checkbox there for captioning??!).
>
>Oh yeah, we kinda rushed the CC's and I already noticed a couple of 
>mistakes with Kevin's video. Please email me personally if you 
>notice weird things in your captions...
>
>Thanks!
>
>Richard
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr  4 15:29:27 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:29:27 +0200
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]><063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<p06230910c058784a037c@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <00dc01c6581e$1671d5a0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hi !

I would be interested what applications there for Mac to view these .wmv 
files (with captions) on Mac... if anyone knows an obscure 
iWindowsMoviesMediaPlayerForMac that lets you view these movies on Mac WITH 
subtitles, I'd really like to hear it, so we can add the info on the 
website.
I'll also ask my Mac-friends :)

greets,

Richard


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC Video's


> Thanks Richard and Sander!! I'm on a Mac so I'll let you know how it works 
> on my machine and on different browsers. When you are ready, I'll post 
> links to them from the GA SIG website as well.
>
> Michelle
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>On http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ you can find some edited video 
>>interview capture thingies. We're still messing around with the best 
>>method to caption the videos automatically from your browser. It should 
>>work now, but we'd really like to hear if subtitles don't work on a 
>>system. It should at least work in WinXP with MediaPlayer 10. Please turn 
>>on subtitels and make sure you check the subtitle-checkbox in the security 
>>settings in Mediaplayer 10 (why did MS put an extra checkbox there for 
>>captioning??!).
>>
>>Oh yeah, we kinda rushed the CC's and I already noticed a couple of 
>>mistakes with Kevin's video. Please email me personally if you notice 
>>weird things in your captions...
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue Apr  4 15:30:17 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:30:17 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games
In-Reply-To: <fc.00802e9a00cad4bb3b9aca007295d249.cad4c0@netcollaborate.se>
References: <049801c6557d$72f37a70$0200a8c0@KELLY> <,	>
	<001601c6557f$8736f050$8e8b2ed5@Delletje> <,>
	<003901c655ab$f160cf60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<fc.00802e9a00cad4bb3b9aca007295d249.cad4c0@netcollaborate.se>
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>but my main point is: different
>games need different accessibility features...
>
>Hi Richard,
>
>I second that opinion
>
>Even making a top-ten list is hard, so to narrow it down to just 
>three things gets impossible unless you know what type of game it is

yeah, unfortunately, Kelly, in the end that's what it does come down 
to. what richard and thomas are saying is not meant to scare you guys 
away from accessibility at all -- in fact i know that we all applaud 
you for wanting to figure out how to get started in including 
accessibility into your design process.

so this is where we need the help of indie and mainstream devs -- to 
let us know what main features are super important to the game (ie, 
will someone have just as much fun playing the game with no sound or 
is sound essential?). so maybe one way to approach it is to ask "ok, 
all of our games are similar in a, b, and c" so what if a gamer were 
deaf -- wow, ok, so they wouldn't be able to understand "c" at all so 
it looks like we need some kind of alternative feedback -- maybe that 
would be subtitling or maybe a vibration feature.

so when we ask what your main features are, we don't mean to be coy 
-- we want to help and so we want a little more feedback on what you 
think the main problems will be (and you can get very general -- i 
understand about not wanting to post full game info on a mailing list 
before the games are done!) and we can help you come up with some top 
suggestions that will help you get the most mileage with the 
accessibility features you choose.

i hope that helps some! this is a great conversation -- thanks for 
starting it and thanks for being interested in including accessible 
features! :)

michelle
chair, igda game accessibility sig
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From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Tue Apr  4 15:32:37 2006
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (Jonathan Chetwynd)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 20:32:37 +0100
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
In-Reply-To: <00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]>
	<063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <138FAB02-9CBC-4F8F-9571-87CF424E3DB5@btinternet.com>

Richard,

OSX Tiger 10.4.6 non-intel WMP 9 supports closed captioning click  
View, Show Captions

watched the Robert Florio clip fine,

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 4 Apr 2006, at 20:08, AudioGames.net wrote:

Hi,

On http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ you can find some edited  
video interview capture thingies. We're still messing around with the  
best method to caption the videos automatically from your browser. It  
should work now, but we'd really like to hear if subtitles don't work  
on a system. It should at least work in WinXP with MediaPlayer 10.  
Please turn on subtitels and make sure you check the subtitle- 
checkbox in the security settings in Mediaplayer 10 (why did MS put  
an extra checkbox there for captioning??!).

Oh yeah, we kinda rushed the CC's and I already noticed a couple of  
mistakes with Kevin's video. Please email me personally if you notice  
weird things in your captions...

Thanks!

Richard

_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr  4 15:37:37 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:37:37 +0200
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]><063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<138FAB02-9CBC-4F8F-9571-87CF424E3DB5@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <010d01c6581f$3ac24b00$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Great! Thanks!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathan Chetwynd" <j.chetwynd at btinternet.com>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC Video's


> Richard,
> 
> OSX Tiger 10.4.6 non-intel WMP 9 supports closed captioning click  
> View, Show Captions
> 
> watched the Robert Florio clip fine,
> 
> regards
> 
> Jonathan Chetwynd
> 
> 
> 
> On 4 Apr 2006, at 20:08, AudioGames.net wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ you can find some edited  
> video interview capture thingies. We're still messing around with the  
> best method to caption the videos automatically from your browser. It  
> should work now, but we'd really like to hear if subtitles don't work  
> on a system. It should at least work in WinXP with MediaPlayer 10.  
> Please turn on subtitels and make sure you check the subtitle- 
> checkbox in the security settings in Mediaplayer 10 (why did MS put  
> an extra checkbox there for captioning??!).
> 
> Oh yeah, we kinda rushed the CC's and I already noticed a couple of  
> mistakes with Kevin's video. Please email me personally if you notice  
> weird things in your captions...
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Richard
> 
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> 
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access


From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr  4 15:57:21 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:57:21 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games
References: <049801c6557d$72f37a70$0200a8c0@KELLY> <,
	><001601c6557f$8736f050$8e8b2ed5@Delletje> <,
	><003901c655ab$f160cf60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><fc.00802e9a00cad4bb3b9aca007295d249.cad4c0@netcollaborate.se>
	<p0623090dc058756455ad@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <011101c65821$fc8d6dd0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Re: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games*quote*
to let us know what main features are super important to the game (ie, will someone have just as much fun playing the game with no sound or is sound essential?). 
*quote end*

Sound providing fun or sound being essential are really two different things. Therefore I'd like to devide your comment in two, for example by these:

1) Is the gamer able to play/finish/win the game without sound or is sound essential (or a critial point) for playing/finishing/winning the game?*
2) Is sound used specifically to stimulate/communicate with the gamer on certain levels** (and is this done solely by game audio?) or is the sound simply an auditory background texture simply because the game is otherwise silent***?

Greets,

Richard



* for example: Prince of Persia - The Sands of Time can not be finished without listening to the sound in one level which provides a vital clue on how to get out of the level.
** provide the game with a cultural context, amplify the emotional state of the game, etc. 
*** anyone using sound in a game like this should not be making games, in my opinion, but it happens a lot ;)****
**** or :(
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From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Tue Apr  4 16:09:29 2006
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (Jonathan Chetwynd)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:09:29 +0100
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
In-Reply-To: <010d01c6581f$3ac24b00$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]><063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<138FAB02-9CBC-4F8F-9571-87CF424E3DB5@btinternet.com>
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Message-ID: <B08FF4CC-005C-4527-95E1-2ED6038E51D1@btinternet.com>


VLC is one freeware player for OSX, which supports
WMV1 	 Windows Media Video v1
WMV2 	Windows Media Video v2
WMV3 	Windows Media Video v3, also called Windows Media 9 (unsupported)

according to: http://wiki.videolan.org/index.php/Codec

however for me it only played sound not video or captions

the preferences panel includes Subtitles-On Screen Display with a  
range of further options

using: http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/robertflorio.wmv

regards


Jonathan Chetwynd




On 4 Apr 2006, at 20:37, AudioGames.net wrote:

Great! Thanks!

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Chetwynd"  
<j.chetwynd at btinternet.com>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC Video's


> Richard,
> OSX Tiger 10.4.6 non-intel WMP 9 supports closed captioning click   
> View, Show Captions
> watched the Robert Florio clip fine,
> regards
> Jonathan Chetwynd
> On 4 Apr 2006, at 20:08, AudioGames.net wrote:
> Hi,
> On http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ you can find some  
> edited  video interview capture thingies. We're still messing  
> around with the  best method to caption the videos automatically  
> from your browser. It  should work now, but we'd really like to  
> hear if subtitles don't work  on a system. It should at least work  
> in WinXP with MediaPlayer 10.  Please turn on subtitels and make  
> sure you check the subtitle- checkbox in the security settings in  
> Mediaplayer 10 (why did MS put  an extra checkbox there for  
> captioning??!).
> Oh yeah, we kinda rushed the CC's and I already noticed a couple  
> of  mistakes with Kevin's video. Please email me personally if you  
> notice  weird things in your captions...
> Thanks!
> Richard
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue Apr  4 16:13:54 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:13:54 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games
In-Reply-To: <011101c65821$fc8d6dd0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <049801c6557d$72f37a70$0200a8c0@KELLY> <,
	><001601c6557f$8736f050$8e8b2ed5@Delletje> <,
	><003901c655ab$f160cf60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><fc.00802e9a00cad4bb3b9aca007295
	d249.cad4c0@netcollaborate.se>	<p0623090dc058756455ad@[192.168.1.102]>
	<011101c65821$fc8d6dd0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <p06230914c05882ac7282@[192.168.1.102]>

ok you got me on the wording of that!

>1) Is the gamer able to play/finish/win the game without sound or is 
>sound essential (or a critial point) for playing/finishing/winning 
>the game?*

so richard's first point was what i was referring to for you, kelly 
-- if sound is essential to being able to succeed in the game, then 
it is something that definitely needs attention with regard to 
accessibility. it's a showstopper, so to speak. the same logic can be 
applied to other areas of the game such as is being able to see a 
radar on screen something that will cause a gamer to not be able to 
progress in the game? then that's also a showstopper.

michelle


From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Tue Apr  4 16:19:34 2006
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:19:34 -0400
Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media?  Thanks Richard and Sander
Message-ID: <00c201c65825$17feda10$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>

Thanks Richard for letting me know about an automatic close captioning capability in Windows media or probably all media players I didn't know that before.  I didn't notice close captioning coming up I guess because I had it off did you type in your own close captioning separately also?

I'm still playing with a rough draft of my outline for my documentary but the audio came out decently with your camera so it should be something to look forward to when I get started.  By any chance I could use any of your video clips for my documentary?

Robert

www.RobertFlorio.com 
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Tue Apr  4 16:17:13 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:17:13 +0100
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's - problems
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]><063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <074d01c65824$c3436a40$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Hello Richard,

Could only get to view the interview with Kevin. The others returned "The 
server redirected the player to an invalid location." using Windows Media 
Player.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:08 PM
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's


> Hi,
>
> On http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ you can find some edited video 
> interview capture thingies. We're still messing around with the best 
> method to caption the videos automatically from your browser. It should 
> work now, but we'd really like to hear if subtitles don't work on a 
> system. It should at least work in WinXP with MediaPlayer 10. Please turn 
> on subtitels and make sure you check the subtitle-checkbox in the security 
> settings in Mediaplayer 10 (why did MS put an extra checkbox there for 
> captioning??!).
>
> Oh yeah, we kinda rushed the CC's and I already noticed a couple of 
> mistakes with Kevin's video. Please email me personally if you notice 
> weird things in your captions...
>
> Thanks!
>
> Richard
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> 





From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr  4 16:28:39 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:28:39 +0200
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's - problems
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]><063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<074d01c65824$c3436a40$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <016f01c65826$60ab04e0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

That might be a server issue (the movies are currently on a very very slow 
server)... hope to move them soon before implementing them on the site...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC Video's - problems


> Hello Richard,
>
> Could only get to view the interview with Kevin. The others returned "The 
> server redirected the player to an invalid location." using Windows Media 
> Player.
>
> Barrie
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:08 PM
> Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ you can find some edited 
>> video interview capture thingies. We're still messing around with the 
>> best method to caption the videos automatically from your browser. It 
>> should work now, but we'd really like to hear if subtitles don't work on 
>> a system. It should at least work in WinXP with MediaPlayer 10. Please 
>> turn on subtitels and make sure you check the subtitle-checkbox in the 
>> security settings in Mediaplayer 10 (why did MS put an extra checkbox 
>> there for captioning??!).
>>
>> Oh yeah, we kinda rushed the CC's and I already noticed a couple of 
>> mistakes with Kevin's video. Please email me personally if you notice 
>> weird things in your captions...
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr  4 16:34:32 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:34:32 +0200
Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media?  Thanks Richard and Sander
References: <00c201c65825$17feda10$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>
Message-ID: <017501c65827$2de29270$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hi Robert,

Yes, you preferably have to type close captioning seperately from the movie file (if that's what you mean?). This way you get a seperate text file, which not only makes the information in the video accessible for people with hearing disabilities, but also for the blind-deaf. And the information from your video gets indexed by search enginges such as Google as well!

I don't think it is a problem if you use any of these clips in your documentory. They're meant for public viewing anyway and as long as you don't edit the clips so that Kevin seems to be saying weird things, I'm fine with it. Maybe I check with our financial party, but I don't think they would mind it.... but just to be on the safe side :)

Greets,

Richard
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert Florio 
  To: games_access at igda.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:19 PM
  Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard and Sander


  Thanks Richard for letting me know about an automatic close captioning capability in Windows media or probably all media players I didn't know that before.  I didn't notice close captioning coming up I guess because I had it off did you type in your own close captioning separately also?

  I'm still playing with a rough draft of my outline for my documentary but the audio came out decently with your camera so it should be something to look forward to when I get started.  By any chance I could use any of your video clips for my documentary?

  Robert

  www.RobertFlorio.com 


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From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr  4 16:35:37 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:35:37 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games
References: <049801c6557d$72f37a70$0200a8c0@KELLY> <,
	><001601c6557f$8736f050$8e8b2ed5@Delletje> <,
	><003901c655ab$f160cf60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><fc.00802e9a00cad4bb3b9aca007295d249.cad4c0@netcollaborate.se>	<p0623090dc058756455ad@[192.168.1.102]><011101c65821$fc8d6dd0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<p06230914c05882ac7282@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <017f01c65827$54c4a4a0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Good term: 

The Right To Showstopper!

(sounds like a mondaymorningtoiletaccident)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games


> ok you got me on the wording of that!
> 
>>1) Is the gamer able to play/finish/win the game without sound or is 
>>sound essential (or a critial point) for playing/finishing/winning 
>>the game?*
> 
> so richard's first point was what i was referring to for you, kelly 
> -- if sound is essential to being able to succeed in the game, then 
> it is something that definitely needs attention with regard to 
> accessibility. it's a showstopper, so to speak. the same logic can be 
> applied to other areas of the game such as is being able to see a 
> radar on screen something that will cause a gamer to not be able to 
> progress in the game? then that's also a showstopper.
> 
> michelle
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue Apr  4 16:49:37 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:49:37 -0500
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
In-Reply-To: <138FAB02-9CBC-4F8F-9571-87CF424E3DB5@btinternet.com>
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]>
	<063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<138FAB02-9CBC-4F8F-9571-87CF424E3DB5@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <p06230913c0588047e303@[192.168.1.102]>

Well, using safari, firefox, and IE, I got the 
following variation on this error when clicking 
on the links:

Safari can't open 
"mms://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/michellehinn.wmv?SAMI=http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/michellehinn.smi" 
because Mac OS X doesn't recognize Internet 
addresses starting with "mms:".

So once I retyped with just 
www.accessibility.nl/games/video/michellehinn.wmv 
-- it then let me download the video from each 
browser. it was then I discovered...I didn't have 
MediaPlayer installed on my machine at all!!! 
GASP!!! So Quicktime, Real, and ITunes would not 
handle it...forcing me to...go to the Microsoft 
page and download the MediaPlayer (oh the 
horror!).

Which for some reason wanted me to install it 
using EXCEL!!! $(#*$(@#*$(* -- so I instead 
downloaded:

Windows Media? Components for QuickTime, by 
Flip4Mac?, you can play Windows Media files (.wma 
and .wmv) directly in QuickTime Player and view 
Windows Media content on the Internet using a Web 
browser.

Which didn't allow me to use closed captioning at all...

so i'm still trying to figure out why i can't 
open the bin file for windows media player at 
all...but the videos look great! once i get 
windows media player to open then i'll let you 
know about the captioning!

michelle


>Richard,
>
>OSX Tiger 10.4.6 non-intel WMP 9 supports closed 
>captioning click View, Show Captions
>
>watched the Robert Florio clip fine,
>
>regards
>
>Jonathan Chetwynd
>
>
>
>On 4 Apr 2006, at 20:08, AudioGames.net wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>On http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ you 
>can find some edited video interview capture 
>thingies. We're still messing around with the 
>best method to caption the videos automatically 
>from your browser. It should work now, but we'd 
>really like to hear if subtitles don't work on a 
>system. It should at least work in WinXP with 
>MediaPlayer 10. Please turn on subtitels and 
>make sure you check the subtitle-checkbox in the 
>security settings in Mediaplayer 10 (why did MS 
>put an extra checkbox there for captioning??!).
>
>Oh yeah, we kinda rushed the CC's and I already 
>noticed a couple of mistakes with Kevin's video. 
>Please email me personally if you notice weird 
>things in your captions...
>
>Thanks!
>
>Richard
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue Apr  4 16:50:50 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:50:50 -0500
Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media?  Thanks Richard and Sander
In-Reply-To: <017501c65827$2de29270$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
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and if you make Kevin say weird things, make sure you share it with 
all of us. ;)

>Hi Robert,
>
>Yes, you preferably have to type close captioning seperately from 
>the movie file (if that's what you mean?). This way you get 
>a seperate text file, which not only makes the information in the 
>video accessible for people with hearing disabilities, but also for 
>the blind-deaf. And the information from your video gets indexed by 
>search enginges such as Google as well!
>
>I don't think it is a problem if you use any of these clips in your 
>documentory. They're meant for public viewing anyway and as long as 
>you don't edit the clips so that Kevin seems to be saying weird 
>things, I'm fine with it. Maybe I check with our financial party, 
>but I don't think they would mind it.... but just to be on the safe 
>side :)
>
>Greets,
>
>Richard
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:arthit73 at cablespeed.com>Robert Florio
>To: <mailto:games_access at igda.org>games_access at igda.org
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:19 PM
>Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard and Sander
>
>Thanks Richard for letting me know about an automatic close 
>captioning capability in Windows media or probably all media players 
>I didn't know that before.  I didn't notice close captioning coming 
>up I guess because I had it off did you type in your own close 
>captioning separately also?
>
>I'm still playing with a rough draft of my outline for my 
>documentary but the audio came out decently with your camera so it 
>should be something to look forward to when I get started.  By any 
>chance I could use any of your video clips for my documentary?
>
>Robert
>
><http://www.RobertFlorio.com>www.RobertFlorio.com 
>
>
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue Apr  4 16:51:52 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:51:52 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games
In-Reply-To: <017f01c65827$54c4a4a0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
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	><001601c6557f$8736f050$8e8b2ed5@Delletje> <,
	><003901c655ab$f160cf60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><fc.00802e9a00cad4bb3b9aca007295
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	letje>	<p06230914c05882ac7282@[192.168.1.102]>
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yes...it sounds like something you'd need to call a plumber for...or 
a doctor...

>Good term:
>The Right To Showstopper!
>
>(sounds like a mondaymorningtoiletaccident)
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games
>
>>ok you got me on the wording of that!
>>
>>>1) Is the gamer able to play/finish/win the game without sound or 
>>>is sound essential (or a critial point) for 
>>>playing/finishing/winning the game?*
>>
>>so richard's first point was what i was referring to for you, kelly 
>>-- if sound is essential to being able to succeed in the game, then 
>>it is something that definitely needs attention with regard to 
>>accessibility. it's a showstopper, so to speak. the same logic can 
>>be applied to other areas of the game such as is being able to see 
>>a radar on screen something that will cause a gamer to not be able 
>>to progress in the game? then that's also a showstopper.
>>
>>michelle
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From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr  4 16:52:53 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:52:53 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games
References: <049801c6557d$72f37a70$0200a8c0@KELLY> <,
	><001601c6557f$8736f050$8e8b2ed5@Delletje> <,
	><003901c655ab$f160cf60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><fc.00802e9a00cad4bb3b9aca007295d249.cad4c0@netcollaborate.se><p0623090dc058756455ad@[192.168.1.102]><011101c65821$fc8d6dd0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>	<p06230914c05882ac7282@[192.168.1.102]><017f01c65827$54c4a4a0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
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yeah... ;)

or both...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games


> yes...it sounds like something you'd need to call a plumber for...or 
> a doctor...
> 
>>Good term:
>>The Right To Showstopper!
>>
>>(sounds like a mondaymorningtoiletaccident)
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:13 PM
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games
>>
>>>ok you got me on the wording of that!
>>>
>>>>1) Is the gamer able to play/finish/win the game without sound or 
>>>>is sound essential (or a critial point) for 
>>>>playing/finishing/winning the game?*
>>>
>>>so richard's first point was what i was referring to for you, kelly 
>>>-- if sound is essential to being able to succeed in the game, then 
>>>it is something that definitely needs attention with regard to 
>>>accessibility. it's a showstopper, so to speak. the same logic can 
>>>be applied to other areas of the game such as is being able to see 
>>>a radar on screen something that will cause a gamer to not be able 
>>>to progress in the game? then that's also a showstopper.
>>>
>>>michelle
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> 
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue Apr  4 16:54:48 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:54:48 -0500
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
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oh yeah, this was on a mac, OSX Tiger with on a non-intel powerbook.

>Well, using safari, firefox, and IE, I got the 
>following variation on this error when clicking 
>on the links:
>
>Safari can't open 
>"mms://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/michellehinn.wmv?SAMI=http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/michellehinn.smi" 
>because Mac OS X doesn't recognize Internet 
>addresses starting with "mms:".
>
>So once I retyped with just 
>www.accessibility.nl/games/video/michellehinn.wmv 
>-- it then let me download the video from each 
>browser. it was then I discovered...I didn't 
>have MediaPlayer installed on my machine at 
>all!!! GASP!!! So Quicktime, Real, and ITunes 
>would not handle it...forcing me to...go to the 
>Microsoft page and download the MediaPlayer (oh 
>the horror!).
>
>Which for some reason wanted me to install it 
>using EXCEL!!! $(#*$(@#*$(* -- so I instead 
>downloaded:
>
>Windows Media? Components for QuickTime, by 
>Flip4Mac?, you can play Windows Media files 
>(.wma and .wmv) directly in QuickTime Player and 
>view Windows Media content on the Internet using 
>a Web browser.
>
>Which didn't allow me to use closed captioning at all...
>
>so i'm still trying to figure out why i can't 
>open the bin file for windows media player at 
>all...but the videos look great! once i get 
>windows media player to open then i'll let you 
>know about the captioning!
>
>michelle
>
>
>>Richard,
>>
>>OSX Tiger 10.4.6 non-intel WMP 9 supports 
>>closed captioning click View, Show Captions
>>
>>watched the Robert Florio clip fine,
>>
>>regards
>>
>>Jonathan Chetwynd
>>
>>
>>
>>On 4 Apr 2006, at 20:08, AudioGames.net wrote:
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>On http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ you 
>>can find some edited video interview capture 
>>thingies. We're still messing around with the 
>>best method to caption the videos automatically 
>>from your browser. It should work now, but we'd 
>>really like to hear if subtitles don't work on 
>>a system. It should at least work in WinXP with 
>>MediaPlayer 10. Please turn on subtitels and 
>>make sure you check the subtitle-checkbox in 
>>the security settings in Mediaplayer 10 (why 
>>did MS put an extra checkbox there for 
>>captioning??!).
>>
>>Oh yeah, we kinda rushed the CC's and I already 
>>noticed a couple of mistakes with Kevin's 
>>video. Please email me personally if you notice 
>>weird things in your captions...
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Richard
>>
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Tue Apr  4 16:55:12 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:55:12 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games (Reasons to be cheerful -
	part 3.)
References: <052c01c65661$eda667c0$0200a8c0@KELLY>
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Top 3 Accessibility Features.

I would still advocate the pick-and-mix idea but I think the following can 
apply to most games...


1. Adjustable difficulty level.
2. User definable controls.
3. Sound options.


1. Adjustable difficulty level. E.g. Menu option graded from 1 ("Easiest") 
and perhaps 5 ("Hardest"). Make the "Easiest" extremely easy in comparison 
to the middle difficulty setting. More advanced would be to include speed 
controls over the entire game.

2. User definable controls. At the most basic, allowing you to redefine each 
and every function to any available control. More advanced would be 
considering simplified control methods; Digital only play; Lock on/off 
functions for gamers unable to hold buttons down for prolonged periods; 
Rapid-fire options if appropriate.

3. Sound options. Most basic would be separate volume controls for both 
sound and music. More advanced would be subtitles leading to Closed 
Captioning.


With a new Retro Remakes (www.retroremakes.co.uk) game programming 
competition looming, it would be great to get something easy to understand 
available for the programmers, as they'll almost all be indies...

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "K" <k at kellyrued.net>
To: <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Top 3 for indie games


> >To only limit to three top three accessible features is very difficult 
> >each
>>game requires a different adjustable accessible features to make the game
>>play fluid and make sense.  I would definitely agree with that I think
>>Richard is saying.
>
> Thanks Robert and Richard. Definitely, I didn't mean to say it would be 
> easy
> to prioritize only 3 things to work for all indie games, but I guess I was
> hoping to know what accessibility problems are the most common and then 
> from
> that, which features have the biggest impact (hopefully limiting to 3, 
> maybe
> 4). Where is the top 10 list online? I would love to see that, maybe it 
> will
> be do-able for our titles to cover your top 10. I think the main thing I 
> was
> hoping to talk about was that the articles and lists I've read in the past
> have all been very comprehensive (many ideas too expensive for us to
> realistically tackle all at once) or very focused on one accessibility 
> issue
> or another (such as audio accessibility). Having a "top anything" list 
> would
> help sort that out (for me anyways).
>
> It's hard for someone unfamiliar with the overall issues to know what is 
> the
> best thing to start with or try to implement if it applies to your game 
> (as
> designers, every indie team will be able to judge for themselves if one of
> the "top 3" doesn't apply to their game, but assuming a large, full 
> featured
> PC title vs a small casual game- say an mmorpg or an fps title- I'm 
> curious
> which accessibility features are must-haves).
>
> And it is very possible there is a basic set of more like 10 features than 
> 3
> that really NEED to be considered. But asking for priorities is my way of
> saying "we want to do this, but we know we can't afford a whole lot right
> now, something in the 80-120 programmer hours range would be realistic).
>
>>1) Reconfigurable controls
>>2) Difficulty/speed options
>>3) Closed Captioning
>>4) Scalable fonts/UI
>
> Thanks, Tim. It occurs to me that reconfigurable controls could mean a
> number of things- can someone suggest an article for more information? 
> Also,
> is anyone working on a game designer's checklist so someone like me could 
> go
> through my game using a WS and really understand which features would 
> cause
> accessibility problems for particular players and what options there are 
> to
> remedy those problems? I like reading the papers about accessibility but
> like most devs am usually in crunch or something like it (heh) and don't
> have time to really see the forest for the trees (and many papers in this
> field are about case studies (trees) rather than spelling out what a
> developer needs to do to start helping fix things). It feels like we 
> almost
> need to hire a contractor who specializes in this stuff to sort out what
> issues would be in our game because I know I'm not familiar with the full
> range of accessibility problems in games and the range of options we have
> for fixing them. For instance, I've heard about color-blindness and issues
> with contrast but am not certain how people go about fixing these problems
> in a 3D world.
>
> Also, is there an active group of accessibility testers anywhere (a gaming
> league or anything that has volunteers representative of various
> accessibility issues willing to test products). I think that would be a 
> cool
> resource and that companies would be willing to pay for such a service if 
> it
> was reasonably priced (which could in turn pay the testers, so I guess 
> they
> need not even be volunteering). If not, I will do as suggested and recruit
> on lists and forums for individuals. On our adult game, Rapture Online, we
> have already been contacted by two people who wrote that they are disabled
> and looking forward to our mature erotic game *because* it will let them 
> do
> things they are unable to do physically in RL, and that is actually what
> sparked my interest in accessibility. :)
>
> Thanks for your feedback!
>
> Kelly
>
> www.isergames.com
> www.blackloveinteractive.com
>
>
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue Apr  4 17:37:59 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:37:59 -0500
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
In-Reply-To: <138FAB02-9CBC-4F8F-9571-87CF424E3DB5@btinternet.com>
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]>
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ok, after working through all the ridiculous things on the laptop 
that were opening the wrong program (excel!) to unstuff the media 
player, i was also able to successfully view the videos with 
captionings with mac WMP 9 by just selecting view, show captions. all 
of the videos worked for me with the captioning. i didn't watch them 
for accuracy in the transcription yet but just made sure that they 
all worked.

so the lesson is...uh, be prepared for any mishaps when trying to 
install WMP on a mac. ;)

michelle

>Richard,
>
>OSX Tiger 10.4.6 non-intel WMP 9 supports closed captioning click 
>View, Show Captions
>
>watched the Robert Florio clip fine,
>
>regards
>
>Jonathan Chetwynd
>
>
>
>On 4 Apr 2006, at 20:08, AudioGames.net wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>On http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ you can find some edited 
>video interview capture thingies. We're still messing around with 
>the best method to caption the videos automatically from your 
>browser. It should work now, but we'd really like to hear if 
>subtitles don't work on a system. It should at least work in WinXP 
>with MediaPlayer 10. Please turn on subtitels and make sure you 
>check the subtitle-checkbox in the security settings in Mediaplayer 
>10 (why did MS put an extra checkbox there for captioning??!).
>
>Oh yeah, we kinda rushed the CC's and I already noticed a couple of 
>mistakes with Kevin's video. Please email me personally if you 
>notice weird things in your captions...
>
>Thanks!
>
>Richard
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr  4 17:40:10 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:40:10 +0200
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]><063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><138FAB02-9CBC-4F8F-9571-87CF424E3DB5@btinternet.com>
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Message-ID: <020601c65830$5937ee30$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Great!!!!!!!

Now, what do you all think of the videos?  We all look so tired (I know I'm 
not in any of these video's but the picture of my posing in the group shot 
that Thomas sent was enough ;)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC Video's


> ok, after working through all the ridiculous things on the laptop that 
> were opening the wrong program (excel!) to unstuff the media player, i was 
> also able to successfully view the videos with captionings with mac WMP 9 
> by just selecting view, show captions. all of the videos worked for me 
> with the captioning. i didn't watch them for accuracy in the transcription 
> yet but just made sure that they all worked.
>
> so the lesson is...uh, be prepared for any mishaps when trying to install 
> WMP on a mac. ;)
>
> michelle
>
>>Richard,
>>
>>OSX Tiger 10.4.6 non-intel WMP 9 supports closed captioning click View, 
>>Show Captions
>>
>>watched the Robert Florio clip fine,
>>
>>regards
>>
>>Jonathan Chetwynd
>>
>>
>>
>>On 4 Apr 2006, at 20:08, AudioGames.net wrote:
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>On http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ you can find some edited video 
>>interview capture thingies. We're still messing around with the best 
>>method to caption the videos automatically from your browser. It should 
>>work now, but we'd really like to hear if subtitles don't work on a 
>>system. It should at least work in WinXP with MediaPlayer 10. Please turn 
>>on subtitels and make sure you check the subtitle-checkbox in the security 
>>settings in Mediaplayer 10 (why did MS put an extra checkbox there for 
>>captioning??!).
>>
>>Oh yeah, we kinda rushed the CC's and I already noticed a couple of 
>>mistakes with Kevin's video. Please email me personally if you notice 
>>weird things in your captions...
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
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> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue Apr  4 17:58:11 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:58:11 -0500
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
In-Reply-To: <020601c65830$5937ee30$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]><063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@One
	Switch><00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><138FAB02-9CBC-4F8F-9571-8
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Message-ID: <p06230920c0589afa24bd@[192.168.1.102]>

The videos were great with regard to content! Oh I would add that i'm 
chair of the IGDA Game Accessibility SIG just to remove confusion of 
what SIG we're talking about (you know, in case someone thinks it's 
the game accessibility SIG of the united nations or ford motor 
company!?!). ;)

I like the removal of all the "ummmmmmms" and swaying that we were 
all probably doing to keep from passing out due to exhaustion. ;) 
yes, that is definitely not me at my most "awake" but what can you 
do? It just shows that we are so committed to game accessibility that 
we exhaust ourselves trying to get the message out!

maybe we'll all have a game accessibility conference at a relaxation 
spa on some nice island and then we'll look more awake in version two 
of the videos? Any votes for location?

>Great!!!!!!!
>
>Now, what do you all think of the videos?  We all look so tired (I 
>know I'm not in any of these video's but the picture of my posing in 
>the group shot that Thomas sent was enough ;)
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:37 PM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC Video's
>
>>ok, after working through all the ridiculous things on the laptop 
>>that were opening the wrong program (excel!) to unstuff the media 
>>player, i was also able to successfully view the videos with 
>>captionings with mac WMP 9 by just selecting view, show captions. 
>>all of the videos worked for me with the captioning. i didn't watch 
>>them for accuracy in the transcription yet but just made sure that 
>>they all worked.
>>
>>so the lesson is...uh, be prepared for any mishaps when trying to 
>>install WMP on a mac. ;)
>>
>>michelle
>>
>>>Richard,
>>>
>>>OSX Tiger 10.4.6 non-intel WMP 9 supports closed captioning click 
>>>View, Show Captions
>>>
>>>watched the Robert Florio clip fine,
>>>
>>>regards
>>>
>>>Jonathan Chetwynd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 4 Apr 2006, at 20:08, AudioGames.net wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>On http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ you can find some 
>>>edited video interview capture thingies. We're still messing 
>>>around with the best method to caption the videos automatically 
>>>from your browser. It should work now, but we'd really like to 
>>>hear if subtitles don't work on a system. It should at least work 
>>>in WinXP with MediaPlayer 10. Please turn on subtitels and make 
>>>sure you check the subtitle-checkbox in the security settings in 
>>>Mediaplayer 10 (why did MS put an extra checkbox there for 
>>>captioning??!).
>>>
>>>Oh yeah, we kinda rushed the CC's and I already noticed a couple 
>>>of mistakes with Kevin's video. Please email me personally if you 
>>>notice weird things in your captions...
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>Richard
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
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From rkimball at gmail.com  Tue Apr  4 17:58:28 2006
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:58:28 -0700
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
In-Reply-To: <020601c65830$5937ee30$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@192.168.1.102>
	<063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<138FAB02-9CBC-4F8F-9571-87CF424E3DB5@btinternet.com>
	<p0623091fc0589672150f@192.168.1.102>
	<020601c65830$5937ee30$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0604041458q7996ff41x4683bb3d995bc468@mail.gmail.com>

I was able to watch all the videos with CC turned on. It looks great.
Thanks for doing the videos. I also would like to have a copy of my
interview to post on my website, so let me know when you find out if
that's OK.

-Reid

On 4/4/06, AudioGames.net <richard at audiogames.net> wrote:
> Great!!!!!!!
>
> Now, what do you all think of the videos?  We all look so tired (I know I'm
> not in any of these video's but the picture of my posing in the group shot
> that Thomas sent was enough ;)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC Video's
>
>
> > ok, after working through all the ridiculous things on the laptop that
> > were opening the wrong program (excel!) to unstuff the media player, i was
> > also able to successfully view the videos with captionings with mac WMP 9
> > by just selecting view, show captions. all of the videos worked for me
> > with the captioning. i didn't watch them for accuracy in the transcription
> > yet but just made sure that they all worked.
> >
> > so the lesson is...uh, be prepared for any mishaps when trying to install
> > WMP on a mac. ;)
> >
> > michelle
> >
> >>Richard,
> >>
> >>OSX Tiger 10.4.6 non-intel WMP 9 supports closed captioning click View,
> >>Show Captions
> >>
> >>watched the Robert Florio clip fine,
> >>
> >>regards
> >>
> >>Jonathan Chetwynd
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On 4 Apr 2006, at 20:08, AudioGames.net wrote:
> >>
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>On http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ you can find some edited video
> >>interview capture thingies. We're still messing around with the best
> >>method to caption the videos automatically from your browser. It should
> >>work now, but we'd really like to hear if subtitles don't work on a
> >>system. It should at least work in WinXP with MediaPlayer 10. Please turn
> >>on subtitels and make sure you check the subtitle-checkbox in the security
> >>settings in Mediaplayer 10 (why did MS put an extra checkbox there for
> >>captioning??!).
> >>
> >>Oh yeah, we kinda rushed the CC's and I already noticed a couple of
> >>mistakes with Kevin's video. Please email me personally if you notice
> >>weird things in your captions...
> >>
> >>Thanks!
> >>
> >>Richard
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>games_access mailing list
> >>games_access at igda.org
> >>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >>games_access at igda.org
> >>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > games_access mailing list
> > games_access at igda.org
> > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
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>


From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr  4 18:16:19 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:16:19 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Another list...
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]><063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><138FAB02-9CBC-4F8F-9571-87CF424E3DB5@btinternet.com>	<p0623091fc0589672150f@[192.168.1.102]><020601c65830$5937ee30$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<p06230920c0589afa24bd@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <022c01c65835$66896870$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hi,

I've had an idea for some time which I'd like to share with you... it is 
something I would like to do for the "Game Accessibility"-project originally 
but it is something we could also do together with the SIG and share the 
results.

We've talked about several Top10 lists this (last) week, one of which was a 
list of features that game developers are already using in their games. I 
would like to make a list (not a Top10, but hopefully a huge list) of 
developers that are making accessible games or making games accessible to 
some degree. For example, in one of the movies there is John from Flying Lab 
Software, in which he explains how they are conciously doing something with 
accessibility in their game. I would like to have a list of such companies. 
Not only to praise these companies and give them a bit of spotlight for 
their efforts, but to set an example for other developers ("You Too Could Be 
On This List...!" and hopefully to get companies in contact with each other 
so that they can look at each others work and share knowledge.

What do you think?

Richard (who yesterday made a one-switch game for fun in less than 15 
minutes ;)

http://www.audiogames.net 



From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr  4 18:24:57 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:24:57 +0200
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]><063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><138FAB02-9CBC-4F8F-9571-87CF424E3DB5@btinternet.com>	<p0623091fc0589672150f@[192.168.1.102]><020601c65830$5937ee30$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<p06230920c0589afa24bd@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <023801c65836$9ad9ef90$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

> The videos were great with regard to content! Oh I would add that i'm 
> chair of the IGDA Game Accessibility SIG just to remove confusion of what 
> SIG we're talking about (you know, in case someone thinks it's the game 
> accessibility SIG of the united nations or ford motor company!?!). ;)

You know, someone being called a chair is really odd when english is not 
your native language...


> maybe we'll all have a game accessibility conference at a relaxation spa 
> on some nice island and then we'll look more awake in version two of the 
> videos? Any votes for location?

Mmm, I heard Costa Rica is nice... ;)



From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr  4 18:38:04 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:38:04 +0200
Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media?  Thanks Richard and Sander
References: <00c201c65825$17feda10$6401a8c0@CYXKG51><017501c65827$2de29270$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<p06230918c0588c7dbf7c@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <029c01c65838$70465c30$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Re: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard anoh, you all just wait... Sander and I have got hours of cool material we will soon release to the SIG... stuff like drunk people saying Slecht Stukje, drunk people saying uhuhuhuh alot, drunk people screaming and throwing straws all over tables (wait, that was me, right?)... err... you'll see... :)


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: d. michelle hinn 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard and Sander


  and if you make Kevin say weird things, make sure you share it with all of us. ;)


    Hi Robert,

    Yes, you preferably have to type close captioning seperately from the movie file (if that's what you mean?). This way you get a seperate text file, which not only makes the information in the video accessible for people with hearing disabilities, but also for the blind-deaf. And the information from your video gets indexed by search enginges such as Google as well!

    I don't think it is a problem if you use any of these clips in your documentory. They're meant for public viewing anyway and as long as you don't edit the clips so that Kevin seems to be saying weird things, I'm fine with it. Maybe I check with our financial party, but I don't think they would mind it.... but just to be on the safe side :)

    Greets,

    Richard

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Robert Florio
      To: games_access at igda.org
      Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:19 PM
      Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard and Sander


      Thanks Richard for letting me know about an automatic close captioning capability in Windows media or probably all media players I didn't know that before.  I didn't notice close captioning coming up I guess because I had it off did you type in your own close captioning separately also?

      I'm still playing with a rough draft of my outline for my documentary but the audio came out decently with your camera so it should be something to look forward to when I get started.  By any chance I could use any of your video clips for my documentary?

      Robert

      www.RobertFlorio.com 


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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue Apr  4 18:47:20 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:47:20 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Another list...
In-Reply-To: <022c01c65835$66896870$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]><063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@One
	Switch><00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><138FAB02-9CBC-4F8F-9571-8
	7CF424E3DB5@btinternet.com>
	<p0623091fc0589672150f@[192.168.1.102]><020601c65830$5937ee30$8e8b2ed5@Del
	letje>	<p06230920c0589afa24bd@[192.168.1.102]>
	<022c01c65835$66896870$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <p06230923c058a28febc7@[192.168.1.102]>

i think that sounds great and goes along with the "positive press 
release" idea about putting out press releases when we've seen a 
company do something accessibility-positive in their games. i think 
it would be a great joint project and one that i can see us 
recruiting other game accessibility groups into the promotion of it. 
it would also work well with the mobygames/accessibility features 
present in games project.

since you guys have funders to answer to, it probably makes sense if 
you host it on your site and then we link to it from ours and call it 
a collaborative project so that we can devote sig time to updates on 
the project. ok, that was way too much info on that kind of "where 
stuff goes and who we credit" type stuff -- we're all on the same 
team, after all and all of us are in the SIG! :) but it's great to 
have lots of joint stuff going on because it only makes all of our 
efforts stronger!

michelle

>Hi,
>
>I've had an idea for some time which I'd like to share with you... 
>it is something I would like to do for the "Game 
>Accessibility"-project originally but it is something we could also 
>do together with the SIG and share the results.
>
>We've talked about several Top10 lists this (last) week, one of 
>which was a list of features that game developers are already using 
>in their games. I would like to make a list (not a Top10, but 
>hopefully a huge list) of developers that are making accessible 
>games or making games accessible to some degree. For example, in one 
>of the movies there is John from Flying Lab Software, in which he 
>explains how they are conciously doing something with accessibility 
>in their game. I would like to have a list of such companies. Not 
>only to praise these companies and give them a bit of spotlight for 
>their efforts, but to set an example for other developers ("You Too 
>Could Be On This List...!" and hopefully to get companies in contact 
>with each other so that they can look at each others work and share 
>knowledge.
>
>What do you think?
>
>Richard (who yesterday made a one-switch game for fun in less than 
>15 minutes ;)
>
>http://www.audiogames.net
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From agdev at thechases.com  Tue Apr  4 18:48:28 2006
From: agdev at thechases.com (Tim Chase)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:48:28 -0500
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
In-Reply-To: <023801c65836$9ad9ef90$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]><063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><138FAB02-9CBC-4F8F-9571-87CF424E3DB5@btinternet.com>	<p0623091fc0589672150f@[192.168.1.102]><020601c65830$5937ee30$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>	<p06230920c0589afa24bd@[192.168.1.102]>
	<023801c65836$9ad9ef90$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <4432F7BC.9060704@thechases.com>

>> maybe we'll all have a game accessibility conference at
>>  a relaxation spa on some nice island and then we'll 
>> look more awake in version two of the videos? Any votes
>>  for location?
> 
> Mmm, I heard Costa Rica is nice... ;)

I can second that...lived in Costa Rica for a semester as an
exchange-student in high-school.  There's this nice hotel at
the base of Volcan Arenal...an active volcano that has a
great view at night (if it's not cloud-covered) as lava
burps and boils out of the cone.  It heats the springs and
pools owned by the hotel.  I'm not sure how much work would
get done if everybody was just hangin' out in the water all
day, but it's fun none the less...Very relaxing... :)

-tim






From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue Apr  4 18:57:36 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:57:36 -0500
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
In-Reply-To: <023801c65836$9ad9ef90$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]><063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@One
	Switch><00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><138FAB02-9CBC-4F8F-9571-8
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	<p0623091fc0589672150f@[192.168.1.102]><020601c65830$5937ee30$8e8b2ed5@Del
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	<023801c65836$9ad9ef90$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <p06230925c058a95782b4@[192.168.1.102]>

>>The videos were great with regard to content! Oh I would add that 
>>i'm chair of the IGDA Game Accessibility SIG just to remove 
>>confusion of what SIG we're talking about (you know, in case 
>>someone thinks it's the game accessibility SIG of the united 
>>nations or ford motor company!?!). ;)
>
>You know, someone being called a chair is really odd when english is 
>not your native language...

Chairperson? Yeah, chair is a weird term anyway. So I'm a piece of 
furniture that everyone in the SIG sits on? Ok, no one go any further 
with this...let's stick with chairperson. :)

>>maybe we'll all have a game accessibility conference at a 
>>relaxation spa on some nice island and then we'll look more awake 
>>in version two of the videos? Any votes for location?
>
>Mmm, I heard Costa Rica is nice... ;)

And easy to get to from Holland I hear! Ok, to make Sander happy that 
it's not another MSN meeting, let's all meet up in San Jose, Costa 
Rica for the next meeting. See you there!

Michelle
Couch, IGDA Game Accessibility SIG


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue Apr  4 19:14:25 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 18:14:25 -0500
Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media?  Thanks Richard and Sander
In-Reply-To: <029c01c65838$70465c30$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <00c201c65825$17feda10$6401a8c0@CYXKG51><017501c65827$2de29270$8e8b2ed5@De
	lletje>	<p06230918c0588c7dbf7c@[192.168.1.102]>
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oh no...i'm, uh, looking forward to it...

yes, you are the straw thrower.

>oh, you all just wait... Sander and I have got hours of cool 
>material we will soon release to the SIG... stuff like drunk people 
>saying Slecht Stukje, drunk people saying uhuhuhuh alot, drunk 
>people screaming and throwing straws all over tables (wait, that was 
>me, right?)... err... you'll see... :)
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:hinn at uiuc.edu>d. michelle hinn
>To: <mailto:games_access at igda.org>IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard and Sander
>
>and if you make Kevin say weird things, make sure you share it with 
>all of us. ;)
>
>>Hi Robert,
>>
>
>
>Yes, you preferably have to type close captioning seperately from 
>the movie file (if that's what you mean?). This way you get 
>a seperate text file, which not only makes the information in the 
>video accessible for people with hearing disabilities, but also for 
>the blind-deaf. And the information from your video gets indexed by 
>search enginges such as Google as well!
>
>
>
>I don't think it is a problem if you use any of these clips in your 
>documentory. They're meant for public viewing anyway and as long as 
>you don't edit the clips so that Kevin seems to be saying weird 
>things, I'm fine with it. Maybe I check with our financial party, 
>but I don't think they would mind it.... but just to be on the safe 
>side :)
>
>
>
>Greets,
>
>
>
>Richard
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:arthit73 at cablespeed.com>Robert Florio
>
>To: <mailto:games_access at igda.org>games_access at igda.org
>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:19 PM
>
>Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard and Sander
>
>
>Thanks Richard for letting me know about an automatic close 
>captioning capability in Windows media or probably all media players 
>I didn't know that before.  I didn't notice close captioning coming 
>up I guess because I had it off did you type in your own close 
>captioning separately also?
>
>
>
>I'm still playing with a rough draft of my outline for my 
>documentary but the audio came out decently with your camera so it 
>should be something to look forward to when I get started.  By any 
>chance I could use any of your video clips for my documentary?
>
>
>
>Robert
>
>
>
><http://www.RobertFlorio.com>www.RobertFlorio.com 
>
>
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>games_access at igda.org
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>
>
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>
>
>
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue Apr  4 19:47:41 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 18:47:41 -0500
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
In-Reply-To: <4432F7BC.9060704@thechases.com>
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]><063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@One
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>>>maybe we'll all have a game accessibility conference at
>>>  a relaxation spa on some nice island and then we'll look more 
>>>awake in version two of the videos? Any votes
>>>  for location?
>>
>>Mmm, I heard Costa Rica is nice... ;)
>
>I can second that...lived in Costa Rica for a semester as an
>exchange-student in high-school.  There's this nice hotel at
>the base of Volcan Arenal...an active volcano that has a
>great view at night (if it's not cloud-covered) as lava
>burps and boils out of the cone.  It heats the springs and
>pools owned by the hotel.  I'm not sure how much work would
>get done if everybody was just hangin' out in the water all
>day, but it's fun none the less...Very relaxing... :)

I knew we should have gone to Miami to rescue Richard and Sander from 
going to the wrong San Jose! Ok, so the GDC wouldn't have been as 
successful without us attending our sessions...

Ok so it's decided -- next GA SIG meeting is in San Jose -- the one 
in Costa Rica. Or at least we'll pretend we're all there. Anyone have 
any SPF 6000 that they could pass me for my ultra non-tan skin? Or 
"bleek" as the Dutch would say (is that it? did I learn another word 
for real?)

The GA SIG -- where all the best fun ideas come from! :)

Michelle
Table, IGDA GA SIG


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue Apr  4 20:33:54 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 19:33:54 -0500
Subject: [games_access] gdc images
In-Reply-To: <fc.00802e9a00cad4a300802e9a00cad4a3.cad4a7@netcollaborate.se>
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oh my...my eyes in most of the pix...was i possessed during gdc or 
what???? hehehehe. now the secret's out!

michelle

>Hi all
>
>whew, busy week after GDC, finally starting to catch up
>
>here are some pictures from the tutorial day
><http://www.pininteractive.com/_ftpupload/images/gdc2006.zip>http://www.pininteractive.com/_ftpupload/images/gdc2006.zip
>
>FYI: voted for Michelle yesterday
>
>/Thomas
>
>Pin Interactive AB <http://www.pininteractive.com>www.pininteractive.com
>MSN ID:  <mailto:thomas at pininteractive.com>thomas at pininteractive.com
>Skype ID: thomaswestin
>Time zone: CET (GMT+1, PST+9)
>____________________________________________________
>Award Winning 3D Game for Blind and Sighted: 
><http://www.terraformers.nu>www.terraformers.nu 
>IGDA Game Accessibility SIG 
><http://www.igda.org/accessibility/>www.igda.org/accessibility/ 
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From rkimball at gmail.com  Tue Apr  4 21:01:04 2006
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 18:01:04 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Another list...
In-Reply-To: <022c01c65835$66896870$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@192.168.1.102>
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I bet Valve Software wouldn't mind being listed as a developer. I've
already done one interview with them. I'm supposed to email them to
get in touch with the person that spearheaded the goal to close
caption HL2. I'd like to interview that person to find out what it
took to convince the design team that adding CC was necessary.

Also, I heard from friends at Ritual Entertainment, that their SiN
Episodes will have full CC as well. In fact they are required to test
the game with CC on to make sure it works properly.

It'd be nice if we could do interviews with the developers and let
them talk about why and how they are adding accessibility to their
games.

-Reid

On 4/4/06, AudioGames.net <richard at audiogames.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've had an idea for some time which I'd like to share with you... it is
> something I would like to do for the "Game Accessibility"-project originally
> but it is something we could also do together with the SIG and share the
> results.
>
> We've talked about several Top10 lists this (last) week, one of which was a
> list of features that game developers are already using in their games. I
> would like to make a list (not a Top10, but hopefully a huge list) of
> developers that are making accessible games or making games accessible to
> some degree. For example, in one of the movies there is John from Flying Lab
> Software, in which he explains how they are conciously doing something with
> accessibility in their game. I would like to have a list of such companies.
> Not only to praise these companies and give them a bit of spotlight for
> their efforts, but to set an example for other developers ("You Too Could Be
> On This List...!" and hopefully to get companies in contact with each other
> so that they can look at each others work and share knowledge.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Richard (who yesterday made a one-switch game for fun in less than 15
> minutes ;)
>
> http://www.audiogames.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Wed Apr  5 02:22:51 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:22:51 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Another list...
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]><063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><138FAB02-9CBC-4F8F-9571-87CF424E3DB5@btinternet.com>	<p0623091fc0589672150f@[192.168.1.102]><020601c65830$5937ee30$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><p06230920c0589afa24bd@[192.168.1.102]>
	<022c01c65835$66896870$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <086401c65879$5dec9270$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Great idea! Would you make a distinction between independents and 
main-stream developers - or bundle everyone together? Also, would the list 
be populated by developers deliberately making their games more accessible 
for disabled gamers, or accidentally?

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:16 PM
Subject: [games_access] Another list...


> Hi,
>
> I've had an idea for some time which I'd like to share with you... it is 
> something I would like to do for the "Game Accessibility"-project 
> originally but it is something we could also do together with the SIG and 
> share the results.
>
> We've talked about several Top10 lists this (last) week, one of which was 
> a list of features that game developers are already using in their games. 
> I would like to make a list (not a Top10, but hopefully a huge list) of 
> developers that are making accessible games or making games accessible to 
> some degree. For example, in one of the movies there is John from Flying 
> Lab Software, in which he explains how they are conciously doing something 
> with accessibility in their game. I would like to have a list of such 
> companies. Not only to praise these companies and give them a bit of 
> spotlight for their efforts, but to set an example for other developers 
> ("You Too Could Be On This List...!" and hopefully to get companies in 
> contact with each other so that they can look at each others work and 
> share knowledge.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Richard (who yesterday made a one-switch game for fun in less than 15 
> minutes ;)
>
> http://www.audiogames.net
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> 





From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Wed Apr  5 02:49:51 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:49:51 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Centralised point for GDC 2006 presentations...
Message-ID: <089301c6587d$248ffbd0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Fascinating looking through the presentations and thoughts on the GDC week. A fair few bleary faces in there!

Is there a centralised point yet to find our information?


I'm aware of these so far:

http://www.pininteractive.com/_ftpupload/images/gdc2006.zip - Photos
http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ - Videos (temporary)

http://tim.thechases.com/top10_2.pdf - Top 10 list
http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com/ - Closed Captioning presentation and write ups
http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/ARTICLES/physical-barriers.htm - Physical Barriers
http://www.csd.uoc.gr/~jgeorgal/GDC/GDC06_jgeorgal.ppt - Universal Access (HCI Lab)



Once it's there, it would be good to promote this again to developers.
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Apr  5 02:59:43 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 01:59:43 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Centralised point for GDC 2006 presentations...
In-Reply-To: <089301c6587d$248ffbd0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
References: <089301c6587d$248ffbd0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <p06230948c0591a8e0b53@[192.168.1.102]>

I agree Barrie -- this weekend i'll make a nice summary page on the 
Wiki with the different powerpoints, including my own! :) My week's 
been full of catching up still! The wiki pages we were using to plan 
for gdc will be turned into the central location point for our 
presentations and pictures (well, some of the pictures...)

Jason at IGDA said he'd make a note of it once it's all up there and 
then we can also send it to all our business card contacts from the 
GDC.

Yes, GDC was a super fun but super exhausting time -- hopefully we'll 
make GDC Europe the same fun but super exhausting time. :)

>Fascinating looking through the presentations and thoughts on the 
>GDC week. A fair few bleary faces in there!
>
>Is there a centralised point yet to find our information?
>
>
>I'm aware of these so far:
>
><http://www.pininteractive.com/_ftpupload/images/gdc2006.zip>http://www.pininteractive.com/_ftpupload/images/gdc2006.zip - 
>Photos
><http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/>http://www.accessibility.nl/games/video/ - 
>Videos (temporary)
>
><http://tim.thechases.com/top10_2.pdf>http://tim.thechases.com/top10_2.pdf - 
>Top 10 list
><http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com/>http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com/ - 
>Closed Captioning presentation and write ups
><http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/ARTICLES/physical-barriers.htm>http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/ARTICLES/physical-barriers.htm - 
>Physical Barriers
><http://www.csd.uoc.gr/~jgeorgal/GDC/GDC06_jgeorgal.ppt>http://www.csd.uoc.gr/~jgeorgal/GDC/GDC06_jgeorgal.ppt - 
>Universal Access (HCI Lab)
>
>
>
>Once it's there, it would be good to promote this again to developers.
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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From news at ebass.nl  Wed Apr  5 03:55:23 2006
From: news at ebass.nl (Sander Huiberts)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:55:23 +0200
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
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Just for the Mac-people:

Microsoft has left the OSX platform on it's own, the Media Player 9 is 
discontinued. They gave the codecs to flip4mac, a Quicktime plugin that 
supports wmv.
http://www.flip4mac.com/pr_06_01_10a.htm
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/wmcomponents.mspx

Sander


From news at ebass.nl  Wed Apr  5 03:58:29 2006
From: news at ebass.nl (Sander Huiberts)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:58:29 +0200
Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media?  Thanks Richard and Sander
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Apr  5 04:15:53 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 03:15:53 -0500
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
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	Switch><00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><138FAB02-9CBC-4F8F-9571-8
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	letje>	<p06230920c0589afa24bd@[192.168.1.102]>
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yeah, i tried the flip4mac plug in but i couln't see the captioning 
(maybe there's something i was missing though?). but everything 
worked fine with the media player 9, discontinued or not! :)

>Just for the Mac-people:
>
>Microsoft has left the OSX platform on it's own, the Media Player 9 
>is discontinued. They gave the codecs to flip4mac, a Quicktime 
>plugin that supports wmv.
>http://www.flip4mac.com/pr_06_01_10a.htm
>http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/wmcomponents.mspx
>
>Sander
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Apr  5 04:18:18 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 03:18:18 -0500
Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media?  Thanks Richard and Sander
In-Reply-To: <443378A5.4010305@ebass.nl>
References: <00c201c65825$17feda10$6401a8c0@CYXKG51><017501c65827$2de29270$8e8b2ed5@De
	lletje>	<p06230918c0588c7dbf7c@[192.168.1.102]>
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don't forget to add a paypal link to it so that you get all the 
donations for such an award winning "best of" (or is that the "worst 
of") gdc ga sig video. and throw in a nice slide show into it too 
with cheezy music in the back of it...either that or the music from 
coffee: the musical!

>Well, richard....hours????
>We could sell it on a site, but what will we do with all the money 
>we will earn?
>:)
>
>But getting all the uhhhms out into one new movie would be great. 
>The uhm-movie.
>
>s.
>
>d. michelle hinn schreef:
>
>>Re: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard an
>>oh no...i'm, uh, looking forward to it...
>>
>>yes, you are the straw thrower.
>>
>>>oh, you all just wait... Sander and I have got hours of cool 
>>>material we will soon release to the SIG... stuff like drunk 
>>>people saying Slecht Stukje, drunk people saying uhuhuhuh alot, 
>>>drunk people screaming and throwing straws all over tables (wait, 
>>>that was me, right?)... err... you'll see... :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>From: <mailto:hinn at uiuc.edu>d. michelle hinn
>>>
>>>To: <mailto:games_access at igda.org>IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:50 PM
>>>
>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard and Sander
>>>
>>>
>>>and if you make Kevin say weird things, make sure you share it 
>>>with all of us. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Robert,
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, you preferably have to type close captioning seperately from 
>>>the movie file (if that's what you mean?). This way you get 
>>>a seperate text file, which not only makes the information in the 
>>>video accessible for people with hearing disabilities, but also 
>>>for the blind-deaf. And the information from your video gets 
>>>indexed by search enginges such as Google as well!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't think it is a problem if you use any of these clips in 
>>>your documentory. They're meant for public viewing anyway and as 
>>>long as you don't edit the clips so that Kevin seems to be saying 
>>>weird things, I'm fine with it. Maybe I check with our financial 
>>>party, but I don't think they would mind it.... but just to be on 
>>>the safe side :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Greets,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Richard
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>From: <mailto:arthit73 at cablespeed.com>Robert Florio
>>>
>>>To: <mailto:games_access at igda.org>games_access at igda.org
>>>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:19 PM
>>>
>>>Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard and Sander
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks Richard for letting me know about an automatic close 
>>>captioning capability in Windows media or probably all media 
>>>players I didn't know that before.  I didn't notice close 
>>>captioning coming up I guess because I had it off did you type in 
>>>your own close captioning separately also?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm still playing with a rough draft of my outline for my 
>>>documentary but the audio came out decently with your camera so it 
>>>should be something to look forward to when I get started.  By any 
>>>chance I could use any of your video clips for my documentary?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Robert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><http://www.RobertFlorio.com>www.RobertFlorio.com 
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>><mailto:games_access at igda.org>games_access at igda.org
>>><http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>><mailto:games_access at igda.org>games_access at igda.org
>>><http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>><mailto:games_access at igda.org>games_access at igda.org
>>><http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>><mailto:games_access at igda.org>games_access at igda.org
>>><http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>><mailto:games_access at igda.org>games_access at igda.org
>><http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>
>Well,
>
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From richard at audiogames.net  Wed Apr  5 04:29:31 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:29:31 +0200
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
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Yes, "bleek" is the right dutch word! 


(http://members.optusnet.com.au/enchilada/tattyworld/bleek.jpg ?!??!?!)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC Video's


>>>>maybe we'll all have a game accessibility conference at
>>>>  a relaxation spa on some nice island and then we'll look more 
>>>>awake in version two of the videos? Any votes
>>>>  for location?
>>>
>>>Mmm, I heard Costa Rica is nice... ;)
>>
>>I can second that...lived in Costa Rica for a semester as an
>>exchange-student in high-school.  There's this nice hotel at
>>the base of Volcan Arenal...an active volcano that has a
>>great view at night (if it's not cloud-covered) as lava
>>burps and boils out of the cone.  It heats the springs and
>>pools owned by the hotel.  I'm not sure how much work would
>>get done if everybody was just hangin' out in the water all
>>day, but it's fun none the less...Very relaxing... :)
> 
> I knew we should have gone to Miami to rescue Richard and Sander from 
> going to the wrong San Jose! Ok, so the GDC wouldn't have been as 
> successful without us attending our sessions...
> 
> Ok so it's decided -- next GA SIG meeting is in San Jose -- the one 
> in Costa Rica. Or at least we'll pretend we're all there. Anyone have 
> any SPF 6000 that they could pass me for my ultra non-tan skin? Or 
> "bleek" as the Dutch would say (is that it? did I learn another word 
> for real?)
> 
> The GA SIG -- where all the best fun ideas come from! :)
> 
> Michelle
> Table, IGDA GA SIG
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
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From richard at audiogames.net  Wed Apr  5 04:38:30 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:38:30 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Another list...
References: <p0623090ac057c116b141@[192.168.1.102]><063501c65805$959d69c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><00b101c6581b$3115a060$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><138FAB02-9CBC-4F8F-9571-87CF424E3DB5@btinternet.com>	<p0623091fc0589672150f@[192.168.1.102]><020601c65830$5937ee30$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><p06230920c0589afa24bd@[192.168.1.102]><022c01c65835$66896870$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<086401c65879$5dec9270$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
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Hi,

I'd bundle everyone together and *only* developers deliberately working on 
game accessibility.

Greets,

Richard



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Another list...


> Great idea! Would you make a distinction between independents and 
> main-stream developers - or bundle everyone together? Also, would the list 
> be populated by developers deliberately making their games more accessible 
> for disabled gamers, or accidentally?
>
> Barrie
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:16 PM
> Subject: [games_access] Another list...
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've had an idea for some time which I'd like to share with you... it is 
>> something I would like to do for the "Game Accessibility"-project 
>> originally but it is something we could also do together with the SIG and 
>> share the results.
>>
>> We've talked about several Top10 lists this (last) week, one of which was 
>> a list of features that game developers are already using in their games. 
>> I would like to make a list (not a Top10, but hopefully a huge list) of 
>> developers that are making accessible games or making games accessible to 
>> some degree. For example, in one of the movies there is John from Flying 
>> Lab Software, in which he explains how they are conciously doing 
>> something with accessibility in their game. I would like to have a list 
>> of such companies. Not only to praise these companies and give them a bit 
>> of spotlight for their efforts, but to set an example for other 
>> developers ("You Too Could Be On This List...!" and hopefully to get 
>> companies in contact with each other so that they can look at each others 
>> work and share knowledge.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Richard (who yesterday made a one-switch game for fun in less than 15 
>> minutes ;)
>>
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From richard at audiogames.net  Wed Apr  5 04:39:37 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:39:37 +0200
Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media?  Thanks Richard and Sander
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Re: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard anThe Money! The Money!

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sander Huiberts 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 9:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard and Sander



  Well, richard....hours????
  We could sell it on a site, but what will we do with all the money we will earn?
  :)

  But getting all the uhhhms out into one new movie would be great. The uhm-movie.

  s.

  d. michelle hinn schreef: 
    oh no...i'm, uh, looking forward to it...


    yes, you are the straw thrower.


      oh, you all just wait... Sander and I have got hours of cool material we will soon release to the SIG... stuff like drunk people saying Slecht Stukje, drunk people saying uhuhuhuh alot, drunk people screaming and throwing straws all over tables (wait, that was me, right?)... err... you'll see... :)



        ----- Original Message -----
        From: d. michelle hinn
        To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
        Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:50 PM
        Subject: Re: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard and Sander


        and if you make Kevin say weird things, make sure you share it with all of us. ;)


          Hi Robert,



          Yes, you preferably have to type close captioning seperately from the movie file (if that's what you mean?). This way you get a seperate text file, which not only makes the information in the video accessible for people with hearing disabilities, but also for the blind-deaf. And the information from your video gets indexed by search enginges such as Google as well!



          I don't think it is a problem if you use any of these clips in your documentory. They're meant for public viewing anyway and as long as you don't edit the clips so that Kevin seems to be saying weird things, I'm fine with it. Maybe I check with our financial party, but I don't think they would mind it.... but just to be on the safe side :)



          Greets,



          Richard

            ----- Original Message -----

            From: Robert Florio

            To: games_access at igda.org

            Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:19 PM

            Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard and Sander



            Thanks Richard for letting me know about an automatic close captioning capability in Windows media or probably all media players I didn't know that before.  I didn't notice close captioning coming up I guess because I had it off did you type in your own close captioning separately also?



            I'm still playing with a rough draft of my outline for my documentary but the audio came out decently with your camera so it should be something to look forward to when I get started.  By any chance I could use any of your video clips for my documentary?



            Robert



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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Apr  5 04:45:40 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 03:45:40 -0500
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
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whoa...ok that's about right for my skin color but am a really just 
one giant head on tiny bird legs???

>Yes, "bleek" is the right dutch word!
>
>(http://members.optusnet.com.au/enchilada/tattyworld/bleek.jpg ?!??!?!)
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:47 AM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC Video's
>
>>>>>maybe we'll all have a game accessibility conference at
>>>>>  a relaxation spa on some nice island and then we'll look more 
>>>>>awake in version two of the videos? Any votes
>>>>>  for location?
>>>>
>>>>Mmm, I heard Costa Rica is nice... ;)
>>>
>>>I can second that...lived in Costa Rica for a semester as an
>>>exchange-student in high-school.  There's this nice hotel at
>>>the base of Volcan Arenal...an active volcano that has a
>>>great view at night (if it's not cloud-covered) as lava
>>>burps and boils out of the cone.  It heats the springs and
>>>pools owned by the hotel.  I'm not sure how much work would
>>>get done if everybody was just hangin' out in the water all
>>>day, but it's fun none the less...Very relaxing... :)
>>
>>I knew we should have gone to Miami to rescue Richard and Sander 
>>from going to the wrong San Jose! Ok, so the GDC wouldn't have been 
>>as successful without us attending our sessions...
>>
>>Ok so it's decided -- next GA SIG meeting is in San Jose -- the one 
>>in Costa Rica. Or at least we'll pretend we're all there. Anyone 
>>have any SPF 6000 that they could pass me for my ultra non-tan 
>>skin? Or "bleek" as the Dutch would say (is that it? did I learn 
>>another word for real?)
>>
>>The GA SIG -- where all the best fun ideas come from! :)
>>
>>Michelle
>>Table, IGDA GA SIG
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Apr  5 04:49:00 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 03:49:00 -0500
Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media?  Thanks Richard and Sander
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wow, one week in the US and you are all about the money! at least you 
still don't know what to do with all of that money you'll make! :)

>The Money! The Money!
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:news at ebass.nl>Sander Huiberts
>To: <mailto:games_access at igda.org>IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 9:58 AM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard and Sander
>
>
>Well, richard....hours????
>We could sell it on a site, but what will we do with all the money 
>we will earn?
>:)
>
>But getting all the uhhhms out into one new movie would be great. 
>The uhm-movie.
>
>s.
>
>d. michelle hinn schreef:
>
>>BLOCKQUOTE {	PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } DL { 
>>	PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } UL { 
>>	PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } OL { 
>>	PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } LI { 
>>	PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px }
>oh no...i'm, uh, looking forward to it...
>
>yes, you are the straw thrower.
>
>>oh, you all just wait... Sander and I have got hours of cool 
>>material we will soon release to the SIG... stuff like drunk people 
>>saying Slecht Stukje, drunk people saying uhuhuhuh alot, drunk 
>>people screaming and throwing straws all over tables (wait, that 
>>was me, right?)... err... you'll see... :)
>>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:hinn at uiuc.edu>d. michelle hinn
>
>To: <mailto:games_access at igda.org>IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:50 PM
>
>Subject: Re: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard and Sander
>
>
>and if you make Kevin say weird things, make sure you share it with 
>all of us. ;)
>
>
>>Hi Robert,
>>
>
>
>
>Yes, you preferably have to type close captioning seperately from 
>the movie file (if that's what you mean?). This way you get 
>a seperate text file, which not only makes the information in the 
>video accessible for people with hearing disabilities, but also for 
>the blind-deaf. And the information from your video gets indexed by 
>search enginges such as Google as well!
>
>
>
>
>I don't think it is a problem if you use any of these clips in your 
>documentory. They're meant for public viewing anyway and as long as 
>you don't edit the clips so that Kevin seems to be saying weird 
>things, I'm fine with it. Maybe I check with our financial party, 
>but I don't think they would mind it.... but just to be on the safe 
>side :)
>
>
>
>
>Greets,
>
>
>
>
>Richard
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:arthit73 at cablespeed.com>Robert Florio
>
>To: <mailto:games_access at igda.org>games_access at igda.org
>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:19 PM
>
>Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard and Sander
>
>
>Thanks Richard for letting me know about an automatic close 
>captioning capability in Windows media or probably all media players 
>I didn't know that before.  I didn't notice close captioning coming 
>up I guess because I had it off did you type in your own close 
>captioning separately also?
>
>
>
>
>I'm still playing with a rough draft of my outline for my 
>documentary but the audio came out decently with your camera so it 
>should be something to look forward to when I get started.  By any 
>chance I could use any of your video clips for my documentary?
>
>
>
>
>Robert
>
>
>
>
><http://www.RobertFlorio.com>www.RobertFlorio.com 
>
>
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From richard at audiogames.net  Wed Apr  5 05:12:22 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:12:22 +0200
Subject: [games_access] d big mystery...
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Re: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard anHi Michelle,

Can you solve a mystery for me and Sander? What does the d stand for in d. michelle hinn? Is that like, The Michelle Hinn? Doctor Michelle Hinn? Doodleydum Michelle Hinn? Dumbledore Michelle Hinn? Dame-Accessibility Michelle Hinn?

;)

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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Apr  5 05:15:41 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 04:15:41 -0500
Subject: [games_access] d big mystery...
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lol. i know i told you this at gdc already. it's "donna" -- my 
parents have never called me donna though so why did they give me a 
first name that's now this pretentious little initial...i have no 
idea. drugs? but i like some (not all) of your suggestions below.

m

>Hi Michelle,
>
>Can you solve a mystery for me and Sander? What does the d stand for 
>in d. michelle hinn? Is that like, The Michelle Hinn? Doctor 
>Michelle Hinn? Doodleydum Michelle Hinn? Dumbledore Michelle Hinn? 
>Dame-Accessibility Michelle Hinn?
>
>;)
>
>Ries
>
>
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From richard at audiogames.net  Wed Apr  5 05:19:57 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:19:57 +0200
Subject: [games_access] d big mystery...
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REALLY? Where was I? Probable tossing straws over some table again...

I prefer Hinny anyway ;)


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...


> lol. i know i told you this at gdc already. it's "donna" -- my 
> parents have never called me donna though so why did they give me a 
> first name that's now this pretentious little initial...i have no 
> idea. drugs? but i like some (not all) of your suggestions below.
> 
> m
> 
>>Hi Michelle,
>>
>>Can you solve a mystery for me and Sander? What does the d stand for 
>>in d. michelle hinn? Is that like, The Michelle Hinn? Doctor 
>>Michelle Hinn? Doodleydum Michelle Hinn? Dumbledore Michelle Hinn? 
>>Dame-Accessibility Michelle Hinn?
>>
>>;)
>>
>>Ries
>>
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From news at ebass.nl  Wed Apr  5 05:27:32 2006
From: news at ebass.nl (Sander Huiberts)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:27:32 +0200
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
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And richard won this day's award for making sander laughing out loud 
because of a silly internet pic.
Great, the inventivity of some silly people on the net.
Great pic!

AudioGames.net schreef:
> Yes, "bleek" is the right dutch word!
>
> (http://members.optusnet.com.au/enchilada/tattyworld/bleek.jpg ?!??!?!)
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC Video's
>
>
>>>>> maybe we'll all have a game accessibility conference at
>>>>>  a relaxation spa on some nice island and then we'll look more 
>>>>> awake in version two of the videos? Any votes
>>>>>  for location?
>>>>
>>>> Mmm, I heard Costa Rica is nice... ;)
>>>
>>> I can second that...lived in Costa Rica for a semester as an
>>> exchange-student in high-school.  There's this nice hotel at
>>> the base of Volcan Arenal...an active volcano that has a
>>> great view at night (if it's not cloud-covered) as lava
>>> burps and boils out of the cone.  It heats the springs and
>>> pools owned by the hotel.  I'm not sure how much work would
>>> get done if everybody was just hangin' out in the water all
>>> day, but it's fun none the less...Very relaxing... :)
>>
>> I knew we should have gone to Miami to rescue Richard and Sander from 
>> going to the wrong San Jose! Ok, so the GDC wouldn't have been as 
>> successful without us attending our sessions...
>>
>> Ok so it's decided -- next GA SIG meeting is in San Jose -- the one 
>> in Costa Rica. Or at least we'll pretend we're all there. Anyone have 
>> any SPF 6000 that they could pass me for my ultra non-tan skin? Or 
>> "bleek" as the Dutch would say (is that it? did I learn another word 
>> for real?)
>>
>> The GA SIG -- where all the best fun ideas come from! :)
>>
>> Michelle
>> Table, IGDA GA SIG
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Apr  5 05:36:35 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 04:36:35 -0500
Subject: [games_access] d big mystery...
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yeah hinny is such an attractive nickname...especially when you are 
throwing straws all over the restaurant, nearly getting all of us 
kicked out of YET ANOTHER location...

>REALLY? Where was I? Probable tossing straws over some table again...
>
>I prefer Hinny anyway ;)
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>
>>lol. i know i told you this at gdc already. it's "donna" -- my 
>>parents have never called me donna though so why did they give me a 
>>first name that's now this pretentious little initial...i have no 
>>idea. drugs? but i like some (not all) of your suggestions below.
>>
>>m
>>
>>>Hi Michelle,
>>>
>>>Can you solve a mystery for me and Sander? What does the d stand 
>>>for in d. michelle hinn? Is that like, The Michelle Hinn? Doctor 
>>>Michelle Hinn? Doodleydum Michelle Hinn? Dumbledore Michelle Hinn? 
>>>Dame-Accessibility Michelle Hinn?
>>>
>>>;)
>>>
>>>Ries
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>games_access at igda.org
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>>
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Apr  5 05:37:53 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 04:37:53 -0500
Subject: [games_access] GDC Video's
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Richard won by showing the most funny thing in the "last five 
minutes" you mean?

>And richard won this day's award for making sander laughing out loud 
>because of a silly internet pic.
>Great, the inventivity of some silly people on the net.
>Great pic!
>
>AudioGames.net schreef:
>>Yes, "bleek" is the right dutch word!
>>
>>(http://members.optusnet.com.au/enchilada/tattyworld/bleek.jpg ?!??!?!)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:47 AM
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC Video's
>>
>>>>>>maybe we'll all have a game accessibility conference at
>>>>>>  a relaxation spa on some nice island and then we'll look more 
>>>>>>awake in version two of the videos? Any votes
>>>>>>  for location?
>>>>>
>>>>>Mmm, I heard Costa Rica is nice... ;)
>>>>
>>>>I can second that...lived in Costa Rica for a semester as an
>>>>exchange-student in high-school.  There's this nice hotel at
>>>>the base of Volcan Arenal...an active volcano that has a
>>>>great view at night (if it's not cloud-covered) as lava
>>>>burps and boils out of the cone.  It heats the springs and
>>>>pools owned by the hotel.  I'm not sure how much work would
>>>>get done if everybody was just hangin' out in the water all
>>>>day, but it's fun none the less...Very relaxing... :)
>>>
>>>I knew we should have gone to Miami to rescue Richard and Sander 
>>>from going to the wrong San Jose! Ok, so the GDC wouldn't have 
>>>been as successful without us attending our sessions...
>>>
>>>Ok so it's decided -- next GA SIG meeting is in San Jose -- the 
>>>one in Costa Rica. Or at least we'll pretend we're all there. 
>>>Anyone have any SPF 6000 that they could pass me for my ultra 
>>>non-tan skin? Or "bleek" as the Dutch would say (is that it? did I 
>>>learn another word for real?)
>>>
>>>The GA SIG -- where all the best fun ideas come from! :)
>>>
>>>Michelle
>>>Table, IGDA GA SIG
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From news at ebass.nl  Wed Apr  5 05:45:12 2006
From: news at ebass.nl (Sander Huiberts)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:45:12 +0200
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Apr  5 05:52:54 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 04:52:54 -0500
Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media?  Thanks Richard and Sander
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yeah i agree that we should go to costa rica with all of that money 
with people who wouldn't be going just to compare the prices of 
"women of a certain profession" across countries...

holland...where the "girls" aren't as cheap. i doubt that will be any 
kind of "visit holland" marketing campaign any time soon...

ok, then, first person to do a project that takes in enough money to 
cover the flights and hotel, let us know so we can start packing for 
the conference!!!

m

>The M-word...of course! That's what started this whole Game 
>Accessibility thing... :)
>ahum.
>
>
>
>And with all that money, I'd buy some flights to Costa Rica, let's 
>go there with some nice people!
>
>( One sick guy I met in the airtrain to NY Newark airport told me 
>Costa Rica was actually kind of nice. His motivation: "The girls are 
>even cheaper than in Holland!" he said. That's the kind of 
>information I do not want to hear...yuck. )
>
>
>d. michelle hinn schreef:
>
>>Re: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard an
>>wow, one week in the US and you are all about the money! at least 
>>you still don't know what to do with all of that money you'll make! 
>>:)
>>
>>>The Money! The Money!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>From: <mailto:news at ebass.nl>Sander Huiberts
>>>
>>>To: <mailto:games_access at igda.org>IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 9:58 AM
>>>
>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard and Sander
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, richard....hours????
>>>We could sell it on a site, but what will we do with all the money 
>>>we will earn?
>>>:)
>>>
>>>But getting all the uhhhms out into one new movie would be great. 
>>>The uhm-movie.
>>>
>>>s.
>>>
>>>d. michelle hinn schreef:
>>>
>>>>BLOCKQUOTE {	PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } DL { 
>>>>	PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } UL { 
>>>>	PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } OL { 
>>>>	PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } LI { 
>>>>	PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px }
>>>>
>>>oh no...i'm, uh, looking forward to it...
>>>
>>>
>>>yes, you are the straw thrower.
>>>
>>>
>>>>oh, you all just wait... Sander and I have got hours of cool 
>>>>material we will soon release to the SIG... stuff like drunk 
>>>>people saying Slecht Stukje, drunk people saying uhuhuhuh alot, 
>>>>drunk people screaming and throwing straws all over tables (wait, 
>>>>that was me, right?)... err... you'll see... :)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>From: <mailto:hinn at uiuc.edu>d. michelle hinn
>>>
>>>To: <mailto:games_access at igda.org>IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:50 PM
>>>
>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard and Sander
>>>
>>>
>>>and if you make Kevin say weird things, make sure you share it 
>>>with all of us. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Robert,
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, you preferably have to type close captioning seperately from 
>>>the movie file (if that's what you mean?). This way you get 
>>>a seperate text file, which not only makes the information in the 
>>>video accessible for people with hearing disabilities, but also 
>>>for the blind-deaf. And the information from your video gets 
>>>indexed by search enginges such as Google as well!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't think it is a problem if you use any of these clips in 
>>>your documentory. They're meant for public viewing anyway and as 
>>>long as you don't edit the clips so that Kevin seems to be saying 
>>>weird things, I'm fine with it. Maybe I check with our financial 
>>>party, but I don't think they would mind it.... but just to be on 
>>>the safe side :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Greets,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Richard
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>From: <mailto:arthit73 at cablespeed.com>Robert Florio
>>>
>>>To: <mailto:games_access at igda.org>games_access at igda.org
>>>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:19 PM
>>>
>>>Subject: [games_access] CC in Windows media? Thanks Richard and Sander
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks Richard for letting me know about an automatic close 
>>>captioning capability in Windows media or probably all media 
>>>players I didn't know that before.  I didn't notice close 
>>>captioning coming up I guess because I had it off did you type in 
>>>your own close captioning separately also?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm still playing with a rough draft of my outline for my 
>>>documentary but the audio came out decently with your camera so it 
>>>should be something to look forward to when I get started.  By any 
>>>chance I could use any of your video clips for my documentary?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Robert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><http://www.RobertFlorio.com>www.RobertFlorio.com 
>>>
>>>
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>>><http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>
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>>><mailto:games_access at igda.org>games_access at igda.org
>>><http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>><mailto:games_access at igda.org>games_access at igda.org
>>><http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>><http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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>>>
>>>Well,
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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From richard at audiogames.net  Wed Apr  5 06:15:05 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:15:05 +0200
Subject: [games_access] d big mystery...
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What was the other? 

(wondering)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...


> yeah hinny is such an attractive nickname...especially when you are 
> throwing straws all over the restaurant, nearly getting all of us 
> kicked out of YET ANOTHER location...
> 
>>REALLY? Where was I? Probable tossing straws over some table again...
>>
>>I prefer Hinny anyway ;)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:15 AM
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>
>>>lol. i know i told you this at gdc already. it's "donna" -- my 
>>>parents have never called me donna though so why did they give me a 
>>>first name that's now this pretentious little initial...i have no 
>>>idea. drugs? but i like some (not all) of your suggestions below.
>>>
>>>m
>>>
>>>>Hi Michelle,
>>>>
>>>>Can you solve a mystery for me and Sander? What does the d stand 
>>>>for in d. michelle hinn? Is that like, The Michelle Hinn? Doctor 
>>>>Michelle Hinn? Doodleydum Michelle Hinn? Dumbledore Michelle Hinn? 
>>>>Dame-Accessibility Michelle Hinn?
>>>>
>>>>;)
>>>>
>>>>Ries
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>_______________________________________________
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>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> 
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Apr  5 06:44:17 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 05:44:17 -0500
Subject: [games_access] d big mystery...
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the fairmont hotel lobby bar, of course!

>What was the other?
>(wondering)
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:36 AM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>
>>yeah hinny is such an attractive nickname...especially when you are 
>>throwing straws all over the restaurant, nearly getting all of us 
>>kicked out of YET ANOTHER location...
>>
>>>REALLY? Where was I? Probable tossing straws over some table again...
>>>
>>>I prefer Hinny anyway ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:15 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>>
>>>>lol. i know i told you this at gdc already. it's "donna" -- my 
>>>>parents have never called me donna though so why did they give me 
>>>>a first name that's now this pretentious little initial...i have 
>>>>no idea. drugs? but i like some (not all) of your suggestions 
>>>>below.
>>>>
>>>>m
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Michelle,
>>>>>
>>>>>Can you solve a mystery for me and Sander? What does the d stand 
>>>>>for in d. michelle hinn? Is that like, The Michelle Hinn? Doctor 
>>>>>Michelle Hinn? Doodleydum Michelle Hinn? Dumbledore Michelle 
>>>>>Hinn? Dame-Accessibility Michelle Hinn?
>>>>>
>>>>>;)
>>>>>
>>>>>Ries
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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From richard at audiogames.net  Wed Apr  5 07:22:04 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:22:04 +0200
Subject: [games_access] d big mystery...
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I don't seem to remember getting kicked out of the lobby? I was just 
retrieving my coat in an interesting way and nobody kicked us out as I 
recall...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...


> the fairmont hotel lobby bar, of course!
>
>>What was the other?
>>(wondering)
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:36 AM
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>
>>>yeah hinny is such an attractive nickname...especially when you are 
>>>throwing straws all over the restaurant, nearly getting all of us kicked 
>>>out of YET ANOTHER location...
>>>
>>>>REALLY? Where was I? Probable tossing straws over some table again...
>>>>
>>>>I prefer Hinny anyway ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:15 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>>>
>>>>>lol. i know i told you this at gdc already. it's "donna" -- my parents 
>>>>>have never called me donna though so why did they give me a first name 
>>>>>that's now this pretentious little initial...i have no idea. drugs? but 
>>>>>i like some (not all) of your suggestions below.
>>>>>
>>>>>m
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Michelle,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Can you solve a mystery for me and Sander? What does the d stand for 
>>>>>>in d. michelle hinn? Is that like, The Michelle Hinn? Doctor Michelle 
>>>>>>Hinn? Doodleydum Michelle Hinn? Dumbledore Michelle Hinn? 
>>>>>>Dame-Accessibility Michelle Hinn?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ries
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Apr  5 07:42:49 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:42:49 -0500
Subject: [games_access] d big mystery...
In-Reply-To: <013501c658a3$5c592f20$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
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not THAT lobby (the level 99 hotel lobby)...the other lobby where 
they were closing the lobby bar and finally kicked us out from our 
prime seating at the concierge desk...you know...the night before 
(actually the morning of) the 9am SIG social event on friday when 
they were kicking everyone out so they could *clean* (so they 
said...).

>I don't seem to remember getting kicked out of the lobby? I was just 
>retrieving my coat in an interesting way and nobody kicked us out as 
>I recall...
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>
>>the fairmont hotel lobby bar, of course!
>>
>>>What was the other?
>>>(wondering)
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:36 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>>
>>>>yeah hinny is such an attractive nickname...especially when you 
>>>>are throwing straws all over the restaurant, nearly getting all 
>>>>of us kicked out of YET ANOTHER location...
>>>>
>>>>>REALLY? Where was I? Probable tossing straws over some table again...
>>>>>
>>>>>I prefer Hinny anyway ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:15 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>>>>
>>>>>>lol. i know i told you this at gdc already. it's "donna" -- my 
>>>>>>parents have never called me donna though so why did they give 
>>>>>>me a first name that's now this pretentious little initial...i 
>>>>>>have no idea. drugs? but i like some (not all) of your 
>>>>>>suggestions below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>m
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Michelle,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Can you solve a mystery for me and Sander? What does the d 
>>>>>>>stand for in d. michelle hinn? Is that like, The Michelle 
>>>>>>>Hinn? Doctor Michelle Hinn? Doodleydum Michelle Hinn? 
>>>>>>>Dumbledore Michelle Hinn? Dame-Accessibility Michelle Hinn?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ries
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From richard at audiogames.net  Wed Apr  5 08:09:00 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:09:00 +0200
Subject: [games_access] d big mystery...
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Ah, I remember... so I didn't really got us kicked out, did I ... I just 
kept us sitting their talking about emotions in games and film ;) ?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...


> not THAT lobby (the level 99 hotel lobby)...the other lobby where they 
> were closing the lobby bar and finally kicked us out from our prime 
> seating at the concierge desk...you know...the night before (actually the 
> morning of) the 9am SIG social event on friday when they were kicking 
> everyone out so they could *clean* (so they said...).
>
>>I don't seem to remember getting kicked out of the lobby? I was just 
>>retrieving my coat in an interesting way and nobody kicked us out as I 
>>recall...
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:44 PM
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>
>>>the fairmont hotel lobby bar, of course!
>>>
>>>>What was the other?
>>>>(wondering)
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:36 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>>>
>>>>>yeah hinny is such an attractive nickname...especially when you are 
>>>>>throwing straws all over the restaurant, nearly getting all of us 
>>>>>kicked out of YET ANOTHER location...
>>>>>
>>>>>>REALLY? Where was I? Probable tossing straws over some table again...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I prefer Hinny anyway ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" 
>>>>>><games_access at igda.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:15 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>lol. i know i told you this at gdc already. it's "donna" -- my 
>>>>>>>parents have never called me donna though so why did they give me a 
>>>>>>>first name that's now this pretentious little initial...i have no 
>>>>>>>idea. drugs? but i like some (not all) of your suggestions below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>m
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi Michelle,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Can you solve a mystery for me and Sander? What does the d stand for 
>>>>>>>>in d. michelle hinn? Is that like, The Michelle Hinn? Doctor 
>>>>>>>>Michelle Hinn? Doodleydum Michelle Hinn? Dumbledore Michelle Hinn? 
>>>>>>>>Dame-Accessibility Michelle Hinn?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ries
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From k at kellyrued.net  Wed Apr  5 08:30:51 2006
From: k at kellyrued.net (K)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:30:51 -0500
Subject: [games_access] RE: Another list... (and follow up info on Top 3 for
	indies thread)
In-Reply-To: <20060405083944.2459657A2D@seven.pairlist.net>
Message-ID: <020d01c658ac$c85216c0$0200a8c0@KELLY>

>I'd bundle everyone together and *only* developers deliberately working on 
>game accessibility.

I'm gonna disagree slightly on that suggestion Richard :) Indie developers
have SO much less to work with, especially those that are actually
independent and not 3rd party developers working with a publisher. It's very
easy to say "ok, when we're bigger, we'll do this stuff" knowing that our
games have the same accessibility problems as a bigger production's would. I
think it would be nice to salute the smaller companies for taking what's no
doubt a bigger chunk of their resources overall to do the right thing by
their players. It opens up new markets but since you don't really know how
much impact various changes will have it's hard to justify in a budget what
benefit, if any, accessibility feature X would have on the project's bottom
line.

Plus it would be neat to show that so-and-so at the IGF who only had a 20k
budget still found a way to make closed captioning or something a priority.
:) Most games are made with C++, Java, Flash, Shockwave, etc. so I'm hoping
to see people release opensource code libraries/plugins with accessibility
features in them for mix-n-match use so it's a matter of
integration/customizing rather than engineering from scratch and researching
the design, then the technical design, then the implementation and testing
for general cases that could be done once and then shared and customized for
special cases. Throw in some tools- utility code that allows designers and
artists to *see* what their art/game looks like to someone with various
visual problems or audio problems (cripples it in some way), and you'd have
a turn-key suite of tools that any developer could use to put a big dent in
their accessibility problem-identifying and solving efforts.

But I am biased, as an indie working on funded and unfunded projects under
different brands right now. It's the unfunded one we're trying to squeeze in
accessibility for because the others fall under that suggested definition of
people who shouldn't make games LOL (heh, it's really not a game where audio
adds a ton to the play honestly- the audio is just a backdrop to create
tension/mood while they play (trivia games) and the sfx all have correlating
onscreen text-based feedback of visual effects to convey the same meaning-
plus they are already self-paced and trivial pursuit style (we have a beta
test copy, www.isergames.com The Sex Ed Game, if anyone is interested in
testing for accessibility issues, let me know off-list and I'll send you the
dl info)). It's too late to add *major* features to that release but I think
it does pretty well- might be issues with the art contrast/etc. but like I
mentioned before while I can *hear* where audio is important I can't *see*
where our graphics might be hard to see to people with different vision
issues (I don't know enough yet about the different visual impairments to
say either way).

In my spare time now (ha) I'm reading your SIG white paper 'Game not Over'
and going through your top 10 list and other resources to analyze our bigger
game, Rapture Online (an MMOEG, basically an adults-only MMORPG), for
accessibility needs. Thanks so much for your feedback so far- I'm sure that
if I have questions and when I reach a final plan/analysis I'm going to
share a link to it here. 

I doubt my process will be super or comprehensive as this is the first time
I've done this but I am going to document what I did anyways on our site in
case other game designers want to try the same thing. It's exciting though
to think that I could anticipate these problems and make the game a good
experience for everyone right "out of the box." I really hope to see more
guides and workshops about how to analyze your game design for accessibility
issues... there was an all day tutorial at GDC that ran up against my
serious games schedule for The Sex Ed Game, but perhaps that's what you all
covered. :) I'm especially ignorant on alt-input/controllers and how they
work to operate the game or how game controls are re-mapped to these
devices. Our primary mouse controls is just like The Sims 2 pie menu system
so figuring out how players can use those with any kind of input device is
really important (we have editable keyboard shortcuts for *everything* so
I'm thinking that's where we'll be able to make it accessible). 

Again, thanks for all the input! Keep up the good work- this is an
informative list to lurk on (resumes lurker mode until I learn a bit more)
:)

Kelly 

www.blackloveinteractive.com
www.isergames.com



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Apr  5 08:41:35 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:41:35 -0500
Subject: [games_access] d big mystery...
In-Reply-To: <014601c658a9$b90b9860$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <00c201c65825$17feda10$6401a8c0@CYXKG51><017501c65827$2de29270$8e8b2ed5@De
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	<014601c658a9$b90b9860$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <p06230962c0596a777949@[192.168.1.102]>

No, no...that was the night before with the film student! We got 
kicked out the next night when we were sitting there talking 
about...actually I don't remember what we were all talking about. All 
the hotel staff was trying to evacuate all of us lobby hanger-outers 
somewhere around 3am. So it wasn't that just the SIG was being kicked 
out...everyone was being kicked out. :)

See everyone? GDC Europe...don't miss it! I'm sure we'll get kicked 
out of somewhere there too...and we'll have just as much trouble 
piecing it all back together...

>Ah, I remember... so I didn't really got us kicked out, did I ... I 
>just kept us sitting their talking about emotions in games and film 
>;) ?
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>
>>not THAT lobby (the level 99 hotel lobby)...the other lobby where 
>>they were closing the lobby bar and finally kicked us out from our 
>>prime seating at the concierge desk...you know...the night before 
>>(actually the morning of) the 9am SIG social event on friday when 
>>they were kicking everyone out so they could *clean* (so they 
>>said...).
>>
>>>I don't seem to remember getting kicked out of the lobby? I was 
>>>just retrieving my coat in an interesting way and nobody kicked us 
>>>out as I recall...
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:44 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>>
>>>>the fairmont hotel lobby bar, of course!
>>>>
>>>>>What was the other?
>>>>>(wondering)
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:36 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>>>>
>>>>>>yeah hinny is such an attractive nickname...especially when you 
>>>>>>are throwing straws all over the restaurant, nearly getting all 
>>>>>>of us kicked out of YET ANOTHER location...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>REALLY? Where was I? Probable tossing straws over some table again...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I prefer Hinny anyway ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>>>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:15 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>lol. i know i told you this at gdc already. it's "donna" -- 
>>>>>>>>my parents have never called me donna though so why did they 
>>>>>>>>give me a first name that's now this pretentious little 
>>>>>>>>initial...i have no idea. drugs? but i like some (not all) of 
>>>>>>>>your suggestions below.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>m
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi Michelle,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Can you solve a mystery for me and Sander? What does the d 
>>>>>>>>>stand for in d. michelle hinn? Is that like, The Michelle 
>>>>>>>>>Hinn? Doctor Michelle Hinn? Doodleydum Michelle Hinn? 
>>>>>>>>>Dumbledore Michelle Hinn? Dame-Accessibility Michelle Hinn?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>;)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Ries
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From richard at audiogames.net  Wed Apr  5 08:47:36 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:47:36 +0200
Subject: [games_access] d big mystery...
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	<p06230962c0596a777949@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <016101c658af$43567b20$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

aaargh ... all those nights... no, people, stay away from these conventions!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...


> No, no...that was the night before with the film student! We got kicked 
> out the next night when we were sitting there talking about...actually I 
> don't remember what we were all talking about. All the hotel staff was 
> trying to evacuate all of us lobby hanger-outers somewhere around 3am. So 
> it wasn't that just the SIG was being kicked out...everyone was being 
> kicked out. :)
>
> See everyone? GDC Europe...don't miss it! I'm sure we'll get kicked out of 
> somewhere there too...and we'll have just as much trouble piecing it all 
> back together...
>
>>Ah, I remember... so I didn't really got us kicked out, did I ... I just 
>>kept us sitting their talking about emotions in games and film ;) ?
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:42 PM
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>
>>>not THAT lobby (the level 99 hotel lobby)...the other lobby where they 
>>>were closing the lobby bar and finally kicked us out from our prime 
>>>seating at the concierge desk...you know...the night before (actually the 
>>>morning of) the 9am SIG social event on friday when they were kicking 
>>>everyone out so they could *clean* (so they said...).
>>>
>>>>I don't seem to remember getting kicked out of the lobby? I was just 
>>>>retrieving my coat in an interesting way and nobody kicked us out as I 
>>>>recall...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:44 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>>>
>>>>>the fairmont hotel lobby bar, of course!
>>>>>
>>>>>>What was the other?
>>>>>>(wondering)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" 
>>>>>><games_access at igda.org>
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:36 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>yeah hinny is such an attractive nickname...especially when you are 
>>>>>>>throwing straws all over the restaurant, nearly getting all of us 
>>>>>>>kicked out of YET ANOTHER location...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>REALLY? Where was I? Probable tossing straws over some table 
>>>>>>>>again...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I prefer Hinny anyway ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" 
>>>>>>>><hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>>>>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" 
>>>>>>>><games_access at igda.org>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:15 AM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>lol. i know i told you this at gdc already. it's "donna" -- 
>>>>>>>>>my parents have never called me donna though so why did they give 
>>>>>>>>>me a first name that's now this pretentious little initial...i have 
>>>>>>>>>no idea. drugs? but i like some (not all) of your suggestions 
>>>>>>>>>below.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>m
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hi Michelle,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Can you solve a mystery for me and Sander? What does the d stand 
>>>>>>>>>>for in d. michelle hinn? Is that like, The Michelle Hinn? Doctor 
>>>>>>>>>>Michelle Hinn? Doodleydum Michelle Hinn? Dumbledore Michelle Hinn? 
>>>>>>>>>>Dame-Accessibility Michelle Hinn?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>;)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Ries
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
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From richard at audiogames.net  Wed Apr  5 08:48:39 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:48:39 +0200
Subject: [games_access] RE: Another list... (and follow up info on Top 3
	forindies thread)
References: <020d01c658ac$c85216c0$0200a8c0@KELLY>
Message-ID: <016201c658af$4450e0b0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hi,

*quote*
> >I'd bundle everyone together and *only* developers deliberately working 
> >on
>>game accessibility.
>
> I'm gonna disagree slightly on that suggestion Richard :) Indie developers
> have SO much less to work with, especially those that are actually
> independent and not 3rd party developers working with a publisher. It's 
> very
> easy to say "ok, when we're bigger, we'll do this stuff" knowing that our
> games have the same accessibility problems as a bigger production's would.
*quote end*

I think you might have misinterpreted my comment. I mean to put any 
developer on the list that has conciously added something.accessible to 
their game. In my opinion it doesn't matter if it's major company that made 
a completely accessible game or an Indie developer that added a tiny feature 
to their game to make it more accessible. Budget is not a factor for the 
list... there are many academic and/or non-commercial (unfunded) projects 
out there that deal with game accessibility. I'd like to have a list 
bringing all of these people/devs in the light. Although it might turn out 
to be an extensive database instead of a list (which is something that the 
GameOn project seems to focus on), I'd first and foremost like to focus on a 
simple list saying:

AudioGames.net - developes audio games (Drive, Sudo-San)
Flying Lab Software - added several accessibilty options such as scalability 
for their MMORPG "something"
PinInteractive - developed fully- accessible video game Terraformers
Valve - added Subtitles to Halflife 2 to make it more accessible to the deaf

or something like it... so ANY indie developer without budget is more than 
welcome on this list!




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "K" <k at kellyrued.net>
To: <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:30 PM
Subject: [games_access] RE: Another list... (and follow up info on Top 3 
forindies thread)


 I
> think it would be nice to salute the smaller companies for taking what's 
> no
> doubt a bigger chunk of their resources overall to do the right thing by
> their players. It opens up new markets but since you don't really know how
> much impact various changes will have it's hard to justify in a budget 
> what
> benefit, if any, accessibility feature X would have on the project's 
> bottom
> line.
>
> Plus it would be neat to show that so-and-so at the IGF who only had a 20k
> budget still found a way to make closed captioning or something a 
> priority.
> :) Most games are made with C++, Java, Flash, Shockwave, etc. so I'm 
> hoping
> to see people release opensource code libraries/plugins with accessibility
> features in them for mix-n-match use so it's a matter of
> integration/customizing rather than engineering from scratch and 
> researching
> the design, then the technical design, then the implementation and testing
> for general cases that could be done once and then shared and customized 
> for
> special cases. Throw in some tools- utility code that allows designers and
> artists to *see* what their art/game looks like to someone with various
> visual problems or audio problems (cripples it in some way), and you'd 
> have
> a turn-key suite of tools that any developer could use to put a big dent 
> in
> their accessibility problem-identifying and solving efforts.
>
> But I am biased, as an indie working on funded and unfunded projects under
> different brands right now. It's the unfunded one we're trying to squeeze 
> in
> accessibility for because the others fall under that suggested definition 
> of
> people who shouldn't make games LOL (heh, it's really not a game where 
> audio
> adds a ton to the play honestly- the audio is just a backdrop to create
> tension/mood while they play (trivia games) and the sfx all have 
> correlating
> onscreen text-based feedback of visual effects to convey the same meaning-
> plus they are already self-paced and trivial pursuit style (we have a beta
> test copy, www.isergames.com The Sex Ed Game, if anyone is interested in
> testing for accessibility issues, let me know off-list and I'll send you 
> the
> dl info)). It's too late to add *major* features to that release but I 
> think
> it does pretty well- might be issues with the art contrast/etc. but like I
> mentioned before while I can *hear* where audio is important I can't *see*
> where our graphics might be hard to see to people with different vision
> issues (I don't know enough yet about the different visual impairments to
> say either way).
>
> In my spare time now (ha) I'm reading your SIG white paper 'Game not Over'
> and going through your top 10 list and other resources to analyze our 
> bigger
> game, Rapture Online (an MMOEG, basically an adults-only MMORPG), for
> accessibility needs. Thanks so much for your feedback so far- I'm sure 
> that
> if I have questions and when I reach a final plan/analysis I'm going to
> share a link to it here.
>
> I doubt my process will be super or comprehensive as this is the first 
> time
> I've done this but I am going to document what I did anyways on our site 
> in
> case other game designers want to try the same thing. It's exciting though
> to think that I could anticipate these problems and make the game a good
> experience for everyone right "out of the box." I really hope to see more
> guides and workshops about how to analyze your game design for 
> accessibility
> issues... there was an all day tutorial at GDC that ran up against my
> serious games schedule for The Sex Ed Game, but perhaps that's what you 
> all
> covered. :) I'm especially ignorant on alt-input/controllers and how they
> work to operate the game or how game controls are re-mapped to these
> devices. Our primary mouse controls is just like The Sims 2 pie menu 
> system
> so figuring out how players can use those with any kind of input device is
> really important (we have editable keyboard shortcuts for *everything* so
> I'm thinking that's where we'll be able to make it accessible).
>
> Again, thanks for all the input! Keep up the good work- this is an
> informative list to lurk on (resumes lurker mode until I learn a bit more)
> :)
>
> Kelly
>
> www.blackloveinteractive.com
> www.isergames.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Apr  5 09:13:03 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:13:03 -0500
Subject: [games_access] d big mystery...
In-Reply-To: <016101c658af$43567b20$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
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no stay away if the GA SIG's not going to be there! You're only safe 
if you stick with us -- none of us got arrested after all. Of course 
I don't know what the general arrest rate was for the 
conference...but we were safe!

>aaargh ... all those nights... no, people, stay away from these conventions!
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>
>>No, no...that was the night before with the film student! We got 
>>kicked out the next night when we were sitting there talking 
>>about...actually I don't remember what we were all talking about. 
>>All the hotel staff was trying to evacuate all of us lobby 
>>hanger-outers somewhere around 3am. So it wasn't that just the SIG 
>>was being kicked out...everyone was being kicked out. :)
>>
>>See everyone? GDC Europe...don't miss it! I'm sure we'll get kicked 
>>out of somewhere there too...and we'll have just as much trouble 
>>piecing it all back together...
>>
>>>Ah, I remember... so I didn't really got us kicked out, did I ... 
>>>I just kept us sitting their talking about emotions in games and 
>>>film ;) ?
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:42 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>>
>>>>not THAT lobby (the level 99 hotel lobby)...the other lobby where 
>>>>they were closing the lobby bar and finally kicked us out from 
>>>>our prime seating at the concierge desk...you know...the night 
>>>>before (actually the morning of) the 9am SIG social event on 
>>>>friday when they were kicking everyone out so they could *clean* 
>>>>(so they said...).
>>>>
>>>>>I don't seem to remember getting kicked out of the lobby? I was 
>>>>>just retrieving my coat in an interesting way and nobody kicked 
>>>>>us out as I recall...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:44 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>>>>
>>>>>>the fairmont hotel lobby bar, of course!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What was the other?
>>>>>>>(wondering)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>>>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:36 AM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>yeah hinny is such an attractive nickname...especially when 
>>>>>>>>you are throwing straws all over the restaurant, nearly 
>>>>>>>>getting all of us kicked out of YET ANOTHER location...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>REALLY? Where was I? Probable tossing straws over some table again...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I prefer Hinny anyway ;)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>>>>>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" 
>>>>>>>>><games_access at igda.org>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:15 AM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] d big mystery...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>lol. i know i told you this at gdc already. it's "donna" -- 
>>>>>>>>>>my parents have never called me donna though so why did 
>>>>>>>>>>they give me a first name that's now this pretentious 
>>>>>>>>>>little initial...i have no idea. drugs? but i like some 
>>>>>>>>>>(not all) of your suggestions below.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>m
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Michelle,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Can you solve a mystery for me and Sander? What does the d 
stand for in d. michelle hinn? Is that like, The Michelle Hinn? 
Doctor Michelle Hinn? Doodleydum Michelle Hinn? Dumbledore Michelle 
Hinn? Dame-Accessibility Michelle Hinn?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>;)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Ries
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Apr  5 09:27:13 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:27:13 -0500
Subject: [games_access] RE: Another list... (and follow up info on Top
	3 	forindies thread)
In-Reply-To: <016201c658af$4450e0b0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <020d01c658ac$c85216c0$0200a8c0@KELLY>
	<016201c658af$4450e0b0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <p06230965c05973428915@[192.168.1.102]>

It's actually it's a lot of the indie devs that are doing more with 
accessibility -- like the ones listed below (with the exception, of 
course, of value) so the list will more likely be weighted more 
heavily towards smaller dev studios and indies anyway. For instance 
"Strange Attractors" that was up for a design innovation award at 
this year's IGF was a "one button game" (or "one switch" game). One 
mod for Doom that was up for the IGF mod awards was a closed 
captioning mod that was a giant volunteer effort (and a very 
impressive one!). Sadly neither won this year but it shows that the 
small companies can come up with some pretty innovative stuff with 
regard to accessibility -- stuff that makes game design more exciting 
and isn't just something added on later.

Soon we'll have all our slides and such from our one day tutorial on 
the wiki in working order (like within the next week) and that will 
help provide more resources. It's too bad you had to miss the 
sessions -- but we'll be back next year. :) And we're here on this 
list all year long! We have lots and lots up our sleeves right now 
activities-wise. So hearing what different types of developers are 
looking for only helps inform us of our dev audience even more! So 
feel free to lurk and un-lurk whenever you'd like.  We're a chatty 
bunch (as you have probably noticed...).

Michelle

>Hi,
>
>*quote*
>>  >I'd bundle everyone together and *only* developers deliberately working >on
>>>game accessibility.
>>
>>I'm gonna disagree slightly on that suggestion Richard :) Indie developers
>>have SO much less to work with, especially those that are actually
>>independent and not 3rd party developers working with a publisher. It's very
>>easy to say "ok, when we're bigger, we'll do this stuff" knowing that our
>>games have the same accessibility problems as a bigger production's would.
>*quote end*
>
>I think you might have misinterpreted my comment. I mean to put any 
>developer on the list that has conciously added something.accessible 
>to their game. In my opinion it doesn't matter if it's major company 
>that made a completely accessible game or an Indie developer that 
>added a tiny feature to their game to make it more accessible. 
>Budget is not a factor for the list... there are many academic 
>and/or non-commercial (unfunded) projects out there that deal with 
>game accessibility. I'd like to have a list bringing all of these 
>people/devs in the light. Although it might turn out to be an 
>extensive database instead of a list (which is something that the 
>GameOn project seems to focus on), I'd first and foremost like to 
>focus on a simple list saying:
>
>AudioGames.net - developes audio games (Drive, Sudo-San)
>Flying Lab Software - added several accessibilty options such as 
>scalability for their MMORPG "something"
>PinInteractive - developed fully- accessible video game Terraformers
>Valve - added Subtitles to Halflife 2 to make it more accessible to the deaf
>
>or something like it... so ANY indie developer without budget is 
>more than welcome on this list!
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "K" <k at kellyrued.net>
>To: <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:30 PM
>Subject: [games_access] RE: Another list... (and follow up info on 
>Top 3 forindies thread)
>
>
>I
>>think it would be nice to salute the smaller companies for taking what's no
>>doubt a bigger chunk of their resources overall to do the right thing by
>>their players. It opens up new markets but since you don't really know how
>>much impact various changes will have it's hard to justify in a budget what
>>benefit, if any, accessibility feature X would have on the project's bottom
>>line.
>>
>>Plus it would be neat to show that so-and-so at the IGF who only had a 20k
>>budget still found a way to make closed captioning or something a priority.
>>:) Most games are made with C++, Java, Flash, Shockwave, etc. so I'm hoping
>>to see people release opensource code libraries/plugins with accessibility
>>features in them for mix-n-match use so it's a matter of
>>integration/customizing rather than engineering from scratch and researching
>>the design, then the technical design, then the implementation and testing
>>for general cases that could be done once and then shared and customized for
>>special cases. Throw in some tools- utility code that allows designers and
>>artists to *see* what their art/game looks like to someone with various
>>visual problems or audio problems (cripples it in some way), and you'd have
>>a turn-key suite of tools that any developer could use to put a big dent in
>>their accessibility problem-identifying and solving efforts.
>>
>>But I am biased, as an indie working on funded and unfunded projects under
>>different brands right now. It's the unfunded one we're trying to squeeze in
>>accessibility for because the others fall under that suggested definition of
>>people who shouldn't make games LOL (heh, it's really not a game where audio
>>adds a ton to the play honestly- the audio is just a backdrop to create
>>tension/mood while they play (trivia games) and the sfx all have correlating
>>onscreen text-based feedback of visual effects to convey the same meaning-
>>plus they are already self-paced and trivial pursuit style (we have a beta
>>test copy, www.isergames.com The Sex Ed Game, if anyone is interested in
>>testing for accessibility issues, let me know off-list and I'll send you the
>>dl info)). It's too late to add *major* features to that release but I think
>>it does pretty well- might be issues with the art contrast/etc. but like I
>>mentioned before while I can *hear* where audio is important I can't *see*
>>where our graphics might be hard to see to people with different vision
>>issues (I don't know enough yet about the different visual impairments to
>>say either way).
>>
>>In my spare time now (ha) I'm reading your SIG white paper 'Game not Over'
>>and going through your top 10 list and other resources to analyze our bigger
>>game, Rapture Online (an MMOEG, basically an adults-only MMORPG), for
>>accessibility needs. Thanks so much for your feedback so far- I'm sure that
>>if I have questions and when I reach a final plan/analysis I'm going to
>>share a link to it here.
>>
>>I doubt my process will be super or comprehensive as this is the first time
>>I've done this but I am going to document what I did anyways on our site in
>>case other game designers want to try the same thing. It's exciting though
>>to think that I could anticipate these problems and make the game a good
>>experience for everyone right "out of the box." I really hope to see more
>>guides and workshops about how to analyze your game design for accessibility
>>issues... there was an all day tutorial at GDC that ran up against my
>>serious games schedule for The Sex Ed Game, but perhaps that's what you all
>>covered. :) I'm especially ignorant on alt-input/controllers and how they
>>work to operate the game or how game controls are re-mapped to these
>>devices. Our primary mouse controls is just like The Sims 2 pie menu system
>>so figuring out how players can use those with any kind of input device is
>>really important (we have editable keyboard shortcuts for *everything* so
>>I'm thinking that's where we'll be able to make it accessible).
>>
>>Again, thanks for all the input! Keep up the good work- this is an
>>informative list to lurk on (resumes lurker mode until I learn a bit more)
>>:)
>>
>>Kelly
>>
>>www.blackloveinteractive.com
>>www.isergames.com
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From rkimball at gmail.com  Wed Apr  5 11:48:53 2006
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:48:53 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Final day of GDC report posted
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0604050848r77cc8a17m9f0a44e729144ff7@mail.gmail.com>

http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com/03.24.06_gdc.php

Enjoy!

-Reid


From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Wed Apr  5 12:58:20 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:58:20 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Final day of GDC report posted
References: <a6673b8d0604050848r77cc8a17m9f0a44e729144ff7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <094601c658d2$2512bfc0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Brilliant work, Reid. I've really enjoyed reading your reports, and your 
power point presentation was superb. Keep it up! Totally with you regarding 
the accessibility features being of benefit to all.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reid Kimball" <rkimball at gmail.com>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 4:48 PM
Subject: [games_access] Final day of GDC report posted


http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com/03.24.06_gdc.php

Enjoy!

-Reid
_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access






From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Thu Apr  6 14:47:26 2006
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (Jonathan Chetwynd)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:47:26 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Barrie's Guardian switches strange attractors ~:"
Message-ID: <6EA8E0A2-0E97-4AB2-9ED8-B462BC3C5EED@btinternet.com>

Barrie's Guardian switches strange attractors ~:"

Congratulations:

http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,1747333,00.html

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd





From rkimball at gmail.com  Thu Apr  6 15:45:27 2006
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:45:27 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Barrie's Guardian switches strange attractors ~:"
In-Reply-To: <6EA8E0A2-0E97-4AB2-9ED8-B462BC3C5EED@btinternet.com>
References: <6EA8E0A2-0E97-4AB2-9ED8-B462BC3C5EED@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0604061245x251244f9uab7b448b1b0bf70@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome for Strange Attractors. The Doom3[CC] mod also got a mention.

I'm going to write a personal email (not on behalf of our group)
thanking him for writing the article. I also want to do the same for
the PC Gamer issue that talked about one button games.

-Reid

On 4/6/06, Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetwynd at btinternet.com> wrote:
> Barrie's Guardian switches strange attractors ~:"
>
> Congratulations:
>
> http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,1747333,00.html
>
> regards
>
> Jonathan Chetwynd
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From richard at audiogames.net  Thu Apr  6 16:22:50 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:22:50 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Barrie's Guardian switches strange attractors ~:"
References: <6EA8E0A2-0E97-4AB2-9ED8-B462BC3C5EED@btinternet.com>
	<a6673b8d0604061245x251244f9uab7b448b1b0bf70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002901c659b8$11af1820$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Great!

*quote*
I also want to do the same for the PC Gamer issue that talked about one 
button games.
*quote end*

Did anyone by any chance already make a scan of that?

Greets,

Richard 



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Apr  6 16:34:31 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:34:31 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Barrie's Guardian switches strange attractors ~:"
In-Reply-To: <002901c659b8$11af1820$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <6EA8E0A2-0E97-4AB2-9ED8-B462BC3C5EED@btinternet.com>
	<a6673b8d0604061245x251244f9uab7b448b1b0bf70@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901c659b8$11af1820$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <p06230988c05b2b9bf93c@[192.168.1.102]>

not yet -- i have the issue but my scanner's acting weird so i'll 
scan it in over the weekend and let everyone know where to quickly 
download it before i take it back offline so i don't get sued. :)

>Great!
>
>*quote*
>I also want to do the same for the PC Gamer issue that talked about 
>one button games.
>*quote end*
>
>Did anyone by any chance already make a scan of that?
>
>Greets,
>
>Richard
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From richard at audiogames.net  Thu Apr  6 17:07:48 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:07:48 +0200
Subject: [games_access] GDC Presentation Richard and Sander
References: <6EA8E0A2-0E97-4AB2-9ED8-B462BC3C5EED@btinternet.com><a6673b8d0604061245x251244f9uab7b448b1b0bf70@mail.gmail.com><002901c659b8$11af1820$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<p06230988c05b2b9bf93c@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <003201c659be$2ba94650$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hi,

I have just uploaded our GDC Powerpoint presentation on:

http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip

Since the presentation was already 9Mb big and because I think presentations 
are more than just text, I have included the media (sound, movies) that are 
part of the presentation. Only Drive and Sudo-San have not been included, 
since Drive is 120 Mb (and is also on the SIG-cd) and Sudo-San is an online 
game (which for the moment we do not want to distribute as an executable). 
Instead I have replaced the links so that they point towards the website. So 
the presentation is about 50 Mb in total. If there is anyone who would 
really really really like a text-only version than I might consider 
uploading one. This presentation-version is mostly meant for the SIG btw. 
We're going to make a version for the G-A.com website for public >>> I'm 
intending to provide several presentations (either ppoint or HTML)  through 
the G-A.com website, which can be used by teachers in their game design 
courses/lessons for students. Teaching material :)

Greets,

Richard




From richard at audiogames.net  Thu Apr  6 17:14:35 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:14:35 +0200
Subject: [games_access] GDC Presentation Richard and Sander
References: <6EA8E0A2-0E97-4AB2-9ED8-B462BC3C5EED@btinternet.com><a6673b8d0604061245x251244f9uab7b448b1b0bf70@mail.gmail.com><002901c659b8$11af1820$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><p06230988c05b2b9bf93c@[192.168.1.102]>
	<003201c659be$2ba94650$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <004001c659bf$1b3e6f60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hi,

Just tested my upload, something went wrong, uploading the file again (it 
seems a couple of 100 bytes were missing, probably because the server was 
full)...
If you were downloading already, please quit your download and try again 5 
minutes after receiving this email :)

Greets,

Richard



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:07 PM
Subject: [games_access] GDC Presentation Richard and Sander


> Hi,
>
> I have just uploaded our GDC Powerpoint presentation on:
>
> http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip
>
> Since the presentation was already 9Mb big and because I think 
> presentations are more than just text, I have included the media (sound, 
> movies) that are part of the presentation. Only Drive and Sudo-San have 
> not been included, since Drive is 120 Mb (and is also on the SIG-cd) and 
> Sudo-San is an online game (which for the moment we do not want to 
> distribute as an executable). Instead I have replaced the links so that 
> they point towards the website. So the presentation is about 50 Mb in 
> total. If there is anyone who would really really really like a text-only 
> version than I might consider uploading one. This presentation-version is 
> mostly meant for the SIG btw. We're going to make a version for the 
> G-A.com website for public >>> I'm intending to provide several 
> presentations (either ppoint or HTML)  through the G-A.com website, which 
> can be used by teachers in their game design courses/lessons for students. 
> Teaching material :)
>
> Greets,
>
> Richard
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From richard at audiogames.net  Thu Apr  6 17:50:28 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:50:28 +0200
Subject: [games_access] GDC Presentation Richard and Sander
References: <6EA8E0A2-0E97-4AB2-9ED8-B462BC3C5EED@btinternet.com><a6673b8d0604061245x251244f9uab7b448b1b0bf70@mail.gmail.com><002901c659b8$11af1820$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><p06230988c05b2b9bf93c@[192.168.1.102]><003201c659be$2ba94650$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<004001c659bf$1b3e6f60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <00f501c659c4$1e5f9340$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

(for those still waiting)... presentation is now uploaded ok on:

http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip

So to start a thread to collect all places where we can find all presentations:

Reid: http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com/gdc2006/tutorial/Games[CC]_gdc2006.ppt
Richard & Sander: http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip
Barrie: ?
Michelle: ?
Thomas: ?
Giannis: ?
(anyone I forgot?)

I'll upload some GDC pics in a moment...

Greets,

Richard




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC Presentation Richard and Sander


> Hi,
> 
> Just tested my upload, something went wrong, uploading the file again (it 
> seems a couple of 100 bytes were missing, probably because the server was 
> full)...
> If you were downloading already, please quit your download and try again 5 
> minutes after receiving this email :)
> 
> Greets,
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:07 PM
> Subject: [games_access] GDC Presentation Richard and Sander
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have just uploaded our GDC Powerpoint presentation on:
>>
>> http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip
>>
>> Since the presentation was already 9Mb big and because I think 
>> presentations are more than just text, I have included the media (sound, 
>> movies) that are part of the presentation. Only Drive and Sudo-San have 
>> not been included, since Drive is 120 Mb (and is also on the SIG-cd) and 
>> Sudo-San is an online game (which for the moment we do not want to 
>> distribute as an executable). Instead I have replaced the links so that 
>> they point towards the website. So the presentation is about 50 Mb in 
>> total. If there is anyone who would really really really like a text-only 
>> version than I might consider uploading one. This presentation-version is 
>> mostly meant for the SIG btw. We're going to make a version for the 
>> G-A.com website for public >>> I'm intending to provide several 
>> presentations (either ppoint or HTML)  through the G-A.com website, which 
>> can be used by teachers in their game design courses/lessons for students. 
>> Teaching material :)
>>
>> Greets,
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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From richard at audiogames.net  Thu Apr  6 18:01:49 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:01:49 +0200
Subject: [games_access] GDC Presentation Richard and Sander
References: <6EA8E0A2-0E97-4AB2-9ED8-B462BC3C5EED@btinternet.com><a6673b8d0604061245x251244f9uab7b448b1b0bf70@mail.gmail.com><002901c659b8$11af1820$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><p06230988c05b2b9bf93c@[192.168.1.102]><003201c659be$2ba94650$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><004001c659bf$1b3e6f60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<00f501c659c4$1e5f9340$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <010b01c659c5$b4b0e8c0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hi again,

Here are some more pics from the GDC: http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/gdcpics/

Well, actually... there's not so much to see from the GDC itsself... dinnerpics and very weird programs we saw on television during our two-day-travel-trip to San Jose (you can see what it did to us on the pic of Sander)... will dig up some more soon...

Greets,

Richard 


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: AudioGames.net 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC Presentation Richard and Sander


  (for those still waiting)... presentation is now uploaded ok on:

  http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip

  So to start a thread to collect all places where we can find all presentations:

  Reid: http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com/gdc2006/tutorial/Games[CC]_gdc2006.ppt
  Richard & Sander: http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip
  Barrie: ?
  Michelle: ?
  Thomas: ?
  Giannis: ?
  (anyone I forgot?)

  I'll upload some GDC pics in a moment...

  Greets,

  Richard
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From richard at audiogames.net  Thu Apr  6 18:06:01 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:06:01 +0200
Subject: [games_access] GDC Presentation Richard and Sander
References: <6EA8E0A2-0E97-4AB2-9ED8-B462BC3C5EED@btinternet.com><a6673b8d0604061245x251244f9uab7b448b1b0bf70@mail.gmail.com><002901c659b8$11af1820$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><p06230988c05b2b9bf93c@[192.168.1.102]><003201c659be$2ba94650$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><004001c659bf$1b3e6f60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<00f501c659c4$1e5f9340$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <012d01c659c6$4b27bd10$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

*quote*
(anyone I forgot?)
*end quote*

Kevin of course!

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: AudioGames.net 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC Presentation Richard and Sander


  (for those still waiting)... presentation is now uploaded ok on:

  http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip

  So to start a thread to collect all places where we can find all presentations:

  Reid: http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com/gdc2006/tutorial/Games[CC]_gdc2006.ppt
  Richard & Sander: http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip
  Barrie: ?
  Michelle: ?
  Thomas: ?
  Giannis: ?
  (anyone I forgot?)

  I'll upload some GDC pics in a moment...

  Greets,

  Richard
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Apr  6 18:53:34 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:53:34 -0500
Subject: [games_access] GDC Presentation Richard and Sander
In-Reply-To: <012d01c659c6$4b27bd10$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <6EA8E0A2-0E97-4AB2-9ED8-B462BC3C5EED@btinternet.com><a6673b8d0604061245x2
	51244f9uab7b448b1b0bf70@mail.gmail.com><002901c659b8$11af1820$8e8b2ed5@Del
	letje><p06230988c05b2b9bf93c@[192.168.1.102]><003201c659be$2ba94650$8e8b2e
	d5@Delletje><004001c659bf$1b3e6f60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
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Message-ID: <p06230993c05b4a1a1f12@[192.168.1.102]>

and Tom who is writing a gamasutra column about game accessibility 
legal stuff, which could serve easily as his summary from his 
roundtable.

oh and goran! who did a roundtable -- could just summarize the main 
highlights of the discussion(s) about pedagogy and gaming

mine will be up on the sig website as soon as i get the ftp address 
for that again -- then i'll move everyone's there so that it's also 
at a permanent location that we could point to from the wiki. you 
can, of course, keep your presentations on your own servers as well 
-- the gdc would just like us to have a central location where they 
are all also at. :)

also, please comment on the gdc tutorial day at:
http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/GDC_Tutorial_2006_Comments

and comment on the roundtables at: 
http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/GDC_Roundtable_2006_Comments

this will help us with future planning and such. :)

Thanks, Richard, for starting up the list of links to the presentations!

m

>*quote*
>(anyone I forgot?)
>*end quote*
>
>Kevin of course!
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:richard at audiogames.net>AudioGames.net
>To: <mailto:games_access at igda.org>IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC Presentation Richard and Sander
>
>(for those still waiting)... presentation is now uploaded ok on:
>
><http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip>http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip
>
>So to start a thread to collect all places where we can find all 
>presentations:
>
>Reid: 
><http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com/gdc2006/tutorial/Games[CC]_gdc2006.ppt>http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com/gdc2006/tutorial/Games[CC]_gdc2006.ppt
>Richard & Sander: 
><http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip>http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip
>Barrie: ?
>Michelle: ?
>Thomas: ?
>Giannis: ?
>(anyone I forgot?)
>
>I'll upload some GDC pics in a moment...
>
>Greets,
>
>Richard
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Fri Apr  7 02:37:32 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:37:32 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Barrie's Guardian switches strange attractors ~:"
References: <6EA8E0A2-0E97-4AB2-9ED8-B462BC3C5EED@btinternet.com>
	<a6673b8d0604061245x251244f9uab7b448b1b0bf70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0a6101c65a0d$c02a4c30$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Aleks is a really great supporter of game accessibility, and I think helped 
massively boost last years Retro Remakes competition. Her regular column at 
the Guardian can be found here:

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/global/aleks_krotoski.html

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk







Awesome for Strange Attractors. The Doom3[CC] mod also got a mention.

I'm going to write a personal email (not on behalf of our group)
thanking him for writing the article. I also want to do the same for
the PC Gamer issue that talked about one button games.

-Reid

On 4/6/06, Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetwynd at btinternet.com> wrote:
> Barrie's Guardian switches strange attractors ~:"
>
> Congratulations:
>
> http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,1747333,00.html
>
> regards
>
> Jonathan Chetwynd
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access






From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Fri Apr  7 03:54:05 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:54:05 +0100
Subject: [games_access] One Handed Xbox 360 game play
Message-ID: <0ab901c65a18$716335c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Interesting web-page here of a gamer playing an Xbox 360 game with one hand:

http://www.solcon.nl/avee/ohgp/index.html

Any chance of some translation, Richard or Sander?

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Fri Apr  7 03:56:30 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:56:30 +0100
Subject: [games_access] One Handed Xbox 360 game play
References: <0ab901c65a18$716335c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <0acd01c65a18$c9257cf0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Doh! English translations here... http://www.solcon.nl/avee/ohgp/indexeng.html
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Barrie Ellis 
  To: IGDA GA mailing list 
  Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:54 AM
  Subject: [games_access] One Handed Xbox 360 game play


  Interesting web-page here of a gamer playing an Xbox 360 game with one hand:

  http://www.solcon.nl/avee/ohgp/index.html

  Any chance of some translation, Richard or Sander?

  Barrie
  www.OneSwitch.org.uk



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From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Apr  7 05:14:39 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:14:39 +0200
Subject: [games_access] One Handed Xbox 360 game play
References: <0ab901c65a18$716335c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<0acd01c65a18$c9257cf0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
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weird... not everything is actually translated...


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  From: Barrie Ellis 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [games_access] One Handed Xbox 360 game play


  Doh! English translations here... http://www.solcon.nl/avee/ohgp/indexeng.html
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Barrie Ellis 
    To: IGDA GA mailing list 
    Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:54 AM
    Subject: [games_access] One Handed Xbox 360 game play


    Interesting web-page here of a gamer playing an Xbox 360 game with one hand:

    http://www.solcon.nl/avee/ohgp/index.html

    Any chance of some translation, Richard or Sander?

    Barrie
    www.OneSwitch.org.uk



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From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Apr  7 05:39:06 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:39:06 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Audio Games (or at least: "audio for visually
	impaired gamers") at the Game Audio Conference in Austin,
	TX (September)
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Seems like ANOTHER trip to the states...

http://www.gameaudioconference.com/speakers/index.html

They haven't contacted us, though...

Greets,

Richard
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Fri Apr  7 07:05:07 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:05:07 +0100
Subject: [games_access] GDC 2006 Presentations thread
References: <6EA8E0A2-0E97-4AB2-9ED8-B462BC3C5EED@btinternet.com><a6673b8d0604061245x251244f9uab7b448b1b0bf70@mail.gmail.com><002901c659b8$11af1820$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><p06230988c05b2b9bf93c@[192.168.1.102]><003201c659be$2ba94650$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><004001c659bf$1b3e6f60$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
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> So to start a thread to collect all places where we can find all 
> presentations:

Reid: http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com/gdc2006/tutorial/Games[CC]_gdc2006.ppt
Richard & Sander: http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip
Barrie: http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/ARTICLES/physical-barriers.htm
Michelle: ?
Thomas: ?
Giannis: ?
Kevin: ?
(anyone I forgot?)

Top 10 Accessibility Features: http://tim.thechases.com/top10_2.pdf





From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri Apr  7 11:25:07 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:25:07 -0500
Subject: [games_access] One Handed Xbox 360 game play
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yeah, everything after picture two is still in dutch. is that because 
of all the secret plots to replace all flowers with dutch tulips? is 
that what they are saying? i knew it...

>weird... not everything is actually translated...
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>Barrie Ellis
>To: <mailto:games_access at igda.org>IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:56 AM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] One Handed Xbox 360 game play
>
>Doh! English translations here... 
><http://www.solcon.nl/avee/ohgp/indexeng.html>http://www.solcon.nl/avee/ohgp/indexeng.html
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>Barrie Ellis
>To: <mailto:games_access at igda.org>IGDA GA mailing list
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:54 AM
>Subject: [games_access] One Handed Xbox 360 game play
>
>Interesting web-page here of a gamer playing an Xbox 360 game with one hand:
>
><http://www.solcon.nl/avee/ohgp/index.html>http://www.solcon.nl/avee/ohgp/index.html
>
>Any chance of some translation, Richard or Sander?
>
>Barrie
><http://www.OneSwitch.org.uk>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
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From news at ebass.nl  Fri Apr  7 12:20:44 2006
From: news at ebass.nl (Sander H.)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:20:44 +0200
Subject: [games_access] One Handed Xbox 360 game play
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Fri Apr  7 13:29:52 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:29:52 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Audio games presentation + Demor
Message-ID: <000801c65a68$e14b1290$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Great job, Richard and Sander. Thoroughly enjoyed going through your audio games presentation. I wasn't aware of 'Demor' (http://student-kmt.hku.nl/~g7/site/index_.html) - What a fantastic fun idea.

Reminds me a little of a story I read last year: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4607449.stm - "Pacman comes to life virtually".

Barrie
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From rkimball at gmail.com  Fri Apr  7 14:07:27 2006
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:07:27 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Audio games presentation + Demor
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How did I forget about Demor? When I saw the video at GDC I thought it
was the greatest use of tech I've seen. I want one! How much? I'll
start saving now. :)

-Reid

On 4/7/06, Barrie Ellis <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Great job, Richard and Sander. Thoroughly enjoyed going through your audio
> games presentation. I wasn't aware of 'Demor'
> (http://student-kmt.hku.nl/~g7/site/index_.html) - What a
> fantastic fun idea.
>
> Reminds me a little of a story I read last year:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4607449.stm - "Pacman
> comes to life virtually".
>
> Barrie
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri Apr  7 14:21:14 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:21:14 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Audio games presentation + Demor
In-Reply-To: <a6673b8d0604071107x109475bfl6561f44e2649e44e@mail.gmail.com>
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indeed -- how do we get ours?????

>How did I forget about Demor? When I saw the video at GDC I thought it
>was the greatest use of tech I've seen. I want one! How much? I'll
>start saving now. :)
>
>-Reid
>
>On 4/7/06, Barrie Ellis <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>  Great job, Richard and Sander. Thoroughly enjoyed going through your audio
>>  games presentation. I wasn't aware of 'Demor'
>>  (http://student-kmt.hku.nl/~g7/site/index_.html) - What a
>>  fantastic fun idea.
>>
>>  Reminds me a little of a story I read last year:
>>  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4607449.stm - "Pacman
>>  comes to life virtually".
>>
>>  Barrie
>>  www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri Apr  7 14:24:27 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:24:27 -0500
Subject: [games_access] One Handed Xbox 360 game play
In-Reply-To: <4436915C.80509@ebass.nl>
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>I think he's still working on it....use lady Babelfish for the time 
>being to translate the dutch one. Babelfish offers dutch to English. 
>The powers of babelfish are enough to understand what's said :)
>
>Some lyrics of my band, translated from Dutch to English...very funny:
><http://www.kozcollective.nl/site/index.php?page=New_round_new_chances>http://www.kozcollective.nl/site/index.php?page=New_round_new_chances

whoa...i'm not sure i do understand some of these lyrics... ;) maybe 
i'll translate them back and forth a few times until it says nothing 
close to what you originally wrote:

cheetos...
coca-cola...
there's no money in this
michelle meant to write lyrics? no way!

yes, babelfish is the best. :)

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From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Apr  7 14:25:48 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:25:48 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Audio games presentation + Demor
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actually.... the project was made with a budget not more than 2000 or 3000 
euoro's I think...

Greets,

Richard (euoro's?)





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Audio games presentation + Demor


> indeed -- how do we get ours?????
>
>>How did I forget about Demor? When I saw the video at GDC I thought it
>>was the greatest use of tech I've seen. I want one! How much? I'll
>>start saving now. :)
>>
>>-Reid
>>
>>On 4/7/06, Barrie Ellis <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Great job, Richard and Sander. Thoroughly enjoyed going through your 
>>> audio
>>>  games presentation. I wasn't aware of 'Demor'
>>>  (http://student-kmt.hku.nl/~g7/site/index_.html) - What a
>>>  fantastic fun idea.
>>>
>>>  Reminds me a little of a story I read last year:
>>>  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4607449.stm - "Pacman
>>>  comes to life virtually".
>>>
>>>  Barrie
>>>  www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>>
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>>>  games_access at igda.org
>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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>>>
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From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Apr  7 14:26:48 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:26:48 +0200
Subject: [games_access] One Handed Xbox 360 game play
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Re: [games_access] One Handed Xbox 360 game playssssssstt.... that's secret!

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: d. michelle hinn 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [games_access] One Handed Xbox 360 game play


  yeah, everything after picture two is still in dutch. is that because of all the secret plots to replace all flowers with dutch tulips? is that what they are saying? i knew it...


    weird... not everything is actually translated...



      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Barrie Ellis
      To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
      Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:56 AM
      Subject: Re: [games_access] One Handed Xbox 360 game play


      Doh! English translations here... http://www.solcon.nl/avee/ohgp/indexeng.html

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Barrie Ellis
        To: IGDA GA mailing list
        Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:54 AM
        Subject: [games_access] One Handed Xbox 360 game play


        Interesting web-page here of a gamer playing an Xbox 360 game with one hand:

        http://www.solcon.nl/avee/ohgp/index.html

        Any chance of some translation, Richard or Sander?

        Barrie
        www.OneSwitch.org.uk



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From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Apr  7 14:27:28 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:27:28 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Audio games presentation + Demor
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thanks! I really enjoyed your (thorough) presentation/writing too.... haven't checked the Pacman link yet but I bet it is about PacLan?

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Barrie Ellis 
  To: IGDA GA mailing list 
  Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:29 PM
  Subject: [games_access] Audio games presentation + Demor


  Great job, Richard and Sander. Thoroughly enjoyed going through your audio games presentation. I wasn't aware of 'Demor' (http://student-kmt.hku.nl/~g7/site/index_.html) - What a fantastic fun idea.

  Reminds me a little of a story I read last year: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4607449.stm - "Pacman comes to life virtually".

  Barrie
  www.OneSwitch.org.uk



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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri Apr  7 14:29:06 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:29:06 -0500
Subject: [games_access] italian online magazine article
In-Reply-To: <4436915C.80509@ebass.nl>
References: <0ab901c65a18$716335c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
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for those of you very familiar with my "eye," (how they found that to 
put with this article, i have no idea), an italian gaming magazine 
has an interview with me up at:

http://www.videoludica.com/news.php?news=226

the italian version will be up soon. i'm afraid i was babelfished in 
a few areas -- we are all now a "research squad" (i actually really 
like that term...look out bad guys! the game accessibility research 
squad is on the way!)

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From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Apr  7 14:29:32 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:29:32 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Audio games presentation + Demor
References: <000801c65a68$e14b1290$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><a6673b8d0604071107x109475bfl6561f44e2649e44e@mail.gmail.com><p062309a5c05c5e019400@[192.168.1.102]>
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*quote*
> Richard (euoro's?)
*quote end*

I'm having some friends over and I just put way too much wodka in the frozen 
rasberry/strawberry slush.... so when I'm making too many typo's please 
forgive me ;)



From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Apr  7 14:33:21 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:33:21 +0200
Subject: [games_access] italian online magazine article
References: <0ab901c65a18$716335c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><0acd01c65a18$c9257cf0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><007b01c65a23$b30ee1d0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><p0623099ec05c3485a3fc@[192.168.1.102]>
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italian online magazine articlehehe .... 

"The retrogaming he is dead man, and the assassin is the digital distribution them." - I love BableFishy!

but err.... can't find anything on game accessibility... or your eye?


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: d. michelle hinn 
  To: news at ebass.nl ; IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Cc: Jason Della Rocca 
  Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:29 PM
  Subject: [games_access] italian online magazine article


  for those of you very familiar with my "eye," (how they found that to put with this article, i have no idea), an italian gaming magazine has an interview with me up at:


  http://www.videoludica.com/news.php?news=226


  the italian version will be up soon. i'm afraid i was babelfished in a few areas -- we are all now a "research squad" (i actually really like that term...look out bad guys! the game accessibility research squad is on the way!)


  michelle


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From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Apr  7 14:35:00 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:35:00 +0200
Subject: [games_access] italian online magazine article
References: <0ab901c65a18$716335c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><0acd01c65a18$c9257cf0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><007b01c65a23$b30ee1d0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><p0623099ec05c3485a3fc@[192.168.1.102]><4436915C.80509@ebass.nl>
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italian online magazine articleaha.... "will be up soon".... missed that, sorry ;)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [games_access] italian online magazine article


  hehe .... 

  "The retrogaming he is dead man, and the assassin is the digital distribution them." - I love BableFishy!

  but err.... can't find anything on game accessibility... or your eye?


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: d. michelle hinn 
    To: news at ebass.nl ; IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
    Cc: Jason Della Rocca 
    Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:29 PM
    Subject: [games_access] italian online magazine article


    for those of you very familiar with my "eye," (how they found that to put with this article, i have no idea), an italian gaming magazine has an interview with me up at:


    http://www.videoludica.com/news.php?news=226


    the italian version will be up soon. i'm afraid i was babelfished in a few areas -- we are all now a "research squad" (i actually really like that term...look out bad guys! the game accessibility research squad is on the way!)


    michelle


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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Fri Apr  7 15:32:14 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:32:14 +0100
Subject: [games_access] italian online magazine article
References: <0ab901c65a18$716335c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><0acd01c65a18$c9257cf0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><007b01c65a23$b30ee1d0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><p0623099ec05c3485a3fc@[192.168.1.102]>
	<4436915C.80509@ebass.nl> <p062309a7c05c5ee8ca4c@[192.168.1.102]>
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italian online magazine articleGood interview, Michelle 
(http://www.videoludica.com/news.php?news=226&lang=en ) - although I did 
wince a bit at the "Several million people who suffer from various kinds of 
disabilities" part.

Barrie
OneSwitch.org.uk



----- Original Message ----- 
From: d. michelle hinn
To: news at ebass.nl ; IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Cc: Jason Della Rocca
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:29 PM
Subject: [games_access] italian online magazine article


for those of you very familiar with my "eye," (how they found that to put 
with this article, i have no idea), an italian gaming magazine has an 
interview with me up at:


http://www.videoludica.com/news.php?news=226


the italian version will be up soon. i'm afraid i was babelfished in a few 
areas -- we are all now a "research squad" (i actually really like that 
term...look out bad guys! the game accessibility research squad is on the 
way!)


michelle



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From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Apr  7 15:39:30 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 21:39:30 +0200
Subject: [games_access] italian online magazine article
References: <0ab901c65a18$716335c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><0acd01c65a18$c9257cf0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><007b01c65a23$b30ee1d0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><p0623099ec05c3485a3fc@[192.168.1.102]><4436915C.80509@ebass.nl>
	<p062309a7c05c5ee8ca4c@[192.168.1.102]>
	<005d01c65a7a$03aeb8d0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <011401c65a7a$fdd60750$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Thanks for the link, Barrie! Cool interview, Michelle! Thanks for mentioning 
audio games as well ;)
And I guess that when you combine all disabled people from just Western 
countries (so not counting Africa and China, where there are many many 
disabled people as well) which use computers on a daily basis, you will get 
numbers that go in the millions....



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] italian online magazine article


> italian online magazine articleGood interview, Michelle 
> (http://www.videoludica.com/news.php?news=226&lang=en ) - although I did 
> wince a bit at the "Several million people who suffer from various kinds 
> of disabilities" part.
>
> Barrie
> OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: d. michelle hinn
> To: news at ebass.nl ; IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Cc: Jason Della Rocca
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:29 PM
> Subject: [games_access] italian online magazine article
>
>
> for those of you very familiar with my "eye," (how they found that to put 
> with this article, i have no idea), an italian gaming magazine has an 
> interview with me up at:
>
>
> http://www.videoludica.com/news.php?news=226
>
>
> the italian version will be up soon. i'm afraid i was babelfished in a few 
> areas -- we are all now a "research squad" (i actually really like that 
> term...look out bad guys! the game accessibility research squad is on the 
> way!)
>
>
> michelle
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> games_access at igda.org
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>
>
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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Fri Apr  7 16:10:49 2006
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:10:49 -0400
Subject: [games_access] hands free counte strike PC.  Bobby's video.
Message-ID: <017b01c65a7f$5de1bfa0$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>

Below is any knowledge is cut from Bobby who fell me on the Internet he is a sea for quadriplegic and plays counterstrike first-person game with voice activation and sip and puff.  Check out his video on his download page the one that's as video I think there are two of them.  I just did they are great and I just e-mailed him back I'm hoping to start learning this technology so I can implemented in my game designs.

"Hey Robert,

I came across your website while searching around the net for computer aided gamming equipment. I was also injured when I was 14 years old just only a few years earlier in 1984. I'm a quad C 3-4. I have been gamming since the late 90's but mainly on the PC. I have competed in online gamming for the few years. Counterstrike is the primary game I play and have competed in LAN tournaments and online gamming leagues. I'm in a clan that my brother and me started up about 5-6 years ago. I use two different head tracking devices which are the Tracker One from Madentec and the other is the SmartNAV from Naturalpoint. I also use two different sip and puff switches, WISP 2000 for the Tracker One and a sip and puff switch from Origin Instruments for the SmartNAV. To aid in extra keyboard buttons I use a voice activated program called Gamecommander 3. With these tools I can play pretty much any game made for the PC. I watched the video's on your site and must say that's pretty damn impressive. I have a few video's on my website of how I play PC games if you want to checkout at www.wudup.net , there in the download section. 


I give you mad prop's for doing all you're doing. Keep it up!




Bobby G"

Robert

AI online SGA President

arthit73 at cablespeed.com 

www.RobertFlorio.com 
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From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Apr  7 16:09:24 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:09:24 +0200
Subject: [games_access] hands free counte strike PC.  Bobby's video.
References: <017b01c65a7f$5de1bfa0$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>
Message-ID: <012b01c65a7f$2a790b00$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Cool! Thanks, Robert!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert Florio 
  To: games_access at igda.org 
  Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:10 PM
  Subject: [games_access] hands free counte strike PC. Bobby's video.


  Below is any knowledge is cut from Bobby who fell me on the Internet he is a sea for quadriplegic and plays counterstrike first-person game with voice activation and sip and puff.  Check out his video on his download page the one that's as video I think there are two of them.  I just did they are great and I just e-mailed him back I'm hoping to start learning this technology so I can implemented in my game designs.

  "Hey Robert, 

  I came across your website while searching around the net for computer aided gamming equipment. I was also injured when I was 14 years old just only a few years earlier in 1984. I'm a quad C 3-4. I have been gamming since the late 90's but mainly on the PC. I have competed in online gamming for the few years. Counterstrike is the primary game I play and have competed in LAN tournaments and online gamming leagues. I'm in a clan that my brother and me started up about 5-6 years ago. I use two different head tracking devices which are the Tracker One from Madentec and the other is the SmartNAV from Naturalpoint. I also use two different sip and puff switches, WISP 2000 for the Tracker One and a sip and puff switch from Origin Instruments for the SmartNAV. To aid in extra keyboard buttons I use a voice activated program called Gamecommander 3. With these tools I can play pretty much any game made for the PC. I watched the video's on your site and must say that's pretty damn impressive. I have a few video's on my website of how I play PC games if you want to checkout at www.wudup.net , there in the download section. 


  I give you mad prop's for doing all you're doing. Keep it up!




  Bobby G"

  Robert

  AI online SGA President

  arthit73 at cablespeed.com 

  www.RobertFlorio.com 



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From rkimball at gmail.com  Fri Apr  7 16:41:50 2006
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:41:50 -0700
Subject: [games_access] hands free counte strike PC. Bobby's video.
In-Reply-To: <012b01c65a7f$2a790b00$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <017b01c65a7f$5de1bfa0$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>
	<012b01c65a7f$2a790b00$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0604071341r5be6546bu9130385f27f787bd@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.csnation.net/articles.php/71/

Great article that goes into detail how Bobby rigs up the various
devices so he can play. This is really cool to see. Get this up on the
blog pretty please.

-Reid

On 4/7/06, AudioGames.net <richard at audiogames.net> wrote:
>
> Cool! Thanks, Robert!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Florio
> To: games_access at igda.org
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:10 PM
> Subject: [games_access] hands free counte strike PC. Bobby's video.
>
>
> Below is any knowledge is cut from Bobby who fell me on the Internet he is a
> sea for quadriplegic and plays counterstrike first-person game with voice
> activation and sip and puff.  Check out his video on his download page the
> one that's as video I think there are two of them.  I just did they are
> great and I just e-mailed him back I'm hoping to start learning this
> technology so I can implemented in my game designs.
>
> "Hey Robert,
>
>
>
> I came across your website while searching around the net for computer aided
> gamming equipment. I was also injured when I was 14 years old just only a
> few years earlier in 1984. I'm a quad C 3-4. I have been gamming since the
> late 90's but mainly on the PC. I have competed in online gamming for the
> few years. Counterstrike is the primary game I play and have competed in LAN
> tournaments and online gamming leagues. I'm in a clan that my brother and me
> started up about 5-6 years ago. I use two different head tracking devices
> which are the Tracker One from Madentec and the other is the SmartNAV from
> Naturalpoint. I also use two different sip and puff switches, WISP 2000 for
> the Tracker One and a sip and puff switch from Origin Instruments for the
> SmartNAV. To aid in extra keyboard buttons I use a voice activated program
> called Gamecommander 3. With these tools I can play pretty much any game
> made for the PC. I watched the video's on your site and must say that's
> pretty damn impressive. I have a few video's on my website of how I play PC
> games if you want to checkout at www.wudup.net , there in the download
> section.
>
>
>
> I give you mad prop's for doing all you're doing. Keep it up!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bobby G"
>
> Robert
>
> AI online SGA President
>
> arthit73 at cablespeed.com
>
> www.RobertFlorio.com
>
>
>  ________________________________
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
>
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>
>
>


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri Apr  7 17:18:14 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:18:14 -0500
Subject: [games_access] italian online magazine
 article
Message-ID: <c49fe638.a56bd7db.11e44c00@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

the english version is up -- if you press the "eng" it should
come up as a news headline...but maybe they "fixed" that? it
wasn't up in italian at all yet.

---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:35:00 +0200
>From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>  
>Subject: Re: [games_access] italian online magazine article  
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
<games_access at igda.org>
>
>   aha.... "will be up soon".... missed that, sorry ;)
>    
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: AudioGames.net
>     To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>     Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:33 PM
>     Subject: Re: [games_access] italian online
>     magazine article
>     hehe .... 
>      
>     "The retrogaming he is dead man, and the assassin
>     is the digital distribution them." - I love
>     BableFishy!
>      
>     but err.... can't find anything on game
>     accessibility... or your eye?
>      
>      
>
>       ----- Original Message -----
>       From: d. michelle hinn
>       To: news at ebass.nl ; IGDA Games Accessibility SIG
>       Mailing List
>       Cc: Jason Della Rocca
>       Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:29 PM
>       Subject: [games_access] italian online magazine
>       article
>       for those of you very familiar with my "eye,"
>       (how they found that to put with this article, i
>       have no idea), an italian gaming magazine has an
>       interview with me up at:
>       http://www.videoludica.com/news.php?news=226
>       the italian version will be up soon. i'm afraid
>       i was babelfished in a few areas -- we are all
>       now a "research squad" (i actually really like
>       that term...look out bad guys! the game
>       accessibility research squad is on the way!)
>       michelle
>
>     ------------------------------------------------
>
>       _______________________________________________
>       games_access mailing list
>       games_access at igda.org
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>
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>
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.......................................
these are mediocre times and people are 
losing hope. it's hard for many people 
to believe that there are extraordinary 
things inside themselves, as well as 
others. i hope you can keep an open 
mind.
 -- "unbreakable"
.......................................


From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Apr  7 17:29:09 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 23:29:09 +0200
Subject: [games_access] italian online magazine article
References: <c49fe638.a56bd7db.11e44c00@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <015b01c65a8a$4e7d50a0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

exactly... when I received BArrie's post, I clicked his link (with the 
"ENG"), then went back to the site's homepage (http://www.videoludica.com/) 
and there was your eye again, in English... ;)

Richard (


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] italian online magazine article


> the english version is up -- if you press the "eng" it should
> come up as a news headline...but maybe they "fixed" that? it
> wasn't up in italian at all yet.
>
> ---- Original message ----
>>Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 20:35:00 +0200
>>From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] italian online magazine article
>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> <games_access at igda.org>
>>
>>   aha.... "will be up soon".... missed that, sorry ;)
>>
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>     From: AudioGames.net
>>     To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>     Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:33 PM
>>     Subject: Re: [games_access] italian online
>>     magazine article
>>     hehe ....
>>
>>     "The retrogaming he is dead man, and the assassin
>>     is the digital distribution them." - I love
>>     BableFishy!
>>
>>     but err.... can't find anything on game
>>     accessibility... or your eye?
>>
>>
>>
>>       ----- Original Message -----
>>       From: d. michelle hinn
>>       To: news at ebass.nl ; IGDA Games Accessibility SIG
>>       Mailing List
>>       Cc: Jason Della Rocca
>>       Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:29 PM
>>       Subject: [games_access] italian online magazine
>>       article
>>       for those of you very familiar with my "eye,"
>>       (how they found that to put with this article, i
>>       have no idea), an italian gaming magazine has an
>>       interview with me up at:
>>       http://www.videoludica.com/news.php?news=226
>>       the italian version will be up soon. i'm afraid
>>       i was babelfished in a few areas -- we are all
>>       now a "research squad" (i actually really like
>>       that term...look out bad guys! the game
>>       accessibility research squad is on the way!)
>>       michelle
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------
>>
>>       _______________________________________________
>>       games_access mailing list
>>       games_access at igda.org
>>       http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     games_access mailing list
>>     games_access at igda.org
>>     http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>________________
>>_______________________________________________
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>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> .......................................
> these are mediocre times and people are
> losing hope. it's hard for many people
> to believe that there are extraordinary
> things inside themselves, as well as
> others. i hope you can keep an open
> mind.
> -- "unbreakable"
> .......................................
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri Apr  7 18:11:35 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:11:35 -0500
Subject: [games_access] italian online magazine
 article
Message-ID: <8365a51e.a570ba1a.f941100@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

yeah, it's funny -- i don't think that was the way the
original question was posed but yeah...if you started to do a
world count then we might be in the millions. 

like i said...i think i was a bit babelfished on things -- but
overall it turned out fine. :) i thought i'd given him your
website link, richard, but it was done a few months back so
who can remember? ;)

---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 21:39:30 +0200
>From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>  
>Subject: Re: [games_access] italian online magazine article  
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
<games_access at igda.org>
>
>Thanks for the link, Barrie! Cool interview, Michelle! Thanks
for mentioning 
>audio games as well ;)
>And I guess that when you combine all disabled people from
just Western 
>countries (so not counting Africa and China, where there are
many many 
>disabled people as well) which use computers on a daily
basis, you will get 
>numbers that go in the millions....
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
<games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:32 PM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] italian online magazine article
>
>
>> italian online magazine articleGood interview, Michelle 
>> (http://www.videoludica.com/news.php?news=226&lang=en ) -
although I did 
>> wince a bit at the "Several million people who suffer from
various kinds 
>> of disabilities" part.
>>
>> Barrie
>> OneSwitch.org.uk
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: d. michelle hinn
>> To: news at ebass.nl ; IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>> Cc: Jason Della Rocca
>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:29 PM
>> Subject: [games_access] italian online magazine article
>>
>>
>> for those of you very familiar with my "eye," (how they
found that to put 
>> with this article, i have no idea), an italian gaming
magazine has an 
>> interview with me up at:
>>
>>
>> http://www.videoludica.com/news.php?news=226
>>
>>
>> the italian version will be up soon. i'm afraid i was
babelfished in a few 
>> areas -- we are all now a "research squad" (i actually
really like that 
>> term...look out bad guys! the game accessibility research
squad is on the 
>> way!)
>>
>>
>> michelle
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
.......................................
these are mediocre times and people are 
losing hope. it's hard for many people 
to believe that there are extraordinary 
things inside themselves, as well as 
others. i hope you can keep an open 
mind.
 -- "unbreakable"
.......................................


From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Sat Apr  8 13:39:38 2006
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:39:38 -0400
Subject: [games_access] research squad
Message-ID: <01d601c65b33$698a0330$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>

Michelle I agree that does have a catchy nice word-of-mouth ring to it.  Reach search squad is a great word and I love how in the Italian interview you mention we are trying to create a rating system and I think like the ESRB they are an organization gamers send their tapes to so they might be paying for the service we truly could create this I think it's needed some sort of company that creates games accessible for everyone to the mainstream systems platforms and also rates the system game would be a great resource company.  I will head toward that in my own efforts just like all of us are but whoever gets there with the most success that's going to be something worth doing I'm so glad we're all working together to get there.

How did they find a picture of your I did the interview you at GDC this year or something?  That is funny.  I didn't know that video games were as popular as this much as this article might suggest from Italy because we were talking with Sander and Richard with my mother as you know we are Italian and they mentioned it wasn't too popular there yet or someone said that maybe my mother.
Thanks

AI online SGA President

arthit73 at cablespeed.com

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From rkimball at gmail.com  Sat Apr  8 21:11:40 2006
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:11:40 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Games[CC] Seeks Opinions
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0604081811t3cd0a63evf7cb4c3f55b45227@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone,

I have a poll up at my Games[CC] website
(http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com) asking which genre of game we should
look to for selecting our next game to close caption. I've explained
it in more detail at the site if interested. Feel free to vote and
influence the future direction of Games[CC], thanks!

-Reid


From richard at audiogames.net  Sun Apr  9 04:59:08 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:59:08 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Games[CC] Seeks Opinions
References: <a6673b8d0604081811t3cd0a63evf7cb4c3f55b45227@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003301c65bb3$dc7fe280$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hi,

Sorry to bring this up (since we'd all want millions of people to start 
voting right away) but I'd like to make a few suggestions that would improve 
your poll, in my opinion. I'd add the following (generally agreed to be 
computer) genres:

- music/rhythm games (singstar, guitar hero, dancedancerevolution, donkey 
konga, vib ribbon, etc.)*
- racing games (needforspeed, motogp4, gran turismo, project gotham racing, 
etc)
(- platform games (this is a little outdated and would now certainly go into 
the action/adventure genre - better leave this one from the poll but I'd 
just wanted to mention it)

"Casual" isn't a genre like the others in the list ; "Casual game" is a term 
coined to refer to video games designed to be played to completion in a few 
minutes or less. You could have a 'casual puzzle game' as well as a 'casual 
shooter game'. If you decide to add this one, than you'd certainly have to 
add other (non-)genres as well, such as serious games, mainstream games, 
mobile games, kids games (<7?), etc. But I wouldn't do that in one poll and 
it makes things more complicated (people would want to start voting on a 
'serious mobile action/adventure game for kids')..

I'm a bit unsure what you mean with the "space-exploration/conquest "-genre. 
Can you name an example which is not an RPG, RTS or action/adventure game?

Otherwise, great initiative, Reid!

Greets,

Richard

* I would be very interested in seeing a game that revolves around sound and 
music to be made accessible for people with hearing disabilities. Although I 
bet that since all cue's are already visually present, you can probable play 
these games even without sound...

ps: anyone already know this old petition: 
http://www.petitiononline.com/Captions/petition.html









----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reid Kimball" <rkimball at gmail.com>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 3:11 AM
Subject: [games_access] Games[CC] Seeks Opinions


Hey everyone,

I have a poll up at my Games[CC] website
(http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com) asking which genre of game we should
look to for selecting our next game to close caption. I've explained
it in more detail at the site if interested. Feel free to vote and
influence the future direction of Games[CC], thanks!

-Reid
_______________________________________________
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From richard at audiogames.net  Sun Apr  9 06:09:23 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:09:23 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Some thoughts on games with CC
References: <a6673b8d0604081811t3cd0a63evf7cb4c3f55b45227@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002101c65bbd$acd36700$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hi,

Reid mentioned several times during the GDC that there are only about 3 games that are close-captioned. When I heard this my initial though was "that can't be... what about Syberia 1 & 2, most adventures made with the SCUMM engine (Monkey Island, Maniac Mansion, Grim Fandango, etc.), and gameX and gameY, etc." . Well, some games made with the SCUMM engine don't use auditory dialog at all (like Maniac Mansion) so captioning was all there was to express dialog. But still, there are at least 5 games I thought I'd know with captioning that Reid did not mention.

So then I remembered the difference between (closed) captioning and subtitling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_captioning) . And it turned out (of course) that the examples I thought of are examples of subtitles instead of captioning. But then I had a look around to see if there is some info on possible accessibility problems in these games (surely there's a deaf person out there still stuck in Monkey Island simply because it can't hear a clue. And I found this (on of of the Monkey Island games):

"Needless to say, you must also hone your senses to succeed in this adventure and give your imagination full rein. Clues abound, but only if you watch and listen for them. This means that there are clues in descriptions of persons and items and, much to my great relief, you can enable text subtitles so you don't miss a single thing. Even the opening sequence has subtitles, but you do have to enter the game first and enable this feature before you will get them. The dialogue is thoroughly entertaining and it's worth exhausting every conversation, not only to extract all the clues, but also to get some extra laughs. And watch out for all the quips taken straight out of Lucas Films such as Star Wars and Indiana Jones." - http://www.quandaryland.com/jsp/dispArticle.jsp?index=189

Then I had a look at DeafGamers.com, since I remember they have their own rating system for game accessibility over there: http://www.deafgamers.com/dgclassification.htm .
And found that DeafGamers.com too states that "...only Half-Life 2 springs to mind as being a game worthy of an A grade." While reading their reviews I found that there are actually quite a lot of games that easily have a "B"-rating and are not an "A" because of the caption/subtitle difference. However, as I read on, it turned out that most (if not all) "B"-rated games are FULLY playable while not having captions. Meaning: captioning was not present BUT captioning was not necessary for accessibility anyway.

So, to end this random-thinking-writing of mine with a point: I just found out for myself that there are many games out there with subtitles and which only lack captions which are not needed anyway to play the game. Maybe we should do something with this information... because after leaving the GDC it seemed like there were only 3 accessible games for deaf gamers?

Babble...

Ries

http://www.audiogames.net 
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From rkimball at gmail.com  Sun Apr  9 15:29:30 2006
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:29:30 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Games[CC] Seeks Opinions
In-Reply-To: <003301c65bb3$dc7fe280$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <a6673b8d0604081811t3cd0a63evf7cb4c3f55b45227@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c65bb3$dc7fe280$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0604091229r618a52ccib31af8a86745681e@mail.gmail.com>

All your points are correct. Keep in mind that most games aren't open
to modders. I don't have access to software development kits for most
music based games, which are on the consoles. That said, I also don't
have access to most games fall into the casual market. I've modified
the poll a bit to list only the categories I see us having access to a
software developer kit. Thanks,

-Reid

On 4/9/06, AudioGames.net <richard at audiogames.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry to bring this up (since we'd all want millions of people to start
> voting right away) but I'd like to make a few suggestions that would improve
> your poll, in my opinion. I'd add the following (generally agreed to be
> computer) genres:
>
> - music/rhythm games (singstar, guitar hero, dancedancerevolution, donkey
> konga, vib ribbon, etc.)*
> - racing games (needforspeed, motogp4, gran turismo, project gotham racing,
> etc)
> (- platform games (this is a little outdated and would now certainly go into
> the action/adventure genre - better leave this one from the poll but I'd
> just wanted to mention it)
>
> "Casual" isn't a genre like the others in the list ; "Casual game" is a term
> coined to refer to video games designed to be played to completion in a few
> minutes or less. You could have a 'casual puzzle game' as well as a 'casual
> shooter game'. If you decide to add this one, than you'd certainly have to
> add other (non-)genres as well, such as serious games, mainstream games,
> mobile games, kids games (<7?), etc. But I wouldn't do that in one poll and
> it makes things more complicated (people would want to start voting on a
> 'serious mobile action/adventure game for kids')..
>
> I'm a bit unsure what you mean with the "space-exploration/conquest "-genre.
> Can you name an example which is not an RPG, RTS or action/adventure game?
>
> Otherwise, great initiative, Reid!
>
> Greets,
>
> Richard
>
> * I would be very interested in seeing a game that revolves around sound and
> music to be made accessible for people with hearing disabilities. Although I
> bet that since all cue's are already visually present, you can probable play
> these games even without sound...
>
> ps: anyone already know this old petition:
> http://www.petitiononline.com/Captions/petition.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Reid Kimball" <rkimball at gmail.com>
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 3:11 AM
> Subject: [games_access] Games[CC] Seeks Opinions
>
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I have a poll up at my Games[CC] website
> (http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com) asking which genre of game we should
> look to for selecting our next game to close caption. I've explained
> it in more detail at the site if interested. Feel free to vote and
> influence the future direction of Games[CC], thanks!
>
> -Reid
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From rkimball at gmail.com  Sun Apr  9 15:52:27 2006
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:52:27 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Some thoughts on games with CC
In-Reply-To: <002101c65bbd$acd36700$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <a6673b8d0604081811t3cd0a63evf7cb4c3f55b45227@mail.gmail.com>
	<002101c65bbd$acd36700$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0604091252sebf1878udcf60700cd5a32d@mail.gmail.com>

Well, OK, you caught me... or something. 99% of games (with the except
of audio games) are accessible, i.e., playable to a degree for hard of
hearing or deaf gamers.

That doesn't mean the experience is enjoyable though. That doesn't
meant that closed captioning isn't needed. Playing games with
subtitles is more enjoyable than without. Playing with full closed
captioning is even better! I always bring up this example when
explaining why games need closed captioning.

I was playing Max Payne 2 and found myself inside a large Masion
level. I walked up some stairs and there was a single door that was
closed. I walked up to the door to open it, but nothing happened. As I
turned to walk away, suddenly the door flew off its hinges towards me
and killed me instantly.

I was frickin' pissed. I was ready to put the game down and stop
playing. Curse Max Payne! Curse Remedy! Curse 3D Realms! Curse 'em
all!

I calmed down, restarted my last save, which was a fair ways back,
replayed what I had already done so, slightly annoyed at the
repetativeness of it all and made my way back to the door. This time,
I turned up the volume much louder than I had it before. I saved my
game, walked up to the door and listened closely.

I heard voices on the other side of the door, voices that said, "She's
set to blow! Get going!"

The door once again exploded and killed me instantly. "AH HA!" I said
to myself, "There be clues in them whisperin' voices." and from that
moment on, I realized that gaming for someone that is hearing impaired
or deaf can be extremely frustrating and a poor experience because
they can miss out on very important audio clues.

As a developer, I understand the motivations we have when creating a
game. We want to provide the most exhilerating experience possible. We
want to challenge and inspire gamers and do everything in our power to
lessen the negative frustrations of playing a game without making it
too easy. Ignoring closed captioning is to ignore the one of the many
core goals of a game developer, to alieviate frustrations gamers can
have during play.

With all this talk about next generation, there's a push for not only
next gen graphics, but also next gen gameplay. Gameplay is getting
more and more complex as our games mature and provide gamers with
richer experiences. Those multi-layered, in depth gaming experiences
will require the use of closed captioning if a hard of hearing/deaf
gamer is to have the full experience intended by the game designer.

-Reid



On 4/9/06, AudioGames.net <richard at audiogames.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Reid mentioned several times during the GDC that there are only about 3
> games that are close-captioned. When I heard this my initial though was
> "that can't be... what about Syberia 1 & 2, most adventures made with the
> SCUMM engine (Monkey Island, Maniac Mansion, Grim Fandango, etc.), and gameX
> and gameY, etc." . Well, some games made with the SCUMM engine don't use
> auditory dialog at all (like Maniac Mansion) so captioning was all there was
> to express dialog. But still, there are at least 5 games I thought I'd know
> with captioning that Reid did not mention.
>
> So then I remembered the difference between (closed) captioning and
> subtitling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_captioning)
> . And it turned out (of course) that the examples I thought of are examples
> of subtitles instead of captioning. But then I had a look around to see if
> there is some info on possible accessibility problems in these games (surely
> there's a deaf person out there still stuck in Monkey Island simply because
> it can't hear a clue. And I found this (on of of the Monkey Island games):
>
> "Needless to say, you must also hone your senses to succeed in this
> adventure and give your imagination full rein. Clues abound, but only if you
> watch and listen for them. This means that there are clues in descriptions
> of persons and items and, much to my great relief, you can enable text
> subtitles so you don't miss a single thing. Even the opening sequence has
> subtitles, but you do have to enter the game first and enable this feature
> before you will get them. The dialogue is thoroughly entertaining and it's
> worth exhausting every conversation, not only to extract all the clues, but
> also to get some extra laughs. And watch out for all the quips taken
> straight out of Lucas Films such as Star Wars and Indiana Jones." -
> http://www.quandaryland.com/jsp/dispArticle.jsp?index=189
>
> Then I had a look at DeafGamers.com, since I remember they have their own
> rating system for game accessibility over there:
> http://www.deafgamers.com/dgclassification.htm .
> And found that DeafGamers.com too states that "...only Half-Life 2 springs
> to mind as being a game worthy of an A grade." While reading their reviews I
> found that there are actually quite a lot of games that easily have a
> "B"-rating and are not an "A" because of the caption/subtitle difference.
> However, as I read on, it turned out that most (if not all) "B"-rated games
> are FULLY playable while not having captions. Meaning: captioning was not
> present BUT captioning was not necessary for accessibility anyway.
>
> So, to end this random-thinking-writing of mine with a point: I just found
> out for myself that there are many games out there with subtitles and which
> only lack captions which are not needed anyway to play the game. Maybe we
> should do something with this information... because after leaving the GDC
> it seemed like there were only 3 accessible games for deaf gamers?
>
> Babble...
>
> Ries
>
> http://www.audiogames.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
>


From richard at audiogames.net  Sun Apr  9 16:13:50 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:13:50 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Games[CC] Seeks Opinions
References: <a6673b8d0604081811t3cd0a63evf7cb4c3f55b45227@mail.gmail.com><003301c65bb3$dc7fe280$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<a6673b8d0604091229r618a52ccib31af8a86745681e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c65c12$1e35d910$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Ah ok, I hadn't taken the availability of SDK's into account... sorry :)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reid Kimball" <rkimball at gmail.com>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Games[CC] Seeks Opinions


All your points are correct. Keep in mind that most games aren't open
to modders. I don't have access to software development kits for most
music based games, which are on the consoles. That said, I also don't
have access to most games fall into the casual market. I've modified
the poll a bit to list only the categories I see us having access to a
software developer kit. Thanks,

-Reid

On 4/9/06, AudioGames.net <richard at audiogames.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry to bring this up (since we'd all want millions of people to start
> voting right away) but I'd like to make a few suggestions that would 
> improve
> your poll, in my opinion. I'd add the following (generally agreed to be
> computer) genres:
>
> - music/rhythm games (singstar, guitar hero, dancedancerevolution, donkey
> konga, vib ribbon, etc.)*
> - racing games (needforspeed, motogp4, gran turismo, project gotham 
> racing,
> etc)
> (- platform games (this is a little outdated and would now certainly go 
> into
> the action/adventure genre - better leave this one from the poll but I'd
> just wanted to mention it)
>
> "Casual" isn't a genre like the others in the list ; "Casual game" is a 
> term
> coined to refer to video games designed to be played to completion in a 
> few
> minutes or less. You could have a 'casual puzzle game' as well as a 
> 'casual
> shooter game'. If you decide to add this one, than you'd certainly have to
> add other (non-)genres as well, such as serious games, mainstream games,
> mobile games, kids games (<7?), etc. But I wouldn't do that in one poll 
> and
> it makes things more complicated (people would want to start voting on a
> 'serious mobile action/adventure game for kids')..
>
> I'm a bit unsure what you mean with the "space-exploration/conquest 
> "-genre.
> Can you name an example which is not an RPG, RTS or action/adventure game?
>
> Otherwise, great initiative, Reid!
>
> Greets,
>
> Richard
>
> * I would be very interested in seeing a game that revolves around sound 
> and
> music to be made accessible for people with hearing disabilities. Although 
> I
> bet that since all cue's are already visually present, you can probable 
> play
> these games even without sound...
>
> ps: anyone already know this old petition:
> http://www.petitiononline.com/Captions/petition.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Reid Kimball" <rkimball at gmail.com>
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 3:11 AM
> Subject: [games_access] Games[CC] Seeks Opinions
>
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I have a poll up at my Games[CC] website
> (http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com) asking which genre of game we should
> look to for selecting our next game to close caption. I've explained
> it in more detail at the site if interested. Feel free to vote and
> influence the future direction of Games[CC], thanks!
>
> -Reid
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
_______________________________________________
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http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sun Apr  9 16:30:50 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:30:50 -0500
Subject: [games_access] research squad
In-Reply-To: <01d601c65b33$698a0330$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>
References: <01d601c65b33$698a0330$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>
Message-ID: <p06230902c05f1ede0b34@[192.168.1.101]>

hey robert! actually the interview was done several months ago -- 
december or january, i forget. not sure how they got the picture of 
my eye but it's all over the net by now so they probably grabbed it 
from somewhere! yeah, i'm not sure about the popularity of games in 
italy but there must be at least some researchers interested in game 
studies there to have launched this magazine.

michelle

>Michelle I agree that does have a catchy nice word-of-mouth ring to 
>it.  Reach search squad is a great word and I love how in the 
>Italian interview you mention we are trying to create a rating 
>system and I think like the ESRB they are an organization gamers 
>send their tapes to so they might be paying for the service we truly 
>could create this I think it's needed some sort of company that 
>creates games accessible for everyone to the mainstream systems 
>platforms and also rates the system game would be a great resource 
>company.  I will head toward that in my own efforts just like all of 
>us are but whoever gets there with the most success that's going to 
>be something worth doing I'm so glad we're all working together to 
>get there.
>
>How did they find a picture of your I did the interview you at GDC 
>this year or something?  That is funny.  I didn't know that video 
>games were as popular as this much as this article might suggest 
>from Italy because we were talking with Sander and Richard with my 
>mother as you know we are Italian and they mentioned it wasn't too 
>popular there yet or someone said that maybe my mother.
>Thanks
>
>AI online SGA President
>
>arthit73 at cablespeed.com
>
>www.RobertFlorio.com
>
>
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Mon Apr 10 02:56:24 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:56:24 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Adapting games for greater access - Controls
References: <020d01c658ac$c85216c0$0200a8c0@KELLY>
Message-ID: <00de01c65c6b$e2616e90$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Hi Kelly,

Could you please explain a bit more about your present game interface? Can 
the game be solely played with a mouse, or do you need some keyboard usage 
too?

It would be good for us to give it some more thought regarding how it could 
be made more accessible.

Cheers,

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "K" <k at kellyrued.net>
To: <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:30 PM
Subject: [games_access] RE: Another list... (and follow up info on Top 3 
forindies thread)


> >I'd bundle everyone together and *only* developers deliberately working 
> >on
>>game accessibility.
>
> I'm gonna disagree slightly on that suggestion Richard :) Indie developers
> have SO much less to work with, especially those that are actually
> independent and not 3rd party developers working with a publisher. It's 
> very
> easy to say "ok, when we're bigger, we'll do this stuff" knowing that our
> games have the same accessibility problems as a bigger production's would. 
> I
> think it would be nice to salute the smaller companies for taking what's 
> no
> doubt a bigger chunk of their resources overall to do the right thing by
> their players. It opens up new markets but since you don't really know how
> much impact various changes will have it's hard to justify in a budget 
> what
> benefit, if any, accessibility feature X would have on the project's 
> bottom
> line.
>
> Plus it would be neat to show that so-and-so at the IGF who only had a 20k
> budget still found a way to make closed captioning or something a 
> priority.
> :) Most games are made with C++, Java, Flash, Shockwave, etc. so I'm 
> hoping
> to see people release opensource code libraries/plugins with accessibility
> features in them for mix-n-match use so it's a matter of
> integration/customizing rather than engineering from scratch and 
> researching
> the design, then the technical design, then the implementation and testing
> for general cases that could be done once and then shared and customized 
> for
> special cases. Throw in some tools- utility code that allows designers and
> artists to *see* what their art/game looks like to someone with various
> visual problems or audio problems (cripples it in some way), and you'd 
> have
> a turn-key suite of tools that any developer could use to put a big dent 
> in
> their accessibility problem-identifying and solving efforts.
>
> But I am biased, as an indie working on funded and unfunded projects under
> different brands right now. It's the unfunded one we're trying to squeeze 
> in
> accessibility for because the others fall under that suggested definition 
> of
> people who shouldn't make games LOL (heh, it's really not a game where 
> audio
> adds a ton to the play honestly- the audio is just a backdrop to create
> tension/mood while they play (trivia games) and the sfx all have 
> correlating
> onscreen text-based feedback of visual effects to convey the same meaning-
> plus they are already self-paced and trivial pursuit style (we have a beta
> test copy, www.isergames.com The Sex Ed Game, if anyone is interested in
> testing for accessibility issues, let me know off-list and I'll send you 
> the
> dl info)). It's too late to add *major* features to that release but I 
> think
> it does pretty well- might be issues with the art contrast/etc. but like I
> mentioned before while I can *hear* where audio is important I can't *see*
> where our graphics might be hard to see to people with different vision
> issues (I don't know enough yet about the different visual impairments to
> say either way).
>
> In my spare time now (ha) I'm reading your SIG white paper 'Game not Over'
> and going through your top 10 list and other resources to analyze our 
> bigger
> game, Rapture Online (an MMOEG, basically an adults-only MMORPG), for
> accessibility needs. Thanks so much for your feedback so far- I'm sure 
> that
> if I have questions and when I reach a final plan/analysis I'm going to
> share a link to it here.
>
> I doubt my process will be super or comprehensive as this is the first 
> time
> I've done this but I am going to document what I did anyways on our site 
> in
> case other game designers want to try the same thing. It's exciting though
> to think that I could anticipate these problems and make the game a good
> experience for everyone right "out of the box." I really hope to see more
> guides and workshops about how to analyze your game design for 
> accessibility
> issues... there was an all day tutorial at GDC that ran up against my
> serious games schedule for The Sex Ed Game, but perhaps that's what you 
> all
> covered. :) I'm especially ignorant on alt-input/controllers and how they
> work to operate the game or how game controls are re-mapped to these
> devices. Our primary mouse controls is just like The Sims 2 pie menu 
> system
> so figuring out how players can use those with any kind of input device is
> really important (we have editable keyboard shortcuts for *everything* so
> I'm thinking that's where we'll be able to make it accessible).
>
> Again, thanks for all the input! Keep up the good work- this is an
> informative list to lurk on (resumes lurker mode until I learn a bit more)
> :)
>
> Kelly
>
> www.blackloveinteractive.com
> www.isergames.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> games_access at igda.org
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> 





From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr 11 18:46:36 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:46:36 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Hiya...
Message-ID: <002c01c65db9$c9f13940$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hiya,

Sander and I've been busy working on the Game-Accessibility website, which we are slowly releasing to the public now... very slowly since there's still a huge amount of typos and several sections not yet filled in. But anyway, you can already get a glance of what it is becoming...

http://www.game-accessibility.com

Of course we still have to add loads of resources and we're still toying with the format here and there (like the gamer section which is the biggest mess still). Since Sander and I mostly know resources related to audio games and blind-related game accessibiltiy, I am wondering If any of you know some good (academic) resources on game accessibility for other handicaps... I'm mostly interested in research papers, project descriptions and academic resources but of course everything is welcome... I managed find some stuff I saved on my computer years ago which is now gone from the internet (which is one of the aims of the project - to prevent resources from fading away after a couple of years)... anyone have some older stuff on game accessibility as well? Like, last century stuff (I only got a few papers from the 1990's which only refer to game accessibility like "maybe in the future we could have games for blind children as well...?"...?

Greets,

Richard
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From agdev at thechases.com  Tue Apr 11 20:01:43 2006
From: agdev at thechases.com (Tim Chase)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:01:43 -0500
Subject: [games_access] game-accessibility web site...
Message-ID: <443C4367.8070701@thechases.com>

Just a small thing I noticed while opening slightly less 
than a bajillion tabs in FireFox from the "Resources" page:

http://www.accessibility.nl/games/index.php?pagefile=papers

The article link for:
Blind computer users are playing by ear: Hiawatha Bray (2005)

has "hhttp" instead of "http" for the link, causing browsers 
to hiccup.

Easy 'nuff to fix. :)

-t
PS:  sorry...I would have replied to the original so 
threading mailers could keep it nice and neat, but for some 
reason, it vanished from my trash-can, even though I 
accidentally deleted it a couple minutes ago and haven't 
emptied the trash-can yet. :-/  Go figure.










From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Wed Apr 12 12:44:21 2006
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:44:21 -0400
Subject: [games_access] possible source for game-accessibility.com
Message-ID: <01bf01c65e50$5a567d10$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>

A friend of mine recently I just starting to get to know has been working on some papers and works with Microsoft currently I could ask him to fill you in he's part of this mailing list now. http://www.brannonz.com/   I will also add him on the accessibility disabled gamers for him to do also at my web site to your list of research links?  Feel free to contact him I think Michelle has spoken with him before.  His name is Brannon.

Robert

AI online SGA President

arthit73 at cablespeed.com 

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From agdev at thechases.com  Thu Apr 13 09:56:36 2006
From: agdev at thechases.com (Tim Chase)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:56:36 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Semi-OT...
Message-ID: <443E5894.3060104@thechases.com>

This link came across my RSS feed today:

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70585-0.html

Which details some advances in video-phone technologies for 
enabling deaf folks to communicate more expressively than 
just text/TTY communications.

Of course, my first thought was along the lines of 
"hmmm...how can this be made into a cool gaming technology?"

:)

-tim







From rkimball at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 11:21:12 2006
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:21:12 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Semi-OT...
In-Reply-To: <443E5894.3060104@thechases.com>
References: <443E5894.3060104@thechases.com>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0604130821s12b6dd27j6f431dc599e82329@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah I also read about this. Here's an alternate article if anyone
cares to read more.

http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2006/04/10/breaking_a_sound_barrier/

On 4/13/06, Tim Chase <agdev at thechases.com> wrote:
> This link came across my RSS feed today:
>
> http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70585-0.html
>
> Which details some advances in video-phone technologies for
> enabling deaf folks to communicate more expressively than
> just text/TTY communications.
>
> Of course, my first thought was along the lines of
> "hmmm...how can this be made into a cool gaming technology?"
>
> :)
>
> -tim
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From richard at audiogames.net  Thu Apr 13 11:54:03 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:54:03 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Semi-OT...
References: <443E5894.3060104@thechases.com>
	<a6673b8d0604130821s12b6dd27j6f431dc599e82329@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c65f12$7dfc3ad0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

This might be interesting for you then too:

http://www.vsign.nl/EN/vsignEN.htm

VSign was a project done while we were doing Drive. What I like about it is 
that it is made in Director, so in theory thousands of Shockwave 
Game-developers could use it in their *online* games almost immediatly.

Greets,

Richard



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reid Kimball" <rkimball at gmail.com>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Semi-OT...


Yeah I also read about this. Here's an alternate article if anyone
cares to read more.

http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2006/04/10/breaking_a_sound_barrier/

On 4/13/06, Tim Chase <agdev at thechases.com> wrote:
> This link came across my RSS feed today:
>
> http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70585-0.html
>
> Which details some advances in video-phone technologies for
> enabling deaf folks to communicate more expressively than
> just text/TTY communications.
>
> Of course, my first thought was along the lines of
> "hmmm...how can this be made into a cool gaming technology?"
>
> :)
>
> -tim
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From richard at audiogames.net  Thu Apr 13 12:13:32 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:13:32 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Semi-OT...
References: <443E5894.3060104@thechases.com><a6673b8d0604130821s12b6dd27j6f431dc599e82329@mail.gmail.com>
	<002c01c65f12$7dfc3ad0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <003301c65f15$38c67540$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hi again,

I forgot to mention that there are many other virtual sign language 
initiatives like VSign, such as:

- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4510567.stm (eSign)
- http://www.signingbooks.org/animations/sign_language_animations.htm 
(various, includes VSigns application "Multireader" at the bottom)

So although VSign is not really unique, I really enjoy the idea of a 
plugin/mod thing to have an character model in your game HUD which does the 
signlanguage (if you prefer that over written text). Reid....?

Just had another idea:
Wouldn't it be a cool to have an option "Sign Language On" in games, and 
when it is turned on, characters would do sign-language while they're 
speaking. Ok, NOT as an alternative to captioning of course, but just as an 
extra option. So for instance, in a game like The Matrix, whenever a 
character shouts "There he goes" the 3D character would automatically do the 
sign-language animations as well ;)
Of course, I bet many people working on motion-capture and 
character-animation would scorn the idea, since their lovely animations 
would be replaced by sign language. And of course there are technical 
issues, since sign language includes many details of the hands and facial 
expressions. And there are language differences you have to tke care of. But 
still, why not...?

Greets,

Richard





 and I really hope that
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Semi-OT...


> This might be interesting for you then too:
>
> http://www.vsign.nl/EN/vsignEN.htm
>
> VSign was a project done while we were doing Drive. What I like about it 
> is that it is made in Director, so in theory thousands of Shockwave 
> Game-developers could use it in their *online* games almost immediatly.
>
> Greets,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Reid Kimball" <rkimball at gmail.com>
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Semi-OT...
>
>
> Yeah I also read about this. Here's an alternate article if anyone
> cares to read more.
>
> http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2006/04/10/breaking_a_sound_barrier/
>
> On 4/13/06, Tim Chase <agdev at thechases.com> wrote:
>> This link came across my RSS feed today:
>>
>> http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70585-0.html
>>
>> Which details some advances in video-phone technologies for
>> enabling deaf folks to communicate more expressively than
>> just text/TTY communications.
>>
>> Of course, my first thought was along the lines of
>> "hmmm...how can this be made into a cool gaming technology?"
>>
>> :)
>>
>> -tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Thu Apr 13 13:03:15 2006
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:03:15 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Semi-OT... ??
Message-ID: <004401c65f1c$28387730$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>

Mentioning using the technology of video phone translators for emotional translation translating emotions in the voice with sign language in a videogame is very interesting.  Is it suggested that the service would be used for all online gamers while they are using this technology while they are playing a game translate to other gamers online possibly?  To me that would be very invasive and not private having a third-party some person we don't know who visually telling the other person what we're seeing are doing in the game but the link Richard gave for a virtual sign language person I think could definitely be implemented.  Perhaps creating a mode of animation for the death were all the characters are sign language into each other and the camera angles would have to pick up their hand motion that would eliminate the text on the screen may be a different approach than has been done before but it is a lot of animation however ritual gloves could be used to track that motion and simply motion tracking that into the animation.  A lot of extra work creating a second animation sequence for videogames unless it's just tied in as part of how the people in the game such as the characters communicate.
Robert
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70585-0.html

http://www.vsign.nl/EN/vsignEN.htm

AI online SGA President

arthit73 at cablespeed.com

www.RobertFlorio.com
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From rkimball at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 13:11:13 2006
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:11:13 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Semi-OT...
In-Reply-To: <003301c65f15$38c67540$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <443E5894.3060104@thechases.com>
	<a6673b8d0604130821s12b6dd27j6f431dc599e82329@mail.gmail.com>
	<002c01c65f12$7dfc3ad0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<003301c65f15$38c67540$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0604131011r2ab2f74auf79f8c24dd51df0d@mail.gmail.com>

One of my goals someday is to make a game that features at least one
character that speaks only in American Sign Language. With animation
blending and procedural animation I think a game could possibly have
all characters speak in a sign language, rather than use audio or text
like Rich suggests. The animator will still be able to make specific
animations, like pointing or shaking a fist, but those animations
become the expressions to supplement the sign language. Sign language,
with the right person can be beautiful and very emotive to watch. A
character shouldn't feel any less communicative if they are signing
instead of speaking out loud and gesturing.

Thanks for sending those links about the virtual sign language
projects. I think they'll come in handy one day when I do try to make
the game that features a character that speaks in sign language. It's
not something an animator will want to animate every time the
character speaks. It would be the equivalent of an animator working on
the mouth movements every time a character speaks. Not fun I imagine!

-Reid

On 4/13/06, AudioGames.net <richard at audiogames.net> wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> I forgot to mention that there are many other virtual sign language
> initiatives like VSign, such as:
>
> - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4510567.stm (eSign)
> - http://www.signingbooks.org/animations/sign_language_animations.htm
> (various, includes VSigns application "Multireader" at the bottom)
>
> So although VSign is not really unique, I really enjoy the idea of a
> plugin/mod thing to have an character model in your game HUD which does the
> signlanguage (if you prefer that over written text). Reid....?
>
> Just had another idea:
> Wouldn't it be a cool to have an option "Sign Language On" in games, and
> when it is turned on, characters would do sign-language while they're
> speaking. Ok, NOT as an alternative to captioning of course, but just as an
> extra option. So for instance, in a game like The Matrix, whenever a
> character shouts "There he goes" the 3D character would automatically do the
> sign-language animations as well ;)
> Of course, I bet many people working on motion-capture and
> character-animation would scorn the idea, since their lovely animations
> would be replaced by sign language. And of course there are technical
> issues, since sign language includes many details of the hands and facial
> expressions. And there are language differences you have to tke care of. But
> still, why not...?
>
> Greets,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>  and I really hope that
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 5:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Semi-OT...
>
>
> > This might be interesting for you then too:
> >
> > http://www.vsign.nl/EN/vsignEN.htm
> >
> > VSign was a project done while we were doing Drive. What I like about it
> > is that it is made in Director, so in theory thousands of Shockwave
> > Game-developers could use it in their *online* games almost immediatly.
> >
> > Greets,
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Reid Kimball" <rkimball at gmail.com>
> > To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 5:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [games_access] Semi-OT...
> >
> >
> > Yeah I also read about this. Here's an alternate article if anyone
> > cares to read more.
> >
> > http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2006/04/10/breaking_a_sound_barrier/
> >
> > On 4/13/06, Tim Chase <agdev at thechases.com> wrote:
> >> This link came across my RSS feed today:
> >>
> >> http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70585-0.html
> >>
> >> Which details some advances in video-phone technologies for
> >> enabling deaf folks to communicate more expressively than
> >> just text/TTY communications.
> >>
> >> Of course, my first thought was along the lines of
> >> "hmmm...how can this be made into a cool gaming technology?"
> >>
> >> :)
> >>
> >> -tim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> games_access mailing list
> >> games_access at igda.org
> >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > games_access mailing list
> > games_access at igda.org
> > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> > _______________________________________________
> > games_access mailing list
> > games_access at igda.org
> > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From richard at audiogames.net  Thu Apr 13 13:40:05 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:40:05 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Semi-OT... ??
References: <004401c65f1c$28387730$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>
Message-ID: <006401c65f21$4cecbaa0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

*Quote*
it suggested that the service would be used for all online gamers while they are using this technology while they are playing a game translate to other gamers online possibly?  To me that would be very invasive and not private having a third-party some person we don't know who visually telling the other person what we're seeing are doing in the game 
*Quote end*

What I meant was this: instead of using 'just' on-screen text to let the player know what a certain character is saying , you could port the text (which is there in the subtitles anyway) to a plugin/HUD element such as VSign which would then translate the text automatically to an animation of a 3D character doing sign language. So there's no 3rd party person visually telling someone what's there to hear... it's a 3D character sign-languaging the speech....

Here's a quick sketch of what I mean: http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/vsigngames/vsigningames.gif
On the left is the "regular" SpeechToText subtitles in the HUD, while on the right is an animation of the character doing the SpeechToSign Language (I've added some text so you know what he means ;). 

But what you immediately can see in this example is that in a fighting game like this, sign language might turn out to be pretty useless. You are watching the game (I've added some "visual captioning" ? la Batman as well for dramatic accessible effect) on the left and so you miss the info on the right. Text usually remains on screen for some period of time, giving you the chance to start reading a while after it appeared on screen. While you need to follow the sign language from the beginning otherwise you'll have missed it. 

So sign language is probably more useful in games with "slower" gameplay or where you can easily replay the message (adventure genre would be great I think).

Greets,

Richard





  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert Florio 
  To: games_access at igda.org 
  Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:03 PM
  Subject: [games_access] Semi-OT... ??


  Mentioning using the technology of video phone translators for emotional translation translating emotions in the voice with sign language in a videogame is very interesting.  Is it suggested that the service would be used for all online gamers while they are using this technology while they are playing a game translate to other gamers online possibly?  To me that would be very invasive and not private having a third-party some person we don't know who visually telling the other person what we're seeing are doing in the game but the link Richard gave for a virtual sign language person I think could definitely be implemented.  Perhaps creating a mode of animation for the death were all the characters are sign language into each other and the camera angles would have to pick up their hand motion that would eliminate the text on the screen may be a different approach than has been done before but it is a lot of animation however ritual gloves could be used to track that motion and simply motion tracking that into the animation.  A lot of extra work creating a second animation sequence for videogames unless it's just tied in as part of how the people in the game such as the characters communicate.
  Robert
  http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70585-0.html

  http://www.vsign.nl/EN/vsignEN.htm

  AI online SGA President

  arthit73 at cablespeed.com

  www.RobertFlorio.com



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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Thu Apr 13 14:09:49 2006
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:09:49 -0400
Subject: [games_access] sign language characters?  Reid, Richard, Anyone
Message-ID: <005101c65f25$7565eac0$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>

I enjoyed the little quick animation Richard that you gave me the mayhem in the bottom right corner he is pulling his column is that supposed to represent pulling out a sword because the other woman isn't doing sign language is that what you're referring to as an animated character using sign language?

Reid thanks for suggesting using characters at least one that communicates using sign language.  I will keep their mind when I create videogames having at least one character may be the love interest of my main character for a game I'm developing throughout my videogame classes have her to the sign language as a deaf lover that would definitely sparked a lot of communication translation and interest in that community I think.  It forces the main character who always reverts back to his goal saving her, being with her to communicate with her in a way that many relate to which is sign language or other methods so it would be cool to implement something I didn't think of before and sharing the beautiful communication as Reid suggests learning about how sign language can be beautiful.  I wasn't aware of that.  I guess it strengthens the bond when you don't have a traditional way of communication it forces two people in a relationship to learn more about each other and could strengthen even the relationship in my character store development.  I'm thinking that might even increase the interest of female characters to my games to see this love interest love situation evolve from not be able to communicate to communicating on a very emotional female interest level driven toward that market.  Could that be possible?  I certainly think so.  One

Thank you Richard for those links about software that translates text into virtual sign language in.  It's a great resource and I hope to start filling in the gamers with physical disabilities forum section soon.  A lot of what we talk about will be translated in those forums I think here from this newsletter.

For an animated I think it would be easy to incorporate those hand motions into a character using motion tracking and gloves to pick up hand /finger detail.  Is there a lot of emotion translated through the face in sign language also and I didn't know there were different languages.  I thought sign language was universal but that's something to learn about I guess the American version would be standard?
Robert

AI online SGA President

arthit73 at cablespeed.com 

www.RobertFlorio.com 


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From richard at audiogames.net  Thu Apr 13 14:21:37 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:21:37 +0200
Subject: [games_access] sign language characters?  Reid, Richard, Anyone
References: <005101c65f25$7565eac0$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>
Message-ID: <009201c65f27$1a96c6d0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

*Quote*
I enjoyed the little quick animation Richard that you gave me the mayhem in the bottom right corner he is pulling his column is that supposed to represent pulling out a sword because the other woman isn't doing sign language is that what you're referring to as an animated character using sign language?
*Quote end*

Hahaha, yes he's killing her because she's not using sign language ;) ... and yes, the character in the bottom right corner should represent the idea of a game character in a HUD (Head Up Display) doing sign language ... I just added the "No-You Don't"-text box to amplify that he's signing this message... could oly do so much in just two frames ;)

Greets,

Richard



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert Florio 
  To: games_access at igda.org 
  Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:09 PM
  Subject: [games_access] sign language characters? Reid, Richard, Anyone


  I enjoyed the little quick animation Richard that you gave me the mayhem in the bottom right corner he is pulling his column is that supposed to represent pulling out a sword because the other woman isn't doing sign language is that what you're referring to as an animated character using sign language?

  Reid thanks for suggesting using characters at least one that communicates using sign language.  I will keep their mind when I create videogames having at least one character may be the love interest of my main character for a game I'm developing throughout my videogame classes have her to the sign language as a deaf lover that would definitely sparked a lot of communication translation and interest in that community I think.  It forces the main character who always reverts back to his goal saving her, being with her to communicate with her in a way that many relate to which is sign language or other methods so it would be cool to implement something I didn't think of before and sharing the beautiful communication as Reid suggests learning about how sign language can be beautiful.  I wasn't aware of that.  I guess it strengthens the bond when you don't have a traditional way of communication it forces two people in a relationship to learn more about each other and could strengthen even the relationship in my character store development.  I'm thinking that might even increase the interest of female characters to my games to see this love interest love situation evolve from not be able to communicate to communicating on a very emotional female interest level driven toward that market.  Could that be possible?  I certainly think so.  One

  Thank you Richard for those links about software that translates text into virtual sign language in.  It's a great resource and I hope to start filling in the gamers with physical disabilities forum section soon.  A lot of what we talk about will be translated in those forums I think here from this newsletter.

  For an animated I think it would be easy to incorporate those hand motions into a character using motion tracking and gloves to pick up hand /finger detail.  Is there a lot of emotion translated through the face in sign language also and I didn't know there were different languages. I thought sign language was universal but that's something to learn about I guess the American version would be standard?
  Robert

  AI online SGA President

  arthit73 at cablespeed.com 

  www.RobertFlorio.com 





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From rkimball at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 14:36:27 2006
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:36:27 -0700
Subject: [games_access] sign language characters? Reid, Richard, Anyone
In-Reply-To: <009201c65f27$1a96c6d0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <005101c65f25$7565eac0$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>
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Richard,
Nice animation! Certainly gets the idea across better. I thought you
meant characters in the world actually signing during gameplay and I
was only thinking about slower, adventure type games doing that.
However, for a faster game, maybe a person in a bubble using sign
language could work. I have my doubts because as you mention, the
player needs to concentrate on the action, but then again, the
Doom3[CC] mod has the same fundamental problem yet it works pretty
well. I'm not that well versed in American Sign Language, so my
comprehension of ASL is much slower than I can read text. Someone who
is fluent in ASL might actually prefer a person signing in a bubble
window on the HUD instead. It's something worth researching I think.

Robert,
Yeah, your ideas sound similar to mine for the game. Some references
you may want to look at are the game ICO. In that game, you have to
save a girl to escape a dangerous castle, yet there is a verbal
communication barrier. It gets broken down at the end when the
characters actions speak the mutual language of love. That sounds
cheesy, but it's true. A movie you might want to watch that features
communication difficulties between those that speak orally and those
that speak ASL is called "Children of a Lesser God".

There are many many forms of sign language. Native americans have
their own, different countries in Europe have their own, and different
parts of Asia have their own. They are like dialects I think. They all
use the same grammatical rules (I believe) but the hand shapes and
motions might be very different for the same word. Facial expressions
play a HUGE part in sign language. Even in spoken dialog, facial
expressions play a big part. Body language is a universal language and
facial expressions are included in that.

-Reid

On 4/13/06, AudioGames.net <richard at audiogames.net> wrote:
>
> *Quote*
>
> I enjoyed the little quick animation Richard that you gave me the mayhem in
> the bottom right corner he is pulling his column is that supposed to
> represent pulling out a sword because the other woman isn't doing sign
> language is that what you're referring to as an animated character using
> sign language?
>
> *Quote end*
>
> Hahaha, yes he's killing her because she's not using sign language ;) ...
> and yes, the character in the bottom right corner should represent the idea
> of a game character in a HUD (Head Up Display) doing sign language ... I
> just added the "No-You Don't"-text box to amplify that he's signing this
> message... could oly do so much in just two frames ;)
>
> Greets,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Florio
> To: games_access at igda.org
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:09 PM
> Subject: [games_access] sign language characters? Reid, Richard, Anyone
>
>
> I enjoyed the little quick animation Richard that you gave me the mayhem in
> the bottom right corner he is pulling his column is that supposed to
> represent pulling out a sword because the other woman isn't doing sign
> language is that what you're referring to as an animated character using
> sign language?
>
> Reid thanks for suggesting using characters at least one that communicates
> using sign language.  I will keep their mind when I create videogames having
> at least one character may be the love interest of my main character for a
> game I'm developing throughout my videogame classes have her to the sign
> language as a deaf lover that would definitely sparked a lot of
> communication translation and interest in that community I think.  It forces
> the main character who always reverts back to his goal saving her, being
> with her to communicate with her in a way that many relate to which is sign
> language or other methods so it would be cool to implement something I
> didn't think of before and sharing the beautiful communication as Reid
> suggests learning about how sign language can be beautiful.  I wasn't aware
> of that.  I guess it strengthens the bond when you don't have a traditional
> way of communication it forces two people in a relationship to learn more
> about each other and could strengthen even the relationship in my character
> store development.  I'm thinking that might even increase the interest of
> female characters to my games to see this love interest love situation
> evolve from not be able to communicate to communicating on a very emotional
> female interest level driven toward that market.  Could that be possible?  I
> certainly think so.  One
>
> Thank you Richard for those links about software that translates text into
> virtual sign language in.  It's a great resource and I hope to start filling
> in the gamers with physical disabilities forum section soon.  A lot of what
> we talk about will be translated in those forums I think here from this
> newsletter.
>
> For an animated I think it would be easy to incorporate those hand motions
> into a character using motion tracking and gloves to pick up hand /finger
> detail.  Is there a lot of emotion translated through the face in sign
> language also and I didn't know there were different languages. I thought
> sign language was universal but that's something to learn about I guess the
> American version would be standard?
> Robert
>
>
> AI online SGA President
>
> arthit73 at cablespeed.com
>
> www.RobertFlorio.com
>
>
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>
>
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From richard at audiogames.net  Thu Apr 13 14:50:25 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:50:25 +0200
Subject: [games_access] sign language characters? Reid, Richard, Anyone
References: <005101c65f25$7565eac0$6401a8c0@CYXKG51><009201c65f27$1a96c6d0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<a6673b8d0604131136p550041b9ma9a1197ec4c79e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00bd01c65f2b$203674b0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

*Quote*
I thought you meant characters in the world actually signing during gameplay 
and Iwas only thinking about slower, adventure type games doing that.
*Quote end*

Yes, that was my second idea (under "Just had another idea:" ...)

However, for a faster game, maybe a person in a bubble using sign
language could work. I have my doubts because as you mention, the
player needs to concentrate on the action, but then again, the
Doom3[CC] mod has the same fundamental problem yet it works pretty
well.

Except that you show the last three sounds, while if you missed part if the 
sign language, you won't be able to repeat it (unless you design it that 
way)...

Greets,

Richard 



From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Thu Apr 13 15:04:04 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:04:04 +0100
Subject: [games_access] sign language characters? Reid, Richard, Anyone
References: <005101c65f25$7565eac0$6401a8c0@CYXKG51><009201c65f27$1a96c6d0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<a6673b8d0604131136p550041b9ma9a1197ec4c79e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007001c65f2d$08ba9350$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Re.

>"There are many many forms of sign language. Native americans have
> their own, different countries in Europe have their own, and different
> parts of Asia have their own. They are like dialects I think. They all
> use the same grammatical rules (I believe) but the hand shapes and
> motions might be very different for the same word. Facial expressions
> play a HUGE part in sign language. Even in spoken dialog, facial
> expressions play a big part. Body language is a universal language and
> facial expressions are included in that."

On this theme, you might be suprised, Robert, that ASL (American Sign 
Language) and BSL (British Sign Language) are quite different. In fact 
something as simple as the alphabet are totally different (ASL uses one 
hand, BSL uses two hands).

I'm told very proficient signers can often find a middle ground between 
different sign languages to communicate on a basic level. Maybe one day 
there'll be an Esperanto type Universal Sign Language...

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk






From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Thu Apr 13 15:38:50 2006
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:38:50 -0400
Subject: [games_access] sign language characters?  Reid, Richard, Anyone
Message-ID: <001401c65f31$e4d13570$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>

"A movie you might want to watch that features
communication difficulties between those that speak orally and those
that speak ASL is called "Children of a Lesser God"."  Said Reid.


Thank you for the reference movie I will definitely watch it.  It's something so much involved with sign language it seems for fighting games like you suggest body language tells so much and written text on the bottom of the screen seems like it should still do its purpose.  Followed by the or along with the action of the characters while they're talking.  This is not do justice for a person who cannot here as well to play any game following only text or is there a dire need for something such as 3-D animated person using sign language?  I guess for the slower games like you suggest I would be easier to follow the emotional content picking up symbols very easily.  I would have to be followed with text anyway for those that don't know sign language.  For now I'm sticking with creating one of my characters who has a lot of involvement in the story telling the story to be in sign language because emotional attraction in both male and female main characters means they both have to translate the same way so a lot of the story line will be translated very well in a nonverbal relation.  Thanks for the movie.  I hope to learn this communication factor in it.  I'll let you know what I find.
Robert

AI online SGA President

arthit73 at cablespeed.com 

www.RobertFlorio.com 
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From agdev at thechases.com  Thu Apr 13 16:53:21 2006
From: agdev at thechases.com (Tim Chase)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:53:21 -0500
Subject: [games_access] sign language characters? Reid, Richard, Anyone
In-Reply-To: <007001c65f2d$08ba9350$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
References: <005101c65f25$7565eac0$6401a8c0@CYXKG51><009201c65f27$1a96c6d0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>	<a6673b8d0604131136p550041b9ma9a1197ec4c79e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<007001c65f2d$08ba9350$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
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>> "There are many many forms of sign language. Native
>> americans have their own, different countries in Europe
>> have their own, and different parts of Asia have their
>> own. They are like dialects I think. They all use the
>> same grammatical rules (I believe) but the hand shapes
>> and motions might be very different for the same word.
>> Facial expressions play a HUGE part in sign language.
>> Even in spoken dialog, facial expressions play a big
>> part. Body language is a universal language and facial
>> expressions are included in that."
> 
> On this theme, you might be suprised, Robert, that ASL
> (American Sign Language) and BSL (British Sign Language)
> are quite different. In fact something as simple as the
> alphabet are totally different (ASL uses one hand, BSL
> uses two hands).

Hmm...didn't know that BSL did the alphabet with two hands.

In addition, back on this side of the pond, we have not only
ASL, but SEE (Signed-Exact-English).  SEE is a
transliteration of spoken/written English into an exact sign
representation.  I don't know if SEE has wandered outside
the US.

ASL stands on its own as a unique language, with a unique
grammer.  Time markers usually come first to orient the
conversation/sentence; as mentioned previously, facial
expressions (and general body posture) can heavily influence
the meaning of the signing; pronouns can have more exact
representations...all sorts of great stuff.  I've only
learned a little ASL...probably just enough to get myself in
trouble.

Both are a beautiful way to communicate...I wish my wife 
would learn with me to chat innocuously without evesdroppers :)

I enjoy when they occasionally provide ASL signing in our 
church service (and a local story-telling festival provided 
sign interpretation for all the stories during the three-day 
event...fabulous!)

-tim






From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Fri Apr 14 03:24:42 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:24:42 +0100
Subject: [games_access] sign language characters? Reid, Richard, Anyone
References: <005101c65f25$7565eac0$6401a8c0@CYXKG51><009201c65f27$1a96c6d0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>	<a6673b8d0604131136p550041b9ma9a1197ec4c79e9@mail.gmail.com><007001c65f2d$08ba9350$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<443EBA41.9080607@thechases.com>
Message-ID: <003401c65f94$8025d780$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

> Hmm...didn't know that BSL did the alphabet with two hands.
>
> In addition, back on this side of the pond, we have not only
> ASL, but SEE (Signed-Exact-English).  SEE is a
> transliteration of spoken/written English into an exact sign
> representation.  I don't know if SEE has wandered outside
> the US.


In a way. We have Sign-a-long - which sounds very similar to SEE and also 
Makaton - which is a very simplified form of BSL, created for Learning 
Disabled people (http://www.makaton.org/)...

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk





From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Apr 14 05:34:08 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:34:08 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Usability guidelines make good Accessibility
	guidelines
Message-ID: <00a801c65fa6$953b2910$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Anyone want to join in with this Forum thread: http://www.accessibility.nl/games/forum/viewtopic.php?id=21 ?
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From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Apr 14 05:56:27 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:56:27 +0200
Subject: [games_access] DIGRA conference
Message-ID: <00bb01c65fa9$b5712240$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

... might also be very interesing... I know the subject of audio games have been presented there in 2005. If anyone has done some game accessibility related research (all of us probably)...?


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*Special Announcement: DiGRA 2007 Tokyo*

Research of digital games and related phenomena has attracted growing 
interest during the recent years, crossing disciplinary and national 
boundaries. Since its establishment, Digital Games Research Association 
(DiGRA) has aimed to support the international games research community 
with academic events and other activities. In 2003 the "Level Up" 
conference was organised jointly with the University of Utrecht in the 
Netherlands, and in 2005 "Changing Views: Worlds in Play" with the Simon 
Fraser University in Vancouver, Canada.

On behalf of the DiGRA board, we are delighted to announce that the next 
DiGRA conference will be staged by DiGRA Japan in Tokyo during September 
2007. DiGRA Japan is a newly formed national association bringing 
together games researchers in Japan. The exact dates and the schedule 
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri Apr 14 12:45:49 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:45:49 -0500
Subject: [games_access] DIGRA conference
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c65fa9$b5712240$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <00bb01c65fa9$b5712240$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
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this would be a great place to present -- i think all of us could 
easily get together and do one big talk or host a session with 
multiple papers at DIGRA. lets talk about it at the next meeting for 
sure -- and on this list too. :)

which reminds me...set date and time for next meeting...

m

>... might also be very interesing... I know the subject of audio 
>games have been presented there in 2005. If anyone has done some 
>game accessibility related research (all of us probably)...?
>
>
>
>*Special Announcement: DiGRA 2007 Tokyo*
>
>Research of digital games and related phenomena has attracted growing
>interest during the recent years, crossing disciplinary and national
>boundaries. Since its establishment, Digital Games Research Association
>(DiGRA) has aimed to support the international games research community
>with academic events and other activities. In 2003 the "Level Up"
>conference was organised jointly with the University of Utrecht in the
>Netherlands, and in 2005 "Changing Views: Worlds in Play" with the Simon
>Fraser University in Vancouver, Canada.
>
>On behalf of the DiGRA board, we are delighted to announce that the next
>DiGRA conference will be staged by DiGRA Japan in Tokyo during September
>2007. DiGRA Japan is a newly formed national association bringing
>together games researchers in Japan. The exact dates and the schedule
>for the submission of papers will be announced shortly. Please follow
>DiGRA-Announce and Gamesnetwork mailing lists and information at the
><http://www.digra.org>www.digra.org website.
>
>-- DiGRA Executive Board
>
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From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Apr 14 12:53:43 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:53:43 +0200
Subject: [games_access] DIGRA conference
References: <00bb01c65fa9$b5712240$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<p06230912c0658197a1e2@[192.168.1.103]>
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Re: [games_access] DIGRA conferenceYeah I was already wondering about that...

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: d. michelle hinn 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 6:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [games_access] DIGRA conference


  this would be a great place to present -- i think all of us could easily get together and do one big talk or host a session with multiple papers at DIGRA. lets talk about it at the next meeting for sure -- and on this list too. :)


  which reminds me...set date and time for next meeting...


  m


    ... might also be very interesing... I know the subject of audio games have been presented there in 2005. If anyone has done some game accessibility related research (all of us probably)...?


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    *Special Announcement: DiGRA 2007 Tokyo*

    Research of digital games and related phenomena has attracted growing
    interest during the recent years, crossing disciplinary and national
    boundaries. Since its establishment, Digital Games Research Association
    (DiGRA) has aimed to support the international games research community
    with academic events and other activities. In 2003 the "Level Up"
    conference was organised jointly with the University of Utrecht in the
    Netherlands, and in 2005 "Changing Views: Worlds in Play" with the Simon
    Fraser University in Vancouver, Canada.

    On behalf of the DiGRA board, we are delighted to announce that the next
    DiGRA conference will be staged by DiGRA Japan in Tokyo during September
    2007. DiGRA Japan is a newly formed national association bringing
    together games researchers in Japan. The exact dates and the schedule
    for the submission of papers will be announced shortly. Please follow
    DiGRA-Announce and Gamesnetwork mailing lists and information at the
    www.digra.org website.

    -- DiGRA Executive Board

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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri Apr 14 13:04:55 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:04:55 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Next SIG Meeting!
In-Reply-To: <018e01c65fe3$fd1710c0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
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The next SIG meeting is Wednesday, April 19th at 12noon New York 
Time...which is...

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=4&day=19&year=2006&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=179

for the rest of us. :)

If you've never been to a meeting before, send me an email and I'll 
let you know how to join us. We'll be on MSN Messenger.

Things to talk about are...

* GDC 2006!! The Recap!
* GDC Europe 2006
* DIGRA 2007
* Other conferences!
* "The Book" (we'll soon have another mailing list just for those 
involved with the nitty gritty of the book to avoid clogging up the 
main SIG list with questions like "so are the margins supposed to be 
marked with a red x or does it matter?" and more!)
* Evil Plans
* Cover up stories for Evil Plans
* and...anything else that people want to bring up. :)

Hope to see you all there!
Michelle
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From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Apr 14 14:07:34 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:07:34 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Next SIG Meeting!
References: <00bb01c65fa9$b5712240$8e8b2ed5@Delletje><p06230912c0658197a1e2@[192.168.1.103]><018e01c65fe3$fd1710c0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
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Next SIG Meeting!Sander and I have to work that day so we'll probably miss it ... do keep us informed of those evil plans (evil laugh with thunder and lightning and other special effects)...


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: d. michelle hinn 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:04 PM
  Subject: [games_access] Next SIG Meeting!


  The next SIG meeting is Wednesday, April 19th at 12noon New York Time...which is...


  http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=4&day=19&year=2006&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=179


  for the rest of us. :)


  If you've never been to a meeting before, send me an email and I'll let you know how to join us. We'll be on MSN Messenger.


  Things to talk about are...


  * GDC 2006!! The Recap!
  * GDC Europe 2006
  * DIGRA 2007
  * Other conferences!
  * "The Book" (we'll soon have another mailing list just for those involved with the nitty gritty of the book to avoid clogging up the main SIG list with questions like "so are the margins supposed to be marked with a red x or does it matter?" and more!)
  * Evil Plans
  * Cover up stories for Evil Plans
  * and...anything else that people want to bring up. :)


  Hope to see you all there!
  Michelle


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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri Apr 14 14:17:54 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:17:54 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Next SIG Meeting!
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What days work better for you for future planning purposes? I mean we 
can't talk evil plans without the whole gang!

>Sander and I have to work that day so we'll probably miss it ... do 
>keep us informed of those evil plans (evil laugh with thunder and 
>lightning and other special effects)...
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:hinn at uiuc.edu>d. michelle hinn
>To: <mailto:games_access at igda.org>IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:04 PM
>Subject: [games_access] Next SIG Meeting!
>
>The next SIG meeting is Wednesday, April 19th at 12noon New York 
>Time...which is...
>
><http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=4&day=19&year=2006&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=179>http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=4&day=19&year=2006&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=179
>
>for the rest of us. :)
>
>If you've never been to a meeting before, send me an email and I'll 
>let you know how to join us. We'll be on MSN Messenger.
>
>Things to talk about are...
>
>* GDC 2006!! The Recap!
>* GDC Europe 2006
>* DIGRA 2007
>* Other conferences!
>* "The Book" (we'll soon have another mailing list just for those 
>involved with the nitty gritty of the book to avoid clogging up the 
>main SIG list with questions like "so are the margins supposed to be 
>marked with a red x or does it matter?" and more!)
>* Evil Plans
>* Cover up stories for Evil Plans
>* and...anything else that people want to bring up. :)
>
>Hope to see you all there!
>Michelle
>
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From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Apr 14 14:26:41 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:26:41 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Next SIG Meeting!
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Re: [games_access] Next SIG Meeting!Now with Easter things are a bit mixed up because Wednesdays or Thursdays are usually the best days. Sander and I work on Monday and Tuesday, stop working at 5:30 but always travel about one and a half hour to get home (and I usually go to the gym after work so I'm home at 9:00 - 9:30 in the evening).

Wednesday is probably the best day for me. But not this Wednesday since we have to work because another British invasion is planned this Tuesday (we have to present our PhD progress)... so I prefer Wednesday really but not just this Wednesday... :)


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: d. michelle hinn 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 8:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [games_access] Next SIG Meeting!


  What days work better for you for future planning purposes? I mean we can't talk evil plans without the whole gang!


    Sander and I have to work that day so we'll probably miss it ... do keep us informed of those evil plans (evil laugh with thunder and lightning and other special effects)...



      ----- Original Message -----
      From: d. michelle hinn
      To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
      Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 7:04 PM
      Subject: [games_access] Next SIG Meeting!


      The next SIG meeting is Wednesday, April 19th at 12noon New York Time...which is...


      http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=4&day=19&year=2006&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=179


      for the rest of us. :)


      If you've never been to a meeting before, send me an email and I'll let you know how to join us. We'll be on MSN Messenger.


      Things to talk about are...


      * GDC 2006!! The Recap!
      * GDC Europe 2006
      * DIGRA 2007
      * Other conferences!
      * "The Book" (we'll soon have another mailing list just for those involved with the nitty gritty of the book to avoid clogging up the main SIG list with questions like "so are the margins supposed to be marked with a red x or does it matter?" and more!)
      * Evil Plans
      * Cover up stories for Evil Plans
      * and...anything else that people want to bring up. :)


      Hope to see you all there!
      Michelle


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From dis at d-gamer.com  Fri Apr 14 16:44:22 2006
From: dis at d-gamer.com (Dis)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:44:22 -0700
Subject: [games_access] introducing myself
Message-ID: <000001c66004$35fda9b0$6901a8c0@corey9a57f2703>

Hello all,

 

I have been on this list awhile now and have never posted. I have Duchenne
Muscular Dystrophy and I am the creator of a website for gamers with
disabilities called D-GAMER, the address is http://d-gamer.com
<http://d-gamer.com/> . It has been around for sometime but has never taken
off much. I took it down for maybe a year and a half, mainly because I
didn't like the design and at the time it was hard finding information on
accessible gaming. It is in kind of in a blog format and has some reviews.
Eventually it will be packed full of information.

 

I would love for you all to check it out. I highly respect your opinion and
feedback, so please let me know what you think. Also, if you would like to
submit any news or anything else there is a place for that.

 

Thank you very much and I hope to hear from you.

 

Corey 'Dis' Krull

D-GAMER

 

I will be posting my thoughts here more often.

 

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From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Apr 14 16:53:08 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:53:08 +0200
Subject: [games_access] introducing myself
References: <000001c66004$35fda9b0$6901a8c0@corey9a57f2703>
Message-ID: <00f701c66005$6f617a00$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hi Dis,

Welcome to the list. My name is Richard van Tol, I'm 29 and from The Netherlands. Here's my bio:

I'm is a Ph.D. student at the University of Portsmouth (England), researching game audio design. I have a Audio Engineer diploma, a M.A. in Audio Design, and I teach several courses on game audio design at the Utrecht School of the Arts (Netherlands). I've been involved in game accessibility since 2001, having developed several blind-accessible games such as Drive, Dark and The Curb Game, as well as many research prototypes. I'm also is co-founder of http://www.AudioGames.net, the biggest online archive/community website for gamers, developers and researchers focusing on audio games (games based on sound - without visuals). I also work parttime at the Bartim?us Accessibility Foundation. Here I lead, together with Sander (who's also on the list) the Game Accessibility project (http://www.game-accessibility.com - please drop in sometime!), which is a funded project which focuses on a R&C (Resource&Community) website about game accessibility.

...erm, so far for the formal introduction, nice to have you on board! Oh, I don't have a visual disability myself, if you were wondering...

Greets,

Richard

http://www.audiogames.net





  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dis 
  To: games_access at igda.org 
  Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:44 PM
  Subject: [games_access] introducing myself


  Hello all,

   

  I have been on this list awhile now and have never posted. I have Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy and I am the creator of a website for gamers with disabilities called D-GAMER, the address is http://d-gamer.com. It has been around for sometime but has never taken off much. I took it down for maybe a year and a half, mainly because I didn't like the design and at the time it was hard finding information on accessible gaming. It is in kind of in a blog format and has some reviews. Eventually it will be packed full of information.

   

  I would love for you all to check it out. I highly respect your opinion and feedback, so please let me know what you think. Also, if you would like to submit any news or anything else there is a place for that.

   

  Thank you very much and I hope to hear from you.

   

  Corey 'Dis' Krull

  D-GAMER

   

  I will be posting my thoughts here more often.

   



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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Fri Apr 14 17:51:12 2006
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:51:12 -0400
Subject: [games_access] welcome Corey 'Dis' Krull
Message-ID: <008e01c6600d$8cb94030$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>

I checked out your web site and recognized Bobby G. He found me on the Internet searching game controllers and I noticed that you got a quote from him which is great.  He mentions me as well which is cool.  I just downloaded counterstrike and I'm going to download the commander software for voice dictating so now have and I can play this first-person shooters together something I haven't done ever really.  I just couldn't get around aiming the gun and running around the environment so this might be something breakthrough for me.  As a game design student I'm trying to learn as much as I can about game design the art Institute online and off so GDC gave me a student scholarship previously and Michelle was my mentor.

What an experience getting to know so many people here from this mailing list now personally instead of online and getting a hold of the accessibility environment so I feel a lot more comfortable putting together game design documents for proposals hopefully in the future.

It's great to have you participating finally I bet this letter goes out to a lot of people I would encourage a lot of people to start posting.  A great place for us all to keep in touch for specific areas such as physical disabled gamers is Richard and Sanders new forum site they have started and I am a moderator for gamers with physical disabilities. You mentioned you have similar abilities such as Bobby but not a spinal cord injury.  What a great effort putting together a web site with forums that is something I need to start doing myself and hopefully soon I'll update my web site with everything I've learned since GDC.

I'm working on a documentary video I'm hoping to finish by the middle of summer.  My experience at GDC and exposing the missing grounds in the market in the videogame industry.  Talking about gamers with disabilities.  Talk to more soon.  I can't wait to play against Bobby and meet others with similar disabilities and both of us had injuries at 14 years old so that's pretty significant.  Spinal cord injury.
Robert

AI online SGA President

arthit73 at cablespeed.com 

www.RobertFlorio.com 
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri Apr 14 18:52:40 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:52:40 -0500
Subject: [games_access] introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <000001c66004$35fda9b0$6901a8c0@corey9a57f2703>
References: <000001c66004$35fda9b0$6901a8c0@corey9a57f2703>
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Welcome to the SIG, Corey! :) Just took a quick look at your site and 
I can't wait to hear your review of Smart Nav -- I just demoed that 
at GDC and again just last week. Feel free to join us in online 
meetings if it's convenient and, of course, you're welcome to 
participate in any activities we do as a SIG. You'll find that we 
work with lots of folks who represent different game accessibility 
websites and foundations and as a special interest group of the 
International Game Developers Association we do a lot of work talking 
to industry folks. So it's one big happy family with everyone doing 
either research, teaching, working in industry or with foundations.

So glad to have you here wth up and in non-lurker mode. :)

Michelle
Chairperson, IGDA Game Accessibility SIG

>Hello all,
>
>I have been on this list awhile now and have never posted. I have 
>Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy and I am the creator of a website for 
>gamers with disabilities called D-GAMER, the address is 
><http://d-gamer.com/>http://d-gamer.com. It has been around for 
>sometime but has never taken off much. I took it down for maybe a 
>year and a half, mainly because I didn't like the design and at the 
>time it was hard finding information on accessible gaming. It is in 
>kind of in a blog format and has some reviews. Eventually it will be 
>packed full of information.
>
>I would love for you all to check it out. I highly respect your 
>opinion and feedback, so please let me know what you think. Also, if 
>you would like to submit any news or anything else there is a place 
>for that.
>
>Thank you very much and I hope to hear from you.
>
>Corey 'Dis' Krull
>D-GAMER
>
>I will be posting my thoughts here more often.
>
>
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sat Apr 15 05:11:44 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:11:44 +0100
Subject: [games_access] introducing myself
References: <000001c66004$35fda9b0$6901a8c0@corey9a57f2703>
Message-ID: <00ce01c6606c$9db11340$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Hi Corey,

Welcome to the group! It's brilliant to hear from more and more people with 
an interest in accessible gaming. I enjoyed looking through your site.

You may be interested in this link: http://kaf.tri6.net/trackmapper/  - 
Which enables Natural Point "Track IR" head trackers to play keyboard based 
games (http://www.naturalpoint.com/) head trackers to play keyboard based 
games. Works well with MAME. Imagine playing Pac-Man with the cursor keys - 
these can fairly easily be remapped to head positions (UP, DOWN, LEFT, 
RIGHT). By slowing the game down 
(http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/4/games/MAME.htm) you can make the game more of 
a possibility.

On an even simpler basis - all the single switch games on my web-site can be 
played with the head tracker. This link 
(http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/IMAGES/ARTICLES/cgeuk2005/Zoe-Golf.jpg)  is of 
a girl playing a one button golf game by nodding her head.

Wondering if there is anything similar for your more advanced SMART Nav? Are 
you able to play keyboard games with this version?

All the best,

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk







----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dis
To: games_access at igda.org
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:44 PM
Subject: [games_access] introducing myself


Hello all,

I have been on this list awhile now and have never posted. I have Duchenne 
Muscular Dystrophy and I am the creator of a website for gamers with 
disabilities called D-GAMER, the address is http://d-gamer.com. It has been 
around for sometime but has never taken off much. I took it down for maybe a 
year and a half, mainly because I didn't like the design and at the time it 
was hard finding information on accessible gaming. It is in kind of in a 
blog format and has some reviews. Eventually it will be packed full of 
information.

I would love for you all to check it out. I highly respect your opinion and 
feedback, so please let me know what you think. Also, if you would like to 
submit any news or anything else there is a place for that.

Thank you very much and I hope to hear from you.

Corey 'Dis' Krull
D-GAMER

I will be posting my thoughts here more often.




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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Tue Apr 18 15:37:25 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:37:25 +0100
Subject: [games_access] d-gamer.com
References: <000001c66004$35fda9b0$6901a8c0@corey9a57f2703>
Message-ID: <006501c6631f$859f6670$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Hi Corey,

Added your web-site to our "Game Accessibility Projects" links page here: http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/Game_Accessibility_SIG/Projects#Game_Accessibility_Projects

Keep up the great work, and please keep us informed of your progress.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dis 
  To: games_access at igda.org 
  Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:44 PM
  Subject: [games_access] introducing myself


  Hello all,

   

  I have been on this list awhile now and have never posted. I have Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy and I am the creator of a website for gamers with disabilities called D-GAMER, the address is http://d-gamer.com. It has been around for sometime but has never taken off much. I took it down for maybe a year and a half, mainly because I didn't like the design and at the time it was hard finding information on accessible gaming. It is in kind of in a blog format and has some reviews. Eventually it will be packed full of information.

   

  I would love for you all to check it out. I highly respect your opinion and feedback, so please let me know what you think. Also, if you would like to submit any news or anything else there is a place for that.

   

  Thank you very much and I hope to hear from you.

   

  Corey 'Dis' Krull

  D-GAMER

   

  I will be posting my thoughts here more often.

   



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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Tue Apr 18 16:14:22 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:14:22 +0100
Subject: [games_access] GDC 2006 presentation links thread (+ Giannis)
Message-ID: <00f001c66324$ae7fa050$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

> So to start a thread to collect all places where we can find all 
> presentations:

Reid: http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com/gdc2006/tutorial/Games[CC]_gdc2006.ppt
Richard & Sander: http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip
Barrie: http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/ARTICLES/physical-barriers.htm
Giannis: http://www.ics.forth.gr/hci/ua-games/publications.html 
Michelle: ?
Thomas: ?
Kevin: ?

Top 10 Accessibility Features: http://tim.thechases.com/top10_2.pdf



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Giannis Georgalis" <jgeorgal at ics.forth.gr>
To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 10:24 AM
Subject: GDC 2006 presentation


> Hello Barrie,
> 
> I'm really sorry for the long delay. The presentation is finally up to 
> our site:
> 
> http://www.ics.forth.gr/hci/ua-games/publications.html
> 
> Also I would really appreciate it if you could forward this e-mail to 
> the list as a reply to the thread that was meant to gather all the links 
> to the presentations, as I'm having problems getting my mails through 
> the list.
> 
> Thank you very much,
> Giannis
> 
> 
>




From dis at d-gamer.com  Tue Apr 18 16:48:25 2006
From: dis at d-gamer.com (Corey Krull)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:48:25 -0700
Subject: [games_access] introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <000001c66004$35fda9b0$6901a8c0@corey9a57f2703>
Message-ID: <005c01c66329$7779fc90$6901a8c0@corey9a57f2703>

Thank you for the warm welcome. I hope that I can become a good addition to
this group. 

 

I had a question. I understand that there was a good turnout for you at the
GDC, but I was wondering if you know an exact number of people that attended
the accessibility portion? 

 

Corey 'Dis' Krull

D-GAMER

dis at d-gamer.com 

 

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From dis at d-gamer.com  Tue Apr 18 16:53:25 2006
From: dis at d-gamer.com (Corey Krull)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:53:25 -0700
Subject: [games_access] d-gamer.com
In-Reply-To: <006501c6631f$859f6670$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <006101c6632a$27307060$6901a8c0@corey9a57f2703>

Thanks Barrie. I will keep you informed of all I am doing on d-gamer.

 

Corey 'Dis' Krull

D-GAMER

dis at d-gamer.com 

 

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From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Barrie Ellis
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:37 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: [games_access] d-gamer.com

 

Hi Corey,

 

Added your web-site to our "Game Accessibility Projects" links page here:
http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/Game_Accessibility_SIG/Projects#Game_Acce
ssibility_Projects

 

Keep up the great work, and please keep us informed of your progress.

 

Barrie

www.OneSwitch.org.uk

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Dis <mailto:dis at d-gamer.com>  

To: games_access at igda.org 

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:44 PM

Subject: [games_access] introducing myself

 

Hello all,

 

I have been on this list awhile now and have never posted. I have Duchenne
Muscular Dystrophy and I am the creator of a website for gamers with
disabilities called D-GAMER, the address is http://d-gamer.com. It has been
around for sometime but has never taken off much. I took it down for maybe a
year and a half, mainly because I didn't like the design and at the time it
was hard finding information on accessible gaming. It is in kind of in a
blog format and has some reviews. Eventually it will be packed full of
information.

 

I would love for you all to check it out. I highly respect your opinion and
feedback, so please let me know what you think. Also, if you would like to
submit any news or anything else there is a place for that.

 

Thank you very much and I hope to hear from you.

 

Corey 'Dis' Krull

D-GAMER

 

I will be posting my thoughts here more often.

 


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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Tue Apr 18 18:10:31 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:10:31 +0100
Subject: [games_access] hands free counte strike PC.  Bobby's video.
References: <017b01c65a7f$5de1bfa0$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>
Message-ID: <041901c66334$e86e26a0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Updated: http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/Game_Accessibility_SIG/Projects#Game_Accessibility_Projects

Needs tidying now, but great to see the list growing (cheers, Robert!).

Barrie
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From rkimball at gmail.com  Tue Apr 18 18:54:36 2006
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:54:36 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Shacknews.com talks about audio games
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0604181554r64fef90ftd477b075494a533@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/41740

In the above link Chris Remo, talks about his experience with trying
out some audio games. He provides excellent commentary on games in
general and I'm a regular reader of that website.

The comments are quite positive as well.

-Reid


From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr 18 18:59:06 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:59:06 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Shacknews.com talks about audio games
References: <a6673b8d0604181554r64fef90ftd477b075494a533@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010701c6633b$b2283e80$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Cool thanks!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reid Kimball" <rkimball at gmail.com>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:54 AM
Subject: [games_access] Shacknews.com talks about audio games


http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/41740

In the above link Chris Remo, talks about his experience with trying
out some audio games. He provides excellent commentary on games in
general and I'm a regular reader of that website.

The comments are quite positive as well.

-Reid
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Tue Apr 18 18:01:18 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:01:18 +0100
Subject: [games_access] 20th Century Accessible Games - info hunt
References: <002c01c65db9$c9f13940$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <03f001c66333$9ec52540$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Re. 1990's and 1980's stuff:

You're right. It's really tricky to track down. I remember SEMERC / Brilliant Computing making accessible eductational games for the BBC Micro computer in the mid 80's to early 90's. I'll try to track something down on this. (http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/I/BBC/IBBCMicro1.htm - has a very rough picture of the switch box).

I've also been told that there has been the odd article in Amusment operator magazines about arcade games that have been adapted for disabled gamers (Andy Welburn - http://www.andys-arcade.net/) - But he's a busy man, and hasn't yet tracked these down to send a copy

These might be of interest though:

http://www.pathwaysdg.com/enews/archive.htm - Pathways Development Group (1999 onwards) - Details GA work starting in the early 90's
http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/I/Playstation-PC/Iplaystation.htm - Switch Accessible Playstation 2001 - Although this was sourced from work from 1996 to around 2000.

Good luck tracking more down.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: AudioGames.net 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:46 PM
  Subject: [games_access] Hiya...


  Hiya,

  Sander and I've been busy working on the Game-Accessibility website, which we are slowly releasing to the public now... very slowly since there's still a huge amount of typos and several sections not yet filled in. But anyway, you can already get a glance of what it is becoming...

  http://www.game-accessibility.com

  Of course we still have to add loads of resources and we're still toying with the format here and there (like the gamer section which is the biggest mess still). Since Sander and I mostly know resources related to audio games and blind-related game accessibiltiy, I am wondering If any of you know some good (academic) resources on game accessibility for other handicaps... I'm mostly interested in research papers, project descriptions and academic resources but of course everything is welcome... I managed find some stuff I saved on my computer years ago which is now gone from the internet (which is one of the aims of the project - to prevent resources from fading away after a couple of years)... anyone have some older stuff on game accessibility as well? Like, last century stuff (I only got a few papers from the 1990's which only refer to game accessibility like "maybe in the future we could have games for blind children as well...?"...?

  Greets,

  Richard


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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Wed Apr 19 12:17:16 2006
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:17:16 +0200
Subject: [games_access] meeting today?
Message-ID: <fc.00802e9a00cb365400802e9a00cb3654.cb3662@netcollaborate.se>

Hi all,

Is there a meeting today?

/Thomas

Pin Interactive AB www.pininteractive.com
MSN ID:  thomas at pininteractive.com
Skype ID: thomaswestin 
Time zone: CET (GMT+1, PST+9)
____________________________________________________
Award Winning 3D Game for Blind and Sighted: www.terraformers.nu 
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Apr 19 16:04:13 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:04:13 -0500
Subject: [games_access] meeting today?
In-Reply-To: <fc.00802e9a00cb365400802e9a00cb3654.cb3662@netcollaborate.se>
References: <fc.00802e9a00cb365400802e9a00cb3654.cb3662@netcollaborate.se>
Message-ID: <p0623093fc06c47bed79a@[192.168.1.103]>

hi thomas,

this was my fault. i was very sick this morning. i have surgery next 
tuesday and i've been getting sick with little warning so things are 
very up in the air right now for everything until that gets taken 
care of. i'll send out an email and the most pressing things -- we 
have more than one group that wants to sponsor accessibility gaming 
contests so that's pretty key!

more soon!
michelle

>Hi all,
>
>Is there a meeting today?
>
>/Thomas
>
>Pin Interactive AB <http://www.pininteractive.com>www.pininteractive.com
>MSN ID:  <mailto:thomas at pininteractive.com>thomas at pininteractive.com
>Skype ID: thomaswestin
>Time zone: CET (GMT+1, PST+9)
>____________________________________________________
>Award Winning 3D Game for Blind and Sighted: 
><http://www.terraformers.nu>www.terraformers.nu 
>IGDA Game Accessibility SIG 
><http://www.igda.org/accessibility/>www.igda.org/accessibility/ 
>
>
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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Thu Apr 20 03:39:27 2006
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:39:27 +0200
Subject: [games_access] meeting today?
In-Reply-To: <p0623093fc06c47bed79a@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <p0623093fc06c47bed79a@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <fc.00802e9a00cb3a0800802e9a00cb3654.cb3a0c@netcollaborate.se>

Hi Michelle,
no worries, hope you are feeling better and good luck with the surgery
/Thomas

IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org> on den 19 april 2006 at 22:04 +0100 wrote:
>hi thomas,
>
>
>this was my fault. i was very sick this morning. i have surgery next tuesday and i've been getting sick with little warning so things are very up in the air right now for everything until that gets taken care of. i'll send out an email and the most pressing things -- we have more than one group that wants to sponsor accessibility gaming contests so that's pretty key!
>
>
>more soon!
>michelle
>
>
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>Is there a meeting today?
>
>/Thomas
>
>Pin Interactive AB [ http://www.pininteractive.com ]www.pininteractive.com
>MSN ID:  [ mailto:thomas at pininteractive.com ]thomas at pininteractive.com
>Skype ID: thomaswestin
>Time zone: CET (GMT+1, PST+9)
>____________________________________________________
>Award Winning 3D Game for Blind and Sighted: [ http://www.terraformers.nu ]www.terraformers.nu 
>IGDA Game Accessibility SIG [ http://www.igda.org/accessibility/ ]www.igda.org/accessibility/ 
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



Pin Interactive AB www.pininteractive.com
MSN ID:  thomas at pininteractive.com
Skype ID: thomaswestin 
Time zone: CET (GMT+1, PST+9)
____________________________________________________
Award Winning 3D Game for Blind and Sighted: www.terraformers.nu 
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Thu Apr 20 16:13:20 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:13:20 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Optimus mini three keyboard
Message-ID: <00c301c664b6$de89b4f0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>


http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus-mini/ - Nice - quite a few uses in accessibility too, I wager.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk
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From brannonz at microsoft.com  Thu Apr 20 16:47:31 2006
From: brannonz at microsoft.com (Brannon Zahand)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:47:31 -0700
Subject: [games_access] possible source for game-accessibility.com
In-Reply-To: <01bf01c65e50$5a567d10$6401a8c0@CYXKG51>
Message-ID: <637856A80E489D40B5F853A65272A46C08329460@RED-MSG-42.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

Yes, feel free to ping me and I'll provide whatever information I can.
As of this moment, I don't have anything published yet to link to... but
as soon as I do, I'll let you know. In the meantime, I have basic
accessibility information in a very simple format on my website below.

 

Take care,

Brannon

 

________________________________

From: games_access-bounces at igda.org
[mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf Of Robert Florio
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:44 AM
To: games_access at igda.org
Subject: [games_access] possible source for game-accessibility.com

 

A friend of mine recently I just starting to get to know has been
working on some papers and works with Microsoft currently I could ask
him to fill you in he's part of this mailing list now.
http://www.brannonz.com/   I will also add him on the accessibility
disabled gamers for him to do also at my web site to your list of
research links?  Feel free to contact him I think Michelle has spoken
with him before.  His name is Brannon.

 

Robert

AI online SGA President

arthit73 at cablespeed.com 

www.RobertFlorio.com 

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From rkimball at gmail.com  Fri Apr 21 01:55:18 2006
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:55:18 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Optimus mini three keyboard
In-Reply-To: <00c301c664b6$de89b4f0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
References: <00c301c664b6$de89b4f0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0604202255r30de838ld49513eb2f4d4b58@mail.gmail.com>

This is beautiful, it really looks like the OLED keyboard is a
reality. It could be huge. I'll be buying one, the question is...
which color, silver or black? I'll write a review of how useful for
accessibility it is once I get it.

-Reid

On 4/20/06, Barrie Ellis <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus-mini/ - Nice -
> quite a few uses in accessibility too, I wager.
>
> Barrie
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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From richard at audiogames.net  Sun Apr 23 07:37:46 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:37:46 +0200
Subject: [games_access] DIGRA 2007
References: <00c301c664b6$de89b4f0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<a6673b8d0604202255r30de838ld49513eb2f4d4b58@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c666ca$57bdc7c0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

more info on DIGRA 2007...

-----------------------------------------------------


DiGRA 2007 First Circular

(I apologize for cross-posting.  Please feel free to circulate this 
message.)

We, the DiGRA 2007 Local Organizing Committee, are happy to announce
that the third DiGRA (Digital Games Research Association)
international conference will be held in Tokyo, Japan in September
2007.   Scholars of digital games from around the world are encouraged
to submit a paper and to participate in the conference.  Held in the
world capital of videogames, this conference will be an event that no
game studies scholar can afford to miss.  We are working hard for
DiGRA 2007 to be truly special.

The theme of this conference is "Situated Play."  Game play does not
take place in vacuum.  For play to be possible, certain social,
cultural, economic, and technological conditions need to converge.
Digital games, therefore, require truly diverse approaches to
illuminate their extremely multi-faceted nature.  The goal of this
conference is to shed more light on these various kinds of
situatedness of games.  In particular, the conference aims to bridge
professionally and geographically diverse scholars and practitioners.
We therefore welcome panel proposals and papers that describe various
facets regarding the situatedness of digital games and attempt to
combine a range of approaches in innovative ways.

For our participants' convenience, the dates of the conference will be
set close to the Tokyo Game Show so that participants can take
advantage of both events.  The selection of papers will be based on
full papers instead of abstracts, and the deadline will be in February
2007.  A second circular revealing more details about DiGRA 2007 will
be issued in late May or early July.

We hope to see you in Tokyo!

- DiGRA 2007 Local Organizing Committee
Akira Baba (Chair), Kiyoshi Shin, Akinori Nakamura, Kenji Ito



--
Kenji Ito, Ph. D.
Assistant Professor, Interfaculty Initiative in Information Science
The University of Tokyo
7-3-1, Hongo, Bunkyo-ku, Tokyo 113-0033
Tel/Fax: +81-3-5842-6225
www.kenjiito.org, kenjiito.blogspot.com 



From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sun Apr 23 13:00:07 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:00:07 +0100
Subject: [games_access] DIGRA 2007
References: <00c301c664b6$de89b4f0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch><a6673b8d0604202255r30de838ld49513eb2f4d4b58@mail.gmail.com>
	<002e01c666ca$57bdc7c0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <008601c666f7$6065aff0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Digra sounds very interesting... Could be another great place to promote the 
GASIG and Game Accessibility in general. Just the expense that concerns me 
personally...

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk





From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Mon Apr 24 15:51:27 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:51:27 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Nolan Bushnell Quote
Message-ID: <017701c667d8$79ed0090$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Interesting quote from a recent speech Nolan Bushnell gave (founder of 
Atari):

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/diec-2005/diec-ataris-founder-slams-sony-praises-nintendo-140629.php


In 1982, he tells us, there were 44 million [US] gamers. Today, there are 18 
million. Where'd they all go? "Complexity lost the casual gamer," he says. 
"Violence lost the woman gamer." He ventures into Nintendo territory, even 
slamming the PS2 controller. "The 3D controller that Nintendo is on to is a 
very good idea," he says. "If you look at today's controller with triangles, 
Xs, squares and circles, it's scary. It's like a keyboard. People are 
interface phobic." 





From jason at igda.org  Tue Apr 25 11:09:25 2006
From: jason at igda.org (Jason Della Rocca)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:09:25 -0400
Subject: [games_access] election deadline looming
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060425110916.03ceed90@mail.igda.org>

Hi all,

Sorry to bother you with this nag (and for cross-posting to several lists)...

This is a quick reminder that the voting deadline for the IGDA's Board of 
Directors election is this Friday (April 28th). And, we are still a bit 
short of quorum (need about 100 more members to vote).

So, please get over to the site and vote:
http://www.igda.org/board/elections.php


Thanks!

Jason

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jason Della Rocca
Executive Director
International Game Developers Association

t: +1-514-426-1162
f: +1-514-426-1201
Montreal, Canada
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.igda.org/
http://www.realitypanic.com/

"Do or do not. There is no try."
- Yoda



From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Tue Apr 25 15:46:48 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:46:48 +0100
Subject: [games_access] GDC 2006 Presentations - info so far
Message-ID: <02df01c668a0$fe0d0500$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

GDC 2006 Presentations info


Reid: http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com/gdc2006/tutorial/Games[CC]_gdc2006.ppt
Richard & Sander: http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip
Barrie: http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/ARTICLES/physical-barriers.htm
Giannis: http://www.ics.forth.gr/hci/ua-games/publications.html
Michelle: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vrgrrl/sets/72057594097461742/ 
(photos)
Thomas: http://www.pininteractive.com/_ftpupload/images/gdc2006.zip (photos)
Kevin: ?

Top 10 Accessibility Features: http://tim.thechases.com/top10_2.pdf





From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr 25 17:54:31 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:54:31 +0200
Subject: [games_access] GDC 2006 Presentations - info so far
References: <02df01c668a0$fe0d0500$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <156c01c668b2$d5311970$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Great thanks!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
To: "IGDA GA mailing list" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:46 PM
Subject: [games_access] GDC 2006 Presentations - info so far


> GDC 2006 Presentations info
>
>
> Reid: http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com/gdc2006/tutorial/Games[CC]_gdc2006.ppt
> Richard & Sander: http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip
> Barrie: http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/ARTICLES/physical-barriers.htm
> Giannis: http://www.ics.forth.gr/hci/ua-games/publications.html
> Michelle: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vrgrrl/sets/72057594097461742/ 
> (photos)
> Thomas: http://www.pininteractive.com/_ftpupload/images/gdc2006.zip 
> (photos)
> Kevin: ?
>
> Top 10 Accessibility Features: http://tim.thechases.com/top10_2.pdf
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Apr 25 17:56:42 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:56:42 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Game-Accessibility.com update
Message-ID: <157901c668b3$231d8650$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hi,

Just wanted you all to know that Game-Accessibility.com is gradually taking on a shape. Please have a look at http://www.game-accessibility.com and tell us what you think. Any suggestions are appreciated.

Greets,

Richard
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Tue Apr 25 18:34:38 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:34:38 +0100
Subject: [games_access] HeadTracker game - "Flow"
Message-ID: <000b01c668b8$70da8c80$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

This 'flash' game wasn't written specifically for head-tracker users, but it works beautifully with my SmartNAV3 controller from Natural Point.

On-line or downloadable here:

http://intihuatani.usc.edu/cloud/flowing/

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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Tue Apr 25 19:03:23 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:03:23 +0100
Subject: [games_access] PingMAg Article: "8 Accessible (and free!) Games"
Message-ID: <001001c668bc$74098880$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

I found "Flow" via PingMag: http://www.pingmag.jp/2006/03/16/8-accessible-and-free-games/

Some other nice on-line games there too. Some with a one button mechanic (although not true one switch / one button games, as they need mouse control to get started).

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk
 
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Tue Apr 25 19:18:49 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:18:49 +0100
Subject: [games_access] smartNAV3 Head Tracker
References: <001001c668bc$74098880$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <001401c668be$9c3c99d0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Been playing around with my lovely NaturalPoint 'smartNAV3' head tracker. Really pleased to find a way to get Track Mapper working. This fantastic free utility allows you to use a head tracker alone to play keyboard based games. I've just been playing an old shoot-em-up as a test using just my head. Turn your head left to move left, right to move right and up to fire.

It really helped that I could slow this game down using a cheat feature in MAME, making the game very playable.

If anyone would like help on setting this up, feel free to e-mail.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk
www.igda.org/accessibility
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From rkimball at gmail.com  Wed Apr 26 13:42:06 2006
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:42:06 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Gamers may soon control action with thoughts
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0604261042g3d0503c5ncf975cf07166ce8a@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/14415506.htm

Several devices are being made with games in mind. Freakin' awesome. I
tried the device that Thomas presented at the GDC Games Accessibility
tutorial and it was really fun.

Besides the accessible and health benefits of using a mind reader game
device I'm also psyched at the possibility of NPCs commenting on the
player's mental state.

-Reid


From dis at d-gamer.com  Wed Apr 26 16:03:58 2006
From: dis at d-gamer.com (dis at d-gamer.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:03:58 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Gamers may soon control action with thoughts
In-Reply-To: <a6673b8d0604261042g3d0503c5ncf975cf07166ce8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6673b8d0604261042g3d0503c5ncf975cf07166ce8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060426130358.lt4lcqercw8884s8@66.160.178.240>

This is a great device. I would love to try it someday. Anyway, if  
anyone wants read more about this try these links:

http://www.neurosky.com/
http://www.smartbraingames.com/

I am not able to update D-GAMER at the moment, my PC is in the shop.  
This laptop I'm on can't handle Dreamweaver 8 lol.

Corey 'Dis' Krull
dis at d-gamer.com

Quoting Reid Kimball <rkimball at gmail.com>:

> http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/14415506.htm
>
> Several devices are being made with games in mind. Freakin' awesome. I
> tried the device that Thomas presented at the GDC Games Accessibility
> tutorial and it was really fun.
>
> Besides the accessible and health benefits of using a mind reader game
> device I'm also psyched at the possibility of NPCs commenting on the
> player's mental state.
>
> -Reid
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>




From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Apr 27 01:33:12 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:33:12 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference
In-Reply-To: <a6673b8d0604261042g3d0503c5ncf975cf07166ce8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6673b8d0604261042g3d0503c5ncf975cf07166ce8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0623090ec07606be782e@[192.168.1.102]>

Hi everyone,

GREAT news -- the organizers of the Develop Conference in Brighton 
England would like us to do either a half or a full day tutorial on 
game accessibility. We'd do it on Friday, July 14th, which is after 
the main conference but is the day when all the other tutorials are 
scheduled for.

The link to the conference is at http://www.developconference.com/ 
(I'm assuming we'll get free admission).

So British contingent and others from Europe -- are you in? We'd 
likely do the same basic program that we did at GDC but with a change 
of players depending on who can attend. US people also invited to 
present, of course -- but this one I thought would get more of the 
Europeans.

Please let me know ASAP if you are interested!!! More info to follow 
once I have an idea of who can attend and present!

Michelle
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Thu Apr 27 02:27:52 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:27:52 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference
References: <a6673b8d0604261042g3d0503c5ncf975cf07166ce8a@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623090ec07606be782e@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <013301c669c3$b6ef40b0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Brighton Develop ConferenceGreat to read from you. I'm definitely in for the Friday - sounds really good.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: d. michelle hinn 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:33 AM
  Subject: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference


  Hi everyone,


  GREAT news -- the organizers of the Develop Conference in Brighton England would like us to do either a half or a full day tutorial on game accessibility. We'd do it on Friday, July 14th, which is after the main conference but is the day when all the other tutorials are scheduled for.


  The link to the conference is at http://www.developconference.com/ (I'm assuming we'll get free admission).


  So British contingent and others from Europe -- are you in? We'd likely do the same basic program that we did at GDC but with a change of players depending on who can attend. US people also invited to present, of course -- but this one I thought would get more of the Europeans.


  Please let me know ASAP if you are interested!!! More info to follow once I have an idea of who can attend and present!


  Michelle


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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Thu Apr 27 02:56:37 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:56:37 +0100
Subject: [games_access] New one switch card game - CRAZY 8's
Message-ID: <015501c669c7$badcf8d0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Nice simple one button / one switch card game just been written, "One switch Crazy 8's":

http://www.tacticalneuronics.com/content/FreeStuff.asp 

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk
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From richard at audiogames.net  Thu Apr 27 03:46:50 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:46:50 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Gamers may soon control action with thoughts
References: <a6673b8d0604261042g3d0503c5ncf975cf07166ce8a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060426130358.lt4lcqercw8884s8@66.160.178.240>
Message-ID: <00dc01c669ce$ccf8e180$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hi,

To add to the stack:

http://mindgames.medialabeurope.org/ (of which Mind Balance is a 'real' game 
I think, the others are more toys I think)
http://www.mindball.se/index.aspx?page=mindball (Brainball followup - also 
see Brainball Report: http://cid.nada.kth.se/pdf/CID-235.pdf)

Greets,

Richard (wishing there were more game DESIGN tools using brainwaves - think 
of all the games we'd come up with (pop) (pop) (pop) ;)



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dis at d-gamer.com>
To: <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Gamers may soon control action with thoughts


> This is a great device. I would love to try it someday. Anyway, if  anyone 
> wants read more about this try these links:
>
> http://www.neurosky.com/
> http://www.smartbraingames.com/
>
> I am not able to update D-GAMER at the moment, my PC is in the shop.  This 
> laptop I'm on can't handle Dreamweaver 8 lol.
>
> Corey 'Dis' Krull
> dis at d-gamer.com
>
> Quoting Reid Kimball <rkimball at gmail.com>:
>
>> http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/14415506.htm
>>
>> Several devices are being made with games in mind. Freakin' awesome. I
>> tried the device that Thomas presented at the GDC Games Accessibility
>> tutorial and it was really fun.
>>
>> Besides the accessible and health benefits of using a mind reader game
>> device I'm also psyched at the possibility of NPCs commenting on the
>> player's mental state.
>>
>> -Reid
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Thu Apr 27 04:45:37 2006
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (Jonathan Chetwynd)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:45:37 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference
In-Reply-To: <p0623090ec07606be782e@[192.168.1.102]>
References: <a6673b8d0604261042g3d0503c5ncf975cf07166ce8a@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623090ec07606be782e@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <AD6CE47E-3F2E-430F-A251-D76697673CF8@btinternet.com>

Michelle,

Yup, count me in. May be able to bring someone with learning  
disabilities along.

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd



On 27 Apr 2006, at 06:33, d. michelle hinn wrote:

Hi everyone,

GREAT news -- the organizers of the Develop Conference in Brighton  
England would like us to do either a half or a full day tutorial on  
game accessibility. We'd do it on Friday, July 14th, which is after  
the main conference but is the day when all the other tutorials are  
scheduled for.

The link to the conference is at http://www.developconference.com/  
(I'm assuming we'll get free admission).

So British contingent and others from Europe -- are you in? We'd  
likely do the same basic program that we did at GDC but with a change  
of players depending on who can attend. US people also invited to  
present, of course -- but this one I thought would get more of the  
Europeans.

Please let me know ASAP if you are interested!!! More info to follow  
once I have an idea of who can attend and present!

Michelle
_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From richard at audiogames.net  Thu Apr 27 05:48:19 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:48:19 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference
References: <a6673b8d0604261042g3d0503c5ncf975cf07166ce8a@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623090ec07606be782e@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <013801c669df$b70ddb80$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Brighton Develop ConferenceHi,

Thanks for the notice. I don't think we'll be attending since we're going to have to make a selection of visiting all these conferences due to funding issues. We're probably more likely to go to GDC Europe a couple of months later (september 2006? Anyone? http://www.cmpgame.com/events/gdceurope.html ?).

Will discuss it with Sander though!

Greets,

Richard

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: d. michelle hinn 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:33 AM
  Subject: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference


  Hi everyone,


  GREAT news -- the organizers of the Develop Conference in Brighton England would like us to do either a half or a full day tutorial on game accessibility. We'd do it on Friday, July 14th, which is after the main conference but is the day when all the other tutorials are scheduled for.


  The link to the conference is at http://www.developconference.com/ (I'm assuming we'll get free admission).


  So British contingent and others from Europe -- are you in? We'd likely do the same basic program that we did at GDC but with a change of players depending on who can attend. US people also invited to present, of course -- but this one I thought would get more of the Europeans.


  Please let me know ASAP if you are interested!!! More info to follow once I have an idea of who can attend and present!


  Michelle


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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Apr 27 10:39:42 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:39:42 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference
In-Reply-To: <013801c669df$b70ddb80$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
References: <a6673b8d0604261042g3d0503c5ncf975cf07166ce8a@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623090ec07606be782e@[192.168.1.102]>
	<013801c669df$b70ddb80$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
Message-ID: <p06230914c076869de695@[192.168.1.102]>

Hey there --

I'm waiting to hear if we are likely to have a workshop at GDC Europe 
-- we might not be accepted but, like I said, we haven't heard yet! 
This conference opportunity comes way of Jason at IGDA. But, anyway, 
I definitely understand funding issues though.

I think that GDC Europe is in late Sept/early october this year but 
I'm not sure since they haven't published that on their website yet...

So anyway, we may or may not be accepted to both but at least we know 
that the Develop conference definitely wants us there since they 
asked. :) Finger's crossed that we'll be at both though!! We can 
certainly present on behalf of you guys if you can't be at Develop.

Michelle

>Hi,
>
>Thanks for the notice. I don't think we'll be attending since 
>we're going to have to make a selection of visiting all these 
>conferences due to funding issues. We're probably more likely to go 
>to GDC Europe a couple of months later (september 2006? Anyone? 
><http://www.cmpgame.com/events/gdceurope.html>http://www.cmpgame.com/events/gdceurope.html ?).
>
>Will discuss it with Sander though!
>
>Greets,
>
>Richard
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:hinn at uiuc.edu>d. michelle hinn
>To: <mailto:games_access at igda.org>IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:33 AM
>Subject: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>GREAT news -- the organizers of the Develop Conference in Brighton 
>England would like us to do either a half or a full day tutorial on 
>game accessibility. We'd do it on Friday, July 14th, which is after 
>the main conference but is the day when all the other tutorials are 
>scheduled for.
>
>The link to the conference is at http://www.developconference.com/ 
>(I'm assuming we'll get free admission).
>
>So British contingent and others from Europe -- are you in? We'd 
>likely do the same basic program that we did at GDC but with a 
>change of players depending on who can attend. US people also 
>invited to present, of course -- but this one I thought would get 
>more of the Europeans.
>
>Please let me know ASAP if you are interested!!! More info to follow 
>once I have an idea of who can attend and present!
>
>Michelle
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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From jason at igda.org  Thu Apr 27 12:06:00 2006
From: jason at igda.org (Jason Della Rocca)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:06:00 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference
In-Reply-To: <20060427160015.1615F57B72@seven.pairlist.net>
References: <20060427160015.1615F57B72@seven.pairlist.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20060427120358.03df4fe0@mail.igda.org>


>I think that GDC Europe is in late Sept/early october this year but

There is no GDC Europe this year. Instead, CMP are hosting a smaller scale 
GDC London, in early October. My understanding is that it will be a single 
day, single track affair - but I could be wrong. I've not made any progress 
in getting content on the GDC London program so far.

Content wise, the IGDA is getting behind the Develop Brighton event. I'll 
be attending and doing a lecture. We'll be hosting group gatherings and we 
are managing a few other sessions...

Just FYI.

Jason

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jason Della Rocca
Executive Director
International Game Developers Association

t: +1-514-426-1162
f: +1-514-426-1201
Montreal, Canada
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.igda.org/
http://www.realitypanic.com/

"Do or do not. There is no try."
- Yoda



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Apr 27 15:27:01 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:27:01 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference
Message-ID: <8847cc67.afae4abf.9472300@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

ahhh...well that certainly changes things! so sounds like
develop brighton is the conference this year instead of gdc
europe/london.

so given that...now who is going to develop brighton? ;)
barrie, jonathan, me...

michelle

---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:06:00 -0400
>From: Jason Della Rocca <jason at igda.org>  
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference  
>To: games_access at igda.org
>
>
>>I think that GDC Europe is in late Sept/early october this
year but
>
>There is no GDC Europe this year. Instead, CMP are hosting a
smaller scale 
>GDC London, in early October. My understanding is that it
will be a single 
>day, single track affair - but I could be wrong. I've not
made any progress 
>in getting content on the GDC London program so far.
>
>Content wise, the IGDA is getting behind the Develop Brighton
event. I'll 
>be attending and doing a lecture. We'll be hosting group
gatherings and we 
>are managing a few other sessions...
>
>Just FYI.
>
>Jason
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Jason Della Rocca
>Executive Director
>International Game Developers Association
>
>t: +1-514-426-1162
>f: +1-514-426-1201
>Montreal, Canada
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>http://www.igda.org/
>http://www.realitypanic.com/
>
>"Do or do not. There is no try."
>- Yoda
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
.......................................
these are mediocre times and people are 
losing hope. it's hard for many people 
to believe that there are extraordinary 
things inside themselves, as well as 
others. i hope you can keep an open 
mind.
 -- "unbreakable"
.......................................


From brannonz at microsoft.com  Thu Apr 27 15:27:35 2006
From: brannonz at microsoft.com (Brannon Zahand)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:27:35 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Statistics, Business Cases,
	and Cost/Benefit Analysis for Game Accessibility
Message-ID: <637856A80E489D40B5F853A65272A46C08431911@RED-MSG-42.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

I'm currently in the process of putting together a detailed paper with
business justifications for making video games accessible. I've been
having a really hard time finding statistics on disabled console gamers,
business cases for making accessible games, or cost/benefit information
on the sorts of returns that can be provided by making a game accessible
and how they can offset the costs associated.

 

Does anyone have any information they could steer me to? This will be
included in a white paper and I'm obviously more than happy to cite my
resources. :-)

 

Thanks,

Brannon

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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Apr 27 15:55:53 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:55:53 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Statistics, Business Cases,
	and Cost/Benefit Analysis for Game Accessibility
Message-ID: <ef7b4449.afb0ef15.8aa9b00@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

hey brannon,

yeah...that's been a trouble spot for a while as it's a bit of
a catch 22 -- if there are no accessible controllers,
interfaces, etc for console systems, then the number of
disabled console gamers is going to be pretty low. 

one thing we've been saying for a while is that often
accessibility features lead to better and/or more innovative
designs that work for everyone and framing things in that light.

is this a public whitepaper you are working on? the reason
that i ask is that we'll be ramping up work on the
accessibility book and this is something we will want to
address in that. so if that's something you're already working
on, then we'd definitely be interested in having you author a
section in the book on the business justifications for
accessibility.

michelle

---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:27:35 -0700
>From: "Brannon Zahand" <brannonz at microsoft.com>  
>Subject: [games_access] Statistics, Business Cases, and
Cost/Benefit Analysis for Game Accessibility  
>To: <games_access at igda.org>
>
>   I'm currently in the process of putting together a
>   detailed paper with business justifications for
>   making video games accessible. I've been having a
>   really hard time finding statistics on disabled
>   console gamers, business cases for making accessible
>   games, or cost/benefit information on the sorts of
>   returns that can be provided by making a game
>   accessible and how they can offset the costs
>   associated.
>
>    
>
>   Does anyone have any information they could steer me
>   to? This will be included in a white paper and I'm
>   obviously more than happy to cite my resources. J
>
>    
>
>   Thanks,
>
>   Brannon
>________________
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
.......................................
these are mediocre times and people are 
losing hope. it's hard for many people 
to believe that there are extraordinary 
things inside themselves, as well as 
others. i hope you can keep an open 
mind.
 -- "unbreakable"
.......................................


From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Thu Apr 27 16:02:33 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:02:33 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Nintendo Revolution to be called Nintendo Wii....?
Message-ID: <001701c66a35$85f86fa0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>


http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/archives/2006/04/27/nintendo_revolution_no_more_its_all_about_wii.html

Still looking forward to the controller, just a bit aprehensive about asking for a 'wee' in a games shop!
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From richard at audiogames.net  Thu Apr 27 18:21:58 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:21:58 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference
References: <8847cc67.afae4abf.9472300@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <003201c66a49$002290e0$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

K... interesting... that's why I couldn't find a link of this years GDC 
Europe... K.. wil discuss Brighton then ;)
Will get back at you.... when's the final deadline?

And err, Matthew (Atkinson)... are you coming too?

Greets,

Richard




----- Original Message ----- 
From: <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference


> ahhh...well that certainly changes things! so sounds like
> develop brighton is the conference this year instead of gdc
> europe/london.
>
> so given that...now who is going to develop brighton? ;)
> barrie, jonathan, me...
>
> michelle
>
> ---- Original message ----
>>Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:06:00 -0400
>>From: Jason Della Rocca <jason at igda.org>
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference
>>To: games_access at igda.org
>>
>>
>>>I think that GDC Europe is in late Sept/early october this
> year but
>>
>>There is no GDC Europe this year. Instead, CMP are hosting a
> smaller scale
>>GDC London, in early October. My understanding is that it
> will be a single
>>day, single track affair - but I could be wrong. I've not
> made any progress
>>in getting content on the GDC London program so far.
>>
>>Content wise, the IGDA is getting behind the Develop Brighton
> event. I'll
>>be attending and doing a lecture. We'll be hosting group
> gatherings and we
>>are managing a few other sessions...
>>
>>Just FYI.
>>
>>Jason
>>
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Jason Della Rocca
>>Executive Director
>>International Game Developers Association
>>
>>t: +1-514-426-1162
>>f: +1-514-426-1201
>>Montreal, Canada
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>http://www.igda.org/
>>http://www.realitypanic.com/
>>
>>"Do or do not. There is no try."
>>- Yoda
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> .......................................
> these are mediocre times and people are
> losing hope. it's hard for many people
> to believe that there are extraordinary
> things inside themselves, as well as
> others. i hope you can keep an open
> mind.
> -- "unbreakable"
> .......................................
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Apr 27 18:35:00 2006
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:35:00 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference
Message-ID: <288f1002.afbf8097.849e000@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

Jason will let me know the final deadline soon but I know that
we don't have very long to get the overview to them. But we'll
pretty much go with a variation on GDC so that shouldn't be
too much trouble.

Yes -- Matthew -- this is in your territory too! Can you make
it? Also, Thomas? Goran? Giannis?

Michelle

---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:21:58 +0200
>From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>  
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference  
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
<games_access at igda.org>
>
>K... interesting... that's why I couldn't find a link of this
years GDC 
>Europe... K.. wil discuss Brighton then ;)
>Will get back at you.... when's the final deadline?
>
>And err, Matthew (Atkinson)... are you coming too?
>
>Greets,
>
>Richard
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
<games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference
>
>
>> ahhh...well that certainly changes things! so sounds like
>> develop brighton is the conference this year instead of gdc
>> europe/london.
>>
>> so given that...now who is going to develop brighton? ;)
>> barrie, jonathan, me...
>>
>> michelle
>>
>> ---- Original message ----
>>>Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:06:00 -0400
>>>From: Jason Della Rocca <jason at igda.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference
>>>To: games_access at igda.org
>>>
>>>
>>>>I think that GDC Europe is in late Sept/early october this
>> year but
>>>
>>>There is no GDC Europe this year. Instead, CMP are hosting a
>> smaller scale
>>>GDC London, in early October. My understanding is that it
>> will be a single
>>>day, single track affair - but I could be wrong. I've not
>> made any progress
>>>in getting content on the GDC London program so far.
>>>
>>>Content wise, the IGDA is getting behind the Develop Brighton
>> event. I'll
>>>be attending and doing a lecture. We'll be hosting group
>> gatherings and we
>>>are managing a few other sessions...
>>>
>>>Just FYI.
>>>
>>>Jason
>>>
>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>Jason Della Rocca
>>>Executive Director
>>>International Game Developers Association
>>>
>>>t: +1-514-426-1162
>>>f: +1-514-426-1201
>>>Montreal, Canada
>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>http://www.igda.org/
>>>http://www.realitypanic.com/
>>>
>>>"Do or do not. There is no try."
>>>- Yoda
>>>
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>> .......................................
>> these are mediocre times and people are
>> losing hope. it's hard for many people
>> to believe that there are extraordinary
>> things inside themselves, as well as
>> others. i hope you can keep an open
>> mind.
>> -- "unbreakable"
>> .......................................
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.......................................
these are mediocre times and people are 
losing hope. it's hard for many people 
to believe that there are extraordinary 
things inside themselves, as well as 
others. i hope you can keep an open 
mind.
 -- "unbreakable"
.......................................


From richard at audiogames.net  Wed Apr 19 05:52:06 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:52:06 +0200
Subject: [games_access] 20th Century Accessible Games - info hunt
References: <002c01c65db9$c9f13940$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>
	<03f001c66333$9ec52540$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <024701c66396$eb716800$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Cool, thanks!

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Barrie Ellis 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:01 AM
  Subject: [games_access] 20th Century Accessible Games - info hunt


  Re. 1990's and 1980's stuff:

  You're right. It's really tricky to track down. I remember SEMERC / Brilliant Computing making accessible eductational games for the BBC Micro computer in the mid 80's to early 90's. I'll try to track something down on this. (http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/I/BBC/IBBCMicro1.htm - has a very rough picture of the switch box).

  I've also been told that there has been the odd article in Amusment operator magazines about arcade games that have been adapted for disabled gamers (Andy Welburn - http://www.andys-arcade.net/) - But he's a busy man, and hasn't yet tracked these down to send a copy

  These might be of interest though:

  http://www.pathwaysdg.com/enews/archive.htm - Pathways Development Group (1999 onwards) - Details GA work starting in the early 90's
  http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/I/Playstation-PC/Iplaystation.htm - Switch Accessible Playstation 2001 - Although this was sourced from work from 1996 to around 2000.

  Good luck tracking more down.

  Barrie
  www.OneSwitch.org.uk


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: AudioGames.net 
    To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
    Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:46 PM
    Subject: [games_access] Hiya...


    Hiya,

    Sander and I've been busy working on the Game-Accessibility website, which we are slowly releasing to the public now... very slowly since there's still a huge amount of typos and several sections not yet filled in. But anyway, you can already get a glance of what it is becoming...

    http://www.game-accessibility.com

    Of course we still have to add loads of resources and we're still toying with the format here and there (like the gamer section which is the biggest mess still). Since Sander and I mostly know resources related to audio games and blind-related game accessibiltiy, I am wondering If any of you know some good (academic) resources on game accessibility for other handicaps... I'm mostly interested in research papers, project descriptions and academic resources but of course everything is welcome... I managed find some stuff I saved on my computer years ago which is now gone from the internet (which is one of the aims of the project - to prevent resources from fading away after a couple of years)... anyone have some older stuff on game accessibility as well? Like, last century stuff (I only got a few papers from the 1990's which only refer to game accessibility like "maybe in the future we could have games for blind children as well...?"...?

    Greets,

    Richard


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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sat Apr 29 16:15:31 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:15:31 +0100
Subject: [games_access] SEGA's "OshareMajo Love & Berry" one switch arcade
	game
Message-ID: <04ec01c66bc9$aa6bd530$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

...not quite my taste - but Sega have a very popular arcade game called "Love and Berry" in Japanese Arcades that makes use of one button / one switch play.

http://blog.q-taro.com/archives/000870.php
http://osharemajo.com/intro/way.html

It's aimed at small girls, but interesting none the less.




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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sat Apr 29 16:25:41 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:25:41 +0100
Subject: [games_access] SEGA's "OshareMajo Love & Berry" one switch
	arcadegame
References: <04ec01c66bc9$aa6bd530$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <04fc01c66bcb$163234c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

sheesh - how dodgy did that last post just make me sound(!)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Barrie Ellis 
  To: IGDA GA mailing list 
  Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 9:15 PM
  Subject: [games_access] SEGA's "OshareMajo Love & Berry" one switch arcadegame


  ...not quite my taste - but Sega have a very popular arcade game called "Love and Berry" in Japanese Arcades that makes use of one button / one switch play.

  http://blog.q-taro.com/archives/000870.php
  http://osharemajo.com/intro/way.html

  It's aimed at small girls, but interesting none the less.







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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sat Apr 29 16:29:48 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:29:48 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Game Law: Everybody Conga? - Tom Buscaglia article
Message-ID: <050501c66bcb$a968f940$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Fine, fine article at Gamasutra by Tom Buscaglia:

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060428/buscaglia_01.shtml

Great work!

Barrie
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sat Apr 29 16:33:42 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:33:42 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Fw: GDC 2006 Presentations
Message-ID: <050c01c66bcc$34f0e220$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>



GDC 2006 Presentations info:


Game Law (Thomas Buscaglia): 
http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060428/buscaglia_01.shtml
Closed Captioning (Reid): 
http://gamescc.rbkdesign.com/gdc2006/tutorial/Games[CC]_gdc2006.ppt
Audio Games (Richard & Sander): 
http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/gdc/audiogamesgdc.zip
Physical Barriers (Barrie & Eric): 
http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/ARTICLES/physical-barriers.htm
Universal Accessibility (Giannis): 
http://www.ics.forth.gr/hci/ua-games/publications.html
Photos (Michelle): 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vrgrrl/sets/72057594097461742/
Photos (Thomas): http://www.pininteractive.com/_ftpupload/images/gdc2006.zip
Kevin: ?

Top 10 Accessibility Features: http://tim.thechases.com/top10_2.pdf





From richard at audiogames.net  Sat Apr 29 16:43:22 2006
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:43:22 +0200
Subject: [games_access] SEGA's "OshareMajo Love & Berry" one
	switcharcadegame
References: <04ec01c66bc9$aa6bd530$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<04fc01c66bcb$163234c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <004001c66bcd$9162d940$8e8b2ed5@Delletje>

Hahahahaha... 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Barrie Ellis 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [games_access] SEGA's "OshareMajo Love & Berry" one switcharcadegame


  sheesh - how dodgy did that last post just make me sound(!)
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Barrie Ellis 
    To: IGDA GA mailing list 
    Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 9:15 PM
    Subject: [games_access] SEGA's "OshareMajo Love & Berry" one switch arcadegame


    ...not quite my taste - but Sega have a very popular arcade game called "Love and Berry" in Japanese Arcades that makes use of one button / one switch play.

    http://blog.q-taro.com/archives/000870.php
    http://osharemajo.com/intro/way.html

    It's aimed at small girls, but interesting none the less.







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From rkimball at gmail.com  Sat Apr 29 17:04:31 2006
From: rkimball at gmail.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:04:31 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Game Law: Everybody Conga? - Tom Buscaglia article
In-Reply-To: <050501c66bcb$a968f940$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
References: <050501c66bcb$a968f940$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0604291404he8a9773l3a6967273064ef68@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent, hopefully this will generate some more interest from devs
now that the info about laws and tax incentives is out there. Thanks
Tom for your contribution to our efforts.

-Reid

On 4/29/06, Barrie Ellis <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Fine, fine article at Gamasutra by Tom Buscaglia:
>
> http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060428/buscaglia_01.shtml
>
> Great work!
>
> Barrie
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
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From thb at gameattorney.com  Sun Apr 30 11:49:15 2006
From: thb at gameattorney.com (Thomas H. Buscaglia)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:49:15 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Game Law: Everybody Conga? - Tom Buscaglia article
In-Reply-To: <050501c66bcb$a968f940$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
References: <050501c66bcb$a968f940$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060430114908.035da568@gameattorney.com>

thx *blush*

At 04:29 PM 4/29/2006, you wrote:
>Fine, fine article at Gamasutra by Tom Buscaglia:
>
><http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060428/buscaglia_01.shtml>http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060428/buscaglia_01.shtml
>
>Great work!
>
>Barrie
><http://www.OneSwitch.org.uk>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
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From kikihaven at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 30 16:32:43 2006
From: kikihaven at hotmail.com (kiki haven)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:32:43 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Brighton Develop Conference
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sun Apr 30 19:20:20 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 00:20:20 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Speed Control for PC Games
Message-ID: <002401c66cac$a66c06b0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Found a great utility that allows you to slow down the speed of your PC. This works with many simpler games (including many of the one switch games), as well as a few emulators I've been trying out. Ideal for people with slower reactions, and people using head trackers to play games:

CPU Killer: www.cpukiller.com (free 30 day trial - $29.50 to register)
Mo'Slo: www.hpaa.com/moslo/4biz.asp ($25 to buy on-line) - I've not tried this one yet, so if anyone does, please let me know.


This doesn't seem to work so well with games that 'frame skip' (such as 'Jungle Run' http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/sd-various.htm). Most emulators allow you to turn off frame skipping, which can cure this problem.

Barrie
OneSwitch.org.uk

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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sun Apr 30 19:29:26 2006
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 00:29:26 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Retro Remakes 2006 Competition - Accessibility Angle
Message-ID: <002a01c66cad$ebaf8b10$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

In the very near future there will be a game programming competition held at 
www.retroremakes.co.uk. This is where the majority of the one switch games 
came from at www.oneswitch.org.uk - Part of the judging criteria will 
involve an Accessibility Angle. It's not a catch all, but I'm wondering what 
you all think to these draft guidelines for programmers. What we didn't want 
to do, is seem too daunting:




ii) The final 20 marks out of 100 will be judged upon accessibility with a 
possible 5 points awarded for each of the following accessibility 
categories:

*Adjustable difficulty levels and player assistance.

Please bear in mind that not everyone who might play your game is of the 
same ability, therefor there can be no such thing as a game that is "too 
easy".

We understand that not every game can support an Easy / Medium / Hard 
dynamic easily without destroying the core of the game - we recommend that 
if you cannot easily increase or decrease the difficulty then you can 
consider offering varying levels of assistance to the player, such as easier 
access to extra lives (or more lives at the beginning of the game), time 
limits removed or lengthened or provide the player with clues as to how to 
progress.

*Accessibility of Controls.

The more control options that you support, the more you open up your game to 
a wider userbase. From simple things like offering a variety of control 
methods, redefinable keys to offering simplified control methods to your 
game there are a myriad of ways that you can make the controls more 
accessible.

*Sound options

At its most basic level, this category will have points awarded for 
implementing basic audio menu's - will the user have the ability to 
seperately control the output levels of the music and sound effects?

For more advanced implementation we ask you to consider anything from audio 
cues for on screen events to closed captioning/subtitling your games.

* Clarity

The final 5 marks are awarded according to how well the accessibility 
features gel within your game.

Is your game easy to understand or to play?
Are the menu's easy to navigate around?
Have you implemented things in an easy to understand and appropriate manner?

We want you to consider making your remake open to as many people as 
possible to play regardless of their ability or skills. If you wish to 
discuss the implementation of these features then please, feel free to visit 
our forum and discuss it there.

The aim of these rules is not to limit what you create, but to open up what 
you create to a wider audience. In every genre or style of game, we believe 
that you should be able to implement these features at or beyond their most 
basic level.




There will be a forum for help with accessibility issues at RetroRemakes 
(that may be left open for ever more), plus links to ourselves for potential 
help (unless there are any objections?). It's going to be interesting to see 
what people can do in a few months. Any thoughts?

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk

p.s. - Also wondering if there's any one out there with enough web-space to 
help host some of these potential accessible games, providing we get 
permission?