[games_access] GDC 2008: VERY Bad News

Sat Dec 1 14:09:31 EST 2007

I agree it's needed -- volunteer time AND persistence is also needed 
to get something out there. I, too, am frustrated -- so that is why 
I'm pushing against the list right now. You say that you have been 
pushing the document by yourself -- unfortunately most of the things 
that get done happen because it's one single person pushing it 
through to the bitter end. I speak from experience -- I'm in this 
position all the time, as are others. Hell, there are a million 
things I want us to do simultaneously but it's just not possible 
given the current state of sweat equity (my phrase of the day) in the 
SIG. So things get unbalanced with regard to priorities because 
persistence just isn't there for every project so other things (ie, 
conference) gain the focus.

Michelle

>(I was referring to my email sent earlier to this list, which didn't 
>seem to have come through?!?)... here it is again:
>
>Hi,
>
>I agree with John. I think too much focus of the SIG (at least the past year
>and a half or so) has been on "spreading the word" and not so much on
>defining "game accessibility fundamentals". I guess most of you are also
>aware of this and I agree that spreading the word is important too. But I
>think it is about time we finish A (or The) Definitive v1.0 Set of Game
>Accessibility Design Guidelines/Principles/Heuristics/Patterns! Once and for
>all. Several people here are very anxious about getting logos (yes, I know -
>logos for very specific functionalities[1]) as soon as possible and stuff
>like that but WITHOUT a good definition of accessibility it doesn't mean
>anything. BTW John, I'm not saying you are stupid but... (grin)... you claim
>to develop game that "are accessible" yet you yourself do not know a
>"specific set of functional criteria that define what means accessible"...
>;) (just a joke ;) > but it is actually an example of the problem > I know
>some of us have been saying "this game is accessible" or "this feature is
>accessible" in the past but is it really...? For example, many of the games
>and features that Barrie often names as "being accessible" absolutely do not
>improve the accessibility for my personal target group (visually impaired
>gamers). But when you visit the links that Barrie posted in answer of John's
>email you'll see that they DO NOT provide coherent information of design
>guidelines/heuristics for game accessibility, nor a final
>definition/description of what game accessibility should consist of. There
>is a lot of information out there, including old and also invalid
>information [2] in my opinion but it does not cover what needs to be done to
>make games accessible. For example, Eelke's (pretty good!) design patterns
>are a formal way of describing specific design problems and their solutions,
>but not everything concerning game accessibility might be able to be
>captured in the format of patterns [3]. My point: there is alot of
>information out there that is not coherent and not all information is there.
>And therefore agree with John that if it's not the SIG's job to fix this
>issue, whose job is it?
>
>John's email reminded me that that was what initially draw me to this SIG in
>the first place (being busy with game accessibility myself and disagreeing
>with the initial SIG Top 10 guidelines and hopeing to contribute to a better
>definition and design guidelines) and now painfully lets me conclude that
>here I am, still working on my initial draft [4] more or less by myself (see
>my GDC08 proposal and 3 years of posts to the list concerning guidelines).
>John's email also made me realise how little the SIG has published. I know
>several of us have written articles, but as far as I know - if you don't
>count the SIG activity at conferences, the last actual SIG publication was
>2005?
>
>Sigh... ok.. point of this email: I believe we are all doing the best we
>can, with limited resources and busy lives. And we all want to do as much as
>possible. Several of us have already aimed their actual careers at that. And
>we already scheduled several committees for specific activities such as
>research and industry and stuff like that. So cheers and drinks for us :)
>And the active <10 of us can't do more than we can. But, logically, one of
>the best next steps we can now do is to make a worldwide publication with a
>definitive set of descriptions of game accessibility functionality, with
>design guidelines and where possible, design patterns. And since The Book
>will not coming for another couple of years or so I think a simple .pdf
>paper with the IGDA logo will do.
>Too much of the SIG's knowledge is floating in the air (or in the heads of
><10 individuals around the world). Why try to only ventilate that knowledge
>at conferences? If we put that knowledge in a fixed form it will help with
>BOTH awareness and more accessible games. I also the SIG benefits from
>that - it will help ourselves get our personal thoughts out and get in line
>with each other - something I think we now are not. Therefore I think that
>such a publication is now much more needed than anything else.
>
>Greets,
>
>Richard
>
>
>[1] like " contains captions" , "one switch accessible", etc. etc. which in
>the end could mean about 39? logo's on your product - which is not very
>accessible?
>[2] http://gameaccess.medialt.no/guide.php
>[3] I prefer a hierarchical list of keypoints > guidelines > patterns - a
>bit like seen in my doc [4].
>[4] http://www2.hku.nl/~mosh/ga/gatheoryshort012_2OLD.doc
>
>
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>----- Original Message ----- From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 7:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC 2008: VERY Bad News
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Well, me? > 1) See my doc, which I think is the best attempt to 
>>capture game accessibility so far. I anyone disagrees PLEASE :) 
>>tell me... :)
>>
>>Greets,
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bannick" <jbannick at 7128.com>
>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 6:51 PM
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] GDC 2008: VERY Bad News
>>
>>>Michelle,
>>>
>>>Well put.
>>>
>>>So OK. I volunteer to assemble, contribute to, and be responsible 
>>>for delivery of Item 1.
>>>
>>>This means:
>>>
>>>1. Getting from you good folks any work in progress you want to 
>>>share, synthesizing it into something that works, getting a quick 
>>>review by anyone here who is interested, and delivering a first 
>>>cut of SIG Game Accessibility Criteria.
>>>
>>>2. Getting from anyone here who wants to contribute, and 
>>>contributing to, a list of target developers, organizations, 
>>>institutions, and distributors we send this to, getting a quick 
>>>review, and delivering a first cut Distribution List.
>>>
>>>3. Writing a first draft cover letter /  promo piece, that is sent 
>>>with the Criteria, getting a quick review, and delivering this 
>>>first cut Cover Letter.
>>>
>>>All of the above sent to you, Michelle NLT 15 January, 2008.
>>>That way you get the volunteer work, you maintain control, and 
>>>everyone is included.
>>>
>>>BTW. This isn't nearly as formidable as developing coding 
>>>standards for the 50 engineers who did the software that laid out 
>>>the NY Times, and surviving the process.
>>>
>>>Does this work for you, Michelle?
>>>
>>>John Bannick
>>>
>>>At 12:24 PM 12/1/2007, you wrote:
>>>>All of the things John mentions are projects we have talked about 
>>>>and/or taken passes at (the top ten list from two years ago and 
>>>>now the new project that Barrie has started up, etc). Others have 
>>>>brought up other ideas that we've either done or attempted and 
>>>>then the projects lost momentum. All these things are great but 
>>>>there's a problem...these things also take active volunteers in 
>>>>the SIG and from that perspective our numbers are low. So we need 
>>>>people who are willing to put in the time and may/may not get any 
>>>>reimbursement for that time and every project cannot be started 
>>>>and maintained by me.
>>>>
>>>>So instead of continuing to criticize ourselves (I know...I 
>>>>started it but I was really mad after killing myself over the 
>>>>proposals at deadline), the industry, the GDC etc...who from 
>>>>WITHIN this SIG can put in the time needed for these things AND 
>>>>actually follow through? No, it's not fair that we aren't in a 
>>>>position to reimburse people for time and that won't change in 
>>>>the near future. But it's something that will have to change and 
>>>>it will change but we can't just wait for that day to come 
>>>>(because it won't come if we don't put in the sweat equity now). 
>>>>People need to honestly commit the time and work because they 
>>>>believe in making change. Take some of that anger and tell me 
>>>>what YOU are willing to do to help us make change. Take ownership 
>>>>of something on behalf of the SIG. Ideas are great...but we need 
>>>>people who will put in the work so that the "SIG" is able to do 
>>>>these things.
>>>>
>>>>So who will join in putting in some volunteer time so that these 
>>>>ideas can become reality?
>>>>
>>>>Michelle
>>>>
>>>>>Reid is right.
>>>>>
>>>>>There are developers right now who want their work to be accessible.
>>>>>
>>>>>This SIG could right now facilitate that by:
>>>>>
>>>>>1. Providing, distributing, and publicizing a concise, specific 
>>>>>set of functional criteria that define what means accessible.
>>>>>2. Compiling, publishing, and publicizing an annual list of 
>>>>>which companies and games meet those criteria.
>>>>>3. Maintaining a forum (The currently rather drifting Game 
>>>>>Accessibility Project comes to mind) where developers can go for 
>>>>>immediate help.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm a developer of games that are accessible.
>>>>>Have shipped 22 different revenue-generating products in a wide 
>>>>>variety of vertical markets in the last 30 years.
>>>>>Am neither stupid nor lazy.
>>>>>And don't see any of the 3 above items.
>>>>>
>>>>>None of the 3 items should take long to build as a first cut.
>>>>>
>>>>>And if not from this SIG, then from where?
>>>>>
>>>>>John Bannick
>>>>>CTO
>>>>>7-128 Software
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>At 02:26 AM 12/1/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>>Please, can we stop with the negative talk about GDC and the game
>>>>>>industry? I work in the game industry for LucasArts. Just last week I
>>>>>>talked to a highly respected programmer and he's 100% behind us and
>>>>>>wants to talk about what we can do to improve accessibility in our
>>>>>>games after our current milestone is finished. There are dozens of
>>>>>>people at LucasArts that support game accessibility. Nintendo totally
>>>>>>gets it, EA Games totally gets it with their Family Play modes in
>>>>>>their sports games. Peter Molyneux gets it, Will Wright... the list
>>>>>>goes on and on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's offensive to me when people of this SIG accuse developers of not
>>>>>>caring because WE DO CARE. The last thing you want to do is insult the
>>>>>>people you have to work with. It's the quickest way to turn them away
>>>>>>from our cause.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, instead of complaining, lets do something about it! First,
>>>>>>everyone here needs to understand what it's like for developers and
>>>>>>why it's so hard for them to adopt accessibility features.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. Limited financial resources - Games are very expensive to make and
>>>>>>any new features adds to the cost. Before you can add accessibility
>>>>>>features you must have a game and that's where most of the money is
>>>>>>spent first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2. Limited time - Game development is incredibly complex and hard to
>>>>>>tame. No matter how much extra time gets budgeted into the production
>>>>>>schedule, it always runs out well before all tasks are complete. When
>>>>>>this happens, features get cut in order to save the core of the game
>>>>>>and again, without a game, there can't be any accessibility features.
>>>>>>Because this usually happens so late, there isn't enough time to work
>>>>>>on accessibility features before the game has to ship.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>3. Limited information - Even if a developer was pro-active and
>>>>>>scheduled the development of accessibility features into the games'
>>>>>>development schedule, there's still a major lack of knowledge and
>>>>>>tools that enable them to do their job. The SIG has been thinking
>>>>>>about accessibility features for years and we have all the solutions,
>>>>>>but developers don't yet. We need to make ourselves known and readily
>>>>>>available to help them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What can we do to solve these issues? We need to develop our
>>>>>>relationships with developers and offer our assistance. Our attempts
>>>>>>to work with GarageGames is a good start. When a new game is announced
>>>>>>we should contact them and offer our expertise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We have GOT to get a website up so that we can communicate our
>>>>>>abilities and expertise to our target audiences (game developers).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But there are technical issues and many of us are volunteers and so
>>>>>>things move very slowly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Several of us are writing guidelines for implementing certain features
>>>>>>but again, this is a slow process. Others are doing research. Going to
>>>>>>conferences is awesome. Writing articles to Gamasutra is great as
>>>>>>well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Eitan is right, we have to "sell" our expertise. It's not that
>>>>>>developers don't care, they don't know that they SHOULD care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-Reid
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