[games_access] Getting Federal government. On our side.

d. michelle hinn hinn at uiuc.edu
Mon Dec 3 15:31:34 EST 2007

That's more of a place to move toward than something for right now.
That's a position statement that's obviously been finally turned --
it's something we should work on having for the SIG that will help
direct our efforts and remind us of what we ultimately are about.

>I took a look at that page for your suggestion of what the petition

>looks like.




>I don't know about that I think it's way too long to write all that.

>The petition web site says it should be short and to the point and

>very precise. So I'd look at some of the other examples and it

>seems to be a good start. Except we do need to add the right links

>for people to click on to get history on the issue that's what was






>From: games_access-bounces at igda.org

>[mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn

>Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 11:24 PM

>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List

>Subject: Re: [games_access] Getting Federal government. On our side.


>This is true and I definitely was not trying to discourage the

>petition -- but when we start talking laws...we start talking about

>lawsuits. To do that is a whole different ballgame.


>Movie industry captioning does fall, in part, under the Americans

>with Disabilities Act but that ruling was in 2000 and the fight to

>get at least seat based captioning is STILL ongoing with lawsuit

>after lawsuit launched. The issue is that these require special

>devices and sometimes seating that someone has to pick up the bill

>for (who pays for that? The movie theatres? The movie industry?).

>The other issue is captions on or below the screen -- The National

>Association of the Deaf have been trying to get "open captioning"

>(captions on or below the screen) of movies in theaters implemented

>for a loooooong time now -- "open captioning" or on screen

>captioning is NOT covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act

>for some reason so there's ZERO incentive for the film industry to

>do that unless they are showing a foreign language film) and there

>are entire chains of movie theatres that do NOT provide captioning

>-- even seat-based:




>See also this page for more information on how the movie industry

>has reacted (quoted from the website: "Movie studios and theaters

>have been slow to adopt open captioning of movies by claiming that

>open captioning causes a negative effect on box office sales." Sound





>The above is a nice example of a position statement that is perhaps

>more like what we want to go with regarding a petition.


>A tax break initiative for movie theatre chains to do provide for

>this was introduced in the JOBS act but when the final version of

>the law passed, this was a "rider" on the law that was not included.

>There have also been lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit raised and

>those take forever and usually get dropped for one reason or another.


>So perhaps what we need to do is not just get a petition going but

>actually get groups like the National Association of the Deaf and so

>forth involved. Because we can get every name in the game industry

>to sign the petition but it's powerful (and politically connected)

>groups like these that launch the lawsuits -- they have the power,

>connections, and the money to do this.


>I know...this is soooo "American." It would be great if there were

>easy and inexpensive options for the industry to implement, that it

>was "politically correct" for a legislator to stand behind this

>issue (remember...we are in election times...) -- the veteran issue

>is great and I definitely use this example in talks that I give. But

>on the flip side...games were also used to recruit so you can

>imagine the powderkeg the senator/whoever that brings this up will

>face. And with all the issues current candidates are having to

>address...eeek. So once again the lawsuit issue comes up. For that?

>We need way more power and we need the power and support of major

>disability organizations.


>Note: I am in no way saying "let's launch a lawsuit NOW." In fact,

>by even raising the issue I'm probably pissing off every developer

>on the list. Or not. I'm only raising the issue and pointing out how

>other advocacy groups have handled this issue of accessibility to



>Michelle (who on some days is tempted to go get a law degree in

>night school...hahahahahahah...ok, seriously...I'm tired. And when

>that happens all kinds of crazy things come to mind.)




>>I know what you mean Michelle. But the bottom line is there needs to be

>>something created so that the entertainment world has a standard also.


>>Take for example the product brought out by the movie industry.


>>In order for their productivity listened to by people with heart hearing,

>>the movie theaters themselves by law, have to provide assistance technology

>>to help the people either see or hear with devices.



>>To me that seems like not exactly the same thing but something similar.


>>The game design industry also provides a product that is not equal

>>opportunity to enjoy.


>>If we can get the petition circled around then we can send it to the right

>>people who know the law and who can help us voice in if they see the need,

>>which will combine the most important people we can find to sign it.


>>Even if we just get around to the people we need to sign it, and then send

>>it around to officials, and nothing happens, I think it makes a very loud

>>statement. Because then it can be documented who signed it.


>>I would imagine trying to get the key names in the industry to sign it.

>>Even the employees for those companies.


>>Not to mention sending it out to all the important institutions.


>>On their web site for the petition web page they do say that it's

>>prohibited, not allowed, to mass e-mail yourself they set it up somehow

>>targeting it to the right people I'm not sure how.


>>I do not know what that's all about. Seems kind of crazy.




>>-----Original Message-----

>>From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]

>>On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn

>>Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 8:10 PM

>>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List

>>Subject: Re: [games_access] Getting Federal government. On our side.


>>Well, the reality is that it can take a VERY long time for a bill to

>>become a law...and even longer for something to become a bill! While

>>I think we should send something to the government I think the first

>>step is going to be sending something that makes them aware that this

>>is even an issue.


>>Then we probably need the help of a legislative attorney who knows

>>what specific constitutional laws are being violated and in what

>>instances. For instance, I'm pretty sure that there's no law that

>>requires that the music industry makes all CDs sold accessible to all

>>so a federal law mandating that video games are accessible to all

>>seems like that's probably pretty improbable. But what about video

>>game tournaments that exclude disabled gamers or a video game that's

>>marketed and used in schools (that, for sure, is a violation of US



>>I don't mean to be discouraging -- quite the opposite. We just have

>>to know what's possible and what is realistic and what can be done

>>soon and what is going to take a whole lot of persistence.




>>>Sounds great. I'm just not sure how to tie it in a broad? How would that

>>>work? I was suggesting that if it worked here it would become something

>>>marketable that other countries with one the same stamp of approval.


>>>My thoughts would be if it was made into some kind of legislation who makes

>>>up the ideas for ranking if it becomes accepted?


>>>I think the best thing is to put together the petition that I will

>>>definitely start writing. And then if we get any important representatives

>>>responding they can let us know what they think the best solution would be.


>>>Ultimately I think it should be something we can make money from instead of

>>>giving away all our ideas. So I'm sure there will be guidelines written up

>>>basic ones may be but then after that someone needs to regulate it.


>>>Kind of like what Hillary Clinton set up with the MSRP people. And as they

>> >might already have a branch or suggest a private branch which would be

>>>better. Maybe they would find it and give us a place to locate. One of


>>>best persuasive points to put in the petition would be for the injured





>>>-----Original Message-----

>>>From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]

>>>On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn

>>>Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 7:34 PM

>>>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List

>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] Getting Federal government. On our side.


>>>I have all the US Senate/House/Governors email addresses so if you

>>>start it and others can help edit, I can send out a press release.


>>>We can start by raising the issue with the US government because I

>>>have those addresses but as Barrie suggested -- why limit this to

>>>just the US?


>>>I'm not sure how successful it will be but we haven't tried it and


>> >with the right tone it's worth a shot -- if anything it never hurts

>>>to remind the US government who often tries to outlaw gaming after

>>>this and that happens that games are important and not all bad. I'm

>>>always happy to contribute to that approach!




>>>>Robert, if you kick start it, and get it going - I'll support you

>>>>and so will others. Why not

>>>>start by building an on-line petition - I'm sure there's more than just me

>>>>here that would be happy to proof read it and add suggestions before

>>>>it goes live.


>>>>Take a look here:





>>>>I too don't know how successful this approach will be - but none of us


>>>>know for sure unless it's tried.


>>>>At the very least, it can burble away in the background - building support

>>>>for us in numbers. Perhaps we could all point people in its direction if


>>>>says things we are mostly happy with? I'd like it to be a bit more

>>>>international in scope, so I'd love to see an intro paragraph with links


>>>>translated versions in other languages.


>>>>Go for it, Robert!



>>> >www.OneSwitch.org.uk


>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Florio"

>>><arthit73 at cablespeed.com>

>>>>To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>

>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 7:41 PM

>>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] Getting Federal government. On our side.


>>>>>I'm actually proposing how many of us want to and can help to send


>>>>>to important people like senators, independent game developers, to get

>>>>>petitions signed, and send it to some senators to get some kind of

>>>>>nationwide talk on this and finally a regulated necessity standard?


>>>>>I think it's a very good and noble thing to do. Thinking of it in a way

>>>>>that it's an industry that has ignored and does not have any future plans

>>>>>for any big deals for accessibility for people. Especially in the United

>>>>>States is our Constitution write to have fair access to all forms of

>>>>>entertainment. To not allow people access to their product is



>>>>>Again this is something I have proposed before nobody said they wanted to

>>>>>work on it and I don't know why it seems like a great thing to do. Stand


>>>>>for our rights that's what the government is there to help us to


>>>>>in a billion-dollar industry making millions and millions but ignoring


>>>>>rest seems wrong.





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