[games_access] adaptive controllers
Barrie Ellis
barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk
Tue Feb 27 17:21:18 EST 2007
Hi Eugene,
Thanks for the kind words. RJ Cooper do some great work too, there's no
denying it. Really looking forward to your work on a new accessible
controller.
Have you seen this by the way?
http://benheck.com/02-25-2007/projects-i-would-do-in-a-heartbeat-time-permitting/
Might be a good guy to tie up with? Perhaps helping him with his fantastic
one-hand controllers work, he could help you?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6396925.stm - was curious too.
All the best,
Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eugene Monasterio, M.D. ext6806" <EMonasterio at CHVA.ORG>
To: <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 2:41 PM
Subject: [games_access] adaptive controllers
> Hi Barrie
> You are absolutely right, most families are not aware of what is currently
> available. It wasn't in the survey whether they had knowledge of other
> controllers, but It is something that comes up in clinic. I ask what kids
> do for fun as routine in my clinical interview... this always leads to a
> 10-15 min discussion of what they play and what I play, are they online
> what problems they have etc. I do send a lot of families to your website!
> (it's great by the way) and to RJ Cooper's. Our assitive technology group
> is very experienced and although the main focus is
> communication/education/mobility access I'm getting them to think more
> about leisure and recreation.
> Eugenio
>
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> 1. Re: Bay Area Gamers with Disabilities (Robert Florio)
> 2. Re: playing habits (Barrie Ellis)
> 3. Video: "In my language" a personal interpretation of autism
> (Jonathan Chetwynd)
> 4. Statistics and research (Eugene Monasterio, M.D. ext6806)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:27:28 -0500
> From: "Robert Florio" <arthit73 at cablespeed.com>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Bay Area Gamers with Disabilities
> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"
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> No problem I think we could use that floor the concierge. Like I said
> they
> said it would be $20 each person but that's for all day I believe it's
> catered breakfast and lunch all day. Things like orange juice, muffins,
> fruit. I haven't found out much more than that do need the number I think
> I
> gave you the number in my information list about the hotel?
>
> Here it is. 1-415-392-8000
> if they need me to call directly let them know who I am I will for sure.
> Renaissance Parc 55
>
> I really do appreciate giving them my name I called them and left them
> some
> information also. I feel it's very important that we all support each
> other
> and believe me I am so very thankful.
>
> It might be a perfect thing to hand them my documentary. However before I
> pass these things out there must be some sort of written agreement they
> will
> not use it until signed agreement things like that I'm sure.
>
> I need to get this documentary complete. I will let you know after
> tomorrow
> when my friend helps me figure this out. Very exciting. Will you contact
> me and let me know all the snow like you have when and where we should
> meet
> up with them? With my experience in the past being where they are is
> crucial not leaving them hanging because it's sometimes difficult for them
> to arrange those appointments. God is good. So are you.
>
> Robert
> www.RobertFlorio.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
> On Behalf Of hinn at uiuc.edu
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:14 PM
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Bay Area Gamers with Disabilities
>
> Yes -- actually Robert I gave them your contact info and they have already
> indicated to me that they'd like to interview you so I'm setting up times
> for all of us to meet up. They are casting a wide net so they are also
> looking for some locals to the Bay Area who might be gamers with
> disabilities.
>
> So on the 4th (Sunday) and the 5th (Monday) expect to be doing a lot of
> press interviews, everyone!
>
> On Sunday, Robert -- can we use that special level at your hotel? I'm
> asking
> Jason if IGDA can pick up the tab for the guests and I'm also going to
> call
> the hotel and ask them if they could cut us a break on the cost for at
> least
> one day if we promise not to eat or something. ;)
>
> Michelle
>
> ---- Original message ----
>>Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:03:32 -0500
>>From: "Robert Florio" <arthit73 at cablespeed.com>
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] Bay Area Gamers with Disabilities
>>To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
>>
>>I'd like to contact them anyway I've got a lot of experience with
> television
>>interviews. I don't really know anyone with disabilities who plays games
> in
>>California. Other places around the country but I don't think California.
>>Would it be okay if I contacted them to see if they could use me I could
>>actually play the controller QuadController set up at one of our arcades
>>to
>>demonstrate? That would be a huge launching ground for all of us. Who
>>knows when I get my documentary complete I could even give it to them they
>>might be the perfect people. Thank you so much for sharing this with us.
>>
>>I still can't get it to render though a friend of mine from the workforce
>>technology Center in Baltimore who's paying for my education is coming
>>over
>>tomorrow to troubleshoot. While I have left to do is do the voice over
>>and
>>that I'm complete. It is one hour and 25 minutes long. Don't worry I was
>>short but all good stuff Do we keep energetic keep attention I've got
>>experience with that it's all fun.
>>
>>Robert
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
>>On Behalf Of hinn at uiuc.edu
>>Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 3:44 PM
>>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>Subject: [games_access] Bay Area Gamers with Disabilities
>>
>>Hi everyone,
>>
>>I've received a request to forward this to the list:
>>
>>TV Producers from KQED, the PBS station in San Francisco, are looking for
>>Bay Area gamers (designers, developers and plain enthusiasts) with
>>disabilities for a segment they are doing on video game accessibility. The
>>segment will air on their new, weekly-airing
>>science/environment/technology
>>series, "Quest". The Quest production crew will be filming at the Game
>>Developers Conference in San Francisco from March 5th thru March 9th, so a
>>response at your earliest convenience would be greatly appreciated. Please
>>contact KQED Associate Producer Sheraz Sadiq at 415-553-2856 or
>>ssadiq(at)kqed.org to find out more about the project and share your
>>story.
>>
>>The producers have been working with me on getting access to our GDC
>>sessions and talking with members who are going to be at GDC but the
>>producers are also interested in talking with gamers with disabilities in
>>the San Francisco, California area who are not going to GDC.
>>
>>Michelle
>>.......................................
>>these are mediocre times and people are
>>losing hope. it's hard for many people
>>to believe that there are extraordinary
>>things inside themselves, as well as
>>others. i hope you can keep an open
>>mind.
>> -- "unbreakable"
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> these are mediocre times and people are
> losing hope. it's hard for many people
> to believe that there are extraordinary
> things inside themselves, as well as
> others. i hope you can keep an open
> mind.
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> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:43:05 -0000
> From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] playing habits
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> <games_access at igda.org>
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> Hello Eugene,
>
> I'm not surprised that hardly any of the kids were using adaptive hardware
> for consoles to be honest. Did you ask them/their parents/carers if they
> were aware of available assistive technology for Xbox / PS2 / Gamecube /
> Dreamcast / Xbox 360? My bet would be that the majority of them wouldn't,
> from personal experience.
>
> Barrie
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eugene Monasterio, M.D. ext6806" <EMonasterio at CHVA.ORG>
> To: <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:04 PM
> Subject: [games_access] playing habits
>
>
>> We surveyed 50 consecutive patients in a general rehab and multispecialty
>> clinic setting, we are currently administering the same survey to a spina
>> bifida population in a multisite study.
>> The majority of children had cerebral palsy (we had diplegic,
>> quadriplegic
>> and hemiplegic patients), but we also had patients with spina bifida,
>> muscular dystrophy, head injury, and spinal cord injuries. The vast
>> majority played on standard consoles, certainly more than on the pc. The
>> game choices were all over the map in regard to ESRB ratings. I would
>> describe the games as typical choices within the top 25 games by sales.
>> We tried to capture skill level but our numbers were to small in the
>> initial study. (we asked whether the child could compete with peers or
>> siblings, compete with parents, or couldn't compete)
>>
>> In this pilot we were really trying to show what we thought we knew that
>> almost all kids that come through my clinic play video games, and
>> virtually none of them use adaptive controllers. Not all children play
>> the
>> same way though, I have quadriplegic patients who will have their parents
>> setup mariokart and they lay on the floor and type away at the
>> controller, they don't particularly pay attention to the game goals but
>> still have fun with it.
>>
>> Our next project will be trying to measure ease of play. We are trying
>> to
>> develop kinematic data in our motion analysis laboratory which we could
>> then use to compare improvement in ease of access after medical/surgical
>> interventions or after adapted controller changes.
>> Eugenio
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
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>> 1. Re: cerebral palsy (Roome, Thomas C)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:17:09 -0600
>> From: "Roome, Thomas C" <thomas.roome at student.utdallas.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] cerebral palsy
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>> What type of games were the kids playing? How old were the children in
>> the survey and what types of disabilities? What are the limitations of
>> the kids? How many people were survey?
>>
>> I have no doubt that kids with two good hands could play games on a Xbox,
>> but were there any kids that did not have the find motor control to work
>> controller?
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Thank You,
>> Tom Roome
>> ATEC Teacher Assistant
>> The University of Texas at Dallas
>> E-mail: thomas.roome at student.utdallas.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org on behalf of Eugene Monasterio, M.D.
>> ext6806
>> Sent: Mon 2/26/2007 7:59 AM
>> To: games_access at igda.org
>> Subject: [games_access] cerebral palsy
>>
>>
>>
>> HI
>> In regards to what children with cerebral palsy are playing it's
>> remarkable similar to the general population. I'm a pediatric
>> rehabilitation physician with a research interest in adapted access and
>> video games. We surveyed our general rehab population a year or two ago
>> and found that families own multiple consoles, kids play 5-8 hours a week
>> and very few use any adapted access for gaming. Of course this doesn't
>> mean that they wouldn't benefit from adapted access.
>>
>> Eugenio Monasterio, MD
>> Director of Outpatient Rehab
>> Children's Hospital Richmond
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org
>> [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]On Behalf Of
>> games_access-request at igda.org
>> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:36 PM
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>> Subject: games_access Digest, Vol 32, Issue 18
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>> 1. Re: Games for people with cerebral palsy (Barrie Ellis)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:36:09 -0000
>> From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Games for people with cerebral palsy
>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>> <games_access at igda.org>
>> Message-ID: <031701c7590b$d22fd190$0202a8c0 at OneSwitch>
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>>
>> Yes, Roy's changed his front-page. I've just contacted him to see what
>> his
>> intentions are. I'll host them for him if not.
>>
>> In the mean-while this still seems to work:
>> http://www.brillsoft.com/Index_files/Page396.htm
>>
>> Barrie
>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Robert Florio
>> To: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'
>> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 6:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Games for people with cerebral palsy
>>
>>
>> http://www.brillsoft.com <http://www.brillsoft.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>> This link above Barrie seems to only be video tutorials for creating
>> animation is there something else to find on that page? It sounded cool
>> but I'm not sure if I'm finding the right thing.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> www.RobertFlorio.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org
>> [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf Of Barrie Ellis
>> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 9:33 AM
>> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Games for people with cerebral palsy
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Jeanette,
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know the RJ Cooper Switch Hopper. Can you set the switch to act
>> as any keyboard key or mouse action? If not, then you are going to be a
>> bit limited in what software you can access.
>>
>>
>>
>> There's an alternative list of switch equipment here:
>> http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/1/AGS/AGS-switch.htm. Click on the PC Switch
>> Interfaces for more compatible devices that aren't too expensive.
>>
>>
>>
>> As for some nice basic cause and effect activities, try the following:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.brillsoft.com/ - Try Fab Four and Rockets (free download).
>>
>> http://www.northerngrid.org/sen/NetSwitch/index.htm - Very basic switch
>> activities, but very useful - some abstract, some a bit childish (on-line
>> or download)
>>
>>
>> http://www.priorywoods.middlesbrough.sch.uk/kidsonly/games/footy/footy.htm
>> - Football (Soccer to you) game - pure cause and effect up to scan and
>> select.
>>
>> http://www.sldonline.org/Kingsbury/Kingsbury.htm - On-line games and
>> activities - have a hunt round (free download).
>>
>> http://www.papunet.net/pelit/_tarkkuuspelit/tikka/ - Papunet - Darts
>> game
>> (on-line).
>>
>> http://www.pvoice.org/ - Pvoice - story book that you can cycle through
>> with a switch and more (free download)
>>
>> http://www.reactivecolours.org/ - one or two, one-button compatible
>> activities that could be nice.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Some of the one-switch games can work in a fun cause and effect way too.
>> Try: Atom Cruncher, Aurikon, Bombzone, Cheat 7,
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't forget that having a PC interface, you'll be able to get a switch
>> to stop/start MP3s/CD tracks run through a 'visualiser' animation. Also,
>> stop/starting MPEGs/DVD clips can be great fun. Also using a slide show
>> set-up you can get people to cycle through photos that may interest them.
>> Some of the DJ'ing software can be enormous fun, where the musician can
>> click on/off tracks to build up a song with help. Also just being able to
>> click through places of interest on the internet with a good enabler
>> helping to navigate can be fun (providing you have a quick set-up).
>> Disney's Magic Art Studio, whilst not super age-appropriate - could be a
>> lot of fun with assistance, used as a cause and effect device (press the
>> button and fill the screen with a different colour for example).
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd recommend looking into games console and computer emulators for the
>> PC. Old Atari VCS/2600 games can be great fun, such as Bowling, Air-Sea
>> Battle and Outlaw. Megadrive/Genesis games can frequently be used to
>> trigger sound effects and music with a single switch. The Atari ST had
>> some light-synthesisers (Colour Space and Trip-A-Tron) and art packages
>> that may be good fun.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd also suggest that you look at getting a Playstation One or PS2 with
>> switch interface. Take a look here for some more ideas.
>> http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/I/Playstation-PC/Iplaystation.htm - I
>> highly
>> recommend getting your hands on the 'Interactive Sound Lab' "Fluid" and
>> racing game "Destruction Derby". I do a switch interface as does RJ
>> Cooper.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>>
>>
>> Barrie
>>
>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: InRNette at aol.com
>>
>> To: games_access at igda.org
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 12:15 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Games for people with cerebral palsy
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert:
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, we have messaged before. I am one of the groups quiet members.
>> I
>> have been watching the groups progress since I joined.
>>
>>
>>
>> I use for my students to access the computer:
>>
>>
>>
>> RJ Cooper's Switch Hopper (USB interface)
>>
>> Special Education Software, Hardware and Assistive Technology
>> Products - Special Needs Children and Special Ed Learning Resou..
>>
>>
>>
>> Enable Mart Big Red Switch, Jelly Bean Switch, Finger Switches, etc.
>> (Ablenet is undergoing an update on their website)
>>
>> Enablemart - EnableMart.Com - Switch Solutions
>>
>>
>>
>> The young people that I work with are homebound because they simply
>> cannot attend either a partial day or full day program because there
>> needs
>> are best met at home or in a hospital. Currently we are trying to find a
>> means of communication for a young man who suffered a traumatic brain
>> injury in-utero (His Mom was shot for the money and tips as a pizza
>> delivery person), is a quad requiring total care for activities of daily
>> living, loves watching old TV shows, responds and smiles appropriately.
>> We
>> have worked low tech for him and we know that he is able to make choices
>> with his eyes. The teacher contacted us a couple of months ago because
>> his care giver pulled out two switches and the positioning equipment that
>> an agency had purchased and never follow through on. Not knowing what he
>> could do with these switches, we positioned them like the care giver
>> indicated then I popped into the computer just a cause and effect piece
>> of
>> software by RJ Cooper......if looks could slap m
>> e, I would have been on the ground. We moved on very rapidly to another
>> of Coopers demo downloads called "Battle of the gods" (I think) and the
>> look was replaced with completely different look that allowed me to
>> continue standing. (A battle with the gods sure beat out the frog
>> sticking
>> his tongue out to catch a fly hands down.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Your site has grown tremendously. I will be passing the link on to
>> our
>> other AT Consultants and teachers we encounter.
>>
>>
>>
>> When I say age appropriate, I need simple cause and effect software
>> that an older student would be able to use that allow them to progress
>> from the beginning to as far as they can go. Cause and effect software
>> that we have found up until now have been considered juvenile for our
>> teens hurt in an accident with cognitive awareness that surpasses their
>> ability to express themselves.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps explain what I am looking for.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeanette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:31:06 +0000
> From: Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetwynd at btinternet.com>
> Subject: [games_access] Video: "In my language" a personal
> interpretation of autism
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>
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> Video: "In my language" a personal interpretation of autism
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> http://blogs.cetis.ac.uk/accessibility/2007/02/
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> cheers
>
> Jonathan Chetwynd
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:27:13 -0500
> From: "Eugene Monasterio, M.D. ext6806" <EMonasterio at CHVA.ORG>
> Subject: [games_access] Statistics and research
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> Robert;
> We have presented our initial findings at the American Academy of Cerebral
> Palsy and Developmental Medicine, I don't think it made the abstract
> publication though. We hope to publish the larger cohort of patients when
> the study is complete. (your in good hands at Kennedy Krieger, I'm in
> Richmond, VA and send some kids up there as well)
> Our lab is a clinical motion analysis lab but we are able to commandeer it
> for some projects, we also have an assistive technology program at
> Children's hospital and in collaboration with the School of Engineering at
> Virginia Commonwealth University we have been working (mostly
> talking...and gaming). Our long term goal is to develop a commercially
> available controller, but as everyone on this list knows that is very
> difficult.
> I'm not going to GDC, I've gone to the Serious Games Summit in DC in the
> past (not this year), I'm hoping to make it to one of the meetings next
> year.
> I'm happy to share info here or in private. Having said that you are not
> very far away.
> Eugenio
>
> ________________________________
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> 1. Re: Bay Area Gamers with Disabilities (Robert Florio)
> 2. Re: Bay Area Gamers with Disabilities (Robert Florio)
> 3. Re: Bay Area Gamers with Disabilities (hinn at uiuc.edu)
> 4. Re: playing habits (Robert Florio)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:03:32 -0500
> From: "Robert Florio" <arthit73 at cablespeed.com>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Bay Area Gamers with Disabilities
> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"
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> I'd like to contact them anyway I've got a lot of experience with
> television
> interviews. I don't really know anyone with disabilities who plays games
> in
> California. Other places around the country but I don't think California.
> Would it be okay if I contacted them to see if they could use me I could
> actually play the controller QuadController set up at one of our arcades
> to
> demonstrate? That would be a huge launching ground for all of us. Who
> knows when I get my documentary complete I could even give it to them they
> might be the perfect people. Thank you so much for sharing this with us.
>
> I still can't get it to render though a friend of mine from the workforce
> technology Center in Baltimore who's paying for my education is coming
> over
> tomorrow to troubleshoot. While I have left to do is do the voice over
> and
> that I'm complete. It is one hour and 25 minutes long. Don't worry I was
> short but all good stuff Do we keep energetic keep attention I've got
> experience with that it's all fun.
>
> Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
> On Behalf Of hinn at uiuc.edu
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 3:44 PM
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Subject: [games_access] Bay Area Gamers with Disabilities
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've received a request to forward this to the list:
>
> TV Producers from KQED, the PBS station in San Francisco, are looking for
> Bay Area gamers (designers, developers and plain enthusiasts) with
> disabilities for a segment they are doing on video game accessibility. The
> segment will air on their new, weekly-airing
> science/environment/technology
> series, "Quest". The Quest production crew will be filming at the Game
> Developers Conference in San Francisco from March 5th thru March 9th, so a
> response at your earliest convenience would be greatly appreciated. Please
> contact KQED Associate Producer Sheraz Sadiq at 415-553-2856 or
> ssadiq(at)kqed.org to find out more about the project and share your
> story.
>
> The producers have been working with me on getting access to our GDC
> sessions and talking with members who are going to be at GDC but the
> producers are also interested in talking with gamers with disabilities in
> the San Francisco, California area who are not going to GDC.
>
> Michelle
> .......................................
> these are mediocre times and people are
> losing hope. it's hard for many people
> to believe that there are extraordinary
> things inside themselves, as well as
> others. i hope you can keep an open
> mind.
> -- "unbreakable"
> .......................................
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:05:53 -0500
> From: "Robert Florio" <arthit73 at cablespeed.com>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Bay Area Gamers with Disabilities
> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"
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> I forgot to mention did you know that the radio interview in my town won a
> Associated Press award in the same television interview on the same story
> was nominated for an Emmy last year. Pretty cool. A second story might
> be
> nominated also.
> Robert
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
> On Behalf Of hinn at uiuc.edu
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 3:44 PM
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Subject: [games_access] Bay Area Gamers with Disabilities
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I've received a request to forward this to the list:
>
> TV Producers from KQED, the PBS station in San Francisco, are looking for
> Bay Area gamers (designers, developers and plain enthusiasts) with
> disabilities for a segment they are doing on video game accessibility. The
> segment will air on their new, weekly-airing
> science/environment/technology
> series, "Quest". The Quest production crew will be filming at the Game
> Developers Conference in San Francisco from March 5th thru March 9th, so a
> response at your earliest convenience would be greatly appreciated. Please
> contact KQED Associate Producer Sheraz Sadiq at 415-553-2856 or
> ssadiq(at)kqed.org to find out more about the project and share your
> story.
>
> The producers have been working with me on getting access to our GDC
> sessions and talking with members who are going to be at GDC but the
> producers are also interested in talking with gamers with disabilities in
> the San Francisco, California area who are not going to GDC.
>
> Michelle
> .......................................
> these are mediocre times and people are
> losing hope. it's hard for many people
> to believe that there are extraordinary
> things inside themselves, as well as
> others. i hope you can keep an open
> mind.
> -- "unbreakable"
> .......................................
> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:13:48 -0600 (CST)
> From: <hinn at uiuc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Bay Area Gamers with Disabilities
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>
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> Yes -- actually Robert I gave them your contact info and they have already
> indicated to me that they'd like to interview you so I'm setting up times
> for all of us to meet up. They are casting a wide net so they are also
> looking for some locals to the Bay Area who might be gamers with
> disabilities.
>
> So on the 4th (Sunday) and the 5th (Monday) expect to be doing a lot of
> press interviews, everyone!
>
> On Sunday, Robert -- can we use that special level at your hotel? I'm
> asking Jason if IGDA can pick up the tab for the guests and I'm also going
> to call the hotel and ask them if they could cut us a break on the cost
> for at least one day if we promise not to eat or something. ;)
>
> Michelle
>
> ---- Original message ----
>>Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:03:32 -0500
>>From: "Robert Florio" <arthit73 at cablespeed.com>
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] Bay Area Gamers with Disabilities
>>To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
>>
>>I'd like to contact them anyway I've got a lot of experience with
>>television
>>interviews. I don't really know anyone with disabilities who plays games
>>in
>>California. Other places around the country but I don't think California.
>>Would it be okay if I contacted them to see if they could use me I could
>>actually play the controller QuadController set up at one of our arcades
>>to
>>demonstrate? That would be a huge launching ground for all of us. Who
>>knows when I get my documentary complete I could even give it to them they
>>might be the perfect people. Thank you so much for sharing this with us.
>>
>>I still can't get it to render though a friend of mine from the workforce
>>technology Center in Baltimore who's paying for my education is coming
>>over
>>tomorrow to troubleshoot. While I have left to do is do the voice over
>>and
>>that I'm complete. It is one hour and 25 minutes long. Don't worry I was
>>short but all good stuff Do we keep energetic keep attention I've got
>>experience with that it's all fun.
>>
>>Robert
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
>>On Behalf Of hinn at uiuc.edu
>>Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 3:44 PM
>>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>Subject: [games_access] Bay Area Gamers with Disabilities
>>
>>Hi everyone,
>>
>>I've received a request to forward this to the list:
>>
>>TV Producers from KQED, the PBS station in San Francisco, are looking for
>>Bay Area gamers (designers, developers and plain enthusiasts) with
>>disabilities for a segment they are doing on video game accessibility. The
>>segment will air on their new, weekly-airing
>>science/environment/technology
>>series, "Quest". The Quest production crew will be filming at the Game
>>Developers Conference in San Francisco from March 5th thru March 9th, so a
>>response at your earliest convenience would be greatly appreciated. Please
>>contact KQED Associate Producer Sheraz Sadiq at 415-553-2856 or
>>ssadiq(at)kqed.org to find out more about the project and share your
>>story.
>>
>>The producers have been working with me on getting access to our GDC
>>sessions and talking with members who are going to be at GDC but the
>>producers are also interested in talking with gamers with disabilities in
>>the San Francisco, California area who are not going to GDC.
>>
>>Michelle
>>.......................................
>>these are mediocre times and people are
>>losing hope. it's hard for many people
>>to believe that there are extraordinary
>>things inside themselves, as well as
>>others. i hope you can keep an open
>>mind.
>> -- "unbreakable"
>>.......................................
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> .......................................
> these are mediocre times and people are
> losing hope. it's hard for many people
> to believe that there are extraordinary
> things inside themselves, as well as
> others. i hope you can keep an open
> mind.
> -- "unbreakable"
> .......................................
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:15:41 -0500
> From: "Robert Florio" <arthit73 at cablespeed.com>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] playing habits
> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"
> <games_access at igda.org>
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>
> This is remarkable studies are you going to be able to make this
> information
> public or is it for a specific game project that you're working on what is
> the information going to be used for? I want to start my own research
> about
> stuff like this I attend a therapy program at Kennedy Krieger Hospital in
> Baltimore actually is ending for me when I get more time I'll have more of
> a
> stronger therapy work out. Serving people with spinal cord injuries about
> videogame. Maybe you could give me some pointers on some reasonable
> strategies to get those statistics?
>
> I mentioned you have a lab does this lab actually developed technology
> that
> you're using directly on videogame consoles or creating your own games or
> what because I think the next up coming up soon or should be happening
> already with this group is all of us actually working on a game. That's a
> goal I am praying for and working hard for. From what you mentioned I'm
> not
> surprised that most of the patients use consoles not computers. Computers
> are so much more expensive. They're more accessible with easier adaptive
> equipment at consoles are just what everyone's using its nice to just use
> what everyone else is using but can be so frustrating. Thanks.
>
> Are you going to be at the GDC San Francisco conference I will myself it
> would be good to learn from you.?
>
> Robert
> www.RobertFlorio.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
> On Behalf Of Eugene Monasterio, M.D. ext6806
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 4:05 PM
> To: games_access at igda.org
> Subject: [games_access] playing habits
>
> We surveyed 50 consecutive patients in a general rehab and multispecialty
> clinic setting, we are currently administering the same survey to a spina
> bifida population in a multisite study.
> The majority of children had cerebral palsy (we had diplegic, quadriplegic
> and hemiplegic patients), but we also had patients with spina bifida,
> muscular dystrophy, head injury, and spinal cord injuries. The vast
> majority played on standard consoles, certainly more than on the pc. The
> game choices were all over the map in regard to ESRB ratings. I would
> describe the games as typical choices within the top 25 games by sales.
> We
> tried to capture skill level but our numbers were to small in the initial
> study. (we asked whether the child could compete with peers or siblings,
> compete with parents, or couldn't compete)
>
> In this pilot we were really trying to show what we thought we knew that
> almost all kids that come through my clinic play video games, and
> virtually
> none of them use adaptive controllers. Not all children play the same way
> though, I have quadriplegic patients who will have their parents setup
> mariokart and they lay on the floor and type away at the controller, they
> don't particularly pay attention to the game goals but still have fun with
> it.
>
> Our next project will be trying to measure ease of play. We are trying to
> develop kinematic data in our motion analysis laboratory which we could
> then
> use to compare improvement in ease of access after medical/surgical
> interventions or after adapted controller changes.
> Eugenio
>
>
> ________________________________
>
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> games_access-request at igda.org
> Sent: Mon 2/26/2007 3:17 PM
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> 1. Re: cerebral palsy (Roome, Thomas C)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:17:09 -0600
> From: "Roome, Thomas C" <thomas.roome at student.utdallas.edu>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] cerebral palsy
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> What type of games were the kids playing? How old were the children in
> the
> survey and what types of disabilities? What are the limitations of the
> kids? How many people were survey?
>
> I have no doubt that kids with two good hands could play games on a Xbox,
> but were there any kids that did not have the find motor control to work
> controller?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Thank You,
> Tom Roome
> ATEC Teacher Assistant
> The University of Texas at Dallas
> E-mail: thomas.roome at student.utdallas.edu
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org on behalf of Eugene Monasterio, M.D.
> ext6806
> Sent: Mon 2/26/2007 7:59 AM
> To: games_access at igda.org
> Subject: [games_access] cerebral palsy
>
>
>
> HI
> In regards to what children with cerebral palsy are playing it's
> remarkable
> similar to the general population. I'm a pediatric rehabilitation
> physician
> with a research interest in adapted access and video games. We surveyed
> our
> general rehab population a year or two ago and found that families own
> multiple consoles, kids play 5-8 hours a week and very few use any adapted
> access for gaming. Of course this doesn't mean that they wouldn't benefit
> from adapted access.
>
> Eugenio Monasterio, MD
> Director of Outpatient Rehab
> Children's Hospital Richmond
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org
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> games_access-request at igda.org
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:36 PM
> To: games_access at igda.org
> Subject: games_access Digest, Vol 32, Issue 18
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> 1. Re: Games for people with cerebral palsy (Barrie Ellis)
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:36:09 -0000
> From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Games for people with cerebral palsy
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
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> Yes, Roy's changed his front-page. I've just contacted him to see what his
> intentions are. I'll host them for him if not.
>
> In the mean-while this still seems to work:
> http://www.brillsoft.com/Index_files/Page396.htm
>
> Barrie
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Florio
> To: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 6:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Games for people with cerebral palsy
>
>
> http://www.brillsoft.com <http://www.brillsoft.com/>
>
>
>
> This link above Barrie seems to only be video tutorials for creating
> animation is there something else to find on that page? It sounded cool
> but
> I'm not sure if I'm finding the right thing.
>
> Thanks
>
> Robert
>
> www.RobertFlorio.com
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org
> [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
> On Behalf Of Barrie Ellis
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 9:33 AM
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Games for people with cerebral palsy
>
>
>
> Hi Jeanette,
>
>
>
> I don't know the RJ Cooper Switch Hopper. Can you set the switch to act
> as
> any keyboard key or mouse action? If not, then you are going to be a bit
> limited in what software you can access.
>
>
>
> There's an alternative list of switch equipment here:
> http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/1/AGS/AGS-switch.htm. Click on the PC Switch
> Interfaces for more compatible devices that aren't too expensive.
>
>
>
> As for some nice basic cause and effect activities, try the following:
>
>
>
> http://www.brillsoft.com/ - Try Fab Four and Rockets (free download).
>
> http://www.northerngrid.org/sen/NetSwitch/index.htm - Very basic switch
> activities, but very useful - some abstract, some a bit childish (on-line
> or
> download)
>
>
> http://www.priorywoods.middlesbrough.sch.uk/kidsonly/games/footy/footy.htm
> - Football (Soccer to you) game - pure cause and effect up to scan and
> select.
>
> http://www.sldonline.org/Kingsbury/Kingsbury.htm - On-line games and
> activities - have a hunt round (free download).
>
> http://www.papunet.net/pelit/_tarkkuuspelit/tikka/ - Papunet - Darts game
> (on-line).
>
> http://www.pvoice.org/ - Pvoice - story book that you can cycle through
> with a switch and more (free download)
>
> http://www.reactivecolours.org/ - one or two, one-button compatible
> activities that could be nice.
>
>
>
>
>
> Some of the one-switch games can work in a fun cause and effect way too.
> Try: Atom Cruncher, Aurikon, Bombzone, Cheat 7,
>
>
>
> Don't forget that having a PC interface, you'll be able to get a switch
> to
> stop/start MP3s/CD tracks run through a 'visualiser' animation. Also,
> stop/starting MPEGs/DVD clips can be great fun. Also using a slide show
> set-up you can get people to cycle through photos that may interest them.
> Some of the DJ'ing software can be enormous fun, where the musician can
> click on/off tracks to build up a song with help. Also just being able to
> click through places of interest on the internet with a good enabler
> helping
> to navigate can be fun (providing you have a quick set-up). Disney's Magic
> Art Studio, whilst not super age-appropriate - could be a lot of fun with
> assistance, used as a cause and effect device (press the button and fill
> the
> screen with a different colour for example).
>
>
>
> I'd recommend looking into games console and computer emulators for the
> PC. Old Atari VCS/2600 games can be great fun, such as Bowling, Air-Sea
> Battle and Outlaw. Megadrive/Genesis games can frequently be used to
> trigger
> sound effects and music with a single switch. The Atari ST had some
> light-synthesisers (Colour Space and Trip-A-Tron) and art packages that
> may
> be good fun.
>
>
>
> I'd also suggest that you look at getting a Playstation One or PS2 with
> switch interface. Take a look here for some more ideas.
> http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/2/I/Playstation-PC/Iplaystation.htm - I highly
> recommend getting your hands on the 'Interactive Sound Lab' "Fluid" and
> racing game "Destruction Derby". I do a switch interface as does RJ
> Cooper.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
>
>
> Barrie
>
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: InRNette at aol.com
>
> To: games_access at igda.org
>
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 12:15 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Games for people with cerebral palsy
>
>
>
> Robert:
>
>
>
> Yes, we have messaged before. I am one of the groups quiet members. I
> have been watching the groups progress since I joined.
>
>
>
> I use for my students to access the computer:
>
>
>
> RJ Cooper's Switch Hopper (USB interface)
>
> Special Education Software, Hardware and Assistive Technology
> Products -
> Special Needs Children and Special Ed Learning Resou..
>
>
>
> Enable Mart Big Red Switch, Jelly Bean Switch, Finger Switches, etc.
> (Ablenet is undergoing an update on their website)
>
> Enablemart - EnableMart.Com - Switch Solutions
>
>
>
> The young people that I work with are homebound because they simply
> cannot attend either a partial day or full day program because there needs
> are best met at home or in a hospital. Currently we are trying to find a
> means of communication for a young man who suffered a traumatic brain
> injury
> in-utero (His Mom was shot for the money and tips as a pizza delivery
> person), is a quad requiring total care for activities of daily living,
> loves watching old TV shows, responds and smiles appropriately. We have
> worked low tech for him and we know that he is able to make choices with
> his
> eyes. The teacher contacted us a couple of months ago because his care
> giver pulled out two switches and the positioning equipment that an agency
> had purchased and never follow through on. Not knowing what he could do
> with
> these switches, we positioned them like the care giver indicated then I
> popped into the computer just a cause and effect piece of software by RJ
> Cooper......if looks could slap m
> e, I would have been on the ground. We moved on very rapidly to another
> of
> Coopers demo downloads called "Battle of the gods" (I think) and the look
> was replaced with completely different look that allowed me to continue
> standing. (A battle with the gods sure beat out the frog sticking his
> tongue
> out to catch a fly hands down.)
>
>
>
> Your site has grown tremendously. I will be passing the link on to our
> other AT Consultants and teachers we encounter.
>
>
>
> When I say age appropriate, I need simple cause and effect software
> that
> an older student would be able to use that allow them to progress from the
> beginning to as far as they can go. Cause and effect software that we
> have
> found up until now have been considered juvenile for our teens hurt in an
> accident with cognitive awareness that surpasses their ability to express
> themselves.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps explain what I am looking for.
>
>
>
> Jeanette
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