[games_access] Sid Meier and Barry Caudill Sit Down WithAbleGamers

d. michelle hinn hinn at uiuc.edu
Wed Jun 27 18:04:12 EDT 2007

Hi everyone,

Unfortunately I had to leave town for a few days again so I'm in
perpetual catch up. Actually Mark from AbleGamers is on this list!

Not sure yet when we can do something on the IGDA site that won't get
erased with the new web 2.0 stuff going up. But I'll check into it
for a "ok, what can we do right now" update from them. The wiki is
not going away so we can always work there and transfer things as
needed when the web stuff settles down!


>100% in agreement with you. Perhaps with the new IGDA page - a "How

>You Can Help Now!" page could be a good start with some useful

>contacts and some example letters. Perhaps a petition such as the

>Closed Caption one and then for us to contact influential groups,

>web-sites and individuals putting them our way.


>I don't know about you lot, but I think the most important thing we

>need to do to pull all our work together is to get our

>IGDA/Accessibility web-site going. We need it easy to follow and to

>have place holders for the important stuff missing. I think most

>other things need to be secondary at this time...


>I'll take a look at the WIKI when I get a chance and update a

>little, but we certainly need to be doing this as a collective. Any

>news, Michelle on us getting the go ahead for the main site?






>----- Original Message ----- From: "Reid Kimball" <reid at rbkdesign.com>

>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>

>Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:06 AM

>Subject: Re: [games_access] Sid Meier and Barry Caudill Sit Down



>>I thought the interview was great because it highlighted a big

>>information gap between the disabled and game developers. I wish we

>>could attract a larger following of disabled gamers and empower them

>>to contact developers and give them the needed info. A large community

>>of disabled gamers advocating for themselves can contact more

>>developers than we can since we are such a small group and don't have

>>the luxury of national exposure. Even if we did, it's still hard to

>>reach everyone. It wasn't until Valve software received a lot of

>>requests for the game script did they think of adding captions to

>>their game. I get the feeling sometimes, maybe I'm wrong, that when we

>>approach developers, they think we're trying to sell them something

>>and get turned off and tune out. Yet, if we could get a whole

>>community of hundreds, thousands of disabled gamers politely

>>expressing the difficulties they face playing the next Splinter Cell

>>or Ratchet and Clank game and then point the devs to our solutions, it

>>could have a positive impact.




>>On 6/25/07, Ioo <ioo at ablegamers.com> wrote:

>>>Thanks for the plug...



>>>Mark Barlet



>>>Barrie Ellis wrote:

>>>> Great interview, cribbed from AbleGamers:

>>>> http://ablegamers.com/content/view/41/63/... We should get in touch

>>>> with them too I think...


>>>> Barrie

>>>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk <http://www.OneSwitch.org.uk>


>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------


>>>> Written by Mark C. Barlet

>>>> Saturday, 26 May 2007


>>>> I have been working on getting able gamers an interview with the

>>>> legendary Sid Meier for over a year. Sending my first inquiry to

>>>> Firaxis on May 18, 2006. At the time we received a positive response,

>>>> but it seemed the activities around Railroads! caused our interview to

>>>> be derailed. So I was all excited when a little over a month ago I was

>>>> able to get the attention of the folks at Firaxis again. In short,

>>>> Ablegamers was able to get an interview from Firaxis, but Sid was to

>>>> busy for the interview. I admit I am disappointed, the views of

>>>> someone as legendary as Sid would help the plight of disabled gamers

>>>> all over the world, because when Sid talks, game developers listen. He

>>>> was able to give us an opening statement, and for that I am grateful.


>>>> That being said, Barry Caudill, Executive Producer, Firaxis Games sat

>>> > down with us. Now I admire Barry a l lot, and he and I have a lot in

>>>> common, he is a musician, as am I. He also started life as in the

>>>> Quality Assurance department, and I have been in QA for 12 years,

>>>> currently heading a QA department here in the tech corridor of

>>>> Northern Virginia. Someday I hope to have Barry's job, just don't tell

>>>> him.


>>>> I am still holding out for an interview with Sid...


>>>> Sid Meier:


>>>> Hello AbleGamers!


>>>> We're happy that Mark approached us for an interview. Its been a great

>>>> introduction to your website and the start of what we hope to be a

>>>> mutually beneficial relationship with your community. We want our

>>>> games to be played and enjoyed by as many people as possible, and

>>>> we're always looking for ways to achieve that goal. Firaxis has a very

>>>> active and vocal fan community and the thoughts, ideas and concerns we

>>>> hear from them have a big impact on the games we make. We invite you

>>>> to become part of our community and look forward to hearing from you.

>>>> Stay Civilized,


>>>> Sid Meier


>>>> *Ablegamers:* Do you take into account this large disabled segment of

>>>> the US population (comparable to other nations as well) when

>>>> developing games?


>>>> *Barry Caudill: *We do make attempts to accommodate as many people as

>>>> possible when designing our games. For example, we did include the

>>>> ability to map any key to any action when we were developing Pirates.

>>>> Mostly we work to support the predominant control systems available

>>>> (keyboard, mouse, gamepad, joystick) wherever we can so people can

>>>> choose what they want to use where it makes sense. We would be

>>>> interested in hearing more about what the disabled community needs

>>>> from our games.


>>>> *AG:* Do you think that the disabled demographic is an underutilized

>>>> market for mainstream games?


>>>> *BC:* I have no frame of reference from which to answer this question.

>>>> I think you'd be a better judge of that.


>>>> *AG:* What is Firaxis Games doing to support the people with

>>>> disabilities within the gaming community?


>>>> *BC:* There is such a wide range of disabilities which makes it

>>>> challenging to know exactly what players with disabilities need in

>>>> games. We've made some accommodations with keyboard mapping, better

>>>> user interfaces, and more graphic visuals and sound. Again, we're open

>>>> to hearing more from disabled folks in the gaming community, we want

>>>> everyone to enjoy our games


>>>> *AG:* When you take a game into beta testing, have you ever

>>>> intentionally brought people in that are disabled?


>>>> *BC:* No we haven't specifically looked for people with disabilities

>>>> for our beta testing teams. We want folks who are passionate about our

>>>> games - we don't ask questions about their physical and mental

>>>> abilities when looking for testers. Having said that, there may well

>>>> be folks with disabilities on our beta teams, they just haven't

>>>> identified themselves as such.


>>>> *AG:* I know a few that would help (*Wink*)


>>>> *BC:* We can always use more help (wink right back atcha ;) and we'd

>>>> welcome your participation.


>>>> *AG: *Simple changes to game interfaces, such as the ability to custom

>>>> map actions to the keyboard or other input devices on the market (many

>>>> for people with disabilities), or alternatives to the drag and drop

>>>> (very hard for many) could make games better gamers with disabilities

>>>> as well as those without.


>>>> Do you think it is worth a developer's time to add these features to

>>>> games?


>>>> *BC:* I think we are in favor of adding anything that helps people

>>>> play the game - provided it doesn't somehow hamper the overall

>>>> intended game experience.


>>>> *AG:* Nate, my partner in crime on AbleGamers.com, has a

>>>> motor/muscular disorder; he says the best way for a fully able bodies

>>>> person to understand what it is like to suffer from tremors or tactile

>>>> issues is to try imagining the following scenarios: That one or both

>>>> of your arms has fallen asleep, how well could you play the game? That

>>>> you are shivering from the cold, how would that affect playability?


>>>> Imagining that, would you still want to play the games you loved? If

>>> > so, how would you do it?


>>>> *BC: *I don't have a clue. It's incredibly hard for me to imagine

>>>> exactly how I would feel under such circumstances and it's equally

>>>> hard to imagine not being able to play the games I love. If Nate has

>>>> some ideas to share with us we'd like to hear them.


>>>> *AG:* Let me ask you something that has stumped me. There are 7.9

>>>> Million people in the US who have a vision-related disability, with

>>>> 1.8 million unable to see at all (according to the US Census Bureau),

>>>> do you think main-stream gaming industry could do a better job trying

>>>> to make games accessible to the visually impaired? Any ideas how?


>>>> *BC:* The mainstream gaming industry is a very visual medium so it's

>>>> definitely a challenge figuring out how to create the full game

>>>> experience for the visually impaired. I think there could be an

>>>> alternative kind of game designed around auditory clues or other forms

>>>> of sensory perception. Games like this would probably require some

>>>> form of private funding to get off the ground.


>>>> *AG:* In addition, before we go, we at AbleGamers.com want to thank

>>>> you for your time, I am sure that you are a very busy man with the

>>>> expansion to Civ4 and maybe a Railroads! expansion also being worked > on.


>>>> So my last few questions:


>>>> Has this interview made you further consider the issue of people with

>>>> disabilities and how they play video games?


>>>> *BC:* Yes it has. I'm looking forward to hearing more from the

>>>> community with ideas on how we can make our games more accessible.


>>>> *AG:* Will you factor that thought into currently developing games, or

>>>> future works?


>>>> *BC:* It will remain a part of the design discussions and we will do

>>>> our best to make accommodations where we can.


>>>> *AG:* Any final thoughts on this subject?


>>>> *BC:* Thanks for the interview and keep the feedback coming.


>>>> *AG:* What are you working on now? What can we look forward to from

>>>> such a famed game designer?


>>>> *BC:* We're working on a game that could very well be the best game

>>>> we've ever made. Stay tuned for more details soon!




>>>> Last Updated ( Saturday, 16 June 2007 )


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