From reid at rbkdesign.com  Tue May  1 11:56:32 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 08:56:32 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Reminder - Tonight, Videogames for All on PBS's Quest
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0705010856p3fac5139gae0d9b1b8377755c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Quick reminder to check your local listings for a program called Quest
at 7:30pm tonight. Tonight's episode entitled, Videogames for All will
chronicle the efforts of this very IGDA Game Accessibility SIG to
spread the word about accessibility issues for games. If the episode
is not broadcast in your area, fear not, it should posted on Quest's
website, http://www.kqed.com/quest/ soon.

-Reid


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May  1 13:23:38 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 12:23:38 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Terra Nova --- Michelle's Guest Blog Month
In-Reply-To: <a6673b8d0704301252p7695ae2xefb7c356573cae13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21e80ec20704301246p484d0f2fkb2e6d2e10ef9bc2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a6673b8d0704301252p7695ae2xefb7c356573cae13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0623096ac25d27601361@[130.126.29.36]>

Hi everyone,

I was invited by the academic blog, Terra Nova, to be a guest blogger 
for the month of May...so I intend to post every bit of info on Game 
Accessibility I can. Please email me if there's a project or topic or 
shop or resource you want me to cover. I will be posting links and 
comments on articles, resources etc. I want this to be "OUR" month!

http://www.terranova.blogs.com/

And please...participate in the discussion!

Michelle
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May  1 14:41:15 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:41:15 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Gamers with Disabilities in the LA or San Fran areas
In-Reply-To: <p0623096ac25d27601361@[130.126.29.36]>
References: <21e80ec20704301246p484d0f2fkb2e6d2e10ef9bc2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a6673b8d0704301252p7695ae2xefb7c356573cae13@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623096ac25d27601361@[130.126.29.36]>
Message-ID: <p06230903c25d39df463b@[130.126.29.9]>

Hi everyone,

I'm looking for gamers with disabilities in the LA or San Francisco 
areas for a project -- if you fit this category and/or you know 
someone who does, please let me know offlist at hinn at uiuc.edu and I 
can explain more.

Thanks!
Michelle


From reid at rbkdesign.com  Tue May  1 15:18:58 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 12:18:58 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Gamers with Disabilities in the LA or San Fran
	areas
In-Reply-To: <p06230903c25d39df463b@130.126.29.9>
References: <21e80ec20704301246p484d0f2fkb2e6d2e10ef9bc2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a6673b8d0704301252p7695ae2xefb7c356573cae13@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623096ac25d27601361@130.126.29.36>
	<p06230903c25d39df463b@130.126.29.9>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0705011218r895a892re73c1989a6e2ccfb@mail.gmail.com>

Do I count, or are you looking for physically disabled.

-Reid

On 5/1/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm looking for gamers with disabilities in the LA or San Francisco
> areas for a project -- if you fit this category and/or you know
> someone who does, please let me know offlist at hinn at uiuc.edu and I
> can explain more.
>
> Thanks!
> Michelle
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May  1 15:33:20 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 14:33:20 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Gamers with Disabilities in the LA or San Fran
 areas
In-Reply-To: <a6673b8d0705011218r895a892re73c1989a6e2ccfb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21e80ec20704301246p484d0f2fkb2e6d2e10ef9bc2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a6673b8d0704301252p7695ae2xefb7c356573cae13@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623096ac25d27601361@130.126.29.36>
	<p06230903c25d39df463b@130.126.29.9>
	<a6673b8d0705011218r895a892re73c1989a6e2ccfb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230905c25d46503076@[130.126.29.9]>

Any disability...so yes! You count! I'll send you more info offlist.

>Do I count, or are you looking for physically disabled.
>
>-Reid
>
>On 5/1/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>Hi everyone,
>>
>>I'm looking for gamers with disabilities in the LA or San Francisco
>>areas for a project -- if you fit this category and/or you know
>>someone who does, please let me know offlist at hinn at uiuc.edu and I
>>can explain more.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Michelle
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From agdev at thechases.com  Tue May  1 17:39:48 2007
From: agdev at thechases.com (Tim Chase)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 16:39:48 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Terra Nova --- Michelle's Guest Blog Month
In-Reply-To: <p0623096ac25d27601361@[130.126.29.36]>
References: <21e80ec20704301246p484d0f2fkb2e6d2e10ef9bc2e@mail.gmail.com>	<a6673b8d0704301252p7695ae2xefb7c356573cae13@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623096ac25d27601361@[130.126.29.36]>
Message-ID: <4637B3A4.6090101@thechases.com>

> I was invited by the academic blog, Terra Nova, to be a guest blogger 
> 
> http://www.terranova.blogs.com/

Hah...the video was great.  Thanks for posting it, as Quest 
wasn't on my local PBS lineup.

I had to laugh at the "Sony's X-Box 360" and "Microsoft's 
Playstation 3" quotes (right after Reid's bit about accessibility 
not being sexy...about a quarter of the way into the vid).  I bet 
Sony and Microsoft's marketers *loved* that transposition of 
ownership by the narrator.

-tim





From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Tue May  1 17:50:25 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 17:50:25 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Terra Nova --- Michelle's Guest Blog Month
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIxEdCYA
References: <21e80ec20704301246p484d0f2fkb2e6d2e10ef9bc2e@mail.gmail.com><a6673b8d0704301252p7695ae2xefb7c356573cae13@mail.gmail.com>
	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIxEdCYA
Message-ID: <024f01c78c3a$bbf62110$6401a8c0@Inspiron>

During your blogs would be great if you could stir up some interest for the
top-secret game.  I'm really struggling to get a lot of support from this
group.  It's a real potential success story.  For our campaign.

 

Robert

 

  _____  

From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 1:24 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: [games_access] Terra Nova --- Michelle's Guest Blog Month

 

Hi everyone,

 

I was invited by the academic blog, Terra Nova, to be a guest blogger for
the month of May...so I intend to post every bit of info on Game
Accessibility I can. Please email me if there's a project or topic or shop
or resource you want me to cover. I will be posting links and comments on
articles, resources etc. I want this to be "OUR" month!

 

http://www.terranova.blogs.com/

 

And please...participate in the discussion!

 

Michelle

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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May  1 17:51:47 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 16:51:47 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Terra Nova --- Michelle's Guest Blog Month
In-Reply-To: <4637B3A4.6090101@thechases.com>
References: <21e80ec20704301246p484d0f2fkb2e6d2e10ef9bc2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a6673b8d0704301252p7695ae2xefb7c356573cae13@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623096ac25d27601361@[130.126.29.36]>
	<4637B3A4.6090101@thechases.com>
Message-ID: <p06230909c25d6623a5f3@[130.126.29.9]>

>>I was invited by the academic blog, Terra Nova, to be a guest blogger
>>http://www.terranova.blogs.com/
>
>Hah...the video was great.  Thanks for posting it, as Quest wasn't 
>on my local PBS lineup.
>
>I had to laugh at the "Sony's X-Box 360" and "Microsoft's 
>Playstation 3" quotes (right after Reid's bit about accessibility 
>not being sexy...about a quarter of the way into the vid).  I bet 
>Sony and Microsoft's marketers *loved* that transposition of 
>ownership by the narrator.

Yeah...they might have wanted to run by their text by us before it 
aired...ah well! I guess you can't learn the manufacturers by simply 
being at the GDC. :)

And please everyone -- post comments galore on Terra Nova -- I'll 
"re-air" comments with additional commentary on the blog as posts 
when it makes sense to do so (like Reid's latest comments for 
instance). This is OUR month!

And to all those who have just joined the mailing list in the last 
few hours -- Welcome! Don't be shy -- introduce yourselves! :)

Michelle


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May  1 17:53:21 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 16:53:21 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Terra Nova --- Michelle's Guest Blog Month
In-Reply-To: <024f01c78c3a$bbf62110$6401a8c0@Inspiron>
References: <21e80ec20704301246p484d0f2fkb2e6d2e10ef9bc2e@mail.gmail.com><a6673b8d0704
	301252p7695ae2xefb7c356573cae13@mail.gmail.com>
	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIxEdCYA
	<024f01c78c3a$bbf62110$6401a8c0@Inspiron>
Message-ID: <p0623090ac25d673ce7bd@[130.126.29.9]>

Will do!

>During your blogs would be great if you could stir up some interest 
>for the top-secret game.  I'm really struggling to get a lot of 
>support from this group.  It's a real potential success story.  For 
>our campaign.
>
>Robert
>
>
>From: games_access-bounces at igda.org 
>[mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn
>Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 1:24 PM
>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>Subject: [games_access] Terra Nova --- Michelle's Guest Blog Month
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I was invited by the academic blog, Terra Nova, to be a guest 
>blogger for the month of May...so I intend to post every bit of info 
>on Game Accessibility I can. Please email me if there's a project or 
>topic or shop or resource you want me to cover. I will be posting 
>links and comments on articles, resources etc. I want this to be 
>"OUR" month!
>
>http://www.terranova.blogs.com/
>
>And please...participate in the discussion!
>
>Michelle
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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From agdev at thechases.com  Tue May  1 20:21:46 2007
From: agdev at thechases.com (Tim Chase)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 19:21:46 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Ernest Adams on Accessibility
Message-ID: <4637D99A.802@thechases.com>

Nice article by Adams, railing on the inability in many action
games to change the speed/difficulty to a playable setting.
Gives some props to the Accessibility Idol crew at GDC

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20070501/adams_01.shtml

And his airship game sounds kinda cool.  While voice-recognition
is already hard enough with one voice, it would be crazy cool to
have such a game with a projector and several mics, so you and
the kids could "man" various battle-stations on the same
zeppelin, everybody yelling crazy commands...

-tim





From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed May  2 00:11:18 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 23:11:18 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Reminder - Tonight,
 Videogames for All on PBS's Quest
In-Reply-To: <a6673b8d0705010856p3fac5139gae0d9b1b8377755c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6673b8d0705010856p3fac5139gae0d9b1b8377755c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0623090ec25dbda02772@[130.126.29.9]>

I must admit that it was a little annoying that they had three hours 
of interview footage with me the day of and right before the Idol 
session that never appeared. It's fine that they left me on the 
cutting room floor but I really do feel like our Idol session was 
rather sabotaged when we could have better been spending that time 
making sure we have more butts in the seats (I was supposed to run 
over to Eric Z's competition and make an announcement) and 
re-organizing the session because Robert had to go home. I 
know...we've talked about this before. No reason to rehash the 
coulda/woulda/shoulda but as I think we all agree on...their presense 
was a major disruption many times and they went back on their word to 
leave us along three hours before Idol.

And what happened to the 12 hours of footage of all of us eating? ;) 
That was some class act stuff! Hehehe.

Besides that...the Sony/Microsoft mix up was very poor form. They 
fact checked so much else but that was an easy one.

Are there any other issues on the story the people have something to 
add? I'd like to suggest that they run a follow up in a letter I'm 
planning on sending them thanking them for giving light to the issue 
but also pointing out the errors like Sony/Microsoft that they may 
wish to edit.

Thanks,
Michelle

>Hi everyone,
>
>Quick reminder to check your local listings for a program called Quest
>at 7:30pm tonight. Tonight's episode entitled, Videogames for All will
>chronicle the efforts of this very IGDA Game Accessibility SIG to
>spread the word about accessibility issues for games. If the episode
>is not broadcast in your area, fear not, it should posted on Quest's
>website, http://www.kqed.com/quest/ soon.
>
>-Reid
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From reid at rbkdesign.com  Wed May  2 00:23:23 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 21:23:23 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Reminder - Tonight,
	Videogames for All on PBS's Quest
In-Reply-To: <p0623090ec25dbda02772@130.126.29.9>
References: <a6673b8d0705010856p3fac5139gae0d9b1b8377755c@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623090ec25dbda02772@130.126.29.9>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0705012123x5c5c083ci6c9be38800df557b@mail.gmail.com>

PBS already knows about the mix up in "Sony XBox 360" and such.

http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/2007/05/01/video-games-access-for-all/#comment-1605

-Reid

On 5/1/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> I must admit that it was a little annoying that they had three hours
> of interview footage with me the day of and right before the Idol
> session that never appeared. It's fine that they left me on the
> cutting room floor but I really do feel like our Idol session was
> rather sabotaged when we could have better been spending that time
> making sure we have more butts in the seats (I was supposed to run
> over to Eric Z's competition and make an announcement) and
> re-organizing the session because Robert had to go home. I
> know...we've talked about this before. No reason to rehash the
> coulda/woulda/shoulda but as I think we all agree on...their presense
> was a major disruption many times and they went back on their word to
> leave us along three hours before Idol.
>
> And what happened to the 12 hours of footage of all of us eating? ;)
> That was some class act stuff! Hehehe.
>
> Besides that...the Sony/Microsoft mix up was very poor form. They
> fact checked so much else but that was an easy one.
>
> Are there any other issues on the story the people have something to
> add? I'd like to suggest that they run a follow up in a letter I'm
> planning on sending them thanking them for giving light to the issue
> but also pointing out the errors like Sony/Microsoft that they may
> wish to edit.
>
> Thanks,
> Michelle
>
> >Hi everyone,
> >
> >Quick reminder to check your local listings for a program called Quest
> >at 7:30pm tonight. Tonight's episode entitled, Videogames for All will
> >chronicle the efforts of this very IGDA Game Accessibility SIG to
> >spread the word about accessibility issues for games. If the episode
> >is not broadcast in your area, fear not, it should posted on Quest's
> >website, http://www.kqed.com/quest/ soon.
> >
> >-Reid
> >_______________________________________________
> >games_access mailing list
> >games_access at igda.org
> >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed May  2 00:33:47 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 23:33:47 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Reminder - Tonight,
 Videogames for All on PBS's Quest
In-Reply-To: <a6673b8d0705012123x5c5c083ci6c9be38800df557b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6673b8d0705010856p3fac5139gae0d9b1b8377755c@mail.gmail.com>
	<p0623090ec25dbda02772@130.126.29.9>
	<a6673b8d0705012123x5c5c083ci6c9be38800df557b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230910c25dc4e8dc39@[130.126.29.9]>

Ah ok, cool. They probably got a few phone calls about that one!! :)

>PBS already knows about the mix up in "Sony XBox 360" and such.
>
>http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/2007/05/01/video-games-access-for-all/#comment-1605
>
>-Reid
>
>On 5/1/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>I must admit that it was a little annoying that they had three hours
>>of interview footage with me the day of and right before the Idol
>>session that never appeared. It's fine that they left me on the
>>cutting room floor but I really do feel like our Idol session was
>>rather sabotaged when we could have better been spending that time
>>making sure we have more butts in the seats (I was supposed to run
>>over to Eric Z's competition and make an announcement) and
>>re-organizing the session because Robert had to go home. I
>>know...we've talked about this before. No reason to rehash the
>>coulda/woulda/shoulda but as I think we all agree on...their presense
>>was a major disruption many times and they went back on their word to
>>leave us along three hours before Idol.
>>
>>And what happened to the 12 hours of footage of all of us eating? ;)
>>That was some class act stuff! Hehehe.
>>
>>Besides that...the Sony/Microsoft mix up was very poor form. They
>>fact checked so much else but that was an easy one.
>>
>>Are there any other issues on the story the people have something to
>>add? I'd like to suggest that they run a follow up in a letter I'm
>>planning on sending them thanking them for giving light to the issue
>>but also pointing out the errors like Sony/Microsoft that they may
>>wish to edit.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Michelle
>>
>>>Hi everyone,
>>>
>>>Quick reminder to check your local listings for a program called Quest
>>>at 7:30pm tonight. Tonight's episode entitled, Videogames for All will
>>>chronicle the efforts of this very IGDA Game Accessibility SIG to
>>>spread the word about accessibility issues for games. If the episode
>>>is not broadcast in your area, fear not, it should posted on Quest's
>>>website, http://www.kqed.com/quest/ soon.
>>>
>>>-Reid
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From no1cwbyfan at cox.net  Wed May  2 01:45:54 2007
From: no1cwbyfan at cox.net (Jason Price)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 00:45:54 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Reminder - Tonight,
	Videogames for All on PBS's Quest
In-Reply-To: <a6673b8d0705012123x5c5c083ci6c9be38800df557b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070502054602.NLJO12193.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net>

Great job Reid and Michelle!

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Reid Kimball
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:23 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] Reminder - Tonight,Videogames for All on PBS's
Quest

PBS already knows about the mix up in "Sony XBox 360" and such.

http://www.kqed.org/quest/blog/2007/05/01/video-games-access-for-all/#commen
t-1605

-Reid

On 5/1/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> I must admit that it was a little annoying that they had three hours
> of interview footage with me the day of and right before the Idol
> session that never appeared. It's fine that they left me on the
> cutting room floor but I really do feel like our Idol session was
> rather sabotaged when we could have better been spending that time
> making sure we have more butts in the seats (I was supposed to run
> over to Eric Z's competition and make an announcement) and
> re-organizing the session because Robert had to go home. I
> know...we've talked about this before. No reason to rehash the
> coulda/woulda/shoulda but as I think we all agree on...their presense
> was a major disruption many times and they went back on their word to
> leave us along three hours before Idol.
>
> And what happened to the 12 hours of footage of all of us eating? ;)
> That was some class act stuff! Hehehe.
>
> Besides that...the Sony/Microsoft mix up was very poor form. They
> fact checked so much else but that was an easy one.
>
> Are there any other issues on the story the people have something to
> add? I'd like to suggest that they run a follow up in a letter I'm
> planning on sending them thanking them for giving light to the issue
> but also pointing out the errors like Sony/Microsoft that they may
> wish to edit.
>
> Thanks,
> Michelle
>
> >Hi everyone,
> >
> >Quick reminder to check your local listings for a program called Quest
> >at 7:30pm tonight. Tonight's episode entitled, Videogames for All will
> >chronicle the efforts of this very IGDA Game Accessibility SIG to
> >spread the word about accessibility issues for games. If the episode
> >is not broadcast in your area, fear not, it should posted on Quest's
> >website, http://www.kqed.com/quest/ soon.
> >
> >-Reid
> >_______________________________________________
> >games_access mailing list
> >games_access at igda.org
> >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Wed May  2 13:01:08 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:01:08 +0100
Subject: [games_access] KQED Video on Game Accessibility
Message-ID: <04ce01c78cdb$7b342590$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Slowly catching up with things. I really enjoyed the video from KQED.

http://www.kqed.org/quest/television/view/276

I think they got a lot of important points across. Reid, you came over particularly eloquently in the video - fine work. Really enjoyed watching the father and son using hacked up controllers made accessible. I think they did a pretty good job as it goes. It was nice seeing some of the controllers I supplied on show too. I guess you wisely kept the rather heavy switch adapted Namco Arcade Stick at home? I'd love to see more of the footage of the "Accessibility Idol" show - especially after reading up on Ernest Adams great related article:

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20070501/adams_01.shtml

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk

p.s. - I've not forgotten you Robert. Your project is an exciting one - just need proper time to spare to offer some more thoughts. Keep plugging away, fella-man!
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed May  2 13:17:01 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:17:01 -0500
Subject: [games_access] KQED Video on Game Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <04ce01c78cdb$7b342590$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
References: <04ce01c78cdb$7b342590$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <p06230917c25e7685d6a0@[130.126.29.9]>

Hey everyone --

Just in case people got confused -- I wanted to write the station a 
letter to thank them for doing the story (and point out the 
Sony/Microsoft snafu...which they already know about). I didn't mean 
that I was going to write an angry letter -- there's nothing to be 
angry about (ok, except the filming us eating...that was just plain 
weird!). :)

So I'll include your comments in the letter so send your reactions! 
I'm hoping they might be willing to do a follow up, perhaps at GDC 
2008?

Actually I had all the stuff you sent but they were particularly 
interested in the quad controller. It would have been interesting to 
show the brainfingers device to but they really just had 10 minutes. 
So if our dream of getting onto the expo floor becomes a reality for 
2008, we could really show some cool stuff.

It's also great to see Ernest really getting into accessibility -- 
that's just plain cool!

Michelle

>Slowly catching up with things. I really enjoyed the video from KQED.
>
><http://www.kqed.org/quest/television/view/276>http://www.kqed.org/quest/television/view/276
>
>I think they got a lot of important points across. Reid, you came 
>over particularly eloquently in the video - fine work. Really 
>enjoyed watching the father and son using hacked up controllers made 
>accessible. I think they did a pretty good job as it goes. It was 
>nice seeing some of the controllers I supplied on show too. I guess 
>you wisely kept the rather heavy switch adapted Namco Arcade Stick 
>at home? I'd love to see more of the footage of the "Accessibility 
>Idol" show - especially after reading up on Ernest Adams great 
>related article:
>
><http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20070501/adams_01.shtml>http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20070501/adams_01.shtml
>
>Barrie
><http://www.OneSwitch.org.uk>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>p.s. - I've not forgotten you Robert. Your project is an exciting 
>one - just need proper time to spare to offer some more thoughts. 
>Keep plugging away, fella-man!
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed May  2 13:21:30 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:21:30 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Gamers with Disabilities in California
In-Reply-To: <04ce01c78cdb$7b342590$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
References: <04ce01c78cdb$7b342590$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <p06230918c25e780e32da@[130.126.29.9]>

Hi all,

I sent out a message asking people in the LA and San Fran areas who 
are gamers with disabilities to send me an email off list, It's for a 
film by a Sundance award-winning director on gamers (including gamers 
with disabilities and games for rehab and games for exercise) It's to 
show the psychological benefits of games and they have the budget to 
travel all over California now so if you live ANYWHERE in California, 
let me know!

Also -- anyone working at a children's hospital or VA clinic in 
California? Drop me a line!

Thanks,
Michelle
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Wed May  2 16:22:08 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 21:22:08 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Blog host for a month...
Message-ID: <053a01c78cf7$8f540f10$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Great news re: http://www.terranova.blogs.com/ and getting a month to blog, Michelle.

I recon you must post on Game Over! pretty soon, and Terrestrial Invaders - make mention of the GASIG members one by one perhaps and their on-line presence as best you can. Perhaps mention the Accessible Gaming Shop I am building, that links to many providers of accessible gear. Mention Namco's Rehabilitainment, U CAN DO and so on...

Have fun!

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Thu May  3 02:53:06 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:53:06 +0100
Subject: [games_access] "Special Effect" (previously Game On!) ready to
	roll....
Message-ID: <058801c78d4f$b5c492c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

http://www.specialeffect.org.uk/

"SpecialEffect is a charitable organisation dedicated to helping ALL young people with disabilities to enjoy computer games. For these children, the majority of computer games are simply too quick or too difficult to play, and we can help them and their parents to find out which games they CAN play, and how to adapt those games that they can't.
Over the last three years we've been gathering information for the SpecialEffect GameBase about a huge range of computer games and leisure software. We've been finding out if and how each game can be played using access technology like switches, headpointers and adapted keyboards. Success with using this technology for games and leisure can lead to huge gains in self-confidence and motivation. Perhaps most importantly of all, it can provide a way for young people with disabilities to socialise and compete with others on a level playing field.

For more information about SpecialEffect, email info at specialeffect.org.uk or contact us by telephone on 01608 811909 or 0791 807 7177."



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From gramenos at ics.forth.gr  Thu May  3 11:16:56 2007
From: gramenos at ics.forth.gr (Dimitris Grammenos)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:16:56 +0300
Subject: [games_access] Terrestrial Invaders: New Version
Message-ID: <20070503151558.951558E40FC@mailhost.ics.forth.gr>

Hello all,

After receiving some very good comments by Barrie, I made some modifications
to Terrestrial Invaders. In this context, I also added a new level called
"Adjustable Difficulty". In this level several difficulty adjustment
facilities are offered, such as:

1. Adjustable overall game speed.
2. Adjustable emenies speed (you can even stop them from moving).
3. Adjustable size of the player's bombs.
4. Cheats. At a press of a button you can: get an extra life, destroy a
random enemy, activate the shield.

You can download the new version from:
http://www.ics.forth.gr/hci/ua-games/ti/downloads.html


I would be obliged if you could also spare 5 mins to fill-in the feedback
form:
http://www.ics.forth.gr/hci/ua-games/ti/feedback.html



Thanks!

Dimitris





From reid at rbkdesign.com  Thu May  3 13:53:50 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:53:50 -0700
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0705031053x387c2663v6b9d4ebc50f6a0c@mail.gmail.com>

Kotaku posted the Quest video on their site
http://kotaku.com/gaming/games-for-all/clip-making-games-more-accessible-256981.php

One comment from a poster:
"The problem is that it's not cost effective to tweak and add special
options and controls for disabled gamers. The amount of time, effort,
and money it takes to add all that doesn't produce a financial reward
in the end for the company who makes the game because disabled gamers
aren't exactly a sizeable demographic."

I see this point made over and over again and no one knows the truth.
We really need to find out the truth. I'm hopeful the facts will
reveal that in fact it will be very cost effective for developers.

Dimitris, do you have any data on how much it cost you to add all the
accessible for Terrestrial Invaders vs. how much the game would have
cost if you left them out?

Does anyone have any good research skills? I've tried before to find a
recent statistic on how many disabled people there are in the US,
Europe, Asia, and so on. Ideally we'd have the following stats,

in each territory US, UK, Europe, Asia, etc
# of disabled blind
# of disabled deaf/hard of hearing
# of people with any mobility issues, from arthritis to quadriplegia
# of cognitive disabled

# of male populations that play games
# of female populations that play games

Age groups of people that play games

Any more categories? I'm hoping with all the data we can piece things
together and say something equivalent to, "we know that 30% of the
male population between the ages of 16 and 33 in the US, which is
25,000,000 mil, of those 10% are blind, 25% have some type of hearing
disability and shockingly 35% have mobility impairments. Then we can
break it down into actual estimated numbers. We really need some way
to combat these assumptions that there isn't a market and it's not
cost productive.

I spent zero money developing Doom3[CC]. It only took time on nights
and weekends while I worked a full time job. It has been downloaded
over 19,000 times since release. If I had charged $5 dollars for it I
could have profited $95,000 dollars. That's a one year salary for a
talented programmer in some parts of the US, who could make huge
impacts at a company.

-Reid


From brannonz at microsoft.com  Thu May  3 15:04:44 2007
From: brannonz at microsoft.com (Brannon Zahand)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:04:44 -0700
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
In-Reply-To: <a6673b8d0705031053x387c2663v6b9d4ebc50f6a0c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6673b8d0705031053x387c2663v6b9d4ebc50f6a0c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50208B88C11B2B4D99192C522959AB8B12BE4E5922@NA-EXMSG-C113.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/edi/disabilitystatistics/index.cfm

I just discovered this yesterday. It is incredible!

As for discussing costs of implementing features, it's hard to come up with exact numbers. However, I've been using a few arguments when people give me the "It's Not Cost Effective" speech...

1) If planned on early enough, the amount of work it takes to add basic accessibility features (such as CC, customizable controls, ability to control text size, etc.) is relatively minimal.
2) For larger publishers, this code can often be written once and then reused in other titles with minimal effort.
3) Below is a quote from a research report Microsoft commissioned. You can make the case that this applies to games on the PC and that it is highly probably that it applies to console games as well...

"The study also determined that the use of accessibility features was not restricted to people with disabilities. Among computer users who use built-in accessibility options and utilities: 32% have no disability or impairment." -A Research Report Commissioned by Microsoft Corporation and Conducted by Forrester Research, Inc., in 2004

-Brannon


-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf Of Reid Kimball
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:54 AM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later

Kotaku posted the Quest video on their site
http://kotaku.com/gaming/games-for-all/clip-making-games-more-accessible-256981.php

One comment from a poster:
"The problem is that it's not cost effective to tweak and add special
options and controls for disabled gamers. The amount of time, effort,
and money it takes to add all that doesn't produce a financial reward
in the end for the company who makes the game because disabled gamers
aren't exactly a sizeable demographic."

I see this point made over and over again and no one knows the truth.
We really need to find out the truth. I'm hopeful the facts will
reveal that in fact it will be very cost effective for developers.

Dimitris, do you have any data on how much it cost you to add all the
accessible for Terrestrial Invaders vs. how much the game would have
cost if you left them out?

Does anyone have any good research skills? I've tried before to find a
recent statistic on how many disabled people there are in the US,
Europe, Asia, and so on. Ideally we'd have the following stats,

in each territory US, UK, Europe, Asia, etc
# of disabled blind
# of disabled deaf/hard of hearing
# of people with any mobility issues, from arthritis to quadriplegia
# of cognitive disabled

# of male populations that play games
# of female populations that play games

Age groups of people that play games

Any more categories? I'm hoping with all the data we can piece things
together and say something equivalent to, "we know that 30% of the
male population between the ages of 16 and 33 in the US, which is
25,000,000 mil, of those 10% are blind, 25% have some type of hearing
disability and shockingly 35% have mobility impairments. Then we can
break it down into actual estimated numbers. We really need some way
to combat these assumptions that there isn't a market and it's not
cost productive.

I spent zero money developing Doom3[CC]. It only took time on nights
and weekends while I worked a full time job. It has been downloaded
over 19,000 times since release. If I had charged $5 dollars for it I
could have profited $95,000 dollars. That's a one year salary for a
talented programmer in some parts of the US, who could make huge
impacts at a company.

-Reid
_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access


From thomas at pininteractive.com  Thu May  3 15:13:53 2007
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 21:13:53 +0200
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
In-Reply-To: <a6673b8d0705031053x387c2663v6b9d4ebc50f6a0c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a6673b8d0705031053x387c2663v6b9d4ebc50f6a0c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FFA6B87-AD43-42B9-8D72-D9364F4440E2@pininteractive.com>

Hi Reid,

there is an overview of statistics in our first white paper from 2004

here is a quote from the white paper (page 10-11):


Scope of the Problem
Having seen some of the categories of people in need of accessible  
games, the next question is ?how widespread is the problem?? Are we  
talking about a large number of people?

Statistics

Fortunately, there are statistics available from a variety of sources  
on the number of people with disabilities. Based on the US Census  
Bureau?s data [10] from 1997 for people 15 years old or older, the  
following results were seen:

Level of Disability

Category
Number
Percentage
No disability
160,124,000
77.0
Severe disability
30,714,000
14.8
Not severe disability
17,221,000
8.2
Total population
208,059,000
100.0

77% of the people considered themselves to not be disabled. Of the  
remaining amount, this means that almost 48,000,000 people in the  
United States consider themselves disabled.

Types of Disability

The following table shows a breakdown of the disability types
10 IGDA Game Accessibility SIG igda.org/accessibility

Type
Number
Percentage
Visual ? Severe
1,768,000
0.8
Visual ? Not severe
5,904,000
2.8
Auditory ? Severe
832,000
0.4
Auditory ? Not severe
7,134,000
3.4
Mobility ? Severe
14,698,000
7.1
Mobility ? Not severe
10,441,000
5.0
Learning disability
3,451,000
1.7
Other mental disability
(dementia, mental retardation, other unspecified)
6,657,000
3.2
Other disabilities
(Speech)
2,270,000
1.1
Total
53,155,000

Note that the total is larger than expected since some people fall  
under multiple categories and will be counted for each on them.
Based on the above table, it?s clear the group with mobility issues  
is the largest, followed by auditory, visual and learning  
disabilities. The other point is the size of the group that could  
have potential accessibility issues with games.
In addition to the data cited above, there are a variety of studies  
compiled by the United Nations that can be accessed at http:// 
unstats.un.org/unsd/disability/. Based on the data provided, it  
appears that between 10% and 20% of the people in a country can be  
considered disabled. Information from the W3C [11] seems to confirm  
this conclusion. In Sweden for instance, two sources say 20 percent  
of the working population (16 to 64 years old) have a disability or  
limiting condition. A third source say 10 percent of the total  
population are disabled.[14] Sweden has a population of 9 million  
people.



__________________________________
Thomas Westin
VD / CEO

Pin Interactive AB
:: Digital Culture Analysis :: Tools :: Worlds
__________________________________
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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Thu May  3 15:16:42 2007
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 21:16:42 +0200
Subject: [games_access] "Special Effect" (previously Game On!) ready
	toroll....
In-Reply-To: <058801c78d4f$b5c492c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
References: <058801c78d4f$b5c492c0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <69E333F5-B1C5-406D-8876-BEE02338B55C@pininteractive.com>

wow, great find!
/thomas

3 maj 2007 kl. 08.53 skrev Barrie Ellis:

> http://www.specialeffect.org.uk/
>
> "SpecialEffect is a charitable organisation dedicated to helping  
> ALL young people with disabilities to enjoy computer games. For  
> these children, the majority of computer games are simply too quick  
> or too difficult to play, and we can help them and their parents to  
> find out which games they CAN play, and how to adapt those games  
> that they can't.
> Over the last three years we?ve been gathering information for the  
> SpecialEffect GameBase about a huge range of computer games and  
> leisure software. We've been finding out if and how each game can  
> be played using access technology like switches, headpointers and  
> adapted keyboards. Success with using this technology for games and  
> leisure can lead to huge gains in self-confidence and motivation.  
> Perhaps most importantly of all, it can provide a way for young  
> people with disabilities to socialise and compete with others on a  
> level playing field.
>
> For more information about SpecialEffect, email  
> info at specialeffect.org.uk or contact us by telephone on 01608  
> 811909 or 0791 807 7177."
>
>
> Barrie - www.oneswitch.org.uk
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

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Pin Interactive AB
:: Digital Culture Analysis :: Tools :: Worlds
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri May  4 01:29:40 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Fri,  4 May 2007 00:29:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
Message-ID: <20070504002940.APH81292@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

Let me ping my mentee from this year's GDC -- her fiancee works for the US Census and might be able to get us more pinpointed stats that are more specific than the 16-64 year old range! He's also a statistician, which is what we need. I'm a qualitative researcher...I'm a "words" person ;)

Michelle

---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:53:50 -0700
>From: "Reid Kimball" <reid at rbkdesign.com>  
>Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later  
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>
>Kotaku posted the Quest video on their site
>http://kotaku.com/gaming/games-for-all/clip-making-games-more-accessible-256981.php
>
>One comment from a poster:
>"The problem is that it's not cost effective to tweak and add special
>options and controls for disabled gamers. The amount of time, effort,
>and money it takes to add all that doesn't produce a financial reward
>in the end for the company who makes the game because disabled gamers
>aren't exactly a sizeable demographic."
>
>I see this point made over and over again and no one knows the truth.
>We really need to find out the truth. I'm hopeful the facts will
>reveal that in fact it will be very cost effective for developers.
>
>Dimitris, do you have any data on how much it cost you to add all the
>accessible for Terrestrial Invaders vs. how much the game would have
>cost if you left them out?
>
>Does anyone have any good research skills? I've tried before to find a
>recent statistic on how many disabled people there are in the US,
>Europe, Asia, and so on. Ideally we'd have the following stats,
>
>in each territory US, UK, Europe, Asia, etc
># of disabled blind
># of disabled deaf/hard of hearing
># of people with any mobility issues, from arthritis to quadriplegia
># of cognitive disabled
>
># of male populations that play games
># of female populations that play games
>
>Age groups of people that play games
>
>Any more categories? I'm hoping with all the data we can piece things
>together and say something equivalent to, "we know that 30% of the
>male population between the ages of 16 and 33 in the US, which is
>25,000,000 mil, of those 10% are blind, 25% have some type of hearing
>disability and shockingly 35% have mobility impairments. Then we can
>break it down into actual estimated numbers. We really need some way
>to combat these assumptions that there isn't a market and it's not
>cost productive.
>
>I spent zero money developing Doom3[CC]. It only took time on nights
>and weekends while I worked a full time job. It has been downloaded
>over 19,000 times since release. If I had charged $5 dollars for it I
>could have profited $95,000 dollars. That's a one year salary for a
>talented programmer in some parts of the US, who could make huge
>impacts at a company.
>
>-Reid
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
.......................................
these are mediocre times and people are 
losing hope. it's hard for many people 
to believe that there are extraordinary 
things inside themselves, as well as 
others. i hope you can keep an open 
mind.
 -- "unbreakable"
.......................................


From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Fri May  4 09:33:21 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 14:33:21 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Japanese assistive technology
Message-ID: <068001c78e50$c8fcff60$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

Interesting blog post on Playstation controllers being used as assistive technology with kids on PCs in Japan:

http://teachinglearnerswithmultipleneeds.blogspot.com/2007/03/ataac-mini-fieldtrip-to-japan.html

http://www.yamagata-net.jp/usr/shinichi/assistive/paged/A0018.html

http://switchgaming.blogspot.com/2007/05/bandai-kidsstation.html

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk
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From reid at rbkdesign.com  Fri May  4 10:19:40 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 07:19:40 -0700
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
In-Reply-To: <20070504002940.APH81292@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>
References: <20070504002940.APH81292@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0705040719v71d06b5arc31b8c6b6f77abba@mail.gmail.com>

Great, because looking over the stats Thomas posted, I'm afraid those
are out dated by now? I don't know, but I'd like us to investigate if
we need to update our figures. Then we need to come up with some
"talking points" so that we can effectively debate the issue and back
up our claims with the correct stats. Maybe write an article talking
about the stats. Most of our articles I think have mostly been using
the emotional approach. Not that the emotional/moral approach isn't
working, I think it is, but it doesn't work for everyone we talk to
and we'll need stats to convince those other people.

-Reid

On 5/3/07, hinn at uiuc.edu <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> Let me ping my mentee from this year's GDC -- her fiancee works for the US Census and might be able to get us more pinpointed stats that are more specific than the 16-64 year old range! He's also a statistician, which is what we need. I'm a qualitative researcher...I'm a "words" person ;)
>
> Michelle
>
> ---- Original message ----
> >Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:53:50 -0700
> >From: "Reid Kimball" <reid at rbkdesign.com>
> >Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
> >To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> >
> >Kotaku posted the Quest video on their site
> >http://kotaku.com/gaming/games-for-all/clip-making-games-more-accessible-256981.php
> >
> >One comment from a poster:
> >"The problem is that it's not cost effective to tweak and add special
> >options and controls for disabled gamers. The amount of time, effort,
> >and money it takes to add all that doesn't produce a financial reward
> >in the end for the company who makes the game because disabled gamers
> >aren't exactly a sizeable demographic."
> >
> >I see this point made over and over again and no one knows the truth.
> >We really need to find out the truth. I'm hopeful the facts will
> >reveal that in fact it will be very cost effective for developers.
> >
> >Dimitris, do you have any data on how much it cost you to add all the
> >accessible for Terrestrial Invaders vs. how much the game would have
> >cost if you left them out?
> >
> >Does anyone have any good research skills? I've tried before to find a
> >recent statistic on how many disabled people there are in the US,
> >Europe, Asia, and so on. Ideally we'd have the following stats,
> >
> >in each territory US, UK, Europe, Asia, etc
> ># of disabled blind
> ># of disabled deaf/hard of hearing
> ># of people with any mobility issues, from arthritis to quadriplegia
> ># of cognitive disabled
> >
> ># of male populations that play games
> ># of female populations that play games
> >
> >Age groups of people that play games
> >
> >Any more categories? I'm hoping with all the data we can piece things
> >together and say something equivalent to, "we know that 30% of the
> >male population between the ages of 16 and 33 in the US, which is
> >25,000,000 mil, of those 10% are blind, 25% have some type of hearing
> >disability and shockingly 35% have mobility impairments. Then we can
> >break it down into actual estimated numbers. We really need some way
> >to combat these assumptions that there isn't a market and it's not
> >cost productive.
> >
> >I spent zero money developing Doom3[CC]. It only took time on nights
> >and weekends while I worked a full time job. It has been downloaded
> >over 19,000 times since release. If I had charged $5 dollars for it I
> >could have profited $95,000 dollars. That's a one year salary for a
> >talented programmer in some parts of the US, who could make huge
> >impacts at a company.
> >
> >-Reid
> >_______________________________________________
> >games_access mailing list
> >games_access at igda.org
> >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> .......................................
> these are mediocre times and people are
> losing hope. it's hard for many people
> to believe that there are extraordinary
> things inside themselves, as well as
> others. i hope you can keep an open
> mind.
>  -- "unbreakable"
> .......................................
> _______________________________________________
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> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Fri May  4 15:23:06 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 20:23:06 +0100
Subject: [games_access] one-switch game reviews
Message-ID: <071201c78e81$a57608d0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/4/games/2switchgames.htm

If anyone knows of any other places, please let me know.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk
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From reid at rbkdesign.com  Sat May  5 02:13:18 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 23:13:18 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Settlers of Cantan - colorblind mode
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0705042313y20a48cc1vdce72d0911db9312@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.catanlive.com/

A friend told me that Settlers of Cantan, an XBLA game has a
colorblind mode. I'll try to check it out when I can.

-Reid


From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sat May  5 09:17:44 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 14:17:44 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Accessible Gaming Shop - Software utilities added
Message-ID: <10ee01c78f17$c4ffb2a0$0202a8c0@OneSwitch>

It's not comprehensive, but it may be of use to some gamers. I have uploaded a Game Accessibility Software page, which links to utilities that can assist some disabled gamers:

http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/1/AGS/AGS-software.htm

Please get in touch if you have any suggestions for it.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk
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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Sat May  5 19:28:45 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 19:28:45 -0400
Subject: [games_access] KQED Video on Game Accessibility (top-secret
	update)
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzkfyYA
References: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzkfyYA
Message-ID: <002101c78f6d$21e59610$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

Thanks Barrie for the thoughts.  Again if anybody wants to see the trailer
it's on my homepage.

 

I had my first viewing of the first seven minutes that I showed at the
conference to a bunch of you.  I'm almost finished with the voiceover
recording.  A second story that was done in my state last year is being
submitted for an Emmy nomination so if this one gets accepted as a
nomination I can add that as two stories that were nominated of mine in
Maryland for Emmys so that will be good to add to it.

 

So I spoke at Good Samaritan Hospital to place that I was that in September
when I had pneumonia and then three weeks later nine days for autonomic
dyslexia.  I was on a panel April 28 about people who and how they deal with
post-traumatic injuries.  I showed the seven minute movie they were
completely amazed and impressed.  People said things like, I was the
highlight of the conference I made the conference worth it.  One person said
they would buy it as soon as I came out.  It's like they were just
completely blown away mesmerized kind of starstruck with that glow in their
eyes after seeing it full-time.  About 30 people were there people
distinguished all to the hospital.  One woman with a brain injury was on the
panel another man who lost both feet also.  I'll post some pictures on my
web site soon.

 

I need to update you all on the progress for top-secret.  We are at four
stages now.  Character concept, completes today.  Vehicle concept, level
design concept, and weapons,.  I've been doing some drawings.  Pretty
exciting.  We have some great conversations about making the game
accessible.  Quite a few people are interested in voice dictation one person
is four-year-old nephew had a brain injury thinks this would be great for
him to learn how to speak things like while in the gameplaying saying these
words seeing the words will help also.

 

It sure would be exciting to show that documentary who knows if I win this
thing this game will be revealed at GDC 2008 we are hoping.

 

Robert

www.RobertFlorio.com  

 

 

The links below.

 

http://www.videogameteam.com/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ 

http://www.videogameteam.com/joomla/ 

 

You might have to sign in but this will take you to our character
submissions I'm on the third page.  Let me know if it works and you see it?

http://phpbb.acclaim.com/topsecret/viewtopic.php?t=3639 

 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Barrie Ellis
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:01 PM
To: IGDA GA mailing list
Subject: [games_access] KQED Video on Game Accessibility

 

Slowly catching up with things. I really enjoyed the video from KQED.

 

http://www.kqed.org/quest/television/view/276

 

I think they got a lot of important points across. Reid, you came over
particularly eloquently in the video - fine work. Really enjoyed watching
the father and son using hacked up controllers made accessible. I think they
did a pretty good job as it goes. It was nice seeing some of the controllers
I supplied on show too. I guess you wisely kept the rather heavy switch
adapted Namco Arcade Stick at home? I'd love to see more of the footage of
the "Accessibility Idol" show - especially after reading up on Ernest Adams
great related article:

 

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20070501/adams_01.shtml

 

Barrie

www.OneSwitch.org.uk

 

p.s. - I've not forgotten you Robert. Your project is an exciting one - just
need proper time to spare to offer some more thoughts. Keep plugging away,
fella-man!

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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Tue May  8 15:57:32 2007
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 21:57:32 +0200
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
In-Reply-To: <a6673b8d0705040719v71d06b5arc31b8c6b6f77abba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070504002940.APH81292@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>
	<a6673b8d0705040719v71d06b5arc31b8c6b6f77abba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com>

Yes, I think they are a bit dated. I think it was Kevin who found  
them originally, perhaps he has sources to find updated info

Kind regards
Thomas

4 maj 2007 kl. 16.19 skrev Reid Kimball:

> Great, because looking over the stats Thomas posted, I'm afraid those
> are out dated by now?

__________________________________
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From kjb at it.rit.edu  Tue May  8 16:00:13 2007
From: kjb at it.rit.edu (Kevin J. Bierre)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 16:00:13 -0400
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
In-Reply-To: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com>
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com>
Message-ID: <fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu>

The statistics used in the original paper were based on the last US census back in the 90's, as well as from some UN surveys done in the late 90's. I have not had a chance to look for anything more recent.

Kevin Bierre,  Assistant Professor                                                       (kjb at it.rit.edu)
Information Technology,  Rochester Institute of Technology                585-475-5358
102 Lomb Memorial Drive                                                                       Bldg 70-2637
Rochester, NY 14623




From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May  8 16:07:17 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 15:07:17 -0500
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
In-Reply-To: <fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu>
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com>
	<fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu>
Message-ID: <p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]>

I'm waiting on information from the guy I know at the US census for 
census 2000 -- I have some of the data that I use in presentations 
(They are on my other computer right now but as soon as I get the 
slides I'll put them up on the wiki). But this guy can break things 
down by disability type and give us wider ranges than just "16-64 
year olds" (which doesn't do us much good...). So hang tight 
everyone! :)

Michelle

>The statistics used in the original paper were based on the last US 
>census back in the 90's, as well as from some UN surveys done in the 
>late 90's. I have not had a chance to look for anything more recent.
>
>Kevin Bierre,  Assistant Professor 
>(kjb at it.rit.edu)
>Information Technology,  Rochester Institute of Technology 
>585-475-5358
>102 Lomb Memorial Drive 
>Bldg 70-2637
>Rochester, NY 14623
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May  8 16:10:01 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 15:10:01 -0500
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
In-Reply-To: <p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]>
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com>
	<fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu>
	<p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]>
Message-ID: <p06230923c266897d40ff@[130.126.29.71]>

I mean smaller ranges when I say "wider." lol.

>I'm waiting on information from the guy I know at the US census for 
>census 2000 -- I have some of the data that I use in presentations 
>(They are on my other computer right now but as soon as I get the 
>slides I'll put them up on the wiki). But this guy can break things 
>down by disability type and give us wider ranges than just "16-64 
>year olds" (which doesn't do us much good...). So hang tight 
>everyone! :)
>
>Michelle
>
>>The statistics used in the original paper were based on the last US 
>>census back in the 90's, as well as from some UN surveys done in 
>>the late 90's. I have not had a chance to look for anything more 
>>recent.
>>
>>Kevin Bierre,  Assistant Professor (kjb at it.rit.edu)
>>Information Technology,  Rochester Institute of Technology 585-475-5358
>>102 Lomb Memorial Drive Bldg 70-2637
>>Rochester, NY 14623
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Tue May  8 16:14:25 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 16:14:25 -0400
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIwkviYA
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com><fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu>
	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIwkviYA
Message-ID: <017d01c791ad$7b9db010$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

Thanks for looking up some statistics.  I missed a couple of the
conversations.  What is this for?  I can guess.

That would come in so handy for all of us when we go to propose our ideas to
people and they ask us things like, how many people do you actually think
our in that genre?  And usually my answer is "ah well I think there is, from
my experience I've seen, last I heard 2 million people in the United States
have some sort of eye blindness, so; to me that is a good reason to make
games accessible."

I feel so embarrassing telling things like this to people but I know
recently that statistics are a huge selling point.  I haven't had the time
to do this myself.  thanks.  That would be a really good thing for us to
tackle really hunker down and see who's out there who is our market so we
all know.  Thanks.

Robert
www.RobertFlorio.com   

-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:07 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later

I'm waiting on information from the guy I know at the US census for 
census 2000 -- I have some of the data that I use in presentations 
(They are on my other computer right now but as soon as I get the 
slides I'll put them up on the wiki). But this guy can break things 
down by disability type and give us wider ranges than just "16-64 
year olds" (which doesn't do us much good...). So hang tight 
everyone! :)

Michelle

>The statistics used in the original paper were based on the last US 
>census back in the 90's, as well as from some UN surveys done in the 
>late 90's. I have not had a chance to look for anything more recent.
>
>Kevin Bierre,  Assistant Professor 
>(kjb at it.rit.edu)
>Information Technology,  Rochester Institute of Technology 
>585-475-5358
>102 Lomb Memorial Drive 
>Bldg 70-2637
>Rochester, NY 14623
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From richard at audiogames.net  Tue May  8 16:27:29 2007
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 22:27:29 +0200
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com><fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu>
	<p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]>
Message-ID: <000e01c791af$4d319d70$6402a8c0@Delletje>

Hi,

I'll try and get some new statistics from the Accessibility foundation, 
which usually has some stuff lying around - at least for Europe. By the way, 
for those who don't know yet, I have left the Accessibility foundation for 
at least half a year to work at the School of the Arts Utrecht (where I 
already worked too) in order to finish my PhD thesis. This means that much 
of what I did at Accessibility (such as GA.com, GA articles and GA research 
and stuff) is temporarily on hold *for me*. The foundation continuous with 
their game accessibility activities and although I tend to only focus on my 
PhD for now, I will be doing some GA stuff, like the HCII conference and 
also some stuff for a possible upcoming European project on game 
accessibility. I'll be available through email as usual so you'll probably 
won't really notice any difference. And I will continue my SIG-related 
activities as usual. And since I officially still work for Accessibility, 
but am only on a temporary leave, I will continue to watch over GA.com.

Greets,

Richard




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later


> I'm waiting on information from the guy I know at the US census for census 
> 2000 -- I have some of the data that I use in presentations (They are on 
> my other computer right now but as soon as I get the slides I'll put them 
> up on the wiki). But this guy can break things down by disability type and 
> give us wider ranges than just "16-64 year olds" (which doesn't do us much 
> good...). So hang tight everyone! :)
>
> Michelle
>
>>The statistics used in the original paper were based on the last US census 
>>back in the 90's, as well as from some UN surveys done in the late 90's. I 
>>have not had a chance to look for anything more recent.
>>
>>Kevin Bierre,  Assistant Professor (kjb at it.rit.edu)
>>Information Technology,  Rochester Institute of Technology 585-475-5358
>>102 Lomb Memorial Drive Bldg 70-2637
>>Rochester, NY 14623
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From agdev at thechases.com  Tue May  8 16:48:19 2007
From: agdev at thechases.com (Tim Chase)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 15:48:19 -0500
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
In-Reply-To: <p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]>
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com>	<fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu>
	<p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]>
Message-ID: <4640E213.1090306@thechases.com>

> I'm waiting on information from the guy I know at the US census for 
> census 2000 -- I have some of the data that I use in presentations 

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/disability/2005acs.html

There are tools there to break things down.  I just did a generic 
"Has a disability vs. doesn't have a disability" broken down by 
slightly more fine-grained ranges:

5-16
16-21
21-65
65-74
75+

I also broke them down by gender.  I attached the file, but if 
for some reason the mailing list strips attachments, I can FTP it 
somewhere.

I don't know if this is the sorta data you were looking for, but 
it's a start.  Huzzah for government-supplied data. :)

-tim


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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May  8 16:57:26 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 15:57:26 -0500
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
In-Reply-To: <4640E213.1090306@thechases.com>
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com>
	<fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu>
	<p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]>
	<4640E213.1090306@thechases.com>
Message-ID: <p06230928c266941dbe7a@[130.126.29.71]>

Cool! Thanks Tim -- what format did you attach the file in? I may be 
able to avoid what we have below -- try sending it to me at 
hinn at uiuc.edu

Ok, if we can then get that census guy to help us break down 21-65 
even further then we'll be set!

>>I'm waiting on information from the guy I know at the US census for 
>>census 2000 -- I have some of the data that I use in presentations
>
>http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/disability/2005acs.html
>
>There are tools there to break things down.  I just did a generic 
>"Has a disability vs. doesn't have a disability" broken down by 
>slightly more fine-grained ranges:
>
>5-16
>16-21
>21-65
>65-74
>75+
>
>I also broke them down by gender.  I attached the file, but if for 
>some reason the mailing list strips attachments, I can FTP it 
>somewhere.
>
>I don't know if this is the sorta data you were looking for, but 
>it's a start.  Huzzah for government-supplied data. :)
>
>-tim
>
>
>
>     Disability Disability % No Disability All   267,387,983 
>39,740,709 15% 227,647,274   5-16 44,586,147 2,886,534 6% 41,699,613 
>16-21 19,038,658 1,357,743 7% 17,680,915   21-65 169,002,651 
>21,432,556 13% 147,570,095   65-74 18,359,809 5,556,324 30% 
>12,803,485   75+ 16,400,718 8,507,552 52% 7,893,166
>Male   130,301,787 18,641,855 14% 111,659,932   5-16 22,810,520 
>1,833,676 8% 20,976,844   16-21 9,789,354 787,851 8% 9,001,503 
>21-65 82,857,784 10,342,501 12% 72,515,283   65-74 8,400,634 
>2,522,501 30% 5,878,133   75+ 6,443,495 3,155,326 49% 3,288,169
>Female   137,086,196 21,098,854 15% 115,987,342   5-16 21,775,627 
>1,052,858 5% 20,722,769   16-21 9,249,304 569,892 6% 8,679,412 
>21-65 86,144,867 11,090,055 13% 75,054,812   65-74 9,959,175 
>3,033,823 30% 6,925,352   75+ 9,957,223 5,352,226 54% 4,604,997
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Tue May  8 17:04:03 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 17:04:03 -0400
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIwEvyYA
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com>	<fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu><p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]>
	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIwEvyYA
Message-ID: <018a01c791b4$6a5366e0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

Is that really reliable though for our needs?

I looked at the provided web site below.  Between the age of 16 and 34 for
males.  Physical disabilities that are employed.  The number was around
300,000 people in the United States.  For males unemployed and number was
around 500,000 people.  I'm not sure we want to look for statistics on who's
employed that might help to know if they can afford the stuff these games,
but really knowing what the extent of their disability is.

The margin of error was 71,000 people off by that and the physical
disabilities lists was up around 100 million people.

What does it take to be registered with a disability though.  We don't know
what they're taking into account with these census.  Is there anything more
precise maybe we can contact a university to help us to create one?

Michelle maybe your university will if you applied for some sort of research
group to put together some sort of legalized official lies census that might
put your university on the mark they might find you for it.  Keep in mind I
don't know what I'm talking about but seems like that's what happens at
universities.  Don't know what I'm talking about because I don't know if
universities do that.  That's what I think.  :-)
Robert
www.RobertFlorio.com    


-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Tim Chase
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:48 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later

> I'm waiting on information from the guy I know at the US census for 
> census 2000 -- I have some of the data that I use in presentations 

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/disability/2005acs.html

There are tools there to break things down.  I just did a generic 
"Has a disability vs. doesn't have a disability" broken down by 
slightly more fine-grained ranges:

5-16
16-21
21-65
65-74
75+

I also broke them down by gender.  I attached the file, but if 
for some reason the mailing list strips attachments, I can FTP it 
somewhere.

I don't know if this is the sorta data you were looking for, but 
it's a start.  Huzzah for government-supplied data. :)

-tim





From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Tue May  8 17:06:58 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 17:06:58 -0400
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIyEvyYA
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com><fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu><p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]>
	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIyEvyYA
Message-ID: <018b01c791b4$d280ddb0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

Thank you Richard.  I wish we could multiply you.  Hundreds of Richard
running around.  A powerful force.  Then I'd have to hear the way you say
sleck stuky, however it's spelled about 100 times.  :-)

Best wishes please stay in touch and involved.

Robert
www.RobertFlorio.com    

-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of AudioGames.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:27 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later

Hi,

I'll try and get some new statistics from the Accessibility foundation, 
which usually has some stuff lying around - at least for Europe. By the way,

for those who don't know yet, I have left the Accessibility foundation for 
at least half a year to work at the School of the Arts Utrecht (where I 
already worked too) in order to finish my PhD thesis. This means that much 
of what I did at Accessibility (such as GA.com, GA articles and GA research 
and stuff) is temporarily on hold *for me*. The foundation continuous with 
their game accessibility activities and although I tend to only focus on my 
PhD for now, I will be doing some GA stuff, like the HCII conference and 
also some stuff for a possible upcoming European project on game 
accessibility. I'll be available through email as usual so you'll probably 
won't really notice any difference. And I will continue my SIG-related 
activities as usual. And since I officially still work for Accessibility, 
but am only on a temporary leave, I will continue to watch over GA.com.

Greets,

Richard




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later


> I'm waiting on information from the guy I know at the US census for census

> 2000 -- I have some of the data that I use in presentations (They are on 
> my other computer right now but as soon as I get the slides I'll put them 
> up on the wiki). But this guy can break things down by disability type and

> give us wider ranges than just "16-64 year olds" (which doesn't do us much

> good...). So hang tight everyone! :)
>
> Michelle
>
>>The statistics used in the original paper were based on the last US census

>>back in the 90's, as well as from some UN surveys done in the late 90's. I

>>have not had a chance to look for anything more recent.
>>
>>Kevin Bierre,  Assistant Professor (kjb at it.rit.edu)
>>Information Technology,  Rochester Institute of Technology 585-475-5358
>>102 Lomb Memorial Drive Bldg 70-2637
>>Rochester, NY 14623
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 

_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From richard at audiogames.net  Tue May  8 17:10:54 2007
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 23:10:54 +0200
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com><fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu><p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]>AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIyEvyYA
	<018b01c791b4$d280ddb0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
Message-ID: <001701c791b5$5da23c90$6402a8c0@Delletje>

That would be a lot of bad hair... hahaha.... and a whole lot of bad more ;) 
I'll stick around just as always!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Florio" <arthit73 at cablespeed.com>
To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later


> Thank you Richard.  I wish we could multiply you.  Hundreds of Richard
> running around.  A powerful force.  Then I'd have to hear the way you say
> sleck stuky, however it's spelled about 100 times.  :-)
>
> Best wishes please stay in touch and involved.
>
> Robert
> www.RobertFlorio.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
> On Behalf Of AudioGames.net
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:27 PM
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
>
> Hi,
>
> I'll try and get some new statistics from the Accessibility foundation,
> which usually has some stuff lying around - at least for Europe. By the 
> way,
>
> for those who don't know yet, I have left the Accessibility foundation for
> at least half a year to work at the School of the Arts Utrecht (where I
> already worked too) in order to finish my PhD thesis. This means that much
> of what I did at Accessibility (such as GA.com, GA articles and GA 
> research
> and stuff) is temporarily on hold *for me*. The foundation continuous with
> their game accessibility activities and although I tend to only focus on 
> my
> PhD for now, I will be doing some GA stuff, like the HCII conference and
> also some stuff for a possible upcoming European project on game
> accessibility. I'll be available through email as usual so you'll probably
> won't really notice any difference. And I will continue my SIG-related
> activities as usual. And since I officially still work for Accessibility,
> but am only on a temporary leave, I will continue to watch over GA.com.
>
> Greets,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
>
>
>> I'm waiting on information from the guy I know at the US census for 
>> census
>
>> 2000 -- I have some of the data that I use in presentations (They are on
>> my other computer right now but as soon as I get the slides I'll put them
>> up on the wiki). But this guy can break things down by disability type 
>> and
>
>> give us wider ranges than just "16-64 year olds" (which doesn't do us 
>> much
>
>> good...). So hang tight everyone! :)
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>>>The statistics used in the original paper were based on the last US 
>>>census
>
>>>back in the 90's, as well as from some UN surveys done in the late 90's. 
>>>I
>
>>>have not had a chance to look for anything more recent.
>>>
>>>Kevin Bierre,  Assistant Professor (kjb at it.rit.edu)
>>>Information Technology,  Rochester Institute of Technology 585-475-5358
>>>102 Lomb Memorial Drive Bldg 70-2637
>>>Rochester, NY 14623
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From richard at audiogames.net  Tue May  8 17:15:54 2007
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 23:15:54 +0200
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com><fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu><p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]><4640E213.1090306@thechases.com>
	<p06230928c266941dbe7a@[130.126.29.71]>
Message-ID: <003501c791b6$10a4a710$6402a8c0@Delletje>

html?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later


> Cool! Thanks Tim -- what format did you attach the file in? I may be 
> able to avoid what we have below -- try sending it to me at 
> hinn at uiuc.edu


From richard at audiogames.net  Tue May  8 17:16:03 2007
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 23:16:03 +0200
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com><fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu><p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]><4640E213.1090306@thechases.com>
	<p06230928c266941dbe7a@[130.126.29.71]>
Message-ID: <003801c791b6$157541f0$6402a8c0@Delletje>

ah... you're on a mac ;)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later


> Cool! Thanks Tim -- what format did you attach the file in? I may be 
> able to avoid what we have below -- try sending it to me at 
> hinn at uiuc.edu
> 
> Ok, if we can then get that census guy to help us break down 21-65 
> even further then we'll be set!
> 
>>>I'm waiting on information from the guy I know at the US census for 
>>>census 2000 -- I have some of the data that I use in presentations
>>
>>http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/disability/2005acs.html
>>
>>There are tools there to break things down.  I just did a generic 
>>"Has a disability vs. doesn't have a disability" broken down by 
>>slightly more fine-grained ranges:
>>
>>5-16
>>16-21
>>21-65
>>65-74
>>75+
>>
>>I also broke them down by gender.  I attached the file, but if for 
>>some reason the mailing list strips attachments, I can FTP it 
>>somewhere.
>>
>>I don't know if this is the sorta data you were looking for, but 
>>it's a start.  Huzzah for government-supplied data. :)
>>
>>-tim
>>
>>
>>
>>     Disability Disability % No Disability All   267,387,983 
>>39,740,709 15% 227,647,274   5-16 44,586,147 2,886,534 6% 41,699,613 
>>16-21 19,038,658 1,357,743 7% 17,680,915   21-65 169,002,651 
>>21,432,556 13% 147,570,095   65-74 18,359,809 5,556,324 30% 
>>12,803,485   75+ 16,400,718 8,507,552 52% 7,893,166
>>Male   130,301,787 18,641,855 14% 111,659,932   5-16 22,810,520 
>>1,833,676 8% 20,976,844   16-21 9,789,354 787,851 8% 9,001,503 
>>21-65 82,857,784 10,342,501 12% 72,515,283   65-74 8,400,634 
>>2,522,501 30% 5,878,133   75+ 6,443,495 3,155,326 49% 3,288,169
>>Female   137,086,196 21,098,854 15% 115,987,342   5-16 21,775,627 
>>1,052,858 5% 20,722,769   16-21 9,249,304 569,892 6% 8,679,412 
>>21-65 86,144,867 11,090,055 13% 75,054,812   65-74 9,959,175 
>>3,033,823 30% 6,925,352   75+ 9,957,223 5,352,226 54% 4,604,997
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> 
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access


From agdev at thechases.com  Tue May  8 17:16:14 2007
From: agdev at thechases.com (Tim Chase)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 16:16:14 -0500
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
In-Reply-To: <p06230928c266941dbe7a@[130.126.29.71]>
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com>	<fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu>	<p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]>	<4640E213.1090306@thechases.com>
	<p06230928c266941dbe7a@[130.126.29.71]>
Message-ID: <4640E89E.7040009@thechases.com>

> Cool! Thanks Tim -- what format did you attach the file in? I may be 
> able to avoid what we have below -- try sending it to me at 

It should have come through as an HTML file.  Yeah, what you sent 
back was pretty unreadable.

I just dumped it at

http://tim.thechases.com/sig_access/census.html

in case you want it.

There was a margin-of-error of around 20-30k (some more, some 
less...that's statistics for ya)

The original source was this long & ugly URL:

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/CTTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-ds_name=ACS_2005_EST_G00_&-dataitem=ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_1_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_2_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_3_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_4_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_5_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_6_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_7_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_8_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_9_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_10_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_11_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_12_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_13_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_14_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_15_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_16_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_17_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_18_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_19_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_20_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_21_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_22_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G
2000_B18002.B18002_23_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_24_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_25_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_26_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_27_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_28_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_29_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_30_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_31_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_32_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_33_EST&-_lang=en&-format=&-mt_name=ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002

There are options to break it down further by
-sensory disability
-physical disability
-mental disability
-self-care disability
-go-outside-home disability

Sorry, Michelle...no "taking on more work than she can handle" 
disability :-P  (though I suspect you're in very good company)

There's entirely too much data there...you could theoretically 
survey disability by home-heating-method and by plumbing 
facilities.  Or by fertile married veterans 
living-with-grandparents in multi-family homes.  I'm not sure 
that's information I really care to know. :)

-tim




From richard at audiogames.net  Tue May  8 17:25:15 2007
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 23:25:15 +0200
Subject: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com>	<fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu>	<p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]>	<4640E213.1090306@thechases.com><p06230928c266941dbe7a@[130.126.29.71]>
	<4640E89E.7040009@thechases.com>
Message-ID: <004501c791b7$5ea4cd90$6402a8c0@Delletje>

Hi Tim,

Tip for next time you have a long URL you want to post somewhere: 
http://www.tinyurl.com

Greets,

Richard


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Chase" <agdev at thechases.com>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later


>> Cool! Thanks Tim -- what format did you attach the file in? I may be able 
>> to avoid what we have below -- try sending it to me at
>
> It should have come through as an HTML file.  Yeah, what you sent back was 
> pretty unreadable.
>
> I just dumped it at
>
> http://tim.thechases.com/sig_access/census.html
>
> in case you want it.
>
> There was a margin-of-error of around 20-30k (some more, some 
> less...that's statistics for ya)
>
> The original source was this long & ugly URL:
>
> http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/CTTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-ds_name=ACS_2005_EST_G00_&-dataitem=ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_1_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_2_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_3_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_4_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_5_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_6_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_7_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_8_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_9_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_10_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_11_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_12_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_13_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_14_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_15_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_16_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_17_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_18_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_19_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_20_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_21_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_22_EST|ACS_2005_EST_
 G
> 2000_B18002.B18002_23_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_24_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_25_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_26_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_27_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_28_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_29_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_30_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_31_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_32_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_33_EST&-_lang=en&-format=&-mt_name=ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002
>
> There are options to break it down further by
> -sensory disability
> -physical disability
> -mental disability
> -self-care disability
> -go-outside-home disability
>
> Sorry, Michelle...no "taking on more work than she can handle" disability 
> :-P  (though I suspect you're in very good company)
>
> There's entirely too much data there...you could theoretically survey 
> disability by home-heating-method and by plumbing facilities.  Or by 
> fertile married veterans living-with-grandparents in multi-family homes. 
> I'm not sure that's information I really care to know. :)
>
> -tim
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From reid at rbkdesign.com  Wed May  9 11:47:12 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 08:47:12 -0700
Subject: [games_access] cool tech from UK
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0705090847r1baf793cu97f70178f69270ec@mail.gmail.com>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6625145.stm

Wearable hat controls remote control car for disabled. Also can be
used in PS1 and PS2 games. It's similar to that Aprils Fools joke of
the wearable hat Wii controller or NavPoint device.


From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Wed May  9 12:09:33 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 12:09:33 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Robert Florio Pittsburgh Post interview.
	Featuring Michelle.
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIwEwSYA
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com>	<fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu>	<p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]>	<4640E213.1090306@thechases.com><p06230928c266941dbe7a@[130.126.29.71]><4640E89E.7040009@thechases.com>
	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIwEwSYA
Message-ID: <007601c79254$705b2c80$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

Thank you Michelle for participating with this interview.  We are two of a
kind.  Jeannie Novak is an amazing person is and she?  That school that I'm
a part of the art Institute online definitely is a great supporter for our
calls and have really been supporting me tremendously with PR lately.  First
with the contact the reporters and San Francisco from local news for our
conference and then this and also the Washington Post which I have to get
the link to that video they did of me and the Washington Post also did a
print and online story I don't have the link for.

Check out the story below there is also a audio interview of myself and
Michelle.  My school is really tremendous their supporting me amazingly.
I'm actually applying for a $10,000 scholarship there so in a couple of days
all hoped to send out the e-mail to get your votes the top 10% with the most
votes gets a review by the judges to pick one person for $10,000 a student
from the art Institute online.  I really need that.  I would really
appreciate your support at that time.

Here is the interview.  I think that a lady who from my school the PR
director Robin Beckham is going to help me to advertise my story more places
they are advertising their school and with my story we just love it helps
them and me.  Hopefully she might be able to help me advertise my
documentary as well I think she wants to use her connections in NBC and her
Oscar nomination for a documentary and 11 documentaries she's done in the
past producing.  The perfect situation.  So we will see big things huge
things are going to happen for our calls.  Hopefully I'll get a good job and
be able to afford the things I need that's a huge goal of mine also.  I want
to thank you all again for everything you've done and the support and
working together to encourage us always working together.

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/07129/784361-51.stm 

Robert
www.RobertFlorio.com   





-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of AudioGames.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:25 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later

Hi Tim,

Tip for next time you have a long URL you want to post somewhere: 
http://www.tinyurl.com

Greets,

Richard


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Chase" <agdev at thechases.com>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later


>> Cool! Thanks Tim -- what format did you attach the file in? I may be able

>> to avoid what we have below -- try sending it to me at
>
> It should have come through as an HTML file.  Yeah, what you sent back was

> pretty unreadable.
>
> I just dumped it at
>
> http://tim.thechases.com/sig_access/census.html
>
> in case you want it.
>
> There was a margin-of-error of around 20-30k (some more, some 
> less...that's statistics for ya)
>
> The original source was this long & ugly URL:
>
>
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/CTTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-ds_name=
ACS_2005_EST_G00_&-dataitem=ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_1_EST|ACS_2005_
EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_2_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_3_EST|ACS_200
5_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_4_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_5_EST|ACS_2
005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_6_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_7_EST|ACS
_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_8_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_9_EST|A
CS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_10_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_11_E
ST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_12_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_
13_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_14_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18
002_15_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_16_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002
.B18002_17_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_18_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B1
8002.B18002_19_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_20_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G200
0_B18002.B18002_21_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_22_EST|ACS_2005_EST_
 G
>
2000_B18002.B18002_23_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_24_EST|ACS_2005_E
ST_G2000_B18002.B18002_25_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_26_EST|ACS_20
05_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_27_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_28_EST|AC
S_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_29_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_30_ES
T|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_31_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_3
2_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_33_EST&-_lang=en&-format=&-mt_name=AC
S_2005_EST_G2000_B18002
>
> There are options to break it down further by
> -sensory disability
> -physical disability
> -mental disability
> -self-care disability
> -go-outside-home disability
>
> Sorry, Michelle...no "taking on more work than she can handle" disability 
> :-P  (though I suspect you're in very good company)
>
> There's entirely too much data there...you could theoretically survey 
> disability by home-heating-method and by plumbing facilities.  Or by 
> fertile married veterans living-with-grandparents in multi-family homes. 
> I'm not sure that's information I really care to know. :)
>
> -tim
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 

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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed May  9 12:25:14 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 11:25:14 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Robert Florio Pittsburgh Post interview.
 Featuring Michelle.
In-Reply-To: <007601c79254$705b2c80$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com>
	<fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu>
	<p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]>
	<4640E213.1090306@thechases.com><p06230928c266941dbe7a@[130.126.29.71]><46
	40E89E.7040009@thechases.com>	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIwEwSYA
	<007601c79254$705b2c80$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
Message-ID: <p06230908c267a4c5f087@[130.126.29.76]>

Cool! Yes, I know your PR people at the Art Institute very well at 
this point. :) It's all good. I thought that the ABC news bit and the 
KQED stuff from San Fran worked out very well -- we've gotten a lot 
of new people sign up on the list (waves to new people - don't be 
shy!).

I've tried calling and emailing the Washington Post people but I 
don't think they've put up their interview with you yet. I think it 
might be because it was due to come out right around the time of the 
Virginia Tech shootings and since so many of the victims were from 
the Washington area...video games definitely fall out of favor in the 
media when horrid things happen even if they have NOTHING to do with 
the violent events. But I'll email them again -- do you have any 
other contact info for them?

Anyway, great news about your documentary and let us know how to vote 
for you when the competition for the scholarship is posted!!

Michelle

>Thank you Michelle for participating with this interview.  We are two of a
>kind.  Jeannie Novak is an amazing person is and she?  That school that I'm
>a part of the art Institute online definitely is a great supporter for our
>calls and have really been supporting me tremendously with PR lately.  First
>with the contact the reporters and San Francisco from local news for our
>conference and then this and also the Washington Post which I have to get
>the link to that video they did of me and the Washington Post also did a
>print and online story I don't have the link for.
>
>Check out the story below there is also a audio interview of myself and
>Michelle.  My school is really tremendous their supporting me amazingly.
>I'm actually applying for a $10,000 scholarship there so in a couple of days
>all hoped to send out the e-mail to get your votes the top 10% with the most
>votes gets a review by the judges to pick one person for $10,000 a student
>from the art Institute online.  I really need that.  I would really
>appreciate your support at that time.
>
>Here is the interview.  I think that a lady who from my school the PR
>director Robin Beckham is going to help me to advertise my story more places
>they are advertising their school and with my story we just love it helps
>them and me.  Hopefully she might be able to help me advertise my
>documentary as well I think she wants to use her connections in NBC and her
>Oscar nomination for a documentary and 11 documentaries she's done in the
>past producing.  The perfect situation.  So we will see big things huge
>things are going to happen for our calls.  Hopefully I'll get a good job and
>be able to afford the things I need that's a huge goal of mine also.  I want
>to thank you all again for everything you've done and the support and
>working together to encourage us always working together.
>
>http://www.postgazette.com/pg/07129/784361-51.stm
>
>Robert
>www.RobertFlorio.com  
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
>On Behalf Of AudioGames.net
>Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:25 PM
>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
>
>Hi Tim,
>
>Tip for next time you have a long URL you want to post somewhere:
>http://www.tinyurl.com
>
>Greets,
>
>Richard
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Chase" <agdev at thechases.com>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 11:16 PM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] We must get data sooner than later
>
>
>>>  Cool! Thanks Tim -- what format did you attach the file in? I may be able
>
>>>  to avoid what we have below -- try sending it to me at
>>
>>  It should have come through as an HTML file.  Yeah, what you sent back was
>
>>  pretty unreadable.
>>
>>  I just dumped it at
>>
>>  http://tim.thechases.com/sig_access/census.html
>>
>>  in case you want it.
>>
>>  There was a margin-of-error of around 20-30k (some more, some
>  > less...that's statistics for ya)
>>
>>  The original source was this long & ugly URL:
>>
>>
>http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/CTTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-ds_name=
>ACS_2005_EST_G00_&-dataitem=ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_1_EST|ACS_2005_
>EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_2_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_3_EST|ACS_200
>5_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_4_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_5_EST|ACS_2
>005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_6_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_7_EST|ACS
>_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_8_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_9_EST|A
>CS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_10_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_11_E
>ST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_12_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_
>13_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_14_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18
>002_15_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_16_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002
>.B18002_17_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_18_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B1
>8002.B18002_19_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_20_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G200
>0_B18002.B18002_21_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_22_EST|ACS_2005_EST_
>  G
>>
>2000_B18002.B18002_23_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_24_EST|ACS_2005_E
>ST_G2000_B18002.B18002_25_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_26_EST|ACS_20
>05_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_27_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_28_EST|AC
>S_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_29_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_30_ES
>T|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_31_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_3
>2_EST|ACS_2005_EST_G2000_B18002.B18002_33_EST&-_lang=en&-format=&-mt_name=AC
>S_2005_EST_G2000_B18002
>>
>>  There are options to break it down further by
>>  -sensory disability
>>  -physical disability
>>  -mental disability
>>  -self-care disability
>>  -go-outside-home disability
>>
>>  Sorry, Michelle...no "taking on more work than she can handle" disability
>>  :-P  (though I suspect you're in very good company)
>>
>>  There's entirely too much data there...you could theoretically survey
>>  disability by home-heating-method and by plumbing facilities.  Or by
>>  fertile married veterans living-with-grandparents in multi-family homes.
>>  I'm not sure that's information I really care to know. :)
>>
>>  -tim
>>
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  games_access mailing list
>>  games_access at igda.org
>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From richard at audiogames.net  Wed May  9 17:38:16 2007
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 23:38:16 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Accessible Adult Entertainment,
	Censorship and Accessibility
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com><fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu><p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]><4640E213.1090306@thechases.com><p06230928c266941dbe7a@[130.126.29.71]><4640E89E.7040009@thechases.com>	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIwEwSYA<007601c79254$705b2c80$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<p06230908c267a4c5f087@[130.126.29.76]>
Message-ID: <006001c79282$5a79bd40$6402a8c0@Delletje>

Hi,

Encountered this news item about an accessible porn website for the visually 
and auditory impaired:

http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=48266

So porn that includes closed captions and auditory descriptions. Not that 
the blind haven't been enjoying auditory porn for centuries, but, oh well... 
Interestingly, I recently encountered this news item, about a blind man 
being being charged for listening to child porn:

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,1000000097,2089959,00.htm

Not that I condone someone seemingly enjoying real child porn, but this 
issue got my interest because in games there's the whole censorship going on 
with extreme violence and sex, etc?  So how does that kind of censorship 
relate to alternatives. What I mean is: in an audio game (so without 
visuals) but only sound, what do terms like "Blood and Gore, Intense 
Violence, Nudity" (http://www.esrb.org/ratings/) mean?

Greets,

Richard (yeah, the Amsterdam guy) 



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed May  9 22:21:48 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:21:48 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Accessible Adult Entertainment,
 Censorship and Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <006001c79282$5a79bd40$6402a8c0@Delletje>
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com><fc.004c519f019c9
	c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu><p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.
	71]><4640E213.1090306@thechases.com><p06230928c266941dbe7a@[130.126.29.71]
	><4640E89E.7040009@thechases.com>
	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIwEwSYA<007601c79254$705b2c80$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<p06230908c267a4c5f087@[130.126.29.76]>
	<006001c79282$5a79bd40$6402a8c0@Delletje>
Message-ID: <p06230914c2682ea98ad8@[130.126.29.76]>

You aren't the only Amsterdam guy on this list (*cough* eelke *cough* 
sander *cough*)...but the bigger issue is that you pose this inquiry 
and then LEAVE for a sunny vacation? Unfair!

But you do raise an interesting point and I'm going to ask Brenda 
Brathwaite if she knows of any parallels for sound censorship. I mean 
obviously there is song lyrics censorship (on the US radio and then 
those stickers they put on CDs so that kids can't buy them...in the 
US). But I'm not sure what they would consider a "lyric" -- this 
probably is handled by some sort of legislation but I don't know if 
it refers to other mediums like games (and is a "cd" a different 
medium than a "mp3"?)

Just a quick scan of some sites, I found quite a lot of protest sites 
that seem to have originated as music censorship sites but now are 
branching out, like this one (started as a school project for 
someone):

http://www.theroc.org/updates/legislat.htm

Then even before the warning stickers was the radio and bans on radio 
include lyrics in songs AND what the DJ says. Now a sound that is 
sexually suggestive *might* not be banned (Howard Stern certainly has 
done that many times).

Here's a HUGE rundown on wikipedia that covers the US:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Censorship_in_the_United_States

So...I honestly have no idea about this and games so I will defer to 
Brenda and see what she knows about it -- I'm sure that as the "sex 
in games" SIG chair, she has a lot to say. :) Will post her response 
as soon as I get it!

Michelle

>Hi,
>
>Encountered this news item about an accessible porn website for the 
>visually and auditory impaired:
>
>http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=48266
>
>So porn that includes closed captions and auditory descriptions. Not 
>that the blind haven't been enjoying auditory porn for centuries, 
>but, oh well... Interestingly, I recently encountered this news 
>item, about a blind man being being charged for listening to child 
>porn:
>
>http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,1000000097,2089959,00.htm
>
>Not that I condone someone seemingly enjoying real child porn, but 
>this issue got my interest because in games there's the whole 
>censorship going on with extreme violence and sex, etc?  So how does 
>that kind of censorship relate to alternatives. What I mean is: in 
>an audio game (so without visuals) but only sound, what do terms 
>like "Blood and Gore, Intense Violence, Nudity" 
>(http://www.esrb.org/ratings/) mean?
>
>Greets,
>
>Richard (yeah, the Amsterdam guy)
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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From richard at audiogames.net  Wed May  9 23:22:26 2007
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 05:22:26 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Accessible Adult Entertainment,
	Censorship and Accessibility
References: <4CC5478D-1889-4155-8238-7846FBEAFC2B@pininteractive.com><fc.004c519f019c9c3f3b9aca003784e995.19c9c52@it.rit.edu><p06230922c2668866ff80@[130.126.29.71]><4640E213.1090306@thechases.com><p06230928c266941dbe7a@[130.126.29.71]><4640E89E.7040009@thechases.com>AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIwEwSYA<007601c79254$705b2c80$6501a8c0@Inspiron><p06230908c267a4c5f087@[130.126.29.76]><006001c79282$5a79bd40$6402a8c0@Delletje>
	<p06230914c2682ea98ad8@[130.126.29.76]>
Message-ID: <001301c792b2$6ee67720$6402a8c0@Delletje>

Re: [games_access] Accessible Adult Entertainment, Censorcorrection: 2 weeks of rain vacation as far as the forecast is now ;) But I'll read your heartwarming replies when I get back :)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: d. michelle hinn 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [games_access] Accessible Adult Entertainment, Censorship and Accessibility


  You aren't the only Amsterdam guy on this list (*cough* eelke *cough* sander *cough*)...but the bigger issue is that you pose this inquiry and then LEAVE for a sunny vacation? Unfair!


  But you do raise an interesting point and I'm going to ask Brenda Brathwaite if she knows of any parallels for sound censorship. I mean obviously there is song lyrics censorship (on the US radio and then those stickers they put on CDs so that kids can't buy them...in the US). But I'm not sure what they would consider a "lyric" -- this probably is handled by some sort of legislation but I don't know if it refers to other mediums like games (and is a "cd" a different medium than a "mp3"?)


  Just a quick scan of some sites, I found quite a lot of protest sites that seem to have originated as music censorship sites but now are branching out, like this one (started as a school project for someone):


  http://www.theroc.org/updates/legislat.htm


  Then even before the warning stickers was the radio and bans on radio include lyrics in songs AND what the DJ says. Now a sound that is sexually suggestive *might* not be banned (Howard Stern certainly has done that many times).


  Here's a HUGE rundown on wikipedia that covers the US:


  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Censorship_in_the_United_States


  So...I honestly have no idea about this and games so I will defer to Brenda and see what she knows about it -- I'm sure that as the "sex in games" SIG chair, she has a lot to say. :) Will post her response as soon as I get it!


  Michelle


    Hi,

    Encountered this news item about an accessible porn website for the visually and auditory impaired:

    http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=48266

    So porn that includes closed captions and auditory descriptions. Not that the blind haven't been enjoying auditory porn for centuries, but, oh well... Interestingly, I recently encountered this news item, about a blind man being being charged for listening to child porn:

    http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,1000000097,2089959,00.htm

    Not that I condone someone seemingly enjoying real child porn, but this issue got my interest because in games there's the whole censorship going on with extreme violence and sex, etc?  So how does that kind of censorship relate to alternatives. What I mean is: in an audio game (so without visuals) but only sound, what do terms like "Blood and Gore, Intense Violence, Nudity" (http://www.esrb.org/ratings/) mean?

    Greets,

    Richard (yeah, the Amsterdam guy)
    _______________________________________________
    games_access mailing list
    games_access at igda.org
    http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access




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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Fri May 11 07:59:21 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:59:21 +0100
Subject: [games_access] cool tech from UK
References: <a6673b8d0705090847r1baf793cu97f70178f69270ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009901c793c3$d021a480$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>

Cheers Reid - blogged it here:

http://switchgaming.blogspot.com/2007/05/dream-racer.html

And contacted them too re. their Dream-Gamer work. Looks like a big candidate for reconfigurable controls being included in games with additional assist modes (e.g. latching accellerators and auto-fire modes).

Barrie


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reid Kimball" <reid at rbkdesign.com>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: [games_access] cool tech from UK


> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6625145.stm
> 
> Wearable hat controls remote control car for disabled. Also can be
> used in PS1 and PS2 games. It's similar to that Aprils Fools joke of
> the wearable hat Wii controller or NavPoint device.
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sat May 12 04:45:53 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 09:45:53 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Head Controls section added to OneSwitch Accessible
	Gaming Shop
Message-ID: <031201c79471$f4ddf270$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>

I've nearly got the Accessible Gaming Shop out of "under construction" status, after adding a head-controllers section.

http://www.oneswitch.org.uk/1/AGS/AGS-head.htm

A really good discovery for me was the TetraMouse - a highly affordable ($140 USD) dual joystick that can be controlled by head and even by a person's tongue.

http://tetramouse.com/index.html

All tying up with the Game-Accessibility.com forum on head-tracker compatible games

http://www.game-accessibility.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=32


Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sun May 13 07:11:10 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:11:10 +0100
Subject: [games_access] EA Air Hockey: Designing A One-Button Mobile Game:
	Part One
Message-ID: <007801c7954f$6a02c570$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>

http://www.gamesondeck.com/feature/1389/ea_air_hockey_designing_a_.php

Found this thanks to OddBob at www.RetroRemakes.com

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk
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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Mon May 14 13:16:00 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:16:00 -0400
Subject: [games_access] EA Air Hockey: Designing A One-Button Mobile
	Game:Part One
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzE9yYA
References: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzE9yYA
Message-ID: <01d201c7964b$8d3ff100$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

This is excellent.  Do you know where I can find other breakdowns of this
kind of explanation of how they did the one-button controls?  I'm going to
use this article as a discussion for our top-secret task part of the first
milestone which is the task of controls.  We are at that level right now.
If anyone would like to help make our online racing game accessible I will
bring some links to our game design document, to homepage and the wiki page
so you can find out what kind of game it is.  All of your input would be
great.

 

Robert

www.RobertFlorio.com  

 

 

  _____  

From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Barrie Ellis
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:11 AM
To: IGDA GA mailing list
Subject: [games_access] EA Air Hockey: Designing A One-Button Mobile
Game:Part One

 

http://www.gamesondeck.com/feature/1389/ea_air_hockey_designing_a_.php

 

Found this thanks to OddBob at www.RetroRemakes.com

 

Barrie

www.OneSwitch.org.uk

 

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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Mon May 14 17:38:58 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:38:58 +0100
Subject: [games_access] EA Air Hockey: Designing A One-Button
	MobileGame:Part One
References: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzE9yYA
	<01d201c7964b$8d3ff100$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
Message-ID: <034b01c79670$488b22d0$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>

Hi Robert,

You can actually play the game on-line via this link:

http://switchgaming.blogspot.com/2007/05/ea-air-hockey-designing-one-button.html

As for other write ups of one-switch games, I'm guessing you've seen these?

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050602/green_01.shtml
http://switchgaming.blogspot.com/2006/12/interview-with-chris-roper.html

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert Florio 
  To: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List' 
  Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 6:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [games_access] EA Air Hockey: Designing A One-Button MobileGame:Part One


  This is excellent.  Do you know where I can find other breakdowns of this kind of explanation of how they did the one-button controls?  I'm going to use this article as a discussion for our top-secret task part of the first milestone which is the task of controls.  We are at that level right now.  If anyone would like to help make our online racing game accessible I will bring some links to our game design document, to homepage and the wiki page so you can find out what kind of game it is.  All of your input would be great.

   

  Robert

  www.RobertFlorio.com  

   

   


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  From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf Of Barrie Ellis
  Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:11 AM
  To: IGDA GA mailing list
  Subject: [games_access] EA Air Hockey: Designing A One-Button Mobile Game:Part One

   

  http://www.gamesondeck.com/feature/1389/ea_air_hockey_designing_a_.php

   

  Found this thanks to OddBob at www.RetroRemakes.com

   

  Barrie

  www.OneSwitch.org.uk

   



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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Mon May 14 18:42:58 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:42:58 -0400
Subject: [games_access] please vote for Roberts scholarship entry to win!
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzE9yYA
References: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzE9yYA
Message-ID: <000c01c79679$3a060230$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

I applied for a $10,000 scholarship one will be given to one art Institute
online student and one art Institute on campus student.  I hope he will
support me they are accepting a maximum of 100 votes of each person's entry.
The top 10% most votes will get voted on by the panel of judges and there is
only until June 1 to vote for me.  You might have to enter your e-mail but I
hope he will do this.  This is something I really need and could support me
tremendously.  It might be slightly hard to read not sure why they didn't
put a white background behind the lettering.  I'll have to request that.

 

I hope all of you can vote for me giving the tremendous support a given this
effort of working with all of you and promoting game accessibility 100%.
This is just something that will help me to do that even more in what my
dream possibilities come true.

 

Thank you so much.

 

The link is here.

 

http://scholarship.aionline.edu/entry.aspx?id=599 

 

Robert Florio

 

www.RobertFlorio.com  

 

 

  _____  

From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Barrie Ellis
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:11 AM
To: IGDA GA mailing list
Subject: [games_access] EA Air Hockey: Designing A One-Button Mobile
Game:Part One

 

http://www.gamesondeck.com/feature/1389/ea_air_hockey_designing_a_.php

 

Found this thanks to OddBob at www.RetroRemakes.com

 

Barrie

www.OneSwitch.org.uk

 

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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May 15 00:33:34 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 23:33:34 -0500
Subject: [games_access] please vote for Roberts scholarship entry to win!
In-Reply-To: <000c01c79679$3a060230$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
References: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzE9yYA
	<000c01c79679$3a060230$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
Message-ID: <p06230935c26ee7e66ead@[130.126.29.76]>

Hi -- I've been sick all weekend and was having to grade my 100+ 
student's projects so I fell off the face of the earth a bit (yes, it 
was my monthly chronic evil pain that completely leaves me curled up 
into a ball and needs multiple ER trips...sigh...).

BUT! I just voted for you Robert --- everyone, it's really easy to 
place a vote from the link below so please take a few moments to do 
so. This could really help Robert realize his post-graduate dreams!

Michelle

>I applied for a $10,000 scholarship one will be given to one art 
>Institute online student and one art Institute on campus student.  I 
>hope he will support me they are accepting a maximum of 100 votes of 
>each person's entry.  The top 10% most votes will get voted on by 
>the panel of judges and there is only until June 1 to vote for me. 
>You might have to enter your e-mail but I hope he will do this. 
>This is something I really need and could support me tremendously. 
>It might be slightly hard to read not sure why they didn't put a 
>white background behind the lettering.  I'll have to request that.
>
>I hope all of you can vote for me giving the tremendous support a 
>given this effort of working with all of you and promoting game 
>accessibility 100%.  This is just something that will help me to do 
>that even more in what my dream possibilities come true.
>
>Thank you so much.
>
>The link is here.
>
><http://scholarship.aionline.edu/entry.aspx?id=599>http://scholarship.aionline.edu/entry.aspx?id=599
>
>Robert Florio
>
>www.RobertFlorio.com  
>
>
>
>From: games_access-bounces at igda.org 
>[mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf Of Barrie Ellis
>Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:11 AM
>To: IGDA GA mailing list
>Subject: [games_access] EA Air Hockey: Designing A One-Button Mobile 
>Game:Part One
>
><http://www.gamesondeck.com/feature/1389/ea_air_hockey_designing_a_.php>http://www.gamesondeck.com/feature/1389/ea_air_hockey_designing_a_.php
>
>Found this thanks to OddBob at 
><http://www.RetroRemakes.com>www.RetroRemakes.com
>
>Barrie
><http://www.OneSwitch.org.uk>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
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>games_access at igda.org
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From gramenos at ics.forth.gr  Tue May 15 05:22:06 2007
From: gramenos at ics.forth.gr (Dimitris Grammenos)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:22:06 +0300
Subject: [games_access] please vote for Roberts scholarship entry to win!
In-Reply-To: <000c01c79679$3a060230$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
Message-ID: <20070515092109.93A7B8E40FC@mailhost.ics.forth.gr>

Hello Robert,

 

I just voted too. Good luck!

 

Dimitris

 

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From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Robert Florio
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 1:43 AM
To: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [games_access] please vote for Roberts scholarship entry to
win!

 

I applied for a $10,000 scholarship one will be given to one art Institute
online student and one art Institute on campus student.  I hope he will
support me they are accepting a maximum of 100 votes of each person's entry.
The top 10% most votes will get voted on by the panel of judges and there is
only until June 1 to vote for me.  You might have to enter your e-mail but I
hope he will do this.  This is something I really need and could support me
tremendously.  It might be slightly hard to read not sure why they didn't
put a white background behind the lettering.  I'll have to request that.

 

I hope all of you can vote for me giving the tremendous support a given this
effort of working with all of you and promoting game accessibility 100%.
This is just something that will help me to do that even more in what my
dream possibilities come true.

 

Thank you so much.

 

The link is here.

 

http://scholarship.aionline.edu/entry.aspx?id=599 

 

Robert Florio

 

www.RobertFlorio.com  

 

 

  _____  

From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Barrie Ellis
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:11 AM
To: IGDA GA mailing list
Subject: [games_access] EA Air Hockey: Designing A One-Button Mobile
Game:Part One

 

http://www.gamesondeck.com/feature/1389/ea_air_hockey_designing_a_.php

 

Found this thanks to OddBob at www.RetroRemakes.com

 

Barrie

www.OneSwitch.org.uk

 

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From cataclysmicknight at gmail.com  Tue May 15 09:43:59 2007
From: cataclysmicknight at gmail.com (Charles Jackson)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:43:59 -0400
Subject: [games_access] please vote for Roberts scholarship entry to win!
In-Reply-To: <20070515092109.93A7B8E40FC@mailhost.ics.forth.gr>
References: <000c01c79679$3a060230$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<20070515092109.93A7B8E40FC@mailhost.ics.forth.gr>
Message-ID: <e6c81eb70705150643m2acc594djd15b5f5869983267@mail.gmail.com>

LOL I'll be honest - when I first saw this email, I assumed it was
junk, but then I read the replies and figured what the heck, I'll take
a look. Awesome artwork, and even more awesome essay!! Couldn't resist
voting for it, and for anyone else who thought this was BS, go vote,
it really is good!! :)

-- 
Crush the Critters: a Whack-a-Mole adventure for your feet! Request
the first beta, coming soon.

On the Great Games Experiment:
http://www.greatgamesexperiment.com/game/crushthecritters/

The Developer Blog: http://hedonismgames.blogspot.com


From kjb at it.rit.edu  Tue May 15 11:20:13 2007
From: kjb at it.rit.edu (Kevin J. Bierre)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:20:13 -0400
Subject: [games_access] please vote for Roberts scholarship entry to win!
In-Reply-To: <000c01c79679$3a060230$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
References: <AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzE9yYA>
	<000c01c79679$3a060230$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
Message-ID: <fc.004c519f019d9e8d3b9aca00b17b2520.19d9e95@it.rit.edu>

Robert,

You have my vote. Nice essay, I hope you get the scholarship.

Kevin Bierre,  Assistant Professor                                                       (kjb at it.rit.edu)
Information Technology,  Rochester Institute of Technology                585-475-5358
102 Lomb Memorial Drive                                                                       Bldg 70-2637
Rochester, NY 14623




From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May 15 12:04:27 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:04:27 -0500
Subject: [games_access] VOTE: Robert Florio's Scholarship Entry
In-Reply-To: <e6c81eb70705150643m2acc594djd15b5f5869983267@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000c01c79679$3a060230$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<20070515092109.93A7B8E40FC@mailhost.ics.forth.gr>
	<e6c81eb70705150643m2acc594djd15b5f5869983267@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230938c26f891027ab@[130.126.29.76]>

Hi Charles!

Yep, Robert is GOOD! Scratch that...GREAT! So come on everyone -- it 
takes hardly any time to vote and let's help Robert on his quest to 
start up an accessible game company!

Remember...you only have until June 1st! To vote, go to:

<http://scholarship.aionline.edu/entry.aspx?id=599>http://scholarship.aionline.edu/entry.aspx?id=599

On a side note...Charles...we are working with GarageGames to set up 
a hub for promoting accessible games as well as reviews for 
mainstream games that have accessible features. So I'm excited that 
you are already on GGE! Can't wait for the beta!

Michelle

>LOL I'll be honest - when I first saw this email, I assumed it was
>junk, but then I read the replies and figured what the heck, I'll take
>a look. Awesome artwork, and even more awesome essay!! Couldn't resist
>voting for it, and for anyone else who thought this was BS, go vote,
>it really is good!! :)
>
>--
>Crush the Critters: a Whack-a-Mole adventure for your feet! Request
>the first beta, coming soon.
>
>On the Great Games Experiment:
>http://www.greatgamesexperiment.com/game/crushthecritters/
>
>The Developer Blog: http://hedonismgames.blogspot.com
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Tue May 15 13:02:33 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:02:33 -0400
Subject: [games_access] EA Air Hockey: Designing A
	One-ButtonMobileGame:Part One
In-Reply-To: <034b01c79670$488b22d0$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
References: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzE9yYA<01d201c7964b$8d3ff100$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<034b01c79670$488b22d0$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <00bd01c79712$d628ebc0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

I'll definitely use that.  We've been discussing this game and some others
from your web site for the top-secret game.  We are on the controls design
now.  I think any to put together a better comprehensive update but
something that others can put input into.  It really know is a lot easier
for everyone who's interested to login and see what the discussion is really
to give their input.  But I can post here something we are thinking of.  A
visual.

 

Robert

 

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From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Barrie Ellis
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 5:39 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] EA Air Hockey: Designing A
One-ButtonMobileGame:Part One

 

Hi Robert,

 

You can actually play the game on-line via this link:

 

http://switchgaming.blogspot.com/2007/05/ea-air-hockey-designing-one-button.
html

 

As for other write ups of one-switch games, I'm guessing you've seen these?

 

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050602/green_01.shtml

http://switchgaming.blogspot.com/2006/12/interview-with-chris-roper.html

 

Barrie

www.OneSwitch.org.uk

 

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Robert <mailto:arthit73 at cablespeed.com>  Florio 

To: 'IGDA Games <mailto:games_access at igda.org>  Accessibility SIG Mailing
List' 

Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 6:16 PM

Subject: Re: [games_access] EA Air Hockey: Designing A One-Button
MobileGame:Part One

 

This is excellent.  Do you know where I can find other breakdowns of this
kind of explanation of how they did the one-button controls?  I'm going to
use this article as a discussion for our top-secret task part of the first
milestone which is the task of controls.  We are at that level right now.
If anyone would like to help make our online racing game accessible I will
bring some links to our game design document, to homepage and the wiki page
so you can find out what kind of game it is.  All of your input would be
great.

 

Robert

www.RobertFlorio.com  

 

 


  _____  


From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Barrie Ellis
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:11 AM
To: IGDA GA mailing list
Subject: [games_access] EA Air Hockey: Designing A One-Button Mobile
Game:Part One

 

http://www.gamesondeck.com/feature/1389/ea_air_hockey_designing_a_.php

 

Found this thanks to OddBob at www.RetroRemakes.com

 

Barrie

www.OneSwitch.org.uk

 


  _____  


_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Tue May 15 13:09:19 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:09:19 -0400
Subject: [games_access] please vote for Roberts scholarship entry to win!
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzEDCcA
References: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzE9yYA<000c01c79679$3a060230$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzEDCcA
Message-ID: <00ca01c79713$c8823de0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

With all of that pain.  You're so strong though to go through with it.
Things like that happened to me I am already weak I need two people to hold
me down.  Actually I'm already down just comfort.

 

Thank you for doing that for me if anyone has more than one e-mail address
they can register more votes.  Please thanks.

 

Robert

the link.

 <http://scholarship.aionline.edu/entry.aspx?id=599>
http://scholarship.aionline.edu/entry.aspx?id=599

 

 

  _____  

From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:34 AM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] please vote for Roberts scholarship entry to
win!

 

Hi -- I've been sick all weekend and was having to grade my 100+ student's
projects so I fell off the face of the earth a bit (yes, it was my monthly
chronic evil pain that completely leaves me curled up into a ball and needs
multiple ER trips...sigh...).

 

BUT! I just voted for you Robert --- everyone, it's really easy to place a
vote from the link below so please take a few moments to do so. This could
really help Robert realize his post-graduate dreams!

 

Michelle

 

I applied for a $10,000 scholarship one will be given to one art Institute
online student and one art Institute on campus student.  I hope he will
support me they are accepting a maximum of 100 votes of each person's entry.
The top 10% most votes will get voted on by the panel of judges and there is
only until June 1 to vote for me.  You might have to enter your e-mail but I
hope he will do this.  This is something I really need and could support me
tremendously.  It might be slightly hard to read not sure why they didn't
put a white background behind the lettering.  I'll have to request that.

 

I hope all of you can vote for me giving the tremendous support a given this
effort of working with all of you and promoting game accessibility 100%.
This is just something that will help me to do that even more in what my
dream possibilities come true.

 

Thank you so much.

 

The link is here.

 

 <http://scholarship.aionline.edu/entry.aspx?id=599>
http://scholarship.aionline.edu/entry.aspx?id=599

 

Robert Florio

 

www.RobertFlorio.com  

 

 


  _____  


From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Barrie Ellis
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:11 AM
To: IGDA GA mailing list
Subject: [games_access] EA Air Hockey: Designing A One-Button Mobile
Game:Part One

 

 <http://www.gamesondeck.com/feature/1389/ea_air_hockey_designing_a_.php>
http://www.gamesondeck.com/feature/1389/ea_air_hockey_designing_a_.php

 

Found this thanks to OddBob at  <http://www.RetroRemakes.com>
www.RetroRemakes.com

 

Barrie

 <http://www.OneSwitch.org.uk> www.OneSwitch.org.uk

 


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games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

 

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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Tue May 15 13:10:52 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:10:52 -0400
Subject: [games_access] please vote for Roberts scholarship entry to win!
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIwEDycA
References: <000c01c79679$3a060230$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIwEDycA
Message-ID: <00d401c79713$fff5a550$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

Thank you.  If you have more than one e-mail address you can vote multiple
times.  Again thank you.

Robert

 

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From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Dimitris Grammenos
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:22 AM
To: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [games_access] please vote for Roberts scholarship entry to
win!

 

Hello Robert,

 

I just voted too. Good luck!

 

Dimitris

 

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From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Robert Florio
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 1:43 AM
To: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [games_access] please vote for Roberts scholarship entry to
win!

 

I applied for a $10,000 scholarship one will be given to one art Institute
online student and one art Institute on campus student.  I hope he will
support me they are accepting a maximum of 100 votes of each person's entry.
The top 10% most votes will get voted on by the panel of judges and there is
only until June 1 to vote for me.  You might have to enter your e-mail but I
hope he will do this.  This is something I really need and could support me
tremendously.  It might be slightly hard to read not sure why they didn't
put a white background behind the lettering.  I'll have to request that.

 

I hope all of you can vote for me giving the tremendous support a given this
effort of working with all of you and promoting game accessibility 100%.
This is just something that will help me to do that even more in what my
dream possibilities come true.

 

Thank you so much.

 

The link is here.

 

http://scholarship.aionline.edu/entry.aspx?id=599 

 

Robert Florio

 

www.RobertFlorio.com  

 

 

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From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Barrie Ellis
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:11 AM
To: IGDA GA mailing list
Subject: [games_access] EA Air Hockey: Designing A One-Button Mobile
Game:Part One

 

http://www.gamesondeck.com/feature/1389/ea_air_hockey_designing_a_.php

 

Found this thanks to OddBob at www.RetroRemakes.com

 

Barrie

www.OneSwitch.org.uk

 

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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Tue May 15 13:15:28 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:15:28 -0400
Subject: [games_access] please vote for Roberts scholarship entry to win!
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIykEicA
References: <AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzE9yYA><000c01c79679$3a060230$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIykEicA
Message-ID: <00e001c79714$a413ce50$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

Thank you tremendously.  If you have more than one e-mail address you can
vote more than once.  Thank you again.  I'm glad you enjoyed my essay.  I
really do enjoy writing.
Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Kevin J. Bierre
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:20 AM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] please vote for Roberts scholarship entry to
win!

Robert,

You have my vote. Nice essay, I hope you get the scholarship.

Kevin Bierre,  Assistant Professor
(kjb at it.rit.edu)
Information Technology,  Rochester Institute of Technology
585-475-5358
102 Lomb Memorial Drive
Bldg 70-2637
Rochester, NY 14623


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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Tue May 15 13:23:05 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:23:05 -0400
Subject: [games_access] VOTE: Robert Florio's Scholarship Entry
	(top-secret update)
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzEEicA
References: <000c01c79679$3a060230$6501a8c0@Inspiron><20070515092109.93A7B8E40FC@mailhost.ics.forth.gr><e6c81eb70705150643m2acc594djd15b5f5869983267@mail.gmail.com>
	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzEEicA
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I need to get better with my titles.  I think I say you Michelle a personal
e-mail.  I should've put my name right in the title at her.  Sorry.  Thank
you so much for helping me to promote this.  Tremendously.  You guys are
great avenue.

 

Update top-secret game.

 

I really need to meet with all of you so if you have a meeting coming up
soon let me know so I can best let you figure out how to help out with the
game.  I have tremendous support we are really launching the controls design
now.  A lot of designers who are volunteers like myself are really inspired
by what I started and they're jumping on board with the controls were trying
to make it accessible across the board all the areas.

 

Our first community meeting with David was not very informal I didn't get to
get a lot of questions answered but he did stress his desires.  He wanted
the game to be extremely easy to play but also another side of it to be
challenging enough for the advanced gamers.

 

Check out the web site.  There is a beginners link on their and also update
to the updated current tasks.  We just completed level, character, beast,
weapons designs.  I did a bunch of drawings teamed up with people.

 

I just applied to be the animation director.

 

A tremendous experience.

 

wiki.

http://www.videogameteam.com/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ 

 

Official page.

http://www.videogameteam.com/joomla/ 

 

Direct link to the controls discussion.

 http://phpbb.acclaim.com/topsecret/viewtopic.php?t=4455 

 

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From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:04 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: [games_access] VOTE: Robert Florio's Scholarship Entry

 

Hi Charles!

 

Yep, Robert is GOOD! Scratch that...GREAT! So come on everyone -- it takes
hardly any time to vote and let's help Robert on his quest to start up an
accessible game company!

 

Remember...you only have until June 1st! To vote, go to:

 

 <http://scholarship.aionline.edu/entry.aspx?id=599>
http://scholarship.aionline.edu/entry.aspx?id=599

 

On a side note...Charles...we are working with GarageGames to set up a hub
for promoting accessible games as well as reviews for mainstream games that
have accessible features. So I'm excited that you are already on GGE! Can't
wait for the beta!

 

Michelle

 

LOL I'll be honest - when I first saw this email, I assumed it was
junk, but then I read the replies and figured what the heck, I'll take
a look. Awesome artwork, and even more awesome essay!! Couldn't resist
voting for it, and for anyone else who thought this was BS, go vote,
it really is good!! :)

--
Crush the Critters: a Whack-a-Mole adventure for your feet! Request
the first beta, coming soon.

On the Great Games Experiment:
http://www.greatgamesexperiment.com/game/crushthecritters/

The Developer Blog: http://hedonismgames.blogspot.com
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From s.huiberts at bartimeus.nl  Tue May 15 16:07:45 2007
From: s.huiberts at bartimeus.nl (Sander Huiberts)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:07:45 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Betr.: Re:  Accessible Adult Entertainment,
	Censorship and Accessibility
Message-ID: <s64a2f4f.043@ZST02>

As far as I know, Eelke is not from Amsterdam. :)

And, after signing a girl's breast at a gig this saturday a week after I
got the first panties thrown at my head (yes, pink of course) I think I
will not say anything about sex. Both not in Amsterdam by the way.

But I think asking Brenda is a good one! So we have a little mixing up
of SIG's here...
Sander

============================
Sander Huiberts, MA

Stichting Accessibility
Informatie, voorlichting, onderzoek en training

Oudenoord 325
3513 EP Utrecht

Tel. +31 (0)30 239 8270
Fax. +31 (0)30 239 8238
www.accessibility.nl 

Zie voor disclaimer onze website:
www.accessibility.nl/algemeen/disclaimer 

Read our disclaimer on the website:
www.accessibility.nl/algemeen/disclaimer 
============================
>>> hinn at uiuc.edu 10-05-07 4:21 >>>
You aren't the only Amsterdam guy on this list (*cough* eelke *cough* 
sander *cough*)...but the bigger issue is that you pose this inquiry 
and then LEAVE for a sunny vacation? Unfair!

But you do raise an interesting point and I'm going to ask Brenda 
Brathwaite if she knows of any parallels for sound censorship. I mean 
obviously there is song lyrics censorship (on the US radio and then 
those stickers they put on CDs so that kids can't buy them...in the 
US). But I'm not sure what they would consider a "lyric" -- this 
probably is handled by some sort of legislation but I don't know if 
it refers to other mediums like games (and is a "cd" a different 
medium than a "mp3"?)

Just a quick scan of some sites, I found quite a lot of protest sites 
that seem to have originated as music censorship sites but now are 
branching out, like this one (started as a school project for 
someone):

http://www.theroc.org/updates/legislat.htm

Then even before the warning stickers was the radio and bans on radio 
include lyrics in songs AND what the DJ says. Now a sound that is 
sexually suggestive *might* not be banned (Howard Stern certainly has 
done that many times).

Here's a HUGE rundown on wikipedia that covers the US:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Censorship_in_the_United_States

So...I honestly have no idea about this and games so I will defer to 
Brenda and see what she knows about it -- I'm sure that as the "sex 
in games" SIG chair, she has a lot to say. :) Will post her response 
as soon as I get it!

Michelle

>Hi,
>
>Encountered this news item about an accessible porn website for the 
>visually and auditory impaired:
>
>http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=48266
>
>So porn that includes closed captions and auditory descriptions. Not 
>that the blind haven't been enjoying auditory porn for centuries, 
>but, oh well... Interestingly, I recently encountered this news 
>item, about a blind man being being charged for listening to child 
>porn:
>
>http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,1000000097,2089959,00.htm
>
>Not that I condone someone seemingly enjoying real child porn, but 
>this issue got my interest because in games there's the whole 
>censorship going on with extreme violence and sex, etc?  So how does 
>that kind of censorship relate to alternatives. What I mean is: in 
>an audio game (so without visuals) but only sound, what do terms 
>like "Blood and Gore, Intense Violence, Nudity" 
>(http://www.esrb.org/ratings/) mean?
>
>Greets,
>
>Richard (yeah, the Amsterdam guy)
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From s.huiberts at bartimeus.nl  Tue May 15 16:10:22 2007
From: s.huiberts at bartimeus.nl (Sander Huiberts)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:10:22 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Betr.:  VOTE: Robert Florio's Scholarship Entry
Message-ID: <s64a2fea.044@ZST02>

Hi Robert,

I voted...good luck and I hope you'll win!

Sander

============================
Sander Huiberts, MA

Stichting Accessibility
Informatie, voorlichting, onderzoek en training

Oudenoord 325
3513 EP Utrecht

Tel. +31 (0)30 239 8270
Fax. +31 (0)30 239 8238
www.accessibility.nl 

Zie voor disclaimer onze website:
www.accessibility.nl/algemeen/disclaimer 

Read our disclaimer on the website:
www.accessibility.nl/algemeen/disclaimer 
============================
>>> hinn at uiuc.edu 15-05-07 18:04 >>>
Hi Charles!

Yep, Robert is GOOD! Scratch that...GREAT! So come on everyone -- it 
takes hardly any time to vote and let's help Robert on his quest to 
start up an accessible game company!

Remember...you only have until June 1st! To vote, go to:

<http://scholarship.aionline.edu/entry.aspx?id=599>http://scholarship.aionline.edu/entry.aspx?id=599

On a side note...Charles...we are working with GarageGames to set up 
a hub for promoting accessible games as well as reviews for 
mainstream games that have accessible features. So I'm excited that 
you are already on GGE! Can't wait for the beta!

Michelle

>LOL I'll be honest - when I first saw this email, I assumed it was
>junk, but then I read the replies and figured what the heck, I'll take
>a look. Awesome artwork, and even more awesome essay!! Couldn't resist
>voting for it, and for anyone else who thought this was BS, go vote,
>it really is good!! :)
>
>--
>Crush the Critters: a Whack-a-Mole adventure for your feet! Request
>the first beta, coming soon.
>
>On the Great Games Experiment:
>http://www.greatgamesexperiment.com/game/crushthecritters/
>
>The Developer Blog: http://hedonismgames.blogspot.com
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May 15 16:50:50 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:50:50 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Betr.: Re:  Accessible Adult Entertainment,
 Censorship and Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <s64a2f4f.043@ZST02>
References: <s64a2f4f.043@ZST02>
Message-ID: <p0623093ac26fc53b418c@[130.126.29.76]>

Sander...

Never mind. I don't want to know. ;)

But...since you reminded me...here's the answer from Brenda Brathwaite:

>Regarding the question that appeared in the SIG,
>there's no clear cut dividing line when it comes to
>stuff like this. Due to the way that games are rated
>(a panel of three individuals, each with some training
>in ratings and experience with children), the
>individuals try to reach consensus on a rating based
>what they're reviewing and the context in which it
>appears. So, it's not strictly limited to visuals.
>Lyrics in songs have affected ratings. A game in which
>a woman moaned in the dark (i.e. a black screen) would
>still be sexual content.

So...it seems that the ESRB rating system for games is VERY 
subjective. I actually had no idea...so it would seem that, yes, 
audio cues are also included in the rating system so an audio game 
with explicit sexual themes that went commercial would have a hard 
time getting away with anything less than an "M" (Mature) rating, if 
it didn't automatically get the "AO" (Adults Only) rating. And I 
don't think it takes very much sexual content to cross over to AO -- 
as Rockstar Games found out when their GTA "mod" was unveiled a while 
back.

It's my feeling that the "sex in games" SIG does agree with some sort 
of "alert system" (and so might a "gore in games" or "violence in 
games" SIG if they existed) even if it's not the current system of 
ratings. Wouldn't it be great, though, if and when that day comes 
that a company has to fight to avoid a "NA" (Not Accessible) rating? 
Or...maybe that, too, is a form of censorship? Certainly INaccessible 
games can be considered a form of censorship...no matter WHAT the 
content of the game is.

And...it would sure be interesting to see how much attention game 
accessibility could get this fall when I start teaching my game 
design class based on accessible design guidelines AND using Brenda's 
book ("Sex in Games") as required reading...perhaps we'll submit it 
to the ESRB? Because nothing brings people rushing on over than a 
good controversy...

Hmmmmm...wheels turning...

Michelle

P.S. Eelke -- I apologize for lumping you in with the Amsterdam contingent. :)

>As far as I know, Eelke is not from Amsterdam. :)
>
>And, after signing a girl's breast at a gig this saturday a week after I
>got the first panties thrown at my head (yes, pink of course) I think I
>will not say anything about sex. Both not in Amsterdam by the way.
>
>But I think asking Brenda is a good one! So we have a little mixing up
>of SIG's here...
>Sander
>
>============================
>Sander Huiberts, MA
>
>Stichting Accessibility
>Informatie, voorlichting, onderzoek en training
>
>Oudenoord 325
>3513 EP Utrecht
>
>Tel. +31 (0)30 239 8270
>Fax. +31 (0)30 239 8238
>www.accessibility.nl
>
>Zie voor disclaimer onze website:
>www.accessibility.nl/algemeen/disclaimer
>
>Read our disclaimer on the website:
>www.accessibility.nl/algemeen/disclaimer
>============================
>>>>  hinn at uiuc.edu 10-05-07 4:21 >>>
>You aren't the only Amsterdam guy on this list (*cough* eelke *cough*
>sander *cough*)...but the bigger issue is that you pose this inquiry
>and then LEAVE for a sunny vacation? Unfair!
>
>But you do raise an interesting point and I'm going to ask Brenda
>Brathwaite if she knows of any parallels for sound censorship. I mean
>obviously there is song lyrics censorship (on the US radio and then
>those stickers they put on CDs so that kids can't buy them...in the
>US). But I'm not sure what they would consider a "lyric" -- this
>probably is handled by some sort of legislation but I don't know if
>it refers to other mediums like games (and is a "cd" a different
>medium than a "mp3"?)
>
>Just a quick scan of some sites, I found quite a lot of protest sites
>that seem to have originated as music censorship sites but now are
>branching out, like this one (started as a school project for
>someone):
>
>http://www.theroc.org/updates/legislat.htm
>
>Then even before the warning stickers was the radio and bans on radio
>include lyrics in songs AND what the DJ says. Now a sound that is
>sexually suggestive *might* not be banned (Howard Stern certainly has
>done that many times).
>
>Here's a HUGE rundown on wikipedia that covers the US:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Censorship_in_the_United_States
>
>So...I honestly have no idea about this and games so I will defer to
>Brenda and see what she knows about it -- I'm sure that as the "sex
>in games" SIG chair, she has a lot to say. :) Will post her response
>as soon as I get it!
>
>Michelle
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Encountered this news item about an accessible porn website for the
>>visually and auditory impaired:
>>
>>http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=48266
>>
>>So porn that includes closed captions and auditory descriptions. Not
>>that the blind haven't been enjoying auditory porn for centuries,
>>but, oh well... Interestingly, I recently encountered this news
>>item, about a blind man being being charged for listening to child
>>porn:
>>
>>http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,1000000097,2089959,00.htm
>>
>>Not that I condone someone seemingly enjoying real child porn, but
>>this issue got my interest because in games there's the whole
>>censorship going on with extreme violence and sex, etc?  So how does
>>that kind of censorship relate to alternatives. What I mean is: in
>>an audio game (so without visuals) but only sound, what do terms
>>like "Blood and Gore, Intense Violence, Nudity"
>>(http://www.esrb.org/ratings/) mean?
>>
>>Greets,
>>
>>Richard (yeah, the Amsterdam guy)
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From ladysekhmet.dj at gmail.com  Thu May 17 09:39:33 2007
From: ladysekhmet.dj at gmail.com (DJ Bono)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 09:39:33 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Robert's Scholarship
Message-ID: <21e80ec20705170639v6221ades3bd29396ffb001ee@mail.gmail.com>

I voted for you Robert! I spent the last 40 mins reading your website, and
your story for the scholarship (and yes, you're right, it's hard to read on
white background!)...and I was truely inspired!
  I wish you best of luck in everything that you do! Your artwork is
amazing....my art work is just stick people. LOL!!

    Good luck with the scholarship!
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From agdev at thechases.com  Thu May 17 12:55:58 2007
From: agdev at thechases.com (Tim Chase)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:55:58 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Another Gamasutra article on gaming accessibility
Message-ID: <464C891E.3070106@thechases.com>

Another Gamasutra article, thanks to Eelke:

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/1408/designing_usable_and_accessible_.php

-tim




From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu May 17 13:35:29 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:35:29 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Another Gamasutra article on gaming accessibility
In-Reply-To: <464C891E.3070106@thechases.com>
References: <464C891E.3070106@thechases.com>
Message-ID: <p06230941c27240403391@[130.126.29.76]>

Ah cool -- just in time to include in my month of blogging at Terra 
Nova (http://terranova.blogs.com).

Just as a request to help get more people involved on the mailing 
list -- it'd be great if everyone could point to the SIG list 
(http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access) when they 
can. I'm learning on Terra Nova (as we've learned in other forums) 
that few people know we exist (and we don't have an advertising 
budget...well, or any budget).

I'm working on the redesign of the SIG website so for now the mailing 
list is the best place to point people to in online articles and 
such. And by no means am I saying that every paper is or should be a 
"SIG" paper -- it would just be great to provide people with a way of 
getting in contact with all of us or even any one of us.

But besides that...GREAT article Eelke! You should be proud of it!

Michelle

>Another Gamasutra article, thanks to Eelke:
>
>http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/1408/designing_usable_and_accessible_.php
>
>-tim
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Fri May 18 11:09:37 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:09:37 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Another Gamasutra article on gaming accessibility
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIxkLicA
References: <464C891E.3070106@thechases.com> AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIxkLicA
Message-ID: <006001c7995e$8ee534f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

We should put that link on our homepages or one of our pages.  I'll do that
when I get a chance.  To get people to sign up.

 

Is that web link you posted how people join or what does that send you to?

Robert

 

www.RobertFlorio.com  

 

 

Again I am looking for a lot of support to a vote for my scholarship by June
1.  I've sent out hundreds of e-mails getting hundreds of votes but I still
don't see my entry on the page of most popular.  Either because I last own
lists people aren't seeing it or other people have it a lot larger e-mail
list from their personal e-mail list to send out because my story truly is
one that deserves the scholarship.  You can go to the link below if you
haven't already a truly would appreciate anyone support on this list.  You
can use more than one e-mail address.  Please tell your friends.  Thank you
tremendously.

 

The link is below.  Just enter your e-mail address.

http://scholarship.aionline.edu/entry.aspx?id=599 

 

thank you

Robert

 

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From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:35 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] Another Gamasutra article on gaming
accessibility

 

Ah cool -- just in time to include in my month of blogging at Terra Nova
(http://terranova.blogs.com).

 

Just as a request to help get more people involved on the mailing list --
it'd be great if everyone could point to the SIG list
(http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access) when they can. I'm
learning on Terra Nova (as we've learned in other forums) that few people
know we exist (and we don't have an advertising budget...well, or any
budget).

 

I'm working on the redesign of the SIG website so for now the mailing list
is the best place to point people to in online articles and such. And by no
means am I saying that every paper is or should be a "SIG" paper -- it would
just be great to provide people with a way of getting in contact with all of
us or even any one of us.

 

But besides that...GREAT article Eelke! You should be proud of it!

 

Michelle

 

Another Gamasutra article, thanks to Eelke:

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/1408/designing_usable_and_accessible_.
php

-tim


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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Fri May 18 11:19:40 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:19:40 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Another Gamasutra article on gaming accessibility
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIykLicA
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Thank you Tim I just put that link on my game accessibility page.  Check it
out.
http://www.robertflorio.com/Game_Accessibility.html 

Does anyone know how to join this mailing list Michelle sent out a web site
linked to get more interest.  I want to put a direct link to join how do I
do that?  Is it simply just e-mail something to somewhere.

Robert

-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Tim Chase
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:56 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: [games_access] Another Gamasutra article on gaming accessibility

Another Gamasutra article, thanks to Eelke:

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/1408/designing_usable_and_accessible_.
php

-tim


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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri May 18 15:06:33 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 14:06:33 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Joining the SIG mailing list
In-Reply-To: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
References: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIykLicA
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Hi Robert --

To join the mailing list, you just need to fill out the form at this page:

http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

Our numbers on the mailing list are going up thanks to all the media 
and articles we've all been getting out there so that's great!

Michelle

>Thank you Tim I just put that link on my game accessibility page.  Check it
>out.
>http://www.robertflorio.com/Game_Accessibility.html
>
>Does anyone know how to join this mailing list Michelle sent out a web site
>linked to get more interest.  I want to put a direct link to join how do I
>do that?  Is it simply just e-mail something to somewhere.
>
>Robert
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
>On Behalf Of Tim Chase
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:56 PM
>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>Subject: [games_access] Another Gamasutra article on gaming accessibility
>
>Another Gamasutra article, thanks to Eelke:
>
>http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/1408/designing_usable_and_accessible_.
>php
>
>-tim
>
>
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>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Sat May 19 11:11:56 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:11:56 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Joining the SIG mailing list
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIykOycA
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Message-ID: <000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

Thank you now I can send people there.
Robert

-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 3:07 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: [games_access] Joining the SIG mailing list

Hi Robert --

To join the mailing list, you just need to fill out the form at this page:

http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

Our numbers on the mailing list are going up thanks to all the media 
and articles we've all been getting out there so that's great!

Michelle

>Thank you Tim I just put that link on my game accessibility page.  Check it
>out.
>http://www.robertflorio.com/Game_Accessibility.html
>
>Does anyone know how to join this mailing list Michelle sent out a web site
>linked to get more interest.  I want to put a direct link to join how do I
>do that?  Is it simply just e-mail something to somewhere.
>
>Robert
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
>On Behalf Of Tim Chase
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:56 PM
>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>Subject: [games_access] Another Gamasutra article on gaming accessibility
>
>Another Gamasutra article, thanks to Eelke:
>
>http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/1408/designing_usable_and_accessible_
.
>php
>
>-tim
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sat May 19 17:00:42 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:00:42 -0500
Subject: [games_access] MMOG Topics for Terra Nova?
In-Reply-To: <000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
References: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIykLicA<006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIykOycA
	<000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
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Hi everyone,

Anyone out there have any thoughts pertaining specifically to the 
accessibility of MMOGs like World of Warcraft and Second Life? I'm 
getting a lot of flack on Terra Nova at the moment and running out of 
things to say to help the readership understand that accessibility is 
an issue that should concern them (especially as they are used in 
schools) and, of course, the "return on investment" issue we're more 
than familiar with (I replied to one poster about why it's always 
JUST up to us to provide that info when we don't know what the 
industry average cost for adding in accessibility features are -- I 
have Reid's estimate of how much he could have made for every $5 
download of his Doom3 [cc] mod that I think will help that I'll write 
about over the weekend. But the Terra Nova crowd is ONLY interested 
in MMOGs (I know...I'm frustrated to no end) and I'm running out of 
ideas.

The website again is http://terranova.blogs.com

I have LOTS of ideas for posts but I don't think that they will be 
received well by the Terra Nova crowd -- if anyone can help me think 
through how to post about a particular topic, even if it's only very 
narrowly related, I'd appreciate it! For instance I want to post 
about one-switch, Robert's efforts, Eelke's paper, Dimitris' papers, 
Reid's work and more but I'm getting frustrated and I need your ideas 
and help.

I don't want to simply not finish out the month as I think that there 
are silent members who might be getting ideas and running with them 
to create accessible mods, etc (and I'm also a bit surprised that my 
fellow social scientists aren't taking the bait on debating how we 
view accessibility in our FIRST lives while our SECOND lives lag FAR 
behind...I think it would be interesting fodder for discussion but 
maybe that's because it's related to my dissertation topic!). But I'm 
mostly getting response from the companies and not academics and it's 
basically the same "no go" that we hear with other games...only it 
seems a bit worse, at least to me.

Eelke? Dimitris? I'd be especially interested in your ideas, as 
you've both written on design issues for games even if they aren't 
MMOGs (although, Eelke, I know you just had something about Dungeon 
Siege in your recent Gamasutra paper so I'll point to that). But 
anyone else...pipe up now so I can write about it (I'll cite you, of 
course!) before my blog month is up.

Thanks!
Michelle
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sat May 19 17:08:05 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:08:05 -0500
Subject: [games_access] SIG meetings restart next week
In-Reply-To: <464C891E.3070106@thechases.com>
References: <464C891E.3070106@thechases.com>
Message-ID: <p06230942c27245005088@[130.126.29.76]>

Hi everyone,

I'd like to try something new with the SIG meetings, by varying the 
times a bit and having meetings on a regular basis at a set time. I 
don't expect that everyone will be at (or be able to be at) every 
meeting but I'm hoping that if we can get some people at one meeting 
and others and another meeting, we'd really start to find some 
consistency. But I'll need help (HELP!!) in providing short summaries 
of the meetings to keep people up-to-speed so that, ideally, they 
could miss meetings and not be so lost when they can make a meeting.

Tuesdays --  9am (New York Time)
Thursdays -- 1pm (New York Time)

To check the times in your part of the world (it's not even my part 
of the world but it's only an hour off!), check World Clock at 
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

As a reminder and an invite to those of you who haven't been to a 
meeting, we use MSN Messenger. Traditionally...we start a little late 
but I'd like to change that as best as we can so if everyone can 
arrive a few minutes early, that's great, but I'd rather have people 
late than not arrive at all (although please be patient if you arrive 
late so that we can send you the transcript so you can quickly catch 
up and so that we don't need to constantly bring people up to speed 
and interrupt the flow of the conversation).

What to do to set up for the meetings? Add me, vrgrrl at hotmail.com 
(please note that this is a "dead" email account that I don't use so 
don't send me mail there!), and I'll look for you around the start of 
the meeting. If you are online and I haven't added you and it's close 
to the start of the meeting, just IM me and I'll add you to the 
meeting!

Looking forward to regular meetings on Tuesdays and Thursdays!

Michelle
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sat May 19 17:12:06 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:12:06 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Moveable Type experts?
In-Reply-To: <000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
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Hi everyone,

Anyone good at accessible design within the moveable type blogging 
environment? If so, please email me (hinn at uiuc.edu) as I really could 
use some help in the redesign of the SIG website. We also need to 
check our wiki so if anyone has been following access issues in 
wiki's, I could use your input as well!

We're starting to get complaints from our blind community in 
particular (and it's a not at all an unreasonable request!) to be 
more accessible in our information sites!!!

Thanks!

Michelle


From reid at rbkdesign.com  Sat May 19 18:18:00 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 15:18:00 -0700
Subject: [games_access] MMOG Topics for Terra Nova?
In-Reply-To: <p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
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I'm sorry, I haven't been keeping up with the conversations. In the
little that I read, people are not likely to change their thinking
unless they see an example of how it can work. We can talk and talk
but it won't matter what we say. Might want to talk about what
happened with Star Wars Galaxies when they changed the controls and
mobility disabled people couldn't play anymore. There was a big uproar
and they had to release another patch to change it back or offer more
options, not sure what the final solution was.

http://wiredblogs.tripod.com/games/index.blog?entry_id=1308320

There's one photo from the Alter Ego project which always gets to me
emotionally.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/04/technology_gamers_and_their_avatars/html/6.stm

I've got it... we need to create a book/website of photographs of
disabled gamers and their characters in MMO's or other games that
allow them to customize characters, like the Sims. Developers just
don't know that disabled people play their games and they need to. It
could be a photo essay.

-Reid

On 5/19/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
> Anyone out there have any thoughts pertaining specifically to the
> accessibility of MMOGs like World of Warcraft and Second Life? I'm getting a
> lot of flack on Terra Nova at the moment and running out of things to say to
> help the readership understand that accessibility is an issue that should
> concern them (especially as they are used in schools) and, of course, the
> "return on investment" issue we're more than familiar with (I replied to one
> poster about why it's always JUST up to us to provide that info when we
> don't know what the industry average cost for adding in accessibility
> features are -- I have Reid's estimate of how much he could have made for
> every $5 download of his Doom3 [cc] mod that I think will help that I'll
> write about over the weekend. But the Terra Nova crowd is ONLY interested in
> MMOGs (I know...I'm frustrated to no end) and I'm running out of ideas.
>
>
> The website again is http://terranova.blogs.com
>
>
> I have LOTS of ideas for posts but I don't think that they will be received
> well by the Terra Nova crowd -- if anyone can help me think through how to
> post about a particular topic, even if it's only very narrowly related, I'd
> appreciate it! For instance I want to post about one-switch, Robert's
> efforts, Eelke's paper, Dimitris' papers, Reid's work and more but I'm
> getting frustrated and I need your ideas and help.
>
>
> I don't want to simply not finish out the month as I think that there are
> silent members who might be getting ideas and running with them to create
> accessible mods, etc (and I'm also a bit surprised that my fellow social
> scientists aren't taking the bait on debating how we view accessibility in
> our FIRST lives while our SECOND lives lag FAR behind...I think it would be
> interesting fodder for discussion but maybe that's because it's related to
> my dissertation topic!). But I'm mostly getting response from the companies
> and not academics and it's basically the same "no go" that we hear with
> other games...only it seems a bit worse, at least to me.
>
>
> Eelke? Dimitris? I'd be especially interested in your ideas, as you've both
> written on design issues for games even if they aren't MMOGs (although,
> Eelke, I know you just had something about Dungeon Siege in your recent
> Gamasutra paper so I'll point to that). But anyone else...pipe up now so I
> can write about it (I'll cite you, of course!) before my blog month is up.
>
>
> Thanks!
> Michelle
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sat May 19 18:37:04 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 17:37:04 -0500
Subject: [games_access] MMOG Topics for Terra Nova?
In-Reply-To: <a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94re55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83>
	<a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94re55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230909c2752abebe1e@[130.126.29.83]>

Reid sez...

>I've got it... we need to create a book/website of photographs of
>disabled gamers and their characters in MMO's or other games that
>allow them to customize characters, like the Sims. Developers just
>don't know that disabled people play their games and they need to. It
>could be a photo essay.

Oooh. Now that could be an interesting art project that could find a 
home in one of the many museums around the world that are including 
digital art. It also appeals to my art background. :)

The Chicago Museum of Contemporary Art always seems to have some 
exhibition about how people see themselves in digital domains -- 
worth starting to collect these images and then see if we can exhibit 
somewhere. Other avenues are the GDC (they exhibit digital art) and 
SIGGRAPH (they do as well!). Then the NY Times has photo essays all 
the time -- it might finally get our group into the the "circuits" 
page.

Ok, adding this to the agenda for things to talk about at the 
upcoming meetings but also everyone should feel free to add their two 
cents here or $2 million dollars, made payable to "Michelle Hinn" ... 
I'll split it with you, Reid ... JUST KIDDING ... about the splitting 
of the money. ;)

Michelle


From agdev at thechases.com  Sat May 19 20:36:38 2007
From: agdev at thechases.com (Tim Chase)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 19:36:38 -0500
Subject: [games_access] MMOG Topics for Terra Nova?
In-Reply-To: <p06230907c27511d4e756@[130.126.29.83]>
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	<p06230907c27511d4e756@[130.126.29.83]>
Message-ID: <464F9816.6050308@thechases.com>

> I have LOTS of ideas for posts but I don't think that they
> will be received well by the Terra Nova crowd -- if anyone
> can help me think through how to post about a particular
> topic, even if it's only very narrowly related, I'd
> appreciate it!

In these forums (forae?) at TN and on other popular gaming
boards, I repeatedly see a couple issues thrown in the face
of efforts here:

1) adding accessibility features "dumbs down" the game
removing the fun/challenge for the hard-core gamers;

2) equating the accomodation of all disabilities with
accomodating even *some* disabilities; and

3) the difficulty of adding certain accessibility features
to MMOG worlds

Yes, it's hard to be all things to all people without it
dominating the design of the game--an aspect that may churn
the stomach of even the most socially-minded game designer.
However, even small advances on any of these fronts may make
significant headway for accessibility in gaming.

For #1, there are repeated themes of how *certain* features
added for accessibility benefit all gamers.  Things like
remappable controls or [CC] are often mentioned.  Also, a
variety of difficulty levels, though not mentioned quite as
much, offer entry points for the casual gamer, but allow for
deeper challenges for the "industrial-strength" gamer.

Just because a game offers remappable controls doesn't mean
hard-core gamers are going to be impared by it.  Just
because someone can turn on [CC] and play with the audio off
while their wife/kids are sleeping, doesn't mean they have
some advantage over other folks.  And if a hard-core gamer
finds the "easy" level too easy, well, that's their own dumb
fault and they should crank up the difficulty.

Requiring less complex controls (whether as drastic as
one-switch or simply cutting back on the 20-buttons, 2
D-pads, 2 analog sticks, and 6 DoF gyro controls) makes the
game more accessibile not just to folks with mobility
problems, but to casual gamers in general.  Cell-phone games
and one-switch games seem to be made for each other and for
marketing to the casual gamer.

With #2, I think it would be helpful to enhance our
suggestions/top-10 list with annotations regarding the
difficulty to implement such a feature, how it impacts game
design, and how it helps reach a larger demographic (and how
large that market-increase is).  The idea of creating a game
for the Who's _Tommy_ scares a lot of folks.  When we
mention the word "accessibility", folks see a
black-and-white world in which a game is either
inaccessibile, or the "deaf, dumb, and blind kid [that] sure
plays a mean pinball" can play it.  Perhaps clarifying that
there's a gradient of accessibility would soften our
message.  While, yes, it would be great to make games that
Tommy can play against the hard-core gamer where they're
both on an equal footing, there's also a range of less
drastic measures that game designers can incorporate that
allow them to retain freedom of design while still
increasing their audience.

The third item is one of the hardest and something that's
not been discussed quite so much on the list.  A number of
features for accessibility come at odds with these worlds,
often because they mirror the same barriers that the real
world presents.  Some of the items in our top-10 are
difficult if not impossible to implement in such a world:

- slowing the game down like bullet-time impacts the whole
  world, or
- giving everybody access to auto-aiming reduces the
  challenge for those crazy hard-core gamers, and unlevels
  some of the playing field
- adding [CC] becomes more difficult because there's not
  just a pre-scripted set of lines that the audio department
  records, but you have live voice-chat that doesn't [CC]
  easily
- a broad range of difficulties is hard to implement when
  the hard-core gamers are in the same world as those that
  need easier challenges

Theoretically, one could use voice recognition software to
do dynamic [CC] of voice-chat, but voice recognition
software still has a long way to go, and sucks up a lot of
processor time/power from games that may want it.

I understand that some MMOGs have a partitioned world in
which the newbies (and those that need the "easy" setting)
can gain their footing.  This is an elegant solution to the
problem, that players can stay in such a world as long as
they want/need, and venture into harder partitions as their
skills grow or as they need more difficulty.

Perhaps a way to address some of the disparity in the world
is to make it publicly known which settings a person is
using and perhaps partition players by assistive
technologies; or reduce assistance as the player levels-up.
Or newbie players in the sandbox world may have very sloppy
aiming where auto-assist helps them.  However, as they level
up, or adventure into more challenging sectors of the
universe, the auto-assist features start dialing back.  This
could allow a player that needs assistive features to still
play, but also allow the hard-core gamers to get their fix
of difficulty.

Anyways, if you've read this far and haven't written me off
as a loonie yet, thanks for playing the audience to my
long-winded ramblings.  Michelle, I don't know if any of
this is helpful fodder for future postings, but it's mostly
a brain-dump of my reactions to some of these myths and
mis-impressions I see on such gaming boards when the topic
of accessibility comes up.

-tim



From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sun May 20 06:01:54 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 11:01:54 +0100
Subject: [games_access] MMOG Topics for Terra Nova?
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	<464F9816.6050308@thechases.com>
Message-ID: <020801c79ac5$e5d38d30$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>

Excellent post, Tim. I think you've covered most of it there.

I think it's worth posting up some information on 
http://www.ablegamers.com/ - as they are particullarly into Massively 
Multiplayer On-line Role Playing Games (MMORPG's). They aren't huge, but 
they seem a good bunch.

Bit more on them here: http://ablegamers.com/content/view/16/66/

I think that the partitioning idea may be essential for some gamers where 
they can play according to ability. I remember going to MegaZone 
(http://www.rayleighmegazone.co.uk/index.php?page=gallery&sub=picsub) where 
you wear a special flak jacket and carry a laser gun in a warehouse full of 
dry ice. My friends and I were obiliterated by 'hard-core gamers'. I.e. some 
pathetic geeky kids that probably spent all their spare time playing this 
game. We'd have had much more fun if they'd had their seperate gaming 
arena - and us - less-able - gamers our own. Can't see any problem at all in 
that for MMORPGs either.

Anyway, my witterings done - keep chipping away. Perhaps we really do need 
to reassure the insecure hard-core gamers with 12-year-old-boy mentality 
that they can still keep their zen-master settings and gameplay alongside 
others being able to play their game too.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Chase" <agdev at thechases.com>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:36 AM
Subject: Re: [games_access] MMOG Topics for Terra Nova?


>> I have LOTS of ideas for posts but I don't think that they
>> will be received well by the Terra Nova crowd -- if anyone
>> can help me think through how to post about a particular
>> topic, even if it's only very narrowly related, I'd
>> appreciate it!
>
> In these forums (forae?) at TN and on other popular gaming
> boards, I repeatedly see a couple issues thrown in the face
> of efforts here:
>
> 1) adding accessibility features "dumbs down" the game
> removing the fun/challenge for the hard-core gamers;
>
> 2) equating the accomodation of all disabilities with
> accomodating even *some* disabilities; and
>
> 3) the difficulty of adding certain accessibility features
> to MMOG worlds
>
> Yes, it's hard to be all things to all people without it
> dominating the design of the game--an aspect that may churn
> the stomach of even the most socially-minded game designer.
> However, even small advances on any of these fronts may make
> significant headway for accessibility in gaming.
>
> For #1, there are repeated themes of how *certain* features
> added for accessibility benefit all gamers.  Things like
> remappable controls or [CC] are often mentioned.  Also, a
> variety of difficulty levels, though not mentioned quite as
> much, offer entry points for the casual gamer, but allow for
> deeper challenges for the "industrial-strength" gamer.
>
> Just because a game offers remappable controls doesn't mean
> hard-core gamers are going to be impared by it.  Just
> because someone can turn on [CC] and play with the audio off
> while their wife/kids are sleeping, doesn't mean they have
> some advantage over other folks.  And if a hard-core gamer
> finds the "easy" level too easy, well, that's their own dumb
> fault and they should crank up the difficulty.
>
> Requiring less complex controls (whether as drastic as
> one-switch or simply cutting back on the 20-buttons, 2
> D-pads, 2 analog sticks, and 6 DoF gyro controls) makes the
> game more accessibile not just to folks with mobility
> problems, but to casual gamers in general.  Cell-phone games
> and one-switch games seem to be made for each other and for
> marketing to the casual gamer.
>
> With #2, I think it would be helpful to enhance our
> suggestions/top-10 list with annotations regarding the
> difficulty to implement such a feature, how it impacts game
> design, and how it helps reach a larger demographic (and how
> large that market-increase is).  The idea of creating a game
> for the Who's _Tommy_ scares a lot of folks.  When we
> mention the word "accessibility", folks see a
> black-and-white world in which a game is either
> inaccessibile, or the "deaf, dumb, and blind kid [that] sure
> plays a mean pinball" can play it.  Perhaps clarifying that
> there's a gradient of accessibility would soften our
> message.  While, yes, it would be great to make games that
> Tommy can play against the hard-core gamer where they're
> both on an equal footing, there's also a range of less
> drastic measures that game designers can incorporate that
> allow them to retain freedom of design while still
> increasing their audience.
>
> The third item is one of the hardest and something that's
> not been discussed quite so much on the list.  A number of
> features for accessibility come at odds with these worlds,
> often because they mirror the same barriers that the real
> world presents.  Some of the items in our top-10 are
> difficult if not impossible to implement in such a world:
>
> - slowing the game down like bullet-time impacts the whole
>  world, or
> - giving everybody access to auto-aiming reduces the
>  challenge for those crazy hard-core gamers, and unlevels
>  some of the playing field
> - adding [CC] becomes more difficult because there's not
>  just a pre-scripted set of lines that the audio department
>  records, but you have live voice-chat that doesn't [CC]
>  easily
> - a broad range of difficulties is hard to implement when
>  the hard-core gamers are in the same world as those that
>  need easier challenges
>
> Theoretically, one could use voice recognition software to
> do dynamic [CC] of voice-chat, but voice recognition
> software still has a long way to go, and sucks up a lot of
> processor time/power from games that may want it.
>
> I understand that some MMOGs have a partitioned world in
> which the newbies (and those that need the "easy" setting)
> can gain their footing.  This is an elegant solution to the
> problem, that players can stay in such a world as long as
> they want/need, and venture into harder partitions as their
> skills grow or as they need more difficulty.
>
> Perhaps a way to address some of the disparity in the world
> is to make it publicly known which settings a person is
> using and perhaps partition players by assistive
> technologies; or reduce assistance as the player levels-up.
> Or newbie players in the sandbox world may have very sloppy
> aiming where auto-assist helps them.  However, as they level
> up, or adventure into more challenging sectors of the
> universe, the auto-assist features start dialing back.  This
> could allow a player that needs assistive features to still
> play, but also allow the hard-core gamers to get their fix
> of difficulty.
>
> Anyways, if you've read this far and haven't written me off
> as a loonie yet, thanks for playing the audience to my
> long-winded ramblings.  Michelle, I don't know if any of
> this is helpful fodder for future postings, but it's mostly
> a brain-dump of my reactions to some of these myths and
> mis-impressions I see on such gaming boards when the topic
> of accessibility comes up.
>
> -tim
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> 





From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sun May 20 06:03:51 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 11:03:51 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Gamers and their Avatars Book
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83>
	<a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94re55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>

Oh, and I think it's a great idea too to have a book full of such images:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/04/technology_gamers_and_their_avatars/html/6.stm

Barrie







From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sun May 20 14:54:33 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:54:33 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Gamers and their Avatars Book
In-Reply-To: <021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@I
	nspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83>
	<a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94re55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com>
	<021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <p06230913c276475bc522@[130.126.29.83]>

That's fantastic! I don't think that our current publisher does much 
in the way of art books but I know of some publishers who dig things 
like this -- MIT Press does, as does Phaidon. And we can include some 
in the Game Accessibility book as well but I think a glossy book of 
just images would be pretty damn cool.

I love our list so much! :) I know...from time to time we fight -- 
how could we not? We're all passionate about the topic and sooner or 
later we'll have disagreements and misunderstandings. But I'm glad 
that we're also able to heal when these happen because we know that 
at the end of the day, we're ALL volunteers and we're fighting the 
good fight. We just all have our moments of crankiness that things 
that the industry isn't moving fast enough but despite it all, we 
don't throw in the towel. Believe me...I've cried about many a thing 
with regard to game accessibility (I'm a girl, sue me) but you all 
keep me going!

I'm excited reading all the GA articles on Gamasutra lately. We're 
all doing great stuff and let's all be thankful that we have one 
another. Every time one of us gets something out into the public eye, 
it's all good. To quote Barrie: "It's a win for the cause!"

Michelle

>Oh, and I think it's a great idea too to have a book full of such images:
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/04/technology_gamers_and_their_avatars/html/6.stm
>
>Barrie
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sun May 20 15:01:42 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:01:42 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
In-Reply-To: <021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@I
	nspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83>
	<a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94re55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com>
	<021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]>

Hi all,

So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start discussing 
it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a 
one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something 
attached to another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a 
"summit" at a time where we aren't so frazzled from GDC.

This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online meetings 
this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we 
cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from every major 
game company we can to attend), do we want it to be small the first 
year and then cast the net wider the next year?

What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that does 
conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want and 
they deal with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, 
some advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool 
opportunity!

Michelle


From reid at rbkdesign.com  Sun May 20 15:08:53 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 12:08:53 -0700
Subject: [games_access] MMOG Topics for Terra Nova?
In-Reply-To: <020801c79ac5$e5d38d30$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83> <464F9816.6050308@thechases.com>
	<020801c79ac5$e5d38d30$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0705201208p772c7b64pbb274f83126c17e0@mail.gmail.com>

I just read this article on AbleGamers, wish I knew of them before,
it's a great initiative.

http://ablegamers.com/content/view/14/63/

It says, but doesn't go into much detail, that Blizzard did the same
thing Star Wars Galaxies did. It changed controls so they required
more skill. Is this still the case or did they go back to the old,
highly customizable setup?

-Reid


On 5/20/07, Barrie Ellis <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk> wrote:
> Excellent post, Tim. I think you've covered most of it there.
>
> I think it's worth posting up some information on
> http://www.ablegamers.com/ - as they are particullarly into Massively
> Multiplayer On-line Role Playing Games (MMORPG's). They aren't huge, but
> they seem a good bunch.
>
> Bit more on them here: http://ablegamers.com/content/view/16/66/
>
> I think that the partitioning idea may be essential for some gamers where
> they can play according to ability. I remember going to MegaZone
> (http://www.rayleighmegazone.co.uk/index.php?page=gallery&sub=picsub) where
> you wear a special flak jacket and carry a laser gun in a warehouse full of
> dry ice. My friends and I were obiliterated by 'hard-core gamers'. I.e. some
> pathetic geeky kids that probably spent all their spare time playing this
> game. We'd have had much more fun if they'd had their seperate gaming
> arena - and us - less-able - gamers our own. Can't see any problem at all in
> that for MMORPGs either.
>
> Anyway, my witterings done - keep chipping away. Perhaps we really do need
> to reassure the insecure hard-core gamers with 12-year-old-boy mentality
> that they can still keep their zen-master settings and gameplay alongside
> others being able to play their game too.
>
> Barrie
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Chase" <agdev at thechases.com>
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [games_access] MMOG Topics for Terra Nova?
>
>
> >> I have LOTS of ideas for posts but I don't think that they
> >> will be received well by the Terra Nova crowd -- if anyone
> >> can help me think through how to post about a particular
> >> topic, even if it's only very narrowly related, I'd
> >> appreciate it!
> >
> > In these forums (forae?) at TN and on other popular gaming
> > boards, I repeatedly see a couple issues thrown in the face
> > of efforts here:
> >
> > 1) adding accessibility features "dumbs down" the game
> > removing the fun/challenge for the hard-core gamers;
> >
> > 2) equating the accomodation of all disabilities with
> > accomodating even *some* disabilities; and
> >
> > 3) the difficulty of adding certain accessibility features
> > to MMOG worlds
> >
> > Yes, it's hard to be all things to all people without it
> > dominating the design of the game--an aspect that may churn
> > the stomach of even the most socially-minded game designer.
> > However, even small advances on any of these fronts may make
> > significant headway for accessibility in gaming.
> >
> > For #1, there are repeated themes of how *certain* features
> > added for accessibility benefit all gamers.  Things like
> > remappable controls or [CC] are often mentioned.  Also, a
> > variety of difficulty levels, though not mentioned quite as
> > much, offer entry points for the casual gamer, but allow for
> > deeper challenges for the "industrial-strength" gamer.
> >
> > Just because a game offers remappable controls doesn't mean
> > hard-core gamers are going to be impared by it.  Just
> > because someone can turn on [CC] and play with the audio off
> > while their wife/kids are sleeping, doesn't mean they have
> > some advantage over other folks.  And if a hard-core gamer
> > finds the "easy" level too easy, well, that's their own dumb
> > fault and they should crank up the difficulty.
> >
> > Requiring less complex controls (whether as drastic as
> > one-switch or simply cutting back on the 20-buttons, 2
> > D-pads, 2 analog sticks, and 6 DoF gyro controls) makes the
> > game more accessibile not just to folks with mobility
> > problems, but to casual gamers in general.  Cell-phone games
> > and one-switch games seem to be made for each other and for
> > marketing to the casual gamer.
> >
> > With #2, I think it would be helpful to enhance our
> > suggestions/top-10 list with annotations regarding the
> > difficulty to implement such a feature, how it impacts game
> > design, and how it helps reach a larger demographic (and how
> > large that market-increase is).  The idea of creating a game
> > for the Who's _Tommy_ scares a lot of folks.  When we
> > mention the word "accessibility", folks see a
> > black-and-white world in which a game is either
> > inaccessibile, or the "deaf, dumb, and blind kid [that] sure
> > plays a mean pinball" can play it.  Perhaps clarifying that
> > there's a gradient of accessibility would soften our
> > message.  While, yes, it would be great to make games that
> > Tommy can play against the hard-core gamer where they're
> > both on an equal footing, there's also a range of less
> > drastic measures that game designers can incorporate that
> > allow them to retain freedom of design while still
> > increasing their audience.
> >
> > The third item is one of the hardest and something that's
> > not been discussed quite so much on the list.  A number of
> > features for accessibility come at odds with these worlds,
> > often because they mirror the same barriers that the real
> > world presents.  Some of the items in our top-10 are
> > difficult if not impossible to implement in such a world:
> >
> > - slowing the game down like bullet-time impacts the whole
> >  world, or
> > - giving everybody access to auto-aiming reduces the
> >  challenge for those crazy hard-core gamers, and unlevels
> >  some of the playing field
> > - adding [CC] becomes more difficult because there's not
> >  just a pre-scripted set of lines that the audio department
> >  records, but you have live voice-chat that doesn't [CC]
> >  easily
> > - a broad range of difficulties is hard to implement when
> >  the hard-core gamers are in the same world as those that
> >  need easier challenges
> >
> > Theoretically, one could use voice recognition software to
> > do dynamic [CC] of voice-chat, but voice recognition
> > software still has a long way to go, and sucks up a lot of
> > processor time/power from games that may want it.
> >
> > I understand that some MMOGs have a partitioned world in
> > which the newbies (and those that need the "easy" setting)
> > can gain their footing.  This is an elegant solution to the
> > problem, that players can stay in such a world as long as
> > they want/need, and venture into harder partitions as their
> > skills grow or as they need more difficulty.
> >
> > Perhaps a way to address some of the disparity in the world
> > is to make it publicly known which settings a person is
> > using and perhaps partition players by assistive
> > technologies; or reduce assistance as the player levels-up.
> > Or newbie players in the sandbox world may have very sloppy
> > aiming where auto-assist helps them.  However, as they level
> > up, or adventure into more challenging sectors of the
> > universe, the auto-assist features start dialing back.  This
> > could allow a player that needs assistive features to still
> > play, but also allow the hard-core gamers to get their fix
> > of difficulty.
> >
> > Anyways, if you've read this far and haven't written me off
> > as a loonie yet, thanks for playing the audience to my
> > long-winded ramblings.  Michelle, I don't know if any of
> > this is helpful fodder for future postings, but it's mostly
> > a brain-dump of my reactions to some of these myths and
> > mis-impressions I see on such gaming boards when the topic
> > of accessibility comes up.
> >
> > -tim
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > games_access mailing list
> > games_access at igda.org
> > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> >
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sun May 20 15:19:27 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:19:27 -0500
Subject: [games_access] MMOG Topics for Terra Nova?
In-Reply-To: <a6673b8d0705201208p772c7b64pbb274f83126c17e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83> <464F9816.6050308@thechases.com>
	<020801c79ac5$e5d38d30$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<a6673b8d0705201208p772c7b64pbb274f83126c17e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230915c2764f149465@[130.126.29.83]>

The post I'm working on now is on exactly that! :) Mark at AbleGamers 
also wants to work with us on the Great Games Experiment portal for 
game reviews, basically seeing how we can port content from multiple 
accessibility sites into GGE. Not sure if Mark is on this list but 
I'll forward this to him just in case he's not.

>I just read this article on AbleGamers, wish I knew of them before,
>it's a great initiative.
>
>http://ablegamers.com/content/view/14/63/
>
>It says, but doesn't go into much detail, that Blizzard did the same
>thing Star Wars Galaxies did. It changed controls so they required
>more skill. Is this still the case or did they go back to the old,
>highly customizable setup?
>
>-Reid
>
>
>On 5/20/07, Barrie Ellis <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk> wrote:
>>Excellent post, Tim. I think you've covered most of it there.
>>
>>I think it's worth posting up some information on
>>http://www.ablegamers.com/ - as they are particullarly into Massively
>>Multiplayer On-line Role Playing Games (MMORPG's). They aren't huge, but
>>they seem a good bunch.
>>
>>Bit more on them here: http://ablegamers.com/content/view/16/66/
>>
>>I think that the partitioning idea may be essential for some gamers where
>>they can play according to ability. I remember going to MegaZone
>>(http://www.rayleighmegazone.co.uk/index.php?page=gallery&sub=picsub) where
>>you wear a special flak jacket and carry a laser gun in a warehouse full of
>>dry ice. My friends and I were obiliterated by 'hard-core gamers'. I.e. some
>>pathetic geeky kids that probably spent all their spare time playing this
>>game. We'd have had much more fun if they'd had their seperate gaming
>>arena - and us - less-able - gamers our own. Can't see any problem at all in
>>that for MMORPGs either.
>>
>>Anyway, my witterings done - keep chipping away. Perhaps we really do need
>>to reassure the insecure hard-core gamers with 12-year-old-boy mentality
>>that they can still keep their zen-master settings and gameplay alongside
>>others being able to play their game too.
>>
>>Barrie
>>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tim Chase" <agdev at thechases.com>
>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:36 AM
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] MMOG Topics for Terra Nova?
>>
>>
>>>>  I have LOTS of ideas for posts but I don't think that they
>>>>  will be received well by the Terra Nova crowd -- if anyone
>>>>  can help me think through how to post about a particular
>>>>  topic, even if it's only very narrowly related, I'd
>>>>  appreciate it!
>>>
>>>  In these forums (forae?) at TN and on other popular gaming
>>>  boards, I repeatedly see a couple issues thrown in the face
>>>  of efforts here:
>>>
>>>  1) adding accessibility features "dumbs down" the game
>>>  removing the fun/challenge for the hard-core gamers;
>>>
>>>  2) equating the accomodation of all disabilities with
>>>  accomodating even *some* disabilities; and
>>>
>>>  3) the difficulty of adding certain accessibility features
>>>  to MMOG worlds
>>>
>>>  Yes, it's hard to be all things to all people without it
>>>  dominating the design of the game--an aspect that may churn
>>>  the stomach of even the most socially-minded game designer.
>>>  However, even small advances on any of these fronts may make
>>>  significant headway for accessibility in gaming.
>>>
>>>  For #1, there are repeated themes of how *certain* features
>>>  added for accessibility benefit all gamers.  Things like
>>>  remappable controls or [CC] are often mentioned.  Also, a
>>>  variety of difficulty levels, though not mentioned quite as
>>>  much, offer entry points for the casual gamer, but allow for
>>>  deeper challenges for the "industrial-strength" gamer.
>>>
>>>  Just because a game offers remappable controls doesn't mean
>>>  hard-core gamers are going to be impared by it.  Just
>>>  because someone can turn on [CC] and play with the audio off
>>>  while their wife/kids are sleeping, doesn't mean they have
>>>  some advantage over other folks.  And if a hard-core gamer
>>  > finds the "easy" level too easy, well, that's their own dumb
>>>  fault and they should crank up the difficulty.
>>>
>>>  Requiring less complex controls (whether as drastic as
>>>  one-switch or simply cutting back on the 20-buttons, 2
>>>  D-pads, 2 analog sticks, and 6 DoF gyro controls) makes the
>>>  game more accessibile not just to folks with mobility
>>>  problems, but to casual gamers in general.  Cell-phone games
>>>  and one-switch games seem to be made for each other and for
>>>  marketing to the casual gamer.
>>>
>>>  With #2, I think it would be helpful to enhance our
>>>  suggestions/top-10 list with annotations regarding the
>>>  difficulty to implement such a feature, how it impacts game
>>>  design, and how it helps reach a larger demographic (and how
>>>  large that market-increase is).  The idea of creating a game
>>>  for the Who's _Tommy_ scares a lot of folks.  When we
>>>  mention the word "accessibility", folks see a
>>>  black-and-white world in which a game is either
>>>  inaccessibile, or the "deaf, dumb, and blind kid [that] sure
>>>  plays a mean pinball" can play it.  Perhaps clarifying that
>>>  there's a gradient of accessibility would soften our
>>>  message.  While, yes, it would be great to make games that
>>>  Tommy can play against the hard-core gamer where they're
>>>  both on an equal footing, there's also a range of less
>>>  drastic measures that game designers can incorporate that
>>>  allow them to retain freedom of design while still
>>>  increasing their audience.
>>>
>>>  The third item is one of the hardest and something that's
>>>  not been discussed quite so much on the list.  A number of
>>>  features for accessibility come at odds with these worlds,
>>>  often because they mirror the same barriers that the real
>>>  world presents.  Some of the items in our top-10 are
>>>  difficult if not impossible to implement in such a world:
>>>
>>>  - slowing the game down like bullet-time impacts the whole
>>>   world, or
>>>  - giving everybody access to auto-aiming reduces the
>>>   challenge for those crazy hard-core gamers, and unlevels
>>>   some of the playing field
>>>  - adding [CC] becomes more difficult because there's not
>>>   just a pre-scripted set of lines that the audio department
>>>   records, but you have live voice-chat that doesn't [CC]
>>>   easily
>>>  - a broad range of difficulties is hard to implement when
>>>   the hard-core gamers are in the same world as those that
>>>   need easier challenges
>>>
>>>  Theoretically, one could use voice recognition software to
>>>  do dynamic [CC] of voice-chat, but voice recognition
>>>  software still has a long way to go, and sucks up a lot of
>>>  processor time/power from games that may want it.
>>>
>>>  I understand that some MMOGs have a partitioned world in
>>>  which the newbies (and those that need the "easy" setting)
>>>  can gain their footing.  This is an elegant solution to the
>>>  problem, that players can stay in such a world as long as
>>>  they want/need, and venture into harder partitions as their
>>>  skills grow or as they need more difficulty.
>>>
>>>  Perhaps a way to address some of the disparity in the world
>>>  is to make it publicly known which settings a person is
>>>  using and perhaps partition players by assistive
>>>  technologies; or reduce assistance as the player levels-up.
>>>  Or newbie players in the sandbox world may have very sloppy
>>>  aiming where auto-assist helps them.  However, as they level
>>>  up, or adventure into more challenging sectors of the
>>>  universe, the auto-assist features start dialing back.  This
>>>  could allow a player that needs assistive features to still
>>>  play, but also allow the hard-core gamers to get their fix
>>>  of difficulty.
>>>
>>>  Anyways, if you've read this far and haven't written me off
>>>  as a loonie yet, thanks for playing the audience to my
>>>  long-winded ramblings.  Michelle, I don't know if any of
>>>  this is helpful fodder for future postings, but it's mostly
>>>  a brain-dump of my reactions to some of these myths and
>>>  mis-impressions I see on such gaming boards when the topic
>>>  of accessibility comes up.
>>>
>>>  -tim
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>  games_access mailing list
>>>  games_access at igda.org
>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>  >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sun May 20 19:38:24 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 18:38:24 -0500
Subject: [games_access] FuturePlay 2007: Accessibility Workshop, Papers
In-Reply-To: <p06230913c276475bc522@[130.126.29.83]>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@I
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Hi all,

The call for final submission of papers for FuturePlay is coming up 
on June 30th and this year I'm on the programme committee so I'll be 
able to have a little more feedback into session programming. This 
year they are trying to get the papers published in the ACM 
proceedings and if that happens that would significantly add to the 
prestige of the conference.

As of right now, I was able to get us a an accessibility workshop 
onto the program and I'm hoping that we could do a session on 
research in accessibility. So if you are interested in attending and 
presenting at FuturePlay (as part of the workshop and/or as an author 
of a paper), please let me know so we can start planning for it. If 
we can present a collection of papers on accessibility then making a 
case for a paper session on accessibility can be better made.

As a reminder, FuturePlay this year is in Toronto, Canada on Nov 15-17, 2007

Michelle


From kjb at it.rit.edu  Sun May 20 20:26:10 2007
From: kjb at it.rit.edu (Kevin J. Bierre)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:26:10 -0400
Subject: [games_access] FuturePlay 2007: Accessibility Workshop, Papers
In-Reply-To: <p0623091ac2767f5be510@[130.126.29.83]>
References: <p0623091ac2767f5be510@[130.126.29.83]>
Message-ID: <fc.004c519f019e6d6b3b9aca00756195a7.19e6d74@it.rit.edu>

Michelle,

I'm interested in both the workshop and the paper ideas. Since it's right across the lake from me, it's an easy conference to get to.

Kevin Bierre,  Assistant Professor                                                       (kjb at it.rit.edu)
Information Technology,  Rochester Institute of Technology                585-475-5358
102 Lomb Memorial Drive                                                                       Bldg 70-2637
Rochester, NY 14623




From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sun May 20 20:46:14 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 19:46:14 -0500
Subject: [games_access] FuturePlay 2007: Accessibility Workshop, Papers
In-Reply-To: <fc.004c519f019e6d6b3b9aca00756195a7.19e6d74@it.rit.edu>
References: <p0623091ac2767f5be510@[130.126.29.83]>
	<fc.004c519f019e6d6b3b9aca00756195a7.19e6d74@it.rit.edu>
Message-ID: <p0623091bc2769c039c6d@[130.126.29.83]>

Great -- and you are already on the workshop list! :) When I've heard 
from a few more, I'll start a discussion amongst the futureplayers to 
talk more about the paper session.

Michelle

>Michelle,
>
>I'm interested in both the workshop and the paper ideas. Since it's 
>right across the lake from me, it's an easy conference to get to.
>
>Kevin Bierre,  Assistant Professor 
>(kjb at it.rit.edu)
>Information Technology,  Rochester Institute of Technology 
>585-475-5358
>102 Lomb Memorial Drive 
>Bldg 70-2637
>Rochester, NY 14623
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From gramenos at ics.forth.gr  Mon May 21 05:56:56 2007
From: gramenos at ics.forth.gr (Dimitris Grammenos)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 12:56:56 +0300
Subject: [games_access] FuturePlay 2007: Accessibility Workshop, Papers
In-Reply-To: <p0623091ac2767f5be510@[130.126.29.83]>
Message-ID: <20070521095605.645268E40FC@mailhost.ics.forth.gr>

Hello Michelle,

I'm interested in both the workshop and a paper.

Dimitris

-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:38 AM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: [games_access] FuturePlay 2007: Accessibility Workshop, Papers

Hi all,

The call for final submission of papers for FuturePlay is coming up 
on June 30th and this year I'm on the programme committee so I'll be 
able to have a little more feedback into session programming. This 
year they are trying to get the papers published in the ACM 
proceedings and if that happens that would significantly add to the 
prestige of the conference.

As of right now, I was able to get us a an accessibility workshop 
onto the program and I'm hoping that we could do a session on 
research in accessibility. So if you are interested in attending and 
presenting at FuturePlay (as part of the workshop and/or as an author 
of a paper), please let me know so we can start planning for it. If 
we can present a collection of papers on accessibility then making a 
case for a paper session on accessibility can be better made.

As a reminder, FuturePlay this year is in Toronto, Canada on Nov 15-17, 2007

Michelle
_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access




From gramenos at ics.forth.gr  Mon May 21 06:00:05 2007
From: gramenos at ics.forth.gr (Dimitris Grammenos)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:00:05 +0300
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
In-Reply-To: <p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]>
Message-ID: <20070521095914.8A0588E40FC@mailhost.ics.forth.gr>

Hi Michelle,

As we discussed before we would be very happy to host this event in Crete.
I guess a good time would be October - it's still very warm and nice, prices
are cheaper and it's about midway between 2 consecutive GDCs.

Dimitris


-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 10:02 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference

Hi all,

So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start discussing 
it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a 
one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something 
attached to another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a 
"summit" at a time where we aren't so frazzled from GDC.

This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online meetings 
this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we 
cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from every major 
game company we can to attend), do we want it to be small the first 
year and then cast the net wider the next year?

What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that does 
conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want and 
they deal with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, 
some advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool 
opportunity!

Michelle
_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access




From reid at rbkdesign.com  Mon May 21 10:29:17 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 07:29:17 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
In-Reply-To: <20070521095914.8A0588E40FC@mailhost.ics.forth.gr>
References: <p06230914c27649ee5f84@130.126.29.83>
	<20070521095914.8A0588E40FC@mailhost.ics.forth.gr>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0705210729i63ddb66ek8866b0546c6328bb@mail.gmail.com>

I would love to go to Crete.

Other options in the US are Dallas, Austin or San Francisco. All three
have high densities of developers in a small area. I think that will
help get developers to attend if the conference is close to them.

-Reid

On 5/21/07, Dimitris Grammenos <gramenos at ics.forth.gr> wrote:
> Hi Michelle,
>
> As we discussed before we would be very happy to host this event in Crete.
> I guess a good time would be October - it's still very warm and nice, prices
> are cheaper and it's about midway between 2 consecutive GDCs.
>
> Dimitris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
> On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 10:02 PM
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
>
> Hi all,
>
> So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start discussing
> it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a
> one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something
> attached to another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a
> "summit" at a time where we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>
> This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online meetings
> this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we
> cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from every major
> game company we can to attend), do we want it to be small the first
> year and then cast the net wider the next year?
>
> What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that does
> conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want and
> they deal with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue,
> some advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool
> opportunity!
>
> Michelle
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From thomas at pininteractive.com  Mon May 21 11:56:54 2007
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:56:54 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
In-Reply-To: <p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]>
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	<p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]>
Message-ID: <99CAB927-2717-492D-9E9C-33461B070502@pininteractive.com>

Hi

>
> So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start  
> discussing it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts  
> in creating a one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this  
> could be something attached to another conference (like GDC) or on  
> it's own as a "summit" at a time where we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>

Great news!

it might be wise to not having it during GDC where visitors are  
distracted by so many other events

Perhaps a European conference? Amsterdam, Athens, London or Stockholm  
are locations / countries where the SIG is already represented in  
some way (did I forget anyone?)

  I think London would be best from a strategic point-of-view as UK  
has a lot of game developers and London is more accessible (in flight  
terms) than Stockholm.

> This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online  
> meetings this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how  
> wide we cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from  
> every major game company we can to attend), do we want it to be  
> small the first year and then cast the net wider the next year?

Dates: just make sure it doesn't be in conflict with other major  
events such as all the GDCs, SGS, E for All, Nordic Game etc. For  
some of the upcoming events check
http://gamasutra.com/php-bin/calendar.php

Personally I'd prefer if we can have it after we have the book ready;  
until then I think we (at least II) have too much too think of to  
focus on running a conference. Perhaps in May 2008?

By the way, I'll probably present at Dreamhack in June, the world's  
largets LAN. 10.000 game crazy kids gather from all over...  
Statistically some of should have on or another disability so I'll  
make sure they hear about us.
www.dreamhack.se

> What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that  
> does conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want  
> and they deal with the registration, hotel block reservations,  
> venue, some advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool  
> opportunity!

Wow!

/Thomas

__________________________________
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VD / CEO

Pin Interactive AB
:: Digital Culture Analysis :: Tools :: Worlds
__________________________________
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Mon May 21 14:12:18 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:12:18 -0500
Subject: [games_access] MMOG Topics for Terra Nova?
In-Reply-To: <020801c79ac5$e5d38d30$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
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Thanks Tim and Barrie! I'll gather together a post that covers your 
ideas (and, no, Tim...you aren't crazy!). I have a whole bunch of 
posts ready to go and I think I'm just going to overload the TN 
crowd. I like how one person assumed that I was wholesale rallying 
AGAINST the industry -- yes, in part...but only because I want people 
INCLUDED and not the usual "let's shut down the industry" rants.

And I'd like to welcome Mike from AbleGamers to our list! It's great 
to have a MMOG group joining in! Mike -- please let us know some of 
the exciting things that you are up to. We're not a huge group but we 
are loud and passionate. Sometimes we argue but we all are on the 
same side -- what family doesn't have it's spats now and again? :)

Michelle

>Excellent post, Tim. I think you've covered most of it there.
>
>I think it's worth posting up some information on 
>http://www.ablegamers.com/ - as they are particullarly into 
>Massively Multiplayer On-line Role Playing Games (MMORPG's). They 
>aren't huge, but they seem a good bunch.
>
>Bit more on them here: http://ablegamers.com/content/view/16/66/
>
>I think that the partitioning idea may be essential for some gamers 
>where they can play according to ability. I remember going to 
>MegaZone 
>(http://www.rayleighmegazone.co.uk/index.php?page=gallery&sub=picsub) 
>where you wear a special flak jacket and carry a laser gun in a 
>warehouse full of dry ice. My friends and I were obiliterated by 
>'hard-core gamers'. I.e. some pathetic geeky kids that probably 
>spent all their spare time playing this game. We'd have had much 
>more fun if they'd had their seperate gaming arena - and us - 
>less-able - gamers our own. Can't see any problem at all in that for 
>MMORPGs either.
>
>Anyway, my witterings done - keep chipping away. Perhaps we really 
>do need to reassure the insecure hard-core gamers with 
>12-year-old-boy mentality that they can still keep their zen-master 
>settings and gameplay alongside others being able to play their game 
>too.
>
>Barrie
>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Chase" <agdev at thechases.com>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:36 AM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] MMOG Topics for Terra Nova?
>
>>>I have LOTS of ideas for posts but I don't think that they
>>>will be received well by the Terra Nova crowd -- if anyone
>>>can help me think through how to post about a particular
>>>topic, even if it's only very narrowly related, I'd
>>>appreciate it!
>>
>>In these forums (forae?) at TN and on other popular gaming
>>boards, I repeatedly see a couple issues thrown in the face
>>of efforts here:
>>
>>1) adding accessibility features "dumbs down" the game
>>removing the fun/challenge for the hard-core gamers;
>>
>>2) equating the accomodation of all disabilities with
>>accomodating even *some* disabilities; and
>>
>>3) the difficulty of adding certain accessibility features
>>to MMOG worlds
>>
>>Yes, it's hard to be all things to all people without it
>>dominating the design of the game--an aspect that may churn
>>the stomach of even the most socially-minded game designer.
>>However, even small advances on any of these fronts may make
>>significant headway for accessibility in gaming.
>>
>>For #1, there are repeated themes of how *certain* features
>>added for accessibility benefit all gamers.  Things like
>>remappable controls or [CC] are often mentioned.  Also, a
>>variety of difficulty levels, though not mentioned quite as
>>much, offer entry points for the casual gamer, but allow for
>>deeper challenges for the "industrial-strength" gamer.
>>
>>Just because a game offers remappable controls doesn't mean
>>hard-core gamers are going to be impared by it.  Just
>>because someone can turn on [CC] and play with the audio off
>>while their wife/kids are sleeping, doesn't mean they have
>>some advantage over other folks.  And if a hard-core gamer
>>finds the "easy" level too easy, well, that's their own dumb
>>fault and they should crank up the difficulty.
>>
>>Requiring less complex controls (whether as drastic as
>>one-switch or simply cutting back on the 20-buttons, 2
>>D-pads, 2 analog sticks, and 6 DoF gyro controls) makes the
>>game more accessibile not just to folks with mobility
>>problems, but to casual gamers in general.  Cell-phone games
>>and one-switch games seem to be made for each other and for
>>marketing to the casual gamer.
>>
>>With #2, I think it would be helpful to enhance our
>>suggestions/top-10 list with annotations regarding the
>>difficulty to implement such a feature, how it impacts game
>>design, and how it helps reach a larger demographic (and how
>>large that market-increase is).  The idea of creating a game
>>for the Who's _Tommy_ scares a lot of folks.  When we
>>mention the word "accessibility", folks see a
>>black-and-white world in which a game is either
>>inaccessibile, or the "deaf, dumb, and blind kid [that] sure
>>plays a mean pinball" can play it.  Perhaps clarifying that
>>there's a gradient of accessibility would soften our
>>message.  While, yes, it would be great to make games that
>>Tommy can play against the hard-core gamer where they're
>>both on an equal footing, there's also a range of less
>>drastic measures that game designers can incorporate that
>>allow them to retain freedom of design while still
>>increasing their audience.
>>
>>The third item is one of the hardest and something that's
>>not been discussed quite so much on the list.  A number of
>>features for accessibility come at odds with these worlds,
>>often because they mirror the same barriers that the real
>>world presents.  Some of the items in our top-10 are
>>difficult if not impossible to implement in such a world:
>>
>>- slowing the game down like bullet-time impacts the whole
>>  world, or
>>- giving everybody access to auto-aiming reduces the
>>  challenge for those crazy hard-core gamers, and unlevels
>>  some of the playing field
>>- adding [CC] becomes more difficult because there's not
>>  just a pre-scripted set of lines that the audio department
>>  records, but you have live voice-chat that doesn't [CC]
>>  easily
>>- a broad range of difficulties is hard to implement when
>>  the hard-core gamers are in the same world as those that
>>  need easier challenges
>>
>>Theoretically, one could use voice recognition software to
>>do dynamic [CC] of voice-chat, but voice recognition
>>software still has a long way to go, and sucks up a lot of
>>processor time/power from games that may want it.
>>
>>I understand that some MMOGs have a partitioned world in
>>which the newbies (and those that need the "easy" setting)
>>can gain their footing.  This is an elegant solution to the
>>problem, that players can stay in such a world as long as
>>they want/need, and venture into harder partitions as their
>>skills grow or as they need more difficulty.
>>
>>Perhaps a way to address some of the disparity in the world
>>is to make it publicly known which settings a person is
>>using and perhaps partition players by assistive
>>technologies; or reduce assistance as the player levels-up.
>>Or newbie players in the sandbox world may have very sloppy
>>aiming where auto-assist helps them.  However, as they level
>>up, or adventure into more challenging sectors of the
>>universe, the auto-assist features start dialing back.  This
>>could allow a player that needs assistive features to still
>>play, but also allow the hard-core gamers to get their fix
>>of difficulty.
>>
>>Anyways, if you've read this far and haven't written me off
>>as a loonie yet, thanks for playing the audience to my
>>long-winded ramblings.  Michelle, I don't know if any of
>>this is helpful fodder for future postings, but it's mostly
>>a brain-dump of my reactions to some of these myths and
>>mis-impressions I see on such gaming boards when the topic
>>of accessibility comes up.
>>
>>-tim
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>
>
>
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Mon May 21 14:35:01 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:35:01 -0500
Subject: [games_access] MMOG Topics for Terra Nova?
In-Reply-To: <p06230921c277900f4b02@[130.126.29.83]>
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Lol...well, I'm not sure why I do this, as I'm not sure it's a common 
dyslexic thing but I meant to say MARK from AbleGamers and not Mike! 
:)

Michelle

>Thanks Tim and Barrie! I'll gather together a post that covers your 
>ideas (and, no, Tim...you aren't crazy!). I have a whole bunch of 
>posts ready to go and I think I'm just going to overload the TN 
>crowd. I like how one person assumed that I was wholesale rallying 
>AGAINST the industry -- yes, in part...but only because I want 
>people INCLUDED and not the usual "let's shut down the industry" 
>rants.
>
>And I'd like to welcome Mike from AbleGamers to our list! It's great 
>to have a MMOG group joining in! Mike -- please let us know some of 
>the exciting things that you are up to. We're not a huge group but 
>we are loud and passionate. Sometimes we argue but we all are on the 
>same side -- what family doesn't have it's spats now and again? :)
>
>Michelle
>
>>Excellent post, Tim. I think you've covered most of it there.
>>
>>I think it's worth posting up some information on 
>>http://www.ablegamers.com/ - as they are particullarly into 
>>Massively Multiplayer On-line Role Playing Games (MMORPG's). They 
>>aren't huge, but they seem a good bunch.
>>
>>Bit more on them here: http://ablegamers.com/content/view/16/66/
>>
>>I think that the partitioning idea may be essential for some gamers 
>>where they can play according to ability. I remember going to 
>>MegaZone 
>>(http://www.rayleighmegazone.co.uk/index.php?page=gallery&sub=picsub) 
>>where you wear a special flak jacket and carry a laser gun in a 
>>warehouse full of dry ice. My friends and I were obiliterated by 
>>'hard-core gamers'. I.e. some pathetic geeky kids that probably 
>>spent all their spare time playing this game. We'd have had much 
>>more fun if they'd had their seperate gaming arena - and us - 
>>less-able - gamers our own. Can't see any problem at all in that 
>>for MMORPGs either.
>>
>>Anyway, my witterings done - keep chipping away. Perhaps we really 
>>do need to reassure the insecure hard-core gamers with 
>>12-year-old-boy mentality that they can still keep their zen-master 
>>settings and gameplay alongside others being able to play their 
>>game too.
>>
>>Barrie
>>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Chase" <agdev at thechases.com>
>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:36 AM
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] MMOG Topics for Terra Nova?
>>
>>>>I have LOTS of ideas for posts but I don't think that they
>>>>will be received well by the Terra Nova crowd -- if anyone
>>>>can help me think through how to post about a particular
>>>>topic, even if it's only very narrowly related, I'd
>>>>appreciate it!
>>>
>>>In these forums (forae?) at TN and on other popular gaming
>>>boards, I repeatedly see a couple issues thrown in the face
>>>of efforts here:
>>>
>>>1) adding accessibility features "dumbs down" the game
>>>removing the fun/challenge for the hard-core gamers;
>>>
>>>2) equating the accomodation of all disabilities with
>>>accomodating even *some* disabilities; and
>>>
>>>3) the difficulty of adding certain accessibility features
>>>to MMOG worlds
>>>
>>>Yes, it's hard to be all things to all people without it
>>>dominating the design of the game--an aspect that may churn
>>>the stomach of even the most socially-minded game designer.
>>>However, even small advances on any of these fronts may make
>>>significant headway for accessibility in gaming.
>>>
>>>For #1, there are repeated themes of how *certain* features
>>>added for accessibility benefit all gamers.  Things like
>>>remappable controls or [CC] are often mentioned.  Also, a
>>>variety of difficulty levels, though not mentioned quite as
>>>much, offer entry points for the casual gamer, but allow for
>>>deeper challenges for the "industrial-strength" gamer.
>>>
>>>Just because a game offers remappable controls doesn't mean
>>>hard-core gamers are going to be impared by it.  Just
>>>because someone can turn on [CC] and play with the audio off
>>>while their wife/kids are sleeping, doesn't mean they have
>>>some advantage over other folks.  And if a hard-core gamer
>>>finds the "easy" level too easy, well, that's their own dumb
>>>fault and they should crank up the difficulty.
>>>
>>>Requiring less complex controls (whether as drastic as
>>>one-switch or simply cutting back on the 20-buttons, 2
>>>D-pads, 2 analog sticks, and 6 DoF gyro controls) makes the
>>>game more accessibile not just to folks with mobility
>>>problems, but to casual gamers in general.  Cell-phone games
>>>and one-switch games seem to be made for each other and for
>>>marketing to the casual gamer.
>>>
>>>With #2, I think it would be helpful to enhance our
>>>suggestions/top-10 list with annotations regarding the
>>>difficulty to implement such a feature, how it impacts game
>>>design, and how it helps reach a larger demographic (and how
>>>large that market-increase is).  The idea of creating a game
>>>for the Who's _Tommy_ scares a lot of folks.  When we
>>>mention the word "accessibility", folks see a
>>>black-and-white world in which a game is either
>>>inaccessibile, or the "deaf, dumb, and blind kid [that] sure
>>>plays a mean pinball" can play it.  Perhaps clarifying that
>>>there's a gradient of accessibility would soften our
>>>message.  While, yes, it would be great to make games that
>>>Tommy can play against the hard-core gamer where they're
>>>both on an equal footing, there's also a range of less
>>>drastic measures that game designers can incorporate that
>>>allow them to retain freedom of design while still
>>>increasing their audience.
>>>
>>>The third item is one of the hardest and something that's
>>>not been discussed quite so much on the list.  A number of
>>>features for accessibility come at odds with these worlds,
>>>often because they mirror the same barriers that the real
>>>world presents.  Some of the items in our top-10 are
>>>difficult if not impossible to implement in such a world:
>>>
>>>- slowing the game down like bullet-time impacts the whole
>>>  world, or
>>>- giving everybody access to auto-aiming reduces the
>>>  challenge for those crazy hard-core gamers, and unlevels
>>>  some of the playing field
>>>- adding [CC] becomes more difficult because there's not
>>>  just a pre-scripted set of lines that the audio department
>>>  records, but you have live voice-chat that doesn't [CC]
>>>  easily
>>>- a broad range of difficulties is hard to implement when
>>>  the hard-core gamers are in the same world as those that
>>>  need easier challenges
>>>
>>>Theoretically, one could use voice recognition software to
>>>do dynamic [CC] of voice-chat, but voice recognition
>>>software still has a long way to go, and sucks up a lot of
>>>processor time/power from games that may want it.
>>>
>>>I understand that some MMOGs have a partitioned world in
>>>which the newbies (and those that need the "easy" setting)
>>>can gain their footing.  This is an elegant solution to the
>>>problem, that players can stay in such a world as long as
>>>they want/need, and venture into harder partitions as their
>>>skills grow or as they need more difficulty.
>>>
>>>Perhaps a way to address some of the disparity in the world
>>>is to make it publicly known which settings a person is
>>>using and perhaps partition players by assistive
>>>technologies; or reduce assistance as the player levels-up.
>>>Or newbie players in the sandbox world may have very sloppy
>>>aiming where auto-assist helps them.  However, as they level
>>>up, or adventure into more challenging sectors of the
>>>universe, the auto-assist features start dialing back.  This
>>>could allow a player that needs assistive features to still
>>>play, but also allow the hard-core gamers to get their fix
>>>of difficulty.
>>>
>>>Anyways, if you've read this far and haven't written me off
>>>as a loonie yet, thanks for playing the audience to my
>>>long-winded ramblings.  Michelle, I don't know if any of
>>>this is helpful fodder for future postings, but it's mostly
>>>a brain-dump of my reactions to some of these myths and
>>>mis-impressions I see on such gaming boards when the topic
>>>of accessibility comes up.
>>>
>>>-tim
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Mon May 21 14:47:53 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:47:53 +0100
Subject: [games_access] MMOG Topics for Terra Nova?
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Hello Mark - nice to have you with us. Great site redesign by the way at 
www.ablegamers.com - The frag pedals you have on-line were interesting - 
will add these to my accessible gaming shop shortly.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] MMOG Topics for Terra Nova?


> Lol...well, I'm not sure why I do this, as I'm not sure it's a common 
> dyslexic thing but I meant to say MARK from AbleGamers and not Mike! :)
>
> Michelle
>
>>Thanks Tim and Barrie! I'll gather together a post that covers your ideas 
>>(and, no, Tim...you aren't crazy!). I have a whole bunch of posts ready to 
>>go and I think I'm just going to overload the TN crowd. I like how one 
>>person assumed that I was wholesale rallying AGAINST the industry -- yes, 
>>in part...but only because I want people INCLUDED and not the usual "let's 
>>shut down the industry" rants.
>>
>>And I'd like to welcome Mike from AbleGamers to our list! It's great to 
>>have a MMOG group joining in! Mike -- please let us know some of the 
>>exciting things that you are up to. We're not a huge group but we are loud 
>>and passionate. Sometimes we argue but we all are on the same side -- what 
>>family doesn't have it's spats now and again? :)
>>
>>Michelle
>>
>>>Excellent post, Tim. I think you've covered most of it there.
>>>
>>>I think it's worth posting up some information on 
>>>http://www.ablegamers.com/ - as they are particullarly into Massively 
>>>Multiplayer On-line Role Playing Games (MMORPG's). They aren't huge, but 
>>>they seem a good bunch.
>>>
>>>Bit more on them here: http://ablegamers.com/content/view/16/66/
>>>
>>>I think that the partitioning idea may be essential for some gamers where 
>>>they can play according to ability. I remember going to MegaZone 
>>>(http://www.rayleighmegazone.co.uk/index.php?page=gallery&sub=picsub) 
>>>where you wear a special flak jacket and carry a laser gun in a warehouse 
>>>full of dry ice. My friends and I were obiliterated by 'hard-core 
>>>gamers'. I.e. some pathetic geeky kids that probably spent all their 
>>>spare time playing this game. We'd have had much more fun if they'd had 
>>>their seperate gaming arena - and us - less-able - gamers our own. Can't 
>>>see any problem at all in that for MMORPGs either.
>>>
>>>Anyway, my witterings done - keep chipping away. Perhaps we really do 
>>>need to reassure the insecure hard-core gamers with 12-year-old-boy 
>>>mentality that they can still keep their zen-master settings and gameplay 
>>>alongside others being able to play their game too.
>>>
>>>Barrie
>>>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Chase" <agdev at thechases.com>
>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:36 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] MMOG Topics for Terra Nova?
>>>
>>>>>I have LOTS of ideas for posts but I don't think that they
>>>>>will be received well by the Terra Nova crowd -- if anyone
>>>>>can help me think through how to post about a particular
>>>>>topic, even if it's only very narrowly related, I'd
>>>>>appreciate it!
>>>>
>>>>In these forums (forae?) at TN and on other popular gaming
>>>>boards, I repeatedly see a couple issues thrown in the face
>>>>of efforts here:
>>>>
>>>>1) adding accessibility features "dumbs down" the game
>>>>removing the fun/challenge for the hard-core gamers;
>>>>
>>>>2) equating the accomodation of all disabilities with
>>>>accomodating even *some* disabilities; and
>>>>
>>>>3) the difficulty of adding certain accessibility features
>>>>to MMOG worlds
>>>>
>>>>Yes, it's hard to be all things to all people without it
>>>>dominating the design of the game--an aspect that may churn
>>>>the stomach of even the most socially-minded game designer.
>>>>However, even small advances on any of these fronts may make
>>>>significant headway for accessibility in gaming.
>>>>
>>>>For #1, there are repeated themes of how *certain* features
>>>>added for accessibility benefit all gamers.  Things like
>>>>remappable controls or [CC] are often mentioned.  Also, a
>>>>variety of difficulty levels, though not mentioned quite as
>>>>much, offer entry points for the casual gamer, but allow for
>>>>deeper challenges for the "industrial-strength" gamer.
>>>>
>>>>Just because a game offers remappable controls doesn't mean
>>>>hard-core gamers are going to be impared by it.  Just
>>>>because someone can turn on [CC] and play with the audio off
>>>>while their wife/kids are sleeping, doesn't mean they have
>>>>some advantage over other folks.  And if a hard-core gamer
>>>>finds the "easy" level too easy, well, that's their own dumb
>>>>fault and they should crank up the difficulty.
>>>>
>>>>Requiring less complex controls (whether as drastic as
>>>>one-switch or simply cutting back on the 20-buttons, 2
>>>>D-pads, 2 analog sticks, and 6 DoF gyro controls) makes the
>>>>game more accessibile not just to folks with mobility
>>>>problems, but to casual gamers in general.  Cell-phone games
>>>>and one-switch games seem to be made for each other and for
>>>>marketing to the casual gamer.
>>>>
>>>>With #2, I think it would be helpful to enhance our
>>>>suggestions/top-10 list with annotations regarding the
>>>>difficulty to implement such a feature, how it impacts game
>>>>design, and how it helps reach a larger demographic (and how
>>>>large that market-increase is).  The idea of creating a game
>>>>for the Who's _Tommy_ scares a lot of folks.  When we
>>>>mention the word "accessibility", folks see a
>>>>black-and-white world in which a game is either
>>>>inaccessibile, or the "deaf, dumb, and blind kid [that] sure
>>>>plays a mean pinball" can play it.  Perhaps clarifying that
>>>>there's a gradient of accessibility would soften our
>>>>message.  While, yes, it would be great to make games that
>>>>Tommy can play against the hard-core gamer where they're
>>>>both on an equal footing, there's also a range of less
>>>>drastic measures that game designers can incorporate that
>>>>allow them to retain freedom of design while still
>>>>increasing their audience.
>>>>
>>>>The third item is one of the hardest and something that's
>>>>not been discussed quite so much on the list.  A number of
>>>>features for accessibility come at odds with these worlds,
>>>>often because they mirror the same barriers that the real
>>>>world presents.  Some of the items in our top-10 are
>>>>difficult if not impossible to implement in such a world:
>>>>
>>>>- slowing the game down like bullet-time impacts the whole
>>>>  world, or
>>>>- giving everybody access to auto-aiming reduces the
>>>>  challenge for those crazy hard-core gamers, and unlevels
>>>>  some of the playing field
>>>>- adding [CC] becomes more difficult because there's not
>>>>  just a pre-scripted set of lines that the audio department
>>>>  records, but you have live voice-chat that doesn't [CC]
>>>>  easily
>>>>- a broad range of difficulties is hard to implement when
>>>>  the hard-core gamers are in the same world as those that
>>>>  need easier challenges
>>>>
>>>>Theoretically, one could use voice recognition software to
>>>>do dynamic [CC] of voice-chat, but voice recognition
>>>>software still has a long way to go, and sucks up a lot of
>>>>processor time/power from games that may want it.
>>>>
>>>>I understand that some MMOGs have a partitioned world in
>>>>which the newbies (and those that need the "easy" setting)
>>>>can gain their footing.  This is an elegant solution to the
>>>>problem, that players can stay in such a world as long as
>>>>they want/need, and venture into harder partitions as their
>>>>skills grow or as they need more difficulty.
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps a way to address some of the disparity in the world
>>>>is to make it publicly known which settings a person is
>>>>using and perhaps partition players by assistive
>>>>technologies; or reduce assistance as the player levels-up.
>>>>Or newbie players in the sandbox world may have very sloppy
>>>>aiming where auto-assist helps them.  However, as they level
>>>>up, or adventure into more challenging sectors of the
>>>>universe, the auto-assist features start dialing back.  This
>>>>could allow a player that needs assistive features to still
>>>>play, but also allow the hard-core gamers to get their fix
>>>>of difficulty.
>>>>
>>>>Anyways, if you've read this far and haven't written me off
>>>>as a loonie yet, thanks for playing the audience to my
>>>>long-winded ramblings.  Michelle, I don't know if any of
>>>>this is helpful fodder for future postings, but it's mostly
>>>>a brain-dump of my reactions to some of these myths and
>>>>mis-impressions I see on such gaming boards when the topic
>>>>of accessibility comes up.
>>>>
>>>>-tim
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> 





From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Mon May 21 18:40:31 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:40:31 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Help You Play
Message-ID: <044a01c79bf9$0a6212f0$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>

Finally catching up with e-mails...

"Help You Play" - Eelke Folmer's absolutely superb web-site aimed at game developers:

http://www.helpyouplay.com/

Blogged here too:

http://switchgaming.blogspot.com/2007/05/interaction-design-patterns.html

This is brilliant work, Eelke - well done!

Eelke's got an open invitation on-line for more patterns.


Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Mon May 21 19:15:24 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:15:24 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Help You Play
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Hey cool! I'm writing my Terra Nova posts still so I can add this to 
the one I'm posting about your article, Eelke!

Michelle

>Finally catching up with e-mails...
>
>"Help You Play" - Eelke Folmer's absolutely superb web-site aimed at 
>game developers:
>
><http://www.helpyouplay.com/>http://www.helpyouplay.com/
>
>Blogged here too:
>
><http://switchgaming.blogspot.com/2007/05/interaction-design-patterns.html>http://switchgaming.blogspot.com/2007/05/interaction-design-patterns.html
>
>This is brilliant work, Eelke - well done!
>
>Eelke's got an open invitation on-line for more patterns.
>
>
>Barrie
><http://www.OneSwitch.org.uk>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
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>games_access at igda.org
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Mon May 21 19:20:14 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 00:20:14 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
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I agree with, Thomas - 2008 sounds better to me too. And of course, London sounds great by me(!). It would make life easier for me to bring and demonstrate a lot more equipment if it was here. I don't wish to seem selfish though, so happy to hear alternative thoughts...

Just thinking - we do have a lot of new stuff to show off from the IGDA GASIG even without the book being ready (Game Over!, Help You Play, Special Effect, Game Accessibility Shop with new stuff in such as Geoff Harbach's fully compatible PS2 switch interface and so on)...

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Thomas Westin 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 4:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference


  Hi





    So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start discussing it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something attached to another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a "summit" at a time where we aren't so frazzled from GDC.






  Great news! 


  it might be wise to not having it during GDC where visitors are distracted by so many other events


  Perhaps a European conference? Amsterdam, Athens, London or Stockholm are locations / countries where the SIG is already represented in some way (did I forget anyone?)


   I think London would be best from a strategic point-of-view as UK has a lot of game developers and London is more accessible (in flight terms) than Stockholm.


    This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online meetings this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from every major game company we can to attend), do we want it to be small the first year and then cast the net wider the next year?



  Dates: just make sure it doesn't be in conflict with other major events such as all the GDCs, SGS, E for All, Nordic Game etc. For some of the upcoming events check
  http://gamasutra.com/php-bin/calendar.php


  Personally I'd prefer if we can have it after we have the book ready; until then I think we (at least II) have too much too think of to focus on running a conference. Perhaps in May 2008?


  By the way, I'll probably present at Dreamhack in June, the world's largets LAN. 10.000 game crazy kids gather from all over... Statistically some of should have on or another disability so I'll make sure they hear about us.
  www.dreamhack.se



    What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that does conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want and they deal with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, some advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool opportunity!



  Wow! 


  /Thomas


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From ioo at ablegamers.com  Mon May 21 19:41:06 2007
From: ioo at ablegamers.com (Ioo)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:41:06 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Thank you for the Into... AbleGamers.com
Message-ID: <46522E12.6010506@ablegamers.com>

I want to thank Michelle for the intro.

 I am Mark, I am a disabled vet (monoparesis (leg)) and avid lover of 
games. I run AbleGamers.com a site dedicated to disabled gamers, I 
started the site when my sister called me in tears. She was diagnosed 
with MS in 2001, and after a major episode and found she could no longer 
play EQ, something she really enjoyed. She was no longer able to play 
the way she wanted to. So AbleGamers was born.

I want to give disabled gamers a place where they can share ideas, and 
find the right game for them. I also do interviews with developers, 
asking them about upcoming titles. I have found that during these 
interviews many developers had never really thought about how disabled 
players would approach their game. Before the release of EQ2, Sony flew 
a few sites out there for a pre-release visit, I started to talking to 
developers and to my surprise the conversation turned into a Q&A where I 
was the one with the answers, they had the questions!!!

So I say that to say this, AbleGamers is a one man shop, right now it is 
just me, so if you have something you want to add to the site, just send 
it to me, I am always looking for new content, and I pay well if you 
think that nothing is good pay... If you have a review you want to write 
you are welcome to.

Also, if anyone wants to be interviewed or wants to get some info out, 
ping me...

UPCOMING FEATURES!!!!
Well this weekend we are moving to a new server so after that I will be 
posting an interview with Firaxis Games' production manager, with an 
opening statement by SID MEIER!!!  (I am sure most know who he is, 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Meier )

It took me a long time to get this pull. It is a great interview, I 
think it does a lot to help the cause, and Sid's opener is good, and as 
celeb developers recognizing the need for addressing disabled gaming, 
other developers will take note!!!!

I am glad to know that I am not alone in my plight, thank you to 
Michelle for reaching out to me...

Mark Barlet
AbleGamers.com

Forgive any spelling errors, or grammer issues


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Mon May 21 19:47:39 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:47:39 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
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I think that's a smart idea -- targeting 2008 as the year for a 
conference that focuses on a MUCH larger audience that we could 
advert at GDC 2008 in February is a better way to go. And Barrie -- I 
hear you about demo-ing equipment. As Dimitris and Richard can 
attest, that was a LOT of stuff to haul to and from the GDC every day 
(they wouldn't let us store it there overnight and we had to re-set 
up every morning)...and then I think I almost died bringing it from 
Illinois to California!! I know a lot of us have been getting stuff 
from your shop --- perhaps if it wasn't in London we could think 
about sharing the load a bit to avoid, uh, hernias. :)

Yes, we do have a lot of stuff to show and we have a lot of things 
coming up to show them at like HCII in China (which has resulted in 
one of us (me) having serious visa issues...), FuturePlay in Toronto, 
and GDC in San Francisco.

I'm really hoping we can figure out a way to do another workshop at 
GDC (that attendance at GDC 2006 reallllllly killed us!) that can 
serve as a way to combine and show off all these things. But right 
now I'm working on the expo booth so that we can have a set up every 
day that we take turns showing off stuff at but it would also be nice 
to at least have a half-day workshop if not a full-day workshop.

Michelle

>I agree with, Thomas - 2008 sounds better to me too. And of course, 
>London sounds great by me(!). It would make life easier for me to 
>bring and demonstrate a lot more equipment if it was here. I don't 
>wish to seem selfish though, so happy to hear alternative thoughts...
>
>Just thinking - we do have a lot of new stuff to show off from the 
>IGDA GASIG even without the book being ready (Game Over!, Help You 
>Play, Special Effect, Game Accessibility Shop with new stuff in such 
>as Geoff Harbach's fully compatible PS2 switch interface and so 
>on)...
>
>Barrie
><http://www.OneSwitch.org.uk>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:thomas at pininteractive.com>Thomas Westin
>To: <mailto:games_access at igda.org>IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 4:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
>
>Hi
>
>>
>So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start 
>discussing it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts 
>in creating a one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this 
>could be something attached to another conference (like GDC) or on 
>it's own as a "summit" at a time where we aren't so frazzled from 
>GDC.
>
>
>
>Great news!
>
>it might be wise to not having it during GDC where visitors are 
>distracted by so many other events
>
>Perhaps a European conference? Amsterdam, Athens, London or 
>Stockholm are locations / countries where the SIG is already 
>represented in some way (did I forget anyone?)
>
>  I think London would be best from a strategic point-of-view as UK 
>has a lot of game developers and London is more accessible (in 
>flight terms) than Stockholm.
>
>>This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online 
>>meetings this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how 
>>wide we cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from 
>>every major game company we can to attend), do we want it to be 
>>small the first year and then cast the net wider the next year?
>>
>
>Dates: just make sure it doesn't be in conflict with other major 
>events such as all the GDCs, SGS, E for All, Nordic Game etc. For 
>some of the upcoming events check
><http://gamasutra.com/php-bin/calendar.php>http://gamasutra.com/php-bin/calendar.php
>
>Personally I'd prefer if we can have it after we have the book 
>ready; until then I think we (at least II) have too much too think 
>of to focus on running a conference. Perhaps in May 2008?
>
>By the way, I'll probably present at Dreamhack in June, the world's 
>largets LAN. 10.000 game crazy kids gather from all over... 
>Statistically some of should have on or another disability so I'll 
>make sure they hear about us.
>www.dreamhack.se
>
>>What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that 
>>does conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want 
>>and they deal with the registration, hotel block reservations, 
>>venue, some advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool 
>>opportunity!
>>
>
>Wow!
>
>/Thomas
>
>__________________________________
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>VD / CEO
>
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Mon May 21 20:30:15 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:30:15 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
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Ok...so now's the time to get the write ups going for the proposed 
SIG sessions for GDC 2008 (it always takes us a bit to get things 
finalized and GDC is even earlier in 2008) and I some ideas that I 
want to run past people.

We've talked a lot already about applying accessibility to how it 
would help people that don't have a disability (like curb cuts that 
help bicyclists and parents with baby strollers, etc). What if we had 
a session called "Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able Gamers" 
with the session planned around taking what we know about 
accessibility and targeted the solutions for the "abled" in order to 
help them out by taking them out of the lull of "boring, predictable 
gaming"? This would be a session for the really "out there" stuff 
like biofeedback and games like demor. When I presented at last 
year's Montreal Game Summit, I found that it was the "wow" stuff that 
got people thinking about the whole issue of accessibility being 
"cool" -- it was the carrot that got them to listen to the more basic 
design information. After that, people came up to talk to me about 
how they never thought about accessibility as NOT limiting game 
design.

I'm not totally sold on the title (I just came up with it now so 
catchier titles would be greatly appreciated!) but it would give us a 
way to present accessibility information pertaining to disabled 
gamers, sell it as something that helps more than just disabled 
gamers without straying too far from the fact that we are the game 
accessibility SIG.

Another thing to think about is not how gamers is with disabilities 
are limited but, instead, how maybe the increased skill in another 
area makes them even MORE competitive and so "able" gamers should 
know about these -- it's a turn around of telling them what they are 
doing RIGHT in games by pointing out that they could even the score 
with regard to accessibility by keeping these things in their games 
(I know...that last one's trickier because it could lead to a 
developer thinking that they are unbalanced in their gameplay by 
making things easier for one user group...even though they already do 
that when they are INaccessible).

I've seen how easy some find it to forget the original audience that 
a design was aiming for by making changes that end up not serving 
that original audience. So that's why I remain resistant to totally 
taking the word "accessibility" out -- I'm afraid of NOT reminding 
the industry to keep gamers with disabilities in mind because it's so 
easy for them to come down with selective amnesia. We've tried a LOT 
of tactics over the years -- from serious to humorous, from 
roundtables to much more ambitious workshops. So we need to think 
about what we've learned from the four years we've presented as a SIG 
at GDC. We won't do "accessibility idol" again but I think we 
*should* do another competition (and we can again -- we got the 
tentative "thumbs up" to do an hour-long competition, rather than the 
two hour overkill). I'll write another email about ideas for a 
competition that removes us from "idol" but helps us better make 
accessibility into a challenging creative design process rather than 
this "forced, non-creative" thing that it's rumored to be (and this 
year I know to jump on the signage and web advert issue immediately).

BUT...as a SIG I think we should stick to a fun competition (with the 
devs that showed interest last year but couldn't do it but can this 
year), the expo (with the fall back of another "arcade" thing, only 
not three days worth), a "wacky session" like "innovation," and some 
sort of longer session (like a tutorial) where we can have "short 
burst" info about the things that SIG members have been doing -- ie, 
Eelke might take 20-30 minutes to discuss his stuff, Dimitris taking 
the same amount of time to overview his latest, Barrie and his stuff, 
etc, etc, etc. Then if any one person wants to do a longer 
presentation on their own stuff, they can do so at their own session, 
promoting it at the SIG workshop. And if it helps, we can present the 
more solo-acts as SIG-sponsored sessions to make sure it gets on the 
schedule better -- I know Reid and others have had a really hard time 
getting onto the schedule as solo acts. But in the end the longer 
presentations would be the onus of the person who is presenting their 
work and not something that the entire SIG needs to be there to set 
up for, etc (that doesn't mean that we all wouldn't try to be there 
for them!!).

We learned in March that 78.4 SIG sessions (ok, 8) isn't the way to 
go but I also think going back to the single roundtable isn't the 
answer either. So now we have to find our happy medium that allows us 
to all ATTEND other sessions and help increase the buzz about all of 
our sessions, our existance, etc but also maximize our limited 
(simply by the fact that there are just a few of us that can make it 
to any one GDC) efforts in the sessions that we do. And we have to 
find our happy medium so it's not just a couple of us pulling 
all-nighters the weeks before! So instead of me being in charge of 
every session for the organization, we can share the wealth a bit by 
having some on the committee for the competition, others on the 
tutorial/workshop committee, and so forth. I realize that we aren't a 
big lot but even NON attendees can help serve on committees to help 
share ideas!

Ok that's the end of this email that had started out short and sweet. 
:) Sorry -- just feeling the GDC pressure and I realllly want to get 
as many people involved as possible so we can present a more united 
effort and help best support one another!!

Thoughts? Reactions? And, yes, I'm now very removed from the emotions 
of GDC 2007. :) But please be thoughtful in your suggestions -- 
underneath that black leather jacket I keep wearing to GDCs (for good 
luck?), I can get rather down sometimes (yay! depression!) and I'd 
hate for us to have a flame war. I promise I will count to 10 before 
hitting the "send" button if I find myself taking things too 
personally. Ok, deal? :)

Michelle


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Mon May 21 21:10:00 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:10:00 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Thank you for the Into... AbleGamers.com
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References: <46522E12.6010506@ablegamers.com>
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Thanks Mark, for your intro! How exciting about Sid Meier -- I can't 
wait to read the new article! I agree -- the more we appeal to the 
celebs of the dev world, the better. They set the tone! And if there 
are any others that you want to get in touch with, I have a very 
large address book with a lot of celeb devs on it and I'd be happy to 
introduce you to them! Just ping me off list.

As a SIG we all have our own projects going on but we come together 
on this list to help share what we all have going on so that we can 
help spread the news!

As I mentioned to you off list I'm working with Josh Dallman at 
GarageGames on the Great Games Experiment to help us design a portal 
so that we can bring in news and reviews from various sites (and 
allow people to review games within GGE as well). These are exciting 
times!

I think we all know about the one person shops -- that's why it's 
great to have a common gathering place to keep the movement growing!

Michelle (who understands grammar and typos all too well...I really 
am dyslexic...)

>I want to thank Michelle for the intro.
>
>I am Mark, I am a disabled vet (monoparesis (leg)) and avid lover of 
>games. I run AbleGamers.com a site dedicated to disabled gamers, I 
>started the site when my sister called me in tears. She was 
>diagnosed with MS in 2001, and after a major episode and found she 
>could no longer play EQ, something she really enjoyed. She was no 
>longer able to play the way she wanted to. So AbleGamers was born.
>
>I want to give disabled gamers a place where they can share ideas, 
>and find the right game for them. I also do interviews with 
>developers, asking them about upcoming titles. I have found that 
>during these interviews many developers had never really thought 
>about how disabled players would approach their game. Before the 
>release of EQ2, Sony flew a few sites out there for a pre-release 
>visit, I started to talking to developers and to my surprise the 
>conversation turned into a Q&A where I was the one with the answers, 
>they had the questions!!!
>
>So I say that to say this, AbleGamers is a one man shop, right now 
>it is just me, so if you have something you want to add to the site, 
>just send it to me, I am always looking for new content, and I pay 
>well if you think that nothing is good pay... If you have a review 
>you want to write you are welcome to.
>
>Also, if anyone wants to be interviewed or wants to get some info 
>out, ping me...
>
>UPCOMING FEATURES!!!!
>Well this weekend we are moving to a new server so after that I will 
>be posting an interview with Firaxis Games' production manager, with 
>an opening statement by SID MEIER!!!  (I am sure most know who he 
>is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Meier )
>
>It took me a long time to get this pull. It is a great interview, I 
>think it does a lot to help the cause, and Sid's opener is good, and 
>as celeb developers recognizing the need for addressing disabled 
>gaming, other developers will take note!!!!
>
>I am glad to know that I am not alone in my plight, thank you to 
>Michelle for reaching out to me...
>
>Mark Barlet
>AbleGamers.com
>
>Forgive any spelling errors, or grammer issues
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May 22 15:04:42 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:04:42 -0500
Subject: [games_access] E for All
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Ok...don't everyone get too excited just yet but I've just heard from 
the person in charge of the E for All expo (eforallexpo.com), which 
is the new E3 and we're being considered for a small but free of 
charge booth. Accessibility as part of "all" was something that the 
organizers had not thought of before I started pestering them. I'm a 
good pest. :D

So who would be able to attend if we do indeed pull this off? I mean 
this would be HUGE.

More news as soon as I get it!

Michelle


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May 22 15:25:20 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:25:20 -0500
Subject: [games_access] SIG meetings restart next week
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Hehe. Well, I don't think that I was as specific as I could have been 
when I sent this out. We had a great meeting this morning. Lots of 
ideas flowing from the discussion with myself. ;)

KIDDING! But not about being the only one there. Fortunately there's 
not much of a transcript so I'm not as crazy as I thought. ;)

Anyway, I just wanted to say that I was planning these meetings for 
every week. Sure, some meetings will probably be me, myself, and I 
and that's ok. But I hope that the early time will work better for 
the Europeans -- if there is a better time for you guys, let me know. 
I was just guessing. :D

Hope to see an additional MSN-er on Thursday? See below for the time 
info and how to join the meetings.

Michelle

>Hi everyone,
>
>I'd like to try something new with the SIG meetings, by varying the 
>times a bit and having meetings on a regular basis at a set time. I 
>don't expect that everyone will be at (or be able to be at) every 
>meeting but I'm hoping that if we can get some people at one meeting 
>and others and another meeting, we'd really start to find some 
>consistency. But I'll need help (HELP!!) in providing short 
>summaries of the meetings to keep people up-to-speed so that, 
>ideally, they could miss meetings and not be so lost when they can 
>make a meeting.
>
>Tuesdays --  9am (New York Time)
>Thursdays -- 1pm (New York Time)
>
>To check the times in your part of the world (it's not even my part 
>of the world but it's only an hour off!), check World Clock at 
>http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
>
>As a reminder and an invite to those of you who haven't been to a 
>meeting, we use MSN Messenger. Traditionally...we start a little 
>late but I'd like to change that as best as we can so if everyone 
>can arrive a few minutes early, that's great, but I'd rather have 
>people late than not arrive at all (although please be patient if 
>you arrive late so that we can send you the transcript so you can 
>quickly catch up and so that we don't need to constantly bring 
>people up to speed and interrupt the flow of the conversation).
>
>What to do to set up for the meetings? Add me, vrgrrl at hotmail.com 
>(please note that this is a "dead" email account that I don't use so 
>don't send me mail there!), and I'll look for you around the start 
>of the meeting. If you are online and I haven't added you and it's 
>close to the start of the meeting, just IM me and I'll add you to 
>the meeting!
>
>Looking forward to regular meetings on Tuesdays and Thursdays!
>
>Michelle
>
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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Tue May 22 17:11:16 2007
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 23:11:16 +0200
Subject: [games_access] SIG meetings restart next week
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Hi Michelle

> Tuesdays --  9am (New York Time)

ah great! that's a decent time of the day fo rme, now I just need to  
plan ahead a bit... this tuesday, too late, and next two tuesdays  
busy / in Greece for vacation

I'll put it on repeat in Outlook so I reserve that time from now on.  
Thanks!

/Thomas

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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May 22 17:47:18 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:47:18 -0500
Subject: [games_access] SIG meetings restart next week
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Ah -- note that we just switched the dates so that Tuesdays are at 
1pm (new york) and Thursdays at 9am (new york).

How come everyone gets to go on a vacation but me? ;)

>Hi Michelle
>
>>Tuesdays --  9am (New York Time)
>>
>
>ah great! that's a decent time of the day fo rme, now I just need to 
>plan ahead a bit... this tuesday, too late, and next two tuesdays 
>busy / in Greece for vacation
>
>I'll put it on repeat in Outlook so I reserve that time from now on. Thanks!
>
>/Thomas
>
>__________________________________
>Thomas Westin
>VD / CEO
>
>Pin Interactive AB
>:: Digital Culture Analysis :: Tools :: Worlds
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>www.pininteractive.com
>
>
>
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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Tue May 22 17:51:40 2007
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 23:51:40 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
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Hi,

I agree with a lot of what was said here,
__
I think the main thing is to find a way to communicate how GA can  
_enable game designers_ in making new types of game play. (My mantra:  
"be Yoda")

After all both MS and Sony gets their buts kicked by Nintendo who  
focus on innovative interface and gameplay rather than high-end  
rendering. If we can build on that I think we can start making GA  
cool, as Michelle suggested, which is the hardest nut to crack to  
attract game developers in general as I see it. And at  the same  
time, keep "accessibility" in the title.

So my vote for a title would be something like

"Pimp Your Game - with Accessibility!"

OK, I've read this long e-mail, it's getting late here but just a  
quick response to the rest:

- The Arcade, definitely, one day thing - on the expo floor perhaps?  
that would be really cool. Wednesday would be best for this - then we  
can promote the other sessions. Perhaps this year I can video record  
the Arcade so we can share it on Youtube in detail, and not only rely  
on what the media selects to show?

- Other sessions, on Thursday would be ideal as we can promote them  
on the Arcade/expo on Wednesday. Friday - many going home earlier,  
Expo closing earlier etc. So Thursday should be the best day. Just  
make sure we plan it carefully in regard to keynote speaks so we  
don't have our main things at the same time. We should also have a  
session talking about the book of course.

And yes, I totally agree with having a flat organization where  
Michelle don't have to be in charge of all things. I think it will  
also make everyone (well, me at least) more motivated to focus on one  
thing than all sessions and not knowing exactly what to do where and  
when. It will help us all I think.

/Thomas

> We've talked a lot already about applying accessibility to how it  
> would help people that don't have a disability (like curb cuts that  
> help bicyclists and parents with baby strollers, etc). What if we  
> had a session called "Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able  
> Gamers" with the session planned around taking what we know about  
> accessibility and targeted the solutions for the "abled" in order  
> to help them out by taking them out of the lull of "boring,  
> predictable gaming"? This would be a session for the really "out  
> there" stuff like biofeedback and games like demor. When I  
> presented at last year's Montreal Game Summit, I found that it was  
> the "wow" stuff that got people thinking about the whole issue of  
> accessibility being "cool" -- it was the carrot that got them to  
> listen to the more basic design information. After that, people  
> came up to talk to me about how they never thought about  
> accessibility as NOT limiting game design.
>
> I'm not totally sold on the title (I just came up with it now so  
> catchier titles would be greatly appreciated!) but it would give us  
> a way to present accessibility information pertaining to disabled  
> gamers, sell it as something that helps more than just disabled  
> gamers without straying too far from the fact that we are the game  
> accessibility SIG.
>
> Another thing to think about is not how gamers is with disabilities  
> are limited but, instead, how maybe the increased skill in another  
> area makes them even MORE competitive and so "able" gamers should  
> know about these -- it's a turn around of telling them what they  
> are doing RIGHT in games by pointing out that they could even the  
> score with regard to accessibility by keeping these things in their  
> games (I know...that last one's trickier because it could lead to a  
> developer thinking that they are unbalanced in their gameplay by  
> making things easier for one user group...even though they already  
> do that when they are INaccessible).
>
> I've seen how easy some find it to forget the original audience  
> that a design was aiming for by making changes that end up not  
> serving that original audience. So that's why I remain resistant to  
> totally taking the word "accessibility" out -- I'm afraid of NOT  
> reminding the industry to keep gamers with disabilities in mind  
> because it's so easy for them to come down with selective amnesia.  
> We've tried a LOT of tactics over the years -- from serious to  
> humorous, from roundtables to much more ambitious workshops. So we  
> need to think about what we've learned from the four years we've  
> presented as a SIG at GDC. We won't do "accessibility idol" again  
> but I think we *should* do another competition (and we can again --  
> we got the tentative "thumbs up" to do an hour-long competition,  
> rather than the two hour overkill). I'll write another email about  
> ideas for a competition that removes us from "idol" but helps us  
> better make accessibility into a challenging creative design  
> process rather than this "forced, non-creative" thing that it's  
> rumored to be (and this year I know to jump on the signage and web  
> advert issue immediately).
>
> BUT...as a SIG I think we should stick to a fun competition (with  
> the devs that showed interest last year but couldn't do it but can  
> this year), the expo (with the fall back of another "arcade" thing,  
> only not three days worth), a "wacky session" like "innovation,"  
> and some sort of longer session (like a tutorial) where we can have  
> "short burst" info about the things that SIG members have been  
> doing -- ie, Eelke might take 20-30 minutes to discuss his stuff,  
> Dimitris taking the same amount of time to overview his latest,  
> Barrie and his stuff, etc, etc, etc. Then if any one person wants  
> to do a longer presentation on their own stuff, they can do so at  
> their own session, promoting it at the SIG workshop. And if it  
> helps, we can present the more solo-acts as SIG-sponsored sessions  
> to make sure it gets on the schedule better -- I know Reid and  
> others have had a really hard time getting onto the schedule as  
> solo acts. But in the end the longer presentations would be the  
> onus of the person who is presenting their work and not something  
> that the entire SIG needs to be there to set up for, etc (that  
> doesn't mean that we all wouldn't try to be there for them!!).
>
> We learned in March that 78.4 SIG sessions (ok, 8) isn't the way to  
> go but I also think going back to the single roundtable isn't the  
> answer either. So now we have to find our happy medium that allows  
> us to all ATTEND other sessions and help increase the buzz about  
> all of our sessions, our existance, etc but also maximize our  
> limited (simply by the fact that there are just a few of us that  
> can make it to any one GDC) efforts in the sessions that we do. And  
> we have to find our happy medium so it's not just a couple of us  
> pulling all-nighters the weeks before! So instead of me being in  
> charge of every session for the organization, we can share the  
> wealth a bit by having some on the committee for the competition,  
> others on the tutorial/workshop committee, and so forth. I realize  
> that we aren't a big lot but even NON attendees can help serve on  
> committees to help share ideas!
>
> Ok that's the end of this email that had started out short and  
> sweet. :) Sorry -- just feeling the GDC pressure and I realllly  
> want to get as many people involved as possible so we can present a  
> more united effort and help best support one another!!
>
> Thoughts? Reactions? And, yes, I'm now very removed from the  
> emotions of GDC 2007. :) But please be thoughtful in your  
> suggestions -- underneath that black leather jacket I keep wearing  
> to GDCs (for good luck?), I can get rather down sometimes (yay!  
> depression!) and I'd hate for us to have a flame war. I promise I  
> will count to 10 before hitting the "send" button if I find myself  
> taking things too personally. Ok, deal? :)
>
> Michelle
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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Tue May 22 17:52:49 2007
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 23:52:49 +0200
Subject: [games_access] E for All
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wow! that will be THE Arcade! Excellent
/Thomas


22 maj 2007 kl. 21.04 skrev d. michelle hinn:

> but free of charge booth. Ac

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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Tue May 22 17:59:38 2007
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 23:59:38 +0200
Subject: [games_access] SIG meetings restart next week
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22 maj 2007 kl. 23.47 skrev d. michelle hinn:

> Ah -- note that we just switched the dates so that Tuesdays are at  
> 1pm (new york) and Thursdays at 9am (new york).

ah OK, then I actually think I can make it this Thursday!

> How come everyone gets to go on a vacation but me? ;)

yeah I know the feeling; this is my first vacation abroad in five  
years for me, so yes I'll shut off my cell and be totally  
disconnected and just sleeep, swim, enjoy greek food and the sun  
(Sweden is steel a freezer).

/Thomas
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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Tue May 22 18:06:03 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:06:03 -0400
Subject: [games_access] E for All
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Thank you Michelle I got your instant message but came back to my computer
late.  Excellent news.  I don't think I'll have money to come out for that
I'm saving up for GDC 2008.  I'm really hoping for the games for health
conference again to really score big on that one.  In Baltimore.  :-)

Thank you for thinking of me.
Robert

-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:05 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: [games_access] E for All

Ok...don't everyone get too excited just yet but I've just heard from 
the person in charge of the E for All expo (eforallexpo.com), which 
is the new E3 and we're being considered for a small but free of 
charge booth. Accessibility as part of "all" was something that the 
organizers had not thought of before I started pestering them. I'm a 
good pest. :D

So who would be able to attend if we do indeed pull this off? I mean 
this would be HUGE.

More news as soon as I get it!

Michelle
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May 22 18:05:19 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:05:19 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
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Thomas sez...

>- The Arcade, definitely, one day thing - on the expo floor perhaps? 
>that would be really cool. Wednesday would be best for this - then 
>we can promote the other sessions. Perhaps this year I can video 
>record the Arcade so we can share it on Youtube in detail, and not 
>only rely on what the media selects to show?

Well we kind of have two choice -- either we show at the main expo 
for the 2.5 days it's open for everyone or we end up doing just a one 
session arcade that is not part of the expo. BUT if we think through 
it, we can have tag teams taking shifts at the expo booth and that 
would free others up to go drag people to our booth at the expo 
and/or attend other sessions to "escort" people to our booth. Also 
with the expo? We get to LEAVE our stuff there overnight. So that 
alone makes things a TON easier.

>- Other sessions, on Thursday would be ideal as we can promote them 
>on the Arcade/expo on Wednesday. Friday - many going home earlier, 
>Expo closing earlier etc. So Thursday should be the best day. Just 
>make sure we plan it carefully in regard to keynote speaks so we 
>don't have our main things at the same time. We should also have a 
>session talking about the book of course.

I agree that Thursday is the best day for the other sessions -- 
unfortunately? We don't get to choose "when" it is. So we can't tell 
them "no we can't be against Koster!" But perhaps it would hurt to 
ask at any rate.

>And yes, I totally agree with having a flat organization where 
>Michelle don't have to be in charge of all things. I think it will 
>also make everyone (well, me at least) more motivated to focus on 
>one thing than all sessions and not knowing exactly what to do where 
>and when. It will help us all I think.

Yes, I think it will also give people a chance to take a session and 
run with it. I can help get us ON the schedule but I'd rather not 
always be the one chasing down the AV crew, TVs, mics, etc :) and I 
think we'd better served spreading the "how to run this session" 
things out!

Michelle


From thomas at pininteractive.com  Tue May 22 18:07:02 2007
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 00:07:02 +0200
Subject: [games_access] SIG meetings restart next week
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I meant: Sweden is STILL a freezer
/thomas

22 maj 2007 kl. 23.59 skrev Thomas Westin:

> (Sweden is steel a freezer).

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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Tue May 22 18:16:51 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:16:51 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
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We should all be professional.  My reasons for looking back at a bad
experience for 2007 GDC is that I had to leave.  That totally sucked.

This year I'm going to make it worthwhile.  Here are the things that I'm
proposing for the next one.  I'm getting some really strong buzz with my
documentary possibly a huge public relations opportunity I can't say much
about it.  I already have Jeannie Novak, David Perry to people that want to
see it and a potential third that is really going to help out.

Somehow I think if we had an ability to show this video at the conference
coupling that with some sort of opportunity not just to watch and be
inspired see an incredible story and parts of it gets slightly away from
game accessibility but not a lot of it.  The first half hour is all about
game accessibility and then it gets into other things and then comes back to
the conference I spoke at the day I got out of the hospital games for health
conference.  So it wraps up very nicely.

Saying that I need to be if I'm going to GDC 2008 there for specific times.
Probably three may be four days at Max.

I want to thank everyone for your support as well allowing me to reach out
and away I never would have been able to without this group my story,
ability to reach out to companies get a job somehow experience things like
that.  If there are any concerns for my documentary not being able to serve
our purpose please let me know if there's a way we could do it better to
better fit our need.

To Michelle.

You talked briefly about " Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able Gamers"
kind of sounds confusing.  Please hear me out.  So far we haven't exactly
been able to grab their attention both sides of the market able and not able
at this event so maybe we should just give it a regular title and put a
description in the description.  Like "innovation for all" or something.

Top-secret game is an emotional highway for me.  A huge learning experience
on a real game.  We will see what happens with the accessible controls and
interface but if I'm there that will be a place also to get the word out.
I'm trying my heart out to win this thing I know if I win and there's a 100%
chance that our initiative will explode with opportunities but even if
somehow I can get this game to be accessible unlike any other game really
made any effort inside specially interest games in the mainstream market, I
think that will be huge also.  So we will see how that ends up.

Robert



-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:30 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
Importance: High

Ok...so now's the time to get the write ups going for the proposed 
SIG sessions for GDC 2008 (it always takes us a bit to get things 
finalized and GDC is even earlier in 2008) and I some ideas that I 
want to run past people.

We've talked a lot already about applying accessibility to how it 
would help people that don't have a disability (like curb cuts that 
help bicyclists and parents with baby strollers, etc). What if we had 
a session called "Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able Gamers" 
with the session planned around taking what we know about 
accessibility and targeted the solutions for the "abled" in order to 
help them out by taking them out of the lull of "boring, predictable 
gaming"? This would be a session for the really "out there" stuff 
like biofeedback and games like demor. When I presented at last 
year's Montreal Game Summit, I found that it was the "wow" stuff that 
got people thinking about the whole issue of accessibility being 
"cool" -- it was the carrot that got them to listen to the more basic 
design information. After that, people came up to talk to me about 
how they never thought about accessibility as NOT limiting game 
design.

I'm not totally sold on the title (I just came up with it now so 
catchier titles would be greatly appreciated!) but it would give us a 
way to present accessibility information pertaining to disabled 
gamers, sell it as something that helps more than just disabled 
gamers without straying too far from the fact that we are the game 
accessibility SIG.

Another thing to think about is not how gamers is with disabilities 
are limited but, instead, how maybe the increased skill in another 
area makes them even MORE competitive and so "able" gamers should 
know about these -- it's a turn around of telling them what they are 
doing RIGHT in games by pointing out that they could even the score 
with regard to accessibility by keeping these things in their games 
(I know...that last one's trickier because it could lead to a 
developer thinking that they are unbalanced in their gameplay by 
making things easier for one user group...even though they already do 
that when they are INaccessible).

I've seen how easy some find it to forget the original audience that 
a design was aiming for by making changes that end up not serving 
that original audience. So that's why I remain resistant to totally 
taking the word "accessibility" out -- I'm afraid of NOT reminding 
the industry to keep gamers with disabilities in mind because it's so 
easy for them to come down with selective amnesia. We've tried a LOT 
of tactics over the years -- from serious to humorous, from 
roundtables to much more ambitious workshops. So we need to think 
about what we've learned from the four years we've presented as a SIG 
at GDC. We won't do "accessibility idol" again but I think we 
*should* do another competition (and we can again -- we got the 
tentative "thumbs up" to do an hour-long competition, rather than the 
two hour overkill). I'll write another email about ideas for a 
competition that removes us from "idol" but helps us better make 
accessibility into a challenging creative design process rather than 
this "forced, non-creative" thing that it's rumored to be (and this 
year I know to jump on the signage and web advert issue immediately).

BUT...as a SIG I think we should stick to a fun competition (with the 
devs that showed interest last year but couldn't do it but can this 
year), the expo (with the fall back of another "arcade" thing, only 
not three days worth), a "wacky session" like "innovation," and some 
sort of longer session (like a tutorial) where we can have "short 
burst" info about the things that SIG members have been doing -- ie, 
Eelke might take 20-30 minutes to discuss his stuff, Dimitris taking 
the same amount of time to overview his latest, Barrie and his stuff, 
etc, etc, etc. Then if any one person wants to do a longer 
presentation on their own stuff, they can do so at their own session, 
promoting it at the SIG workshop. And if it helps, we can present the 
more solo-acts as SIG-sponsored sessions to make sure it gets on the 
schedule better -- I know Reid and others have had a really hard time 
getting onto the schedule as solo acts. But in the end the longer 
presentations would be the onus of the person who is presenting their 
work and not something that the entire SIG needs to be there to set 
up for, etc (that doesn't mean that we all wouldn't try to be there 
for them!!).

We learned in March that 78.4 SIG sessions (ok, 8) isn't the way to 
go but I also think going back to the single roundtable isn't the 
answer either. So now we have to find our happy medium that allows us 
to all ATTEND other sessions and help increase the buzz about all of 
our sessions, our existance, etc but also maximize our limited 
(simply by the fact that there are just a few of us that can make it 
to any one GDC) efforts in the sessions that we do. And we have to 
find our happy medium so it's not just a couple of us pulling 
all-nighters the weeks before! So instead of me being in charge of 
every session for the organization, we can share the wealth a bit by 
having some on the committee for the competition, others on the 
tutorial/workshop committee, and so forth. I realize that we aren't a 
big lot but even NON attendees can help serve on committees to help 
share ideas!

Ok that's the end of this email that had started out short and sweet. 
:) Sorry -- just feeling the GDC pressure and I realllly want to get 
as many people involved as possible so we can present a more united 
effort and help best support one another!!

Thoughts? Reactions? And, yes, I'm now very removed from the emotions 
of GDC 2007. :) But please be thoughtful in your suggestions -- 
underneath that black leather jacket I keep wearing to GDCs (for good 
luck?), I can get rather down sometimes (yay! depression!) and I'd 
hate for us to have a flame war. I promise I will count to 10 before 
hitting the "send" button if I find myself taking things too 
personally. Ok, deal? :)

Michelle
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May 22 19:33:35 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:33:35 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
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Well, I think we should make sure that GDC is worthwhile for all of 
us and not fall to a couple people so that's why we're starting to 
think about it now.

With regard to your documentary, I think it will have to be done in a 
more experimental setting versus a regular session. I'm going to 
start digging around to see how films get shown at GDC and if there's 
an appropriate venue for that that we haven't thought about yet. This 
would be the session that "you own" that would be sponsored by the 
SIG. I'd say that you should probably plan to be at GDC the final 
three days rather than the first two days if you need to keep up your 
strength. So we'd propose the film session during the main part of 
GDC.

I think if we have a good variety of sessions with different people 
running different sessions then it will work out much better. And I 
think that there is a way of making a design competition fun and 
professional -- we just need to take some of the advise that our 
competitors gave us and tighten things up.

Michelle

>We should all be professional.  My reasons for looking back at a bad
>experience for 2007 GDC is that I had to leave.  That totally sucked.
>
>This year I'm going to make it worthwhile.  Here are the things that I'm
>proposing for the next one.  I'm getting some really strong buzz with my
>documentary possibly a huge public relations opportunity I can't say much
>about it.  I already have Jeannie Novak, David Perry to people that want to
>see it and a potential third that is really going to help out.
>
>Somehow I think if we had an ability to show this video at the conference
>coupling that with some sort of opportunity not just to watch and be
>inspired see an incredible story and parts of it gets slightly away from
>game accessibility but not a lot of it.  The first half hour is all about
>game accessibility and then it gets into other things and then comes back to
>the conference I spoke at the day I got out of the hospital games for health
>conference.  So it wraps up very nicely.
>
>Saying that I need to be if I'm going to GDC 2008 there for specific times.
>Probably three may be four days at Max.
>
>I want to thank everyone for your support as well allowing me to reach out
>and away I never would have been able to without this group my story,
>ability to reach out to companies get a job somehow experience things like
>that.  If there are any concerns for my documentary not being able to serve
>our purpose please let me know if there's a way we could do it better to
>better fit our need.
>
>To Michelle.
>
>You talked briefly about " Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able Gamers"
>kind of sounds confusing.  Please hear me out.  So far we haven't exactly
>been able to grab their attention both sides of the market able and not able
>at this event so maybe we should just give it a regular title and put a
>description in the description.  Like "innovation for all" or something.
>
>Top-secret game is an emotional highway for me.  A huge learning experience
>on a real game.  We will see what happens with the accessible controls and
>interface but if I'm there that will be a place also to get the word out.
>I'm trying my heart out to win this thing I know if I win and there's a 100%
>chance that our initiative will explode with opportunities but even if
>somehow I can get this game to be accessible unlike any other game really
>made any effort inside specially interest games in the mainstream market, I
>think that will be huge also.  So we will see how that ends up.
>
>Robert
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
>On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn
>Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:30 PM
>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
>Importance: High
>
>Ok...so now's the time to get the write ups going for the proposed
>SIG sessions for GDC 2008 (it always takes us a bit to get things
>finalized and GDC is even earlier in 2008) and I some ideas that I
>want to run past people.
>
>We've talked a lot already about applying accessibility to how it
>would help people that don't have a disability (like curb cuts that
>help bicyclists and parents with baby strollers, etc). What if we had
>a session called "Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able Gamers"
>with the session planned around taking what we know about
>accessibility and targeted the solutions for the "abled" in order to
>help them out by taking them out of the lull of "boring, predictable
>gaming"? This would be a session for the really "out there" stuff
>like biofeedback and games like demor. When I presented at last
>year's Montreal Game Summit, I found that it was the "wow" stuff that
>got people thinking about the whole issue of accessibility being
>"cool" -- it was the carrot that got them to listen to the more basic
>design information. After that, people came up to talk to me about
>how they never thought about accessibility as NOT limiting game
>design.
>
>I'm not totally sold on the title (I just came up with it now so
>catchier titles would be greatly appreciated!) but it would give us a
>way to present accessibility information pertaining to disabled
>gamers, sell it as something that helps more than just disabled
>gamers without straying too far from the fact that we are the game
>accessibility SIG.
>
>Another thing to think about is not how gamers is with disabilities
>are limited but, instead, how maybe the increased skill in another
>area makes them even MORE competitive and so "able" gamers should
>know about these -- it's a turn around of telling them what they are
>doing RIGHT in games by pointing out that they could even the score
>with regard to accessibility by keeping these things in their games
>(I know...that last one's trickier because it could lead to a
>developer thinking that they are unbalanced in their gameplay by
>making things easier for one user group...even though they already do
>that when they are INaccessible).
>
>I've seen how easy some find it to forget the original audience that
>a design was aiming for by making changes that end up not serving
>that original audience. So that's why I remain resistant to totally
>taking the word "accessibility" out -- I'm afraid of NOT reminding
>the industry to keep gamers with disabilities in mind because it's so
>easy for them to come down with selective amnesia. We've tried a LOT
>of tactics over the years -- from serious to humorous, from
>roundtables to much more ambitious workshops. So we need to think
>about what we've learned from the four years we've presented as a SIG
>at GDC. We won't do "accessibility idol" again but I think we
>*should* do another competition (and we can again -- we got the
>tentative "thumbs up" to do an hour-long competition, rather than the
>two hour overkill). I'll write another email about ideas for a
>competition that removes us from "idol" but helps us better make
>accessibility into a challenging creative design process rather than
>this "forced, non-creative" thing that it's rumored to be (and this
>year I know to jump on the signage and web advert issue immediately).
>
>BUT...as a SIG I think we should stick to a fun competition (with the
>devs that showed interest last year but couldn't do it but can this
>year), the expo (with the fall back of another "arcade" thing, only
>not three days worth), a "wacky session" like "innovation," and some
>sort of longer session (like a tutorial) where we can have "short
>burst" info about the things that SIG members have been doing -- ie,
>Eelke might take 20-30 minutes to discuss his stuff, Dimitris taking
>the same amount of time to overview his latest, Barrie and his stuff,
>etc, etc, etc. Then if any one person wants to do a longer
>presentation on their own stuff, they can do so at their own session,
>promoting it at the SIG workshop. And if it helps, we can present the
>more solo-acts as SIG-sponsored sessions to make sure it gets on the
>schedule better -- I know Reid and others have had a really hard time
>getting onto the schedule as solo acts. But in the end the longer
>presentations would be the onus of the person who is presenting their
>work and not something that the entire SIG needs to be there to set
>up for, etc (that doesn't mean that we all wouldn't try to be there
>for them!!).
>
>We learned in March that 78.4 SIG sessions (ok, 8) isn't the way to
>go but I also think going back to the single roundtable isn't the
>answer either. So now we have to find our happy medium that allows us
>to all ATTEND other sessions and help increase the buzz about all of
>our sessions, our existance, etc but also maximize our limited
>(simply by the fact that there are just a few of us that can make it
>to any one GDC) efforts in the sessions that we do. And we have to
>find our happy medium so it's not just a couple of us pulling
>all-nighters the weeks before! So instead of me being in charge of
>every session for the organization, we can share the wealth a bit by
>having some on the committee for the competition, others on the
>tutorial/workshop committee, and so forth. I realize that we aren't a
>big lot but even NON attendees can help serve on committees to help
>share ideas!
>
>Ok that's the end of this email that had started out short and sweet.
>:) Sorry -- just feeling the GDC pressure and I realllly want to get
>as many people involved as possible so we can present a more united
>effort and help best support one another!!
>
>Thoughts? Reactions? And, yes, I'm now very removed from the emotions
>of GDC 2007. :) But please be thoughtful in your suggestions --
>underneath that black leather jacket I keep wearing to GDCs (for good
>luck?), I can get rather down sometimes (yay! depression!) and I'd
>hate for us to have a flame war. I promise I will count to 10 before
>hitting the "send" button if I find myself taking things too
>personally. Ok, deal? :)
>
>Michelle
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May 22 20:15:33 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:15:33 -0500
Subject: [games_access] E for All
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Yes, couple that with a booth at GDC...for the first time we'll have 
the chance to really get the word on the street! Or at least the 
'net. :)

>wow! that will be THE Arcade! Excellent
>/Thomas
>
>
>22 maj 2007 kl. 21.04 skrev d. michelle hinn:
>
>>but free of charge booth. Ac
>>
>
>__________________________________
>Thomas Westin
>VD / CEO
>
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>:: Digital Culture Analysis :: Tools :: Worlds
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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Tue May 22 20:22:03 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:22:03 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
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	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIwkaicA
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Thank you I appreciate the input tremendously.  That's a definite good
outlook making it more worthwhile for everyone.  I will have to keep in mind
though number for me to make it not I won't be able to afford those passes.
So I'll have to try and work extra hard to win this top-secret thing.
:-)lol

Make sure I can get there.  The last three days makes sense.  That does make
sense also finding out what kind of format is best for a documentary or how
films get viewed their.

What was some of the advice that the competitors gave us?  I hope it's
juicy.

Robert
www.RobertFlorio.com   

-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:34 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008

Well, I think we should make sure that GDC is worthwhile for all of 
us and not fall to a couple people so that's why we're starting to 
think about it now.

With regard to your documentary, I think it will have to be done in a 
more experimental setting versus a regular session. I'm going to 
start digging around to see how films get shown at GDC and if there's 
an appropriate venue for that that we haven't thought about yet. This 
would be the session that "you own" that would be sponsored by the 
SIG. I'd say that you should probably plan to be at GDC the final 
three days rather than the first two days if you need to keep up your 
strength. So we'd propose the film session during the main part of 
GDC.

I think if we have a good variety of sessions with different people 
running different sessions then it will work out much better. And I 
think that there is a way of making a design competition fun and 
professional -- we just need to take some of the advise that our 
competitors gave us and tighten things up.

Michelle

>We should all be professional.  My reasons for looking back at a bad
>experience for 2007 GDC is that I had to leave.  That totally sucked.
>
>This year I'm going to make it worthwhile.  Here are the things that I'm
>proposing for the next one.  I'm getting some really strong buzz with my
>documentary possibly a huge public relations opportunity I can't say much
>about it.  I already have Jeannie Novak, David Perry to people that want to
>see it and a potential third that is really going to help out.
>
>Somehow I think if we had an ability to show this video at the conference
>coupling that with some sort of opportunity not just to watch and be
>inspired see an incredible story and parts of it gets slightly away from
>game accessibility but not a lot of it.  The first half hour is all about
>game accessibility and then it gets into other things and then comes back
to
>the conference I spoke at the day I got out of the hospital games for
health
>conference.  So it wraps up very nicely.
>
>Saying that I need to be if I'm going to GDC 2008 there for specific times.
>Probably three may be four days at Max.
>
>I want to thank everyone for your support as well allowing me to reach out
>and away I never would have been able to without this group my story,
>ability to reach out to companies get a job somehow experience things like
>that.  If there are any concerns for my documentary not being able to serve
>our purpose please let me know if there's a way we could do it better to
>better fit our need.
>
>To Michelle.
>
>You talked briefly about " Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able Gamers"
>kind of sounds confusing.  Please hear me out.  So far we haven't exactly
>been able to grab their attention both sides of the market able and not
able
>at this event so maybe we should just give it a regular title and put a
>description in the description.  Like "innovation for all" or something.
>
>Top-secret game is an emotional highway for me.  A huge learning experience
>on a real game.  We will see what happens with the accessible controls and
>interface but if I'm there that will be a place also to get the word out.
>I'm trying my heart out to win this thing I know if I win and there's a
100%
>chance that our initiative will explode with opportunities but even if
>somehow I can get this game to be accessible unlike any other game really
>made any effort inside specially interest games in the mainstream market, I
>think that will be huge also.  So we will see how that ends up.
>
>Robert
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
>On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn
>Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:30 PM
>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
>Importance: High
>
>Ok...so now's the time to get the write ups going for the proposed
>SIG sessions for GDC 2008 (it always takes us a bit to get things
>finalized and GDC is even earlier in 2008) and I some ideas that I
>want to run past people.
>
>We've talked a lot already about applying accessibility to how it
>would help people that don't have a disability (like curb cuts that
>help bicyclists and parents with baby strollers, etc). What if we had
>a session called "Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able Gamers"
>with the session planned around taking what we know about
>accessibility and targeted the solutions for the "abled" in order to
>help them out by taking them out of the lull of "boring, predictable
>gaming"? This would be a session for the really "out there" stuff
>like biofeedback and games like demor. When I presented at last
>year's Montreal Game Summit, I found that it was the "wow" stuff that
>got people thinking about the whole issue of accessibility being
>"cool" -- it was the carrot that got them to listen to the more basic
>design information. After that, people came up to talk to me about
>how they never thought about accessibility as NOT limiting game
>design.
>
>I'm not totally sold on the title (I just came up with it now so
>catchier titles would be greatly appreciated!) but it would give us a
>way to present accessibility information pertaining to disabled
>gamers, sell it as something that helps more than just disabled
>gamers without straying too far from the fact that we are the game
>accessibility SIG.
>
>Another thing to think about is not how gamers is with disabilities
>are limited but, instead, how maybe the increased skill in another
>area makes them even MORE competitive and so "able" gamers should
>know about these -- it's a turn around of telling them what they are
>doing RIGHT in games by pointing out that they could even the score
>with regard to accessibility by keeping these things in their games
>(I know...that last one's trickier because it could lead to a
>developer thinking that they are unbalanced in their gameplay by
>making things easier for one user group...even though they already do
>that when they are INaccessible).
>
>I've seen how easy some find it to forget the original audience that
>a design was aiming for by making changes that end up not serving
>that original audience. So that's why I remain resistant to totally
>taking the word "accessibility" out -- I'm afraid of NOT reminding
>the industry to keep gamers with disabilities in mind because it's so
>easy for them to come down with selective amnesia. We've tried a LOT
>of tactics over the years -- from serious to humorous, from
>roundtables to much more ambitious workshops. So we need to think
>about what we've learned from the four years we've presented as a SIG
>at GDC. We won't do "accessibility idol" again but I think we
>*should* do another competition (and we can again -- we got the
>tentative "thumbs up" to do an hour-long competition, rather than the
>two hour overkill). I'll write another email about ideas for a
>competition that removes us from "idol" but helps us better make
>accessibility into a challenging creative design process rather than
>this "forced, non-creative" thing that it's rumored to be (and this
>year I know to jump on the signage and web advert issue immediately).
>
>BUT...as a SIG I think we should stick to a fun competition (with the
>devs that showed interest last year but couldn't do it but can this
>year), the expo (with the fall back of another "arcade" thing, only
>not three days worth), a "wacky session" like "innovation," and some
>sort of longer session (like a tutorial) where we can have "short
>burst" info about the things that SIG members have been doing -- ie,
>Eelke might take 20-30 minutes to discuss his stuff, Dimitris taking
>the same amount of time to overview his latest, Barrie and his stuff,
>etc, etc, etc. Then if any one person wants to do a longer
>presentation on their own stuff, they can do so at their own session,
>promoting it at the SIG workshop. And if it helps, we can present the
>more solo-acts as SIG-sponsored sessions to make sure it gets on the
>schedule better -- I know Reid and others have had a really hard time
>getting onto the schedule as solo acts. But in the end the longer
>presentations would be the onus of the person who is presenting their
>work and not something that the entire SIG needs to be there to set
>up for, etc (that doesn't mean that we all wouldn't try to be there
>for them!!).
>
>We learned in March that 78.4 SIG sessions (ok, 8) isn't the way to
>go but I also think going back to the single roundtable isn't the
>answer either. So now we have to find our happy medium that allows us
>to all ATTEND other sessions and help increase the buzz about all of
>our sessions, our existance, etc but also maximize our limited
>(simply by the fact that there are just a few of us that can make it
>to any one GDC) efforts in the sessions that we do. And we have to
>find our happy medium so it's not just a couple of us pulling
>all-nighters the weeks before! So instead of me being in charge of
>every session for the organization, we can share the wealth a bit by
>having some on the committee for the competition, others on the
>tutorial/workshop committee, and so forth. I realize that we aren't a
>big lot but even NON attendees can help serve on committees to help
>share ideas!
>
>Ok that's the end of this email that had started out short and sweet.
>:) Sorry -- just feeling the GDC pressure and I realllly want to get
>as many people involved as possible so we can present a more united
>effort and help best support one another!!
>
>Thoughts? Reactions? And, yes, I'm now very removed from the emotions
>of GDC 2007. :) But please be thoughtful in your suggestions --
>underneath that black leather jacket I keep wearing to GDCs (for good
>luck?), I can get rather down sometimes (yay! depression!) and I'd
>hate for us to have a flame war. I promise I will count to 10 before
>hitting the "send" button if I find myself taking things too
>personally. Ok, deal? :)
>
>Michelle
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
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From reid at rbkdesign.com  Wed May 23 01:03:39 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:03:39 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
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I like something along these lines for a GDC session title,

Innovation: True Next Generation Gameplay for Everyone

However, it risks sounding like marketing hype and devs see right
through that. Anyway, this could be our "wow that's cool shit" type of
presentation where we talk about the Demor sound based game for the
blind and Brain Fingers and the Haptic device. We try to make this as
flashy and cool as possible, even if tech isn't 100% there or games
widely available. It should be entertaining for people who like to see
what's around the corner and educational in showing people that there
are those with disabilities that can't play their current games.

Aside from that, I'd like to try the Expo booth more than a GDC
session. There's only a few ways I can talk about closed captioning
and I think I've tried them all.

-Reid



On 5/21/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> Ok...so now's the time to get the write ups going for the proposed
> SIG sessions for GDC 2008 (it always takes us a bit to get things
> finalized and GDC is even earlier in 2008) and I some ideas that I
> want to run past people.
>
> We've talked a lot already about applying accessibility to how it
> would help people that don't have a disability (like curb cuts that
> help bicyclists and parents with baby strollers, etc). What if we had
> a session called "Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able Gamers"
> with the session planned around taking what we know about
> accessibility and targeted the solutions for the "abled" in order to
> help them out by taking them out of the lull of "boring, predictable
> gaming"? This would be a session for the really "out there" stuff
> like biofeedback and games like demor. When I presented at last
> year's Montreal Game Summit, I found that it was the "wow" stuff that
> got people thinking about the whole issue of accessibility being
> "cool" -- it was the carrot that got them to listen to the more basic
> design information. After that, people came up to talk to me about
> how they never thought about accessibility as NOT limiting game
> design.
>
> I'm not totally sold on the title (I just came up with it now so
> catchier titles would be greatly appreciated!) but it would give us a
> way to present accessibility information pertaining to disabled
> gamers, sell it as something that helps more than just disabled
> gamers without straying too far from the fact that we are the game
> accessibility SIG.
>
> Another thing to think about is not how gamers is with disabilities
> are limited but, instead, how maybe the increased skill in another
> area makes them even MORE competitive and so "able" gamers should
> know about these -- it's a turn around of telling them what they are
> doing RIGHT in games by pointing out that they could even the score
> with regard to accessibility by keeping these things in their games
> (I know...that last one's trickier because it could lead to a
> developer thinking that they are unbalanced in their gameplay by
> making things easier for one user group...even though they already do
> that when they are INaccessible).
>
> I've seen how easy some find it to forget the original audience that
> a design was aiming for by making changes that end up not serving
> that original audience. So that's why I remain resistant to totally
> taking the word "accessibility" out -- I'm afraid of NOT reminding
> the industry to keep gamers with disabilities in mind because it's so
> easy for them to come down with selective amnesia. We've tried a LOT
> of tactics over the years -- from serious to humorous, from
> roundtables to much more ambitious workshops. So we need to think
> about what we've learned from the four years we've presented as a SIG
> at GDC. We won't do "accessibility idol" again but I think we
> *should* do another competition (and we can again -- we got the
> tentative "thumbs up" to do an hour-long competition, rather than the
> two hour overkill). I'll write another email about ideas for a
> competition that removes us from "idol" but helps us better make
> accessibility into a challenging creative design process rather than
> this "forced, non-creative" thing that it's rumored to be (and this
> year I know to jump on the signage and web advert issue immediately).
>
> BUT...as a SIG I think we should stick to a fun competition (with the
> devs that showed interest last year but couldn't do it but can this
> year), the expo (with the fall back of another "arcade" thing, only
> not three days worth), a "wacky session" like "innovation," and some
> sort of longer session (like a tutorial) where we can have "short
> burst" info about the things that SIG members have been doing -- ie,
> Eelke might take 20-30 minutes to discuss his stuff, Dimitris taking
> the same amount of time to overview his latest, Barrie and his stuff,
> etc, etc, etc. Then if any one person wants to do a longer
> presentation on their own stuff, they can do so at their own session,
> promoting it at the SIG workshop. And if it helps, we can present the
> more solo-acts as SIG-sponsored sessions to make sure it gets on the
> schedule better -- I know Reid and others have had a really hard time
> getting onto the schedule as solo acts. But in the end the longer
> presentations would be the onus of the person who is presenting their
> work and not something that the entire SIG needs to be there to set
> up for, etc (that doesn't mean that we all wouldn't try to be there
> for them!!).
>
> We learned in March that 78.4 SIG sessions (ok, 8) isn't the way to
> go but I also think going back to the single roundtable isn't the
> answer either. So now we have to find our happy medium that allows us
> to all ATTEND other sessions and help increase the buzz about all of
> our sessions, our existance, etc but also maximize our limited
> (simply by the fact that there are just a few of us that can make it
> to any one GDC) efforts in the sessions that we do. And we have to
> find our happy medium so it's not just a couple of us pulling
> all-nighters the weeks before! So instead of me being in charge of
> every session for the organization, we can share the wealth a bit by
> having some on the committee for the competition, others on the
> tutorial/workshop committee, and so forth. I realize that we aren't a
> big lot but even NON attendees can help serve on committees to help
> share ideas!
>
> Ok that's the end of this email that had started out short and sweet.
> :) Sorry -- just feeling the GDC pressure and I realllly want to get
> as many people involved as possible so we can present a more united
> effort and help best support one another!!
>
> Thoughts? Reactions? And, yes, I'm now very removed from the emotions
> of GDC 2007. :) But please be thoughtful in your suggestions --
> underneath that black leather jacket I keep wearing to GDCs (for good
> luck?), I can get rather down sometimes (yay! depression!) and I'd
> hate for us to have a flame war. I promise I will count to 10 before
> hitting the "send" button if I find myself taking things too
> personally. Ok, deal? :)
>
> Michelle
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From reid at rbkdesign.com  Wed May 23 01:06:13 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:06:13 -0700
Subject: [games_access] E for All
In-Reply-To: <p06230920c27937c8bdb7@130.126.29.84>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83>
	<021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<p06230914c27649ee5f84@130.126.29.83>
	<p06230917c278ee3c80d5@130.126.29.84>
	<602BA2C5-5F08-40B7-AA1C-610F2A8D6B10@pininteractive.com>
	<p06230920c27937c8bdb7@130.126.29.84>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0705222206l2c045917l1e49e5a3ff7e778c@mail.gmail.com>

There's a possibility I could attend as it's on the west coast.
There's another conference I'll probably attend in Oct, will send an
email about it soon.

-Reid

On 5/22/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> Yes, couple that with a booth at GDC...for the first time we'll have
> the chance to really get the word on the street! Or at least the
> 'net. :)
>
> >wow! that will be THE Arcade! Excellent
> >/Thomas
> >
> >
> >22 maj 2007 kl. 21.04 skrev d. michelle hinn:
> >
> >>but free of charge booth. Ac
> >>
> >
> >__________________________________
> >Thomas Westin
> >VD / CEO
> >
> >Pin Interactive AB
> >:: Digital Culture Analysis :: Tools :: Worlds
> >__________________________________
> >Award Winning Developer
> >www.pininteractive.com
> >
> >
> >
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From reid at rbkdesign.com  Wed May 23 01:16:13 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:16:13 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Disability Awareness Week at Ohlone College
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0705222216w50e1a3d0j68ee34febbba5081@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I was contacted by a Victor Cardenas of Ohlone College in Fremont,
California regarding a week long conference they run each year to
celebrate National Disability Awareness month in October. During their
Disability Awareness week they are looking for speeches, workshops and
such. After talking to Victor a bit, I've tentatively agreed to
present at the conference talking about closed captioning in games. If
anyone else would like to come down and give a talk, I can get you in
touch with Victor to work out the details. He's even open to the idea
of an Accessibility Arcade or anything else we come up with. They have
a brand new videogame design program so we can be sure to get a lot of
attention from those students and I'm told they have a large deaf
population.

-Reid


From ladysekhmet.dj at gmail.com  Wed May 23 10:00:23 2007
From: ladysekhmet.dj at gmail.com (DJ Bono)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:00:23 -0400
Subject: [games_access] E For All, and other stuff
Message-ID: <21e80ec20705230700g78a7cff9rb76bc5868727bbcd@mail.gmail.com>

Whoa, I've been reading up on a lot of posts. So I have a few comments.
This is from Tim "- adding [CC] becomes more difficult because there's not
 just a pre-scripted set of lines that the audio department
 records, but you have live voice-chat that doesn't [CC]
 easily

Theoretically, one could use voice recognition software to
do dynamic [CC] of voice-chat, but voice recognition
software still has a long way to go, and sucks up a lot of
processor time/power from games that may want it."

It's interesting that you said about voice chat and stuff. I don't know
about other deafies, but for me, I could care less about having a chat mode.
It's very distracting to try to play a game and read what other people are
saying. I have never played a MMORPG before, so it may be a little bit
different in that method.  Live and voice chats are the reason why I don't
play online games such as Halo or whatever.  Besides, how would the program
recongize MY voice?? I do speak english fluentlly, and people sometime don't
even realize that I'm deaf. However, I have tried using my mom's voice
recongization program, and it does squat. Not all deafies have great voices,
and some don't speak at all....regardless, voice recognition is not the way
to go to satisfy the needs of deaf people.  I don't have XBox360, but I've
seen the new controller with the "sidekick" ripoff keyboard on the
controller...does anyone have one and does it really work? There's a lot of
deaf people that i know that can thumb type unbelievably at a high speed, so
they do have a lot of dexiterity (woot!), to do both type chat and play
games.
    However, I do notice that there has been increasing games that are
subtitled though. Closed Captioning is different from Subtitling....huge
difference. :-) Sometimes I do get a little disappointed with certain games,
but over the years of playing games I've come to term to accept them. One of
the nicest thing anyone can do is to type out the words for the cutscenes of
certain games (Resident Evil 4 comes in mind...one guy typed the entire
script because his girlfriend is deaf).  We do have a long way to go, but
we're getting there!
    Reid - is there any way we can cry "ADA Law!" to these Game
Developers??? :-)


Secondly - I'm a bit of a noob...so forgive me.  How do one get invited to
go to GDC? I would LOVE to go in 2008, but how do I get invited?  I'm
thinking about going to E for All, but it may cost me quite a lot of money
as I'm coming from New Jersey...hence why I may not be able to attend to E
for All AND GDC.  Maybe I should move to California!

     Also, the biggest concern I have is the ability to get interpreters.
That's all that really matters to me. Many expos like this won't be willing
to pay for interpreters just for one person or two, and they would need to
hire at least 4 interpreters to rotate...otherwise THEY will have disabled
hands, and that, my friends, costs a lot of money.


Sorry for the long email....:-)

DJ
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From reid at rbkdesign.com  Wed May 23 10:46:17 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 07:46:17 -0700
Subject: [games_access] E For All, and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <21e80ec20705230700g78a7cff9rb76bc5868727bbcd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21e80ec20705230700g78a7cff9rb76bc5868727bbcd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0705230746w733ae419t19e0e35c24d136d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I have seen the x360 controller keypad add-on and think it's a
great move. I worry it won't be compatible with some games. I don't
think there is a way to type msgs in a game like Halo. Forget that
Halo is fast paced and people shouldn't type during play. There still
needs to be that option because as DJ pointed out, some deaf don't
speak clearly (not their fault). I would prefer games to offer a
variety of options for communicating.
1. voice chat
2. build sentences or choose complete sentences by choosing from a menu
3. text typing

Users could have the option of converting all incoming text to voice
if they choose. Unreal Tournament 2004 does this I think. Conversely,
voice to text would be great, but does need improvement and finally
straight text to text. I think that would help bridge the gap. It's
unfortunate deaf players avoid games that use voice communication. I
doubt many game devs are aware of this.

As for ADA law... I have to read up more on it, but I don't think it
covers games for entertainment purposes. We can warn devs of a future
scenario where they could one day face lawsuits, but that's not very
compelling.

-Reid



On 5/23/07, DJ Bono <ladysekhmet.dj at gmail.com> wrote:
> Whoa, I've been reading up on a lot of posts. So I have a few comments.
> This is from Tim "- adding [CC] becomes more difficult because there's not
>   just a pre-scripted set of lines that the audio department
>   records, but you have live voice-chat that doesn't [CC]
>   easily
>
> Theoretically, one could use voice recognition software to
> do dynamic [CC] of voice-chat, but voice recognition
> software still has a long way to go, and sucks up a lot of
> processor time/power from games that may want it."
>
> It's interesting that you said about voice chat and stuff. I don't know
> about other deafies, but for me, I could care less about having a chat mode.
> It's very distracting to try to play a game and read what other people are
> saying. I have never played a MMORPG before, so it may be a little bit
> different in that method.  Live and voice chats are the reason why I don't
> play online games such as Halo or whatever.  Besides, how would the program
> recongize MY voice?? I do speak english fluentlly, and people sometime don't
> even realize that I'm deaf. However, I have tried using my mom's voice
> recongization program, and it does squat. Not all deafies have great voices,
> and some don't speak at all....regardless, voice recognition is not the way
> to go to satisfy the needs of deaf people.  I don't have XBox360, but I've
> seen the new controller with the "sidekick" ripoff keyboard on the
> controller...does anyone have one and does it really work? There's a lot of
> deaf people that i know that can thumb type unbelievably at a high speed, so
> they do have a lot of dexiterity (woot!), to do both type chat and play
> games.
>     However, I do notice that there has been increasing games that are
> subtitled though. Closed Captioning is different from Subtitling....huge
> difference. :-) Sometimes I do get a little disappointed with certain games,
> but over the years of playing games I've come to term to accept them. One of
> the nicest thing anyone can do is to type out the words for the cutscenes of
> certain games (Resident Evil 4 comes in mind...one guy typed the entire
> script because his girlfriend is deaf).  We do have a long way to go, but
> we're getting there!
>     Reid - is there any way we can cry "ADA Law!" to these Game
> Developers??? :-)
>
>
> Secondly - I'm a bit of a noob...so forgive me.  How do one get invited to
> go to GDC? I would LOVE to go in 2008, but how do I get invited?  I'm
> thinking about going to E for All, but it may cost me quite a lot of money
> as I'm coming from New Jersey...hence why I may not be able to attend to E
> for All AND GDC.  Maybe I should move to California!
>
>      Also, the biggest concern I have is the ability to get interpreters.
> That's all that really matters to me. Many expos like this won't be willing
> to pay for interpreters just for one person or two, and they would need to
> hire at least 4 interpreters to rotate...otherwise THEY will have disabled
> hands, and that, my friends, costs a lot of money.
>
>
> Sorry for the long email....:-)
>
> DJ
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>


From agdev at thechases.com  Wed May 23 11:34:22 2007
From: agdev at thechases.com (Tim Chase)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:34:22 -0500
Subject: [games_access] E For All, and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <21e80ec20705230700g78a7cff9rb76bc5868727bbcd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21e80ec20705230700g78a7cff9rb76bc5868727bbcd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46545EFE.80601@thechases.com>

>> Theoretically, one could use voice recognition software to 
>> do dynamic [CC] of voice-chat, but voice recognition 
>> software still has a long way to go, and sucks up a lot of 
>> processor time/power from games that may want it."
> 
> Besides, how would the program recongize MY voice?? I do speak
> english fluentlly, and people sometime don't even realize that
> I'm deaf. However, I have tried using my mom's voice 
> recongization program, and it does squat. Not all deafies have
> great voices, and some don't speak at all....regardless, voice
> recognition is not the way to go to satisfy the needs of deaf
> people.

Heh, must have been a little miscommunication on my part
there...my suggestion for using voice-recog was not so much that
the deaf player would speak to the computer, but rather to allow
for a sort of "dynamic captioning" so that a deaf player (or
someone without speakers/headphones, or whatever might prevent
them from hearing conversations) has a chance of following along
while their teammates chat.  Thus, while your teammates might be
using voice chat, your local VR system could theoretically pull
in those voice feeds and dynamically caption them.  Or at least
give the half-hearted transcription that VR currently provides
(95-98% recognition sounds impressively high until you try and
use it) while dragging your processor to its knees.  However, it
might be better than nothing.

Or, it would be even crazier to allow voice+video chat which
might theoretically allow signing teammates to sign to each
other.  Granted, trying to sign in the heat of battle when both
hands are on the controller might be a bit of a challenge, but it
at least opens another avenue of communication between teammates.
This could even be taken a step further and use image processing
on the local side of things so that the player's avatar does the
signing.  Granted, the computer would only pick up gross
movements, rather than the subtle nuances that are involved in
signing, so this might be a step backwards for accessibility. :-/

-tim





From reid at rbkdesign.com  Wed May 23 12:17:26 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:17:26 -0700
Subject: [games_access] E For All, and other stuff
In-Reply-To: <46545EFE.80601@thechases.com>
References: <21e80ec20705230700g78a7cff9rb76bc5868727bbcd@mail.gmail.com>
	<46545EFE.80601@thechases.com>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0705230917t60aee719j4d9540da7e47bf9d@mail.gmail.com>

One thing I realized with the Nintendo Wii is that there isn't one
technology or technique that makes something accessible to everyone.
It's the combination of many different options and techniques that
give people the choice of how to access the games they play. In other
words, I think all of the ideas presented are equally valid because
someone is likely it find them suitable for their needs. The trick is
getting developers to implement all these options in a way that
doesn't overwhelm the user.

-Reid

On 5/23/07, Tim Chase <agdev at thechases.com> wrote:
> >> Theoretically, one could use voice recognition software to
> >> do dynamic [CC] of voice-chat, but voice recognition
> >> software still has a long way to go, and sucks up a lot of
> >> processor time/power from games that may want it."
> >
> > Besides, how would the program recongize MY voice?? I do speak
> > english fluentlly, and people sometime don't even realize that
> > I'm deaf. However, I have tried using my mom's voice
> > recongization program, and it does squat. Not all deafies have
> > great voices, and some don't speak at all....regardless, voice
> > recognition is not the way to go to satisfy the needs of deaf
> > people.
>
> Heh, must have been a little miscommunication on my part
> there...my suggestion for using voice-recog was not so much that
> the deaf player would speak to the computer, but rather to allow
> for a sort of "dynamic captioning" so that a deaf player (or
> someone without speakers/headphones, or whatever might prevent
> them from hearing conversations) has a chance of following along
> while their teammates chat.  Thus, while your teammates might be
> using voice chat, your local VR system could theoretically pull
> in those voice feeds and dynamically caption them.  Or at least
> give the half-hearted transcription that VR currently provides
> (95-98% recognition sounds impressively high until you try and
> use it) while dragging your processor to its knees.  However, it
> might be better than nothing.
>
> Or, it would be even crazier to allow voice+video chat which
> might theoretically allow signing teammates to sign to each
> other.  Granted, trying to sign in the heat of battle when both
> hands are on the controller might be a bit of a challenge, but it
> at least opens another avenue of communication between teammates.
> This could even be taken a step further and use image processing
> on the local side of things so that the player's avatar does the
> signing.  Granted, the computer would only pick up gross
> movements, rather than the subtle nuances that are involved in
> signing, so this might be a step backwards for accessibility. :-/
>
> -tim
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Wed May 23 15:34:33 2007
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 21:34:33 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
In-Reply-To: <p0623091dc2791754226b@[130.126.29.84]>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83><464F9816.6050308@thechases.com><020801c79ac5$e5d38d30$0302a8c0@OneSwitch><a6673b8d0705201208p772c7b64pbb274f83126c17e0@mail.gmail.com><p06230915c2764f149465@[130.126.29.83]>	<p06230919c2767a61ba8a@[130.126.29.83]><B6F9D479-7F1C-4092-A18E-BFA83E2A70E4@pininteractive.com>
	<p0623091dc2791754226b@[130.126.29.84]>
Message-ID: <E29C223F-3811-4BF1-8736-8E33A1266AFF@pininteractive.com>

I like the tag team idea at the expo

And leaving stuff in the expo would be a real plus

I understand we can't choose the days, asking is all we can do

/Thomas

__________________________________
Thomas Westin
VD / CEO

Pin Interactive AB
:: Digital Culture Analysis :: Tools :: Worlds
__________________________________
Award Winning Developer
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From eelke.folmer at gmail.com  Wed May 23 17:32:32 2007
From: eelke.folmer at gmail.com (Eelke Folmer)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:32:32 -0700
Subject: [games_access] persona
Message-ID: <8432A0B2-A11B-48A4-93D3-B92CDCC5A553@gmail.com>

Hi,

I had an idea that I picked up a while ago while I was at CHI 2006  
last year, I found it last week while going through old notes. At  
Chi2006 there was a talk on microsoft office and one of the  
interaction designers showed how microsoft uses  persona' to help  
design software. E.g. there would be a grandma called betty (making  
these names up) who would use word to write a letter to her son.  
There would be a 12 year old schoolgirl called emma who would use  
word to write a school paper on dinosaurs. There would be a 'dad' who  
would use excel to calculate car payments.  etc etc, there were about  
6 of these personas on big signs with a name, a photo, some of their  
hobbies and some sentences indicating how they would use a particular  
Microsoft application. (i'm not exactly sure what was on there). They  
would hang these persona's as posters in offices in microsoft so the  
developers would be aware for who they were designing for. At some  
point they would not notice the posters any more but these persona's  
were very much embedded in the development of software and were  
always references in discussions. E.g. they would consider adding a  
complicated feature in excel that could help dad more easy but that  
would also make the interface more difficult for tommie, etc etc.

I was wondering whether we could do the same for disabilities? If we  
can actually provide developers 4-6 persona (covering most  
disabilities) I think it would be an helpful tool which can  
facilitate discussion and will also allow more clearly to focus the  
development of a game to include disabilities.

I was thinking of doing it for my collection of patterns already  
because i think its just more personable to develop for "blind  
bettie" and show a picture of a girl that is actually blind than just  
use "visual impairments".

Any ideas/thoughts on this?

cheers Eelke

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From eelke.folmer at gmail.com  Wed May 23 17:33:26 2007
From: eelke.folmer at gmail.com (Eelke Folmer)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:33:26 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
In-Reply-To: <p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@I
	nspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83>
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Hi,

The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great but  
I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience  
for it. What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game  
developers of the importance of making games accessible? or or do we  
target our fellow researchers and discuss & explore new ways of  
making games more accessible and putting accessibility on the roadmap  
of developers?

I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.

cheers Eelke



On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start  
> discussing it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts  
> in creating a one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this  
> could be something attached to another conference (like GDC) or on  
> it's own as a "summit" at a time where we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>
> This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online  
> meetings this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how  
> wide we cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from  
> every major game company we can to attend), do we want it to be  
> small the first year and then cast the net wider the next year?
>
> What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that  
> does conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want  
> and they deal with the registration, hotel block reservations,  
> venue, some advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool  
> opportunity!
>
> Michelle
> _______________________________________________
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> games_access at igda.org
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From reid at rbkdesign.com  Wed May 23 17:59:21 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:59:21 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
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"I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience
for it" I think the first GDC had 7 attendees. We shouldn't put
unrealistic pressure on ourselves with our first conference to bring
in huge numbers or big names. The other questions you ask are right.
If it's a conference, I'd want to see some sessions geared towards the
academic/research crowd talking about ways to improve accessibility
and others geared to developers talking about the practical
implementations that work now.

On 5/23/07, Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great but I'm
> kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience for it.
> What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game developers of
> the importance of making games accessible? or or do we target our fellow
> researchers and discuss & explore new ways of making games more accessible
> and putting accessibility on the roadmap of developers?
>
> I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>
> cheers Eelke
>
>
>
>
> On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start discussing it for
> real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a one-day
> conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something attached to
> another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a "summit" at a time where
> we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>
> This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online meetings this
> week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we cast the net
> (ie, do we personally court a person from every major game company we can to
> attend), do we want it to be small the first year and then cast the net
> wider the next year?
>
> What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that does
> conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want and they deal
> with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, some advertising,
> etc. So that's what make it's a very cool opportunity!
>
> Michelle
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Eelke Folmer                                          Assistant Professor
> Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
> University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
> Game Quality
> usability|accessibility.eelke.com
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From eelke.folmer at gmail.com  Wed May 23 19:12:29 2007
From: eelke.folmer at gmail.com (Eelke Folmer)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:12:29 -0700
Subject: [games_access] E for All
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Hi,

I have the funds to go. I could go but I'll probably be busy with teaching.
By the way, i have all the accessibility equipment (e.g. quad
controller, one handed joysticks & stuff, still need to order some one
button) so we don't have to ship it from the UK.

cheers eelke




On 5/22/07, Reid Kimball <reid at rbkdesign.com> wrote:
> There's a possibility I could attend as it's on the west coast.
> There's another conference I'll probably attend in Oct, will send an
> email about it soon.
>
> -Reid
>
> On 5/22/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> > Yes, couple that with a booth at GDC...for the first time we'll have
> > the chance to really get the word on the street! Or at least the
> > 'net. :)
> >
> > >wow! that will be THE Arcade! Excellent
> > >/Thomas
> > >
> > >
> > >22 maj 2007 kl. 21.04 skrev d. michelle hinn:
> > >
> > >>but free of charge booth. Ac
> > >>
> > >
> > >__________________________________
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> > >VD / CEO
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> > >Pin Interactive AB
> > >:: Digital Culture Analysis :: Tools :: Worlds
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From bsawyer at dmill.com  Wed May 23 19:53:51 2007
From: bsawyer at dmill.com (Ben Sawyer)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:53:51 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
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We would like to support a one day conference as part of Games for  
Health in May 2008 and I think a portion of our audience would  
definitely respond to it.

- Ben

On May 23, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Reid Kimball wrote:

> "I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience
> for it" I think the first GDC had 7 attendees. We shouldn't put
> unrealistic pressure on ourselves with our first conference to bring
> in huge numbers or big names. The other questions you ask are right.
> If it's a conference, I'd want to see some sessions geared towards the
> academic/research crowd talking about ways to improve accessibility
> and others geared to developers talking about the practical
> implementations that work now.
>
> On 5/23/07, Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great  
>> but I'm
>> kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience  
>> for it.
>> What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game  
>> developers of
>> the importance of making games accessible? or or do we target our  
>> fellow
>> researchers and discuss & explore new ways of making games more  
>> accessible
>> and putting accessibility on the roadmap of developers?
>>
>> I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>>
>> cheers Eelke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start  
>> discussing it for
>> real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a one- 
>> day
>> conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something  
>> attached to
>> another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a "summit" at a  
>> time where
>> we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>>
>> This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online  
>> meetings this
>> week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we cast  
>> the net
>> (ie, do we personally court a person from every major game company  
>> we can to
>> attend), do we want it to be small the first year and then cast  
>> the net
>> wider the next year?
>>
>> What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that does
>> conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want and  
>> they deal
>> with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, some  
>> advertising,
>> etc. So that's what make it's a very cool opportunity!
>>
>> Michelle
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> -------
>> Eelke Folmer                                          Assistant  
>> Professor
>> Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>> University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>> Game Quality
>> usability|accessibility.eelke.com
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> -------
>>
>>
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>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed May 23 15:36:57 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:36:57 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Disability Awareness Week at Ohlone College
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Hmm...and since E for All is in October...and they give us the 
booth...this could be a double opportunity. Any idea of when this 
will take place (I mean what week, not month)?

BTW, UIUC has a month long disability awareness event in April (this 
next April being the month that UIUC celebrates it's 60th year of 
their dorm for students with disabilities). So it's great to see that 
more universities are hosting these events.

Yes, please do get me in contact with Victor. Thanks!

Michelle

>Hi all,
>
>I was contacted by a Victor Cardenas of Ohlone College in Fremont,
>California regarding a week long conference they run each year to
>celebrate National Disability Awareness month in October. During their
>Disability Awareness week they are looking for speeches, workshops and
>such. After talking to Victor a bit, I've tentatively agreed to
>present at the conference talking about closed captioning in games. If
>anyone else would like to come down and give a talk, I can get you in
>touch with Victor to work out the details. He's even open to the idea
>of an Accessibility Arcade or anything else we come up with. They have
>a brand new videogame design program so we can be sure to get a lot of
>attention from those students and I'm told they have a large deaf
>population.
>
>-Reid
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed May 23 18:27:47 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:27:47 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
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Yes, I agree that setting the tone by having a stand alone conference 
is the best way to start. Ernest Adams has agreed to be a part of our 
advisory board (and he started the GDC when it was called the CGC) 
and I'm hoping he can join us in discussing how best to do this.

Even if it's just us...and we'd know that ahead of time due to 
registration...it would be nice to have a place for us to meet and 
talk about GA and share our work. GDC is just not the place for that 
-- for the last four years we've all ended up completely sapped and I 
can't imagine us pulling double duty there and living to tell about 
it.

So lots to talk about -- my last message said I was leaning toward 
devs but now I'm thinking that with the DiGRA co-sig...why couldn't 
we attract some of each and make it a co IGDA/DiGRA event?

Michelle

>"I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience
>for it" I think the first GDC had 7 attendees. We shouldn't put
>unrealistic pressure on ourselves with our first conference to bring
>in huge numbers or big names. The other questions you ask are right.
>If it's a conference, I'd want to see some sessions geared towards the
>academic/research crowd talking about ways to improve accessibility
>and others geared to developers talking about the practical
>implementations that work now.
>
>On 5/23/07, Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great but I'm
>>kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience for it.
>>What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game developers of
>>the importance of making games accessible? or or do we target our fellow
>>researchers and discuss & explore new ways of making games more accessible
>>and putting accessibility on the roadmap of developers?
>>
>>I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>>
>>cheers Eelke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start discussing it for
>>real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a one-day
>>conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something attached to
>>another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a "summit" at a time where
>>we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>>
>>This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online meetings this
>>week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we cast the net
>>(ie, do we personally court a person from every major game company we can to
>>attend), do we want it to be small the first year and then cast the net
>>wider the next year?
>>
>>What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that does
>>conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want and they deal
>>with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, some advertising,
>>etc. So that's what make it's a very cool opportunity!
>>
>>Michelle
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Eelke Folmer                                          Assistant Professor
>>Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>>University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>>Game Quality
>>usability|accessibility.eelke.com
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed May 23 17:57:00 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:57:00 -0500
Subject: [games_access] persona
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Hey -- great reminder of a course I took MANY years ago -- a guy 
named John M. Carroll  who used to be at Virginia Tech (I was in his 
course) and is now at Penn State that has been doing work on scenario 
based design that I think also fits in here -- it not just covers the 
persona but also their context. I'm wondering if it was someone from 
Carroll's group that was the presenter at CHI 2006?

This is what we also have in mind for the book so I think that by all 
means we should start working on these. We've used some persona in 
other papers but taking it further would be great!

BUT...and I have to tell this funny story...one thing that was kind 
of funny from the Microsoft end of things was that when I was working 
there -- and keep in mind that the games group was way off the main 
MS campus -- the artists scanned in the posters and put up NEW fliers 
that had "Why is Bill Gates so happy?" And instead of saying that it 
was because he was using Microsoft XP and just made a great deal...it 
was because he was sitting in a bowl full of jello. LOL.

Michelle

>Hi,
>
>I had an idea that I picked up a while ago while I was at CHI 2006 
>last year, I found it last week while going through old notes. At 
>Chi2006 there was a talk on microsoft office and one of the 
>interaction designers showed how microsoft uses  persona' to help 
>design software. E.g. there would be a grandma called betty (making 
>these names up) who would use word to write a letter to her son. 
>There would be a 12 year old schoolgirl called emma who would use 
>word to write a school paper on dinosaurs. There would be a 'dad' 
>who would use excel to calculate car payments.  etc etc, there were 
>about 6 of these personas on big signs with a name, a photo, some of 
>their hobbies and some sentences indicating how they would use a 
>particular Microsoft application. (i'm not exactly sure what was on 
>there). They would hang these persona's as posters in offices in 
>microsoft so the developers would be aware for who they were 
>designing for. At some point they would not notice the posters any 
>more but these persona's were very much embedded in the development 
>of software and were always references in discussions. E.g. they 
>would consider adding a complicated feature in excel that could help 
>dad more easy but that would also make the interface more difficult 
>for tommie, etc etc.
>
>I was wondering whether we could do the same for disabilities? If we 
>can actually provide developers 4-6 persona (covering most 
>disabilities) I think it would be an helpful tool which can 
>facilitate discussion and will also allow more clearly to focus the 
>development of a game to include disabilities.
>
>I was thinking of doing it for my collection of patterns already 
>because i think its just more personable to develop for "blind 
>bettie" and show a picture of a girl that is actually blind than 
>just use "visual impairments".
>
>Any ideas/thoughts on this?
>
>cheers Eelke
>
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>Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed May 23 20:47:57 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:47:57 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
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I think that's a great opportunity to do as well -- I think we'd hit 
two different communities (Games for Health doesn't always cross over 
to the mainstream game dev community and vice versa) and that would 
give us a chance to get the folks doing stuff in health together and 
the folks doing stuff with the mainstream together.

Michelle

>We would like to support a one day conference as part of Games for 
>Health in May 2008 and I think a portion of our audience would 
>definitely respond to it.
>
>- Ben
>
>On May 23, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Reid Kimball wrote:
>
>>"I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience
>>for it" I think the first GDC had 7 attendees. We shouldn't put
>>unrealistic pressure on ourselves with our first conference to bring
>>in huge numbers or big names. The other questions you ask are right.
>>If it's a conference, I'd want to see some sessions geared towards the
>>academic/research crowd talking about ways to improve accessibility
>>and others geared to developers talking about the practical
>>implementations that work now.
>>
>>On 5/23/07, Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great but I'm
>>>kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience for it.
>>>What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game developers of
>>>the importance of making games accessible? or or do we target our fellow
>>>researchers and discuss & explore new ways of making games more accessible
>>>and putting accessibility on the roadmap of developers?
>>>
>>>I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>>>
>>>cheers Eelke
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start discussing it for
>>>real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a one-day
>>>conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something attached to
>>>another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a "summit" at a time where
>>>we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>>>
>>>This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online meetings this
>>>week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we cast the net
>>>(ie, do we personally court a person from every major game company we can to
>>>attend), do we want it to be small the first year and then cast the net
>>>wider the next year?
>>>
>>>What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that does
>>>conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want and they deal
>>>with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, some advertising,
>>>etc. So that's what make it's a very cool opportunity!
>>>
>>>Michelle
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Eelke Folmer                                          Assistant Professor
>>>Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>>>University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>>>Game Quality
>>>usability|accessibility.eelke.com
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed May 23 16:57:36 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:57:36 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
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Well, with the expo we're stuck with the expo days and hours so 
there's not much to be done with that. But the sessions we might have 
a little more room to negotiate...the only problem is that we don't 
know the whole schedule until they post it, which is typically really 
late. So we could give them a list of "we don't want to be up against 
person 1, 2, 3, 4, ..." which could land us back in the land of all 
our sessions being at 8am or 6pm because they are more likely to 
schedule the "stars" during prime hours.

Michelle

>I like the tag team idea at the expo
>
>And leaving stuff in the expo would be a real plus
>
>I understand we can't choose the days, asking is all we can do
>
>/Thomas
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed May 23 16:21:44 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:21:44 -0500
Subject: [games_access] E For All, and other stuff
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I can speak to the GDC passes info -- Mainly anyone can go...but the 
tickets are $$$ (MUCH more so than for E for ALL) as it's aimed at 
deep pocketed developers. That being said the passes that I get are 
usually for others who are planning to present something (we're 
coming up on the SIG deadline for getting our presentations 
together). So email me off list (hinn at uiuc.edu) and we can talk about 
ways that you could participate in a session that, if accepted, could 
get you a pass. Perhaps a SIG-sponsored session on [cc] by you and 
Reid would be particularly powerful?

As for interpreters...the GDC has interpreters already in place to 
interpret sessions INTO Japanese (perhaps not sign language in 
Japanese). The GDC people (CMP) have also always been VERY 
accommodating when I've asked for accessibility-related things 
(ramps, lifts, extra tickets for nurses, etc) so if you were to go, 
don't worry...I'd hound them to death (maybe I should change my title 
here to "chief pesterer?). :) Basically I can see them wanting some 
advance notice as to what sessions you'd be attending so that they 
can best plan for that.

Michelle

>Whoa, I've been reading up on a lot of posts. So I have a few comments.
>This is from Tim "- adding [CC] becomes more difficult because there's not
>  just a pre-scripted set of lines that the audio department
>  records, but you have live voice-chat that doesn't [CC]
>  easily
>
>Theoretically, one could use voice recognition software to
>do dynamic [CC] of voice-chat, but voice recognition
>software still has a long way to go, and sucks up a lot of
>processor time/power from games that may want it."
>
>It's interesting that you said about voice chat and stuff. I don't 
>know about other deafies, but for me, I could care less about having 
>a chat mode. It's very distracting to try to play a game and read 
>what other people are saying. I have never played a MMORPG before, 
>so it may be a little bit different in that method.  Live and voice 
>chats are the reason why I don't play online games such as Halo or 
>whatever.  Besides, how would the program recongize MY voice?? I do 
>speak english fluentlly, and people sometime don't even realize that 
>I'm deaf. However, I have tried using my mom's voice recongization 
>program, and it does squat. Not all deafies have great voices, and 
>some don't speak at all....regardless, voice recognition is not the 
>way to go to satisfy the needs of deaf people.  I don't have 
>XBox360, but I've seen the new controller with the "sidekick" ripoff 
>keyboard on the controller...does anyone have one and does it really 
>work? There's a lot of deaf people that i know that can thumb type 
>unbelievably at a high speed, so they do have a lot of dexiterity 
>(woot!), to do both type chat and play games.
>     However, I do notice that there has been increasing games that 
>are subtitled though. Closed Captioning is different from 
>Subtitling....huge difference. :-) Sometimes I do get a little 
>disappointed with certain games, but over the years of playing games 
>I've come to term to accept them. One of the nicest thing anyone can 
>do is to type out the words for the cutscenes of certain games 
>(Resident Evil 4 comes in mind...one guy typed the entire script 
>because his girlfriend is deaf).  We do have a long way to go, but 
>we're getting there! 
>     Reid - is there any way we can cry "ADA Law!" to these Game 
>Developers??? :-)
>
>
>Secondly - I'm a bit of a noob...so forgive me.  How do one get 
>invited to go to GDC? I would LOVE to go in 2008, but how do I get 
>invited?  I'm thinking about going to E for All, but it may cost me 
>quite a lot of money as I'm coming from New Jersey...hence why I may 
>not be able to attend to E for All AND GDC.  Maybe I should move to 
>California!
>
>      Also, the biggest concern I have is the ability to get 
>interpreters. That's all that really matters to me. Many expos like 
>this won't be willing to pay for interpreters just for one person or 
>two, and they would need to hire at least 4 interpreters to 
>rotate...otherwise THEY will have disabled hands, and that, my 
>friends, costs a lot of money. 
>
>
>Sorry for the long email....:-)
>
>DJ
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed May 23 18:23:15 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:23:15 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
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Yes, I agree -- we should really analyze this and how we can get some 
major developers there or academics there (which would, I presume, 
make location, location, location a big issue).

In our history, though, we haven't really attracted the researchers 
OR the developers. So unless we really focus on which way to go and 
really put everything behind that, we still won't get either 
audience. So, yes, I totally agree -- what is the better way to go? 
I'm leaning toward the dev community simply because I think that they 
can afford the price tag (given that we aren't doing this ourselves 
AND the fact that venues costs money...I'm sure that there will be a 
nice price tag that we won't benefit from but will at least help fray 
the costs of the things we won't be doing).

So the idea of 2008 is even more attractive because then we can 
really focus on advertising and signing people up. So either way 
we'll need a group of "hounds" like myself who will email people, 
call people...we need a PR pro bono firm!

BUT! There's some new news...As of yesterday...we now have a DiGRA 
parallel SIG that I'd like those of us who are researchers to really 
take the lead on. This SIG is a co-IGDA-DiGRA effort and I think that 
this is exciting! More soon on this!

Michelle

>Hi,
>
>The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great but 
>I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience 
>for it. What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game 
>developers of the importance of making games accessible? or or do we 
>target our fellow researchers and discuss & explore new ways of 
>making games more accessible and putting accessibility on the 
>roadmap of developers?
>
>I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>
>cheers Eelke
>
>
>
>On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start 
>>discussing it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts 
>>in creating a one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this 
>>could be something attached to another conference (like GDC) or on 
>>it's own as a "summit" at a time where we aren't so frazzled from 
>>GDC.
>>
>>This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online 
>>meetings this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how 
>>wide we cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from 
>>every major game company we can to attend), do we want it to be 
>>small the first year and then cast the net wider the next year?
>>
>>What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that 
>>does conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want 
>>and they deal with the registration, hotel block reservations, 
>>venue, some advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool 
>>opportunity!
>>
>>Michelle
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed May 23 16:25:39 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:25:39 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
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The main thing to consider (worry about) is that the fewer sessions 
we have (and the expo doesn't count), the fewer passes we get that 
allow us to get into the main part of GDC. So we reallllly have to 
think about the number of sessions we could realistically do (and 
perhaps this means that the SIG sponsors sessions that are meant for, 
say, "research on accessibility" that just a few people take and run 
with). So...I need to be tricky...er...innovative. ;)

Michelle

>I like something along these lines for a GDC session title,
>
>Innovation: True Next Generation Gameplay for Everyone
>
>However, it risks sounding like marketing hype and devs see right
>through that. Anyway, this could be our "wow that's cool shit" type of
>presentation where we talk about the Demor sound based game for the
>blind and Brain Fingers and the Haptic device. We try to make this as
>flashy and cool as possible, even if tech isn't 100% there or games
>widely available. It should be entertaining for people who like to see
>what's around the corner and educational in showing people that there
>are those with disabilities that can't play their current games.
>
>Aside from that, I'd like to try the Expo booth more than a GDC
>session. There's only a few ways I can talk about closed captioning
>and I think I've tried them all.
>
>-Reid
>
>
>
>On 5/21/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>Ok...so now's the time to get the write ups going for the proposed
>>SIG sessions for GDC 2008 (it always takes us a bit to get things
>>finalized and GDC is even earlier in 2008) and I some ideas that I
>>want to run past people.
>>
>>We've talked a lot already about applying accessibility to how it
>>would help people that don't have a disability (like curb cuts that
>>help bicyclists and parents with baby strollers, etc). What if we had
>>a session called "Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able Gamers"
>>with the session planned around taking what we know about
>>accessibility and targeted the solutions for the "abled" in order to
>>help them out by taking them out of the lull of "boring, predictable
>>gaming"? This would be a session for the really "out there" stuff
>>like biofeedback and games like demor. When I presented at last
>>year's Montreal Game Summit, I found that it was the "wow" stuff that
>>got people thinking about the whole issue of accessibility being
>>"cool" -- it was the carrot that got them to listen to the more basic
>>design information. After that, people came up to talk to me about
>>how they never thought about accessibility as NOT limiting game
>>design.
>>
>>I'm not totally sold on the title (I just came up with it now so
>>catchier titles would be greatly appreciated!) but it would give us a
>>way to present accessibility information pertaining to disabled
>>gamers, sell it as something that helps more than just disabled
>>gamers without straying too far from the fact that we are the game
>>accessibility SIG.
>>
>>Another thing to think about is not how gamers is with disabilities
>>are limited but, instead, how maybe the increased skill in another
>>area makes them even MORE competitive and so "able" gamers should
>>know about these -- it's a turn around of telling them what they are
>>doing RIGHT in games by pointing out that they could even the score
>>with regard to accessibility by keeping these things in their games
>>(I know...that last one's trickier because it could lead to a
>>developer thinking that they are unbalanced in their gameplay by
>>making things easier for one user group...even though they already do
>>that when they are INaccessible).
>>
>>I've seen how easy some find it to forget the original audience that
>>a design was aiming for by making changes that end up not serving
>>that original audience. So that's why I remain resistant to totally
>>taking the word "accessibility" out -- I'm afraid of NOT reminding
>>the industry to keep gamers with disabilities in mind because it's so
>>easy for them to come down with selective amnesia. We've tried a LOT
>>of tactics over the years -- from serious to humorous, from
>>roundtables to much more ambitious workshops. So we need to think
>>about what we've learned from the four years we've presented as a SIG
>>at GDC. We won't do "accessibility idol" again but I think we
>>*should* do another competition (and we can again -- we got the
>>tentative "thumbs up" to do an hour-long competition, rather than the
>>two hour overkill). I'll write another email about ideas for a
>>competition that removes us from "idol" but helps us better make
>>accessibility into a challenging creative design process rather than
>>this "forced, non-creative" thing that it's rumored to be (and this
>>year I know to jump on the signage and web advert issue immediately).
>>
>>BUT...as a SIG I think we should stick to a fun competition (with the
>>devs that showed interest last year but couldn't do it but can this
>>year), the expo (with the fall back of another "arcade" thing, only
>>not three days worth), a "wacky session" like "innovation," and some
>>sort of longer session (like a tutorial) where we can have "short
>>burst" info about the things that SIG members have been doing -- ie,
>>Eelke might take 20-30 minutes to discuss his stuff, Dimitris taking
>>the same amount of time to overview his latest, Barrie and his stuff,
>>etc, etc, etc. Then if any one person wants to do a longer
>>presentation on their own stuff, they can do so at their own session,
>>promoting it at the SIG workshop. And if it helps, we can present the
>>more solo-acts as SIG-sponsored sessions to make sure it gets on the
>>schedule better -- I know Reid and others have had a really hard time
>>getting onto the schedule as solo acts. But in the end the longer
>>presentations would be the onus of the person who is presenting their
>>work and not something that the entire SIG needs to be there to set
>>up for, etc (that doesn't mean that we all wouldn't try to be there
>>for them!!).
>>
>>We learned in March that 78.4 SIG sessions (ok, 8) isn't the way to
>>go but I also think going back to the single roundtable isn't the
>>answer either. So now we have to find our happy medium that allows us
>>to all ATTEND other sessions and help increase the buzz about all of
>>our sessions, our existance, etc but also maximize our limited
>>(simply by the fact that there are just a few of us that can make it
>>to any one GDC) efforts in the sessions that we do. And we have to
>>find our happy medium so it's not just a couple of us pulling
>>all-nighters the weeks before! So instead of me being in charge of
>>every session for the organization, we can share the wealth a bit by
>>having some on the committee for the competition, others on the
>>tutorial/workshop committee, and so forth. I realize that we aren't a
>>big lot but even NON attendees can help serve on committees to help
>>share ideas!
>>
>>Ok that's the end of this email that had started out short and sweet.
>>:) Sorry -- just feeling the GDC pressure and I realllly want to get
>>as many people involved as possible so we can present a more united
>>effort and help best support one another!!
>>
>>Thoughts? Reactions? And, yes, I'm now very removed from the emotions
>>of GDC 2007. :) But please be thoughtful in your suggestions --
>>underneath that black leather jacket I keep wearing to GDCs (for good
>>luck?), I can get rather down sometimes (yay! depression!) and I'd
>>hate for us to have a flame war. I promise I will count to 10 before
>>hitting the "send" button if I find myself taking things too
>>personally. Ok, deal? :)
>>
>>Michelle
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From bsawyer at dmill.com  Thu May 24 07:42:33 2007
From: bsawyer at dmill.com (Ben Sawyer)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:42:33 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
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I think that's true but we can also use a standalone event with our  
branding and IGDA/DIGRA to attract more mainstream developers as  
well.  We also can spend a lot more time promoting it as well.

- Ben

On May 23, 2007, at 8:47 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:

> I think that's a great opportunity to do as well -- I think we'd  
> hit two different communities (Games for Health doesn't always  
> cross over to the mainstream game dev community and vice versa) and  
> that would give us a chance to get the folks doing stuff in health  
> together and the folks doing stuff with the mainstream together.
>
> Michelle
>
>> We would like to support a one day conference as part of Games for  
>> Health in May 2008 and I think a portion of our audience would  
>> definitely respond to it.
>>
>> - Ben
>>
>> On May 23, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Reid Kimball wrote:
>>
>>> "I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an  
>>> audience
>>> for it" I think the first GDC had 7 attendees. We shouldn't put
>>> unrealistic pressure on ourselves with our first conference to bring
>>> in huge numbers or big names. The other questions you ask are right.
>>> If it's a conference, I'd want to see some sessions geared  
>>> towards the
>>> academic/research crowd talking about ways to improve accessibility
>>> and others geared to developers talking about the practical
>>> implementations that work now.
>>>
>>> On 5/23/07, Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great  
>>>> but I'm
>>>> kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience  
>>>> for it.
>>>> What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game  
>>>> developers of
>>>> the importance of making games accessible? or or do we target  
>>>> our fellow
>>>> researchers and discuss & explore new ways of making games more  
>>>> accessible
>>>> and putting accessibility on the roadmap of developers?
>>>>
>>>> I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>>>>
>>>> cheers Eelke
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start  
>>>> discussing it for
>>>> real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a  
>>>> one-day
>>>> conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something  
>>>> attached to
>>>> another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a "summit" at a  
>>>> time where
>>>> we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>>>>
>>>> This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online  
>>>> meetings this
>>>> week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we  
>>>> cast the net
>>>> (ie, do we personally court a person from every major game  
>>>> company we can to
>>>> attend), do we want it to be small the first year and then cast  
>>>> the net
>>>> wider the next year?
>>>>
>>>> What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that  
>>>> does
>>>> conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want  
>>>> and they deal
>>>> with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, some  
>>>> advertising,
>>>> etc. So that's what make it's a very cool opportunity!
>>>>
>>>> Michelle
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>> ---------
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>>>> Professor
>>>> Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>>>> University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>>>> Game Quality
>>>> usability|accessibility.eelke.com
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu May 24 10:22:08 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:22:08 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
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Hey, we can always use more and bigger opportunities! And, yes, 
perhaps a combined effort the first time out might ease everyone's 
minds a bit. The IGDA can then help us support that combined 
conference to the mainstream.

Where's Games for Health 2008 located?

Michelle

>I think that's true but we can also use a standalone event with our 
>branding and IGDA/DIGRA to attract more mainstream developers as 
>well.  We also can spend a lot more time promoting it as well.
>
>- Ben
>
>On May 23, 2007, at 8:47 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>
>>I think that's a great opportunity to do as well -- I think we'd 
>>hit two different communities (Games for Health doesn't always 
>>cross over to the mainstream game dev community and vice versa) and 
>>that would give us a chance to get the folks doing stuff in health 
>>together and the folks doing stuff with the mainstream together.
>>
>>Michelle
>>
>>>We would like to support a one day conference as part of Games for 
>>>Health in May 2008 and I think a portion of our audience would 
>>>definitely respond to it.
>>>
>>>- Ben
>>>
>>>On May 23, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Reid Kimball wrote:
>>>
>>>>"I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience
>>>>for it" I think the first GDC had 7 attendees. We shouldn't put
>>>>unrealistic pressure on ourselves with our first conference to bring
>>>>in huge numbers or big names. The other questions you ask are right.
>>>>If it's a conference, I'd want to see some sessions geared towards the
>>>>academic/research crowd talking about ways to improve accessibility
>>>>and others geared to developers talking about the practical
>>>>implementations that work now.
>>>>
>>>>On 5/23/07, Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great but I'm
>>>>>kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience for it.
>>>>>What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game developers of
>>>>>the importance of making games accessible? or or do we target our fellow
>>>>>researchers and discuss & explore new ways of making games more accessible
>>>>>and putting accessibility on the roadmap of developers?
>>>>>
>>>>>I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>>>>>
>>>>>cheers Eelke
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start 
>>>>>discussing it for
>>>>>real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a one-day
>>>>>conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something attached to
>>>>>another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a "summit" at a time where
>>>>>we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online meetings this
>>>>>week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we cast the net
>>>>>(ie, do we personally court a person from every major game 
>>>>>company we can to
>>>>>attend), do we want it to be small the first year and then cast the net
>>>>>wider the next year?
>>>>>
>>>>>What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that does
>>>>>conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want 
>>>>>and they deal
>>>>>with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, some advertising,
>>>>>etc. So that's what make it's a very cool opportunity!
>>>>>
>>>>>Michelle
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>
>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>Eelke Folmer                                          Assistant Professor
>>>>>Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>>>>>University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>>>>>Game Quality
>>>>>usability|accessibility.eelke.com
>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From bsawyer at dmill.com  Thu May 24 11:01:39 2007
From: bsawyer at dmill.com (Ben Sawyer)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:01:39 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
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Baltimore for at least 2008 then we may move around a bit - it's yet  
to be determined.

We will not be in the medical school we're going to the convention  
center for the main part but we are also looking at using some of the  
facilities at the medical school for pre-conference items like a day  
on accessibility and a day on research processes/agenda development.

I think a combined effort with our group, IGDA, and others co-located  
so we can absorb costs, etc. would be best.

What we envisioned was a day long event prior to our core-two days on  
health.  Then as part of our core-Games for Health event we would  
also do at least one session on accessibility for all attendees and  
also have an accessibility section in our demo area including posters  
and accessible demos.

What I'd like to do for a day long event is 1-2 tracks divided  
between research oriented work, commercial/independent case studies,  
and developer sessions (i.e. how-to).

My goal would be 100 attendees minimum.

What I was thinking was that we'd price it aggressively with a  
portion of the funds from each ticket earmarked to the IGDA to  
support funds for the SIG that would cover things like travel, GDC  
tickets, etc.  All we'd want from the SIG is that you'd design the  
program with input from us and that you'd help promote it, and that  
the SIG members would introduce speakers, keep time, etc.  We would  
handle all the logistics and general promotion.  We also need to work  
more aggressively within the entire event (this and Games for Health)  
to improve our own accessibility issues so we'd need some help with  
that as well.

- Ben


On May 24, 2007, at 10:22 AM, d. michelle hinn wrote:

> Hey, we can always use more and bigger opportunities! And, yes,  
> perhaps a combined effort the first time out might ease everyone's  
> minds a bit. The IGDA can then help us support that combined  
> conference to the mainstream.
>
> Where's Games for Health 2008 located?
>
> Michelle
>
>> I think that's true but we can also use a standalone event with  
>> our branding and IGDA/DIGRA to attract more mainstream developers  
>> as well.  We also can spend a lot more time promoting it as well.
>>
>> - Ben
>>
>> On May 23, 2007, at 8:47 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>
>>> I think that's a great opportunity to do as well -- I think we'd  
>>> hit two different communities (Games for Health doesn't always  
>>> cross over to the mainstream game dev community and vice versa)  
>>> and that would give us a chance to get the folks doing stuff in  
>>> health together and the folks doing stuff with the mainstream  
>>> together.
>>>
>>> Michelle
>>>
>>>> We would like to support a one day conference as part of Games  
>>>> for Health in May 2008 and I think a portion of our audience  
>>>> would definitely respond to it.
>>>>
>>>> - Ben
>>>>
>>>> On May 23, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Reid Kimball wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an  
>>>>> audience
>>>>> for it" I think the first GDC had 7 attendees. We shouldn't put
>>>>> unrealistic pressure on ourselves with our first conference to  
>>>>> bring
>>>>> in huge numbers or big names. The other questions you ask are  
>>>>> right.
>>>>> If it's a conference, I'd want to see some sessions geared  
>>>>> towards the
>>>>> academic/research crowd talking about ways to improve  
>>>>> accessibility
>>>>> and others geared to developers talking about the practical
>>>>> implementations that work now.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/23/07, Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is  
>>>>>> great but I'm
>>>>>> kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an  
>>>>>> audience for it.
>>>>>> What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game  
>>>>>> developers of
>>>>>> the importance of making games accessible? or or do we target  
>>>>>> our fellow
>>>>>> researchers and discuss & explore new ways of making games  
>>>>>> more accessible
>>>>>> and putting accessibility on the roadmap of developers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers Eelke
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start  
>>>>>> discussing it for
>>>>>> real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a  
>>>>>> one-day
>>>>>> conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something  
>>>>>> attached to
>>>>>> another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a "summit" at  
>>>>>> a time where
>>>>>> we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online  
>>>>>> meetings this
>>>>>> week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we  
>>>>>> cast the net
>>>>>> (ie, do we personally court a person from every major game  
>>>>>> company we can to
>>>>>> attend), do we want it to be small the first year and then  
>>>>>> cast the net
>>>>>> wider the next year?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group  
>>>>>> that does
>>>>>> conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want  
>>>>>> and they deal
>>>>>> with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, some  
>>>>>> advertising,
>>>>>> etc. So that's what make it's a very cool opportunity!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michelle
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>> Eelke Folmer                                           
>>>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>>>> Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>>>>>> University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>>>>>> Game Quality
>>>>>> usability|accessibility.eelke.com
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From cataclysmicknight at gmail.com  Thu May 24 11:38:16 2007
From: cataclysmicknight at gmail.com (Charles Jackson)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:38:16 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Messenger Meetings
Message-ID: <e6c81eb70705240838g3023d606p463537ab6532059b@mail.gmail.com>

Hello :)

After a very hectic week, I found myself unable to crawl out of bed at
9 in the morning, and did not want to interrupt the meeting a full
half hour late. I was hoping, perhaps, that transcripts could be
emailed, or maybe posted to the entire mailing group?

-- 
Crush the Critters: a Whack-a-Mole adventure for your feet! Request
the first beta, coming soon.

On the Great Games Experiment:
http://www.greatgamesexperiment.com/game/crushthecritters/

The Developer Blog: http://hedonismgames.blogspot.com


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu May 24 12:14:00 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:14:00 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Messenger Meetings
In-Reply-To: <e6c81eb70705240838g3023d606p463537ab6532059b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e6c81eb70705240838g3023d606p463537ab6532059b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0623093ac27b69d49259@[130.126.29.84]>

Hi there -- yes, we will be posting a summary of the meetings here 
and on our web site. I'm working on the summary now! The full 
transcripts are just too boring and out of context to read after the 
fact we've found so the summaries work best. :)

Michelle

>Hello :)
>
>After a very hectic week, I found myself unable to crawl out of bed at
>9 in the morning, and did not want to interrupt the meeting a full
>half hour late. I was hoping, perhaps, that transcripts could be
>emailed, or maybe posted to the entire mailing group?
>
>--
>Crush the Critters: a Whack-a-Mole adventure for your feet! Request
>the first beta, coming soon.
>
>On the Great Games Experiment:
>http://www.greatgamesexperiment.com/game/crushthecritters/
>
>The Developer Blog: http://hedonismgames.blogspot.com
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Thu May 24 12:31:51 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:31:51 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIyEfScA
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That is exciting Ben.  Thank you for involving us and letting us know.  Does
this mean there will not be one for 2007?  Or did you already have it?

I'd be happy to participate again that was a lot of fun and a great
experience.  Of course helping to organize a great event as well with my
friends here.  Finally a big event near me.  :-)

I can then just wanted to let you know things that I did last time and could
have prepared a much better speech even though I got a really strong
reaction from telling my story and telling a lot about accessibility,
getting out of the hospital that day and giving the speech was a good and
exhausting thing.  Thank you for that experience it was great for me.  This
time it will be better.

If you find it suitable a place or location I could or you can use a viewing
of my documentary that would be really good to get the word not.  Once I get
it completed I need places to view it that would be good for that also.
There is a trailer on my homepage.

I'm pushing this trailer and documentary a lot because it's got huge
potential to carry our goals in a very emotional and connected to a very
specific situation involving all of us in a story format intriguing.  If
anything is going to get developers and interested people in this topic and
support it can be that.

Thank you again and I look forward to talking more about this event.  
Robert
www.RobertFlorio.com   

-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Ben Sawyer
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:02 AM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference

Baltimore for at least 2008 then we may move around a bit - it's yet  
to be determined.

We will not be in the medical school we're going to the convention  
center for the main part but we are also looking at using some of the  
facilities at the medical school for pre-conference items like a day  
on accessibility and a day on research processes/agenda development.

I think a combined effort with our group, IGDA, and others co-located  
so we can absorb costs, etc. would be best.

What we envisioned was a day long event prior to our core-two days on  
health.  Then as part of our core-Games for Health event we would  
also do at least one session on accessibility for all attendees and  
also have an accessibility section in our demo area including posters  
and accessible demos.

What I'd like to do for a day long event is 1-2 tracks divided  
between research oriented work, commercial/independent case studies,  
and developer sessions (i.e. how-to).

My goal would be 100 attendees minimum.

What I was thinking was that we'd price it aggressively with a  
portion of the funds from each ticket earmarked to the IGDA to  
support funds for the SIG that would cover things like travel, GDC  
tickets, etc.  All we'd want from the SIG is that you'd design the  
program with input from us and that you'd help promote it, and that  
the SIG members would introduce speakers, keep time, etc.  We would  
handle all the logistics and general promotion.  We also need to work  
more aggressively within the entire event (this and Games for Health)  
to improve our own accessibility issues so we'd need some help with  
that as well.

- Ben


On May 24, 2007, at 10:22 AM, d. michelle hinn wrote:

> Hey, we can always use more and bigger opportunities! And, yes,  
> perhaps a combined effort the first time out might ease everyone's  
> minds a bit. The IGDA can then help us support that combined  
> conference to the mainstream.
>
> Where's Games for Health 2008 located?
>
> Michelle
>
>> I think that's true but we can also use a standalone event with  
>> our branding and IGDA/DIGRA to attract more mainstream developers  
>> as well.  We also can spend a lot more time promoting it as well.
>>
>> - Ben
>>
>> On May 23, 2007, at 8:47 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>
>>> I think that's a great opportunity to do as well -- I think we'd  
>>> hit two different communities (Games for Health doesn't always  
>>> cross over to the mainstream game dev community and vice versa)  
>>> and that would give us a chance to get the folks doing stuff in  
>>> health together and the folks doing stuff with the mainstream  
>>> together.
>>>
>>> Michelle
>>>
>>>> We would like to support a one day conference as part of Games  
>>>> for Health in May 2008 and I think a portion of our audience  
>>>> would definitely respond to it.
>>>>
>>>> - Ben
>>>>
>>>> On May 23, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Reid Kimball wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an  
>>>>> audience
>>>>> for it" I think the first GDC had 7 attendees. We shouldn't put
>>>>> unrealistic pressure on ourselves with our first conference to  
>>>>> bring
>>>>> in huge numbers or big names. The other questions you ask are  
>>>>> right.
>>>>> If it's a conference, I'd want to see some sessions geared  
>>>>> towards the
>>>>> academic/research crowd talking about ways to improve  
>>>>> accessibility
>>>>> and others geared to developers talking about the practical
>>>>> implementations that work now.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/23/07, Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is  
>>>>>> great but I'm
>>>>>> kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an  
>>>>>> audience for it.
>>>>>> What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game  
>>>>>> developers of
>>>>>> the importance of making games accessible? or or do we target  
>>>>>> our fellow
>>>>>> researchers and discuss & explore new ways of making games  
>>>>>> more accessible
>>>>>> and putting accessibility on the roadmap of developers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers Eelke
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start  
>>>>>> discussing it for
>>>>>> real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a  
>>>>>> one-day
>>>>>> conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something  
>>>>>> attached to
>>>>>> another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a "summit" at  
>>>>>> a time where
>>>>>> we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online  
>>>>>> meetings this
>>>>>> week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we  
>>>>>> cast the net
>>>>>> (ie, do we personally court a person from every major game  
>>>>>> company we can to
>>>>>> attend), do we want it to be small the first year and then  
>>>>>> cast the net
>>>>>> wider the next year?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group  
>>>>>> that does
>>>>>> conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want  
>>>>>> and they deal
>>>>>> with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, some  
>>>>>> advertising,
>>>>>> etc. So that's what make it's a very cool opportunity!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michelle
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>> Eelke Folmer                                           
>>>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>>>> Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>>>>>> University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>>>>>> Game Quality
>>>>>> usability|accessibility.eelke.com
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Thu May 24 12:32:43 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:32:43 -0400
Subject: [games_access] MSN meeting today Thursday?
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIyEfScA
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Are we having a meeting today one o'clock Eastern time Thursday, May 24?
Thanks.  Please send me an invite.

Robert
www.RobertFlorio.com  



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu May 24 12:55:08 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:55:08 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
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Ah Baltimore in May is a nice time! I grew up in Washington DC so I 
know Baltimore fairly well.

One thing I was thinking of is that we might think about having small 
"exec board" conferences for the SIG so that we can have a working 
meeting on GA things that wouldn't require amazing amounts of funding 
or organization. Things on this agenda would be writing drafts of 
papers, thinking about getting more PR, etc. Most organizations 
eventually move to a "summit" style meeting of the core members to 
get things done (The IGDA exec does this every year for example). So 
we could meet in London, Crete, LA -- wherever for this working 
summit.

Then our main focus on a conference that would get people not already 
entrenched in the SIG would be on the much larger Games for 
Health/IGDA/DiGRA super workshop. So this sounds great! Let's make it 
happen!

I can't believe how many cool things are happening right now! You 
were wise to remind us that we were bumping against success -- we 
really, really are!

Michelle

>Baltimore for at least 2008 then we may move around a bit - it's yet 
>to be determined.
>
>We will not be in the medical school we're going to the convention 
>center for the main part but we are also looking at using some of 
>the facilities at the medical school for pre-conference items like a 
>day on accessibility and a day on research processes/agenda 
>development.
>
>I think a combined effort with our group, IGDA, and others 
>co-located so we can absorb costs, etc. would be best.
>
>What we envisioned was a day long event prior to our core-two days 
>on health.  Then as part of our core-Games for Health event we would 
>also do at least one session on accessibility for all attendees and 
>also have an accessibility section in our demo area including 
>posters and accessible demos.
>
>What I'd like to do for a day long event is 1-2 tracks divided 
>between research oriented work, commercial/independent case studies, 
>and developer sessions (i.e. how-to).
>
>My goal would be 100 attendees minimum.
>
>What I was thinking was that we'd price it aggressively with a 
>portion of the funds from each ticket earmarked to the IGDA to 
>support funds for the SIG that would cover things like travel, GDC 
>tickets, etc.  All we'd want from the SIG is that you'd design the 
>program with input from us and that you'd help promote it, and that 
>the SIG members would introduce speakers, keep time, etc.  We would 
>handle all the logistics and general promotion.  We also need to 
>work more aggressively within the entire event (this and Games for 
>Health) to improve our own accessibility issues so we'd need some 
>help with that as well.
>
>- Ben
>
>
>On May 24, 2007, at 10:22 AM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>
>>Hey, we can always use more and bigger opportunities! And, yes, 
>>perhaps a combined effort the first time out might ease everyone's 
>>minds a bit. The IGDA can then help us support that combined 
>>conference to the mainstream.
>>
>>Where's Games for Health 2008 located?
>>
>>Michelle
>>
>>>I think that's true but we can also use a standalone event with 
>>>our branding and IGDA/DIGRA to attract more mainstream developers 
>>>as well.  We also can spend a lot more time promoting it as well.
>>>
>>>- Ben
>>>
>>>On May 23, 2007, at 8:47 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>>
>>>>I think that's a great opportunity to do as well -- I think we'd 
>>>>hit two different communities (Games for Health doesn't always 
>>>>cross over to the mainstream game dev community and vice versa) 
>>>>and that would give us a chance to get the folks doing stuff in 
>>>>health together and the folks doing stuff with the mainstream 
>>>>together.
>>>>
>>>>Michelle
>>>>
>>>>>We would like to support a one day conference as part of Games 
>>>>>for Health in May 2008 and I think a portion of our audience 
>>>>>would definitely respond to it.
>>>>>
>>>>>- Ben
>>>>>
>>>>>On May 23, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Reid Kimball wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience
>>>>>>for it" I think the first GDC had 7 attendees. We shouldn't put
>>>>>>unrealistic pressure on ourselves with our first conference to bring
>>>>>>in huge numbers or big names. The other questions you ask are right.
>>>>>>If it's a conference, I'd want to see some sessions geared towards the
>>>>>>academic/research crowd talking about ways to improve accessibility
>>>>>>and others geared to developers talking about the practical
>>>>>>implementations that work now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 5/23/07, Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great but I'm
>>>>>>>kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience for it.
>>>>>>>What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game 
>>>>>>>developers of
>>>>>>>the importance of making games accessible? or or do we target our fellow
>>>>>>>researchers and discuss & explore new ways of making games 
>>>>>>>more accessible
>>>>>>>and putting accessibility on the roadmap of developers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>cheers Eelke
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start 
>>>>>>>discussing it for
>>>>>>>real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a one-day
>>>>>>>conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something 
>>>>>>>attached to
>>>>>>>another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a "summit" at 
>>>>>>>a time where
>>>>>>>we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online 
>>>>>>>meetings this
>>>>>>>week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we 
>>>>>>>cast the net
>>>>>>>(ie, do we personally court a person from every major game 
>>>>>>>company we can to
>>>>>>>attend), do we want it to be small the first year and then cast the net
>>>>>>>wider the next year?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that does
>>>>>>>conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want 
>>>>>>>and they deal
>>>>>>>with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, some 
>>>>>>>advertising,
>>>>>>>etc. So that's what make it's a very cool opportunity!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Michelle
>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>games_access mailing list
>>>>>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>>>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>Assistant Professor
>>>>>>>Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>>>>>>>University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>>>>>>>Game Quality
>>>>>>>usability|accessibility.eelke.com
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu May 24 13:16:03 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:16:03 -0500
Subject: [games_access] SIG Committees -- advise needed
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So a while back I created a whole bunch of new lists so that this 
list could turn into a list for announcements about conferences, 
updates, sig meeting summaries, etc)

I think that moving this list that already out there and already used 
for debate, suggestions, conversations would be a mistake.

However, I have the idea and some new lists that I think would work well:

(1) GA Chat -- this would be for things that are funny, conversations 
that end up slightly about accessibility but end up being chatter (so 
someone could request that topic be moved to "Chat" if the 
discussions on the main list end up wayyyyyy off course)

(2) GA Announce -- This would be a moderated list (the only one) that 
was simply for press releases and product reviews and such. If 
discussion is desired, re-forwarding the announcements to our current 
list would be best

(3) GA Publications -- This would be for the discussion of new 
whitepapers, collaborations on papers by SIG members, "the book," etc

(4) GA Edit -- this one is for just Thomas, Richard and I for now 
since it's just about contracts and dealing with the publisher (who 
will also be on the list)

(5) GA Research -- This would be for those of us in academia who are 
interested in cross-institutional collaboration on grants and to 
discuss research papers that have come out that concern us

(6) GA PR -- This would be the group that helps write/pester groups 
to assimilate, ;) It would also concern things like posters, fliers, 
getting media coverage, t-shirts, etc)

So what does everyone think? Too many? Too few? Too vague? That would 
make seven lists in all. If in doubt, one could always just email 
this list and discussion can be moved to one of the other lists.

So your help is needed! That....and I'm looking for a good bunch of 
people to help monitor these lists as committee chairs or co-chairs. 
:)

Michelle


From lynnvm at carolina.rr.com  Thu May 24 19:04:29 2007
From: lynnvm at carolina.rr.com (Lynn Marentette)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:04:29 -0400
Subject: [games_access] games_access Digest, Vol 35, Issue 37
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Eelke - and games access members - 

I been lurking most of the time on this list, because I've been so busy with
work and school.

I took a graduate-level Human-Computer Interaction class last semester and
spent some  time developing "personas" for part of a project. 

I would be happy to work on some personas that would benefit the cause.  

I'm not sure if you remember me, but I'm a school psychologist who works
with students who have a range of abilities and disabilities. (I chose the
topic of Universal Usability for my class presentation.)

Lynn Marentette

TechPsych 
Interactive Multimedia Technology

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:32:32 -0700
From: Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com>
Subject: [games_access] persona
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>
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Hi,

I had an idea that I picked up a while ago while I was at CHI 2006 last
year, I found it last week while going through old notes. At
Chi2006 there was a talk on microsoft office and one of the interaction
designers showed how microsoft uses  persona' to help design software. E.g.
there would be a grandma called betty (making these names up) who would use
word to write a letter to her son.  
There would be a 12 year old schoolgirl called emma who would use word to
write a school paper on dinosaurs. There would be a 'dad' who would use
excel to calculate car payments.  etc etc, there were about
6 of these personas on big signs with a name, a photo, some of their hobbies
and some sentences indicating how they would use a particular Microsoft
application. (i'm not exactly sure what was on there). They would hang these
persona's as posters in offices in microsoft so the developers would be
aware for who they were designing for. At some point they would not notice
the posters any more but these persona's were very much embedded in the
development of software and were always references in discussions. E.g. they
would consider adding a complicated feature in excel that could help dad
more easy but that would also make the interface more difficult for tommie,
etc etc.

I was wondering whether we could do the same for disabilities? If we can
actually provide developers 4-6 persona (covering most
disabilities) I think it would be an helpful tool which can facilitate
discussion and will also allow more clearly to focus the development of a
game to include disabilities.

I was thinking of doing it for my collection of patterns already because i
think its just more personable to develop for "blind bettie" and show a
picture of a girl that is actually blind than just use "visual impairments".

Any ideas/thoughts on this?

cheers Eelke

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Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:33:26 -0700
From: Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>
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Hi,

The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great but I'm
kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience for it.
What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game developers of
the importance of making games accessible? or or do we target our fellow
researchers and discuss & explore new ways of making games more accessible
and putting accessibility on the roadmap of developers?

I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.

cheers Eelke



On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start discussing 
> it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a 
> one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something 
> attached to another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a "summit" 
> at a time where we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>
> This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online meetings 
> this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we 
> cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from every major 
> game company we can to attend), do we want it to be small the first 
> year and then cast the net wider the next year?
>
> What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that does 
> conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want and they 
> deal with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, some 
> advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool opportunity!
>
> Michelle
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

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Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:59:21 -0700
From: "Reid Kimball" <reid at rbkdesign.com>
Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
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"I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience for
it" I think the first GDC had 7 attendees. We shouldn't put unrealistic
pressure on ourselves with our first conference to bring in huge numbers or
big names. The other questions you ask are right.
If it's a conference, I'd want to see some sessions geared towards the
academic/research crowd talking about ways to improve accessibility and
others geared to developers talking about the practical implementations that
work now.

On 5/23/07, Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great but 
> I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience for
it.
> What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game developers 
> of the importance of making games accessible? or or do we target our 
> fellow researchers and discuss & explore new ways of making games more 
> accessible and putting accessibility on the roadmap of developers?
>
> I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>
> cheers Eelke
>
>
>
>
> On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start discussing 
> it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a 
> one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something 
> attached to another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a "summit" 
> at a time where we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>
> This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online meetings 
> this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we 
> cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from every major 
> game company we can to attend), do we want it to be small the first 
> year and then cast the net wider the next year?
>
> What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that does 
> conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want and they 
> deal with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, some 
> advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool opportunity!
>
> Michelle
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
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> Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
> University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
> Game Quality
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:12:29 -0700
From: "Eelke Folmer" <eelke.folmer at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [games_access] E for All
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
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Hi,

I have the funds to go. I could go but I'll probably be busy with teaching.
By the way, i have all the accessibility equipment (e.g. quad controller,
one handed joysticks & stuff, still need to order some one
button) so we don't have to ship it from the UK.

cheers eelke




On 5/22/07, Reid Kimball <reid at rbkdesign.com> wrote:
> There's a possibility I could attend as it's on the west coast.
> There's another conference I'll probably attend in Oct, will send an 
> email about it soon.
>
> -Reid
>
> On 5/22/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> > Yes, couple that with a booth at GDC...for the first time we'll have 
> > the chance to really get the word on the street! Or at least the 
> > 'net. :)
> >
> > >wow! that will be THE Arcade! Excellent /Thomas
> > >
> > >
> > >22 maj 2007 kl. 21.04 skrev d. michelle hinn:
> > >
> > >>but free of charge booth. Ac
> > >>
> > >
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From eelke.folmer at gmail.com  Thu May 24 22:01:46 2007
From: eelke.folmer at gmail.com (Eelke Folmer)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:01:46 -0700
Subject: [games_access] games_access Digest, Vol 35, Issue 37
In-Reply-To: <001e01c79e57$e24a4510$6401a8c0@HOME>
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	<001e01c79e57$e24a4510$6401a8c0@HOME>
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Hi Lynn,

That would be great! Even if it was only to give disabilities a more
human face. What I'm saying is that game developers probably
sympathize more with seeing an actual person with a disability than
with something abstract like: " cognitive limitation"

Should we use images of real people (don't want to violate someone's
privacy or image rights) or shall we use cartoonlike images?

Cheers Eelke




On 5/24/07, Lynn Marentette <lynnvm at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> Eelke - and games access members -
>
> I been lurking most of the time on this list, because I've been so busy with
> work and school.
>
> I took a graduate-level Human-Computer Interaction class last semester and
> spent some  time developing "personas" for part of a project.
>
> I would be happy to work on some personas that would benefit the cause.
>
> I'm not sure if you remember me, but I'm a school psychologist who works
> with students who have a range of abilities and disabilities. (I chose the
> topic of Universal Usability for my class presentation.)
>
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> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:32:32 -0700
> From: Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com>
> Subject: [games_access] persona
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> Hi,
>
> I had an idea that I picked up a while ago while I was at CHI 2006 last
> year, I found it last week while going through old notes. At
> Chi2006 there was a talk on microsoft office and one of the interaction
> designers showed how microsoft uses  persona' to help design software. E.g.
> there would be a grandma called betty (making these names up) who would use
> word to write a letter to her son.
> There would be a 12 year old schoolgirl called emma who would use word to
> write a school paper on dinosaurs. There would be a 'dad' who would use
> excel to calculate car payments.  etc etc, there were about
> 6 of these personas on big signs with a name, a photo, some of their hobbies
> and some sentences indicating how they would use a particular Microsoft
> application. (i'm not exactly sure what was on there). They would hang these
> persona's as posters in offices in microsoft so the developers would be
> aware for who they were designing for. At some point they would not notice
> the posters any more but these persona's were very much embedded in the
> development of software and were always references in discussions. E.g. they
> would consider adding a complicated feature in excel that could help dad
> more easy but that would also make the interface more difficult for tommie,
> etc etc.
>
> I was wondering whether we could do the same for disabilities? If we can
> actually provide developers 4-6 persona (covering most
> disabilities) I think it would be an helpful tool which can facilitate
> discussion and will also allow more clearly to focus the development of a
> game to include disabilities.
>
> I was thinking of doing it for my collection of patterns already because i
> think its just more personable to develop for "blind bettie" and show a
> picture of a girl that is actually blind than just use "visual impairments".
>
> Any ideas/thoughts on this?
>
> cheers Eelke
>
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> Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
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> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:33:26 -0700
> From: Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>
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> Hi,
>
> The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great but I'm
> kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience for it.
> What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game developers of
> the importance of making games accessible? or or do we target our fellow
> researchers and discuss & explore new ways of making games more accessible
> and putting accessibility on the roadmap of developers?
>
> I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>
> cheers Eelke
>
>
>
> On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start discussing
> > it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a
> > one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something
> > attached to another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a "summit"
> > at a time where we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
> >
> > This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online meetings
> > this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we
> > cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from every major
> > game company we can to attend), do we want it to be small the first
> > year and then cast the net wider the next year?
> >
> > What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that does
> > conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want and they
> > deal with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, some
> > advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool opportunity!
> >
> > Michelle
> > _______________________________________________
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> > games_access at igda.org
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> From: "Reid Kimball" <reid at rbkdesign.com>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
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> "I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience for
> it" I think the first GDC had 7 attendees. We shouldn't put unrealistic
> pressure on ourselves with our first conference to bring in huge numbers or
> big names. The other questions you ask are right.
> If it's a conference, I'd want to see some sessions geared towards the
> academic/research crowd talking about ways to improve accessibility and
> others geared to developers talking about the practical implementations that
> work now.
>
> On 5/23/07, Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great but
> > I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience for
> it.
> > What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game developers
> > of the importance of making games accessible? or or do we target our
> > fellow researchers and discuss & explore new ways of making games more
> > accessible and putting accessibility on the roadmap of developers?
> >
> > I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
> >
> > cheers Eelke
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start discussing
> > it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a
> > one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something
> > attached to another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a "summit"
> > at a time where we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
> >
> > This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online meetings
> > this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we
> > cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from every major
> > game company we can to attend), do we want it to be small the first
> > year and then cast the net wider the next year?
> >
> > What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that does
> > conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want and they
> > deal with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, some
> > advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool opportunity!
> >
> > Michelle
> > _______________________________________________
> > games_access mailing list
> > games_access at igda.org
> > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Eelke Folmer                                          Assistant Professor
> > Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
> > University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
> > Game Quality
> > usability|accessibility.eelke.com
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:12:29 -0700
> From: "Eelke Folmer" <eelke.folmer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] E for All
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>         <games_access at igda.org>
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>
> Hi,
>
> I have the funds to go. I could go but I'll probably be busy with teaching.
> By the way, i have all the accessibility equipment (e.g. quad controller,
> one handed joysticks & stuff, still need to order some one
> button) so we don't have to ship it from the UK.
>
> cheers eelke
>
>
>
>
> On 5/22/07, Reid Kimball <reid at rbkdesign.com> wrote:
> > There's a possibility I could attend as it's on the west coast.
> > There's another conference I'll probably attend in Oct, will send an
> > email about it soon.
> >
> > -Reid
> >
> > On 5/22/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> > > Yes, couple that with a booth at GDC...for the first time we'll have
> > > the chance to really get the word on the street! Or at least the
> > > 'net. :)
> > >
> > > >wow! that will be THE Arcade! Excellent /Thomas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >22 maj 2007 kl. 21.04 skrev d. michelle hinn:
> > > >
> > > >>but free of charge booth. Ac
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >__________________________________
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> > > >VD / CEO
> > > >
> > > >Pin Interactive AB
> > > >:: Digital Culture Analysis :: Tools :: Worlds
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From eelke.folmer at gmail.com  Thu May 24 22:09:15 2007
From: eelke.folmer at gmail.com (Eelke Folmer)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:09:15 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
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Hi all,

I think I pitched this idea sometime ago when we were having this big  
conflict ;-) but I'd like to pitch it again because I seriously would  
like you guys to consider this.

It's pretty obvious after the low turnouts of our events that game  
developers are just not interested in what we have to say so why  
don't we do something more rebellious and just shove the facts in  
their face? My idea for next year's GDC would be to stand right  
outside the Moscone center (between the north and west pavilion where  
at least 5000 game developers walk by) with a number of disabled  
people holding signs saying WE WANT ACCESSIBLE GAMES.  If we really  
want to get attention I think this is what we should do. At the same  
time we can hand out small flyers. Lets make four different little  
flyers (so people can collect or trade them ;-) (combine it with the  
persona idea)  for each disability one little flyer which obviously  
states a) a problem b) a solution(s).  E.g. "tim" is a quadripleghic,  
sees gears of war on tv all the time but can't play it because it  
doesn't support his quad controller (maybe not use names of existing  
games not to piss of epic studios). Solutions :  "allow configurable  
keys and map actions to different buttons & use autoaim to minimize  
the amount of interaction".

I don't know if you would be into this, or whether it would be  
appropriate but I think its an idea at least worth exploring.

Cheers Eelke




On May 23, 2007, at 1:25 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:

> The main thing to consider (worry about) is that the fewer sessions  
> we have (and the expo doesn't count), the fewer passes we get that  
> allow us to get into the main part of GDC. So we reallllly have to  
> think about the number of sessions we could realistically do (and  
> perhaps this means that the SIG sponsors sessions that are meant  
> for, say, "research on accessibility" that just a few people take  
> and run with). So...I need to be tricky...er...innovative. ;)
>
> Michelle
>
>> I like something along these lines for a GDC session title,
>>
>> Innovation: True Next Generation Gameplay for Everyone
>>
>> However, it risks sounding like marketing hype and devs see right
>> through that. Anyway, this could be our "wow that's cool shit"  
>> type of
>> presentation where we talk about the Demor sound based game for the
>> blind and Brain Fingers and the Haptic device. We try to make this as
>> flashy and cool as possible, even if tech isn't 100% there or games
>> widely available. It should be entertaining for people who like to  
>> see
>> what's around the corner and educational in showing people that there
>> are those with disabilities that can't play their current games.
>>
>> Aside from that, I'd like to try the Expo booth more than a GDC
>> session. There's only a few ways I can talk about closed captioning
>> and I think I've tried them all.
>>
>> -Reid
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>> Ok...so now's the time to get the write ups going for the proposed
>>> SIG sessions for GDC 2008 (it always takes us a bit to get things
>>> finalized and GDC is even earlier in 2008) and I some ideas that I
>>> want to run past people.
>>>
>>> We've talked a lot already about applying accessibility to how it
>>> would help people that don't have a disability (like curb cuts that
>>> help bicyclists and parents with baby strollers, etc). What if we  
>>> had
>>> a session called "Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able Gamers"
>>> with the session planned around taking what we know about
>>> accessibility and targeted the solutions for the "abled" in order to
>>> help them out by taking them out of the lull of "boring, predictable
>>> gaming"? This would be a session for the really "out there" stuff
>>> like biofeedback and games like demor. When I presented at last
>>> year's Montreal Game Summit, I found that it was the "wow" stuff  
>>> that
>>> got people thinking about the whole issue of accessibility being
>>> "cool" -- it was the carrot that got them to listen to the more  
>>> basic
>>> design information. After that, people came up to talk to me about
>>> how they never thought about accessibility as NOT limiting game
>>> design.
>>>
>>> I'm not totally sold on the title (I just came up with it now so
>>> catchier titles would be greatly appreciated!) but it would give  
>>> us a
>>> way to present accessibility information pertaining to disabled
>>> gamers, sell it as something that helps more than just disabled
>>> gamers without straying too far from the fact that we are the game
>>> accessibility SIG.
>>>
>>> Another thing to think about is not how gamers is with disabilities
>>> are limited but, instead, how maybe the increased skill in another
>>> area makes them even MORE competitive and so "able" gamers should
>>> know about these -- it's a turn around of telling them what they are
>>> doing RIGHT in games by pointing out that they could even the score
>>> with regard to accessibility by keeping these things in their games
>>> (I know...that last one's trickier because it could lead to a
>>> developer thinking that they are unbalanced in their gameplay by
>>> making things easier for one user group...even though they  
>>> already do
>>> that when they are INaccessible).
>>>
>>> I've seen how easy some find it to forget the original audience that
>>> a design was aiming for by making changes that end up not serving
>>> that original audience. So that's why I remain resistant to totally
>>> taking the word "accessibility" out -- I'm afraid of NOT reminding
>>> the industry to keep gamers with disabilities in mind because  
>>> it's so
>>> easy for them to come down with selective amnesia. We've tried a LOT
>>> of tactics over the years -- from serious to humorous, from
>>> roundtables to much more ambitious workshops. So we need to think
>>> about what we've learned from the four years we've presented as a  
>>> SIG
>>> at GDC. We won't do "accessibility idol" again but I think we
>>> *should* do another competition (and we can again -- we got the
>>> tentative "thumbs up" to do an hour-long competition, rather than  
>>> the
>>> two hour overkill). I'll write another email about ideas for a
>>> competition that removes us from "idol" but helps us better make
>>> accessibility into a challenging creative design process rather than
>>> this "forced, non-creative" thing that it's rumored to be (and this
>>> year I know to jump on the signage and web advert issue  
>>> immediately).
>>>
>>> BUT...as a SIG I think we should stick to a fun competition (with  
>>> the
>>> devs that showed interest last year but couldn't do it but can this
>>> year), the expo (with the fall back of another "arcade" thing, only
>>> not three days worth), a "wacky session" like "innovation," and some
>>> sort of longer session (like a tutorial) where we can have "short
>>> burst" info about the things that SIG members have been doing -- ie,
>>> Eelke might take 20-30 minutes to discuss his stuff, Dimitris taking
>>> the same amount of time to overview his latest, Barrie and his  
>>> stuff,
>>> etc, etc, etc. Then if any one person wants to do a longer
>>> presentation on their own stuff, they can do so at their own  
>>> session,
>>> promoting it at the SIG workshop. And if it helps, we can present  
>>> the
>>> more solo-acts as SIG-sponsored sessions to make sure it gets on the
>>> schedule better -- I know Reid and others have had a really hard  
>>> time
>>> getting onto the schedule as solo acts. But in the end the longer
>>> presentations would be the onus of the person who is presenting  
>>> their
>>> work and not something that the entire SIG needs to be there to set
>>> up for, etc (that doesn't mean that we all wouldn't try to be there
>>> for them!!).
>>>
>>> We learned in March that 78.4 SIG sessions (ok, 8) isn't the way to
>>> go but I also think going back to the single roundtable isn't the
>>> answer either. So now we have to find our happy medium that  
>>> allows us
>>> to all ATTEND other sessions and help increase the buzz about all of
>>> our sessions, our existance, etc but also maximize our limited
>>> (simply by the fact that there are just a few of us that can make it
>>> to any one GDC) efforts in the sessions that we do. And we have to
>>> find our happy medium so it's not just a couple of us pulling
>>> all-nighters the weeks before! So instead of me being in charge of
>>> every session for the organization, we can share the wealth a bit by
>>> having some on the committee for the competition, others on the
>>> tutorial/workshop committee, and so forth. I realize that we  
>>> aren't a
>>> big lot but even NON attendees can help serve on committees to help
>>> share ideas!
>>>
>>> Ok that's the end of this email that had started out short and  
>>> sweet.
>>> :) Sorry -- just feeling the GDC pressure and I realllly want to get
>>> as many people involved as possible so we can present a more united
>>> effort and help best support one another!!
>>>
>>> Thoughts? Reactions? And, yes, I'm now very removed from the  
>>> emotions
>>> of GDC 2007. :) But please be thoughtful in your suggestions --
>>> underneath that black leather jacket I keep wearing to GDCs (for  
>>> good
>>> luck?), I can get rather down sometimes (yay! depression!) and I'd
>>> hate for us to have a flame war. I promise I will count to 10 before
>>> hitting the "send" button if I find myself taking things too
>>> personally. Ok, deal? :)
>>>
>>> Michelle
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri May 25 01:19:27 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:19:27 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
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Hey Eelke,

I think that there's a lot of value in doing that or something like 
that. We'd have to think through it carefully and I think we should 
still do sessions and the expo (I don't think you were saying scrap 
the other stuff but just add this to it) to get the passes. That way 
the "protest" also serves as an advert for the expo booth and the 
couple sessions that we do.

Now...the main thing is that we need to look up the laws for having a 
protest. There are different rules in different cities that would 
require us to stay within x number of feet away. But there's also a 
difference between advertising events and a protest. Either way we 
need to figure out what will keep us out of jail. :D

I think the fliers should also have a brief advert about our sessions as well.

Michelle

>Hi all,
>
>I think I pitched this idea sometime ago when we were having this 
>big conflict ;-) but I'd like to pitch it again because I seriously 
>would like you guys to consider this.
>
>It's pretty obvious after the low turnouts of our events that game 
>developers are just not interested in what we have to say so why 
>don't we do something more rebellious and just shove the facts in 
>their face? My idea for next year's GDC would be to stand right 
>outside the Moscone center (between the north and west pavilion 
>where at least 5000 game developers walk by) with a number of 
>disabled people holding signs saying WE WANT ACCESSIBLE GAMES.  If 
>we really want to get attention I think this is what we should 
>do. At the same time we can hand out small flyers. Lets make four 
>different little flyers (so people can collect or trade them ;-) 
>(combine it with the persona idea)  for each disability one little 
>flyer which obviously states a) a problem b) a solution(s).  E.g. 
>"tim" is a quadripleghic, sees gears of war on tv all the time but 
>can't play it because it doesn't support his quad controller (maybe 
>not use names of existing games not to piss of epic studios). 
>Solutions :  "allow configurable keys and map actions to different 
>buttons & use autoaim to minimize the amount of interaction".
>
>I don't know if you would be into this, or whether it would be 
>appropriate but I think its an idea at least worth exploring.
>
>Cheers Eelke
>
>
>
>
>On May 23, 2007, at 1:25 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>
>>The main thing to consider (worry about) is that the fewer sessions 
>>we have (and the expo doesn't count), the fewer passes we get that 
>>allow us to get into the main part of GDC. So we reallllly have to 
>>think about the number of sessions we could realistically do (and 
>>perhaps this means that the SIG sponsors sessions that are meant 
>>for, say, "research on accessibility" that just a few people take 
>>and run with). So...I need to be tricky...er...innovative. ;)
>>
>>Michelle
>>
>>>I like something along these lines for a GDC session title,
>>>
>>>Innovation: True Next Generation Gameplay for Everyone
>>>
>>>However, it risks sounding like marketing hype and devs see right
>>>through that. Anyway, this could be our "wow that's cool shit" type of
>>>presentation where we talk about the Demor sound based game for the
>>>blind and Brain Fingers and the Haptic device. We try to make this as
>>>flashy and cool as possible, even if tech isn't 100% there or games
>>>widely available. It should be entertaining for people who like to see
>>>what's around the corner and educational in showing people that there
>>>are those with disabilities that can't play their current games.
>>>
>>>Aside from that, I'd like to try the Expo booth more than a GDC
>>>session. There's only a few ways I can talk about closed captioning
>>>and I think I've tried them all.
>>>
>>>-Reid
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 5/21/07, d. michelle hinn <<mailto:hinn at uiuc.edu>hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ok...so now's the time to get the write ups going for the proposed
>>>>SIG sessions for GDC 2008 (it always takes us a bit to get things
>>>>finalized and GDC is even earlier in 2008) and I some ideas that I
>>>>want to run past people.
>>>>
>>>>We've talked a lot already about applying accessibility to how it
>>>>would help people that don't have a disability (like curb cuts that
>>>>help bicyclists and parents with baby strollers, etc). What if we had
>>>>a session called "Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able Gamers"
>>>>with the session planned around taking what we know about
>>>>accessibility and targeted the solutions for the "abled" in order to
>>>>help them out by taking them out of the lull of "boring, predictable
>>>>gaming"? This would be a session for the really "out there" stuff
>>>>like biofeedback and games like demor. When I presented at last
>>>>year's Montreal Game Summit, I found that it was the "wow" stuff that
>>>>got people thinking about the whole issue of accessibility being
>>>>"cool" -- it was the carrot that got them to listen to the more basic
>>>>design information. After that, people came up to talk to me about
>>>>how they never thought about accessibility as NOT limiting game
>>>>design.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not totally sold on the title (I just came up with it now so
>>>>catchier titles would be greatly appreciated!) but it would give us a
>>>>way to present accessibility information pertaining to disabled
>>>>gamers, sell it as something that helps more than just disabled
>>>>gamers without straying too far from the fact that we are the game
>>>>accessibility SIG.
>>>>
>>>>Another thing to think about is not how gamers is with disabilities
>>>>are limited but, instead, how maybe the increased skill in another
>>>>area makes them even MORE competitive and so "able" gamers should
>>>>know about these -- it's a turn around of telling them what they are
>>>>doing RIGHT in games by pointing out that they could even the score
>>>>with regard to accessibility by keeping these things in their games
>>>>(I know...that last one's trickier because it could lead to a
>>>>developer thinking that they are unbalanced in their gameplay by
>>>>making things easier for one user group...even though they already do
>>>>that when they are INaccessible).
>>>>
>>>>I've seen how easy some find it to forget the original audience that
>>>>a design was aiming for by making changes that end up not serving
>>>>that original audience. So that's why I remain resistant to totally
>>>>taking the word "accessibility" out -- I'm afraid of NOT reminding
>>>>the industry to keep gamers with disabilities in mind because it's so
>>>>easy for them to come down with selective amnesia. We've tried a LOT
>>>>of tactics over the years -- from serious to humorous, from
>>>>roundtables to much more ambitious workshops. So we need to think
>>>>about what we've learned from the four years we've presented as a SIG
>>>>at GDC. We won't do "accessibility idol" again but I think we
>>>>*should* do another competition (and we can again -- we got the
>>>>tentative "thumbs up" to do an hour-long competition, rather than the
>>>>two hour overkill). I'll write another email about ideas for a
>>>>competition that removes us from "idol" but helps us better make
>>>>accessibility into a challenging creative design process rather than
>>>>this "forced, non-creative" thing that it's rumored to be (and this
>>>>year I know to jump on the signage and web advert issue immediately).
>>>>
>>>>BUT...as a SIG I think we should stick to a fun competition (with the
>>>>devs that showed interest last year but couldn't do it but can this
>>>>year), the expo (with the fall back of another "arcade" thing, only
>>>>not three days worth), a "wacky session" like "innovation," and some
>>>>sort of longer session (like a tutorial) where we can have "short
>>>>burst" info about the things that SIG members have been doing -- ie,
>>>>Eelke might take 20-30 minutes to discuss his stuff, Dimitris taking
>>>>the same amount of time to overview his latest, Barrie and his stuff,
>>>>etc, etc, etc. Then if any one person wants to do a longer
>>>>presentation on their own stuff, they can do so at their own session,
>>>>promoting it at the SIG workshop. And if it helps, we can present the
>>>>more solo-acts as SIG-sponsored sessions to make sure it gets on the
>>>>schedule better -- I know Reid and others have had a really hard time
>>>>getting onto the schedule as solo acts. But in the end the longer
>>>>presentations would be the onus of the person who is presenting their
>>>>work and not something that the entire SIG needs to be there to set
>>>>up for, etc (that doesn't mean that we all wouldn't try to be there
>>>>for them!!).
>>>>
>>>>We learned in March that 78.4 SIG sessions (ok, 8) isn't the way to
>>>>go but I also think going back to the single roundtable isn't the
>>>>answer either. So now we have to find our happy medium that allows us
>>>>to all ATTEND other sessions and help increase the buzz about all of
>>>>our sessions, our existance, etc but also maximize our limited
>>>>(simply by the fact that there are just a few of us that can make it
>>>>to any one GDC) efforts in the sessions that we do. And we have to
>>>>find our happy medium so it's not just a couple of us pulling
>>>>all-nighters the weeks before! So instead of me being in charge of
>>>>every session for the organization, we can share the wealth a bit by
>>>>having some on the committee for the competition, others on the
>>>>tutorial/workshop committee, and so forth. I realize that we aren't a
>>>>big lot but even NON attendees can help serve on committees to help
>>>>share ideas!
>>>>
>>>>Ok that's the end of this email that had started out short and sweet.
>>>>:) Sorry -- just feeling the GDC pressure and I realllly want to get
>>>>as many people involved as possible so we can present a more united
>>>>effort and help best support one another!!
>>>>
>>>>Thoughts? Reactions? And, yes, I'm now very removed from the emotions
>>>>of GDC 2007. :) But please be thoughtful in your suggestions --
>>>>underneath that black leather jacket I keep wearing to GDCs (for good
>>>>luck?), I can get rather down sometimes (yay! depression!) and I'd
>>>>hate for us to have a flame war. I promise I will count to 10 before
>>>>hitting the "send" button if I find myself taking things too
>>>>personally. Ok, deal? :)
>>>>
>>>>Michelle
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri May 25 01:23:13 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:23:13 -0500
Subject: [games_access] More persona stuff
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I can also add what I know about scenario-based design -- let's start 
working on this on the wiki. I'll carve out a place for us to start 
writing up our stories.

I'm leaning toward cartoon images -- like a superhero gamer who is 
blind but has amazing hearing, etc. I think that would fit in better 
with the game conference. But I'm also struggling with the images of 
real people -- we'd need to do some major legal rights stuff to use 
their images.

Michelle

>Hi Lynn,
>
>That would be great! Even if it was only to give disabilities a more
>human face. What I'm saying is that game developers probably
>sympathize more with seeing an actual person with a disability than
>with something abstract like: " cognitive limitation"
>
>Should we use images of real people (don't want to violate someone's
>privacy or image rights) or shall we use cartoonlike images?
>
>Cheers Eelke
>
>
>
>
>On 5/24/07, Lynn Marentette <lynnvm at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>>Eelke - and games access members -
>>
>>I been lurking most of the time on this list, because I've been so busy with
>>work and school.
>>
>>I took a graduate-level Human-Computer Interaction class last semester and
>>spent some  time developing "personas" for part of a project.
>>
>>I would be happy to work on some personas that would benefit the cause.
>>
>>I'm not sure if you remember me, but I'm a school psychologist who works
>>with students who have a range of abilities and disabilities. (I chose the
>>topic of Universal Usability for my class presentation.)
>>
>>Lynn Marentette
>>
>>TechPsych
>>Interactive Multimedia Technology
>>
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>>Today's Topics:
>>
>>    1. persona (Eelke Folmer)
>>    2. Re: Game Accessibility Conference (Eelke Folmer)
>>    3. Re: Game Accessibility Conference (Reid Kimball)
>>    4. Re: E for All (Eelke Folmer)
>>
>>
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>>
>>Message: 1
>>Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:32:32 -0700
>>From: Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com>
>>Subject: [games_access] persona
>>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>
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>>Hi,
>>
>>I had an idea that I picked up a while ago while I was at CHI 2006 last
>>year, I found it last week while going through old notes. At
>>Chi2006 there was a talk on microsoft office and one of the interaction
>>designers showed how microsoft uses  persona' to help design software. E.g.
>>there would be a grandma called betty (making these names up) who would use
>>word to write a letter to her son.
>>There would be a 12 year old schoolgirl called emma who would use word to
>>write a school paper on dinosaurs. There would be a 'dad' who would use
>>excel to calculate car payments.  etc etc, there were about
>>6 of these personas on big signs with a name, a photo, some of their hobbies
>>and some sentences indicating how they would use a particular Microsoft
>>application. (i'm not exactly sure what was on there). They would hang these
>>persona's as posters in offices in microsoft so the developers would be
>>aware for who they were designing for. At some point they would not notice
>>the posters any more but these persona's were very much embedded in the
>>development of software and were always references in discussions. E.g. they
>>would consider adding a complicated feature in excel that could help dad
>>more easy but that would also make the interface more difficult for tommie,
>>etc etc.
>>
>>I was wondering whether we could do the same for disabilities? If we can
>>actually provide developers 4-6 persona (covering most
>>disabilities) I think it would be an helpful tool which can facilitate
>>discussion and will also allow more clearly to focus the development of a
>>game to include disabilities.
>>
>>I was thinking of doing it for my collection of patterns already because i
>>think its just more personable to develop for "blind bettie" and show a
>>picture of a girl that is actually blind than just use "visual impairments".
>>
>>Any ideas/thoughts on this?
>>
>>cheers Eelke
>>
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>>Eelke Folmer                                          Assistant
>>Professor
>>Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>>University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>>Game Quality                   usability|accessibility.eelke.com
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>>Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:33:26 -0700
>>From: Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
>>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>
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>>Hi,
>>
>>The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great but I'm
>>kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience for it.
>>What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game developers of
>>the importance of making games accessible? or or do we target our fellow
>>researchers and discuss & explore new ways of making games more accessible
>>and putting accessibility on the roadmap of developers?
>>
>>I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>>
>>cheers Eelke
>>
>>
>>
>>On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>
>>>  So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start discussing
>>>  it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a
>>>  one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something
>>>  attached to another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a "summit"
>>>  at a time where we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>>>
>>>  This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online meetings
>>>  this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we
>>>  cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from every major
>>>  game company we can to attend), do we want it to be small the first
>>>  year and then cast the net wider the next year?
>>>
>>>  What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that does
>>>  conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want and they
>>>  deal with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, some
>>>  advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool opportunity!
>>>
>>>  Michelle
>>>  _______________________________________________
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>>>  games_access at igda.org
>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
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>>Professor
>>Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
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>>Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:59:21 -0700
>>From: "Reid Kimball" <reid at rbkdesign.com>
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>>         <games_access at igda.org>
>>Message-ID:
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>>"I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience for
>>it" I think the first GDC had 7 attendees. We shouldn't put unrealistic
>>pressure on ourselves with our first conference to bring in huge numbers or
>>big names. The other questions you ask are right.
>>If it's a conference, I'd want to see some sessions geared towards the
>>academic/research crowd talking about ways to improve accessibility and
>>others geared to developers talking about the practical implementations that
>>work now.
>>
>>On 5/23/07, Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi,
>>>
>>>  The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great but
>>>  I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience for
>>it.
>>>  What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game developers
>>>  of the importance of making games accessible? or or do we target our
>>>  fellow researchers and discuss & explore new ways of making games more
>>>  accessible and putting accessibility on the roadmap of developers?
>>>
>>>  I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>>>
>>>  cheers Eelke
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>
>>>  So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start discussing
>>>  it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts in creating a
>>>  one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this could be something
>>>  attached to another conference (like GDC) or on it's own as a "summit"
>>>  at a time where we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>>>
>>>  This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online meetings
>>>  this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how wide we
>>>  cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from every major
>>>  game company we can to attend), do we want it to be small the first
>>>  year and then cast the net wider the next year?
>>>
>>>  What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that does
>>>  conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want and they
>>>  deal with the registration, hotel block reservations, venue, some
>>>  advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool opportunity!
>>>
>>>  Michelle
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>  games_access mailing list
>>>  games_access at igda.org
>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>  Eelke Folmer                                          Assistant Professor
>>>  Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>>>  University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>>>  Game Quality
>>>  usability|accessibility.eelke.com
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>>
>>
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>>
>>Message: 4
>>Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:12:29 -0700
>>From: "Eelke Folmer" <eelke.folmer at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] E for All
>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>>         <games_access at igda.org>
>>Message-ID:
>>         <836db6300705231612g9790ae9v8ef057e9d031f55f at mail.gmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>>Hi,
>>
>>I have the funds to go. I could go but I'll probably be busy with teaching.
>>By the way, i have all the accessibility equipment (e.g. quad controller,
>>one handed joysticks & stuff, still need to order some one
>>button) so we don't have to ship it from the UK.
>>
>>cheers eelke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 5/22/07, Reid Kimball <reid at rbkdesign.com> wrote:
>>>  There's a possibility I could attend as it's on the west coast.
>>>  There's another conference I'll probably attend in Oct, will send an
>>  > email about it soon.
>>>
>>>  -Reid
>>>
>>>  On 5/22/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>>  > Yes, couple that with a booth at GDC...for the first time we'll have
>>>  > the chance to really get the word on the street! Or at least the
>>>  > 'net. :)
>>>  >
>>>  > >wow! that will be THE Arcade! Excellent /Thomas
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >22 maj 2007 kl. 21.04 skrev d. michelle hinn:
>>>  > >
>>>  > >>but free of charge booth. Ac
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >
>>>  > >__________________________________
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>>>  > >Pin Interactive AB
>>>  > >:: Digital Culture Analysis :: Tools :: Worlds
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Fri May 25 04:44:31 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:44:31 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
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I think this kind of thing can be effective. I know in this country D.A.N. (The Disability Action Network) handcuffed themselves to buses and the railings of parliament when they were protesting about the lack of access in public transport. I would say that transport is now a lot better in this country - not solely for their protests - but I think they helped sway oppinion. D.A.N. is very quiet/non-existant these days - but many of the activists from D.A.N. got absorbed by councils and so on with jobs where they could make changes from within. It would be great if more disabled people started to get jobs out of a GDC campaign and could make a difference in a similar way.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Eelke Folmer 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008


  Hi all,


  I think I pitched this idea sometime ago when we were having this big conflict ;-) but I'd like to pitch it again because I seriously would like you guys to consider this. 


  It's pretty obvious after the low turnouts of our events that game developers are just not interested in what we have to say so why don't we do something more rebellious and just shove the facts in their face? My idea for next year's GDC would be to stand right outside the Moscone center (between the north and west pavilion where at least 5000 game developers walk by) with a number of disabled people holding signs saying WE WANT ACCESSIBLE GAMES.  If we really want to get attention I think this is what we should do. At the same time we can hand out small flyers. Lets make four different little flyers (so people can collect or trade them ;-) (combine it with the persona idea)  for each disability one little flyer which obviously states a) a problem b) a solution(s).  E.g. "tim" is a quadripleghic, sees gears of war on tv all the time but can't play it because it doesn't support his quad controller (maybe not use names of existing games not to piss of epic studios). Solutions :  "allow configurable keys and map actions to different buttons & use autoaim to minimize the amount of interaction".


  I don't know if you would be into this, or whether it would be appropriate but I think its an idea at least worth exploring. 


  Cheers Eelke








  On May 23, 2007, at 1:25 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:


    The main thing to consider (worry about) is that the fewer sessions we have (and the expo doesn't count), the fewer passes we get that allow us to get into the main part of GDC. So we reallllly have to think about the number of sessions we could realistically do (and perhaps this means that the SIG sponsors sessions that are meant for, say, "research on accessibility" that just a few people take and run with). So...I need to be tricky...er...innovative. ;)


    Michelle


      I like something along these lines for a GDC session title,


      Innovation: True Next Generation Gameplay for Everyone


      However, it risks sounding like marketing hype and devs see right
      through that. Anyway, this could be our "wow that's cool shit" type of
      presentation where we talk about the Demor sound based game for the
      blind and Brain Fingers and the Haptic device. We try to make this as
      flashy and cool as possible, even if tech isn't 100% there or games
      widely available. It should be entertaining for people who like to see
      what's around the corner and educational in showing people that there
      are those with disabilities that can't play their current games.


      Aside from that, I'd like to try the Expo booth more than a GDC
      session. There's only a few ways I can talk about closed captioning
      and I think I've tried them all.


      -Reid






      On 5/21/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
        Ok...so now's the time to get the write ups going for the proposed
        SIG sessions for GDC 2008 (it always takes us a bit to get things
        finalized and GDC is even earlier in 2008) and I some ideas that I
        want to run past people.


        We've talked a lot already about applying accessibility to how it
        would help people that don't have a disability (like curb cuts that
        help bicyclists and parents with baby strollers, etc). What if we had
        a session called "Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able Gamers"
        with the session planned around taking what we know about
        accessibility and targeted the solutions for the "abled" in order to
        help them out by taking them out of the lull of "boring, predictable
        gaming"? This would be a session for the really "out there" stuff
        like biofeedback and games like demor. When I presented at last
        year's Montreal Game Summit, I found that it was the "wow" stuff that
        got people thinking about the whole issue of accessibility being
        "cool" -- it was the carrot that got them to listen to the more basic
        design information. After that, people came up to talk to me about
        how they never thought about accessibility as NOT limiting game
        design.


        I'm not totally sold on the title (I just came up with it now so
        catchier titles would be greatly appreciated!) but it would give us a
        way to present accessibility information pertaining to disabled
        gamers, sell it as something that helps more than just disabled
        gamers without straying too far from the fact that we are the game
        accessibility SIG.


        Another thing to think about is not how gamers is with disabilities
        are limited but, instead, how maybe the increased skill in another
        area makes them even MORE competitive and so "able" gamers should
        know about these -- it's a turn around of telling them what they are
        doing RIGHT in games by pointing out that they could even the score
        with regard to accessibility by keeping these things in their games
        (I know...that last one's trickier because it could lead to a
        developer thinking that they are unbalanced in their gameplay by
        making things easier for one user group...even though they already do
        that when they are INaccessible).


        I've seen how easy some find it to forget the original audience that
        a design was aiming for by making changes that end up not serving
        that original audience. So that's why I remain resistant to totally
        taking the word "accessibility" out -- I'm afraid of NOT reminding
        the industry to keep gamers with disabilities in mind because it's so
        easy for them to come down with selective amnesia. We've tried a LOT
        of tactics over the years -- from serious to humorous, from
        roundtables to much more ambitious workshops. So we need to think
        about what we've learned from the four years we've presented as a SIG
        at GDC. We won't do "accessibility idol" again but I think we
        *should* do another competition (and we can again -- we got the
        tentative "thumbs up" to do an hour-long competition, rather than the
        two hour overkill). I'll write another email about ideas for a
        competition that removes us from "idol" but helps us better make
        accessibility into a challenging creative design process rather than
        this "forced, non-creative" thing that it's rumored to be (and this
        year I know to jump on the signage and web advert issue immediately).


        BUT...as a SIG I think we should stick to a fun competition (with the
        devs that showed interest last year but couldn't do it but can this
        year), the expo (with the fall back of another "arcade" thing, only
        not three days worth), a "wacky session" like "innovation," and some
        sort of longer session (like a tutorial) where we can have "short
        burst" info about the things that SIG members have been doing -- ie,
        Eelke might take 20-30 minutes to discuss his stuff, Dimitris taking
        the same amount of time to overview his latest, Barrie and his stuff,
        etc, etc, etc. Then if any one person wants to do a longer
        presentation on their own stuff, they can do so at their own session,
        promoting it at the SIG workshop. And if it helps, we can present the
        more solo-acts as SIG-sponsored sessions to make sure it gets on the
        schedule better -- I know Reid and others have had a really hard time
        getting onto the schedule as solo acts. But in the end the longer
        presentations would be the onus of the person who is presenting their
        work and not something that the entire SIG needs to be there to set
        up for, etc (that doesn't mean that we all wouldn't try to be there
        for them!!).


        We learned in March that 78.4 SIG sessions (ok, 8) isn't the way to
        go but I also think going back to the single roundtable isn't the
        answer either. So now we have to find our happy medium that allows us
        to all ATTEND other sessions and help increase the buzz about all of
        our sessions, our existance, etc but also maximize our limited
        (simply by the fact that there are just a few of us that can make it
        to any one GDC) efforts in the sessions that we do. And we have to
        find our happy medium so it's not just a couple of us pulling
        all-nighters the weeks before! So instead of me being in charge of
        every session for the organization, we can share the wealth a bit by
        having some on the committee for the competition, others on the
        tutorial/workshop committee, and so forth. I realize that we aren't a
        big lot but even NON attendees can help serve on committees to help
        share ideas!


        Ok that's the end of this email that had started out short and sweet.
        :) Sorry -- just feeling the GDC pressure and I realllly want to get
        as many people involved as possible so we can present a more united
        effort and help best support one another!!


        Thoughts? Reactions? And, yes, I'm now very removed from the emotions
        of GDC 2007. :) But please be thoughtful in your suggestions --
        underneath that black leather jacket I keep wearing to GDCs (for good
        luck?), I can get rather down sometimes (yay! depression!) and I'd
        hate for us to have a flame war. I promise I will count to 10 before
        hitting the "send" button if I find myself taking things too
        personally. Ok, deal? :)


        Michelle
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From bsawyer at dmill.com  Fri May 25 05:15:57 2007
From: bsawyer at dmill.com (Ben Sawyer)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 05:15:57 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Personas, etc. but what is really needed...
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The personas idea sounds pretty cool and I agree it would help.

One of the things that I think would get developers moving a bit more  
and really possibly improve progress and pressure on developers is if  
there was a universal SDK and set of standard libraries that could be  
linked in to any game where the result of XX programmer weeks would  
result in a game that has far more accessibility.  Perhaps everything  
can't be solved this way but until there is a standardized SDK to  
some extent you won't get as far.

Once there is an open source standard SDK that is updated and worked  
on (hopefully with aide by professional developers and perhaps with  
funding too) and perhaps aided by university research in an organized  
fashion then it becomes a matter of brow beating publishers to do the  
work to integrate it just like every other SDK past/present/future  
works.  It becomes a semi-singular response - this games supports the  
SDK this game does not.

Also it would seem if you could create standard icons for  
accessibility like we see from GameSpy, ESRB, PC-CDROM, EAX, XBOX  
LIVE!, etc. that showcases in a second such compatibility that would  
help as well.   Perhaps a standard logo that would provide some quick  
response to users about its compatibility with the SDK or various  
specific standardize accessibility issues.  What you might not know  
e.g. is that the EMA (entertainment merchants association) controls  
the standard PC-CDROM logo and that they license its use to the  
publishers in return I think for nominal fees or at the least I think  
it was 3 copies each of all games (which they then donate).

If you followed this idea in the long-term what you could do is A)  
develop/galavenize the development of the SDK(s)/Librarie(s) and then  
a standard logo of compliance with the SDK.  No publisher could use  
the logo without making a per-sku (not title) payment to the non- 
profit that controlled the trademark (you could even write it into  
the EULA of the open-source license probably) and the cost would be  
low like $50-$100 per sku.  EA put out probably 500-1000 worldwide  
skus last year across all formats.

If you want to make progress in games you need to do it in software.   
It's like getting press - the easier you make the other persons job  
the more attention you will get.  You need to create an ecosystem of  
code not just an ecosystem of pressure because at the end of the day  
linking in an API is a process most publishers and development  
studios can deal with but writing new code from scratch doesn't  
work.  Going to several different sites to cobble together existing  
code doesn't work.  Etc.

If you had a one-stop code repository and GOOD docs then what happens  
if the accompanying pressure/customer service comes into play is you  
will probably see 3-4 things happen:

1. You will be able to boil down average strong compliance to an  
average cost per title to link in the SDK as opposed to an amorphous  
cost it would be fairly standard and trackable.  When you have that  
you can create awareness that EA and others are ignoring a trivial  
cost and QA process.

2. You will be able to argue that the console companies could  
integrate the SDK into their own libraries and middleware and (cross  
fingers) their QA process.

3. You will see studios/publishers assign junior / intern programmers  
to the SDK as a project.  With an API, docs, standard process it's a  
great "here kid do this!" project.  There is little supervision and  
worry about virgin code.  As a manager you have to hope a new  
programmer is at least good enough to integrate in a standard API or  
they're worthless.

4. You will see programmers inside companies who are trying to win  
the right to integrate these features do so more frequently because  
it will be a standardized process.  The industry is beginning to  
standardize development practices more and with an SDK you can get  
into that pipeline better.

5. You will see more industry support for the SDK itself and in  
general I think far better compliance.

I'm not the expert - perhaps such code exists but I googled for it  
and didn't see anything right away.  It would seem you could  
standardize some libraries for color blindness, one switch  
controller, head mounted mice, closed captioning, etc.  If you at  
least outlined what an spec for it would be then a place like  
Carnegie Melon, USC, and other universities could be asked to assign  
students to develop the initial codebase.

If you want a campaign to work write code.  That is the single  
biggest impediment.  With it then the excuses or non-attention by  
developers will be much harder for them to pull.  If you're going to  
apply a hammer you need the anvil.

- Ben



From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Fri May 25 06:26:22 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:26:22 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Dreamcast Wii Tennis
Message-ID: <040e01c79eb7$24735350$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>

Nothing to do with very much, but as a big fan of the Dreamcast - thought I'd pass it on...

http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2007/05/virtua-tennis-played-on-dreamcast.html#comments
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Fri May 25 06:28:23 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:28:23 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Dreamcast Wii Tennis
Message-ID: <041501c79eb7$6c88d8e0$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>

This links to it too:

http://the-dreamcast-junkyard.blogspot.com/2007/05/seven-yearstoo-late.html

The PS3 six-axis controller looks like a nightmare for fully able-bodied, never mind any disabled gamers... Will have to wait and see.

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From j.chetwynd at btinternet.com  Fri May 25 08:07:45 2007
From: j.chetwynd at btinternet.com (=?UTF-8?B?In46Jycg44GC44KK44GM44Go44GG44GU44GW44GE44G+44GX44Gf?= =?UTF-8?B?44CCIg==?=)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:07:45 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Steam?
Message-ID: <3ED63B59-AC88-411D-B4F6-A89C3CE793DD@btinternet.com>

http://www.steamgames.com/

anyone checked this out, or know if they have accessibility awareness  
or support?

cheers

Jonathan Chetwynd





From reid at rbkdesign.com  Fri May 25 11:08:01 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:08:01 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Steam?
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References: <3ED63B59-AC88-411D-B4F6-A89C3CE793DD@btinternet.com>
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It's a portal in a way for publishers and developers to sell their
games for download. It was started by Valve Software for their
Half-Life games and has since allowed others to use the service. Any
kind of accessibility features in the games will be dependent on who
developed the game.

-Reid

On 5/25/07, "~:'' ????????????" <j.chetwynd at btinternet.com> wrote:
> http://www.steamgames.com/
>
> anyone checked this out, or know if they have accessibility awareness
> or support?
>
> cheers
>
> Jonathan Chetwynd
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
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From ioo at ablegamers.com  Fri May 25 11:20:57 2007
From: ioo at ablegamers.com (Ioo)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:20:57 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Steam?
In-Reply-To: <3ED63B59-AC88-411D-B4F6-A89C3CE793DD@btinternet.com>
References: <3ED63B59-AC88-411D-B4F6-A89C3CE793DD@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <4656FED9.2030006@ablegamers.com>

We use steam at work when we play Counter Strike. It is a 2 fold system, 
it is a way for game makers to distribute games in digital download 
form. It also hosts or allows you to host servers for others to connect 
to in the steam network. Many, I would dare to say most, of the games it 
has are FPS and LAN friendly games. (for the record they also work like 
spam light. It WANTS to always run at startup (you can disable that) and 
push game "news" (adverts) to you. It is not 50 a day, but it can be 
intrusive if you do not go and tamp it down.)

So the steam software is just like any windows software. Each game has 
it's own issues.

.mark
AbleGamers.com

~:'' ???????????? wrote:
> http://www.steamgames.com/
>
> anyone checked this out, or know if they have accessibility awareness 
> or support?
>
> cheers
>
> Jonathan Chetwynd
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From reid at rbkdesign.com  Fri May 25 11:22:02 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:22:02 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
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I would much prefer to hand out fliers to people without having a loud
protest. I don't want to see people used as props. I think people
would be annoyed by our presence when they are outside trying to have
conversations.

On 5/25/07, Barrie Ellis <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
> I think this kind of thing can be effective. I know in this country D.A.N.
> (The Disability Action Network) handcuffed themselves to buses and the
> railings of parliament when they were protesting about the lack of access in
> public transport. I would say that transport is now a lot better in this
> country - not solely for their protests - but I think they helped sway
> oppinion. D.A.N. is very quiet/non-existant these days - but many of the
> activists from D.A.N. got absorbed by councils and so on with jobs where
> they could make changes from within. It would be great if more disabled
> people started to get jobs out of a GDC campaign and could make a difference
> in a similar way.
>
> Barrie
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Eelke Folmer
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> I think I pitched this idea sometime ago when we were having this big
> conflict ;-) but I'd like to pitch it again because I seriously would like
> you guys to consider this.
>
>
> It's pretty obvious after the low turnouts of our events that game
> developers are just not interested in what we have to say so why don't we do
> something more rebellious and just shove the facts in their face? My idea
> for next year's GDC would be to stand right outside the Moscone center
> (between the north and west pavilion where at least 5000 game developers
> walk by) with a number of disabled people holding signs saying WE WANT
> ACCESSIBLE GAMES.  If we really want to get attention I think this is what
> we should do. At the same time we can hand out small flyers. Lets make four
> different little flyers (so people can collect or trade them ;-) (combine it
> with the persona idea)  for each disability one little flyer which obviously
> states a) a problem b) a solution(s).  E.g. "tim" is a quadripleghic, sees
> gears of war on tv all the time but can't play it because it doesn't support
> his quad controller (maybe not use names of existing games not to piss of
> epic studios). Solutions :  "allow configurable keys and map actions to
> different buttons & use autoaim to minimize the amount of interaction".
>
>
> I don't know if you would be into this, or whether it would be appropriate
> but I think its an idea at least worth exploring.
>
>
> Cheers Eelke
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 23, 2007, at 1:25 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>
>
> The main thing to consider (worry about) is that the fewer sessions we have
> (and the expo doesn't count), the fewer passes we get that allow us to get
> into the main part of GDC. So we reallllly have to think about the number of
> sessions we could realistically do (and perhaps this means that the SIG
> sponsors sessions that are meant for, say, "research on accessibility" that
> just a few people take and run with). So...I need to be
> tricky...er...innovative. ;)
>
>
> Michelle
>
>
>
> I like something along these lines for a GDC session title,
>
>
> Innovation: True Next Generation Gameplay for Everyone
>
>
> However, it risks sounding like marketing hype and devs see right
> through that. Anyway, this could be our "wow that's cool shit" type of
> presentation where we talk about the Demor sound based game for the
> blind and Brain Fingers and the Haptic device. We try to make this as
> flashy and cool as possible, even if tech isn't 100% there or games
> widely available. It should be entertaining for people who like to see
> what's around the corner and educational in showing people that there
> are those with disabilities that can't play their current games.
>
>
> Aside from that, I'd like to try the Expo booth more than a GDC
> session. There's only a few ways I can talk about closed captioning
> and I think I've tried them all.
>
>
> -Reid
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5/21/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
> Ok...so now's the time to get the write ups going for the proposed
> SIG sessions for GDC 2008 (it always takes us a bit to get things
> finalized and GDC is even earlier in 2008) and I some ideas that I
> want to run past people.
>
>
> We've talked a lot already about applying accessibility to how it
> would help people that don't have a disability (like curb cuts that
> help bicyclists and parents with baby strollers, etc). What if we had
> a session called "Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able Gamers"
> with the session planned around taking what we know about
> accessibility and targeted the solutions for the "abled" in order to
> help them out by taking them out of the lull of "boring, predictable
> gaming"? This would be a session for the really "out there" stuff
> like biofeedback and games like demor. When I presented at last
> year's Montreal Game Summit, I found that it was the "wow" stuff that
> got people thinking about the whole issue of accessibility being
> "cool" -- it was the carrot that got them to listen to the more basic
> design information. After that, people came up to talk to me about
> how they never thought about accessibility as NOT limiting game
> design.
>
>
> I'm not totally sold on the title (I just came up with it now so
> catchier titles would be greatly appreciated!) but it would give us a
> way to present accessibility information pertaining to disabled
> gamers, sell it as something that helps more than just disabled
> gamers without straying too far from the fact that we are the game
> accessibility SIG.
>
>
> Another thing to think about is not how gamers is with disabilities
> are limited but, instead, how maybe the increased skill in another
> area makes them even MORE competitive and so "able" gamers should
> know about these -- it's a turn around of telling them what they are
> doing RIGHT in games by pointing out that they could even the score
> with regard to accessibility by keeping these things in their games
> (I know...that last one's trickier because it could lead to a
> developer thinking that they are unbalanced in their gameplay by
> making things easier for one user group...even though they already do
> that when they are INaccessible).
>
>
> I've seen how easy some find it to forget the original audience that
> a design was aiming for by making changes that end up not serving
> that original audience. So that's why I remain resistant to totally
> taking the word "accessibility" out -- I'm afraid of NOT reminding
> the industry to keep gamers with disabilities in mind because it's so
> easy for them to come down with selective amnesia. We've tried a LOT
> of tactics over the years -- from serious to humorous, from
> roundtables to much more ambitious workshops. So we need to think
> about what we've learned from the four years we've presented as a SIG
> at GDC. We won't do "accessibility idol" again but I think we
> *should* do another competition (and we can again -- we got the
> tentative "thumbs up" to do an hour-long competition, rather than the
> two hour overkill). I'll write another email about ideas for a
> competition that removes us from "idol" but helps us better make
> accessibility into a challenging creative design process rather than
> this "forced, non-creative" thing that it's rumored to be (and this
> year I know to jump on the signage and web advert issue immediately).
>
>
> BUT...as a SIG I think we should stick to a fun competition (with the
> devs that showed interest last year but couldn't do it but can this
> year), the expo (with the fall back of another "arcade" thing, only
> not three days worth), a "wacky session" like "innovation," and some
> sort of longer session (like a tutorial) where we can have "short
> burst" info about the things that SIG members have been doing -- ie,
> Eelke might take 20-30 minutes to discuss his stuff, Dimitris taking
> the same amount of time to overview his latest, Barrie and his stuff,
> etc, etc, etc. Then if any one person wants to do a longer
> presentation on their own stuff, they can do so at their own session,
> promoting it at the SIG workshop. And if it helps, we can present the
> more solo-acts as SIG-sponsored sessions to make sure it gets on the
> schedule better -- I know Reid and others have had a really hard time
> getting onto the schedule as solo acts. But in the end the longer
> presentations would be the onus of the person who is presenting their
> work and not something that the entire SIG needs to be there to set
> up for, etc (that doesn't mean that we all wouldn't try to be there
> for them!!).
>
>
> We learned in March that 78.4 SIG sessions (ok, 8) isn't the way to
> go but I also think going back to the single roundtable isn't the
> answer either. So now we have to find our happy medium that allows us
> to all ATTEND other sessions and help increase the buzz about all of
> our sessions, our existance, etc but also maximize our limited
> (simply by the fact that there are just a few of us that can make it
> to any one GDC) efforts in the sessions that we do. And we have to
> find our happy medium so it's not just a couple of us pulling
> all-nighters the weeks before! So instead of me being in charge of
> every session for the organization, we can share the wealth a bit by
> having some on the committee for the competition, others on the
> tutorial/workshop committee, and so forth. I realize that we aren't a
> big lot but even NON attendees can help serve on committees to help
> share ideas!
>
>
> Ok that's the end of this email that had started out short and sweet.
> :) Sorry -- just feeling the GDC pressure and I realllly want to get
> as many people involved as possible so we can present a more united
> effort and help best support one another!!
>
>
> Thoughts? Reactions? And, yes, I'm now very removed from the emotions
> of GDC 2007. :) But please be thoughtful in your suggestions --
> underneath that black leather jacket I keep wearing to GDCs (for good
> luck?), I can get rather down sometimes (yay! depression!) and I'd
> hate for us to have a flame war. I promise I will count to 10 before
> hitting the "send" button if I find myself taking things too
> personally. Ok, deal? :)
>
>
> Michelle
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>
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> Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
> University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
> Game Quality
> usability|accessibility.eelke.com
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Fri May 25 12:18:59 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:18:59 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
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Don't know that this method wouldn't see us kicked out of GDC for a long 
while to be honest... I'd have to be pursuaded that this is a good idea in 
this case.

Barrie



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reid Kimball" <reid at rbkdesign.com>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008


>I would much prefer to hand out fliers to people without having a loud
> protest. I don't want to see people used as props. I think people
> would be annoyed by our presence when they are outside trying to have
> conversations.
>
> On 5/25/07, Barrie Ellis <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think this kind of thing can be effective. I know in this country 
>> D.A.N.
>> (The Disability Action Network) handcuffed themselves to buses and the
>> railings of parliament when they were protesting about the lack of access 
>> in
>> public transport. I would say that transport is now a lot better in this
>> country - not solely for their protests - but I think they helped sway
>> oppinion. D.A.N. is very quiet/non-existant these days - but many of the
>> activists from D.A.N. got absorbed by councils and so on with jobs where
>> they could make changes from within. It would be great if more disabled
>> people started to get jobs out of a GDC campaign and could make a 
>> difference
>> in a similar way.
>>
>> Barrie
>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Eelke Folmer
>> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> I think I pitched this idea sometime ago when we were having this big
>> conflict ;-) but I'd like to pitch it again because I seriously would 
>> like
>> you guys to consider this.
>>
>>
>> It's pretty obvious after the low turnouts of our events that game
>> developers are just not interested in what we have to say so why don't we 
>> do
>> something more rebellious and just shove the facts in their face? My idea
>> for next year's GDC would be to stand right outside the Moscone center
>> (between the north and west pavilion where at least 5000 game developers
>> walk by) with a number of disabled people holding signs saying WE WANT
>> ACCESSIBLE GAMES.  If we really want to get attention I think this is 
>> what
>> we should do. At the same time we can hand out small flyers. Lets make 
>> four
>> different little flyers (so people can collect or trade them ;-) (combine 
>> it
>> with the persona idea)  for each disability one little flyer which 
>> obviously
>> states a) a problem b) a solution(s).  E.g. "tim" is a quadripleghic, 
>> sees
>> gears of war on tv all the time but can't play it because it doesn't 
>> support
>> his quad controller (maybe not use names of existing games not to piss of
>> epic studios). Solutions :  "allow configurable keys and map actions to
>> different buttons & use autoaim to minimize the amount of interaction".
>>
>>
>> I don't know if you would be into this, or whether it would be 
>> appropriate
>> but I think its an idea at least worth exploring.
>>
>>
>> Cheers Eelke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 23, 2007, at 1:25 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>
>>
>> The main thing to consider (worry about) is that the fewer sessions we 
>> have
>> (and the expo doesn't count), the fewer passes we get that allow us to 
>> get
>> into the main part of GDC. So we reallllly have to think about the number 
>> of
>> sessions we could realistically do (and perhaps this means that the SIG
>> sponsors sessions that are meant for, say, "research on accessibility" 
>> that
>> just a few people take and run with). So...I need to be
>> tricky...er...innovative. ;)
>>
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>>
>>
>> I like something along these lines for a GDC session title,
>>
>>
>> Innovation: True Next Generation Gameplay for Everyone
>>
>>
>> However, it risks sounding like marketing hype and devs see right
>> through that. Anyway, this could be our "wow that's cool shit" type of
>> presentation where we talk about the Demor sound based game for the
>> blind and Brain Fingers and the Haptic device. We try to make this as
>> flashy and cool as possible, even if tech isn't 100% there or games
>> widely available. It should be entertaining for people who like to see
>> what's around the corner and educational in showing people that there
>> are those with disabilities that can't play their current games.
>>
>>
>> Aside from that, I'd like to try the Expo booth more than a GDC
>> session. There's only a few ways I can talk about closed captioning
>> and I think I've tried them all.
>>
>>
>> -Reid
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Ok...so now's the time to get the write ups going for the proposed
>> SIG sessions for GDC 2008 (it always takes us a bit to get things
>> finalized and GDC is even earlier in 2008) and I some ideas that I
>> want to run past people.
>>
>>
>> We've talked a lot already about applying accessibility to how it
>> would help people that don't have a disability (like curb cuts that
>> help bicyclists and parents with baby strollers, etc). What if we had
>> a session called "Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able Gamers"
>> with the session planned around taking what we know about
>> accessibility and targeted the solutions for the "abled" in order to
>> help them out by taking them out of the lull of "boring, predictable
>> gaming"? This would be a session for the really "out there" stuff
>> like biofeedback and games like demor. When I presented at last
>> year's Montreal Game Summit, I found that it was the "wow" stuff that
>> got people thinking about the whole issue of accessibility being
>> "cool" -- it was the carrot that got them to listen to the more basic
>> design information. After that, people came up to talk to me about
>> how they never thought about accessibility as NOT limiting game
>> design.
>>
>>
>> I'm not totally sold on the title (I just came up with it now so
>> catchier titles would be greatly appreciated!) but it would give us a
>> way to present accessibility information pertaining to disabled
>> gamers, sell it as something that helps more than just disabled
>> gamers without straying too far from the fact that we are the game
>> accessibility SIG.
>>
>>
>> Another thing to think about is not how gamers is with disabilities
>> are limited but, instead, how maybe the increased skill in another
>> area makes them even MORE competitive and so "able" gamers should
>> know about these -- it's a turn around of telling them what they are
>> doing RIGHT in games by pointing out that they could even the score
>> with regard to accessibility by keeping these things in their games
>> (I know...that last one's trickier because it could lead to a
>> developer thinking that they are unbalanced in their gameplay by
>> making things easier for one user group...even though they already do
>> that when they are INaccessible).
>>
>>
>> I've seen how easy some find it to forget the original audience that
>> a design was aiming for by making changes that end up not serving
>> that original audience. So that's why I remain resistant to totally
>> taking the word "accessibility" out -- I'm afraid of NOT reminding
>> the industry to keep gamers with disabilities in mind because it's so
>> easy for them to come down with selective amnesia. We've tried a LOT
>> of tactics over the years -- from serious to humorous, from
>> roundtables to much more ambitious workshops. So we need to think
>> about what we've learned from the four years we've presented as a SIG
>> at GDC. We won't do "accessibility idol" again but I think we
>> *should* do another competition (and we can again -- we got the
>> tentative "thumbs up" to do an hour-long competition, rather than the
>> two hour overkill). I'll write another email about ideas for a
>> competition that removes us from "idol" but helps us better make
>> accessibility into a challenging creative design process rather than
>> this "forced, non-creative" thing that it's rumored to be (and this
>> year I know to jump on the signage and web advert issue immediately).
>>
>>
>> BUT...as a SIG I think we should stick to a fun competition (with the
>> devs that showed interest last year but couldn't do it but can this
>> year), the expo (with the fall back of another "arcade" thing, only
>> not three days worth), a "wacky session" like "innovation," and some
>> sort of longer session (like a tutorial) where we can have "short
>> burst" info about the things that SIG members have been doing -- ie,
>> Eelke might take 20-30 minutes to discuss his stuff, Dimitris taking
>> the same amount of time to overview his latest, Barrie and his stuff,
>> etc, etc, etc. Then if any one person wants to do a longer
>> presentation on their own stuff, they can do so at their own session,
>> promoting it at the SIG workshop. And if it helps, we can present the
>> more solo-acts as SIG-sponsored sessions to make sure it gets on the
>> schedule better -- I know Reid and others have had a really hard time
>> getting onto the schedule as solo acts. But in the end the longer
>> presentations would be the onus of the person who is presenting their
>> work and not something that the entire SIG needs to be there to set
>> up for, etc (that doesn't mean that we all wouldn't try to be there
>> for them!!).
>>
>>
>> We learned in March that 78.4 SIG sessions (ok, 8) isn't the way to
>> go but I also think going back to the single roundtable isn't the
>> answer either. So now we have to find our happy medium that allows us
>> to all ATTEND other sessions and help increase the buzz about all of
>> our sessions, our existance, etc but also maximize our limited
>> (simply by the fact that there are just a few of us that can make it
>> to any one GDC) efforts in the sessions that we do. And we have to
>> find our happy medium so it's not just a couple of us pulling
>> all-nighters the weeks before! So instead of me being in charge of
>> every session for the organization, we can share the wealth a bit by
>> having some on the committee for the competition, others on the
>> tutorial/workshop committee, and so forth. I realize that we aren't a
>> big lot but even NON attendees can help serve on committees to help
>> share ideas!
>>
>>
>> Ok that's the end of this email that had started out short and sweet.
>> :) Sorry -- just feeling the GDC pressure and I realllly want to get
>> as many people involved as possible so we can present a more united
>> effort and help best support one another!!
>>
>>
>> Thoughts? Reactions? And, yes, I'm now very removed from the emotions
>> of GDC 2007. :) But please be thoughtful in your suggestions --
>> underneath that black leather jacket I keep wearing to GDCs (for good
>> luck?), I can get rather down sometimes (yay! depression!) and I'd
>> hate for us to have a flame war. I promise I will count to 10 before
>> hitting the "send" button if I find myself taking things too
>> personally. Ok, deal? :)
>>
>>
>> Michelle
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Eelke Folmer                                          Assistant Professor
>> Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>> University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>> Game Quality
>> usability|accessibility.eelke.com
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>  ________________________________
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri May 25 13:13:39 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:13:39 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
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I think you are referring back to the protest idea -- fliers are 
typical at GDC. BUT...yes...we'd need to really think this through. 
We'd also need to check on where we could hand out those fliers. 
Every city has different laws to prevent litter and ANY fliers are 
apt to be tossed away without looking at it. So we could get in 
trouble there if we didn't do it in accordance with laws about litter.

I'm checking to see what the cost of getting a flier into the GDC 
bags are -- they might be willing to give us a break because we're 
non-profit. But there's no guarantee there. Then again...another 
thing to think about is how many people who have been to GDC have 
tossed most of the stuff that was in those bags without looking at it 
or looking at it in a way that gets whatever info into people's 
brains? I remember the jelly beans in this past year's bag but since 
my suitcases were already WAY over the airline weigh limit...most of 
the rest got tossed and I can't tell you WHO the advertiser that had 
the jelly bean packs was...

Basically the expo booth WILL give us a lot of mileage AND we CAN 
hand out fliers there, bring people there (I can see a few of us 
focusing on get people into the expo booth from the main part of the 
conference), and those of us who would be willing to talk about how a 
particular disability affects us then we can have those people at the 
booth. I agree...I don't like to use people as props. But if the 
person was 100% ok with it because it's an issue that they agree with 
and they understand why we are doing this, then I don't see it as an 
issue. So we might not have a crowd of people...but we would have 
activist gamers and that means more than simply numbers at the end of 
the day.

But this is some good conversation -- let's keep it going!

Michelle

>Don't know that this method wouldn't see us kicked out of GDC for a 
>long while to be honest... I'd have to be pursuaded that this is a 
>good idea in this case.
>
>Barrie
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Reid Kimball" <reid at rbkdesign.com>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 4:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
>
>>I would much prefer to hand out fliers to people without having a loud
>>protest. I don't want to see people used as props. I think people
>>would be annoyed by our presence when they are outside trying to have
>>conversations.
>>
>>On 5/25/07, Barrie Ellis <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>I think this kind of thing can be effective. I know in this country D.A.N.
>>>(The Disability Action Network) handcuffed themselves to buses and the
>>>railings of parliament when they were protesting about the lack of access in
>>>public transport. I would say that transport is now a lot better in this
>>>country - not solely for their protests - but I think they helped sway
>>>oppinion. D.A.N. is very quiet/non-existant these days - but many of the
>>>activists from D.A.N. got absorbed by councils and so on with jobs where
>>>they could make changes from within. It would be great if more disabled
>>>people started to get jobs out of a GDC campaign and could make a difference
>>>in a similar way.
>>>
>>>Barrie
>>>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Eelke Folmer
>>>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>>Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:09 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>I think I pitched this idea sometime ago when we were having this big
>>>conflict ;-) but I'd like to pitch it again because I seriously would like
>>>you guys to consider this.
>>>
>>>
>>>It's pretty obvious after the low turnouts of our events that game
>>>developers are just not interested in what we have to say so why don't we do
>>>something more rebellious and just shove the facts in their face? My idea
>>>for next year's GDC would be to stand right outside the Moscone center
>>>(between the north and west pavilion where at least 5000 game developers
>>>walk by) with a number of disabled people holding signs saying WE WANT
>>>ACCESSIBLE GAMES.  If we really want to get attention I think this is what
>>>we should do. At the same time we can hand out small flyers. Lets make four
>>>different little flyers (so people can collect or trade them ;-) (combine it
>>>with the persona idea)  for each disability one little flyer which obviously
>>>states a) a problem b) a solution(s).  E.g. "tim" is a quadripleghic, sees
>>>gears of war on tv all the time but can't play it because it doesn't support
>>>his quad controller (maybe not use names of existing games not to piss of
>>>epic studios). Solutions :  "allow configurable keys and map actions to
>>>different buttons & use autoaim to minimize the amount of interaction".
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't know if you would be into this, or whether it would be appropriate
>>>but I think its an idea at least worth exploring.
>>>
>>>
>>>Cheers Eelke
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On May 23, 2007, at 1:25 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>The main thing to consider (worry about) is that the fewer sessions we have
>>>(and the expo doesn't count), the fewer passes we get that allow us to get
>>>into the main part of GDC. So we reallllly have to think about the number of
>>>sessions we could realistically do (and perhaps this means that the SIG
>>>sponsors sessions that are meant for, say, "research on accessibility" that
>>>just a few people take and run with). So...I need to be
>>>tricky...er...innovative. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>Michelle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I like something along these lines for a GDC session title,
>>>
>>>
>>>Innovation: True Next Generation Gameplay for Everyone
>>>
>>>
>>>However, it risks sounding like marketing hype and devs see right
>>>through that. Anyway, this could be our "wow that's cool shit" type of
>>>presentation where we talk about the Demor sound based game for the
>>>blind and Brain Fingers and the Haptic device. We try to make this as
>>>flashy and cool as possible, even if tech isn't 100% there or games
>>>widely available. It should be entertaining for people who like to see
>>>what's around the corner and educational in showing people that there
>>>are those with disabilities that can't play their current games.
>>>
>>>
>>>Aside from that, I'd like to try the Expo booth more than a GDC
>>>session. There's only a few ways I can talk about closed captioning
>>>and I think I've tried them all.
>>>
>>>
>>>-Reid
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 5/21/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>Ok...so now's the time to get the write ups going for the proposed
>>>SIG sessions for GDC 2008 (it always takes us a bit to get things
>>>finalized and GDC is even earlier in 2008) and I some ideas that I
>>>want to run past people.
>>>
>>>
>>>We've talked a lot already about applying accessibility to how it
>>>would help people that don't have a disability (like curb cuts that
>>>help bicyclists and parents with baby strollers, etc). What if we had
>>>a session called "Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able Gamers"
>>>with the session planned around taking what we know about
>>>accessibility and targeted the solutions for the "abled" in order to
>>>help them out by taking them out of the lull of "boring, predictable
>>>gaming"? This would be a session for the really "out there" stuff
>>>like biofeedback and games like demor. When I presented at last
>>>year's Montreal Game Summit, I found that it was the "wow" stuff that
>>>got people thinking about the whole issue of accessibility being
>>>"cool" -- it was the carrot that got them to listen to the more basic
>>>design information. After that, people came up to talk to me about
>>>how they never thought about accessibility as NOT limiting game
>>>design.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm not totally sold on the title (I just came up with it now so
>>>catchier titles would be greatly appreciated!) but it would give us a
>>>way to present accessibility information pertaining to disabled
>>>gamers, sell it as something that helps more than just disabled
>>>gamers without straying too far from the fact that we are the game
>>>accessibility SIG.
>>>
>>>
>>>Another thing to think about is not how gamers is with disabilities
>>>are limited but, instead, how maybe the increased skill in another
>>>area makes them even MORE competitive and so "able" gamers should
>>>know about these -- it's a turn around of telling them what they are
>>>doing RIGHT in games by pointing out that they could even the score
>>>with regard to accessibility by keeping these things in their games
>>>(I know...that last one's trickier because it could lead to a
>>>developer thinking that they are unbalanced in their gameplay by
>>>making things easier for one user group...even though they already do
>>>that when they are INaccessible).
>>>
>>>
>>>I've seen how easy some find it to forget the original audience that
>>>a design was aiming for by making changes that end up not serving
>>>that original audience. So that's why I remain resistant to totally
>>>taking the word "accessibility" out -- I'm afraid of NOT reminding
>>>the industry to keep gamers with disabilities in mind because it's so
>>>easy for them to come down with selective amnesia. We've tried a LOT
>>>of tactics over the years -- from serious to humorous, from
>>>roundtables to much more ambitious workshops. So we need to think
>>>about what we've learned from the four years we've presented as a SIG
>>>at GDC. We won't do "accessibility idol" again but I think we
>>>*should* do another competition (and we can again -- we got the
>>>tentative "thumbs up" to do an hour-long competition, rather than the
>>>two hour overkill). I'll write another email about ideas for a
>>>competition that removes us from "idol" but helps us better make
>>>accessibility into a challenging creative design process rather than
>>>this "forced, non-creative" thing that it's rumored to be (and this
>>>year I know to jump on the signage and web advert issue immediately).
>>>
>>>
>>>BUT...as a SIG I think we should stick to a fun competition (with the
>>>devs that showed interest last year but couldn't do it but can this
>>>year), the expo (with the fall back of another "arcade" thing, only
>>>not three days worth), a "wacky session" like "innovation," and some
>>>sort of longer session (like a tutorial) where we can have "short
>>>burst" info about the things that SIG members have been doing -- ie,
>>>Eelke might take 20-30 minutes to discuss his stuff, Dimitris taking
>>>the same amount of time to overview his latest, Barrie and his stuff,
>>>etc, etc, etc. Then if any one person wants to do a longer
>>>presentation on their own stuff, they can do so at their own session,
>>>promoting it at the SIG workshop. And if it helps, we can present the
>>>more solo-acts as SIG-sponsored sessions to make sure it gets on the
>>>schedule better -- I know Reid and others have had a really hard time
>>>getting onto the schedule as solo acts. But in the end the longer
>>>presentations would be the onus of the person who is presenting their
>>>work and not something that the entire SIG needs to be there to set
>>>up for, etc (that doesn't mean that we all wouldn't try to be there
>>>for them!!).
>>>
>>>
>>>We learned in March that 78.4 SIG sessions (ok, 8) isn't the way to
>>>go but I also think going back to the single roundtable isn't the
>>>answer either. So now we have to find our happy medium that allows us
>>>to all ATTEND other sessions and help increase the buzz about all of
>>>our sessions, our existance, etc but also maximize our limited
>>>(simply by the fact that there are just a few of us that can make it
>>>to any one GDC) efforts in the sessions that we do. And we have to
>>>find our happy medium so it's not just a couple of us pulling
>>>all-nighters the weeks before! So instead of me being in charge of
>>>every session for the organization, we can share the wealth a bit by
>>>having some on the committee for the competition, others on the
>>>tutorial/workshop committee, and so forth. I realize that we aren't a
>>>big lot but even NON attendees can help serve on committees to help
>>>share ideas!
>>>
>>>
>>>Ok that's the end of this email that had started out short and sweet.
>>>:) Sorry -- just feeling the GDC pressure and I realllly want to get
>>>as many people involved as possible so we can present a more united
>>>effort and help best support one another!!
>>>
>>>
>>>Thoughts? Reactions? And, yes, I'm now very removed from the emotions
>>>of GDC 2007. :) But please be thoughtful in your suggestions --
>>>underneath that black leather jacket I keep wearing to GDCs (for good
>>>luck?), I can get rather down sometimes (yay! depression!) and I'd
>>>hate for us to have a flame war. I promise I will count to 10 before
>>>hitting the "send" button if I find myself taking things too
>>>personally. Ok, deal? :)
>>>
>>>
>>>Michelle
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>>>Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>>>University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>>>Game Quality
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From lynnvm at carolina.rr.com  Fri May 25 13:25:01 2007
From: lynnvm at carolina.rr.com (Lynn Marentette)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:25:01 -0400
Subject: [games_access] personas and scenarios
In-Reply-To: <mailman.110.1180082675.65200.games_access@igda.org>
References: <mailman.110.1180082675.65200.games_access@igda.org>
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Hi.

I am not sure if I sent my last post directly to Eelke or to the list- sorry
for any duplication.

For those who aren't familiar with personas/scenarios, the Usability.gov
website has some examples. The examples are NOT about people with
disabilities, as far as I know, but they'll give you a good idea how it all
works.  


This will link you to the section about personas:
http://www.usability.gov/templates/index.html#personas

This is a link to all of the site's templates and examples, including
consent forms:

http://www.usability.gov/templates/

There are other good resources out there- I've bookmarked a few on my other
computer.

 Michelle probably is the best source for this!

-Lynn Marentette


TechPsych 
Interactive Multimedia Technology

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:23:13 -0500
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
Subject: [games_access] More persona stuff
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>
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I can also add what I know about scenario-based design -- let's start
working on this on the wiki. I'll carve out a place for us to start writing
up our stories.

I'm leaning toward cartoon images -- like a superhero gamer who is blind but
has amazing hearing, etc. I think that would fit in better with the game
conference. But I'm also struggling with the images of real people -- we'd
need to do some major legal rights stuff to use their images.

Michelle

>Hi Lynn,
>
>That would be great! Even if it was only to give disabilities a more 
>human face. What I'm saying is that game developers probably sympathize 
>more with seeing an actual person with a disability than with something 
>abstract like: " cognitive limitation"
>
>Should we use images of real people (don't want to violate someone's 
>privacy or image rights) or shall we use cartoonlike images?
>
>Cheers Eelke
>
>
>
>
>On 5/24/07, Lynn Marentette <lynnvm at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>>Eelke - and games access members -
>>
>>I been lurking most of the time on this list, because I've been so 
>>busy with work and school.
>>
>>I took a graduate-level Human-Computer Interaction class last semester 
>>and spent some  time developing "personas" for part of a project.
>>
>>I would be happy to work on some personas that would benefit the cause.
>>
>>I'm not sure if you remember me, but I'm a school psychologist who 
>>works with students who have a range of abilities and disabilities. (I 
>>chose the topic of Universal Usability for my class presentation.)
>>
>>Lynn Marentette
>>
>>TechPsych
>>Interactive Multimedia Technology
>>
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>>
>>Today's Topics:
>>
>>    1. persona (Eelke Folmer)
>>    2. Re: Game Accessibility Conference (Eelke Folmer)
>>    3. Re: Game Accessibility Conference (Reid Kimball)
>>    4. Re: E for All (Eelke Folmer)
>>
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 1
>>Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:32:32 -0700
>>From: Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com>
>>Subject: [games_access] persona
>>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>
>>Message-ID: <8432A0B2-A11B-48A4-93D3-B92CDCC5A553 at gmail.com>
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>>Hi,
>>
>>I had an idea that I picked up a while ago while I was at CHI 2006 
>>last year, I found it last week while going through old notes. At
>>Chi2006 there was a talk on microsoft office and one of the 
>>interaction designers showed how microsoft uses  persona' to help design
software. E.g.
>>there would be a grandma called betty (making these names up) who 
>>would use word to write a letter to her son.
>>There would be a 12 year old schoolgirl called emma who would use word 
>>to write a school paper on dinosaurs. There would be a 'dad' who would 
>>use excel to calculate car payments.  etc etc, there were about
>>6 of these personas on big signs with a name, a photo, some of their 
>>hobbies and some sentences indicating how they would use a particular 
>>Microsoft application. (i'm not exactly sure what was on there). They 
>>would hang these persona's as posters in offices in microsoft so the 
>>developers would be aware for who they were designing for. At some 
>>point they would not notice the posters any more but these persona's 
>>were very much embedded in the development of software and were always 
>>references in discussions. E.g. they would consider adding a 
>>complicated feature in excel that could help dad more easy but that 
>>would also make the interface more difficult for tommie, etc etc.
>>
>>I was wondering whether we could do the same for disabilities? If we 
>>can actually provide developers 4-6 persona (covering most
>>disabilities) I think it would be an helpful tool which can facilitate 
>>discussion and will also allow more clearly to focus the development 
>>of a game to include disabilities.
>>
>>I was thinking of doing it for my collection of patterns already 
>>because i think its just more personable to develop for "blind bettie" 
>>and show a picture of a girl that is actually blind than just use "visual
impairments".
>>
>>Any ideas/thoughts on this?
>>
>>cheers Eelke
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>--
>>----
>>Eelke Folmer                                          Assistant
>>Professor
>>Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>>University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>>Game Quality                   usability|accessibility.eelke.com
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>>Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:33:26 -0700
>>From: Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
>>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>
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>>Hi,
>>
>>The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great but 
>>I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience for
it.
>>What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game developers 
>>of the importance of making games accessible? or or do we target our 
>>fellow researchers and discuss & explore new ways of making games more 
>>accessible and putting accessibility on the roadmap of developers?
>>
>>I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>>
>>cheers Eelke
>>
>>
>>
>>On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>
>>>  So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start 
>>> discussing  it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts 
>>> in creating a  one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this 
>>> could be something  attached to another conference (like GDC) or on it's
own as a "summit"
>>>  at a time where we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>>>
>>>  This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online 
>>> meetings  this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how 
>>> wide we  cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from 
>>> every major  game company we can to attend), do we want it to be 
>>> small the first  year and then cast the net wider the next year?
>>>
>>>  What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that 
>>> does  conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want 
>>> and they  deal with the registration, hotel block reservations, 
>>> venue, some  advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool
opportunity!
>>>
>>>  Michelle
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>  games_access mailing list
>>>  games_access at igda.org
>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>--
>>----
>>Eelke Folmer                                          Assistant
>>Professor
>>Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>>University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>>Game Quality                   usability|accessibility.eelke.com
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>>Message: 3
>>Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:59:21 -0700
>>From: "Reid Kimball" <reid at rbkdesign.com>
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>>         <games_access at igda.org>
>>Message-ID:
>>         <a6673b8d0705231459q7dd47421l99ec7a81d655d53d at mail.gmail.com>
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>>"I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience 
>>for it" I think the first GDC had 7 attendees. We shouldn't put 
>>unrealistic pressure on ourselves with our first conference to bring 
>>in huge numbers or big names. The other questions you ask are right.
>>If it's a conference, I'd want to see some sessions geared towards the 
>>academic/research crowd talking about ways to improve accessibility 
>>and others geared to developers talking about the practical 
>>implementations that work now.
>>
>>On 5/23/07, Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi,
>>>
>>>  The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great 
>>> but  I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an 
>>> audience for
>>it.
>>>  What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game 
>>> developers  of the importance of making games accessible? or or do 
>>> we target our  fellow researchers and discuss & explore new ways of 
>>> making games more  accessible and putting accessibility on the roadmap
of developers?
>>>
>>>  I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>>>
>>>  cheers Eelke
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>
>>>  So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start 
>>> discussing  it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts 
>>> in creating a  one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this 
>>> could be something  attached to another conference (like GDC) or on it's
own as a "summit"
>>>  at a time where we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>>>
>>>  This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online 
>>> meetings  this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how 
>>> wide we  cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from 
>>> every major  game company we can to attend), do we want it to be 
>>> small the first  year and then cast the net wider the next year?
>>>
>>>  What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that 
>>> does  conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want 
>>> and they  deal with the registration, hotel block reservations, 
>>> venue, some  advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool
opportunity!
>>>
>>>  Michelle
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>  games_access mailing list
>>>  games_access at igda.org
>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>------
>>>  Eelke Folmer                                          Assistant
Professor
>>>  Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>>>  University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>>>  Game Quality
>>>  usability|accessibility.eelke.com
>>>  
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>Message: 4
>>Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:12:29 -0700
>>From: "Eelke Folmer" <eelke.folmer at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [games_access] E for All
>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>>         <games_access at igda.org>
>>Message-ID:
>>         <836db6300705231612g9790ae9v8ef057e9d031f55f at mail.gmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have the funds to go. I could go but I'll probably be busy with
teaching.
>>By the way, i have all the accessibility equipment (e.g. quad 
>>controller, one handed joysticks & stuff, still need to order some one
>>button) so we don't have to ship it from the UK.
>>
>>cheers eelke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 5/22/07, Reid Kimball <reid at rbkdesign.com> wrote:
>>>  There's a possibility I could attend as it's on the west coast.
>>>  There's another conference I'll probably attend in Oct, will send 
>>> an
>>  > email about it soon.
>>>
>>>  -Reid
>>>
>>>  On 5/22/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>>  > Yes, couple that with a booth at GDC...for the first time we'll 
>>> have  > the chance to really get the word on the street! Or at least 
>>> the  > 'net. :)  >  > >wow! that will be THE Arcade! Excellent 
>>> /Thomas  > >  > >  > >22 maj 2007 kl. 21.04 skrev d. michelle hinn:
>>>  > >
>>>  > >>but free of charge booth. Ac
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >
>>>  > >__________________________________
>>>  > >Thomas Westin
>>>  > >VD / CEO
>>>  > >
>>>  > >Pin Interactive AB
>>>  > >:: Digital Culture Analysis :: Tools :: Worlds  > 
>>> >__________________________________
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>>Department of CS&E/171
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:44:31 +0100
From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
	<games_access at igda.org>
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I think this kind of thing can be effective. I know in this country D.A.N.
(The Disability Action Network) handcuffed themselves to buses and the
railings of parliament when they were protesting about the lack of access in
public transport. I would say that transport is now a lot better in this
country - not solely for their protests - but I think they helped sway
oppinion. D.A.N. is very quiet/non-existant these days - but many of the
activists from D.A.N. got absorbed by councils and so on with jobs where
they could make changes from within. It would be great if more disabled
people started to get jobs out of a GDC campaign and could make a difference
in a similar way.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Eelke Folmer
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
  Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008


  Hi all,


  I think I pitched this idea sometime ago when we were having this big
conflict ;-) but I'd like to pitch it again because I seriously would like
you guys to consider this. 


  It's pretty obvious after the low turnouts of our events that game
developers are just not interested in what we have to say so why don't we do
something more rebellious and just shove the facts in their face? My idea
for next year's GDC would be to stand right outside the Moscone center
(between the north and west pavilion where at least 5000 game developers
walk by) with a number of disabled people holding signs saying WE WANT
ACCESSIBLE GAMES.  If we really want to get attention I think this is what
we should do. At the same time we can hand out small flyers. Lets make four
different little flyers (so people can collect or trade them ;-) (combine it
with the persona idea)  for each disability one little flyer which obviously
states a) a problem b) a solution(s).  E.g. "tim" is a quadripleghic, sees
gears of war on tv all the time but can't play it because it doesn't support
his quad controller (maybe not use names of existing games not to piss of
epic studios). Solutions
  :  "allow configurable keys and map actions to different buttons & use
autoaim to minimize the amount of interaction".


  I don't know if you would be into this, or whether it would be appropriate
but I think its an idea at least worth exploring. 


  Cheers Eelke








  On May 23, 2007, at 1:25 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:


    The main thing to consider (worry about) is that the fewer sessions we
have (and the expo doesn't count), the fewer passes we get that allow us to
get into the main part of GDC. So we reallllly have to think about the
number of sessions we could realistically do (and perhaps this means that
the SIG sponsors sessions that are meant for, say, "research on
accessibility" that just a few people take and run with). So...I need to be
tricky...er...innovative. ;)


    Michelle


      I like something along these lines for a GDC session title,


      Innovation: True Next Generation Gameplay for Everyone


      However, it risks sounding like marketing hype and devs see right
      through that. Anyway, this could be our "wow that's cool shit" type of
      presentation where we talk about the Demor sound based game for the
      blind and Brain Fingers and the Haptic device. We try to make this as
      flashy and cool as possible, even if tech isn't 100% there or games
      widely available. It should be entertaining for people who like to see
      what's around the corner and educational in showing people that there
      are those with disabilities that can't play their current games.


      Aside from that, I'd like to try the Expo booth more than a GDC
      session. There's only a few ways I can talk about closed captioning
      and I think I've tried them all.


      -Reid






      On 5/21/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
        Ok...so now's the time to get the write ups going for the proposed
        SIG sessions for GDC 2008 (it always takes us a bit to get things
        finalized and GDC is even earlier in 2008) and I some ideas that I
        want to run past people.


        We've talked a lot already about applying accessibility to how it
        would help people that don't have a disability (like curb cuts that
        help bicyclists and parents with baby strollers, etc). What if we
had
        a session called "Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able Gamers"
        with the session planned around taking what we know about
        accessibility and targeted the solutions for the "abled" in order to
        help them out by taking them out of the lull of "boring, predictable
        gaming"? This would be a session for the really "out there" stuff
        like biofeedback and games like demor. When I presented at last
        year's Montreal Game Summit, I found that it was the "wow" stuff
that
        got people thinking about the whole issue of accessibility being
        "cool" -- it was the carrot that got them to listen to the more
basic
        design information. After that, people came up to talk to me about
        how they never thought about accessibility as NOT limiting game
        design.


        I'm not totally sold on the title (I just came up with it now so
        catchier titles would be greatly appreciated!) but it would give us
a
        way to present accessibility information pertaining to disabled
        gamers, sell it as something that helps more than just disabled
        gamers without straying too far from the fact that we are the game
        accessibility SIG.


        Another thing to think about is not how gamers is with disabilities
        are limited but, instead, how maybe the increased skill in another
        area makes them even MORE competitive and so "able" gamers should
        know about these -- it's a turn around of telling them what they are
        doing RIGHT in games by pointing out that they could even the score
        with regard to accessibility by keeping these things in their games
        (I know...that last one's trickier because it could lead to a
        developer thinking that they are unbalanced in their gameplay by
        making things easier for one user group...even though they already
do
        that when they are INaccessible).


        I've seen how easy some find it to forget the original audience that
        a design was aiming for by making changes that end up not serving
        that original audience. So that's why I remain resistant to totally
        taking the word "accessibility" out -- I'm afraid of NOT reminding
        the industry to keep gamers with disabilities in mind because it's
so
        easy for them to come down with selective amnesia. We've tried a LOT
        of tactics over the years -- from serious to humorous, from
        roundtables to much more ambitious workshops. So we need to think
        about what we've learned from the four years we've presented as a
SIG
        at GDC. We won't do "accessibility idol" again but I think we
        *should* do another competition (and we can again -- we got the
        tentative "thumbs up" to do an hour-long competition, rather than
the
        two hour overkill). I'll write another email about ideas for a
        competition that removes us from "idol" but helps us better make
        accessibility into a challenging creative design process rather than
        this "forced, non-creative" thing that it's rumored to be (and this
        year I know to jump on the signage and web advert issue
immediately).


        BUT...as a SIG I think we should stick to a fun competition (with
the
        devs that showed interest last year but couldn't do it but can this
        year), the expo (with the fall back of another "arcade" thing, only
        not three days worth), a "wacky session" like "innovation," and some
        sort of longer session (like a tutorial) where we can have "short
        burst" info about the things that SIG members have been doing -- ie,
        Eelke might take 20-30 minutes to discuss his stuff, Dimitris taking
        the same amount of time to overview his latest, Barrie and his
stuff,
        etc, etc, etc. Then if any one person wants to do a longer
        presentation on their own stuff, they can do so at their own
session,
        promoting it at the SIG workshop. And if it helps, we can present
the
        more solo-acts as SIG-sponsored sessions to make sure it gets on the
        schedule better -- I know Reid and others have had a really hard
time
        getting onto the schedule as solo acts. But in the end the longer
        presentations would be the onus of the person who is presenting
their
        work and not something that the entire SIG needs to be there to set
        up for, etc (that doesn't mean that we all wouldn't try to be there
        for them!!).


        We learned in March that 78.4 SIG sessions (ok, 8) isn't the way to
        go but I also think going back to the single roundtable isn't the
        answer either. So now we have to find our happy medium that allows
us
        to all ATTEND other sessions and help increase the buzz about all of
        our sessions, our existance, etc but also maximize our limited
        (simply by the fact that there are just a few of us that can make it
        to any one GDC) efforts in the sessions that we do. And we have to
        find our happy medium so it's not just a couple of us pulling
        all-nighters the weeks before! So instead of me being in charge of
        every session for the organization, we can share the wealth a bit by
        having some on the committee for the competition, others on the
        tutorial/workshop committee, and so forth. I realize that we aren't
a
        big lot but even NON attendees can help serve on committees to help
        share ideas!


        Ok that's the end of this email that had started out short and
sweet.
        :) Sorry -- just feeling the GDC pressure and I realllly want to get
        as many people involved as possible so we can present a more united
        effort and help best support one another!!


        Thoughts? Reactions? And, yes, I'm now very removed from the
emotions
        of GDC 2007. :) But please be thoughtful in your suggestions --
        underneath that black leather jacket I keep wearing to GDCs (for
good
        luck?), I can get rather down sometimes (yay! depression!) and I'd
        hate for us to have a flame war. I promise I will count to 10 before
        hitting the "send" button if I find myself taking things too
        personally. Ok, deal? :)


        Michelle
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri May 25 13:25:50 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:25:50 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Personas, etc. but what is really needed...
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Thanks for your great advise, Ben, as usual!

Just a quick reply to say that there are a few of us working on these 
developer tools but it's too early to say too much now because 
funding details are still being worked out. I agree -- at the end of 
the day, having proof of concept and tools that can be used are key. 
That much I've found out from this month posting on Terra Nova -- no 
one wants to take our ideas and integrate them in -- they want us to 
do it for them. Unfortunately..."us" is a very small overworked group.

Now...what is really needed is more programmers here...we need the 
"pre-interns" here to help work on their resumes...because we have a 
LOT of projects they could work on. :)

Michelle

>The personas idea sounds pretty cool and I agree it would help.
>
>One of the things that I think would get developers moving a bit 
>more and really possibly improve progress and pressure on developers 
>is if there was a universal SDK and set of standard libraries that 
>could be linked in to any game where the result of XX programmer 
>weeks would result in a game that has far more accessibility. 
>Perhaps everything can't be solved this way but until there is a 
>standardized SDK to some extent you won't get as far.
>
>Once there is an open source standard SDK that is updated and worked 
>on (hopefully with aide by professional developers and perhaps with 
>funding too) and perhaps aided by university research in an 
>organized fashion then it becomes a matter of brow beating 
>publishers to do the work to integrate it just like every other SDK 
>past/present/future works.  It becomes a semi-singular response - 
>this games supports the SDK this game does not.
>
>Also it would seem if you could create standard icons for 
>accessibility like we see from GameSpy, ESRB, PC-CDROM, EAX, XBOX 
>LIVE!, etc. that showcases in a second such compatibility that would 
>help as well.   Perhaps a standard logo that would provide some 
>quick response to users about its compatibility with the SDK or 
>various specific standardize accessibility issues.  What you might 
>not know e.g. is that the EMA (entertainment merchants association) 
>controls the standard PC-CDROM logo and that they license its use to 
>the publishers in return I think for nominal fees or at the least I 
>think it was 3 copies each of all games (which they then donate).
>
>If you followed this idea in the long-term what you could do is A) 
>develop/galavenize the development of the SDK(s)/Librarie(s) and 
>then a standard logo of compliance with the SDK.  No publisher could 
>use the logo without making a per-sku (not title) payment to the 
>non-profit that controlled the trademark (you could even write it 
>into the EULA of the open-source license probably) and the cost 
>would be low like $50-$100 per sku.  EA put out probably 500-1000 
>worldwide skus last year across all formats.
>
>If you want to make progress in games you need to do it in software.  
>It's like getting press - the easier you make the other persons job 
>the more attention you will get.  You need to create an ecosystem of 
>code not just an ecosystem of pressure because at the end of the day 
>linking in an API is a process most publishers and development 
>studios can deal with but writing new code from scratch doesn't 
>work.  Going to several different sites to cobble together existing 
>code doesn't work.  Etc.
>
>If you had a one-stop code repository and GOOD docs then what 
>happens if the accompanying pressure/customer service comes into 
>play is you will probably see 3-4 things happen:
>
>1. You will be able to boil down average strong compliance to an 
>average cost per title to link in the SDK as opposed to an amorphous 
>cost it would be fairly standard and trackable.  When you have that 
>you can create awareness that EA and others are ignoring a trivial 
>cost and QA process.
>
>2. You will be able to argue that the console companies could 
>integrate the SDK into their own libraries and middleware and (cross 
>fingers) their QA process.
>
>3. You will see studios/publishers assign junior / intern 
>programmers to the SDK as a project.  With an API, docs, standard 
>process it's a great "here kid do this!" project.  There is little 
>supervision and worry about virgin code.  As a manager you have to 
>hope a new programmer is at least good enough to integrate in a 
>standard API or they're worthless.
>
>4. You will see programmers inside companies who are trying to win 
>the right to integrate these features do so more frequently because 
>it will be a standardized process.  The industry is beginning to 
>standardize development practices more and with an SDK you can get 
>into that pipeline better.
>
>5. You will see more industry support for the SDK itself and in 
>general I think far better compliance.
>
>I'm not the expert - perhaps such code exists but I googled for it 
>and didn't see anything right away.  It would seem you could 
>standardize some libraries for color blindness, one switch 
>controller, head mounted mice, closed captioning, etc.  If you at 
>least outlined what an spec for it would be then a place like 
>Carnegie Melon, USC, and other universities could be asked to assign 
>students to develop the initial codebase.
>
>If you want a campaign to work write code.  That is the single 
>biggest impediment.  With it then the excuses or non-attention by 
>developers will be much harder for them to pull.  If you're going to 
>apply a hammer you need the anvil.
>
>- Ben
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri May 25 14:48:30 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:48:30 -0500
Subject: [games_access] personas and scenarios
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  Thanks for the links, Lynn!

BTW, for scenario-based design, here are some links:

John Carroll: 
http://ist.psu.edu/ist/directory/faculty/?EmployeeID=234 (my old 
teacher when I was getting my masters at Virginia Tech -- yes, we are 
known for more than just the recent tragedy...I'm still broken up 
about that. Hard not to be -- I wish that there was more aggressive 
funding to help treat people who are clearly hurting and ready to 
strike out in awful ways...)

Mary Beth Rosson: http://ist.psu.edu/ist/directory/faculty/?EmployeeID=235

Both have written and co-written many a textbook and articles on this 
-- I had a paper published years ago (not online that I can find 
right off) with Carroll and others in a research group I worked on 
that was on personas and scenarios for what users of a specific 
website would be looking for and whether or not they would likely 
visit just one time to get the info they need or be active returners 
to that website looking for updates.

The lab that Carroll and Rosson work in and lead is at 
http://hci.psu.edu/public/hci/Home

One of my best friends worked there as a post doc and is still 
involved in her new position with World Campus:
http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/c/b/cbm12/

So I'm going to write them and see if we can't get them involved and 
the persona/scenario idea as they have a LOT of funding that could 
really help us all make this work. Thanks Eelke for bringing this up 
and Lynn for her additional ideas -- It's funny how convergence 
happens! I hadn't really thought much about how my past can help 
here. The poet T.S. Eliot  said in his "Four Quartets" that (and I 
might not be quoting this exactly): we return to the place where we 
started and know it for the first time.

OK, OK...now I'm getting way too geeky. :D

Michelle

>Hi.
>
>I am not sure if I sent my last post directly to Eelke or to the list- sorry
>for any duplication.
>
>For those who aren't familiar with personas/scenarios, the Usability.gov
>website has some examples. The examples are NOT about people with
>disabilities, as far as I know, but they'll give you a good idea how it all
>works. 
>
>
>This will link you to the section about personas:
>http://www.usability.gov/templates/index.html#personas
>
>This is a link to all of the site's templates and examples, including
>consent forms:
>
>http://www.usability.gov/templates/
>
>There are other good resources out there- I've bookmarked a few on my other
>computer.
>
>  Michelle probably is the best source for this!
>
>-Lynn Marentette
>
>
>TechPsych
>Interactive Multimedia Technology
>
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>I can also add what I know about scenario-based design -- let's start
>working on this on the wiki. I'll carve out a place for us to start writing
>up our stories.
>
>I'm leaning toward cartoon images -- like a superhero gamer who is blind but
>has amazing hearing, etc. I think that would fit in better with the game
>conference. But I'm also struggling with the images of real people -- we'd
>need to do some major legal rights stuff to use their images.
>
>Michelle
>
>>Hi Lynn,
>>
>>That would be great! Even if it was only to give disabilities a more
>>human face. What I'm saying is that game developers probably sympathize
>>more with seeing an actual person with a disability than with something
>>abstract like: " cognitive limitation"
>>
>>Should we use images of real people (don't want to violate someone's
>>privacy or image rights) or shall we use cartoonlike images?
>>
>>Cheers Eelke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 5/24/07, Lynn Marentette <lynnvm at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>>>Eelke - and games access members -
>>>
>>>I been lurking most of the time on this list, because I've been so
>>>busy with work and school.
>>>
>>>I took a graduate-level Human-Computer Interaction class last semester
>>>and spent some  time developing "personas" for part of a project.
>>>
>>>I would be happy to work on some personas that would benefit the cause.
>>>
>>>I'm not sure if you remember me, but I'm a school psychologist who
>>>works with students who have a range of abilities and disabilities. (I
>>>chose the topic of Universal Usability for my class presentation.)
>>>
>>>Lynn Marentette
>>>
>>>TechPsych
>>>Interactive Multimedia Technology
>>>
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>>>
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>>>     2. Re: Game Accessibility Conference (Eelke Folmer)
>>>     3. Re: Game Accessibility Conference (Reid Kimball)
>>>     4. Re: E for All (Eelke Folmer)
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>Message: 1
>>>Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:32:32 -0700
>>>From: Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: [games_access] persona
>>>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>
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>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I had an idea that I picked up a while ago while I was at CHI 2006
>>>last year, I found it last week while going through old notes. At
>>>Chi2006 there was a talk on microsoft office and one of the
>>>interaction designers showed how microsoft uses  persona' to help design
>software. E.g.
>>>there would be a grandma called betty (making these names up) who
>>>would use word to write a letter to her son.
>>>There would be a 12 year old schoolgirl called emma who would use word
>>>to write a school paper on dinosaurs. There would be a 'dad' who would
>>>use excel to calculate car payments.  etc etc, there were about
>>>6 of these personas on big signs with a name, a photo, some of their
>>>hobbies and some sentences indicating how they would use a particular
>>>Microsoft application. (i'm not exactly sure what was on there). They
>>>would hang these persona's as posters in offices in microsoft so the
>>>developers would be aware for who they were designing for. At some
>>>point they would not notice the posters any more but these persona's
>>>were very much embedded in the development of software and were always
>>>references in discussions. E.g. they would consider adding a
>>>complicated feature in excel that could help dad more easy but that
>  >>would also make the interface more difficult for tommie, etc etc.
>>>
>>>I was wondering whether we could do the same for disabilities? If we
>>>can actually provide developers 4-6 persona (covering most
>>>disabilities) I think it would be an helpful tool which can facilitate
>>>discussion and will also allow more clearly to focus the development
>>>of a game to include disabilities.
>>>
>>>I was thinking of doing it for my collection of patterns already
>>>because i think its just more personable to develop for "blind bettie"
>>>and show a picture of a girl that is actually blind than just use "visual
>impairments".
>>>
>>>Any ideas/thoughts on this?
>>>
>>>cheers Eelke
>>>
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>>>Professor
>>>Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>>>University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
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>>>From: Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
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>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great but
>>>I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience for
>it.
>>>What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game developers
>>>of the importance of making games accessible? or or do we target our
>>>fellow researchers and discuss & explore new ways of making games more
>>>accessible and putting accessibility on the roadmap of developers?
>>>
>>>I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>>>
>>>cheers Eelke
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>>
>>>>   Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>   So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start
>>>>  discussing  it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts
>>>>  in creating a  one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this
>>>>  could be something  attached to another conference (like GDC) or on it's
>own as a "summit"
>>>>   at a time where we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>>>>
>>>>   This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online
>>>>  meetings  this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how
>>>>  wide we  cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from
>>>>  every major  game company we can to attend), do we want it to be
>>>>  small the first  year and then cast the net wider the next year?
>>>>
>>>>   What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that
>>>>  does  conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want
>>>>  and they  deal with the registration, hotel block reservations,
>>>>  venue, some  advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool
>opportunity!
>>>>
>>>>   Michelle
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>>>Professor
>>>Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>>>University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>>>Game Quality                   usability|accessibility.eelke.com
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>>>Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:59:21 -0700
>>>From: "Reid Kimball" <reid at rbkdesign.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Conference
>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>>>          <games_access at igda.org>
>>>Message-ID:
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>>>"I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an audience
>>>for it" I think the first GDC had 7 attendees. We shouldn't put
>>>unrealistic pressure on ourselves with our first conference to bring
>>>in huge numbers or big names. The other questions you ask are right.
>>>If it's a conference, I'd want to see some sessions geared towards the
>>>academic/research crowd talking about ways to improve accessibility
>>>and others geared to developers talking about the practical
>>>implementations that work now.
>>>
>>>On 5/23/07, Eelke Folmer <eelke.folmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Hi,
>>>>
>>>>   The idea of a conference focusing on game accessibility is great
>>>>  but  I'm kind of concerned whether we will be able to attract an
>>>>  audience for
>>>it.
>>>>   What is the goal? 'spreading the word' e.g. convincing game
>>>>  developers  of the importance of making games accessible? or or do
>>>>  we target our  fellow researchers and discuss & explore new ways of
>>>>  making games more  accessible and putting accessibility on the roadmap
>of developers?
>>>>
>>>>   I think it is important to distinguish between these goals.
>>>>
>>>>   cheers Eelke
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   On May 20, 2007, at 12:01 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>   So I've mentioned this before but we should probably start
>>>>  discussing  it for real. The IGDA would like to support our efforts
>>>>  in creating a  one-day conference on Game Accessibility. Now this
>>>>  could be something  attached to another conference (like GDC) or on it's
>own as a "summit"
>>>>   at a time where we aren't so frazzled from GDC.
>>>>
>>>>   This is one of the things I'll be bringing up at the online
>>>>  meetings  this week so I'd appreciate ideas for location, dates, how
>>>>  wide we  cast the net (ie, do we personally court a person from
>>>>  every major  game company we can to attend), do we want it to be
>>>>  small the first  year and then cast the net wider the next year?
>>>>
>>>>   What are your thoughts? Basically the IGDA now has a group that
>>>>  does  conference/summit set ups for us so we tell them what we want
>>>>  and they  deal with the registration, hotel block reservations,
>>>>  venue, some  advertising, etc. So that's what make it's a very cool
>opportunity!
>>>>
>>>>   Michelle
>>>>   _______________________________________________
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>>>>   games_access at igda.org
>>>>   http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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>>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>   Eelke Folmer                                          Assistant
>Professor
>>>>   Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>>>>   University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>>>>   Game Quality
>>>>   usability|accessibility.eelke.com
>>>> 
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>>>
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>>>Message: 4
>>>Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:12:29 -0700
>>>From: "Eelke Folmer" <eelke.folmer at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] E for All
>>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>>>          <games_access at igda.org>
>>>Message-ID:
>>>          <836db6300705231612g9790ae9v8ef057e9d031f55f at mail.gmail.com>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I have the funds to go. I could go but I'll probably be busy with
>teaching.
>>>By the way, i have all the accessibility equipment (e.g. quad
>  >>controller, one handed joysticks & stuff, still need to order some one
>>>button) so we don't have to ship it from the UK.
>>>
>>>cheers eelke
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 5/22/07, Reid Kimball <reid at rbkdesign.com> wrote:
>>>>   There's a possibility I could attend as it's on the west coast.
>>>>   There's another conference I'll probably attend in Oct, will send
>>>>  an
>>>   > email about it soon.
>>>>
>>>>   -Reid
>>>>
>>>>   On 5/22/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>>>   > Yes, couple that with a booth at GDC...for the first time we'll
>>>>  have  > the chance to really get the word on the street! Or at least
>>>>  the  > 'net. :)  >  > >wow! that will be THE Arcade! Excellent
>>>>  /Thomas  > >  > >  > >22 maj 2007 kl. 21.04 skrev d. michelle hinn:
>>>>   > >
>>>>   > >>but free of charge booth. Ac
>>>>   > >>
>>>>   > >
>>>>   > >__________________________________
>>>>   > >Thomas Westin
>>>>   > >VD / CEO
>>>>   > >
>>>>   > >Pin Interactive AB
>>>>   > >:: Digital Culture Analysis :: Tools :: Worlds  >
>>>>  >__________________________________
>>>>   > >Award Winning Developer
>>>>   > >www.pininteractive.com
>>>>   > >
>>>>   > >
>>>>   > >
>>>>   > >_______________________________________________
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>>>>   > >games_access at igda.org
>>>>   > >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>   >
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>>>
>>>
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>--
>>>Eelke Folmer                           Assistant Professor
>>>Department of CS&E/171
>>>University of Nevada              Reno, Nevada 89557
>>>Game interaction design        www.helpyouplay.com
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>-
>>Eelke Folmer                           Assistant Professor
>>Department of CS&E/171
>>University of Nevada              Reno, Nevada 89557
>>Game interaction design        www.helpyouplay.com
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>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:44:31 +0100
>From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>	<games_access at igda.org>
>Message-ID: <03d301c79ea8$ed0c0230$0302a8c0 at OneSwitch>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>I think this kind of thing can be effective. I know in this country D.A.N.
>(The Disability Action Network) handcuffed themselves to buses and the
>railings of parliament when they were protesting about the lack of access in
>public transport. I would say that transport is now a lot better in this
>country - not solely for their protests - but I think they helped sway
>oppinion. D.A.N. is very quiet/non-existant these days - but many of the
>activists from D.A.N. got absorbed by councils and so on with jobs where
>they could make changes from within. It would be great if more disabled
>people started to get jobs out of a GDC campaign and could make a difference
>in a similar way.
>
>Barrie
>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Eelke Folmer
>   To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>   Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:09 AM
>   Subject: Re: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
>
>
>   Hi all,
>
>
>   I think I pitched this idea sometime ago when we were having this big
>conflict ;-) but I'd like to pitch it again because I seriously would like
>you guys to consider this.
>
>
>   It's pretty obvious after the low turnouts of our events that game
>developers are just not interested in what we have to say so why don't we do
>something more rebellious and just shove the facts in their face? My idea
>for next year's GDC would be to stand right outside the Moscone center
>(between the north and west pavilion where at least 5000 game developers
>walk by) with a number of disabled people holding signs saying WE WANT
>ACCESSIBLE GAMES.  If we really want to get attention I think this is what
>we should do. At the same time we can hand out small flyers. Lets make four
>different little flyers (so people can collect or trade them ;-) (combine it
>with the persona idea)  for each disability one little flyer which obviously
>states a) a problem b) a solution(s).  E.g. "tim" is a quadripleghic, sees
>gears of war on tv all the time but can't play it because it doesn't support
>his quad controller (maybe not use names of existing games not to piss of
>epic studios). Solutions
>   :  "allow configurable keys and map actions to different buttons & use
>autoaim to minimize the amount of interaction".
>
>
>   I don't know if you would be into this, or whether it would be appropriate
>but I think its an idea at least worth exploring.
>
>
>   Cheers Eelke
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   On May 23, 2007, at 1:25 PM, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>
>
>     The main thing to consider (worry about) is that the fewer sessions we
>have (and the expo doesn't count), the fewer passes we get that allow us to
>get into the main part of GDC. So we reallllly have to think about the
>number of sessions we could realistically do (and perhaps this means that
>the SIG sponsors sessions that are meant for, say, "research on
>accessibility" that just a few people take and run with). So...I need to be
>tricky...er...innovative. ;)
>
>
>     Michelle
>
>
>       I like something along these lines for a GDC session title,
>
>
>       Innovation: True Next Generation Gameplay for Everyone
>
>
>       However, it risks sounding like marketing hype and devs see right
>       through that. Anyway, this could be our "wow that's cool shit" type of
>       presentation where we talk about the Demor sound based game for the
>       blind and Brain Fingers and the Haptic device. We try to make this as
>       flashy and cool as possible, even if tech isn't 100% there or games
>       widely available. It should be entertaining for people who like to see
>       what's around the corner and educational in showing people that there
>       are those with disabilities that can't play their current games.
>
>
>       Aside from that, I'd like to try the Expo booth more than a GDC
>       session. There's only a few ways I can talk about closed captioning
>       and I think I've tried them all.
>
>
>       -Reid
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       On 5/21/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>         Ok...so now's the time to get the write ups going for the proposed
>         SIG sessions for GDC 2008 (it always takes us a bit to get things
>         finalized and GDC is even earlier in 2008) and I some ideas that I
>         want to run past people.
>
>
>         We've talked a lot already about applying accessibility to how it
>         would help people that don't have a disability (like curb cuts that
>         help bicyclists and parents with baby strollers, etc). What if we
>had
>         a session called "Innovation: Game Accessibility for Able Gamers"
>         with the session planned around taking what we know about
>         accessibility and targeted the solutions for the "abled" in order to
>         help them out by taking them out of the lull of "boring, predictable
>         gaming"? This would be a session for the really "out there" stuff
>         like biofeedback and games like demor. When I presented at last
>         year's Montreal Game Summit, I found that it was the "wow" stuff
>that
>         got people thinking about the whole issue of accessibility being
>         "cool" -- it was the carrot that got them to listen to the more
>basic
>         design information. After that, people came up to talk to me about
>         how they never thought about accessibility as NOT limiting game
>         design.
>
>
>         I'm not totally sold on the title (I just came up with it now so
>         catchier titles would be greatly appreciated!) but it would give us
>a
>         way to present accessibility information pertaining to disabled
>         gamers, sell it as something that helps more than just disabled
>         gamers without straying too far from the fact that we are the game
>         accessibility SIG.
>
>
>         Another thing to think about is not how gamers is with disabilities
>         are limited but, instead, how maybe the increased skill in another
>         area makes them even MORE competitive and so "able" gamers should
>         know about these -- it's a turn around of telling them what they are
>         doing RIGHT in games by pointing out that they could even the score
>         with regard to accessibility by keeping these things in their games
>         (I know...that last one's trickier because it could lead to a
>         developer thinking that they are unbalanced in their gameplay by
>         making things easier for one user group...even though they already
>do
>         that when they are INaccessible).
>
>
>         I've seen how easy some find it to forget the original audience that
>         a design was aiming for by making changes that end up not serving
>         that original audience. So that's why I remain resistant to totally
>         taking the word "accessibility" out -- I'm afraid of NOT reminding
>         the industry to keep gamers with disabilities in mind because it's
>so
>         easy for them to come down with selective amnesia. We've tried a LOT
>         of tactics over the years -- from serious to humorous, from
>         roundtables to much more ambitious workshops. So we need to think
>         about what we've learned from the four years we've presented as a
>SIG
>         at GDC. We won't do "accessibility idol" again but I think we
>         *should* do another competition (and we can again -- we got the
>         tentative "thumbs up" to do an hour-long competition, rather than
>the
>         two hour overkill). I'll write another email about ideas for a
>         competition that removes us from "idol" but helps us better make
>         accessibility into a challenging creative design process rather than
>         this "forced, non-creative" thing that it's rumored to be (and this
>         year I know to jump on the signage and web advert issue
>immediately).
>
>
>         BUT...as a SIG I think we should stick to a fun competition (with
>the
>         devs that showed interest last year but couldn't do it but can this
>         year), the expo (with the fall back of another "arcade" thing, only
>         not three days worth), a "wacky session" like "innovation," and some
>         sort of longer session (like a tutorial) where we can have "short
>         burst" info about the things that SIG members have been doing -- ie,
>         Eelke might take 20-30 minutes to discuss his stuff, Dimitris taking
>         the same amount of time to overview his latest, Barrie and his
>stuff,
>         etc, etc, etc. Then if any one person wants to do a longer
>         presentation on their own stuff, they can do so at their own
>session,
>         promoting it at the SIG workshop. And if it helps, we can present
>the
>         more solo-acts as SIG-sponsored sessions to make sure it gets on the
>         schedule better -- I know Reid and others have had a really hard
>time
>         getting onto the schedule as solo acts. But in the end the longer
>         presentations would be the onus of the person who is presenting
>their
>         work and not something that the entire SIG needs to be there to set
>         up for, etc (that doesn't mean that we all wouldn't try to be there
>         for them!!).
>
>
>         We learned in March that 78.4 SIG sessions (ok, 8) isn't the way to
>         go but I also think going back to the single roundtable isn't the
>         answer either. So now we have to find our happy medium that allows
>us
>         to all ATTEND other sessions and help increase the buzz about all of
>         our sessions, our existance, etc but also maximize our limited
>         (simply by the fact that there are just a few of us that can make it
>         to any one GDC) efforts in the sessions that we do. And we have to
>         find our happy medium so it's not just a couple of us pulling
>         all-nighters the weeks before! So instead of me being in charge of
>         every session for the organization, we can share the wealth a bit by
>         having some on the committee for the competition, others on the
>         tutorial/workshop committee, and so forth. I realize that we aren't
>a
>         big lot but even NON attendees can help serve on committees to help
>         share ideas!
>
>
>         Ok that's the end of this email that had started out short and
>sweet.
>         :) Sorry -- just feeling the GDC pressure and I realllly want to get
>         as many people involved as possible so we can present a more united
>         effort and help best support one another!!
>
>
>         Thoughts? Reactions? And, yes, I'm now very removed from the
>emotions
>         of GDC 2007. :) But please be thoughtful in your suggestions --
>         underneath that black leather jacket I keep wearing to GDCs (for
>good
>         luck?), I can get rather down sometimes (yay! depression!) and I'd
>         hate for us to have a flame war. I promise I will count to 10 before
>         hitting the "send" button if I find myself taking things too
>         personally. Ok, deal? :)
>
>
>         Michelle
>         _______________________________________________
>         games_access mailing list
>         games_access at igda.org
>         http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
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>   Eelke Folmer                                          Assistant Professor
>   Department of Computer Science &       Engineering/171
>   University of Nevada                         Reno, Nevada 89557
>   Game Quality                   usability|accessibility.eelke.com
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From richard at audiogames.net  Sun May 27 08:09:23 2007
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 14:09:23 +0200
Subject: [games_access] DIGRA (was Re:  Game Accessibility Conference)
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Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility ConferenceHi Folks,

I'm back from my holiday and was happy to find the AG activity in my mailbox :):) Will join the conversations soon! As a first question, MIchelle wrote:

"BUT! There's some new news...As of yesterday...we now have a DiGRA parallel SIG that I'd like those of us who are researchers to really take the lead on. This SIG is a co-IGDA-DiGRA effort and I think that this is exciting! More soon on this!"

So, what's the story? Nothing on http://www.digra.org/sigs yet (but the DIGRA website is quite empty on a lot of things ;) Although I am currently not active at the Accessibility Foundation (since I am now working part-time at the HKU), I was going to setup a GA-SIG page at GA.com, with basic info, URLs and convention info. So any info on a DIGRA/IGDA GA-SIG (wow!?) is much appreciated.

On a side note, I might be visiting Paris in a couple of weeks to have a chat with several parties about a proposal for an upcoming European project concerning game accessibility. Parties may include both the Accessibility foundation and HKU :), as well as several other universities and companies. Can't reveal more at this moment, sorry, but will keep you posted. 

Greets,

Richard

http://www.audiogames.net
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From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Sun May 27 19:36:04 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 00:36:04 +0100
Subject: [games_access] "Fresh Brain" machine from Japan
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More health and games stuff from Japan...

http://www.tmc-brains.co.jp/pc/free03.html - (Click here for an English Translation).


Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk

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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Mon May 28 17:09:54 2007
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:09:54 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Ideas for GDC 2008
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Hi all,
I'll be out of office for a week so I'll catch up with you later.
/Thomas


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May 29 14:15:07 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:15:07 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Automated Meeting Reminder?
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Anyone know of a free automated meeting reminder that could send an 
email to the list to remind people that we have a meeting coming up? 
I'm not nearly automated enough so I can't seem to do it other than 
to put it on my PDA...which doesn't help you guys. Anyone interested 
in served AS an automated meeting reminder as an alternative????

Let me know!!! Thanks!
Michelle


From richard at audiogames.net  Tue May 29 18:25:58 2007
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 00:25:58 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Automated Meeting Reminder?
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83><a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94re55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com><021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch><p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]><BFEAD234-967B-40A8-96F3-5F379A0B7541@gmail.com>	<p0623092fc27a693f2d88@[130.126.29.84]><003801c7a057$ddae8730$6402a8c0@Delletje>
	<p0623095bc2821da91e3f@[130.126.29.84]>
Message-ID: <004701c7a240$54f07580$6402a8c0@Delletje>

Hi,

Did a quick browse but I couldn't find a simple and cheap/freepiece of 
software that does this. Will look further though. By the way, are these the 
final meeting times that everyone agreed on?

Tuesdays --  9am (New York Time) (= 03:00 Amsterdam)
Thursdays -- 1pm (New York Time) (= 19:00 Amsterdam)

Thanks. And I noticed I missed one or two meetings by now. Following the 
discussions from some months ago, did we (in the end) manage find a solution 
to the meeting-summary documents? Or do we still need a solution for that?

Greets,

Richard (it's late here and my past holiday already seems far, far away...)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:15 PM
Subject: [games_access] Automated Meeting Reminder?


> Anyone know of a free automated meeting reminder that could send an email 
> to the list to remind people that we have a meeting coming up? I'm not 
> nearly automated enough so I can't seem to do it other than to put it on 
> my PDA...which doesn't help you guys. Anyone interested in served AS an 
> automated meeting reminder as an alternative????
>
> Let me know!!! Thanks!
> Michelle
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From ioo at ablegamers.com  Tue May 29 18:32:48 2007
From: ioo at ablegamers.com (Ioo)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:32:48 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Automated Meeting Reminder?
In-Reply-To: <p0623095bc2821da91e3f@[130.126.29.84]>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@I	nspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83><a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94r	e55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com><021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>	<p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]><BFEAD234-967B-40A8-96F3-5F379A0B75	41@gmail.com>	<p0623092fc27a693f2d88@[130.126.29.84]>	<003801c7a057$ddae8730$6402a8c0@Delletje>
	<p0623095bc2821da91e3f@[130.126.29.84]>
Message-ID: <465CAA10.9090109@ablegamers.com>

Try Google Calendar. You can create an event and set a reminder... I am 
just not sure the method of reminding, it may send a Google Air Mail :)

Mark

d. michelle hinn wrote:
> Anyone know of a free automated meeting reminder that could send an 
> email to the list to remind people that we have a meeting coming up? 
> I'm not nearly automated enough so I can't seem to do it other than to 
> put it on my PDA...which doesn't help you guys. Anyone interested in 
> served AS an automated meeting reminder as an alternative????
>
> Let me know!!! Thanks!
> Michelle
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May 29 18:49:04 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 17:49:04 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Automated Meeting Reminder?
In-Reply-To: <465CAA10.9090109@ablegamers.com>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@I
	nspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83><a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94r
	e55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com><021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]><BFEAD234-967B-40A8-96F3-5F379A0B75
	41@gmail.com>	<p0623092fc27a693f2d88@[130.126.29.84]>
	<003801c7a057$ddae8730$6402a8c0@Delletje>
	<p0623095bc2821da91e3f@[130.126.29.84]>
	<465CAA10.9090109@ablegamers.com>
Message-ID: <p0623095ec2825e3a4034@[130.126.29.84]>

I'll check it out -- it seems like it's not friendly for lists like 
this but maybe I can tweak it! Thanks!

>Try Google Calendar. You can create an event and set a reminder... I 
>am just not sure the method of reminding, it may send a Google Air 
>Mail :)
>
>Mark
>
>d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>Anyone know of a free automated meeting reminder that could send an 
>>email to the list to remind people that we have a meeting coming 
>>up? I'm not nearly automated enough so I can't seem to do it other 
>>than to put it on my PDA...which doesn't help you guys. Anyone 
>>interested in served AS an automated meeting reminder as an 
>>alternative????
>>
>>Let me know!!! Thanks!
>>Michelle
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Tue May 29 18:52:25 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 17:52:25 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Automated Meeting Reminder?
In-Reply-To: <004701c7a240$54f07580$6402a8c0@Delletje>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@I
	nspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83><a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94r
	e55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com><021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]><BFEAD234-967B-40A8-96F3-5F379A0B75
	41@gmail.com>
	<p0623092fc27a693f2d88@[130.126.29.84]><003801c7a057$ddae8730$6402a8c0@Del
	letje>	<p0623095bc2821da91e3f@[130.126.29.84]>
	<004701c7a240$54f07580$6402a8c0@Delletje>
Message-ID: <p0623095fc2825e63499c@[130.126.29.84]>

The meetings are

Tuesdays: 1pm (NYC)
Thursdays: 9am (NYC)

You've actually only missed one meeting with three of us and I'm 
working on the wiki to put the summary up. (I was the lone show for 
two of the meetings)

You know what I could really use? Someone(s?) to volunteer to help 
take the meeting transcripts (which are out of context and crazy to 
read and also contain phone numbers from time to time depending on 
what goes on) and put them into summary form.

Michelle

>Hi,
>
>Did a quick browse but I couldn't find a simple and cheap/freepiece 
>of software that does this. Will look further though. By the way, 
>are these the final meeting times that everyone agreed on?
>
>Tuesdays --  9am (New York Time) (= 03:00 Amsterdam)
>Thursdays -- 1pm (New York Time) (= 19:00 Amsterdam)
>
>Thanks. And I noticed I missed one or two meetings by now. Following 
>the discussions from some months ago, did we (in the end) manage 
>find a solution to the meeting-summary documents? Or do we still 
>need a solution for that?
>
>Greets,
>
>Richard (it's late here and my past holiday already seems far, far away...)
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:15 PM
>Subject: [games_access] Automated Meeting Reminder?
>
>>Anyone know of a free automated meeting reminder that could send an 
>>email to the list to remind people that we have a meeting coming 
>>up? I'm not nearly automated enough so I can't seem to do it other 
>>than to put it on my PDA...which doesn't help you guys. Anyone 
>>interested in served AS an automated meeting reminder as an 
>>alternative????
>>
>>Let me know!!! Thanks!
>>Michelle
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From richard at audiogames.net  Tue May 29 19:27:08 2007
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 01:27:08 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Automated Meeting Reminder?
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83><a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94re55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com><021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch><p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]><BFEAD234-967B-40A8-96F3-5F379A0B7541@gmail.com><p0623092fc27a693f2d88@[130.126.29.84]><003801c7a057$ddae8730$6402a8c0@Delletje>	<p0623095bc2821da91e3f@[130.126.29.84]><004701c7a240$54f07580$6402a8c0@Delletje>
	<p0623095fc2825e63499c@[130.126.29.84]>
Message-ID: <005d01c7a248$e0f11730$6402a8c0@Delletje>

Hi,

I have some ideas for the GASIG website and also on where stuff like that 
would go. I'll mock up a design doc with the website proposal or a simple 
HTML outline. I won't mind transcribing the meetings I attend, so hereby I 
volenteer.

Greets,

Richard


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Automated Meeting Reminder?


> The meetings are
>
> Tuesdays: 1pm (NYC)
> Thursdays: 9am (NYC)
>
> You've actually only missed one meeting with three of us and I'm working 
> on the wiki to put the summary up. (I was the lone show for two of the 
> meetings)
>
> You know what I could really use? Someone(s?) to volunteer to help take 
> the meeting transcripts (which are out of context and crazy to read and 
> also contain phone numbers from time to time depending on what goes on) 
> and put them into summary form.
>
> Michelle
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Did a quick browse but I couldn't find a simple and cheap/freepiece of 
>>software that does this. Will look further though. By the way, are these 
>>the final meeting times that everyone agreed on?
>>
>>Tuesdays --  9am (New York Time) (= 03:00 Amsterdam)
>>Thursdays -- 1pm (New York Time) (= 19:00 Amsterdam)
>>
>>Thanks. And I noticed I missed one or two meetings by now. Following the 
>>discussions from some months ago, did we (in the end) manage find a 
>>solution to the meeting-summary documents? Or do we still need a solution 
>>for that?
>>
>>Greets,
>>
>>Richard (it's late here and my past holiday already seems far, far 
>>away...)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:15 PM
>>Subject: [games_access] Automated Meeting Reminder?
>>
>>>Anyone know of a free automated meeting reminder that could send an email 
>>>to the list to remind people that we have a meeting coming up? I'm not 
>>>nearly automated enough so I can't seem to do it other than to put it on 
>>>my PDA...which doesn't help you guys. Anyone interested in served AS an 
>>>automated meeting reminder as an alternative????
>>>
>>>Let me know!!! Thanks!
>>>Michelle
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From reid at rbkdesign.com  Tue May 29 20:54:48 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 17:54:48 -0700
Subject: [games_access] Automated Meeting Reminder?
In-Reply-To: <p0623095bc2821da91e3f@130.126.29.84>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83>
	<021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<p06230914c27649ee5f84@130.126.29.83>
	<p0623092fc27a693f2d88@130.126.29.84>
	<003801c7a057$ddae8730$6402a8c0@Delletje>
	<p0623095bc2821da91e3f@130.126.29.84>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0705291754x70b3e83eu80beb12d6e47d23f@mail.gmail.com>

I think it should be up to every to set their own calendars when a
meeting will be. I'll admit, I didn't have my calendar setup or any
reminder system in place because I really couldn't keep up with all
the different proposed times, I didn't know what was decided upon.
This is one of those things that would be great to have on our GA
website.

-Reid

On 5/29/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> Anyone know of a free automated meeting reminder that could send an
> email to the list to remind people that we have a meeting coming up?
> I'm not nearly automated enough so I can't seem to do it other than
> to put it on my PDA...which doesn't help you guys. Anyone interested
> in served AS an automated meeting reminder as an alternative????
>
> Let me know!!! Thanks!
> Michelle
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Wed May 30 02:46:50 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 07:46:50 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Automated Meeting Reminder?
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83><a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94re55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com><021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch><p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]><BFEAD234-967B-40A8-96F3-5F379A0B7541@gmail.com><p0623092fc27a693f2d88@[130.126.29.84]><003801c7a057$ddae8730$6402a8c0@Delletje>	<p0623095bc2821da91e3f@[130.126.29.84]><004701c7a240$54f07580$6402a8c0@Delletje>
	<p0623095fc2825e63499c@[130.126.29.84]>
Message-ID: <0db901c7a286$4f3a0bb0$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>

Perhaps with our meetings we could have the times up on the web-site, with 
an agenda. When people turn up - it could be agreed there who would like to 
take control of summarising the meetings to then up-load to the wiki / 
e-mail to someone to up-load to the wiki?

People should be able to add things to the meeting agenda's too in an 'any 
other business' section.

Hardly radical I realise - but could be very helpful to members.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Automated Meeting Reminder?


> The meetings are
>
> Tuesdays: 1pm (NYC)
> Thursdays: 9am (NYC)
>
> You've actually only missed one meeting with three of us and I'm working 
> on the wiki to put the summary up. (I was the lone show for two of the 
> meetings)
>
> You know what I could really use? Someone(s?) to volunteer to help take 
> the meeting transcripts (which are out of context and crazy to read and 
> also contain phone numbers from time to time depending on what goes on) 
> and put them into summary form.
>
> Michelle
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Did a quick browse but I couldn't find a simple and cheap/freepiece of 
>>software that does this. Will look further though. By the way, are these 
>>the final meeting times that everyone agreed on?
>>
>>Tuesdays --  9am (New York Time) (= 03:00 Amsterdam)
>>Thursdays -- 1pm (New York Time) (= 19:00 Amsterdam)
>>
>>Thanks. And I noticed I missed one or two meetings by now. Following the 
>>discussions from some months ago, did we (in the end) manage find a 
>>solution to the meeting-summary documents? Or do we still need a solution 
>>for that?
>>
>>Greets,
>>
>>Richard (it's late here and my past holiday already seems far, far 
>>away...)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:15 PM
>>Subject: [games_access] Automated Meeting Reminder?
>>
>>>Anyone know of a free automated meeting reminder that could send an email 
>>>to the list to remind people that we have a meeting coming up? I'm not 
>>>nearly automated enough so I can't seem to do it other than to put it on 
>>>my PDA...which doesn't help you guys. Anyone interested in served AS an 
>>>automated meeting reminder as an alternative????
>>>
>>>Let me know!!! Thanks!
>>>Michelle
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>games_access mailing list
>>>games_access at igda.org
>>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> 





From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Wed May 30 15:35:45 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:35:45 -0400
Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and video
	interview. Available.
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIyEticA
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83><a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94re55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com><021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch><p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]><BFEAD234-967B-40A8-96F3-5F379A0B7541@gmail.com><p0623092fc27a693f2d88@[130.126.29.84]><003801c7a057$ddae8730$6402a8c0@Delletje>	<p0623095bc2821da91e3f@[130.126.29.84]><004701c7a240$54f07580$6402a8c0@Delletje><p0623095fc2825e63499c@[130.126.29.84]>
	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIyEticA
Message-ID: <00a201c7a2f1$b93959b0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

Below are the links to the Washington Post story of my school PR hooked up.
Art Institute online.  She is amazing.  She is setting up some really big
things also.  More.  I'll let you know when I get a definite.  Check it out
below.

Robert
www.RobertFlorio.com   



Hey Robert -

 

Here's your story in the Washington Post-

Great video story also.

 

Games as Therapy for Walter Reed's Wounded
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/26/AR2007052600
144.html 
By Mike Musgrove
@Play, Technology Columnist


Video: Once a Gamer, Always a Gamer (3+ min video)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/04/06/VI200704060124
6.html 

 

 




From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Wed May 30 15:45:54 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:45:54 -0400
Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and
	videointerview. Available.
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzEvScA
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83><a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94re55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com><021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch><p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]><BFEAD234-967B-40A8-96F3-5F379A0B7541@gmail.com><p0623092fc27a693f2d88@[130.126.29.84]><003801c7a057$ddae8730$6402a8c0@Delletje>	<p0623095bc2821da91e3f@[130.126.29.84]><004701c7a240$54f07580$6402a8c0@Delletje><p0623095fc2825e63499c@[130.126.29.84]>AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIyEticA
	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzEvScA
Message-ID: <00ab01c7a2f3$245680f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

If you watch this it's done really good.  Yes it's about me but, I've never
seen it capture this good compared to my documentary the point being spread.
If this is good and my documentary is better watch out.

Robert



-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Robert Florio
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:36 PM
To: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'
Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and
videointerview. Available.

Below are the links to the Washington Post story of my school PR hooked up.
Art Institute online.  She is amazing.  She is setting up some really big
things also.  More.  I'll let you know when I get a definite.  Check it out
below.

Robert
www.RobertFlorio.com   



Hey Robert -

 

Here's your story in the Washington Post-

Great video story also.

 

Games as Therapy for Walter Reed's Wounded
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/26/AR2007052600
144.html 
By Mike Musgrove
@Play, Technology Columnist


Video: Once a Gamer, Always a Gamer (3+ min video)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/04/06/VI200704060124
6.html 

 

 


_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From reid at rbkdesign.com  Wed May 30 16:17:11 2007
From: reid at rbkdesign.com (Reid Kimball)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:17:11 -0700
Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and
	videointerview. Available.
In-Reply-To: <00ab01c7a2f3$245680f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<p06230914c27649ee5f84@130.126.29.83>
	<BFEAD234-967B-40A8-96F3-5F379A0B7541@gmail.com>
	<p0623092fc27a693f2d88@130.126.29.84>
	<003801c7a057$ddae8730$6402a8c0@Delletje>
	<p0623095bc2821da91e3f@130.126.29.84>
	<004701c7a240$54f07580$6402a8c0@Delletje>
	<p0623095fc2825e63499c@130.126.29.84>
	<00ab01c7a2f3$245680f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
Message-ID: <a6673b8d0705301317g4b06088bid09d8c82779ef861@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent video, you've worked hard for a chance to get your msg out, congrats.

-Reid

On 5/30/07, Robert Florio <arthit73 at cablespeed.com> wrote:
> If you watch this it's done really good.  Yes it's about me but, I've never
> seen it capture this good compared to my documentary the point being spread.
> If this is good and my documentary is better watch out.
>
> Robert
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
> On Behalf Of Robert Florio
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:36 PM
> To: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'
> Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and
> videointerview. Available.
>
> Below are the links to the Washington Post story of my school PR hooked up.
> Art Institute online.  She is amazing.  She is setting up some really big
> things also.  More.  I'll let you know when I get a definite.  Check it out
> below.
>
> Robert
> www.RobertFlorio.com
>
>
>
> Hey Robert -
>
>
>
> Here's your story in the Washington Post-
>
> Great video story also.
>
>
>
> Games as Therapy for Walter Reed's Wounded
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/26/AR2007052600
> 144.html
> By Mike Musgrove
> @Play, Technology Columnist
>
>
> Video: Once a Gamer, Always a Gamer (3+ min video)
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/04/06/VI200704060124
> 6.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Wed May 30 16:33:28 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:33:28 -0400
Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story
	andvideointerview. Available.
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIxkvicA
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch><p06230914c27649ee5f84@130.126.29.83><BFEAD234-967B-40A8-96F3-5F379A0B7541@gmail.com><p0623092fc27a693f2d88@130.126.29.84><003801c7a057$ddae8730$6402a8c0@Delletje><p0623095bc2821da91e3f@130.126.29.84><004701c7a240$54f07580$6402a8c0@Delletje><p0623095fc2825e63499c@130.126.29.84><00ab01c7a2f3$245680f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIxkvicA
Message-ID: <00af01c7a2f9$c9b24b50$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

So have you.  We have such a great group.  Opportunities come like this.  I
definitely talked about our group what they did with the editing was up to
them though.  They tried to tie it in I bet more with Walter Reed.  Which is
another great avenue to explore and get support from.  That place is in this
area Maryland DC area it's been all over CNN about the living conditions
there.  That's probably how that Boy Scout found out about their need.

This is exciting.

Robert

-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Reid Kimball
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:17 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story
andvideointerview. Available.

Excellent video, you've worked hard for a chance to get your msg out,
congrats.

-Reid

On 5/30/07, Robert Florio <arthit73 at cablespeed.com> wrote:
> If you watch this it's done really good.  Yes it's about me but, I've
never
> seen it capture this good compared to my documentary the point being
spread.
> If this is good and my documentary is better watch out.
>
> Robert
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
> On Behalf Of Robert Florio
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:36 PM
> To: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'
> Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and
> videointerview. Available.
>
> Below are the links to the Washington Post story of my school PR hooked
up.
> Art Institute online.  She is amazing.  She is setting up some really big
> things also.  More.  I'll let you know when I get a definite.  Check it
out
> below.
>
> Robert
> www.RobertFlorio.com
>
>
>
> Hey Robert -
>
>
>
> Here's your story in the Washington Post-
>
> Great video story also.
>
>
>
> Games as Therapy for Walter Reed's Wounded
>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/26/AR2007052600
> 144.html
> By Mike Musgrove
> @Play, Technology Columnist
>
>
> Video: Once a Gamer, Always a Gamer (3+ min video)
>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/04/06/VI200704060124
> 6.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed May 30 17:32:06 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (hinn at uiuc.edu)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:32:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post
 story	andvideointerview. Available.
Message-ID: <20070530163206.AQK49523@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

Yeah, they interviewed me a while back to ask what your role in the SIG was and what the SIG was when they were about to come to your house. But it's not important that I'm mentioned or the SIG (we do what we can and in the editing process things that don't flow into the story that they are telling can get cut) -- it's important that the issue we're all behind is mentioned!! And what a great angle to move from -- VA hospitals and the need for accessible games and just plain games in general for positive psychology's sake for veterans who have been injured!

And, on the side, Reid...the lack of [cc] in these online media bits is really getting me annoyed (unless I missed it?). And I'm not even hearing impaired!

Michelle

---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:33:28 -0400
>From: "Robert Florio" <arthit73 at cablespeed.com>  
>Subject: Re: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story andvideointerview. Available.  
>To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
>
>So have you.  We have such a great group.  Opportunities come like this.  I
>definitely talked about our group what they did with the editing was up to
>them though.  They tried to tie it in I bet more with Walter Reed.  Which is
>another great avenue to explore and get support from.  That place is in this
>area Maryland DC area it's been all over CNN about the living conditions
>there.  That's probably how that Boy Scout found out about their need.
>
>This is exciting.
>
>Robert
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
>On Behalf Of Reid Kimball
>Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:17 PM
>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story
>andvideointerview. Available.
>
>Excellent video, you've worked hard for a chance to get your msg out,
>congrats.
>
>-Reid
>
>On 5/30/07, Robert Florio <arthit73 at cablespeed.com> wrote:
>> If you watch this it's done really good.  Yes it's about me but, I've
>never
>> seen it capture this good compared to my documentary the point being
>spread.
>> If this is good and my documentary is better watch out.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
>> On Behalf Of Robert Florio
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:36 PM
>> To: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'
>> Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and
>> videointerview. Available.
>>
>> Below are the links to the Washington Post story of my school PR hooked
>up.
>> Art Institute online.  She is amazing.  She is setting up some really big
>> things also.  More.  I'll let you know when I get a definite.  Check it
>out
>> below.
>>
>> Robert
>> www.RobertFlorio.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Robert -
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's your story in the Washington Post-
>>
>> Great video story also.
>>
>>
>>
>> Games as Therapy for Walter Reed's Wounded
>>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/26/AR2007052600
>> 144.html
>> By Mike Musgrove
>> @Play, Technology Columnist
>>
>>
>> Video: Once a Gamer, Always a Gamer (3+ min video)
>>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/04/06/VI200704060124
>> 6.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
.......................................
these are mediocre times and people are 
losing hope. it's hard for many people 
to believe that there are extraordinary 
things inside themselves, as well as 
others. i hope you can keep an open 
mind.
 -- "unbreakable"
.......................................


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed May 30 17:11:54 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:11:54 -0500
Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and video
 interview. Available.
In-Reply-To: <00a201c7a2f1$b93959b0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@I
	nspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83><a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94r
	e55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com><021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]><BFEAD234-967B-40A8-96F3-5F379A0B75
	41@gmail.com><p0623092fc27a693f2d88@[130.126.29.84]><003801c7a057$ddae8730
	$6402a8c0@Delletje>
	<p0623095bc2821da91e3f@[130.126.29.84]><004701c7a240$54f07580$6402a8c0@Del
	letje><p0623095fc2825e63499c@[130.126.29.84]>
	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIyEticA
	<00a201c7a2f1$b93959b0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
Message-ID: <p06230962c28387cab126@[130.126.29.84]>

Cool! I also liked the Walter Reed article...although they didn't 
mention (or maybe I missed it?) how many wounded soldiers might have 
been influenced by the US Army's War Game (my question stems from did 
a game like that prepare people well enough for real injuries/death? 
Ok, so imagine nothing really does but it's always something that 
bugged me about that game). I imagine that Mike might also find a 
story there as well. I'll ping him.

One thing I'm getting increasingly annoyed at is the lack of closed 
captioning on these news sites!!! And I'm not even hearing impaired!

Michelle

>Below are the links to the Washington Post story of my school PR hooked up.
>Art Institute online.  She is amazing.  She is setting up some really big
>things also.  More.  I'll let you know when I get a definite.  Check it out
>below.
>
>Robert
>www.RobertFlorio.com  
>
>
>
>Hey Robert -
>
>
>
>Here's your story in the Washington Post-
>
>Great video story also.
>
>
>
>Games as Therapy for Walter Reed's Wounded
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/26/AR2007052600
>144.html
>By Mike Musgrove
>@Play, Technology Columnist
>
>
>Video: Once a Gamer, Always a Gamer (3+ min video)
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/04/06/VI200704060124
>6.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk  Thu May 31 02:58:04 2007
From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:58:04 +0100
Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and
	videointerview. Available.
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83><a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94re55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com><021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch><p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]><BFEAD234-967B-40A8-96F3-5F379A0B7541@gmail.com><p0623092fc27a693f2d88@[130.126.29.84]><003801c7a057$ddae8730$6402a8c0@Delletje>	<p0623095bc2821da91e3f@[130.126.29.84]><004701c7a240$54f07580$6402a8c0@Delletje><p0623095fc2825e63499c@[130.126.29.84]>AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIyEticA
	<00a201c7a2f1$b93959b0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
Message-ID: <0e5e01c7a351$09347620$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>

Great video, Robert - I'll blog about it soon. Nice to see Strange 
Attractors get a showing too! Keep up the fight!

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Florio" <arthit73 at cablespeed.com>
To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:35 PM
Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and 
videointerview. Available.


> Below are the links to the Washington Post story of my school PR hooked 
> up.
> Art Institute online.  She is amazing.  She is setting up some really big
> things also.  More.  I'll let you know when I get a definite.  Check it 
> out
> below.
>
> Robert
> www.RobertFlorio.com
>
>
>
> Hey Robert -
>
>
>
> Here's your story in the Washington Post-
>
> Great video story also.
>
>
>
> Games as Therapy for Walter Reed's Wounded
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/26/AR2007052600
> 144.html
> By Mike Musgrove
> @Play, Technology Columnist
>
>
> Video: Once a Gamer, Always a Gamer (3+ min video)
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/04/06/VI200704060124
> 6.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> 





From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu May 31 17:11:04 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:11:04 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Thinking about GDC 08's competition
In-Reply-To: <0e5e01c7a351$09347620$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@I
	nspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83><a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94r
	e55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com><021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]><BFEAD234-967B-40A8-96F3-5F379A0B75
	41@gmail.com><p0623092fc27a693f2d88@[130.126.29.84]><003801c7a057$ddae8730
	$6402a8c0@Delletje>
	<p0623095bc2821da91e3f@[130.126.29.84]><004701c7a240$54f07580$6402a8c0@Del
	letje><p0623095fc2825e63499c@[130.126.29.84]>AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIyEt
	icA	<00a201c7a2f1$b93959b0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<0e5e01c7a351$09347620$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <p0623090dc284d4e5891b@[130.126.29.38]>

Hey guys,

So I'm working on next year's design challenge for GDC and I'm taking 
the advise of the competitors from 07 into consideration:

* Keep it to one hour
* No judges at all -- if judges have questions about why they felt 
that way...I'll email you off-list
* Include accessibility "extra info" between the contestants or do it 
all up front
* NO VIDEOS unless they are realllllllllly good and reallllllllllly 
short (we left people in the dark with our video as fun as it was to 
make it wasn't nearly as hilarious in real life) :)
* Keep things more serious without being boring
* Ax the "reality show" idea
* Cut down the number of contestants to 3

So right now I'm talking to people who might be involved -- Raph 
Koster (wrote "theory of fun") is interested in either being a 
contestant or being "mini" presenter on the challenges of 
accessibility and fun (those of you at GDC 07 probably remember that 
we were up against him so maybe if we get everyone famous somehow 
involved...hehe) and then Will Wright, Dave Perry and Keita Takahashi 
who said they were interested for 08 -- I'm imagining all will not 
say "yes." Raph is really interested in being involved in some 
manner. I'd like for them to be involved during even the early stages 
so that we can present a coherent show. So I'd to have the spirit of 
being a publisher with many competing design studios and only one 
will get the "go" in a "go/no go" audience vote (this was Noah's 
suggestion). So the contestants would have "checking in" meetings 
with us as they go (to prevent "non-game presentations...we had a 
few") and such. And I'm imagining that all contestants would have 
"accessibility mentors" assigned to them from the SIG to make things 
even more challenging and fun for all of us and get us all involved.

So this isn't THE proposal...I'm just still riffing on some ideas. So 
YOUR opinion counts so please do give it! None of last year's 
contestants said that we should drop the whole idea -- but instead 
change it and do it in a way that seems much more put together.

So let's go! Let's think about our cool street cred session that 
might get people in the door for an hour and then get them to come to 
the expo for more! Let's think about how we can have the coolest, yet 
non-hospital inducing sessions to raise the roof!!!!

Michelle


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu May 31 17:16:23 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:16:23 -0500
Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and
 videointerview. Available.
In-Reply-To: <0e5e01c7a351$09347620$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@I
	nspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83><a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94r
	e55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com><021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]><BFEAD234-967B-40A8-96F3-5F379A0B75
	41@gmail.com><p0623092fc27a693f2d88@[130.126.29.84]><003801c7a057$ddae8730
	$6402a8c0@Delletje>
	<p0623095bc2821da91e3f@[130.126.29.84]><004701c7a240$54f07580$6402a8c0@Del
	letje><p0623095fc2825e63499c@[130.126.29.84]>AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIyEt
	icA	<00a201c7a2f1$b93959b0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<0e5e01c7a351$09347620$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
Message-ID: <p06230910c284eb65cf57@[130.126.29.38]>

Indeed -- let's all keep up the fight, as there is clearly much work 
to be done. Yeah, we should forward this video to Eric at Ominous so 
he can see that we are still promo-ing his game! :)

Michelle

>Great video, Robert - I'll blog about it soon. Nice to see Strange 
>Attractors get a showing too! Keep up the fight!
>
>Barrie
>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Florio" <arthit73 at cablespeed.com>
>To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:35 PM
>Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and 
>videointerview. Available.
>
>>Below are the links to the Washington Post story of my school PR hooked up.
>>Art Institute online.  She is amazing.  She is setting up some really big
>>things also.  More.  I'll let you know when I get a definite.  Check it out
>>below.
>>
>>Robert
>>www.RobertFlorio.com
>>
>>
>>
>>Hey Robert -
>>
>>
>>
>>Here's your story in the Washington Post-
>>
>>Great video story also.
>>
>>
>>
>>Games as Therapy for Walter Reed's Wounded
>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/26/AR2007052600
>>144.html
>>By Mike Musgrove
>>@Play, Technology Columnist
>>
>>
>>Video: Once a Gamer, Always a Gamer (3+ min video)
>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/04/06/VI200704060124
>>6.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>games_access mailing list
>>games_access at igda.org
>>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>games_access mailing list
>games_access at igda.org
>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu May 31 17:22:10 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:22:10 -0500
Subject: [games_access] fwd: touch screen games
Message-ID: <p0623090fc284eb2cc207@[130.126.29.38]>

Forwarding from Lynn to the Women in Game Dev list, as I think a few 
might have some ideas here too.

Indeed...America's Army game...I wish they'd involved more 
psychologists to help prep for the possibility of PTSD while they 
recruited soldiers. I can't even begin to imagine the psychological 
toll on some. Part of me wonders if games might not further 
traumatize but with the proper psych help it could be used as a 
desensitization tool. I just wish we lived in a world where such 
trauma didn't have to exist...

Michelle

>From: "Lynn Marentette" <lynnvm at carolina.rr.com>
>To: <women_dev at igda.org>
>Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:49:25 -0400
>Organization: lynnmarentette
>Thread-index: Acei9WIbYKpPwCutRL+kLSMCps/DqwAmv4Tg
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] women_dev Digest, Vol 32, Issue 50
>X-BeenThere: women_dev at igda.org
>Reply-To: lynnvm at carolina.rr.com,
>         women in game development forum <women_dev at igda.org>
>  Hi.
>
>I'm wondering if you know of anyone that is developing games for use on
>interactive touch-screens or tables. 
>
>I recently learned about  Microsoft Research about "Surface Computing" and
>posted a demo from CNET/YouTube  on one of my blogs at
>http://interactivemultimediatechnology.blogspot.com.
>
>If you scroll down on my blog, you'll see some video demos of what I worked
>on for my projects last semester in my Human-Computer Interaction and
>Ubiquitous Computing classes.  The demos are on a wall-mounted touch screen,
>since I couldn't get my hands on a touch-table.  The applications aren't
>games, but could be used as the basis for educational games.  Since I'm a
>school psychologist, I'd like to develop educational/edutainment games for
>interactive surfaces, especially for "at-risk" students and students who
>have special needs, including those with autism spectrum disorders.
>
>I also think that therapeutic games designed for interactive touch-tables
>would be an effective, relatively inexpensive way to assist young people
>coming back from Iraq who have PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) and
>those who have TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury).
>
>Most of the young people in Iraq were gamers before they enlisted. Some were
>hooked into dreams of the military life through games such as "America's
>Army".   Why not use games to support our troops to help their transition
>back home?
>
>Please let me know what you think.
>
>Lynn Marentette
>
>TechPsych
>Interactive Multimedia Technology
>
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>    1. Has anyone seen this? (Tamir Nadav)
>    2. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Glyn Heatley)
>    3. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Jane Pinckard)
>    4. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Nancy Berman)
>    5. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Glyn Heatley)
>    6. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Daisy Pilbrow)
>    7. Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Theresa)
>    8. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Nancy Berman)
>    9. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Aery)
>   10. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Danielle Vanderlip)
>   11. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Aery)
>   12. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (wendeth at wendydespain.com)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:27:30 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
>From: Tamir Nadav <theaquaticjew at gmail.com>
>Subject: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>Message-ID: <465D97E2.000025.00516 at BARAD-DUR>
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>http://www.codemasters.com/dirtydancing/
>
>
>
>It just seems... odd... I don't know what to think about it.
>
>
>
>----------
>
>The Aquatic Jew... for JUSTICE!
>
>
>
>- Tamir Nadav
>
>The Aquatic Jew
>
>619.985.1054
>
>Tamir.Nadav at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:33:35 -0400
>From: "Glyn Heatley" <glyn.heatley at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>Message-ID:
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>In Canada at least they are milking this IP for all it is worth. I think
>that it is a 20th anniversary or something, but I keep seeing DVD releases,
>etc on TV.
>
>On 5/30/07, Tamir Nadav <theaquaticjew at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  http://www.codemasters.com/dirtydancing/
>>
>>
>>
>>  It just seems... odd... I don't know what to think about it.
>>
>>
>>
>>  ----------
>>
>>  The Aquatic Jew... for JUSTICE!
>>
>>
>>
>>  - Tamir Nadav
>>
>>  The Aquatic Jew
>>
>>  619.985.1054
>>
>>  Tamir.Nadav at gmail.com
>>
>>
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>--
>regards,
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>Glyn Heatley
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>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:34:02 -0700
>From: "Jane Pinckard" <miyukijane at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
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>wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
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>www.gamegirladvance.com
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>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:54:52 -0700
>From: "Nancy Berman" <nancy at deryabar.net>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
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>http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/05/30
>
>Nancy
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Jane Pinckard
>   To: women in game development forum
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:34 AM
>   Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>
>
>   wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>
>
>
>   --
>   jane pinckard
>   www.gamegirladvance.com
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>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:13:38 -0400
>From: "Glyn Heatley" <glyn.heatley at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>Message-ID:
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>Ummm. Male, straight, no interest in El Swayze at all. After all he is no De
>Niro or McKellern with his acting ability.
>
>@ Nancy. Now I'll have nightmares. ;)
>
>On 5/30/07, Jane Pinckard <miyukijane at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >
>>  wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  jane pinckard
>>  www.gamegirladvance.com
>>  _______________________________________________
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>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
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>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:19:21 -0400
>From: "Daisy Pilbrow" <daisy.pilbrow at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>Message-ID:
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>"but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?"
>
>
>Oh, I don't know... I imagine a CGI Swayze falling prey to the Uncanny
>Valley theory could be pretty horrifying (remember "The Polar Express" - I
>couldn't look at Tom Hanks for months after that one).
>
>
>
>
>Daisy
>
>
>
>On 5/30/07, Jane Pinckard <miyukijane at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  jane pinckard
>>  www.gamegirladvance.com
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>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:04:36 -0700
>From: Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com>
>Subject: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
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>I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on the
>Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>
>http://www.mega64.com/
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>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:23:10 -0700
>From: "Nancy Berman" <nancy at deryabar.net>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>Message-ID: <010701c7a2ef$f5c30270$6700a8c0 at Deryabar>
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>Words fail me.
>
>Nancy
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Theresa
>   To: women in game development forum
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:04 PM
>   Subject: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>
>
>   I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on the
>Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>
>   http://www.mega64.com/
>
>   - Theresa
>
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>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:55:03 -0500
>From: Aery <aerynea at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
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>I think I am horrified!
>
>On 5/30/07, Nancy Berman <nancy at deryabar.net> wrote:
>>
>>   Words fail me.
>>
>>  Nancy
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>  *From:* Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com>
>>  *To:* women in game development forum <women_dev at igda.org>
>>  *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:04 PM
>  > *Subject:* [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>
>>
>>  I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on the
>>  Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>
>>  http://www.mega64.com/
>>
>>  - Theresa
>>
>>  ------------------------------
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>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:56:47 -0700
>From: "Danielle Vanderlip" <sachant at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>Message-ID:
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>I was eating lunch when I watched that.  My appetite is gone.
>
>On 5/30/07, Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on the
>>  Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>
>>  http://www.mega64.com/
>>
>>  - Theresa
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  women_dev mailing list
>>  women_dev at igda.org
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>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:59:23 -0500
>From: Aery <aerynea at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
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>I can't believe I waited like 8 minutes for it to buffer!
>
>On 5/30/07, Danielle Vanderlip <sachant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I was eating lunch when I watched that.  My appetite is gone.
>>
>>   On 5/30/07, Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  > I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on the
>>  > Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>  >
>>  > http://www.mega64.com/
>>  >
>>  > - Theresa
>>  >
>>  > _______________________________________________
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>>  > women_dev at igda.org
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>>  >
>>
>>
>>  --
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>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:01:08 -0700 (PDT)
>From: wendeth at wendydespain.com
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>Message-ID:
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>imho, it was awesome.
>
>WD
>
>>  I can't believe I waited like 8 minutes for it to buffer!
>>
>>  On 5/30/07, Danielle Vanderlip <sachant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I was eating lunch when I watched that.  My appetite is gone.
>>>
>>>   On 5/30/07, Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  > I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken
>>>  on the
>>>  > Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>  >
>>>  > http://www.mega64.com/
>>>  >
>>>  > - Theresa
>>>  >
>>>  > _______________________________________________
>>>  > women_dev mailing list
>>>  > women_dev at igda.org
>>>  > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
>  >> >
>>>  >
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>>  Danielle Vanderlip
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>  women_dev mailing list
>>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
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>>>
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From ladysekhmet.dj at gmail.com  Thu May 31 18:24:38 2007
From: ladysekhmet.dj at gmail.com (DJ Bono)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:24:38 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Michelle's annoyance...:-)
Message-ID: <21e80ec20705311524o3cfa745j343dd65217d8c568@mail.gmail.com>

LOL! About time someone understands with the lack of CC in News bits and
stuff. I have no idea how hard it is to implement captioning in web videos,
but I would think that it's almost impossible. Reason behind this is because
TV shows and movies have big bucks, so they pay the National Captioning
Institute to caption these.
   However, having someone upload a video is out of their hands because it's
independent? Think of YouTube...impossible to spend the time to caption all
of these.
     The only times that I'm very annoyed is when I see a story being stated
on CNN.com, and it's in video. I have to ask my boyfriend to "interp" for
me, but even in that method, there's some information that gets lost in
translation.
   Anyone want to translate Robert's 3 min video?? :-D
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From richard at audiogames.net  Thu May 31 18:27:56 2007
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 00:27:56 +0200
Subject: [games_access] fwd: touch screen games
References: <p0623090fc284eb2cc207@[130.126.29.38]>
Message-ID: <014f01c7a3d2$f0205960$6402a8c0@Delletje>

Hi,

(Lynn, you are also on this list, right?)

"I'm wondering if you know of anyone that is developing games for use on 
interactive touch-screens or tables. "

The HKU did several projects like that. Here are some of the ones that came 
into mind first:

Apart-Spel:
http://www.apart-spel.nl/
http://kmt.hku.nl/~xchange/magazijn03/09_03.html (dutch HKU link)

Entertable/Entertaible games (HKU for Philips):
http://www.research.philips.com/initiatives/entertaible/index.html
http://kmt.hku.nl/~xchange/projecten/projmarkt2006/entertable.html (only 
page I could find at HKU - only dutch, nothing much)
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/ces/entertaible-lcdbased-board-gaming-from-philips-146788.php 
(with pics of the HKU game)

Verhalentafel ("storytable" - not to be confused with Storytable(c) from The 
Waag Society):
http://kmt.hku.nl/~xchange/projecten/verhalentafel/verhalentafel.html (only 
dutch)

Something like that or... ?

Greets,

Ries







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:22 PM
Subject: [games_access] fwd: touch screen games


> Forwarding from Lynn to the Women in Game Dev list, as I think a few might 
> have some ideas here too.
>
> Indeed...America's Army game...I wish they'd involved more psychologists 
> to help prep for the possibility of PTSD while they recruited soldiers. I 
> can't even begin to imagine the psychological toll on some. Part of me 
> wonders if games might not further traumatize but with the proper psych 
> help it could be used as a desensitization tool. I just wish we lived in a 
> world where such trauma didn't have to exist...
>
> Michelle
>
>>From: "Lynn Marentette" <lynnvm at carolina.rr.com>
>>To: <women_dev at igda.org>
>>Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:49:25 -0400
>>Organization: lynnmarentette
>>Thread-index: Acei9WIbYKpPwCutRL+kLSMCps/DqwAmv4Tg
>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] women_dev Digest, Vol 32, Issue 50
>>X-BeenThere: women_dev at igda.org
>>Reply-To: lynnvm at carolina.rr.com,
>>         women in game development forum <women_dev at igda.org>
>>  Hi.
>>
>>I'm wondering if you know of anyone that is developing games for use on
>>interactive touch-screens or tables.
>>I recently learned about  Microsoft Research about "Surface Computing" and
>>posted a demo from CNET/YouTube  on one of my blogs at
>>http://interactivemultimediatechnology.blogspot.com.
>>
>>If you scroll down on my blog, you'll see some video demos of what I 
>>worked
>>on for my projects last semester in my Human-Computer Interaction and
>>Ubiquitous Computing classes.  The demos are on a wall-mounted touch 
>>screen,
>>since I couldn't get my hands on a touch-table.  The applications aren't
>>games, but could be used as the basis for educational games.  Since I'm a
>>school psychologist, I'd like to develop educational/edutainment games for
>>interactive surfaces, especially for "at-risk" students and students who
>>have special needs, including those with autism spectrum disorders.
>>
>>I also think that therapeutic games designed for interactive touch-tables
>>would be an effective, relatively inexpensive way to assist young people
>>coming back from Iraq who have PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) and
>>those who have TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury).
>>
>>Most of the young people in Iraq were gamers before they enlisted. Some 
>>were
>>hooked into dreams of the military life through games such as "America's
>>Army".   Why not use games to support our troops to help their transition
>>back home?
>>
>>Please let me know what you think.
>>
>>Lynn Marentette
>>
>>TechPsych
>>Interactive Multimedia Technology
>>
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>>Today's Topics:
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>>    1. Has anyone seen this? (Tamir Nadav)
>>    2. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Glyn Heatley)
>>    3. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Jane Pinckard)
>>    4. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Nancy Berman)
>>    5. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Glyn Heatley)
>>    6. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Daisy Pilbrow)
>>    7. Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Theresa)
>>    8. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Nancy Berman)
>>    9. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Aery)
>>   10. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Danielle Vanderlip)
>>   11. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Aery)
>>   12. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (wendeth at wendydespain.com)
>>
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 1
>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:27:30 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
>>From: Tamir Nadav <theaquaticjew at gmail.com>
>>Subject: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>Message-ID: <465D97E2.000025.00516 at BARAD-DUR>
>>Content-Type: Text/Plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>http://www.codemasters.com/dirtydancing/
>>
>>
>>
>>It just seems... odd... I don't know what to think about it.
>>
>>
>>
>>----------
>>
>>The Aquatic Jew... for JUSTICE!
>>
>>
>>
>>- Tamir Nadav
>>
>>The Aquatic Jew
>>
>>619.985.1054
>>
>>Tamir.Nadav at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 2
>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:33:35 -0400
>>From: "Glyn Heatley" <glyn.heatley at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>Message-ID:
>> <871e1ded0705300833p702698c7yc9b9c7ea857378ea at mail.gmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>>
>>In Canada at least they are milking this IP for all it is worth. I think
>>that it is a 20th anniversary or something, but I keep seeing DVD 
>>releases,
>>etc on TV.
>>
>>On 5/30/07, Tamir Nadav <theaquaticjew at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  http://www.codemasters.com/dirtydancing/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  It just seems... odd... I don't know what to think about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  ----------
>>>
>>>  The Aquatic Jew... for JUSTICE!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  - Tamir Nadav
>>>
>>>  The Aquatic Jew
>>>
>>>  619.985.1054
>>>
>>>  Tamir.Nadav at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>--
>>regards,
>>
>>Glyn Heatley
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>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:34:02 -0700
>>From: "Jane Pinckard" <miyukijane at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>Message-ID:
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>>wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>>
>>
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>>--
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>>www.gamegirladvance.com
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>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:54:52 -0700
>>From: "Nancy Berman" <nancy at deryabar.net>
>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>Message-ID: <00b701c7a2db$3e327460$6700a8c0 at Deryabar>
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>>http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/05/30
>>
>>Nancy
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Jane Pinckard
>>   To: women in game development forum
>>   Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:34 AM
>>   Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>
>>
>>   wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>>
>>
>>
>>   --
>>   jane pinckard
>>   www.gamegirladvance.com
>>
>>
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>>Message: 5
>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:13:38 -0400
>>From: "Glyn Heatley" <glyn.heatley at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>Message-ID:
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>>Ummm. Male, straight, no interest in El Swayze at all. After all he is no 
>>De
>>Niro or McKellern with his acting ability.
>>
>>@ Nancy. Now I'll have nightmares. ;)
>>
>>On 5/30/07, Jane Pinckard <miyukijane at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  >
>>>  wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>>  jane pinckard
>>>  www.gamegirladvance.com
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>  women_dev mailing list
>>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
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>>--
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>>Glyn Heatley
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>>Message: 6
>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:19:21 -0400
>>From: "Daisy Pilbrow" <daisy.pilbrow at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>Message-ID:
>> <5ebcea800705301019k3d08f0cbt9f8eddfc93b401b8 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>"but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?"
>>
>>
>>Oh, I don't know... I imagine a CGI Swayze falling prey to the Uncanny
>>Valley theory could be pretty horrifying (remember "The Polar Express" - I
>>couldn't look at Tom Hanks for months after that one).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Daisy
>>
>>
>>
>>On 5/30/07, Jane Pinckard <miyukijane at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>>  jane pinckard
>>>  www.gamegirladvance.com
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>>Message: 7
>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:04:36 -0700
>>From: Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com>
>>Subject: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>Message-ID:
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>>I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on the
>>Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>
>>http://www.mega64.com/
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>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:23:10 -0700
>>From: "Nancy Berman" <nancy at deryabar.net>
>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>Message-ID: <010701c7a2ef$f5c30270$6700a8c0 at Deryabar>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>>Words fail me.
>>
>>Nancy
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Theresa
>>   To: women in game development forum
>>   Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:04 PM
>>   Subject: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>
>>
>>   I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on 
>> the
>>Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>
>>   http://www.mega64.com/
>>
>>   - Theresa
>>
>>
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>Message: 9
>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:55:03 -0500
>>From: Aery <aerynea at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>Message-ID:
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>>I think I am horrified!
>>
>>On 5/30/07, Nancy Berman <nancy at deryabar.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Words fail me.
>>>
>>>  Nancy
>>>
>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>  *From:* Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com>
>>>  *To:* women in game development forum <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>  *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:04 PM
>>  > *Subject:* [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>>
>>>
>>>  I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on 
>>> the
>>>  Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>
>>>  http://www.mega64.com/
>>>
>>>  - Theresa
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>>
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>>Message: 10
>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:56:47 -0700
>>From: "Danielle Vanderlip" <sachant at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>Message-ID:
>> <1559fec50705301256x7cef0391jcae9bd853c93bb2 at mail.gmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
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>>I was eating lunch when I watched that.  My appetite is gone.
>>
>>On 5/30/07, Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on 
>>> the
>>>  Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>
>>>  http://www.mega64.com/
>>>
>>>  - Theresa
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>  women_dev mailing list
>>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
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>>>
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>>Message: 11
>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:59:23 -0500
>>From: Aery <aerynea at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>Message-ID:
>> <fdb4b7700705301259l3433b4feie435834ec1f26378 at mail.gmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
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>>I can't believe I waited like 8 minutes for it to buffer!
>>
>>On 5/30/07, Danielle Vanderlip <sachant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I was eating lunch when I watched that.  My appetite is gone.
>>>
>>>   On 5/30/07, Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  > I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on 
>>> the
>>>  > Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>  >
>>>  > http://www.mega64.com/
>>>  >
>>>  > - Theresa
>>>  >
>>>  > _______________________________________________
>>>  > women_dev mailing list
>>>  > women_dev at igda.org
>>>  > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>>  Danielle Vanderlip
>>>  _______________________________________________
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>>Message: 12
>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:01:08 -0700 (PDT)
>>From: wendeth at wendydespain.com
>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>Message-ID:
>> <3117.69.144.84.21.1180555268.squirrel at webmail.wendydespain.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>>imho, it was awesome.
>>
>>WD
>>
>>>  I can't believe I waited like 8 minutes for it to buffer!
>>>
>>>  On 5/30/07, Danielle Vanderlip <sachant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I was eating lunch when I watched that.  My appetite is gone.
>>>>
>>>>   On 5/30/07, Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  > I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken
>>>>  on the
>>>>  > Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>>  >
>>>>  > http://www.mega64.com/
>>>>  >
>>>>  > - Theresa
>>>>  >
>>>>  > _______________________________________________
>>>>  > women_dev mailing list
>>>>  > women_dev at igda.org
>>>>  > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
>>  >> >
>>>>  >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>>>  Danielle Vanderlip
>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>  women_dev mailing list
>>>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
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>>>>
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From richard at audiogames.net  Thu May 31 18:55:12 2007
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 00:55:12 +0200
Subject: [games_access] Thinking about GDC 08's competition
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Hi,

I agree with all of the competitors advice. I would also like to add "no 
game show theme next time"? A theme is good, but something cool, not corny? 
Michelle, I like all of your suggestions so far. I would prefer to have a 
good, 3rd party host and Raph seems like a good person for that. And I guess 
fitting in his own entry is cool?

But, ok, what still seems missing is:

1) theme / title of the design challenge. Can we still use "design 
challenge" in the title?
2) basically along with the theme, the target impaired audience? Our options 
are:

- game for one specific game handicap
- game for a game handicap of choice
- game for one out of a selection of game handicaps (the list we make)

But maybe we can try something completely different/less obvious instead. As 
I read Eelke's (excellent) Gamasutra article today, I was thinking about 
handicaps caused by impairments and the same handicaps not caused by 
impairments. Example: deaf gamers encounter the same problems as gamers in a 
loud environment (LAN party/mother vacuming/arcade/on the train) as gamers 
that play a mobile game and intentionally turn the sound off. Another one 
is: gamers with parkinson encounter the same problem as gamers on a plane 
with turbulence. Another one is: gamers trying to play with a DS or a PSP in 
a sunny environment (as I tried in the Dominican Republic for 2 weeks) 
encounter the same problem as visually impaired gamers. etc. etc. For more 
examples, see Eelke's article.

Maybe we could make sort of a game-handicap list, where each problem is 
linked to both a bodily impairment *and* a likely situation that a 
non-impaired gamer can also encounter. So the parkinson/airplane disability 
(although there's probably also the gamer with parkinson on a plane with 
turbulence-disability). This is also where we could can some fun in, for 
instance:

disability: game speed is to fast
people who encounter this issue: gamers with a physical impairment that does 
not allow for fast reactions, hippies

disability: cannot hear game audio
people who encounter this issue: deaf gamers, grannies, gamers who visited 
Ozzfest 2007

Err... ?

And I guess I still want Hugh Heffner to showcase his Playboy Mansion game 
to see how well he handles the controls at his age. And I like celebrity 
handicapped people: Michael J Fox showing how he plays with the DS having 
Parkinson?

Just some random thought. Next please!

Ries


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:11 PM
Subject: [games_access] Thinking about GDC 08's competition


> Hey guys,
>
> So I'm working on next year's design challenge for GDC and I'm taking the 
> advise of the competitors from 07 into consideration:
>
> * Keep it to one hour
> * No judges at all -- if judges have questions about why they felt that 
> way...I'll email you off-list
> * Include accessibility "extra info" between the contestants or do it all 
> up front
> * NO VIDEOS unless they are realllllllllly good and reallllllllllly short 
> (we left people in the dark with our video as fun as it was to make it 
> wasn't nearly as hilarious in real life) :)
> * Keep things more serious without being boring
> * Ax the "reality show" idea
> * Cut down the number of contestants to 3
>
> So right now I'm talking to people who might be involved -- Raph Koster 
> (wrote "theory of fun") is interested in either being a contestant or 
> being "mini" presenter on the challenges of accessibility and fun (those 
> of you at GDC 07 probably remember that we were up against him so maybe if 
> we get everyone famous somehow involved...hehe) and then Will Wright, Dave 
> Perry and Keita Takahashi who said they were interested for 08 -- I'm 
> imagining all will not say "yes." Raph is really interested in being 
> involved in some manner. I'd like for them to be involved during even the 
> early stages so that we can present a coherent show. So I'd to have the 
> spirit of being a publisher with many competing design studios and only 
> one will get the "go" in a "go/no go" audience vote (this was Noah's 
> suggestion). So the contestants would have "checking in" meetings with us 
> as they go (to prevent "non-game presentations...we had a few") and such. 
> And I'm imagining that all contestants would have "accessibility mentors" 
> assigned to them from the SIG to make things even more challenging and fun 
> for all of us and get us all involved.
>
> So this isn't THE proposal...I'm just still riffing on some ideas. So YOUR 
> opinion counts so please do give it! None of last year's contestants said 
> that we should drop the whole idea -- but instead change it and do it in a 
> way that seems much more put together.
>
> So let's go! Let's think about our cool street cred session that might get 
> people in the door for an hour and then get them to come to the expo for 
> more! Let's think about how we can have the coolest, yet non-hospital 
> inducing sessions to raise the roof!!!!
>
> Michelle
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From richard at audiogames.net  Thu May 31 18:55:57 2007
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 00:55:57 +0200
Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and
	videointerview. Available.
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83><a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94re55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com><021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch><p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]><BFEAD234-967B-40A8-96F3-5F379A0B7541@gmail.com><p0623092fc27a693f2d88@[130.126.29.84]><003801c7a057$ddae8730$6402a8c0@Delletje>	<p0623095bc2821da91e3f@[130.126.29.84]><004701c7a240$54f07580$6402a8c0@Delletje><p0623095fc2825e63499c@[130.126.29.84]>AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIyEticA
	<00a201c7a2f1$b93959b0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
Message-ID: <016d01c7a3d6$dc57f830$6402a8c0@Delletje>

Wow, great video, Robert! Good going, will post on Game-Accessibility.com!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Florio" <arthit73 at cablespeed.com>
To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:35 PM
Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and 
videointerview. Available.


> Below are the links to the Washington Post story of my school PR hooked 
> up.
> Art Institute online.  She is amazing.  She is setting up some really big
> things also.  More.  I'll let you know when I get a definite.  Check it 
> out
> below.
>
> Robert
> www.RobertFlorio.com
>
>
>
> Hey Robert -
>
>
>
> Here's your story in the Washington Post-
>
> Great video story also.
>
>
>
> Games as Therapy for Walter Reed's Wounded
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/26/AR2007052600
> 144.html
> By Mike Musgrove
> @Play, Technology Columnist
>
>
> Video: Once a Gamer, Always a Gamer (3+ min video)
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/04/06/VI200704060124
> 6.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From richard at audiogames.net  Thu May 31 18:57:01 2007
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 00:57:01 +0200
Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and
	videointerview. Available.
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83><a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94re55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com><021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch><p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]><BFEAD234-967B-40A8-96F3-5F379A0B7541@gmail.com><p0623092fc27a693f2d88@[130.126.29.84]><003801c7a057$ddae8730$6402a8c0@Delletje>	<p0623095bc2821da91e3f@[130.126.29.84]><004701c7a240$54f07580$6402a8c0@Delletje><p0623095fc2825e63499c@[130.126.29.84]>AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIyEticA
	<00a201c7a2f1$b93959b0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
Message-ID: <017001c7a3d7$00299610$6402a8c0@Delletje>

Oh, by the way, you are also allowed to post news on GA.com, if you didn't 
know.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Florio" <arthit73 at cablespeed.com>
To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:35 PM
Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and 
videointerview. Available.


> Below are the links to the Washington Post story of my school PR hooked 
> up.
> Art Institute online.  She is amazing.  She is setting up some really big
> things also.  More.  I'll let you know when I get a definite.  Check it 
> out
> below.
>
> Robert
> www.RobertFlorio.com
>
>
>
> Hey Robert -
>
>
>
> Here's your story in the Washington Post-
>
> Great video story also.
>
>
>
> Games as Therapy for Walter Reed's Wounded
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/26/AR2007052600
> 144.html
> By Mike Musgrove
> @Play, Technology Columnist
>
>
> Video: Once a Gamer, Always a Gamer (3+ min video)
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/04/06/VI200704060124
> 6.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access 



From lynnvm at carolina.rr.com  Thu May 31 19:10:22 2007
From: lynnvm at carolina.rr.com (Lynn Marentette)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:10:22 -0400
Subject: [games_access] Theraputic Games and Mcirosoft Surface
In-Reply-To: <mailman.603.1180650280.43301.games_access@igda.org>
References: <mailman.603.1180650280.43301.games_access@igda.org>
Message-ID: <000301c7a3d8$dda21980$6701a8c0@HOME>

 


TechPsych 
Interactive Multimedia Technology


Charlotte, NC has a "gaming at the library" program. One of the librarians
who works with the library's director of emerging technologies sent me a
link to an article about Microsoft Surface.  She thinks that libraries would
be a great place for these tables and other large touch-screens.  

I was thinking that some games to help with attention, concentration, and
memory problems, available at every public library, on a PC, on an adapted
computer, even on a touch-screen table, would help our communities support
those who have suffered from TBI- and not just our injured troops. Also,
there are games that are designed to reduce anxiety that come with small
bio-feedback devices that can be strapped to a finger - if these games were
easily accessed in every library, more people could be reached, and the cost
would not be too high.

Of course, the game and related applications would probably need some sort
of approval, since they would supposedly have some sort of prevention or
therapeutic value.

Michelle, thanks for reposting my comments to this list!

Lynn Marentette


Message: 3
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:22:10 -0500
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
Subject: [games_access] fwd: touch screen games
To: games_access at igda.org
Message-ID: <p0623090fc284eb2cc207@[130.126.29.38]>
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Forwarding from Lynn to the Women in Game Dev list, as I think a few might
have some ideas here too.

Indeed...America's Army game...I wish they'd involved more psychologists to
help prep for the possibility of PTSD while they recruited soldiers. I can't
even begin to imagine the psychological toll on some. Part of me wonders if
games might not further traumatize but with the proper psych help it could
be used as a desensitization tool. I just wish we lived in a world where
such trauma didn't have to exist...

Michelle

>From: "Lynn Marentette" <lynnvm at carolina.rr.com>
>To: <women_dev at igda.org>
>Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:49:25 -0400
>Organization: lynnmarentette
>Thread-index: Acei9WIbYKpPwCutRL+kLSMCps/DqwAmv4Tg
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] women_dev Digest, Vol 32, Issue 50
>X-BeenThere: women_dev at igda.org
>Reply-To: lynnvm at carolina.rr.com,
>         women in game development forum <women_dev at igda.org>
>  Hi.
>
>I'm wondering if you know of anyone that is developing games for use on 
>interactive touch-screens or tables.
>
>I recently learned about  Microsoft Research about "Surface Computing" 
>and posted a demo from CNET/YouTube  on one of my blogs at 
>http://interactivemultimediatechnology.blogspot.com.
>
>If you scroll down on my blog, you'll see some video demos of what I 
>worked on for my projects last semester in my Human-Computer 
>Interaction and Ubiquitous Computing classes.  The demos are on a 
>wall-mounted touch screen, since I couldn't get my hands on a 
>touch-table.  The applications aren't games, but could be used as the 
>basis for educational games.  Since I'm a school psychologist, I'd like 
>to develop educational/edutainment games for interactive surfaces, 
>especially for "at-risk" students and students who have special needs,
including those with autism spectrum disorders.
>
>I also think that therapeutic games designed for interactive 
>touch-tables would be an effective, relatively inexpensive way to 
>assist young people coming back from Iraq who have PTSD (Post Traumatic 
>Stress Disorder) and those who have TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury).
>
>Most of the young people in Iraq were gamers before they enlisted. Some 
>were hooked into dreams of the military life through games such as
"America's
>Army".   Why not use games to support our troops to help their transition
>back home?
>
>Please let me know what you think.
>
>Lynn Marentette
>
>TechPsych
>Interactive Multimedia Technology
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Today's Topics:
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>    1. Has anyone seen this? (Tamir Nadav)
>    2. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Glyn Heatley)
>    3. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Jane Pinckard)
>    4. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Nancy Berman)
>    5. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Glyn Heatley)
>    6. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Daisy Pilbrow)
>    7. Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Theresa)
>    8. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Nancy Berman)
>    9. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Aery)
>   10. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Danielle Vanderlip)
>   11. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Aery)
>   12. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (wendeth at wendydespain.com)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:27:30 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
>From: Tamir Nadav <theaquaticjew at gmail.com>
>Subject: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>Message-ID: <465D97E2.000025.00516 at BARAD-DUR>
>Content-Type: Text/Plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>http://www.codemasters.com/dirtydancing/
>
>
>
>It just seems... odd... I don't know what to think about it.
>
>
>
>----------
>
>The Aquatic Jew... for JUSTICE!
>
>
>
>- Tamir Nadav
>
>The Aquatic Jew
>
>619.985.1054
>
>Tamir.Nadav at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:33:35 -0400
>From: "Glyn Heatley" <glyn.heatley at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>Message-ID:
>	<871e1ded0705300833p702698c7yc9b9c7ea857378ea at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>
>In Canada at least they are milking this IP for all it is worth. I 
>think that it is a 20th anniversary or something, but I keep seeing DVD 
>releases, etc on TV.
>
>On 5/30/07, Tamir Nadav <theaquaticjew at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  http://www.codemasters.com/dirtydancing/
>>
>>
>>
>>  It just seems... odd... I don't know what to think about it.
>>
>>
>>
>>  ----------
>>
>>  The Aquatic Jew... for JUSTICE!
>>
>>
>>
>>  - Tamir Nadav
>>
>>  The Aquatic Jew
>>
>>  619.985.1054
>>
>>  Tamir.Nadav at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  women_dev mailing list
>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
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>
>
>
>--
>regards,
>
>Glyn Heatley
>Email: glyn.heatley at gmail.com
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>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:34:02 -0700
>From: "Jane Pinckard" <miyukijane at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
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>wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>
>
>
>--
>jane pinckard
>www.gamegirladvance.com
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>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:54:52 -0700
>From: "Nancy Berman" <nancy at deryabar.net>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
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>http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/05/30
>
>Nancy
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Jane Pinckard
>   To: women in game development forum
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:34 AM
>   Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>
>
>   wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>
>
>
>   --
>   jane pinckard
>   www.gamegirladvance.com
>
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:13:38 -0400
>From: "Glyn Heatley" <glyn.heatley at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>Message-ID:
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>Ummm. Male, straight, no interest in El Swayze at all. After all he is 
>no De Niro or McKellern with his acting ability.
>
>@ Nancy. Now I'll have nightmares. ;)
>
>On 5/30/07, Jane Pinckard <miyukijane at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >
>>  wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  jane pinckard
>>  www.gamegirladvance.com
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  women_dev mailing list
>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
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>
>
>--
>regards,
>
>Glyn Heatley
>Email: glyn.heatley at gmail.com
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>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:19:21 -0400
>From: "Daisy Pilbrow" <daisy.pilbrow at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>Message-ID:
>	<5ebcea800705301019k3d08f0cbt9f8eddfc93b401b8 at mail.gmail.com>
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>"but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?"
>
>
>Oh, I don't know... I imagine a CGI Swayze falling prey to the Uncanny 
>Valley theory could be pretty horrifying (remember "The Polar Express" 
>- I couldn't look at Tom Hanks for months after that one).
>
>
>
>
>Daisy
>
>
>
>On 5/30/07, Jane Pinckard <miyukijane at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  jane pinckard
>>  www.gamegirladvance.com
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  women_dev mailing list
>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
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>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:04:36 -0700
>From: Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com>
>Subject: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>Message-ID:
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>I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on 
>the Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>
>http://www.mega64.com/
>
>- Theresa
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>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:23:10 -0700
>From: "Nancy Berman" <nancy at deryabar.net>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>Message-ID: <010701c7a2ef$f5c30270$6700a8c0 at Deryabar>
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>
>Words fail me.
>
>Nancy
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Theresa
>   To: women in game development forum
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:04 PM
>   Subject: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>
>
>   I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on 
>the Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>
>   http://www.mega64.com/
>
>   - Theresa
>
>
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>Message: 9
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:55:03 -0500
>From: Aery <aerynea at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>Message-ID:
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>I think I am horrified!
>
>On 5/30/07, Nancy Berman <nancy at deryabar.net> wrote:
>>
>>   Words fail me.
>>
>>  Nancy
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>  *From:* Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com>
>>  *To:* women in game development forum <women_dev at igda.org>
>>  *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:04 PM
>  > *Subject:* [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>
>>
>>  I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on 
>> the  Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>
>>  http://www.mega64.com/
>>
>>  - Theresa
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
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>>  women_dev at igda.org
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>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:56:47 -0700
>From: "Danielle Vanderlip" <sachant at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>Message-ID:
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>I was eating lunch when I watched that.  My appetite is gone.
>
>On 5/30/07, Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on 
>> the  Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>
>>  http://www.mega64.com/
>>
>>  - Theresa
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  women_dev mailing list
>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
>>
>>
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>
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>Message: 11
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:59:23 -0500
>From: Aery <aerynea at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
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>I can't believe I waited like 8 minutes for it to buffer!
>
>On 5/30/07, Danielle Vanderlip <sachant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I was eating lunch when I watched that.  My appetite is gone.
>>
>>   On 5/30/07, Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  > I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken 
>> on the  > Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>  >
>>  > http://www.mega64.com/
>>  >
>>  > - Theresa
>>  >
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>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:01:08 -0700 (PDT)
>From: wendeth at wendydespain.com
>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
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>imho, it was awesome.
>
>WD
>
>>  I can't believe I waited like 8 minutes for it to buffer!
>>
>>  On 5/30/07, Danielle Vanderlip <sachant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I was eating lunch when I watched that.  My appetite is gone.
>>>
>>>   On 5/30/07, Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  > I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken  
>>> on the  > Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>  >
>>>  > http://www.mega64.com/
>>>  >
>>>  > - Theresa
>>>  >
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>>>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:24:38 -0400
From: "DJ Bono" <ladysekhmet.dj at gmail.com>
Subject: [games_access] Michelle's annoyance...:-)
To: games_access at igda.org
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LOL! About time someone understands with the lack of CC in News bits and
stuff. I have no idea how hard it is to implement captioning in web videos,
but I would think that it's almost impossible. Reason behind this is because
TV shows and movies have big bucks, so they pay the National Captioning
Institute to caption these.
   However, having someone upload a video is out of their hands because it's
independent? Think of YouTube...impossible to spend the time to caption all
of these.
     The only times that I'm very annoyed is when I see a story being stated
on CNN.com, and it's in video. I have to ask my boyfriend to "interp" for
me, but even in that method, there's some information that gets lost in
translation.
   Anyone want to translate Robert's 3 min video?? :-D
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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Thu May 31 19:23:54 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:23:54 -0400
Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and
	videointerview. Available.
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzEzScA
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><000001c79a28$0cb7cd10$6501a8c0@Inspiron><p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83><a6673b8d0705191518x59d9db94re55f188c747cded7@mail.gmail.com><021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch><p06230914c27649ee5f84@[130.126.29.83]><BFEAD234-967B-40A8-96F3-5F379A0B7541@gmail.com><p0623092fc27a693f2d88@[130.126.29.84]><003801c7a057$ddae8730$6402a8c0@Delletje><p0623095bc2821da91e3f@[130.126.29.84]><004701c7a240$54f07580$6402a8c0@Delletje><p0623095fc2825e63499c@[130.126.29.84]>AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIyEticA	<00a201c7a2f1$b93959b0$6501a8c0@Inspiron><0e5e01c7a351$09347620$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzEzScA
Message-ID: <004501c7a3da$c3455f50$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

Soon as I see him on chat I let him know.  Talking about Eric.  To see this.
I told him I would push for it.  He was excited when I told them that and I
have been.  Hopefully let me work in us work with him more on the upcoming
version he as.

Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 5:16 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and
videointerview. Available.

Indeed -- let's all keep up the fight, as there is clearly much work 
to be done. Yeah, we should forward this video to Eric at Ominous so 
he can see that we are still promo-ing his game! :)

Michelle

>Great video, Robert - I'll blog about it soon. Nice to see Strange 
>Attractors get a showing too! Keep up the fight!
>
>Barrie
>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Florio"
<arthit73 at cablespeed.com>
>To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:35 PM
>Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and 
>videointerview. Available.
>
>>Below are the links to the Washington Post story of my school PR hooked
up.
>>Art Institute online.  She is amazing.  She is setting up some really big
>>things also.  More.  I'll let you know when I get a definite.  Check it
out
>>below.
>>
>>Robert
>>www.RobertFlorio.com
>>
>>
>>
>>Hey Robert -
>>
>>
>>
>>Here's your story in the Washington Post-
>>
>>Great video story also.
>>
>>
>>
>>Games as Therapy for Walter Reed's Wounded
>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/26/AR20070526
00
>>144.html
>>By Mike Musgrove
>>@Play, Technology Columnist
>>
>>
>>Video: Once a Gamer, Always a Gamer (3+ min video)
>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/04/06/VI2007040601
24
>>6.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From malkyne at gmail.com  Thu May 31 19:24:58 2007
From: malkyne at gmail.com (Tess Snider)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:24:58 -0500
Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and
	videointerview. Available.
In-Reply-To: <p06230910c284eb65cf57@130.126.29.38>
References: <006501c7995f$f62289f0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<p06230907c27511d4e756@130.126.29.83>
	<021101c79ac6$2b5bff40$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<p06230914c27649ee5f84@130.126.29.83>
	<p0623092fc27a693f2d88@130.126.29.84>
	<p0623095bc2821da91e3f@130.126.29.84>
	<p0623095fc2825e63499c@130.126.29.84>
	<00a201c7a2f1$b93959b0$6501a8c0@Inspiron>
	<0e5e01c7a351$09347620$0302a8c0@OneSwitch>
	<p06230910c284eb65cf57@130.126.29.38>
Message-ID: <a29106ae0705311624g76dc3884j3e6fc278754ab9cf@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, I just stumbled on Robert's video on the Post earlier today, and
it reminded me that I'd somehow fallen out of the loop on the SIG!
I've been ranting about accessibility problems and opening bug reports
all week, anyway, so I was all ready to come back, as it was.  There
is fruit on the accessibility tree that is so low-hanging, it's
practically jumping into your hand, and yet some people still fail to
pick it.

Did I see you using a TrackIR in the video, Robert?  I have one of
those, and bring it into work sometimes, so people can try it out.  I
think it helps a lot to get people actually using alternative input
devices, so they can see what they're like, and what they can do to
accommodate them.

Since I've been out of the loop for a while, I have to wonder: Has
anyone ever considered putting together a paralympic gaming
tournament?

Tess


From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Thu May 31 19:27:53 2007
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:27:53 -0400
Subject: [games_access] top-secret update. Saturday 2:30 p.m. Pacific time
	David Perry meeting.
In-Reply-To: AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzEzScA
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	AAAAADBf8GSYa4xDlD4sBa5lcIzEzScA
Message-ID: <004601c7a3db$518c8f40$6501a8c0@Inspiron>

We are having another chat meeting this time 100 people maximum, get there
early, David Perry and Russell in charge of the game will answer our
questions live verbally as we type them in.

If you're signed into top-secret come join us check out the announcements
threads for information.

If you're signed and also we now have an entire map to map out progress and
all of the steps.  Check out the announcements threads.

The web site below to join and find out more.

Read also Roberts community spotlight involvement interview as one of the
leading members in the game's progress.  Link is below.  Also check out some
of the other spotlights.
http://www.videogameteam.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&i
d=90&Itemid=1 


Homepage information.  Joining.
http://www.videogameteam.com/joomla/  

Robert
www.RobertFlorio.com   

-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of d. michelle hinn
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 5:16 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and
videointerview. Available.

Indeed -- let's all keep up the fight, as there is clearly much work 
to be done. Yeah, we should forward this video to Eric at Ominous so 
he can see that we are still promo-ing his game! :)

Michelle

>Great video, Robert - I'll blog about it soon. Nice to see Strange 
>Attractors get a showing too! Keep up the fight!
>
>Barrie
>www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Florio"
<arthit73 at cablespeed.com>
>To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:35 PM
>Subject: [games_access] RobertFlorio Washington Post story and 
>videointerview. Available.
>
>>Below are the links to the Washington Post story of my school PR hooked
up.
>>Art Institute online.  She is amazing.  She is setting up some really big
>>things also.  More.  I'll let you know when I get a definite.  Check it
out
>>below.
>>
>>Robert
>>www.RobertFlorio.com
>>
>>
>>
>>Hey Robert -
>>
>>
>>
>>Here's your story in the Washington Post-
>>
>>Great video story also.
>>
>>
>>
>>Games as Therapy for Walter Reed's Wounded
>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/26/AR20070526
00
>>144.html
>>By Mike Musgrove
>>@Play, Technology Columnist
>>
>>
>>Video: Once a Gamer, Always a Gamer (3+ min video)
>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/04/06/VI2007040601
24
>>6.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From richard at audiogames.net  Thu May 31 19:31:40 2007
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 01:31:40 +0200
Subject: [games_access] fwd: touch screen games
References: <p0623090fc284eb2cc207@[130.126.29.38]>
	<014f01c7a3d2$f0205960$6402a8c0@Delletje>
Message-ID: <019201c7a3db$d75efb80$6402a8c0@Delletje>

Oh... and one second ago found this one - not a game, but interesting 
indeed:

http://www.microsoft.com/surface/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [games_access] fwd: touch screen games


> Hi,
>
> (Lynn, you are also on this list, right?)
>
> "I'm wondering if you know of anyone that is developing games for use on 
> interactive touch-screens or tables. "
>
> The HKU did several projects like that. Here are some of the ones that 
> came into mind first:
>
> Apart-Spel:
> http://www.apart-spel.nl/
> http://kmt.hku.nl/~xchange/magazijn03/09_03.html (dutch HKU link)
>
> Entertable/Entertaible games (HKU for Philips):
> http://www.research.philips.com/initiatives/entertaible/index.html
> http://kmt.hku.nl/~xchange/projecten/projmarkt2006/entertable.html (only 
> page I could find at HKU - only dutch, nothing much)
> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/ces/entertaible-lcdbased-board-gaming-from-philips-146788.php 
> (with pics of the HKU game)
>
> Verhalentafel ("storytable" - not to be confused with Storytable(c) from 
> The Waag Society):
> http://kmt.hku.nl/~xchange/projecten/verhalentafel/verhalentafel.html 
> (only dutch)
>
> Something like that or... ?
>
> Greets,
>
> Ries
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
> To: <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:22 PM
> Subject: [games_access] fwd: touch screen games
>
>
>> Forwarding from Lynn to the Women in Game Dev list, as I think a few 
>> might have some ideas here too.
>>
>> Indeed...America's Army game...I wish they'd involved more psychologists 
>> to help prep for the possibility of PTSD while they recruited soldiers. I 
>> can't even begin to imagine the psychological toll on some. Part of me 
>> wonders if games might not further traumatize but with the proper psych 
>> help it could be used as a desensitization tool. I just wish we lived in 
>> a world where such trauma didn't have to exist...
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>>>From: "Lynn Marentette" <lynnvm at carolina.rr.com>
>>>To: <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:49:25 -0400
>>>Organization: lynnmarentette
>>>Thread-index: Acei9WIbYKpPwCutRL+kLSMCps/DqwAmv4Tg
>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] women_dev Digest, Vol 32, Issue 50
>>>X-BeenThere: women_dev at igda.org
>>>Reply-To: lynnvm at carolina.rr.com,
>>>         women in game development forum <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>  Hi.
>>>
>>>I'm wondering if you know of anyone that is developing games for use on
>>>interactive touch-screens or tables.
>>>I recently learned about  Microsoft Research about "Surface Computing" 
>>>and
>>>posted a demo from CNET/YouTube  on one of my blogs at
>>>http://interactivemultimediatechnology.blogspot.com.
>>>
>>>If you scroll down on my blog, you'll see some video demos of what I 
>>>worked
>>>on for my projects last semester in my Human-Computer Interaction and
>>>Ubiquitous Computing classes.  The demos are on a wall-mounted touch 
>>>screen,
>>>since I couldn't get my hands on a touch-table.  The applications aren't
>>>games, but could be used as the basis for educational games.  Since I'm a
>>>school psychologist, I'd like to develop educational/edutainment games 
>>>for
>>>interactive surfaces, especially for "at-risk" students and students who
>>>have special needs, including those with autism spectrum disorders.
>>>
>>>I also think that therapeutic games designed for interactive touch-tables
>>>would be an effective, relatively inexpensive way to assist young people
>>>coming back from Iraq who have PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) and
>>>those who have TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury).
>>>
>>>Most of the young people in Iraq were gamers before they enlisted. Some 
>>>were
>>>hooked into dreams of the military life through games such as "America's
>>>Army".   Why not use games to support our troops to help their transition
>>>back home?
>>>
>>>Please let me know what you think.
>>>
>>>Lynn Marentette
>>>
>>>TechPsych
>>>Interactive Multimedia Technology
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
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>>>Behalf Of women_dev-request at igda.org
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>>>    1. Has anyone seen this? (Tamir Nadav)
>>>    2. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Glyn Heatley)
>>>    3. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Jane Pinckard)
>>>    4. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Nancy Berman)
>>>    5. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Glyn Heatley)
>>>    6. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Daisy Pilbrow)
>>>    7. Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Theresa)
>>>    8. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Nancy Berman)
>>>    9. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Aery)
>>>   10. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Danielle Vanderlip)
>>>   11. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Aery)
>>>   12. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (wendeth at wendydespain.com)
>>>
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>Message: 1
>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:27:30 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
>>>From: Tamir Nadav <theaquaticjew at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>Message-ID: <465D97E2.000025.00516 at BARAD-DUR>
>>>Content-Type: Text/Plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>>http://www.codemasters.com/dirtydancing/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>It just seems... odd... I don't know what to think about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----------
>>>
>>>The Aquatic Jew... for JUSTICE!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- Tamir Nadav
>>>
>>>The Aquatic Jew
>>>
>>>619.985.1054
>>>
>>>Tamir.Nadav at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>Message: 2
>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:33:35 -0400
>>>From: "Glyn Heatley" <glyn.heatley at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>Message-ID:
>>> <871e1ded0705300833p702698c7yc9b9c7ea857378ea at mail.gmail.com>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>>>
>>>In Canada at least they are milking this IP for all it is worth. I think
>>>that it is a 20th anniversary or something, but I keep seeing DVD 
>>>releases,
>>>etc on TV.
>>>
>>>On 5/30/07, Tamir Nadav <theaquaticjew at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  http://www.codemasters.com/dirtydancing/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  It just seems... odd... I don't know what to think about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  ----------
>>>>
>>>>  The Aquatic Jew... for JUSTICE!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  - Tamir Nadav
>>>>
>>>>  The Aquatic Jew
>>>>
>>>>  619.985.1054
>>>>
>>>>  Tamir.Nadav at gmail.com
>>>>
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>>>
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>>>Message: 3
>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:34:02 -0700
>>>From: "Jane Pinckard" <miyukijane at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>Message-ID:
>>> <8f983c350705300934k64075261ode0d8809c6d33374 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>jane pinckard
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>>>Message: 4
>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:54:52 -0700
>>>From: "Nancy Berman" <nancy at deryabar.net>
>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>Message-ID: <00b701c7a2db$3e327460$6700a8c0 at Deryabar>
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>>>
>>>http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/05/30
>>>
>>>Nancy
>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>   From: Jane Pinckard
>>>   To: women in game development forum
>>>   Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:34 AM
>>>   Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>>
>>>
>>>   wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   --
>>>   jane pinckard
>>>   www.gamegirladvance.com
>>>
>>>
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>>>Message: 5
>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:13:38 -0400
>>>From: "Glyn Heatley" <glyn.heatley at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>Message-ID:
>>> <871e1ded0705301013n5c6db463q244228910882577a at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>
>>>Ummm. Male, straight, no interest in El Swayze at all. After all he is no 
>>>De
>>>Niro or McKellern with his acting ability.
>>>
>>>@ Nancy. Now I'll have nightmares. ;)
>>>
>>>On 5/30/07, Jane Pinckard <miyukijane at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>  >
>>>>  wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>>>  jane pinckard
>>>>  www.gamegirladvance.com
>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>  women_dev mailing list
>>>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>regards,
>>>
>>>Glyn Heatley
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>>>Message: 6
>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:19:21 -0400
>>>From: "Daisy Pilbrow" <daisy.pilbrow at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>Message-ID:
>>> <5ebcea800705301019k3d08f0cbt9f8eddfc93b401b8 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>
>>>"but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?"
>>>
>>>
>>>Oh, I don't know... I imagine a CGI Swayze falling prey to the Uncanny
>>>Valley theory could be pretty horrifying (remember "The Polar Express" - 
>>>I
>>>couldn't look at Tom Hanks for months after that one).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Daisy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 5/30/07, Jane Pinckard <miyukijane at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>>>  jane pinckard
>>>>  www.gamegirladvance.com
>>>>  _______________________________________________
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>>>Message: 7
>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:04:36 -0700
>>>From: Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>Message-ID:
>>> <8306a7bc0705301204m1039fb4fo1db86c58912fd9f8 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>
>>>I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on the
>>>Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>
>>>http://www.mega64.com/
>>>
>>>- Theresa
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>>>Message: 8
>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:23:10 -0700
>>>From: "Nancy Berman" <nancy at deryabar.net>
>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>Message-ID: <010701c7a2ef$f5c30270$6700a8c0 at Deryabar>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>>Words fail me.
>>>
>>>Nancy
>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>   From: Theresa
>>>   To: women in game development forum
>>>   Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:04 PM
>>>   Subject: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>>
>>>
>>>   I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on 
>>> the
>>>Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>
>>>   http://www.mega64.com/
>>>
>>>   - Theresa
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>Message: 9
>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:55:03 -0500
>>>From: Aery <aerynea at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>Message-ID:
>>> <fdb4b7700705301255n5e17bebdv49b07374bcc7d497 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>
>>>I think I am horrified!
>>>
>>>On 5/30/07, Nancy Berman <nancy at deryabar.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Words fail me.
>>>>
>>>>  Nancy
>>>>
>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>  *From:* Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com>
>>>>  *To:* women in game development forum <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>>  *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:04 PM
>>>  > *Subject:* [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on 
>>>> the
>>>>  Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>>
>>>>  http://www.mega64.com/
>>>>
>>>>  - Theresa
>>>>
>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>
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>>>Message: 10
>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:56:47 -0700
>>>From: "Danielle Vanderlip" <sachant at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>Message-ID:
>>> <1559fec50705301256x7cef0391jcae9bd853c93bb2 at mail.gmail.com>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>>>
>>>I was eating lunch when I watched that.  My appetite is gone.
>>>
>>>On 5/30/07, Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on 
>>>> the
>>>>  Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>>
>>>>  http://www.mega64.com/
>>>>
>>>>  - Theresa
>>>>
>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>  women_dev mailing list
>>>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
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>>>>
>>>
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>>>Message: 11
>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:59:23 -0500
>>>From: Aery <aerynea at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>Message-ID:
>>> <fdb4b7700705301259l3433b4feie435834ec1f26378 at mail.gmail.com>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>>>
>>>I can't believe I waited like 8 minutes for it to buffer!
>>>
>>>On 5/30/07, Danielle Vanderlip <sachant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I was eating lunch when I watched that.  My appetite is gone.
>>>>
>>>>   On 5/30/07, Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  > I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on 
>>>> the
>>>>  > Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>>  >
>>>>  > http://www.mega64.com/
>>>>  >
>>>>  > - Theresa
>>>>  >
>>>>  > _______________________________________________
>>>>  > women_dev mailing list
>>>>  > women_dev at igda.org
>>>>  > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
>>>>  >
>>>>  >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>>>  Danielle Vanderlip
>>>>  _______________________________________________
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>>>Message: 12
>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:01:08 -0700 (PDT)
>>>From: wendeth at wendydespain.com
>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>Message-ID:
>>> <3117.69.144.84.21.1180555268.squirrel at webmail.wendydespain.com>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>>>
>>>imho, it was awesome.
>>>
>>>WD
>>>
>>>>  I can't believe I waited like 8 minutes for it to buffer!
>>>>
>>>>  On 5/30/07, Danielle Vanderlip <sachant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I was eating lunch when I watched that.  My appetite is gone.
>>>>>
>>>>>   On 5/30/07, Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  > I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken
>>>>>  on the
>>>>>  > Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > http://www.mega64.com/
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > - Theresa
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > _______________________________________________
>>>>>  > women_dev mailing list
>>>>>  > women_dev at igda.org
>>>>>  > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
>>>  >> >
>>>>>  >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  --
>>>>>  Danielle Vanderlip
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>  women_dev mailing list
>>>>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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From richard at audiogames.net  Thu May 31 20:16:55 2007
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 02:16:55 +0200
Subject: [games_access] fwd: touch screen games
References: <p0623090fc284eb2cc207@[130.126.29.38]><014f01c7a3d2$f0205960$6402a8c0@Delletje>
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Oops... didn't look at your blog yet when I posted this ;)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [games_access] fwd: touch screen games


> Oh... and one second ago found this one - not a game, but interesting 
> indeed:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/surface/
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [games_access] fwd: touch screen games
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> (Lynn, you are also on this list, right?)
>>
>> "I'm wondering if you know of anyone that is developing games for use on 
>> interactive touch-screens or tables. "
>>
>> The HKU did several projects like that. Here are some of the ones that 
>> came into mind first:
>>
>> Apart-Spel:
>> http://www.apart-spel.nl/
>> http://kmt.hku.nl/~xchange/magazijn03/09_03.html (dutch HKU link)
>>
>> Entertable/Entertaible games (HKU for Philips):
>> http://www.research.philips.com/initiatives/entertaible/index.html
>> http://kmt.hku.nl/~xchange/projecten/projmarkt2006/entertable.html (only 
>> page I could find at HKU - only dutch, nothing much)
>> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/ces/entertaible-lcdbased-board-gaming-from-philips-146788.php 
>> (with pics of the HKU game)
>>
>> Verhalentafel ("storytable" - not to be confused with Storytable(c) from 
>> The Waag Society):
>> http://kmt.hku.nl/~xchange/projecten/verhalentafel/verhalentafel.html 
>> (only dutch)
>>
>> Something like that or... ?
>>
>> Greets,
>>
>> Ries
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>> To: <games_access at igda.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:22 PM
>> Subject: [games_access] fwd: touch screen games
>>
>>
>>> Forwarding from Lynn to the Women in Game Dev list, as I think a few 
>>> might have some ideas here too.
>>>
>>> Indeed...America's Army game...I wish they'd involved more psychologists 
>>> to help prep for the possibility of PTSD while they recruited soldiers. 
>>> I can't even begin to imagine the psychological toll on some. Part of me 
>>> wonders if games might not further traumatize but with the proper psych 
>>> help it could be used as a desensitization tool. I just wish we lived in 
>>> a world where such trauma didn't have to exist...
>>>
>>> Michelle
>>>
>>>>From: "Lynn Marentette" <lynnvm at carolina.rr.com>
>>>>To: <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>>Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:49:25 -0400
>>>>Organization: lynnmarentette
>>>>Thread-index: Acei9WIbYKpPwCutRL+kLSMCps/DqwAmv4Tg
>>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] women_dev Digest, Vol 32, Issue 50
>>>>X-BeenThere: women_dev at igda.org
>>>>Reply-To: lynnvm at carolina.rr.com,
>>>>         women in game development forum <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>>  Hi.
>>>>
>>>>I'm wondering if you know of anyone that is developing games for use on
>>>>interactive touch-screens or tables.
>>>>I recently learned about  Microsoft Research about "Surface Computing" 
>>>>and
>>>>posted a demo from CNET/YouTube  on one of my blogs at
>>>>http://interactivemultimediatechnology.blogspot.com.
>>>>
>>>>If you scroll down on my blog, you'll see some video demos of what I 
>>>>worked
>>>>on for my projects last semester in my Human-Computer Interaction and
>>>>Ubiquitous Computing classes.  The demos are on a wall-mounted touch 
>>>>screen,
>>>>since I couldn't get my hands on a touch-table.  The applications aren't
>>>>games, but could be used as the basis for educational games.  Since I'm 
>>>>a
>>>>school psychologist, I'd like to develop educational/edutainment games 
>>>>for
>>>>interactive surfaces, especially for "at-risk" students and students who
>>>>have special needs, including those with autism spectrum disorders.
>>>>
>>>>I also think that therapeutic games designed for interactive 
>>>>touch-tables
>>>>would be an effective, relatively inexpensive way to assist young people
>>>>coming back from Iraq who have PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) and
>>>>those who have TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury).
>>>>
>>>>Most of the young people in Iraq were gamers before they enlisted. Some 
>>>>were
>>>>hooked into dreams of the military life through games such as "America's
>>>>Army".   Why not use games to support our troops to help their 
>>>>transition
>>>>back home?
>>>>
>>>>Please let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>>Lynn Marentette
>>>>
>>>>TechPsych
>>>>Interactive Multimedia Technology
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: women_dev-bounces at igda.org [mailto:women_dev-bounces at igda.org] On
>>>>Behalf Of women_dev-request at igda.org
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:01 PM
>>>>To: women_dev at igda.org
>>>>Subject: women_dev Digest, Vol 32, Issue 50
>>>>
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>>>>Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>>    1. Has anyone seen this? (Tamir Nadav)
>>>>    2. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Glyn Heatley)
>>>>    3. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Jane Pinckard)
>>>>    4. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Nancy Berman)
>>>>    5. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Glyn Heatley)
>>>>    6. Re: Has anyone seen this? (Daisy Pilbrow)
>>>>    7. Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Theresa)
>>>>    8. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Nancy Berman)
>>>>    9. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Aery)
>>>>   10. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Danielle Vanderlip)
>>>>   11. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (Aery)
>>>>   12. Re: Sexy64 - Male Gamer group (wendeth at wendydespain.com)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>Message: 1
>>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:27:30 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
>>>>From: Tamir Nadav <theaquaticjew at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>>Message-ID: <465D97E2.000025.00516 at BARAD-DUR>
>>>>Content-Type: Text/Plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>>http://www.codemasters.com/dirtydancing/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It just seems... odd... I don't know what to think about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----------
>>>>
>>>>The Aquatic Jew... for JUSTICE!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>- Tamir Nadav
>>>>
>>>>The Aquatic Jew
>>>>
>>>>619.985.1054
>>>>
>>>>Tamir.Nadav at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>Message: 2
>>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:33:35 -0400
>>>>From: "Glyn Heatley" <glyn.heatley at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>>Message-ID:
>>>> <871e1ded0705300833p702698c7yc9b9c7ea857378ea at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>>>>
>>>>In Canada at least they are milking this IP for all it is worth. I think
>>>>that it is a 20th anniversary or something, but I keep seeing DVD 
>>>>releases,
>>>>etc on TV.
>>>>
>>>>On 5/30/07, Tamir Nadav <theaquaticjew at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://www.codemasters.com/dirtydancing/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  It just seems... odd... I don't know what to think about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  ----------
>>>>>
>>>>>  The Aquatic Jew... for JUSTICE!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  - Tamir Nadav
>>>>>
>>>>>  The Aquatic Jew
>>>>>
>>>>>  619.985.1054
>>>>>
>>>>>  Tamir.Nadav at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>  women_dev mailing list
>>>>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>regards,
>>>>
>>>>Glyn Heatley
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>>>>Message: 3
>>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:34:02 -0700
>>>>From: "Jane Pinckard" <miyukijane at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>>Message-ID:
>>>> <8f983c350705300934k64075261ode0d8809c6d33374 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>jane pinckard
>>>>www.gamegirladvance.com
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>>>>Message: 4
>>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:54:52 -0700
>>>>From: "Nancy Berman" <nancy at deryabar.net>
>>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>>Message-ID: <00b701c7a2db$3e327460$6700a8c0 at Deryabar>
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>>>>http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/05/30
>>>>
>>>>Nancy
>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>   From: Jane Pinckard
>>>>   To: women in game development forum
>>>>   Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:34 AM
>>>>   Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   --
>>>>   jane pinckard
>>>>   www.gamegirladvance.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>Message: 5
>>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:13:38 -0400
>>>>From: "Glyn Heatley" <glyn.heatley at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>>Message-ID:
>>>> <871e1ded0705301013n5c6db463q244228910882577a at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>Ummm. Male, straight, no interest in El Swayze at all. After all he is 
>>>>no De
>>>>Niro or McKellern with his acting ability.
>>>>
>>>>@ Nancy. Now I'll have nightmares. ;)
>>>>
>>>>On 5/30/07, Jane Pinckard <miyukijane at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>  >
>>>>>  wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  --
>>>>>  jane pinckard
>>>>>  www.gamegirladvance.com
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>  women_dev mailing list
>>>>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>regards,
>>>>
>>>>Glyn Heatley
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>>>>Message: 6
>>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:19:21 -0400
>>>>From: "Daisy Pilbrow" <daisy.pilbrow at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Has anyone seen this?
>>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>>Message-ID:
>>>> <5ebcea800705301019k3d08f0cbt9f8eddfc93b401b8 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>"but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Oh, I don't know... I imagine a CGI Swayze falling prey to the Uncanny
>>>>Valley theory could be pretty horrifying (remember "The Polar Express" - 
>>>>I
>>>>couldn't look at Tom Hanks for months after that one).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Daisy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 5/30/07, Jane Pinckard <miyukijane at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  wow. but how can you go wrong with The Swayze?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  --
>>>>>  jane pinckard
>>>>>  www.gamegirladvance.com
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>  women_dev mailing list
>>>>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
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>>>>Message: 7
>>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:04:36 -0700
>>>>From: Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>>Message-ID:
>>>> <8306a7bc0705301204m1039fb4fo1db86c58912fd9f8 at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
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>>>>I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on the
>>>>Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.mega64.com/
>>>>
>>>>- Theresa
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>>>>Message: 8
>>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:23:10 -0700
>>>>From: "Nancy Berman" <nancy at deryabar.net>
>>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>>Message-ID: <010701c7a2ef$f5c30270$6700a8c0 at Deryabar>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>>Words fail me.
>>>>
>>>>Nancy
>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>   From: Theresa
>>>>   To: women in game development forum
>>>>   Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:04 PM
>>>>   Subject: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on 
>>>> the
>>>>Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>>
>>>>   http://www.mega64.com/
>>>>
>>>>   - Theresa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>
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>>>>Message: 9
>>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:55:03 -0500
>>>>From: Aery <aerynea at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>>Message-ID:
>>>> <fdb4b7700705301255n5e17bebdv49b07374bcc7d497 at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
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>>>>I think I am horrified!
>>>>
>>>>On 5/30/07, Nancy Berman <nancy at deryabar.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   Words fail me.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Nancy
>>>>>
>>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>  *From:* Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com>
>>>>>  *To:* women in game development forum <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>>>  *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:04 PM
>>>>  > *Subject:* [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on 
>>>>> the
>>>>>  Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://www.mega64.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>  - Theresa
>>>>>
>>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>  women_dev mailing list
>>>>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>  women_dev mailing list
>>>>>  women_dev at igda.org
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>>>>Message: 10
>>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:56:47 -0700
>>>>From: "Danielle Vanderlip" <sachant at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>>Message-ID:
>>>> <1559fec50705301256x7cef0391jcae9bd853c93bb2 at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>>>>
>>>>I was eating lunch when I watched that.  My appetite is gone.
>>>>
>>>>On 5/30/07, Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken on 
>>>>> the
>>>>>  Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://www.mega64.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>  - Theresa
>>>>>
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>  women_dev mailing list
>>>>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>Message: 11
>>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:59:23 -0500
>>>>From: Aery <aerynea at gmail.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>>Message-ID:
>>>> <fdb4b7700705301259l3433b4feie435834ec1f26378 at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>>>>
>>>>I can't believe I waited like 8 minutes for it to buffer!
>>>>
>>>>On 5/30/07, Danielle Vanderlip <sachant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I was eating lunch when I watched that.  My appetite is gone.
>>>>>
>>>>>   On 5/30/07, Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  > I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken 
>>>>> on the
>>>>>  > Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > http://www.mega64.com/
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > - Theresa
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > _______________________________________________
>>>>>  > women_dev mailing list
>>>>>  > women_dev at igda.org
>>>>>  > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  --
>>>>>  Danielle Vanderlip
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>  women_dev mailing list
>>>>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
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>>>>Message: 12
>>>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:01:08 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>From: wendeth at wendydespain.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [women_dev] Sexy64 - Male Gamer group
>>>>To: "women in game development forum" <women_dev at igda.org>
>>>>Message-ID:
>>>> <3117.69.144.84.21.1180555268.squirrel at webmail.wendydespain.com>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>>>>
>>>>imho, it was awesome.
>>>>
>>>>WD
>>>>
>>>>>  I can't believe I waited like 8 minutes for it to buffer!
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 5/30/07, Danielle Vanderlip <sachant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I was eating lunch when I watched that.  My appetite is gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   On 5/30/07, Theresa <talbarran at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  > I'm sure some of you have already seen this, but Mega64 has taken
>>>>>>  on the
>>>>>>  > Frag Dolls/PMS Clan/etc/etc with their latest video:
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  > http://www.mega64.com/
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  > - Theresa
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  > _______________________________________________
>>>>>>  > women_dev mailing list
>>>>>>  > women_dev at igda.org
>>>>>>  > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
>>>>  >> >
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>  Danielle Vanderlip
>>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>>  women_dev mailing list
>>>>>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>>>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>  women_dev mailing list
>>>>>  women_dev at igda.org
>>>>>  http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/women_dev
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu May 31 21:53:32 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:53:32 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Thinking about GDC 08's competition
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Heh -- this was probably a lost in translation/bad explanation on my 
part bit -- the "ax the reality show thing" was meant to mean don't 
do a game show thing at all!

We "can't" use design challenge...but that doesn't stop us from 
coming pretty darn close to the same words...errr...Challenge: 
Design! ;)

Another idea I had was...design for Helen Keller...now doing 
something accessible for the deaf AND blind...now that is a 
challenge...and the person that can design something cool around that 
will help solve the catch 22 issue where doing something that helps 
the deaf might mess up something for the blind with regard to 
accessibility. This also puts us in more competition with Eric Z and 
his poetry/peace prize/needle and thread challenges...

I was also thinking that the person should be able to also play it 
with non-disabled friends...perhaps over the top? But still...the 
social aspect of gaming is SO important.

I *REALLY* want to give the challenge another try because I think 
we're onto something -- we just need to rethink it! And I want our 
sessions to be fun -- we don't have to be comedians (as we know 
now...we're not) to create a couple hour long presentations.

And...(now back to game shows, only different)

I also like the "Translation: Accessibility" idea where we have a, 
for example, what closed captioning means for the non-hearing 
impaired. Eelke -- perhaps since you put the article out on 
Gamasutra, you'd like to lead some kind of session on this that is 
also SIG sponsored? Perhaps it could be more than a lecture -- did 
you see Microsoft's "usability game show" at CHI in Austria? We could 
toss out some fun prizes to those that come up with something not on 
the list -- that way the audience is more engaged. I can see this as 
a high energy and fun, engaging session.

OK...More ideas!!!

Michelle

>Hi,
>
>I agree with all of the competitors advice. I would also like to add 
>"no game show theme next time"? A theme is good, but something cool, 
>not corny? Michelle, I like all of your suggestions so far. I would 
>prefer to have a good, 3rd party host and Raph seems like a good 
>person for that. And I guess fitting in his own entry is cool?
>
>But, ok, what still seems missing is:
>
>1) theme / title of the design challenge. Can we still use "design 
>challenge" in the title?
>2) basically along with the theme, the target impaired audience? Our 
>options are:
>
>- game for one specific game handicap
>- game for a game handicap of choice
>- game for one out of a selection of game handicaps (the list we make)
>
>But maybe we can try something completely different/less obvious 
>instead. As I read Eelke's (excellent) Gamasutra article today, I 
>was thinking about handicaps caused by impairments and the same 
>handicaps not caused by impairments. Example: deaf gamers encounter 
>the same problems as gamers in a loud environment (LAN party/mother 
>vacuming/arcade/on the train) as gamers that play a mobile game and 
>intentionally turn the sound off. Another one is: gamers with 
>parkinson encounter the same problem as gamers on a plane with 
>turbulence. Another one is: gamers trying to play with a DS or a PSP 
>in a sunny environment (as I tried in the Dominican Republic for 2 
>weeks) encounter the same problem as visually impaired gamers. etc. 
>etc. For more examples, see Eelke's article.
>
>Maybe we could make sort of a game-handicap list, where each problem 
>is linked to both a bodily impairment *and* a likely situation that 
>a non-impaired gamer can also encounter. So the parkinson/airplane 
>disability (although there's probably also the gamer with parkinson 
>on a plane with turbulence-disability). This is also where we could 
>can some fun in, for instance:
>
>disability: game speed is to fast
>people who encounter this issue: gamers with a physical impairment 
>that does not allow for fast reactions, hippies
>
>disability: cannot hear game audio
>people who encounter this issue: deaf gamers, grannies, gamers who 
>visited Ozzfest 2007
>
>Err... ?
>
>And I guess I still want Hugh Heffner to showcase his Playboy 
>Mansion game to see how well he handles the controls at his age. And 
>I like celebrity handicapped people: Michael J Fox showing how he 
>plays with the DS having Parkinson?
>
>Just some random thought. Next please!
>
>Ries
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:11 PM
>Subject: [games_access] Thinking about GDC 08's competition
>
>>Hey guys,
>>
>>So I'm working on next year's design challenge for GDC and I'm 
>>taking the advise of the competitors from 07 into consideration:
>>
>>* Keep it to one hour
>>* No judges at all -- if judges have questions about why they felt 
>>that way...I'll email you off-list
>>* Include accessibility "extra info" between the contestants or do 
>>it all up front
>>* NO VIDEOS unless they are realllllllllly good and reallllllllllly 
>>short (we left people in the dark with our video as fun as it was 
>>to make it wasn't nearly as hilarious in real life) :)
>>* Keep things more serious without being boring
>>* Ax the "reality show" idea
>>* Cut down the number of contestants to 3
>>
>>So right now I'm talking to people who might be involved -- Raph 
>>Koster (wrote "theory of fun") is interested in either being a 
>>contestant or being "mini" presenter on the challenges of 
>>accessibility and fun (those of you at GDC 07 probably remember 
>>that we were up against him so maybe if we get everyone famous 
>>somehow involved...hehe) and then Will Wright, Dave Perry and Keita 
>>Takahashi who said they were interested for 08 -- I'm imagining all 
>>will not say "yes." Raph is really interested in being involved in 
>>some manner. I'd like for them to be involved during even the early 
>>stages so that we can present a coherent show. So I'd to have the 
>>spirit of being a publisher with many competing design studios and 
>>only one will get the "go" in a "go/no go" audience vote (this was 
>>Noah's suggestion). So the contestants would have "checking in" 
>>meetings with us as they go (to prevent "non-game 
>>presentations...we had a few") and such. And I'm imagining that all 
>>contestants would have "accessibility mentors" assigned to them 
>>from the SIG to make things even more challenging and fun for all 
>>of us and get us all involved.
>>
>>So this isn't THE proposal...I'm just still riffing on some ideas. 
>>So YOUR opinion counts so please do give it! None of last year's 
>>contestants said that we should drop the whole idea -- but instead 
>>change it and do it in a way that seems much more put together.
>>
>>So let's go! Let's think about our cool street cred session that 
>>might get people in the door for an hour and then get them to come 
>>to the expo for more! Let's think about how we can have the 
>>coolest, yet non-hospital inducing sessions to raise the roof!!!!
>>
>>Michelle
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu May 31 22:03:39 2007
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (d. michelle hinn)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:03:39 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Michelle's annoyance...:-)
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Yep, I know you know what I'm talking about! I was in a crowded cafe 
and my sound card on my laptop's been pretty crappy lately so I was 
trying to listen through those stupid tiny ear phone things you stuff 
in your ear and I was so fed up! It *really* doesn't take much to 
understand how annoying lack of CC is...which is why I wonder why 
other people can't really *get it.*

Actually, there is some great qualitative research software that 
allows you to caption research videos (like focus groups and such) 
and those are the same data format so many of the CNN.com, etc news 
bits are in. Hmm...I wonder if those people that make the software 
wouldn't mind knowing about another angle they could sell their 
product as...after all, selling to a bunch of professors cannot be 
where the real money's at. ;)

Anyone with a better sound card want to translate Robert's video? :)

Michelle

>LOL! About time someone understands with the lack of CC in News bits 
>and stuff. I have no idea how hard it is to implement captioning in 
>web videos, but I would think that it's almost impossible. Reason 
>behind this is because TV shows and movies have big bucks, so they 
>pay the National Captioning Institute to caption these.
>    However, having someone upload a video is out of their hands 
>because it's independent? Think of YouTube...impossible to spend the 
>time to caption all of these.
>      The only times that I'm very annoyed is when I see a story 
>being stated on CNN.com, and it's in video. I have to ask my 
>boyfriend to "interp" for me, but even in that method, there's some 
>information that gets lost in translation.
>    Anyone want to translate Robert's 3 min video?? :-D
>
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