[games_access] language thread, was The Human Controller

Wed Jun 11 13:23:55 EDT 2008

Partly true.

I think now would be a good time to address issues from a social rights standpoint to inform members and non-members of the SIG (while the can still google the information).

My quick is that I rarely see social rights equate to equal rights and that's what I think [a] cause [and any special interest group for a cause] moreso than the use of language.  Language is often an external barrier while the former, social rights, issue is can rear its head as a deconstructive internal barrier to the people a special interest group is trying to reach.

From: barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.ukTo: games_access at igda.orgDate: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:59:12 +0100Subject: Re: [games_access] language thread, was The Human Controller

Language is a contentious issue and I respect that you have a different opinion, Matthias. I just personally feel that certain phrases don't particularly tie up with disability rights - which is what the Game Accessibility movement is all about to my mind. I still feel that you are approaching this field from a Medical standpoint - rather that a Social rights stand point.

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Matthias Troup 
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Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] language thread, was The Human Controller
Kestrel, Perhaps I (and others) read it as this:  If these are people without disabilities in the offensive sense... who aren't suffering in their environment... what would they need help with, and why would anyone be helping?  I think Eitans choice of words is fine since his cause was a constructive effort for accessibility.  At least, I feel hints of emotion help make any thesis a little less dry.> From: kestrell at panix.com> To: games_access at igda.org> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:57:14 -0400> Subject: [games_access] language thread, was The Human Controller> > Regarding appropriate language, I'm not sure I see where you are disagreeing > with my original post. I used the word "disability," and the site you linked > to, which the wonderful BBC online disability magazine, Ouch!, also uses the > word "disability." I totally agree with the list provided in the article as > being offensive words, including the word "special."> > Granted the fifth day of ninety degree weather here in Boston is melting my > brain, but what did I miss?> > Kes> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:54 AM> Subject: Re: [games_access] The Human Controller> > > > Hi Eitan,> >> > I actually disagree with Kestrell's "people first stand point" with > > "people with disabilities" (although I did used to use it myself). I've > > long since prefered "disabled people" linking to people being disabled by > > society / the inaccessibility of their environment.> >> > Take a look through this item: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3708576.stm.> > Plus this on the Social Model and Medical Model of diability: > > http://inclusion.uwe.ac.uk/inclusionweek/articles/socmod.htm> >> > Barrie> > www.OneSwitch.org.uk> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kestrell" <kestrell at panix.com>> > To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:42 PM> > Subject: Re: [games_access] The Human Controller> >> >> >> Eitan,> >>> >> I seem to have missed your original post in which you posted the link, > >> but here are some thoughts on language and disability:> >>> >> Certain words and phrases tend to really be button words, as in they will > >> typically hit many readers' buttons, and the phrase "suffering from" is > >> definitely one of those phrases. Often the phrase can be deleted > >> altogether, leaving the phrase "people with disabilities" or "people with > >> visual impairments" or "visually-impaired gamers," etc. The informal rule > >> is that the individuals you are discussing are "people first," as > >> mentioned in this online article> >> http://iod.unh.edu/press.html> >>> >> and here is a link which includes links to writing about disability, > >> language to use in interviewing people with disabilities, and more > >> resources> >> http://ncdj.org/links.html> >>> >> Kes> >>> >> ---- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Eitan Glinert" <glinert at mit.edu>> >> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:29 PM> >> Subject: Re: [games_access] The Human Controller> >>> >>> >>> Wow, awesome! Thanks for the feedback, I think you are the only person> >>> outside of MIT to have actually read this. Comments below.> >>> Eitan> >>>> >>> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Barrie Ellis> >>> <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk> wrote:> >>>> Hi Eitan,> >>>>> >>>> I've read through your thesis "The Human Controller"...> >>>>> >>>> Had these thoughts...> >>>>> >>>> Didn't like some of the language used. "Suffering from - impaired > >>>> people -> >>>> handicapped". All pretty crusty old terms with negative connotations.> >>>> >>>>>>EG: Point taken. Any suggestions for better terms?<<<> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Not sure about the controller analysis in Chapter 1 - there's been > >>>> Driving> >>>> controllers and light guns since the 70's for many games consoles - > >>>> which> >>>> are fairly natural feeling interfaces and have been popular in the > >>>> past.> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>>EG: I guess in chapter one I'm trying to draw general strokes about > >>>>>>UIs, saying that they generally weren't adopted by a mainstream > >>>>>>audience. Perhaps I should make this more explicit, though<<<> >>>> >>>> "Even if it is possible to remap controls it is not always advisable to > >>>> do> >>>> so. Frequently part of the fun of a game is the interface, and changing > >>>> it> >>>> without forethought is potentially detrimental. In the pervious example > >>>> of> >>>> Wii Sports tennis part of the fun is actually swinging the controller > >>>> as if> >>>> it were a racket. If this functionality were changed to pressing a > >>>> button> >>>> then much of the game's charm and fun would be lost.". I'm not happy > >>>> with> >>>> this statement personally - I'd like to see multiple-layers of > >>>> accessibility> >>>> (much like Dimitris "Parallel Universes" theory). Why can't a four > >>>> player> >>>> game of Wii Sports allow player 1 to use the Wii-remote - player 2 to > >>>> use a> >>>> standard JoyPad - player 3 to use a single button and player 4 to use > >>>> an> >>>> adapted Wii-remote with blue-tooth stereo head-set to relay > >>>> personalised> >>>> timing sounds (think of live singers having a click track that only > >>>> they can> >>>> hear) in an ideal world? You mention this type of thing later as if > >>>> it's a> >>>> good thing - so I find this early statement a bit overly negative.> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>>EG: I agree with what you say, which is why I discuss such themes in > >>>>>>chapter 2. I guess the reason I have that negative statement early on > >>>>>>is because I wanted to acknowledge the tradeoff early on, even before > >>>>>>I get to the sections on tradeoffs. I also wanted to make it clear > >>>>>>that I don't feel accessibility is a magic bullet, even if it is > >>>>>>almost always applicable.<<<> >>>> >>>> "Games have evolved tremendously over the past few decades, as > >>>> advancements> >>>> in technology have led to amazingly realistic and engaging offerings, > >>>> while> >>>> shifts in player demographics indicate the widespread popularity of > >>>> video> >>>> games. Despite these changes many different disabled groups are still > >>>> unable> >>>> to play most titles due to inaccessible UIs.." - Would argue that too. > >>>> I'd> >>>> agree that most Blind gamers would be in that boat (those with very > >>>> little> >>>> usable sight) - but a better statement might have been "many different> >>>> disabled groups are faced with deeply frustrating barriers with many> >>>> main-stream games". I know Deaf gamers might struggle at certain points > >>>> of> >>>> certain games - and gamers using a single button frequently have to > >>>> rely> >>>> upon a friend/helper to take on extra controls and so on - but they can> >>>> still play.> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>>EG: Good suggestion, thanks! I might make a change to the argument on > >>>>>>the online version.<<<> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Chaper 2> >>>>> >>>> "Game controls should be as simple as possible, but no simpler." - Not> >>>> really sure what you're saying here.> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>>EG: Simplicity is good, but you don't want to go overboard. You don't > >>>>>>want to cut out critical game elements or features in the name of a > >>>>>>"cleaner" UI. Maybe that's not clear? <<<> >>>> >>>>> >>>> 2.5 "a rhythm title like Guitar Hero which focuses on music will not > >>>> work> >>>> for the hearing impaired, and it is probably not possible to make an> >>>> accessible version." - I don't agree with this. Deaf gamers as a whole> >>>> covers a very broad range of hearing ability. There will be many deaf > >>>> gamers> >>>> perfectly able to play Guitar Hero. Even those unable to hear at all > >>>> might> >>>> enjoy such a game - did you see Deaf Gamers 8.5/10 review score:> >>>> http://www.deafgamers.com/07reviews_a/gh3_x360.html> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>>EG: Wow, I flubbed this one. I'm going to have to change the language > >>>>>>on this. Good catch, thanks!<<<> >>>> >>>> But aside from this, I frequently found myself in full agreement with > >>>> the> >>>> majority of your thesis - and did enjoy reading it. Thanks for making > >>>> it> >>>> publicly available.> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>>Great, thanks so much!<<<> >>>> >>>> Barrie> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eitan Glinert" <glinert at mit.edu>> >>>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 10:50 PM> >>>> Subject: [games_access] The Human Controller> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good news, everyone! In a surprise twist, I'm graduating! I know a lot> >>>>> of you are interested in my thesis, so you can check it out at> >>>>> web.mit.edu/glinert/www/thesis . I'm happy to answer questions about> >>>>> it, and I welcome feedback (both positive and negative). Special> >>>>> thanks to Dimitris, Eelke, Michelle, and Reid for all their help> >>>>> answering my questions over the months.> >>>>>> >>>>> In case you're not sure whether it is worth reading, here's some more> >>>>> info:> >>>>>> >>>>> TITLE: The Human Controller: Usability and Accessibility in Video Game> >>>>> Interfaces> >>>>>> >>>>> ABSTRACT:> >>>>> Despite the advances in user interfaces and the new gaming genres, not> >>>>> all people can play all games - disabled people are frequently> >>>>> excluded from game play experiences. On the one hand this adds to the> >>>>> list of discriminations disabled people face in our society, while on> >>>>> the other hand actively including them potentially results in games> >>>>> that are better for everyone. The largest hurdle to involvement is the> >>>>> user interface, or how a player interacts with the game. Analyzing> >>>>> usability and adhering to accessibility design principles makes it> >>>>> both possible and practical to develop fun and engaging game user> >>>>> interfaces that a broader range of the population can play. To> >>>>> demonstrate these principles we created AudiOdyssey, a PC rhythm game> >>>>> that is accessible to both sighted and non-sighted audiences. By> >>>>> following accessibility guidelines we incorporated a novel combination> >>>>> of features resulting in a similar play experience for both groups.> >>>>> Testing AudiOdyssey yielded useful insights into which interface> >>>>> elements work and which don't work for all users. Finally a case is> >>>>> made for considering accessibility when designing future versions of> >>>>> gaming user interfaces, and speculative scenarios are presented for> >>>>> what such interfaces might look like.> >>>>>> >>>>> Eitan> >>>>> _______________________________________________> >>>>> games_access mailing list> >>>>> games_access at igda.org> >>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________> >>>> games_access mailing list> >>>> games_access at igda.org> >>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________> >>> games_access mailing list> >>> games_access at igda.org> >>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> games_access mailing list> >> games_access at igda.org> >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > games_access mailing list> > games_access at igda.org> > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access > > _______________________________________________> games_access mailing list> games_access at igda.org> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

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