From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Dec  2 01:11:23 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 00:11:23 -0600
Subject: [games_access] GDC 2010 'One Button' Contest
Message-ID: <C4469609-2C63-4BCE-BCE7-67935E05CDAA@uiuc.edu>

Hi all,

Here's the direct link to the article I'm copying below in case there  
are any problem:

http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2009/12/gamma_announces_one_button_the.php

A one button game contest? That's crazy...does anyone know anything  
about these sorts of games? ;) Ok, I know Barrie will throw things at  
me at this point <ducking>

Seriously, though, very interesting to see that they chose that as  
their theme. I'm trying to see how we can get involved.

Michelle
Gamma Announces 'One Button' Theme For GDC 2010 Showcase

[We're excited to be working with the Kokoromi folks on hosting the  
latest Gamma event at Game Developers Conference 2010, and here's the  
latest info on the theme and submission guidelines - looking forward  
to seeing entries.]

Montreal?s Kokoromi collective has announced its theme for Gamma 4,  
with game makers challenged to make "innovative, experimental new  
games played with just one button" to be showcased at GDC 2010 in San  
Francisco.

As recently announced, Kokoromi is partnering with Think Services'  
Game Developers Conference to bring the fourth edition of its  
renowned Gamma game showcase to GDC 2010 next March.

Comparable to a longer-form, targeted version of the 'indie game jam'  
concept, previous years? themes have included Gamma 01: Audio Feed  
(games driven by live audio), gamma 256 (games with extremely small  
pixel dimensions), and GAMMA 3D (games using red-blue stereoscopic  
3D). Standout games like Passage, Paper Moon, and Super HYPERCUBE  
resulted.

This time around, the Gamma organizers have framed the competition as  
follows: "Gestural controls, multi-touch surfaces, musical  
instruments, voice recognition?even brain control. Games are moving  
beyond the iconic hand-held controller, and into the future. But is  
the secret to good games found in high-tech interface hardware?  
Kokoromi proposes that game developers can still find beauty in  
absolute simplicity."

Taking place on the evening of Wednesday March 10th, 2010, the Gamma  
4 kickoff event bridges the end of the Independent Games Summit and  
the start of the main GDC. The playable games will be revealed at the  
Mezzanine, a venue housed in a historic two-story warehouse near Mint  
Plaza, in the heart of San Francisco?s SoMa district. The curated  
games will be featured on large projections, and accompanied by live  
DJs.

Following the opening event, all the games will be playable for all  
in a dedicated booth on the Game Developers Conference Expo floor  
from Thursday, March 11th to Saturday, March 13th. In addition, game  
creators who are selected for presentation at Gamma 4 will also be  
awarded GDC 2010 All-Access passes.

Game makers around the world now have from December 1st 2009 until  
January 31st 2010 at midnight Pacific time to complete and submit  
their single-input creations. Full submission rules and guidelines  
are available at the official Gamma 4 web page.
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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Wed Dec  2 03:12:22 2009
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:12:22 +0100
Subject: [games_access] GDC 2010 'One Button' Contest
In-Reply-To: <C4469609-2C63-4BCE-BCE7-67935E05CDAA@uiuc.edu>
References: <C4469609-2C63-4BCE-BCE7-67935E05CDAA@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <3B62FBAE-D51A-4929-BE96-32F1FF6A97A8@pininteractive.com>

awesome!
/Thomas

On Dec 2, 2009, at 7:11 AM, D. Michelle Hinn wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Here's the direct link to the article I'm copying below in case there are any problem:
> 
> http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2009/12/gamma_announces_one_button_the.php
> 
> A one button game contest? That's crazy...does anyone know anything about these sorts of games? ;) Ok, I know Barrie will throw things at me at this point <ducking>
> 
> Seriously, though, very interesting to see that they chose that as their theme. I'm trying to see how we can get involved.
> 
> Michelle
> Gamma Announces 'One Button' Theme For GDC 2010 Showcase
> 
> [We're excited to be working with the Kokoromi folks on hosting the latest Gamma event at Game Developers Conference 2010, and here's the latest info on the theme and submission guidelines - looking forward to seeing entries.]
> 
> Montreal?s Kokoromi collective has announced its theme for Gamma 4, with game makers challenged to make "innovative, experimental new games played with just one button" to be showcased at GDC 2010 in San Francisco.
> 
> As recently announced, Kokoromi is partnering with Think Services' Game Developers Conference to bring the fourth edition of its renowned Gamma game showcase to GDC 2010 next March.
> 
> Comparable to a longer-form, targeted version of the 'indie game jam' concept, previous years? themes have included Gamma 01: Audio Feed (games driven by live audio), gamma 256 (games with extremely small pixel dimensions), and GAMMA 3D (games using red-blue stereoscopic 3D). Standout games like Passage, Paper Moon, and Super HYPERCUBE resulted.
> 
> This time around, the Gamma organizers have framed the competition as follows: "Gestural controls, multi-touch surfaces, musical instruments, voice recognition?even brain control. Games are moving beyond the iconic hand-held controller, and into the future. But is the secret to good games found in high-tech interface hardware? Kokoromi proposes that game developers can still find beauty in absolute simplicity."
> 
> Taking place on the evening of Wednesday March 10th, 2010, the Gamma 4 kickoff event bridges the end of the Independent Games Summit and the start of the main GDC. The playable games will be revealed at the Mezzanine, a venue housed in a historic two-story warehouse near Mint Plaza, in the heart of San Francisco?s SoMa district. The curated games will be featured on large projections, and accompanied by live DJs.
> 
> Following the opening event, all the games will be playable for all in a dedicated booth on the Game Developers Conference Expo floor from Thursday, March 11th to Saturday, March 13th. In addition, game creators who are selected for presentation at Gamma 4 will also be awarded GDC 2010 All-Access passes.
> 
> Game makers around the world now have from December 1st 2009 until January 31st 2010 at midnight Pacific time to complete and submit their single-input creations. Full submission rules and guidelines are available at the official Gamma 4 web page.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

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From mark at ablegamers.com  Wed Dec  2 10:05:05 2009
From: mark at ablegamers.com (Mark Barlet)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:05:05 -0500
Subject: [games_access] AbleGamers and Game Accessibility on Front Page of
	Shashdot!
Message-ID: <191870b70912020705l25d2ad1et44de165cd7030bc4@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

 I wanted to point our that last night Gaming Politics posted a blurb
about AbleGamers, and this morning a new story that kind of jammed the
blind gamers suit with SOE, and AbleGamers new review system were
jammed together and is on the front page of Shashdot. Wanted to share
the cool news... on a site note, moving to the new server could not be
more timely!

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/12/02/065259

http://gamepolitics.com/2009/12/01/rating-games-different-audience

We are always looking for help to get games reviewed and we are not in
a position to buy every game, so if you have a game you would like to
review (and you are not the maker of said game) drop us a line off
list and we will work to get it up on the site.

Mark Barlet

-- 
Mark C. Barlet
Editor-in-Chief
AbleGamers.com


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Dec  2 14:30:28 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:30:28 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Gaming News Related: Game Informer Article about
	Accessibility
Message-ID: <C230BA25-07CD-46B7-BBF4-E6BC74174E52@uiuc.edu>

Hi all,

Trying to include topics in the subject lines so that people can more  
easily go through SIG posts!

Just heard that Game Informer put out an article this morning about  
Infinity Ward leaving out a long-include map in the recently released  
Modern Warfare 2 after making public statements that it would be  
included as usual and using Randy Fitzgerald's (a Pro Gamer with a  
Disability) name in their promotions.

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/02/Pro-Gamer-Questions- 
Missing-N0M4D-Layout-In-Modern-Warfare-2.aspx

Infinity Ward did not answer, as they are all on vacation!?!  
Vacation...what's that? Hopefully they answer soon!

Michelle


From mark at ablegamers.com  Wed Dec  2 14:44:48 2009
From: mark at ablegamers.com (Mark Barlet)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:44:48 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Gaming News Related: Game Informer Article about
	Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <C230BA25-07CD-46B7-BBF4-E6BC74174E52@uiuc.edu>
References: <C230BA25-07CD-46B7-BBF4-E6BC74174E52@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <191870b70912021144r1bbda686i6a123d73e72a4298@mail.gmail.com>

Yah this is a huge slap in the face to these pro gamers. Not great PR.

Mark

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:30 PM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Trying to include topics in the subject lines so that people can more easily
> go through SIG posts!
>
> Just heard that Game Informer put out an article this morning about Infinity
> Ward leaving out a long-include map in the recently released Modern Warfare
> 2 after making public statements that it would be included as usual and
> using Randy Fitzgerald's (a Pro Gamer with a Disability) name in their
> promotions.
>
> http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/02/Pro-Gamer-Questions-Missing-N0M4D-Layout-In-Modern-Warfare-2.aspx
>
> Infinity Ward did not answer, as they are all on vacation!?!
> Vacation...what's that? Hopefully they answer soon!
>
> Michelle
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>



-- 
Mark C. Barlet
Editor-in-Chief
AbleGamers.com


From jbannick at 7128.com  Wed Dec  2 17:22:20 2009
From: jbannick at 7128.com (John Bannick)
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:22:20 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Microsoft patent Ingame- Helpsystem based on
	Community
Message-ID: <4B16E89C.6080500@7128.com>

Folks,

At our little company we've had something like this for years.
It's called the Idle Twit.
When the game has been idle for a minute, it twits you by suggesting 
your next action.
For instance, "You might want to select a question to ask the suspect.."

Not nearly as extensive as Microsoft's; but the same general notion of 
context-sensitive suggestions.

John Bannick
CTO
7-128 Software


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Dec  2 20:52:51 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:52:51 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Gaming News Related: Game Informer Article about
	Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <191870b70912021144r1bbda686i6a123d73e72a4298@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C230BA25-07CD-46B7-BBF4-E6BC74174E52@uiuc.edu>
	<191870b70912021144r1bbda686i6a123d73e72a4298@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2F5C26E6-D4DF-4305-970F-FBFED2FB5FE1@uiuc.edu>

And also the non-pro gamers who have been using the setting just to  
play the games in general. It will be interesting to hear what they  
have to say about it once they respond! Definitely an unfortunate  
route they took. :(

Michelle

On Dec 2, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Mark Barlet wrote:

> Yah this is a huge slap in the face to these pro gamers. Not great PR.
>
> Mark
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:30 PM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu>  
> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Trying to include topics in the subject lines so that people can  
>> more easily
>> go through SIG posts!
>>
>> Just heard that Game Informer put out an article this morning  
>> about Infinity
>> Ward leaving out a long-include map in the recently released  
>> Modern Warfare
>> 2 after making public statements that it would be included as  
>> usual and
>> using Randy Fitzgerald's (a Pro Gamer with a Disability) name in  
>> their
>> promotions.
>>
>> http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/02/Pro-Gamer- 
>> Questions-Missing-N0M4D-Layout-In-Modern-Warfare-2.aspx
>>
>> Infinity Ward did not answer, as they are all on vacation!?!
>> Vacation...what's that? Hopefully they answer soon!
>>
>> Michelle
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Mark C. Barlet
> Editor-in-Chief
> AbleGamers.com
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Dec  2 20:56:20 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:56:20 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Microsoft patent Ingame- Helpsystem based on
	Community
In-Reply-To: <4B16E89C.6080500@7128.com>
References: <4B16E89C.6080500@7128.com>
Message-ID: <3B563A86-7DB0-4F67-81C6-E44141EDAEFF@uiuc.edu>

Hi John!

Have you contacted Microsoft about this? You might be able to  
challenge the patent if that is something you guys were looking for.

Michelle

On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:22 PM, John Bannick wrote:

> Folks,
>
> At our little company we've had something like this for years.
> It's called the Idle Twit.
> When the game has been idle for a minute, it twits you by  
> suggesting your next action.
> For instance, "You might want to select a question to ask the  
> suspect.."
>
> Not nearly as extensive as Microsoft's; but the same general notion  
> of context-sensitive suggestions.
>
> John Bannick
> CTO
> 7-128 Software
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From jbannick at 7128.com  Thu Dec  3 04:59:01 2009
From: jbannick at 7128.com (John Bannick)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:59:01 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Microsoft patent Ingame- Helpsystem based on
	Community
Message-ID: <4B178BE5.6050806@7128.com>

Michelle,

Actually thought about it; but no.
Too much work.
Besides, I believe that patent wars stifle progress.

John


From jbannick at 7128.com  Thu Dec  3 05:08:17 2009
From: jbannick at 7128.com (John Bannick)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:08:17 -0500
Subject: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
Message-ID: <4B178E11.8040509@7128.com>

Folks,

The SIG does more to make computer games accessible than anywhere else 
I've found on the Web.

Here's something additional we all can do this month.

1. Buy accessible games as gifts (Not necessarily ours, but anyones')
2. Suggest to friends and family that accessible games make good gifts
3. And, most importantly, suggest to everyone who'll stand still for a 
minute that they tell game companies when they've bought their game 
because it was accessible.

Our own 7-128 Software recently released Visit Salem, a travelogue game. 
It includes over 6 hours of audio descriptions, history, architecture, 
music and interviews. It's also totally inaccessible to players who are 
blind, deaf, or motion-impaired.

Why? Because it would take an additional 6 months to make it accessible. 
Even with a code base that includes a lot of accessibility features and 
useful guidance from John Oliveira, a colleague and head of our 
Massachusetts Commission for the Blind, and from you and other folks I 
know in the accessibility community.

I'd love to make it accessible to players who are blind, or deaf, or 
motion-impaired. But the consensus among our management team is that 
there are too few potential sales to justify the effort and expense, at 
least at this time.

Game margins are razor slim. Electronic Arts lost tens of millions of 
dollars this year, also last year. The difference between profit and 
loss at our small mainstream company is tiny.

Posts by other colleagues suggest that a few more sales could help pay 
their light bills, too.

Posts by Barrie, Dark, Mark Barlet, Brian Papineau, and my own 
experience here suggest that some mainstream game companies do respond 
positively when you tell them "I buy your stuff because you make it work 
for me. I buy other people's stuff when you don't" (Recent news 
notwithstanding)

So, over the next few weeks you personally can make a difference by 
bugging people to buy accessible games and for them to tell developers 
when they do.

John Bannick
Chief Technical Officer
7-128 Software


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From Joshua at igda.org  Thu Dec  3 07:45:36 2009
From: Joshua at igda.org (Joshua Caulfield)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:45:36 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Microsoft patent Ingame- Helpsystem based
	onCommunity
References: <4B16E89C.6080500@7128.com>
Message-ID: <7D4E2A3629B61948BB695BA5C4CBF0FA02C104C8@tmgmail.TALLEY.COM>

Dear John,
 
I wonder if you would be interested in doing a short article on this technology and how it works and how it can help challenged and traditional gamers both?  (I hope I'm not using offensive terminology here.)
 
Let me know, as I think these type of activities need more publicity within the industry itself.
 
Joshua

________________________________

From: games_access-bounces at igda.org on behalf of John Bannick
Sent: Wed 12/2/2009 5:22 PM
To: games_access at igda.org
Subject: [games_access] Microsoft patent Ingame- Helpsystem based onCommunity



Folks,

At our little company we've had something like this for years.
It's called the Idle Twit.
When the game has been idle for a minute, it twits you by suggesting
your next action.
For instance, "You might want to select a question to ask the suspect.."

Not nearly as extensive as Microsoft's; but the same general notion of
context-sensitive suggestions.

John Bannick
CTO
7-128 Software
_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



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From sandra_uhling at web.de  Thu Dec  3 08:11:00 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:11:00 +0100
Subject: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
In-Reply-To: <4B178E11.8040509@7128.com>
References: <4B178E11.8040509@7128.com>
Message-ID: <000901ca741a$0fb2fac0$2f18f040$@de>

Hi,

in a Xing group we discussed about the Wii games.
The topic was that the market is "saturated"/"sated".

But is this true? There are lots of gamers who would like to play, but
can`t.



It is a good advise that we have to give positive feedback.
I called the company who made the "kunst des mordens" game.
The person was surprised that I was happy about the "accessibility"
features.
She did not know that their game has this.

Best regards,
Sandra

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von John Bannick
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2009 11:08
> An: games_access at igda.org
> Betreff: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
> 
> Folks,
> 
> The SIG does more to make computer games accessible than anywhere else
> I've found on the Web.
> 
> Here's something additional we all can do this month.
> 
> 1. Buy accessible games as gifts (Not necessarily ours, but anyones?)
> 2. Suggest to friends and family that accessible games make good gifts
> 3. And, most importantly, suggest to everyone who?ll stand still for a
> minute that they tell game companies when they?ve bought their game
> because it was accessible.
> 
> Our own 7-128 Software recently released Visit Salem, a travelogue
> game. It includes over 6 hours of audio descriptions, history,
> architecture, music and interviews. It?s also totally inaccessible to
> players who are blind, deaf, or motion-impaired.
> 
> Why? Because it would take an additional 6 months to make it
> accessible. Even with a code base that includes a lot of accessibility
> features and useful guidance from John Oliveira, a colleague and head
> of our Massachusetts Commission for the Blind, and from you and other
> folks I know in the accessibility community.
> 
> I?d love to make it accessible to players who are blind, or deaf, or
> motion-impaired. But the consensus among our management team is that
> there are too few potential sales to justify the effort and expense, at
> least at this time.
> 
> Game margins are razor slim. Electronic Arts lost tens of millions of
> dollars this year, also last year. The difference between profit and
> loss at our small mainstream company is tiny.
> 
> Posts by other colleagues suggest that a few more sales could help pay
> their light bills, too.
> 
> Posts by Barrie, Dark, Mark Barlet, Brian Papineau, and my own
> experience here suggest that some mainstream game companies do respond
> positively when you tell them ?I buy your stuff because you make it
> work for me. I buy other people?s stuff when you don?t? (Recent news
> notwithstanding)
> 
> So, over the next few weeks you personally can make a difference by
> bugging people to buy accessible games and for them to tell developers
> when they do.
> 
> John Bannick
> Chief Technical Officer
> 7-128 Software
> 
> 




From foreversublime at hotmail.com  Thu Dec  3 11:48:22 2009
From: foreversublime at hotmail.com (Matthias Troup)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:48:22 -0500
Subject: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
In-Reply-To: <000901ca741a$0fb2fac0$2f18f040$@de>
References: <4B178E11.8040509@7128.com>,<000901ca741a$0fb2fac0$2f18f040$@de>
Message-ID: <BAY134-W93A9E9C5310BD296DCC96D9940@phx.gbl>


There's a difference between the "market" and population.

 

I can't say that Porsche hasn't saturated the market simply because I can't have one.  I'm not in their market.




 
> From: sandra_uhling at web.de
> To: games_access at igda.org
> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:11:00 +0100
> Subject: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
> 
> Hi,
> 
> in a Xing group we discussed about the Wii games.
> The topic was that the market is "saturated"/"sated".
> 
> But is this true? There are lots of gamers who would like to play, but
> can`t.
> 
> 
> 
> It is a good advise that we have to give positive feedback.
> I called the company who made the "kunst des mordens" game.
> The person was surprised that I was happy about the "accessibility"
> features.
> She did not know that their game has this.
> 
> Best regards,
> Sandra
> 
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
> > bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von John Bannick
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2009 11:08
> > An: games_access at igda.org
> > Betreff: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
> > 
> > Folks,
> > 
> > The SIG does more to make computer games accessible than anywhere else
> > I've found on the Web.
> > 
> > Here's something additional we all can do this month.
> > 
> > 1. Buy accessible games as gifts (Not necessarily ours, but anyones?)
> > 2. Suggest to friends and family that accessible games make good gifts
> > 3. And, most importantly, suggest to everyone who?ll stand still for a
> > minute that they tell game companies when they?ve bought their game
> > because it was accessible.
> > 
> > Our own 7-128 Software recently released Visit Salem, a travelogue
> > game. It includes over 6 hours of audio descriptions, history,
> > architecture, music and interviews. It?s also totally inaccessible to
> > players who are blind, deaf, or motion-impaired.
> > 
> > Why? Because it would take an additional 6 months to make it
> > accessible. Even with a code base that includes a lot of accessibility
> > features and useful guidance from John Oliveira, a colleague and head
> > of our Massachusetts Commission for the Blind, and from you and other
> > folks I know in the accessibility community.
> > 
> > I?d love to make it accessible to players who are blind, or deaf, or
> > motion-impaired. But the consensus among our management team is that
> > there are too few potential sales to justify the effort and expense, at
> > least at this time.
> > 
> > Game margins are razor slim. Electronic Arts lost tens of millions of
> > dollars this year, also last year. The difference between profit and
> > loss at our small mainstream company is tiny.
> > 
> > Posts by other colleagues suggest that a few more sales could help pay
> > their light bills, too.
> > 
> > Posts by Barrie, Dark, Mark Barlet, Brian Papineau, and my own
> > experience here suggest that some mainstream game companies do respond
> > positively when you tell them ?I buy your stuff because you make it
> > work for me. I buy other people?s stuff when you don?t? (Recent news
> > notwithstanding)
> > 
> > So, over the next few weeks you personally can make a difference by
> > bugging people to buy accessible games and for them to tell developers
> > when they do.
> > 
> > John Bannick
> > Chief Technical Officer
> > 7-128 Software
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
 		 	   		  
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Dec  3 14:14:22 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:14:22 -0600
Subject: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
In-Reply-To: <4B178E11.8040509@7128.com>
References: <4B178E11.8040509@7128.com>
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Hi all,

It would be very interesting to know who on the list has bought an  
accessible game for themselves or others and what the reactions were  
so that we could send email to those companies so that they know that  
what they are doing or have done HAS made a difference.

$$ talks...and I and others can speak at conferences about what to  
include in games. But to that...I know that I (and others!) also get  
the financial question. It's one thing to predict what COULD be  
gained monetarily but it's another to provide and encourage feedback  
from users as a group, as individuals, and from gamers with  
disabilities. It's these stories and advocacy about gamers with  
disabilities on AbleGamers, Game Forward, One Switch, Game Informer,  
and others (sorry to have left out any news/information sources --  
just picked a couple off the top of my head) that make a real  
emotional impact...and also give companies the knowledge that they  
are doing the right thing AND that what they do IS increasing sales.  
Even yesterday's story in Game Informer -- although it was about an  
unfortunate situation -- resulted in very interesting forum posts on  
that site. Randy himself has been fielding posts on the list and when  
he got on the forums, wow, that resulted in a very different tone as  
people actually started READING the story and looking up how many  
people that setting has helped -- those with and without  
disabilities. (Unfortunately, continued inquiries to Infinity Ward  
and Activision remain unanswered).

John raises an excellent point -- let's talk about what we and others  
have BOUGHT to support game accessibility whether for themselves or  
for friends and family. And lets get that information to the  
companies. This doesn't have to be just FROM the SIG but let's all  
work on this as a group but also as individuals to help game  
companies realize that their efforts have made a difference via a  
financial perspective.

Just my 2 cents of support. :) And, yes, I have bought some game  
titles and controllers for community centers and when I get back from  
running a few errands I'll tell you about those so that you know I'm  
not just talking out of both sides of my mouth! :)

Michelle

On Dec 3, 2009, at 4:08 AM, John Bannick wrote:

> Folks,
>
> The SIG does more to make computer games accessible than anywhere  
> else I've found on the Web.
>
> Here's something additional we all can do this month.
>
> 1. Buy accessible games as gifts (Not necessarily ours, but anyones?)
> 2. Suggest to friends and family that accessible games make good gifts
> 3. And, most importantly, suggest to everyone who?ll stand still  
> for a minute that they tell game companies when they?ve bought  
> their game because it was accessible.
>
> Our own 7-128 Software recently released Visit Salem, a travelogue  
> game. It includes over 6 hours of audio descriptions, history,  
> architecture, music and interviews. It?s also totally inaccessible  
> to players who are blind, deaf, or motion-impaired.
>
> Why? Because it would take an additional 6 months to make it  
> accessible. Even with a code base that includes a lot of  
> accessibility features and useful guidance from John Oliveira, a  
> colleague and head of our Massachusetts Commission for the Blind,  
> and from you and other folks I know in the accessibility community.
>
> I?d love to make it accessible to players who are blind, or deaf,  
> or motion-impaired. But the consensus among our management team is  
> that there are too few potential sales to justify the effort and  
> expense, at least at this time.
>
> Game margins are razor slim. Electronic Arts lost tens of millions  
> of dollars this year, also last year. The difference between profit  
> and loss at our small mainstream company is tiny.
>
> Posts by other colleagues suggest that a few more sales could help  
> pay their light bills, too.
>
> Posts by Barrie, Dark, Mark Barlet, Brian Papineau, and my own  
> experience here suggest that some mainstream game companies do  
> respond positively when you tell them ?I buy your stuff because you  
> make it work for me. I buy other people?s stuff when you  
> don?t? (Recent news notwithstanding)
>
> So, over the next few weeks you personally can make a difference by  
> bugging people to buy accessible games and for them to tell  
> developers when they do.
>
> John Bannick
> Chief Technical Officer
> 7-128 Software
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Dec  3 14:20:59 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:20:59 -0600
Subject: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
In-Reply-To: <5065AD4D-A82F-4508-BE35-A23062032AEC@uiuc.edu>
References: <4B178E11.8040509@7128.com>
	<5065AD4D-A82F-4508-BE35-A23062032AEC@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <79EF616B-00AB-4EE5-A532-229C4EA1E8F8@uiuc.edu>

Just a post script -- I DEFINITELY understand living on a limited  
income, especially after this last year, but I'm not only talking  
about $60 games and $300 (and up!) controllers, but also shareware  
games that are much lower in cost. :)

Feedback to ALL companies and individuals making accessible games and/ 
or games with accessible features go a LONG way to making a company  
or individual feel like, wow, I AM making a difference. :)

Michelle

On Dec 3, 2009, at 1:14 PM, D. Michelle Hinn wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> It would be very interesting to know who on the list has bought an  
> accessible game for themselves or others and what the reactions  
> were so that we could send email to those companies so that they  
> know that what they are doing or have done HAS made a difference.
>
> $$ talks...and I and others can speak at conferences about what to  
> include in games. But to that...I know that I (and others!) also  
> get the financial question. It's one thing to predict what COULD be  
> gained monetarily but it's another to provide and encourage  
> feedback from users as a group, as individuals, and from gamers  
> with disabilities. It's these stories and advocacy about gamers  
> with disabilities on AbleGamers, Game Forward, One Switch, Game  
> Informer, and others (sorry to have left out any news/information  
> sources -- just picked a couple off the top of my head) that make a  
> real emotional impact...and also give companies the knowledge that  
> they are doing the right thing AND that what they do IS increasing  
> sales. Even yesterday's story in Game Informer -- although it was  
> about an unfortunate situation -- resulted in very interesting  
> forum posts on that site. Randy himself has been fielding posts on  
> the list and when he got on the forums, wow, that resulted in a  
> very different tone as people actually started READING the story  
> and looking up how many people that setting has helped -- those  
> with and without disabilities. (Unfortunately, continued inquiries  
> to Infinity Ward and Activision remain unanswered).
>
> John raises an excellent point -- let's talk about what we and  
> others have BOUGHT to support game accessibility whether for  
> themselves or for friends and family. And lets get that information  
> to the companies. This doesn't have to be just FROM the SIG but  
> let's all work on this as a group but also as individuals to help  
> game companies realize that their efforts have made a difference  
> via a financial perspective.
>
> Just my 2 cents of support. :) And, yes, I have bought some game  
> titles and controllers for community centers and when I get back  
> from running a few errands I'll tell you about those so that you  
> know I'm not just talking out of both sides of my mouth! :)
>
> Michelle
>
> On Dec 3, 2009, at 4:08 AM, John Bannick wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> The SIG does more to make computer games accessible than anywhere  
>> else I've found on the Web.
>>
>> Here's something additional we all can do this month.
>>
>> 1. Buy accessible games as gifts (Not necessarily ours, but anyones?)
>> 2. Suggest to friends and family that accessible games make good  
>> gifts
>> 3. And, most importantly, suggest to everyone who?ll stand still  
>> for a minute that they tell game companies when they?ve bought  
>> their game because it was accessible.
>>
>> Our own 7-128 Software recently released Visit Salem, a travelogue  
>> game. It includes over 6 hours of audio descriptions, history,  
>> architecture, music and interviews. It?s also totally inaccessible  
>> to players who are blind, deaf, or motion-impaired.
>>
>> Why? Because it would take an additional 6 months to make it  
>> accessible. Even with a code base that includes a lot of  
>> accessibility features and useful guidance from John Oliveira, a  
>> colleague and head of our Massachusetts Commission for the Blind,  
>> and from you and other folks I know in the accessibility community.
>>
>> I?d love to make it accessible to players who are blind, or deaf,  
>> or motion-impaired. But the consensus among our management team is  
>> that there are too few potential sales to justify the effort and  
>> expense, at least at this time.
>>
>> Game margins are razor slim. Electronic Arts lost tens of millions  
>> of dollars this year, also last year. The difference between  
>> profit and loss at our small mainstream company is tiny.
>>
>> Posts by other colleagues suggest that a few more sales could help  
>> pay their light bills, too.
>>
>> Posts by Barrie, Dark, Mark Barlet, Brian Papineau, and my own  
>> experience here suggest that some mainstream game companies do  
>> respond positively when you tell them ?I buy your stuff because  
>> you make it work for me. I buy other people?s stuff when you  
>> don?t? (Recent news notwithstanding)
>>
>> So, over the next few weeks you personally can make a difference  
>> by bugging people to buy accessible games and for them to tell  
>> developers when they do.
>>
>> John Bannick
>> Chief Technical Officer
>> 7-128 Software
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Dec  3 14:49:43 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:49:43 -0600
Subject: [games_access] NYTimes Article [Re: You Can Make a Difference]
In-Reply-To: <79EF616B-00AB-4EE5-A532-229C4EA1E8F8@uiuc.edu>
References: <4B178E11.8040509@7128.com>
	<5065AD4D-A82F-4508-BE35-A23062032AEC@uiuc.edu>
	<79EF616B-00AB-4EE5-A532-229C4EA1E8F8@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <621AC4BD-C702-41C1-8384-453E47668474@uiuc.edu>

Interestingly, this article in the NYTimes -- What I Bought This  
Year, by technology columnist David Pogue -- just landed in my inbox. :)

I know I shouldn't post this article in full but I thought, well,  
maybe this would help people save some time...sorry David Pogue!! But  
your post is very timely! :)

Michelle

Personal Tech
The New York Times Thursday, December 3, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/indexes/2009/12/03/technology/circuitsemail/ 
index.html?8cir&emc=cir

- From the Desk of David Pogue -
----------------------------------------

What I Bought This Year
By DAVID POGUE

Every week, I throw out some column ideas to my editors, and
we work out the schedule for my Times columns for the next
couple of weeks. Recently, I suggested a column called
something like What I Bought This Year. People seem to be
interested in what the consumer-tech columnist would buy
for himself and his own family, so it seemed like a
slam-dunk.

But when I actually sat down to write the thing, I realized
that there was one tiny problem: I didn't buy enough stuff
this year to justify a column! In fact, the entire list
went like this:

* Neat Receipts. I blogged about this $200 receipts scanner
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/20/technology/personaltech/20pogue- 
email.html
earlier this year. It's a tiny, self-powered (USB) wisp of
a scanner--a bar that could probably fit in a paper-towel
core tube--with a slot where you feed in your receipts.
Software analyzes each receipt, even attempts to read the
printing and fill in the blanks like Date, Amount and
Vendor. It can then spit out a single PDF document with the
images of all your tallied receipts, for submitting for
reimbursement. (I realize that some institutions require
the originals, but for the rest, it's a dream.)

The Windows version has more accounting features, including
tax tracking. The Mac version adds a delicious Send to Neat
Receipts command to the standard Print dialog box, so any
time I book some flight or hotel online, I can add that
receipt directly to the software without scanning anything.
This contraption has saved me hours of tedium and a lot of
lost dollars (from lost, unreimbursable receipts).

* Canon PowerShot S90. As you probably know from my review
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/technology/personaltech/12pogue.html
, this is, in my opinion, the best pocket camera made. Our
previous PowerShot, the 880, developed a cracked screen
(dang it!), so...it was time.

And that's really about it. Not much of a column.

That's not to say that my high-tech arsenal didn't expand
this year; it did, bigtime. But many more of my
acquisitions were online tools or software, mostly free.
For example:

* Readability. The Web experience has completely changed for
me since I installed this free browser add-on. With one
click, it reformats any Web article into what resembles a
printed book page or a Kindle page, and it's glorious. No
ads, no blinking, no colored backgrounds, no white-on-black
type, no tiny fonts. Read more here
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/cleaning-up-the-clutter- 
online/
.

* Vark.com. You ask a question, you get a free, prompt
response from an expert. Hard to believe, but it's true. As
I wrote here
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/03/technology/personaltech/03pogue- 
email.html
: "The service makes no attempt to blanket the Internet
with your question. In fact, it forwards your question only
to people who have specifically declared themselves to have
expertise on your subject--and, furthermore, only people
who are already in your online social circle. If there's
nobody with expertise among that group, Aardvark extends
its search to friends *of* your friends, and so on. Trust
me, it works; I've never gotten a bad answer."

* Twitter. This is no secret gem like Readability or Vark;
Twitter is not exactly low-profile at this point. But it
really has changed my life. I use it to let people know
when my latest video is posted, or to collect information
from the masses, or to fill those six-minute waiting
periods in life that aren't long enough for getting any
real work done. What I love is that the expectations for
attendance and responses are far different from e-mail or
whatever; I can disappear for days at a time, respond only
to items that jump out at me, and nobody seems to mind.

The brevity of this list is not to say that I'm a skinflint,
that I've cut back because of the recession, or whatever.
Instead, it just speaks well of the gear I've bought in
past years, all of which is still serving me well: My Nikon
D80, TiVo, Wii, Prius and Honda Fit, Flip Mino HD, and so
on. If there's a better reason not to buy more stuff, I
don't know what it is.




http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/03/technology/personaltech/03pogue- 
email.html?8cir&emc=cir


From sandra_uhling at web.de  Thu Dec  3 15:36:33 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 21:36:33 +0100
Subject: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
In-Reply-To: <5065AD4D-A82F-4508-BE35-A23062032AEC@uiuc.edu>
References: <4B178E11.8040509@7128.com>
	<5065AD4D-A82F-4508-BE35-A23062032AEC@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <001e01ca7458$4d6fb130$e84f1390$@de>

Hi,

Nice idea for my blog.
Maybe I can ask blind gamer to write positive things about good mainstream
games.

Best regards,
Sandra

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von D. Michelle Hinn
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2009 20:14
> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Betreff: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> It would be very interesting to know who on the list has bought an
> accessible game for themselves or others and what the reactions were so
> that we could send email to those companies so that they know that what
> they are doing or have done HAS made a difference.
> 
> $$ talks...and I and others can speak at conferences about what to
> include in games. But to that...I know that I (and others!) also get
> the financial question. It's one thing to predict what COULD be gained
> monetarily but it's another to provide and encourage feedback from
> users as a group, as individuals, and from gamers with disabilities.
> It's these stories and advocacy about gamers with disabilities on
> AbleGamers, Game Forward, One Switch, Game Informer, and others (sorry
> to have left out any news/information sources -- just picked a couple
> off the top of my head) that make a real emotional impact...and also
> give companies the knowledge that they are doing the right thing AND
> that what they do IS increasing sales. Even yesterday's story in Game
> Informer -- although it was about an unfortunate situation -- resulted
> in very interesting forum posts on that site. Randy himself has been
> fielding posts on the list and when he got on the forums, wow, that
> resulted in a very different tone as people actually started READING
> the story and looking up how many people that setting has helped --
> those with and without disabilities. (Unfortunately, continued
> inquiries to Infinity Ward and Activision remain unanswered).
> 
> John raises an excellent point -- let's talk about what we and others
> have BOUGHT to support game accessibility whether for themselves or for
> friends and family. And lets get that information to the companies.
> This doesn't have to be just FROM the SIG but let's all work on this as
> a group but also as individuals to help game companies realize that
> their efforts have made a difference via a financial perspective.
> 
> Just my 2 cents of support. :) And, yes, I have bought some game titles
> and controllers for community centers and when I get back from running
> a few errands I'll tell you about those so that you know I'm not just
> talking out of both sides of my mouth! :)
> 
> Michelle
> 
> On Dec 3, 2009, at 4:08 AM, John Bannick wrote:
> 
> 
> 	Folks,
> 
> 	The SIG does more to make computer games accessible than anywhere
> else I've found on the Web.
> 
> 	Here's something additional we all can do this month.
> 
> 	1. Buy accessible games as gifts (Not necessarily ours, but
> anyones?)
> 	2. Suggest to friends and family that accessible games make good
> gifts
> 	3. And, most importantly, suggest to everyone who?ll stand still
> for a minute that they tell game companies when they?ve bought their
> game because it was accessible.
> 
> 	Our own 7-128 Software recently released Visit Salem, a
> travelogue game. It includes over 6 hours of audio descriptions,
> history, architecture, music and interviews. It?s also totally
> inaccessible to players who are blind, deaf, or motion-impaired.
> 
> 	Why? Because it would take an additional 6 months to make it
> accessible. Even with a code base that includes a lot of accessibility
> features and useful guidance from John Oliveira, a colleague and head
> of our Massachusetts Commission for the Blind, and from you and other
> folks I know in the accessibility community.
> 
> 	I?d love to make it accessible to players who are blind, or deaf,
> or motion-impaired. But the consensus among our management team is that
> there are too few potential sales to justify the effort and expense, at
> least at this time.
> 
> 	Game margins are razor slim. Electronic Arts lost tens of
> millions of dollars this year, also last year. The difference between
> profit and loss at our small mainstream company is tiny.
> 
> 	Posts by other colleagues suggest that a few more sales could
> help pay their light bills, too.
> 
> 	Posts by Barrie, Dark, Mark Barlet, Brian Papineau, and my own
> experience here suggest that some mainstream game companies do respond
> positively when you tell them ?I buy your stuff because you make it
> work for me. I buy other people?s stuff when you don?t? (Recent news
> notwithstanding)
> 
> 	So, over the next few weeks you personally can make a difference
> by bugging people to buy accessible games and for them to tell
> developers when they do.
> 
> 	John Bannick
> 	Chief Technical Officer
> 	7-128 Software
> 
> 
> 
> 	_______________________________________________
> 	games_access mailing list
> 	games_access at igda.org
> 	http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> 




From thomas at pininteractive.com  Thu Dec  3 19:12:21 2009
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (thomas at pininteractive.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 01:12:21 +0100
Subject: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
In-Reply-To: <4B178E11.8040509@7128.com>
References: <4B178E11.8040509@7128.com>
Message-ID: <5D4B0C14-E9EC-46AE-BFE3-D3CD4751C9F5@pininteractive.com>

good idea

I have been thinking about establishing a Game Accessibility Day;  
during that day game companies should spend 8 hours to implement one  
access feature in (one of) their current game(s). That is 1/365 of  
their budget which for a million dollar game  is approx 3000 dollars.

Kind regards,
Thomas

(Sent from my mobile)

On 3 dec 2009, at 11.08, "John Bannick" <jbannick at 7128.com> wrote:

> Folks,
>
> The SIG does more to make computer games accessible than anywhere  
> else I've found on the Web.
>
> Here's something additional we all can do this month.
>
> 1. Buy accessible games as gifts (Not necessarily ours, but anyones 
> ?)
> 2. Suggest to friends and family that accessible games make good gifts
> 3. And, most importantly, suggest to everyone who?ll stand still for 
>  a minute that they tell game companies when they?ve bought their ga 
> me because it was accessible.
>
> Our own 7-128 Software recently released Visit Salem, a travelogue  
> game. It includes over 6 hours of audio descriptions, history,  
> architecture, music and interviews. It?s also totally inaccessible t 
> o players who are blind, deaf, or motion-impaired.
>
> Why? Because it would take an additional 6 months to make it  
> accessible. Even with a code base that includes a lot of  
> accessibility features and useful guidance from John Oliveira, a  
> colleague and head of our Massachusetts Commission for the Blind,  
> and from you and other folks I know in the accessibility community.
>
> I?d love to make it accessible to players who are blind, or deaf, or 
>  motion-impaired. But the consensus among our management team is tha 
> t there are too few potential sales to justify the effort and expens 
> e, at least at this time.
>
> Game margins are razor slim. Electronic Arts lost tens of millions  
> of dollars this year, also last year. The difference between profit  
> and loss at our small mainstream company is tiny.
>
> Posts by other colleagues suggest that a few more sales could help  
> pay their light bills, too.
>
> Posts by Barrie, Dark, Mark Barlet, Brian Papineau, and my own  
> experience here suggest that some mainstream game companies do  
> respond positively when you tell them ?I buy your stuff because you  
> make it work for me. I buy other people?s stuff when you  
> don?t? (Recent news notwithstanding)
>
> So, over the next few weeks you personally can make a difference by  
> bugging people to buy accessible games and for them to tell  
> developers when they do.
>
> John Bannick
> Chief Technical Officer
> 7-128 Software
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Dec  3 19:38:28 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:38:28 -0600
Subject: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
In-Reply-To: <5D4B0C14-E9EC-46AE-BFE3-D3CD4751C9F5@pininteractive.com>
References: <4B178E11.8040509@7128.com>
	<5D4B0C14-E9EC-46AE-BFE3-D3CD4751C9F5@pininteractive.com>
Message-ID: <86FFE6F8-9C21-49C3-9464-01AA3E6C7B0A@uiuc.edu>

That's definitely a cool idea, Thomas!

As John pointed out, it would definitely help if we could help  
developers know that things they have already done have made a  
difference via purchases. That would help strengthen the idea/argument.

Michelle

On Dec 3, 2009, at 6:12 PM, <thomas at pininteractive.com> wrote:

> good idea
>
> I have been thinking about establishing a Game Accessibility Day;  
> during that day game companies should spend 8 hours to implement  
> one access feature in (one of) their current game(s). That is 1/365  
> of their budget which for a million dollar game  is approx 3000  
> dollars.
>
> Kind regards,
> Thomas
>
> (Sent from my mobile)
>
> On 3 dec 2009, at 11.08, "John Bannick" <jbannick at 7128.com> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> The SIG does more to make computer games accessible than anywhere  
>> else I've found on the Web.
>>
>> Here's something additional we all can do this month.
>>
>> 1. Buy accessible games as gifts (Not necessarily ours, but anyones?)
>> 2. Suggest to friends and family that accessible games make good  
>> gifts
>> 3. And, most importantly, suggest to everyone who?ll stand still  
>> for a minute that they tell game companies when they?ve bought  
>> their game because it was accessible.
>>
>> Our own 7-128 Software recently released Visit Salem, a travelogue  
>> game. It includes over 6 hours of audio descriptions, history,  
>> architecture, music and interviews. It?s also totally inaccessible  
>> to players who are blind, deaf, or motion-impaired.
>>
>> Why? Because it would take an additional 6 months to make it  
>> accessible. Even with a code base that includes a lot of  
>> accessibility features and useful guidance from John Oliveira, a  
>> colleague and head of our Massachusetts Commission for the Blind,  
>> and from you and other folks I know in the accessibility community.
>>
>> I?d love to make it accessible to players who are blind, or deaf,  
>> or motion-impaired. But the consensus among our management team is  
>> that there are too few potential sales to justify the effort and  
>> expense, at least at this time.
>>
>> Game margins are razor slim. Electronic Arts lost tens of millions  
>> of dollars this year, also last year. The difference between  
>> profit and loss at our small mainstream company is tiny.
>>
>> Posts by other colleagues suggest that a few more sales could help  
>> pay their light bills, too.
>>
>> Posts by Barrie, Dark, Mark Barlet, Brian Papineau, and my own  
>> experience here suggest that some mainstream game companies do  
>> respond positively when you tell them ?I buy your stuff because  
>> you make it work for me. I buy other people?s stuff when you  
>> don?t? (Recent news notwithstanding)
>>
>> So, over the next few weeks you personally can make a difference  
>> by bugging people to buy accessible games and for them to tell  
>> developers when they do.
>>
>> John Bannick
>> Chief Technical Officer
>> 7-128 Software
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Dec  3 19:54:44 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:54:44 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Day
References: <mailman.172.1259887213.24536.games_access@igda.org>
Message-ID: <76248894-B2B0-4F77-8DB9-6B72CCA392A8@uiuc.edu>

Oops -- caught this in the list net! Reposting!

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
> Date: December 3, 2009 6:32:32 PM CST
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"  
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>
>
> Really good idea, Thomas. Maybe tie it up with the UN's  
> International Day of People with Disability, which was yesterday  
> (depending on your time zone - 3rd December each year).
>
> http://blogs.watoday.com.au/digital-life/screenplay/2009/12/03/ 
> makinggamesmo.html
>
> Maybe this kind of thing will make it mean something more than it  
> does to some at present: http://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/opinion/b1tch/ 
> db_v_internationaldaydisabled.shtml.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Barrie
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
> p.s. - This looks interesting - http://www.vision-audio.com/ 
> ease_games.html
>
>
>
>
> From: thomas at pininteractive.com
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:12 AM
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
>
> good idea
>
> I have been thinking about establishing a Game Accessibility Day;  
> during that day game companies should spend 8 hours to implement  
> one access feature in (one of) their current game(s). That is 1/365  
> of their budget which for a million dollar game  is approx 3000  
> dollars.
>
> Kind regards,
> Thomas
>
> (Sent from my mobile)
>
> On 3 dec 2009, at 11.08, "John Bannick" <jbannick at 7128.com> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> The SIG does more to make computer games accessible than anywhere  
>> else I've found on the Web.
>>
>> Here's something additional we all can do this month.
>>
>> 1. Buy accessible games as gifts (Not necessarily ours, but anyones?)
>> 2. Suggest to friends and family that accessible games make good  
>> gifts
>> 3. And, most importantly, suggest to everyone who?ll stand still  
>> for a minute that they tell game companies when they?ve bought  
>> their game because it was accessible.
>>
>> Our own 7-128 Software recently released Visit Salem, a travelogue  
>> game. It includes over 6 hours of audio descriptions, history,  
>> architecture, music and interviews. It?s also totally inaccessible  
>> to players who are blind, deaf, or motion-impaired.
>>
>> Why? Because it would take an additional 6 months to make it  
>> accessible. Even with a code base that includes a lot of  
>> accessibility features and useful guidance from John Oliveira, a  
>> colleague and head of our Massachusetts Commission for the Blind,  
>> and from you and other folks I know in the accessibility community.
>>
>> I?d love to make it accessible to players who are blind, or deaf,  
>> or motion-impaired. But the consensus among our management team is  
>> that there are too few potential sales to justify the effort and  
>> expense, at least at this time.
>>
>> Game margins are razor slim. Electronic Arts lost tens of millions  
>> of dollars this year, also last year. The difference between  
>> profit and loss at our small mainstream company is tiny.
>>
>> Posts by other colleagues suggest that a few more sales could help  
>> pay their light bills, too.
>>
>> Posts by Barrie, Dark, Mark Barlet, Brian Papineau, and my own  
>> experience here suggest that some mainstream game companies do  
>> respond positively when you tell them ?I buy your stuff because  
>> you make it work for me. I buy other people?s stuff when you  
>> don?t? (Recent news notwithstanding)
>>
>> So, over the next few weeks you personally can make a difference  
>> by bugging people to buy accessible games and for them to tell  
>> developers when they do.
>>
>> John Bannick
>> Chief Technical Officer
>> 7-128 Software
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

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From sheri at designdirectdeliver.com  Thu Dec  3 23:21:45 2009
From: sheri at designdirectdeliver.com (Sheri Rubin)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:21:45 -0800
Subject: [games_access] Kotaku: PC Game For Autistic Kids
Message-ID: <4B188E59.1000308@designdirectdeliver.com>

http://kotaku.com/5417168/pc-game-for-autistic-kids

"Vision Audio Inc. has created a PC game that will help kids with autism 
spectrum disorders (ASD) cope with their disability and develop sensory 
processing skills."

Sheri

-- 
*Sheri Rubin*
CEO and Founder

*Design Direct Deliver*
Website: www.designdirectdeliver.com <http://www.designdirectdeliver.com>
Email: sheri at designdirectdeliver.com <mailto:sheri at designdirectdeliver.com>
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Dec  3 23:50:40 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:50:40 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Kotaku: PC Game For Autistic Kids
In-Reply-To: <4B188E59.1000308@designdirectdeliver.com>
References: <4B188E59.1000308@designdirectdeliver.com>
Message-ID: <C9697734-9A9E-450A-814A-004D5E310A4D@uiuc.edu>

Sounds very cool -- I will check it out tonight!

Michelle

On Dec 3, 2009, at 10:21 PM, Sheri Rubin wrote:

> http://kotaku.com/5417168/pc-game-for-autistic-kids
>
> "Vision Audio Inc. has created a PC game that will help kids with  
> autism spectrum disorders (ASD) cope with their disability and  
> develop sensory processing skills."
>
> Sheri
>
> -- 
> Sheri Rubin
> CEO and Founder
>
> Design Direct Deliver
> Website: www.designdirectdeliver.com
> Email: sheri at designdirectdeliver.com
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
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From javier.mairena at gmail.com  Fri Dec  4 02:24:49 2009
From: javier.mairena at gmail.com (Javier)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:24:49 +0100
Subject: [games_access] last interesting spanish posts
Message-ID: <b900ac550912032324s2cd1c9cfv628d08a82c843ad3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I bring a couple posts of my spnaish blog.
Maybe is usefull who can speak a little spanish.

*Low Cost*
http://www.videojuegosaccesibles.es/2009/11/bajo-coste.html
Accessibility low cost solutions in computer. All documents in Spanish, but
seeing pictures maybe you get the ideas.
I do not translate it to english because that is much work. Sorry.
*
CITI for PC*
http://www.videojuegosaccesibles.es/2009/12/citi-ahora-tambien-para-pc.html
A new free videogame for down syndrome people. Only in spanish, sorry.
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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Fri Dec  4 03:02:20 2009
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:02:20 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Day
In-Reply-To: <76248894-B2B0-4F77-8DB9-6B72CCA392A8@uiuc.edu>
References: <mailman.172.1259887213.24536.games_access@igda.org>
	<76248894-B2B0-4F77-8DB9-6B72CCA392A8@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <833A143D-79D0-439C-BD80-E2ED0CE62779@pininteractive.com>

Thanks Barrie and Michelle,

yeah the UN day is a great combo, wasn't aware that it was yesterday

I propose we do it in the simplest way possible, just by 
- deciding to use the UN day as the Game Accessibility Day (GAD)
- put into blogs, twitter etc that it will be a GAD 2010
- we can have flyers about it at the next GDC (anyone going?)

We can even setup a contest with a prize for the best solution funded like this:
- the contestants pay say 100 USD to participate in the contest (this is how it works with the Independent Games Festiva)l Perhaps we could sync with IGF to have a GA prize? Either that or we have our own contest.
- the 100 USD from each contestant is used a prize money so the more contestants, the bigger the prize money. 

The good about the IGF approach is marketing; we can easily reach out to a large audience about the contest, and about the prize at GDC etc. The (possibly) bad thing about it may be that the IGF likely have some fees so we can't bring all the money from the contestants straight to the prize money but that could be a good enough trade off for the marketing and PR IGF provides.

/Thomas



On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:54 AM, D. Michelle Hinn wrote:

> Oops -- caught this in the list net! Reposting!
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
>> Date: December 3, 2009 6:32:32 PM CST
>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
>> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>> 
>> 
>> Really good idea, Thomas. Maybe tie it up with the UN's International Day of People with Disability, which was yesterday (depending on your time zone - 3rd December each year).
>>  
>> http://blogs.watoday.com.au/digital-life/screenplay/2009/12/03/makinggamesmo.html
>>  
>> Maybe this kind of thing will make it mean something more than it does to some at present: http://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/opinion/b1tch/db_v_internationaldaydisabled.shtml.
>>  
>> Cheers,
>>  
>> Barrie
>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>  
>> p.s. - This looks interesting - http://www.vision-audio.com/ease_games.html
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> From: thomas at pininteractive.com
>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:12 AM
>> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
>> 
>> good idea
>> 
>> I have been thinking about establishing a Game Accessibility Day; during that day game companies should spend 8 hours to implement one access feature in (one of) their current game(s). That is 1/365 of their budget which for a million dollar game  is approx 3000 dollars.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Thomas
>> 
>> (Sent from my mobile)
>> 
>> On 3 dec 2009, at 11.08, "John Bannick" <jbannick at 7128.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Folks,
>>> 
>>> The SIG does more to make computer games accessible than anywhere else I've found on the Web.
>>> 
>>> Here's something additional we all can do this month.
>>> 
>>> 1. Buy accessible games as gifts (Not necessarily ours, but anyones?) 
>>> 2. Suggest to friends and family that accessible games make good gifts 
>>> 3. And, most importantly, suggest to everyone who?ll stand still for a minute that they tell game companies when they?ve bought their game because it was accessible. 
>>> 
>>> Our own 7-128 Software recently released Visit Salem, a travelogue game. It includes over 6 hours of audio descriptions, history, architecture, music and interviews. It?s also totally inaccessible to players who are blind, deaf, or motion-impaired. 
>>> 
>>> Why? Because it would take an additional 6 months to make it accessible. Even with a code base that includes a lot of accessibility   features and useful guidance from John Oliveira, a colleague and head of our Massachusetts Commission for the Blind, and from you and other folks I know in the accessibility community. 
>>> 
>>> I?d love to make it accessible to players who are blind, or deaf, or motion-impaired. But the consensus among our management team is that there are too few potential sales to justify the effort and expense, at least at this time. 
>>> 
>>> Game margins are razor slim. Electronic Arts lost tens of millions of dollars this year, also last year. The difference between profit and loss at our small mainstream company is tiny. 
>>> 
>>> Posts by other colleagues suggest that a few more sales could help pay their light bills, too. 
>>> 
>>> Posts by Barrie, Dark, Mark Barlet, Brian Papineau, and my own experience here suggest that some mainstream game companies do respond positively when you tell them ?I buy your stuff because you make it work for me. I buy other people?s stuff when you don?t? (Recent news notwithstanding)
>>> 
>>> So, over the next few weeks you personally can make a difference by bugging people to buy accessible games and for them to tell developers when they do.
>>> 
>>> John Bannick 
>>> Chief Technical Officer 
>>> 7-128 Software 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> 
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri Dec  4 13:49:28 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:49:28 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Day
In-Reply-To: <833A143D-79D0-439C-BD80-E2ED0CE62779@pininteractive.com>
References: <mailman.172.1259887213.24536.games_access@igda.org>
	<76248894-B2B0-4F77-8DB9-6B72CCA392A8@uiuc.edu>
	<833A143D-79D0-439C-BD80-E2ED0CE62779@pininteractive.com>
Message-ID: <FBA6412D-BE85-4ADE-A617-EE365BFEB00E@uiuc.edu>

It's a great idea and I think being able to plan this with a year in  
advance is probably our best best for GAD 2010 :)

I'll be at GDC and we can put this into SIG fliers, which we can have  
at IGDA events and such for free. Otherwise there's the GDC fee for  
having a flier and those are out of price range, as we know!

Let's aim to have the contest at GDC 2011 and that way we have plenty  
of time to talk to them, IGF, etc about this.

As for this year's GDC (San Francisco -- the Mothership GDC!) in  
March it was just announces that this year's Gamma contest at GDC is  
for One Button Games (http://www.kokoromi.org/gamma4/)! Barrie and I  
are working with them to make sure that all of the collective  
"lessons learned" by Barrie and others at One Switch is given to the  
contestants and we are hoping that they include a side award for  
"most accessible" one button game. But they have already made sure to  
make clear that these are PURE one button games by excluding use of D  
pads, etc in the entire contest thanks to Barrie! :)

Good fortune that they chose that as their theme. An old friend of  
mine is one of the "four" behind the mask! So she has already heard  
me over the years of working with her in the IGDA and gets our  
message! :)

In case a post got lost about it, the Gamma 4 contest information is at:

http://www.kokoromi.org/gamma4/

Deadline to enter is January 31st 2010 at 11:59pm US Pacific Time. So  
all you one-switch game creators...GO FOR IT!!! :) And everyone  
spread the word on your websites!

And, yes, the SIG website is getting worked on -- anyone that would  
like to help in this effort, please email me offlist at hinn at uiuc.edu  
-- thanks!

Michelle

On Dec 4, 2009, at 2:02 AM, Thomas Westin wrote:

> Thanks Barrie and Michelle,
>
> yeah the UN day is a great combo, wasn't aware that it was yesterday
>
> I propose we do it in the simplest way possible, just by
> - deciding to use the UN day as the Game Accessibility Day (GAD)
> - put into blogs, twitter etc that it will be a GAD 2010
> - we can have flyers about it at the next GDC (anyone going?)
>
> We can even setup a contest with a prize for the best solution  
> funded like this:
> - the contestants pay say 100 USD to participate in the contest  
> (this is how it works with the Independent Games Festiva)l Perhaps  
> we could sync with IGF to have a GA prize? Either that or we have  
> our own contest.
> - the 100 USD from each contestant is used a prize money so the  
> more contestants, the bigger the prize money.
>
> The good about the IGF approach is marketing; we can easily reach  
> out to a large audience about the contest, and about the prize at  
> GDC etc. The (possibly) bad thing about it may be that the IGF  
> likely have some fees so we can't bring all the money from the  
> contestants straight to the prize money but that could be a good  
> enough trade off for the marketing and PR IGF provides.
>
> /Thomas
>
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:54 AM, D. Michelle Hinn wrote:
>
>> Oops -- caught this in the list net! Reposting!
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
>>> Date: December 3, 2009 6:32:32 PM CST
>>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"  
>>> <games_access at igda.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
>>> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>>>
>>>
>>> Really good idea, Thomas. Maybe tie it up with the UN's  
>>> International Day of People with Disability, which was yesterday  
>>> (depending on your time zone - 3rd December each year).
>>>
>>> http://blogs.watoday.com.au/digital-life/screenplay/2009/12/03/ 
>>> makinggamesmo.html
>>>
>>> Maybe this kind of thing will make it mean something more than it  
>>> does to some at present: http://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/opinion/b1tch/ 
>>> db_v_internationaldaydisabled.shtml.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Barrie
>>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>>
>>> p.s. - This looks interesting - http://www.vision-audio.com/ 
>>> ease_games.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: thomas at pininteractive.com
>>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:12 AM
>>> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
>>>
>>> good idea
>>>
>>> I have been thinking about establishing a Game Accessibility Day;  
>>> during that day game companies should spend 8 hours to implement  
>>> one access feature in (one of) their current game(s). That is  
>>> 1/365 of their budget which for a million dollar game  is approx  
>>> 3000 dollars.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>> (Sent from my mobile)
>>>
>>> On 3 dec 2009, at 11.08, "John Bannick" <jbannick at 7128.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> The SIG does more to make computer games accessible than  
>>>> anywhere else I've found on the Web.
>>>>
>>>> Here's something additional we all can do this month.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Buy accessible games as gifts (Not necessarily ours, but  
>>>> anyones?)
>>>> 2. Suggest to friends and family that accessible games make good  
>>>> gifts
>>>> 3. And, most importantly, suggest to everyone who?ll stand still  
>>>> for a minute that they tell game companies when they?ve bought  
>>>> their game because it was accessible.
>>>>
>>>> Our own 7-128 Software recently released Visit Salem, a  
>>>> travelogue game. It includes over 6 hours of audio descriptions,  
>>>> history, architecture, music and interviews. It?s also totally  
>>>> inaccessible to players who are blind, deaf, or motion-impaired.
>>>>
>>>> Why? Because it would take an additional 6 months to make it  
>>>> accessible. Even with a code base that includes a lot of  
>>>> accessibility features and useful guidance from John Oliveira, a  
>>>> colleague and head of our Massachusetts Commission for the  
>>>> Blind, and from you and other folks I know in the accessibility  
>>>> community.
>>>>
>>>> I?d love to make it accessible to players who are blind, or  
>>>> deaf, or motion-impaired. But the consensus among our management  
>>>> team is that there are too few potential sales to justify the  
>>>> effort and expense, at least at this time.
>>>>
>>>> Game margins are razor slim. Electronic Arts lost tens of  
>>>> millions of dollars this year, also last year. The difference  
>>>> between profit and loss at our small mainstream company is tiny.
>>>>
>>>> Posts by other colleagues suggest that a few more sales could  
>>>> help pay their light bills, too.
>>>>
>>>> Posts by Barrie, Dark, Mark Barlet, Brian Papineau, and my own  
>>>> experience here suggest that some mainstream game companies do  
>>>> respond positively when you tell them ?I buy your stuff because  
>>>> you make it work for me. I buy other people?s stuff when you  
>>>> don?t? (Recent news notwithstanding)
>>>>
>>>> So, over the next few weeks you personally can make a difference  
>>>> by bugging people to buy accessible games and for them to tell  
>>>> developers when they do.
>>>>
>>>> John Bannick
>>>> Chief Technical Officer
>>>> 7-128 Software
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
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From richard at audiogames.net  Fri Dec  4 14:03:08 2009
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:03:08 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Day
References: <mailman.172.1259887213.24536.games_access@igda.org><76248894-B2B0-4F77-8DB9-6B72CCA392A8@uiuc.edu><833A143D-79D0-439C-BD80-E2ED0CE62779@pininteractive.com>
	<FBA6412D-BE85-4ADE-A617-EE365BFEB00E@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <32CD2EC3261A4031911278502250043A@Delletje>

Hi,

Haven't looked at the Gamma4 website, so maybe this is already on there, but I'd strongly suggest publishing a list of one-button games examples - preferably on the Gamma4 website next to the contest description, or otherwise very near. This is based on my experience with the Experimental Audio Games that were developed each year by students at my work. The thing I learned was that pointing people to AudioGames.net and saying "here're some examples of what's already been done, have a look (or listen) and take it to the next level" is not enough if you are after innovative audio/one button games. The unfortunate result in my case was that most teams came up with stuff that was already out there, and often better already. In my experience showing designers a good overview of what already has been done, is more likely to result in more innovative game design, instead of leaving repetoire research up to the designers.

Greets,

Richard


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: D. Michelle Hinn 
  To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
  Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Day


  It's a great idea and I think being able to plan this with a year in advance is probably our best best for GAD 2010 :)


  I'll be at GDC and we can put this into SIG fliers, which we can have at IGDA events and such for free. Otherwise there's the GDC fee for having a flier and those are out of price range, as we know!


  Let's aim to have the contest at GDC 2011 and that way we have plenty of time to talk to them, IGF, etc about this.


  As for this year's GDC (San Francisco -- the Mothership GDC!) in March it was just announces that this year's Gamma contest at GDC is for One Button Games (http://www.kokoromi.org/gamma4/)! Barrie and I are working with them to make sure that all of the collective "lessons learned" by Barrie and others at One Switch is given to the contestants and we are hoping that they include a side award for "most accessible" one button game. But they have already made sure to make clear that these are PURE one button games by excluding use of D pads, etc in the entire contest thanks to Barrie! :)


  Good fortune that they chose that as their theme. An old friend of mine is one of the "four" behind the mask! So she has already heard me over the years of working with her in the IGDA and gets our message! :)


  In case a post got lost about it, the Gamma 4 contest information is at:


  http://www.kokoromi.org/gamma4/


  Deadline to enter is January 31st 2010 at 11:59pm US Pacific Time. So all you one-switch game creators...GO FOR IT!!! :) And everyone spread the word on your websites! 


  And, yes, the SIG website is getting worked on -- anyone that would like to help in this effort, please email me offlist at hinn at uiuc.edu -- thanks!


  Michelle


  On Dec 4, 2009, at 2:02 AM, Thomas Westin wrote:


    Thanks Barrie and Michelle,


    yeah the UN day is a great combo, wasn't aware that it was yesterday


    I propose we do it in the simplest way possible, just by 
    - deciding to use the UN day as the Game Accessibility Day (GAD)
    - put into blogs, twitter etc that it will be a GAD 2010
    - we can have flyers about it at the next GDC (anyone going?)


    We can even setup a contest with a prize for the best solution funded like this:
    - the contestants pay say 100 USD to participate in the contest (this is how it works with the Independent Games Festiva)l Perhaps we could sync with IGF to have a GA prize? Either that or we have our own contest.
    - the 100 USD from each contestant is used a prize money so the more contestants, the bigger the prize money. 


    The good about the IGF approach is marketing; we can easily reach out to a large audience about the contest, and about the prize at GDC etc. The (possibly) bad thing about it may be that the IGF likely have some fees so we can't bring all the money from the contestants straight to the prize money but that could be a good enough trade off for the marketing and PR IGF provides.


    /Thomas






    On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:54 AM, D. Michelle Hinn wrote:


      Oops -- caught this in the list net! Reposting!



      Begin forwarded message:


        From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
        Date: December 3, 2009 6:32:32 PM CST
        To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
        Subject: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
        Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>




        Really good idea, Thomas. Maybe tie it up with the UN's International Day of People with Disability, which was yesterday (depending on your time zone - 3rd December each year).

        http://blogs.watoday.com.au/digital-life/screenplay/2009/12/03/makinggamesmo.html

        Maybe this kind of thing will make it mean something more than it does to some at present: http://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/opinion/b1tch/db_v_internationaldaydisabled.shtml.

        Cheers,

        Barrie
        www.OneSwitch.org.uk

        p.s. - This looks interesting - http://www.vision-audio.com/ease_games.html





        From: thomas at pininteractive.com 
        Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:12 AM
        To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List 
        Subject: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference


        good idea


        I have been thinking about establishing a Game Accessibility Day; during that day game companies should spend 8 hours to implement one access feature in (one of) their current game(s). That is 1/365 of their budget which for a million dollar game  is approx 3000 dollars.


        Kind regards,

        Thomas


        (Sent from my mobile)

        On 3 dec 2009, at 11.08, "John Bannick" <jbannick at 7128.com> wrote:


          Folks,

          The SIG does more to make computer games accessible than anywhere else I've found on the Web.

          Here's something additional we all can do this month.

          1. Buy accessible games as gifts (Not necessarily ours, but anyones?) 
          2. Suggest to friends and family that accessible games make good gifts 
          3. And, most importantly, suggest to everyone who?ll stand still for a minute that they tell game companies when they?ve bought their game because it was accessible. 

          Our own 7-128 Software recently released Visit Salem, a travelogue game. It includes over 6 hours of audio descriptions, history, architecture, music and interviews. It?s also totally inaccessible to players who are blind, deaf, or motion-impaired. 

          Why? Because it would take an additional 6 months to make it accessible. Even with a code base that includes a lot of accessibility features and useful guidance from John Oliveira, a colleague and head of our Massachusetts Commission for the Blind, and from you and other folks I know in the accessibility community. 

          I?d love to make it accessible to players who are blind, or deaf, or motion-impaired. But the consensus among our management team is that there are too few potential sales to justify the effort and expense, at least at this time. 

          Game margins are razor slim. Electronic Arts lost tens of millions of dollars this year, also last year. The difference between profit and loss at our small mainstream company is tiny. 

          Posts by other colleagues suggest that a few more sales could help pay their light bills, too. 

          Posts by Barrie, Dark, Mark Barlet, Brian Papineau, and my own experience here suggest that some mainstream game companies do respond positively when you tell them ?I buy your stuff because you make it work for me. I buy other people?s stuff when you don?t? (Recent news notwithstanding)

          So, over the next few weeks you personally can make a difference by bugging people to buy accessible games and for them to tell developers when they do.

          John Bannick 
          Chief Technical Officer 
          7-128 Software 



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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Fri Dec  4 15:07:37 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:07:37 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Day
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Already in the works! :)

On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:03 PM, AudioGames.net wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Haven't looked at the Gamma4 website, so maybe this is already on  
> there, but I'd strongly suggest publishing a list of one-button  
> games examples - preferably on the Gamma4 website next to the  
> contest description, or otherwise very near. This is based on my  
> experience with the Experimental Audio Games that were developed  
> each year by students at my work. The thing I learned was that  
> pointing people to AudioGames.net and saying "here're some examples  
> of what's already been done, have a look (or listen) and take it to  
> the next level" is not enough if you are after innovative audio/one  
> button games. The unfortunate result in my case was that most teams  
> came up with stuff that was already out there, and often better  
> already. In my experience showing designers a good overview of what  
> already has been done, is more likely to result in more innovative  
> game design, instead of leaving repetoire research up to the  
> designers.
>
> Greets,
>
> Richard
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: D. Michelle Hinn
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Day
>
> It's a great idea and I think being able to plan this with a year  
> in advance is probably our best best for GAD 2010 :)
>
> I'll be at GDC and we can put this into SIG fliers, which we can  
> have at IGDA events and such for free. Otherwise there's the GDC  
> fee for having a flier and those are out of price range, as we know!
>
> Let's aim to have the contest at GDC 2011 and that way we have  
> plenty of time to talk to them, IGF, etc about this.
>
> As for this year's GDC (San Francisco -- the Mothership GDC!) in  
> March it was just announces that this year's Gamma contest at GDC  
> is for One Button Games (http://www.kokoromi.org/gamma4/)! Barrie  
> and I are working with them to make sure that all of the collective  
> "lessons learned" by Barrie and others at One Switch is given to  
> the contestants and we are hoping that they include a side award  
> for "most accessible" one button game. But they have already made  
> sure to make clear that these are PURE one button games by  
> excluding use of D pads, etc in the entire contest thanks to  
> Barrie! :)
>
> Good fortune that they chose that as their theme. An old friend of  
> mine is one of the "four" behind the mask! So she has already heard  
> me over the years of working with her in the IGDA and gets our  
> message! :)
>
> In case a post got lost about it, the Gamma 4 contest information  
> is at:
>
> http://www.kokoromi.org/gamma4/
>
> Deadline to enter is January 31st 2010 at 11:59pm US Pacific Time.  
> So all you one-switch game creators...GO FOR IT!!! :) And everyone  
> spread the word on your websites!
>
> And, yes, the SIG website is getting worked on -- anyone that would  
> like to help in this effort, please email me offlist at  
> hinn at uiuc.edu -- thanks!
>
> Michelle
>
> On Dec 4, 2009, at 2:02 AM, Thomas Westin wrote:
>
>> Thanks Barrie and Michelle,
>>
>> yeah the UN day is a great combo, wasn't aware that it was yesterday
>>
>> I propose we do it in the simplest way possible, just by
>> - deciding to use the UN day as the Game Accessibility Day (GAD)
>> - put into blogs, twitter etc that it will be a GAD 2010
>> - we can have flyers about it at the next GDC (anyone going?)
>>
>> We can even setup a contest with a prize for the best solution  
>> funded like this:
>> - the contestants pay say 100 USD to participate in the contest  
>> (this is how it works with the Independent Games Festiva)l Perhaps  
>> we could sync with IGF to have a GA prize? Either that or we have  
>> our own contest.
>> - the 100 USD from each contestant is used a prize money so the  
>> more contestants, the bigger the prize money.
>>
>> The good about the IGF approach is marketing; we can easily reach  
>> out to a large audience about the contest, and about the prize at  
>> GDC etc. The (possibly) bad thing about it may be that the IGF  
>> likely have some fees so we can't bring all the money from the  
>> contestants straight to the prize money but that could be a good  
>> enough trade off for the marketing and PR IGF provides.
>>
>> /Thomas
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:54 AM, D. Michelle Hinn wrote:
>>
>>> Oops -- caught this in the list net! Reposting!
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
>>>> Date: December 3, 2009 6:32:32 PM CST
>>>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"  
>>>> <games_access at igda.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
>>>> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Really good idea, Thomas. Maybe tie it up with the UN's  
>>>> International Day of People with Disability, which was yesterday  
>>>> (depending on your time zone - 3rd December each year).
>>>>
>>>> http://blogs.watoday.com.au/digital-life/screenplay/2009/12/03/ 
>>>> makinggamesmo.html
>>>>
>>>> Maybe this kind of thing will make it mean something more than  
>>>> it does to some at present: http://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/opinion/ 
>>>> b1tch/db_v_internationaldaydisabled.shtml.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Barrie
>>>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>>>
>>>> p.s. - This looks interesting - http://www.vision-audio.com/ 
>>>> ease_games.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: thomas at pininteractive.com
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:12 AM
>>>> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
>>>>
>>>> good idea
>>>>
>>>> I have been thinking about establishing a Game Accessibility  
>>>> Day; during that day game companies should spend 8 hours to  
>>>> implement one access feature in (one of) their current game(s).  
>>>> That is 1/365 of their budget which for a million dollar game   
>>>> is approx 3000 dollars.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>> (Sent from my mobile)
>>>>
>>>> On 3 dec 2009, at 11.08, "John Bannick" <jbannick at 7128.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> The SIG does more to make computer games accessible than  
>>>>> anywhere else I've found on the Web.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's something additional we all can do this month.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Buy accessible games as gifts (Not necessarily ours, but  
>>>>> anyones?)
>>>>> 2. Suggest to friends and family that accessible games make  
>>>>> good gifts
>>>>> 3. And, most importantly, suggest to everyone who?ll stand  
>>>>> still for a minute that they tell game companies when they?ve  
>>>>> bought their game because it was accessible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our own 7-128 Software recently released Visit Salem, a  
>>>>> travelogue game. It includes over 6 hours of audio  
>>>>> descriptions, history, architecture, music and interviews. It?s  
>>>>> also totally inaccessible to players who are blind, deaf, or  
>>>>> motion-impaired.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? Because it would take an additional 6 months to make it  
>>>>> accessible. Even with a code base that includes a lot of  
>>>>> accessibility features and useful guidance from John Oliveira,  
>>>>> a colleague and head of our Massachusetts Commission for the  
>>>>> Blind, and from you and other folks I know in the accessibility  
>>>>> community.
>>>>>
>>>>> I?d love to make it accessible to players who are blind, or  
>>>>> deaf, or motion-impaired. But the consensus among our  
>>>>> management team is that there are too few potential sales to  
>>>>> justify the effort and expense, at least at this time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Game margins are razor slim. Electronic Arts lost tens of  
>>>>> millions of dollars this year, also last year. The difference  
>>>>> between profit and loss at our small mainstream company is tiny.
>>>>>
>>>>> Posts by other colleagues suggest that a few more sales could  
>>>>> help pay their light bills, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Posts by Barrie, Dark, Mark Barlet, Brian Papineau, and my own  
>>>>> experience here suggest that some mainstream game companies do  
>>>>> respond positively when you tell them ?I buy your stuff because  
>>>>> you make it work for me. I buy other people?s stuff when you  
>>>>> don?t? (Recent news notwithstanding)
>>>>>
>>>>> So, over the next few weeks you personally can make a  
>>>>> difference by bugging people to buy accessible games and for  
>>>>> them to tell developers when they do.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Bannick
>>>>> Chief Technical Officer
>>>>> 7-128 Software
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
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>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> games_access at igda.org
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>
>
>
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From mark at ablegamers.com  Fri Dec  4 15:10:18 2009
From: mark at ablegamers.com (Mark Barlet)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:10:18 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Day
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	<76248894-B2B0-4F77-8DB9-6B72CCA392A8@uiuc.edu>
	<833A143D-79D0-439C-BD80-E2ED0CE62779@pininteractive.com>
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That is a great idea, it will kind of show that some have been done,
and encourage innovation. I do recall Barrie had a list somewhere of
oneswitch games.

Mark
AbleGamers.com

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:03 PM, AudioGames.net <richard at audiogames.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Haven't looked at the Gamma4 website, so maybe this is already on there, but
> I'd strongly suggest publishing a?list of one-button games examples -
> preferably on the Gamma4 website next to the contest description, or
> otherwise very near. This is based on my experience with the Experimental
> Audio Games that were developed each year by students at my work. The thing
> I learned was that pointing people to AudioGames.net and saying
> "here're?some examples of what's already been done, have a look (or listen)
> and take it to the next?level" is not enough if you are after innovative
> audio/one button games. The unfortunate result?in my case was that most
> teams came up with stuff that was already out there, and often?better
> already. In my experience showing designers a good overview of what already
> has been done, is more likely to result in more innovative game design,
> instead of leaving repetoire research up to the designers.
>
> Greets,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: D. Michelle Hinn
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Day
> It's a great idea and I think being able to plan this with a year in advance
> is probably our best best for GAD 2010 :)
> I'll be at GDC and we can put this into SIG fliers, which we can have at
> IGDA events and such for free. Otherwise there's the GDC fee for having a
> flier and those are out of price range, as we know!
> Let's aim to have the contest at GDC 2011 and that way we have plenty of
> time to talk to them, IGF, etc about this.
> As for this year's GDC (San Francisco -- the Mothership GDC!) in March it
> was just announces that this year's Gamma contest at GDC is for One Button
> Games (http://www.kokoromi.org/gamma4/)!?Barrie and I are working with them
> to make sure that all of the collective "lessons learned" by Barrie and
> others at One Switch is given to the contestants and we are hoping that they
> include a side award for "most accessible" one button game. But they have
> already made sure to make clear that these are PURE one button games by
> excluding use of D pads, etc in the entire contest thanks to Barrie! :)
> Good fortune that they chose that as their theme. An old friend of mine is
> one of the "four" behind the mask! So she has already heard me over the
> years of working with her in the IGDA and gets our message! :)
> In case a post got lost about it, the Gamma 4 contest information is at:
> http://www.kokoromi.org/gamma4/
> Deadline to enter is January 31st 2010 at 11:59pm US Pacific Time. So all
> you one-switch game creators...GO FOR IT!!! :) And everyone spread the word
> on your websites!
> And, yes, the SIG website is getting worked on -- anyone that would like to
> help in this effort, please email me offlist at hinn at uiuc.edu -- thanks!
> Michelle
> On Dec 4, 2009, at 2:02 AM, Thomas Westin wrote:
>
> Thanks Barrie and Michelle,
> yeah the UN day is a great combo, wasn't aware that it was yesterday
> I propose we do it in the simplest way possible, just by
> - deciding to use the UN day as the Game Accessibility Day (GAD)
> - put into blogs, twitter etc that it will be a GAD 2010
> - we can have flyers about it at the next GDC (anyone going?)
> We can even setup a contest with a prize for the best solution funded like
> this:
> - the contestants pay say 100 USD to participate in the contest (this is how
> it works with the Independent Games Festiva)l Perhaps we could sync with IGF
> to have a GA prize? Either that or we have our own contest.
> - the 100 USD from each contestant is used a prize money so the more
> contestants, the bigger the prize money.
> The good about the IGF approach is marketing; we can easily reach out to a
> large audience about the contest, and about the prize at GDC etc. The
> (possibly) bad thing about it may be that the IGF likely have some fees so
> we can't bring all the money from the contestants straight to the prize
> money but that could be a good enough trade off for the marketing and PR IGF
> provides.
> /Thomas
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:54 AM, D. Michelle Hinn wrote:
>
> Oops -- caught this in the list net! Reposting!
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
> Date: December 3, 2009 6:32:32 PM CST
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>
> Really good idea, Thomas. Maybe tie it up with the UN's International Day of
> People with Disability, which was yesterday (depending on your time zone
> -?3rd December each year).
>
> http://blogs.watoday.com.au/digital-life/screenplay/2009/12/03/makinggamesmo.html
>
> Maybe this kind of thing will make it mean something more than it does to
> some at present:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/opinion/b1tch/db_v_internationaldaydisabled.shtml.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Barrie
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
> p.s. - This looks interesting - http://www.vision-audio.com/ease_games.html
>
>
>
> From: thomas at pininteractive.com
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:12 AM
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
> good idea
> I have been thinking about establishing a Game Accessibility Day; during
> that day game companies should spend 8 hours to implement one access feature
> in (one of) their current game(s). That is 1/365 of their budget which for a
> million dollar game ?is approx 3000 dollars.
>
> Kind regards,
> Thomas
> (Sent from my mobile)
> On 3 dec 2009, at 11.08, "John Bannick" <jbannick at 7128.com> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> The SIG does more to make computer games accessible than anywhere else I've
> found on the Web.
>
> Here's something additional we all can do this month.
>
> 1. Buy accessible games as gifts (Not necessarily ours, but anyones?)
> 2. Suggest to friends and family that accessible games make good gifts
> 3. And, most importantly, suggest to everyone who?ll stand still for a
> minute that they tell game companies when they?ve bought their game because
> it was accessible.
>
> Our own 7-128 Software recently released Visit Salem, a travelogue game. It
> includes over 6 hours of audio descriptions, history, architecture, music
> and interviews. It?s also totally inaccessible to players who are blind,
> deaf, or motion-impaired.
>
> Why? Because it would take an additional 6 months to make it accessible.
> Even with a code base that includes a lot of accessibility features and
> useful guidance from John Oliveira, a colleague and head of our
> Massachusetts Commission for the Blind, and from you and other folks I know
> in the accessibility community.
>
> I?d love to make it accessible to players who are blind, or deaf, or
> motion-impaired. But the consensus among our management team is that there
> are too few potential sales to justify the effort and expense, at least at
> this time.
>
> Game margins are razor slim. Electronic Arts lost tens of millions of
> dollars this year, also last year. The difference between profit and loss at
> our small mainstream company is tiny.
>
> Posts by other colleagues suggest that a few more sales could help pay their
> light bills, too.
>
> Posts by Barrie, Dark, Mark Barlet, Brian Papineau, and my own experience
> here suggest that some mainstream game companies do respond positively when
> you tell them ?I buy your stuff because you make it work for me. I buy other
> people?s stuff when you don?t? (Recent news notwithstanding)
>
> So, over the next few weeks you personally can make a difference by bugging
> people to buy accessible games and for them to tell developers when they do.
>
> John Bannick
> Chief Technical Officer
> 7-128 Software
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
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>
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From sandra_uhling at web.de  Fri Dec  4 15:51:48 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:51:48 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Blogroll List for GA?
Message-ID: <005201ca7523$997e0b00$cc7a2100$@de>

Hi,

do we have a nice Blogroll list for GA topics?
I would like to add some at my Blogroll.

When you send me yours write: Name   URL
Thanks

Best regards,
Sandra



From mark at ablegamers.com  Fri Dec  4 15:55:48 2009
From: mark at ablegamers.com (Mark Barlet)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:55:48 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Blogroll List for GA?
In-Reply-To: <005201ca7523$997e0b00$cc7a2100$@de>
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I think Barrie's site has the best list I have seen.

Mark

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Sandra Uhling <sandra_uhling at web.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> do we have a nice Blogroll list for GA topics?
> I would like to add some at my Blogroll.
>
> When you send me yours write: Name ? URL
> Thanks
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Fri Dec  4 19:21:32 2009
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 01:21:32 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Computer vision
Message-ID: <42A9ABBC-9EB4-44F3-BFFA-495C8CF1D463@pininteractive.com>

Hi,

new research from MIT and Harvard,
http://vimeo.com/7945275

I can see some future potential in this to get accurate recogntionds

but of course there already is 
http://www.artificialvision.com/

/thomas


From inrnette at aol.com  Sat Dec  5 00:18:19 2009
From: inrnette at aol.com (John Morgan)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 05:18:19 +0000
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Day
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They were on his web site at one switch.
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Barlet <mark at ablegamers.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:10:18 
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Day

That is a great idea, it will kind of show that some have been done,
and encourage innovation. I do recall Barrie had a list somewhere of
oneswitch games.

Mark
AbleGamers.com

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:03 PM, AudioGames.net <richard at audiogames.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Haven't looked at the Gamma4 website, so maybe this is already on there, but
> I'd strongly suggest publishing a?list of one-button games examples -
> preferably on the Gamma4 website next to the contest description, or
> otherwise very near. This is based on my experience with the Experimental
> Audio Games that were developed each year by students at my work. The thing
> I learned was that pointing people to AudioGames.net and saying
> "here're?some examples of what's already been done, have a look (or listen)
> and take it to the next?level" is not enough if you are after innovative
> audio/one button games. The unfortunate result?in my case was that most
> teams came up with stuff that was already out there, and often?better
> already. In my experience showing designers a good overview of what already
> has been done, is more likely to result in more innovative game design,
> instead of leaving repetoire research up to the designers.
>
> Greets,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: D. Michelle Hinn
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Day
> It's a great idea and I think being able to plan this with a year in advance
> is probably our best best for GAD 2010 :)
> I'll be at GDC and we can put this into SIG fliers, which we can have at
> IGDA events and such for free. Otherwise there's the GDC fee for having a
> flier and those are out of price range, as we know!
> Let's aim to have the contest at GDC 2011 and that way we have plenty of
> time to talk to them, IGF, etc about this.
> As for this year's GDC (San Francisco -- the Mothership GDC!) in March it
> was just announces that this year's Gamma contest at GDC is for One Button
> Games (http://www.kokoromi.org/gamma4/)!?Barrie and I are working with them
> to make sure that all of the collective "lessons learned" by Barrie and
> others at One Switch is given to the contestants and we are hoping that they
> include a side award for "most accessible" one button game. But they have
> already made sure to make clear that these are PURE one button games by
> excluding use of D pads, etc in the entire contest thanks to Barrie! :)
> Good fortune that they chose that as their theme. An old friend of mine is
> one of the "four" behind the mask! So she has already heard me over the
> years of working with her in the IGDA and gets our message! :)
> In case a post got lost about it, the Gamma 4 contest information is at:
> http://www.kokoromi.org/gamma4/
> Deadline to enter is January 31st 2010 at 11:59pm US Pacific Time. So all
> you one-switch game creators...GO FOR IT!!! :) And everyone spread the word
> on your websites!
> And, yes, the SIG website is getting worked on -- anyone that would like to
> help in this effort, please email me offlist at hinn at uiuc.edu -- thanks!
> Michelle
> On Dec 4, 2009, at 2:02 AM, Thomas Westin wrote:
>
> Thanks Barrie and Michelle,
> yeah the UN day is a great combo, wasn't aware that it was yesterday
> I propose we do it in the simplest way possible, just by
> - deciding to use the UN day as the Game Accessibility Day (GAD)
> - put into blogs, twitter etc that it will be a GAD 2010
> - we can have flyers about it at the next GDC (anyone going?)
> We can even setup a contest with a prize for the best solution funded like
> this:
> - the contestants pay say 100 USD to participate in the contest (this is how
> it works with the Independent Games Festiva)l Perhaps we could sync with IGF
> to have a GA prize? Either that or we have our own contest.
> - the 100 USD from each contestant is used a prize money so the more
> contestants, the bigger the prize money.
> The good about the IGF approach is marketing; we can easily reach out to a
> large audience about the contest, and about the prize at GDC etc. The
> (possibly) bad thing about it may be that the IGF likely have some fees so
> we can't bring all the money from the contestants straight to the prize
> money but that could be a good enough trade off for the marketing and PR IGF
> provides.
> /Thomas
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:54 AM, D. Michelle Hinn wrote:
>
> Oops -- caught this in the list net! Reposting!
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
> Date: December 3, 2009 6:32:32 PM CST
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>
> Really good idea, Thomas. Maybe tie it up with the UN's International Day of
> People with Disability, which was yesterday (depending on your time zone
> -?3rd December each year).
>
> http://blogs.watoday.com.au/digital-life/screenplay/2009/12/03/makinggamesmo.html
>
> Maybe this kind of thing will make it mean something more than it does to
> some at present:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/opinion/b1tch/db_v_internationaldaydisabled.shtml.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Barrie
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
> p.s. - This looks interesting - http://www.vision-audio.com/ease_games.html
>
>
>
> From: thomas at pininteractive.com
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:12 AM
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
> good idea
> I have been thinking about establishing a Game Accessibility Day; during
> that day game companies should spend 8 hours to implement one access feature
> in (one of) their current game(s). That is 1/365 of their budget which for a
> million dollar game ?is approx 3000 dollars.
>
> Kind regards,
> Thomas
> (Sent from my mobile)
> On 3 dec 2009, at 11.08, "John Bannick" <jbannick at 7128.com> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> The SIG does more to make computer games accessible than anywhere else I've
> found on the Web.
>
> Here's something additional we all can do this month.
>
> 1. Buy accessible games as gifts (Not necessarily ours, but anyones?)
> 2. Suggest to friends and family that accessible games make good gifts
> 3. And, most importantly, suggest to everyone who?ll stand still for a
> minute that they tell game companies when they?ve bought their game because
> it was accessible.
>
> Our own 7-128 Software recently released Visit Salem, a travelogue game. It
> includes over 6 hours of audio descriptions, history, architecture, music
> and interviews. It?s also totally inaccessible to players who are blind,
> deaf, or motion-impaired.
>
> Why? Because it would take an additional 6 months to make it accessible.
> Even with a code base that includes a lot of accessibility features and
> useful guidance from John Oliveira, a colleague and head of our
> Massachusetts Commission for the Blind, and from you and other folks I know
> in the accessibility community.
>
> I?d love to make it accessible to players who are blind, or deaf, or
> motion-impaired. But the consensus among our management team is that there
> are too few potential sales to justify the effort and expense, at least at
> this time.
>
> Game margins are razor slim. Electronic Arts lost tens of millions of
> dollars this year, also last year. The difference between profit and loss at
> our small mainstream company is tiny.
>
> Posts by other colleagues suggest that a few more sales could help pay their
> light bills, too.
>
> Posts by Barrie, Dark, Mark Barlet, Brian Papineau, and my own experience
> here suggest that some mainstream game companies do respond positively when
> you tell them ?I buy your stuff because you make it work for me. I buy other
> people?s stuff when you don?t? (Recent news notwithstanding)
>
> So, over the next few weeks you personally can make a difference by bugging
> people to buy accessible games and for them to tell developers when they do.
>
> John Bannick
> Chief Technical Officer
> 7-128 Software
>
>
>_______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>________________________________
>_______________________________________________
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> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
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> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>_______________________________________________
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> games_access at igda.org
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>
>________________________________
>
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>
>_______________________________________________
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> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>



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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sat Dec  5 00:57:11 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 23:57:11 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Game Accessibility Day
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References: <mailman.172.1259887213.24536.games_access@igda.org><76248894-B2B0-4F77-8DB9-6B72CCA392A8@uiuc.edu><833A143D-79D0-439C-BD80-E2ED0CE62779@pininteractive.com><FBA6412D-BE85-4ADE-A617-EE365BFEB00E@uiuc.edu><32CD2EC3261A4031911278502250043A@Delletje><191870b70912041210u765bb511x8235f26d49f41bfa@mail.gmail.com>
	<8330500-1259986942-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-726432661-@bda243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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He's been working one one especially for Gamma4 participants that  
should be linked to their site soon! :)

On Dec 4, 2009, at 11:18 PM, John Morgan wrote:

> They were on his web site at one switch.
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Barlet <mark at ablegamers.com>
> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:10:18
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Day
>
> That is a great idea, it will kind of show that some have been done,
> and encourage innovation. I do recall Barrie had a list somewhere of
> oneswitch games.
>
> Mark
> AbleGamers.com
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:03 PM, AudioGames.net  
> <richard at audiogames.net> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Haven't looked at the Gamma4 website, so maybe this is already on  
>> there, but
>> I'd strongly suggest publishing a list of one-button games examples -
>> preferably on the Gamma4 website next to the contest description, or
>> otherwise very near. This is based on my experience with the  
>> Experimental
>> Audio Games that were developed each year by students at my work.  
>> The thing
>> I learned was that pointing people to AudioGames.net and saying
>> "here're some examples of what's already been done, have a look  
>> (or listen)
>> and take it to the next level" is not enough if you are after  
>> innovative
>> audio/one button games. The unfortunate result in my case was that  
>> most
>> teams came up with stuff that was already out there, and often better
>> already. In my experience showing designers a good overview of  
>> what already
>> has been done, is more likely to result in more innovative game  
>> design,
>> instead of leaving repetoire research up to the designers.
>>
>> Greets,
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: D. Michelle Hinn
>> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility Day
>> It's a great idea and I think being able to plan this with a year  
>> in advance
>> is probably our best best for GAD 2010 :)
>> I'll be at GDC and we can put this into SIG fliers, which we can  
>> have at
>> IGDA events and such for free. Otherwise there's the GDC fee for  
>> having a
>> flier and those are out of price range, as we know!
>> Let's aim to have the contest at GDC 2011 and that way we have  
>> plenty of
>> time to talk to them, IGF, etc about this.
>> As for this year's GDC (San Francisco -- the Mothership GDC!) in  
>> March it
>> was just announces that this year's Gamma contest at GDC is for  
>> One Button
>> Games (http://www.kokoromi.org/gamma4/)! Barrie and I are working  
>> with them
>> to make sure that all of the collective "lessons learned" by  
>> Barrie and
>> others at One Switch is given to the contestants and we are hoping  
>> that they
>> include a side award for "most accessible" one button game. But  
>> they have
>> already made sure to make clear that these are PURE one button  
>> games by
>> excluding use of D pads, etc in the entire contest thanks to  
>> Barrie! :)
>> Good fortune that they chose that as their theme. An old friend of  
>> mine is
>> one of the "four" behind the mask! So she has already heard me  
>> over the
>> years of working with her in the IGDA and gets our message! :)
>> In case a post got lost about it, the Gamma 4 contest information  
>> is at:
>> http://www.kokoromi.org/gamma4/
>> Deadline to enter is January 31st 2010 at 11:59pm US Pacific Time.  
>> So all
>> you one-switch game creators...GO FOR IT!!! :) And everyone spread  
>> the word
>> on your websites!
>> And, yes, the SIG website is getting worked on -- anyone that  
>> would like to
>> help in this effort, please email me offlist at hinn at uiuc.edu --  
>> thanks!
>> Michelle
>> On Dec 4, 2009, at 2:02 AM, Thomas Westin wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Barrie and Michelle,
>> yeah the UN day is a great combo, wasn't aware that it was yesterday
>> I propose we do it in the simplest way possible, just by
>> - deciding to use the UN day as the Game Accessibility Day (GAD)
>> - put into blogs, twitter etc that it will be a GAD 2010
>> - we can have flyers about it at the next GDC (anyone going?)
>> We can even setup a contest with a prize for the best solution  
>> funded like
>> this:
>> - the contestants pay say 100 USD to participate in the contest  
>> (this is how
>> it works with the Independent Games Festiva)l Perhaps we could  
>> sync with IGF
>> to have a GA prize? Either that or we have our own contest.
>> - the 100 USD from each contestant is used a prize money so the more
>> contestants, the bigger the prize money.
>> The good about the IGF approach is marketing; we can easily reach  
>> out to a
>> large audience about the contest, and about the prize at GDC etc. The
>> (possibly) bad thing about it may be that the IGF likely have some  
>> fees so
>> we can't bring all the money from the contestants straight to the  
>> prize
>> money but that could be a good enough trade off for the marketing  
>> and PR IGF
>> provides.
>> /Thomas
>>
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:54 AM, D. Michelle Hinn wrote:
>>
>> Oops -- caught this in the list net! Reposting!
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
>> Date: December 3, 2009 6:32:32 PM CST
>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"  
>> <games_access at igda.org>
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
>> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>>
>> Really good idea, Thomas. Maybe tie it up with the UN's  
>> International Day of
>> People with Disability, which was yesterday (depending on your  
>> time zone
>> - 3rd December each year).
>>
>> http://blogs.watoday.com.au/digital-life/screenplay/2009/12/03/ 
>> makinggamesmo.html
>>
>> Maybe this kind of thing will make it mean something more than it  
>> does to
>> some at present:
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/opinion/b1tch/ 
>> db_v_internationaldaydisabled.shtml.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Barrie
>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>
>> p.s. - This looks interesting - http://www.vision-audio.com/ 
>> ease_games.html
>>
>>
>>
>> From: thomas at pininteractive.com
>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:12 AM
>> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] You Can Make a Difference
>> good idea
>> I have been thinking about establishing a Game Accessibility Day;  
>> during
>> that day game companies should spend 8 hours to implement one  
>> access feature
>> in (one of) their current game(s). That is 1/365 of their budget  
>> which for a
>> million dollar game  is approx 3000 dollars.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Thomas
>> (Sent from my mobile)
>> On 3 dec 2009, at 11.08, "John Bannick" <jbannick at 7128.com> wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> The SIG does more to make computer games accessible than anywhere  
>> else I've
>> found on the Web.
>>
>> Here's something additional we all can do this month.
>>
>> 1. Buy accessible games as gifts (Not necessarily ours, but anyones?)
>> 2. Suggest to friends and family that accessible games make good  
>> gifts
>> 3. And, most importantly, suggest to everyone who?ll stand still  
>> for a
>> minute that they tell game companies when they?ve bought their  
>> game because
>> it was accessible.
>>
>> Our own 7-128 Software recently released Visit Salem, a travelogue  
>> game. It
>> includes over 6 hours of audio descriptions, history,  
>> architecture, music
>> and interviews. It?s also totally inaccessible to players who are  
>> blind,
>> deaf, or motion-impaired.
>>
>> Why? Because it would take an additional 6 months to make it  
>> accessible.
>> Even with a code base that includes a lot of accessibility  
>> features and
>> useful guidance from John Oliveira, a colleague and head of our
>> Massachusetts Commission for the Blind, and from you and other  
>> folks I know
>> in the accessibility community.
>>
>> I?d love to make it accessible to players who are blind, or deaf, or
>> motion-impaired. But the consensus among our management team is  
>> that there
>> are too few potential sales to justify the effort and expense, at  
>> least at
>> this time.
>>
>> Game margins are razor slim. Electronic Arts lost tens of millions of
>> dollars this year, also last year. The difference between profit  
>> and loss at
>> our small mainstream company is tiny.
>>
>> Posts by other colleagues suggest that a few more sales could help  
>> pay their
>> light bills, too.
>>
>> Posts by Barrie, Dark, Mark Barlet, Brian Papineau, and my own  
>> experience
>> here suggest that some mainstream game companies do respond  
>> positively when
>> you tell them ?I buy your stuff because you make it work for me. I  
>> buy other
>> people?s stuff when you don?t? (Recent news notwithstanding)
>>
>> So, over the next few weeks you personally can make a difference  
>> by bugging
>> people to buy accessible games and for them to tell developers  
>> when they do.
>>
>> John Bannick
>> Chief Technical Officer
>> 7-128 Software
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> ________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
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>>
>>
>
>
>
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> AbleGamers.com
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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Sat Dec  5 23:43:18 2009
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 23:43:18 -0500
Subject: [games_access] roberts illustrated bok
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	<p0623094ac3d8c050cac4@[130.126.29.30]>
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Hey kids....
lol im 27...
hii
no time no see.
Iv just completed illustrating a kidds book.
I hope you will put it in your kids stocking..
its publishing soon.
this month.
ill post it soon
i need money ...
the mysterius adventures of cave exspres
www.robertflorio.com




From sandra_uhling at web.de  Mon Dec  7 07:53:48 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:53:48 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Question Gamma 4 One Button Game Contest
Message-ID: <002701ca773c$52237900$f66a6b00$@de>

Hi,

I put the information in some Xing Groups :-)
Thanks Barrie. I hope it will great.
Will it be possible to see a video or play the game of the winner?


For one button game, we have on and off.
What kind of "Signals" do we have beside this?

In Terrestrial Invaders there is: 
hold the button for certain seconds to enter the pause menu
Is this also allowed in the contest?


For the list with example, maybe terrestrial invaders is good?
I like the "automatic scanning menu" :-)



Best regards,
Sandra



From richard at audiogames.net  Mon Dec  7 08:11:07 2009
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:11:07 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Question Gamma 4 One Button Game Contest
References: <002701ca773c$52237900$f66a6b00$@de>
Message-ID: <2575B0F58A1946A68F3F5FE10B750271@PC10815>

Hi,

You can basically design all sorts of button interaction patterns so there's virtually no limit. For example:

- button down
- button up
- button down hold 1 second
- button downupdownup
- etc.

It is more useful to look at how the context is designed for the button (the design 'after' the button is pressed). Have a look at:

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050602/green_01.shtml

And here are some examples that I designed myself:

http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/os/oneswitchexamples.zip (the platform example inspired collegue Michiel Krol to design Project IceCube - 
http://michielkrol.nl/?page_id=5)

Again, there's no limit to interaction patterns here either as there's no limit to the contexts you could design for.

Best regards,

Richard

http://www.audiogames.net
http://creativehero.es







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:53 PM
Subject: [games_access] Question Gamma 4 One Button Game Contest


Hi,

I put the information in some Xing Groups :-)
Thanks Barrie. I hope it will great.
Will it be possible to see a video or play the game of the winner?


For one button game, we have on and off.
What kind of "Signals" do we have beside this?

In Terrestrial Invaders there is:
hold the button for certain seconds to enter the pause menu
Is this also allowed in the contest?


For the list with example, maybe terrestrial invaders is good?
I like the "automatic scanning menu" :-)



Best regards,
Sandra

_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Mon Dec  7 09:29:44 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:29:44 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Question Gamma 4 One Button Game Contest
In-Reply-To: <2575B0F58A1946A68F3F5FE10B750271@PC10815>
References: <002701ca773c$52237900$f66a6b00$@de>
	<2575B0F58A1946A68F3F5FE10B750271@PC10815>
Message-ID: <D183D471-6359-42A3-83DF-EA4E3CDEFF19@uiuc.edu>

Gamma 4 will be linking to a list that Barrie has created so this is  
very exciting! :) It will be nice to see an influx in one button game  
creations! :) And this is a big deal competition so we can expect to  
see some high quality submissions! The results of the competition  
will be online.

Encourage friends and colleagues (and yourselves?) to enter this!  
Would be great to see some things that have been created by those who  
have already been creating one button/one switch games!

Michelle

On Dec 7, 2009, at 7:11 AM, AudioGames wrote:

> Hi,
>
> You can basically design all sorts of button interaction patterns  
> so there's virtually no limit. For example:
>
> - button down
> - button up
> - button down hold 1 second
> - button downupdownup
> - etc.
>
> It is more useful to look at how the context is designed for the  
> button (the design 'after' the button is pressed). Have a look at:
>
> http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050602/green_01.shtml
>
> And here are some examples that I designed myself:
>
> http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/os/oneswitchexamples.zip (the platform  
> example inspired collegue Michiel Krol to design Project IceCube -
> http://michielkrol.nl/?page_id=5)
>
> Again, there's no limit to interaction patterns here either as  
> there's no limit to the contexts you could design for.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Richard
>
> http://www.audiogames.net
> http://creativehero.es
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"  
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:53 PM
> Subject: [games_access] Question Gamma 4 One Button Game Contest
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I put the information in some Xing Groups :-)
> Thanks Barrie. I hope it will great.
> Will it be possible to see a video or play the game of the winner?
>
>
> For one button game, we have on and off.
> What kind of "Signals" do we have beside this?
>
> In Terrestrial Invaders there is:
> hold the button for certain seconds to enter the pause menu
> Is this also allowed in the contest?
>
>
> For the list with example, maybe terrestrial invaders is good?
> I like the "automatic scanning menu" :-)
>
>
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From richard at audiogames.net  Mon Dec  7 09:41:27 2009
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:41:27 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Question Gamma 4 One Button Game Contest
References: <002701ca773c$52237900$f66a6b00$@de><2575B0F58A1946A68F3F5FE10B750271@PC10815>
	<D183D471-6359-42A3-83DF-EA4E3CDEFF19@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <B80366D9339B4F26B1D785E4FB21864D@PC10815>

If you want I can send you/Barrie these and some more examples I made of one button interface designs (one button Tetris and one 
button Arkanoid) for the list?

btw... here's some more info on Project Icecube:

http://www.uqudos.com/nl/portfolio/gameplayNLGD_3.html (play online)
http://michielkrol.nl/?p=1 (more info)




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "D. Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] Question Gamma 4 One Button Game Contest


Gamma 4 will be linking to a list that Barrie has created so this is
very exciting! :) It will be nice to see an influx in one button game
creations! :) And this is a big deal competition so we can expect to
see some high quality submissions! The results of the competition
will be online.

Encourage friends and colleagues (and yourselves?) to enter this!
Would be great to see some things that have been created by those who
have already been creating one button/one switch games!

Michelle

On Dec 7, 2009, at 7:11 AM, AudioGames wrote:

> Hi,
>
> You can basically design all sorts of button interaction patterns
> so there's virtually no limit. For example:
>
> - button down
> - button up
> - button down hold 1 second
> - button downupdownup
> - etc.
>
> It is more useful to look at how the context is designed for the
> button (the design 'after' the button is pressed). Have a look at:
>
> http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050602/green_01.shtml
>
> And here are some examples that I designed myself:
>
> http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/os/oneswitchexamples.zip (the platform
> example inspired collegue Michiel Krol to design Project IceCube -
> http://michielkrol.nl/?page_id=5)
>
> Again, there's no limit to interaction patterns here either as
> there's no limit to the contexts you could design for.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Richard
>
> http://www.audiogames.net
> http://creativehero.es
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:53 PM
> Subject: [games_access] Question Gamma 4 One Button Game Contest
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I put the information in some Xing Groups :-)
> Thanks Barrie. I hope it will great.
> Will it be possible to see a video or play the game of the winner?
>
>
> For one button game, we have on and off.
> What kind of "Signals" do we have beside this?
>
> In Terrestrial Invaders there is:
> hold the button for certain seconds to enter the pause menu
> Is this also allowed in the contest?
>
>
> For the list with example, maybe terrestrial invaders is good?
> I like the "automatic scanning menu" :-)
>
>
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Mon Dec  7 09:53:20 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:53:20 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Question Gamma 4 One Button Game Contest
In-Reply-To: <B80366D9339B4F26B1D785E4FB21864D@PC10815>
References: <002701ca773c$52237900$f66a6b00$@de><2575B0F58A1946A68F3F5FE10B750271@PC10815>
	<D183D471-6359-42A3-83DF-EA4E3CDEFF19@uiuc.edu>
	<B80366D9339B4F26B1D785E4FB21864D@PC10815>
Message-ID: <6899CC71-13A9-403F-AD52-024F498F2A57@uiuc.edu>

Sure! Send them over! :)

On Dec 7, 2009, at 8:41 AM, AudioGames wrote:

> If you want I can send you/Barrie these and some more examples I  
> made of one button interface designs (one button Tetris and one
> button Arkanoid) for the list?
>
> btw... here's some more info on Project Icecube:
>
> http://www.uqudos.com/nl/portfolio/gameplayNLGD_3.html (play online)
> http://michielkrol.nl/?p=1 (more info)
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D. Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"  
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 3:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Question Gamma 4 One Button Game Contest
>
>
> Gamma 4 will be linking to a list that Barrie has created so this is
> very exciting! :) It will be nice to see an influx in one button game
> creations! :) And this is a big deal competition so we can expect to
> see some high quality submissions! The results of the competition
> will be online.
>
> Encourage friends and colleagues (and yourselves?) to enter this!
> Would be great to see some things that have been created by those who
> have already been creating one button/one switch games!
>
> Michelle
>
> On Dec 7, 2009, at 7:11 AM, AudioGames wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> You can basically design all sorts of button interaction patterns
>> so there's virtually no limit. For example:
>>
>> - button down
>> - button up
>> - button down hold 1 second
>> - button downupdownup
>> - etc.
>>
>> It is more useful to look at how the context is designed for the
>> button (the design 'after' the button is pressed). Have a look at:
>>
>> http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050602/green_01.shtml
>>
>> And here are some examples that I designed myself:
>>
>> http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/os/oneswitchexamples.zip (the platform
>> example inspired collegue Michiel Krol to design Project IceCube -
>> http://michielkrol.nl/?page_id=5)
>>
>> Again, there's no limit to interaction patterns here either as
>> there's no limit to the contexts you could design for.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> http://www.audiogames.net
>> http://creativehero.es
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
>> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"
>> <games_access at igda.org>
>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:53 PM
>> Subject: [games_access] Question Gamma 4 One Button Game Contest
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I put the information in some Xing Groups :-)
>> Thanks Barrie. I hope it will great.
>> Will it be possible to see a video or play the game of the winner?
>>
>>
>> For one button game, we have on and off.
>> What kind of "Signals" do we have beside this?
>>
>> In Terrestrial Invaders there is:
>> hold the button for certain seconds to enter the pause menu
>> Is this also allowed in the contest?
>>
>>
>> For the list with example, maybe terrestrial invaders is good?
>> I like the "automatic scanning menu" :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Sandra
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From sheri at designdirectdeliver.com  Mon Dec  7 11:57:51 2009
From: sheri at designdirectdeliver.com (Sheri Rubin)
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:57:51 -0800
Subject: [games_access] Question Gamma 4 One Button Game Contest
In-Reply-To: <6899CC71-13A9-403F-AD52-024F498F2A57@uiuc.edu>
References: <002701ca773c$52237900$f66a6b00$@de><2575B0F58A1946A68F3F5FE10B750271@PC10815>	<D183D471-6359-42A3-83DF-EA4E3CDEFF19@uiuc.edu>	<B80366D9339B4F26B1D785E4FB21864D@PC10815>
	<6899CC71-13A9-403F-AD52-024F498F2A57@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <4B1D340F.3020700@designdirectdeliver.com>

If someone can send me any press releases or wants to write an article 
I'd be happy to see about getting this promoted on the Mary-Margaret 
Network blog (www.mary-margaret.com).

Send it to me off list at sheri at mary-margaret.com.

Thanks!
Sheri

D. Michelle Hinn wrote:
> Sure! Send them over! :)
>
> On Dec 7, 2009, at 8:41 AM, AudioGames wrote:
>
>> If you want I can send you/Barrie these and some more examples I made 
>> of one button interface designs (one button Tetris and one
>> button Arkanoid) for the list?
>>
>> btw... here's some more info on Project Icecube:
>>
>> http://www.uqudos.com/nl/portfolio/gameplayNLGD_3.html (play online)
>> http://michielkrol.nl/?p=1 (more info)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "D. Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 3:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Question Gamma 4 One Button Game Contest
>>
>>
>> Gamma 4 will be linking to a list that Barrie has created so this is
>> very exciting! :) It will be nice to see an influx in one button game
>> creations! :) And this is a big deal competition so we can expect to
>> see some high quality submissions! The results of the competition
>> will be online.
>>
>> Encourage friends and colleagues (and yourselves?) to enter this!
>> Would be great to see some things that have been created by those who
>> have already been creating one button/one switch games!
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>> On Dec 7, 2009, at 7:11 AM, AudioGames wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> You can basically design all sorts of button interaction patterns
>>> so there's virtually no limit. For example:
>>>
>>> - button down
>>> - button up
>>> - button down hold 1 second
>>> - button downupdownup
>>> - etc.
>>>
>>> It is more useful to look at how the context is designed for the
>>> button (the design 'after' the button is pressed). Have a look at:
>>>
>>> http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050602/green_01.shtml
>>>
>>> And here are some examples that I designed myself:
>>>
>>> http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/os/oneswitchexamples.zip (the platform
>>> example inspired collegue Michiel Krol to design Project IceCube -
>>> http://michielkrol.nl/?page_id=5)
>>>
>>> Again, there's no limit to interaction patterns here either as
>>> there's no limit to the contexts you could design for.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> http://www.audiogames.net
>>> http://creativehero.es
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
>>> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"
>>> <games_access at igda.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:53 PM
>>> Subject: [games_access] Question Gamma 4 One Button Game Contest
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I put the information in some Xing Groups :-)
>>> Thanks Barrie. I hope it will great.
>>> Will it be possible to see a video or play the game of the winner?
>>>
>>>
>>> For one button game, we have on and off.
>>> What kind of "Signals" do we have beside this?
>>>
>>> In Terrestrial Invaders there is:
>>> hold the button for certain seconds to enter the pause menu
>>> Is this also allowed in the contest?
>>>
>>>
>>> For the list with example, maybe terrestrial invaders is good?
>>> I like the "automatic scanning menu" :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sandra
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

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From sandra_uhling at web.de  Wed Dec  9 07:57:19 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:57:19 +0100
Subject: [games_access] one button -  one switch game ?
Message-ID: <003001ca78cf$24d54340$6e7fc9c0$@de>

Hi,

is there a difference between "one button" and "one switch" game?

Best regards,
Sandra



From javier.mairena at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 09:10:22 2009
From: javier.mairena at gmail.com (Javier)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:10:22 +0100
Subject: [games_access] one button - one switch game ?
In-Reply-To: <003001ca78cf$24d54340$6e7fc9c0$@de>
References: <003001ca78cf$24d54340$6e7fc9c0$@de>
Message-ID: <b900ac550912090610p56ccf94m6bf746e0c492da48@mail.gmail.com>

for me there is no difference.

2009/12/9 Sandra Uhling <sandra_uhling at web.de>

> Hi,
>
> is there a difference between "one button" and "one switch" game?
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Wed Dec  9 09:54:28 2009
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:54:28 +0100
Subject: [games_access] one button -  one switch game ?
In-Reply-To: <003001ca78cf$24d54340$6e7fc9c0$@de>
References: <003001ca78cf$24d54340$6e7fc9c0$@de>
Message-ID: <1D07615F-0D45-4714-95B0-73C4F3D691D9@pininteractive.com>

I don't think so, I prefer one button since the word is a bit easier to understand than switch
/Thomas


On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> is there a difference between "one button" and "one switch" game?
> 
> Best regards,
> Sandra
> 
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From richard at audiogames.net  Wed Dec  9 10:15:00 2009
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:15:00 +0100
Subject: [games_access] one button -  one switch game ?
References: <003001ca78cf$24d54340$6e7fc9c0$@de>
	<1D07615F-0D45-4714-95B0-73C4F3D691D9@pininteractive.com>
Message-ID: <1D7EB7B5C6D84B1392331B0D760CBD03@PC10815>

I agree with Thomas that it is more easy to understand. However, one could argue that 'switch' in some (academic) contexts is 
slightly more accurate, since an inputdevice is sometimes not literally a button, but for instance a sip/puff controller or an IR 
device. You could also call "one-button games" something like "single-input games" or something like it... ?

But I would avoid going into such a debate unless there's a good reason for it. Any particular reason for your question, Sandra, or 
just in general?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [games_access] one button - one switch game ?


I don't think so, I prefer one button since the word is a bit easier to understand than switch
/Thomas


On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling wrote:

> Hi,
>
> is there a difference between "one button" and "one switch" game?
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

_______________________________________________
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Dec  9 17:13:38 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:13:38 -0600
Subject: [games_access] one button -  one switch game ?
In-Reply-To: <1D07615F-0D45-4714-95B0-73C4F3D691D9@pininteractive.com>
References: <003001ca78cf$24d54340$6e7fc9c0$@de>
	<1D07615F-0D45-4714-95B0-73C4F3D691D9@pininteractive.com>
Message-ID: <FA7C49B2-7821-4F0A-929B-CB8E7A200FD9@uiuc.edu>

Barrie is the one to weigh in on this but I believe one switch is an  
older term but the meaning is the same.

Michelle

On Dec 9, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Thomas Westin wrote:

> I don't think so, I prefer one button since the word is a bit  
> easier to understand than switch
> /Thomas
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> is there a difference between "one button" and "one switch" game?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Sandra
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Dec  9 17:16:43 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:16:43 -0600
Subject: [games_access] one button -  one switch game ?
In-Reply-To: <1D7EB7B5C6D84B1392331B0D760CBD03@PC10815>
References: <003001ca78cf$24d54340$6e7fc9c0$@de>
	<1D07615F-0D45-4714-95B0-73C4F3D691D9@pininteractive.com>
	<1D7EB7B5C6D84B1392331B0D760CBD03@PC10815>
Message-ID: <92AEF494-7BFA-441C-98AC-476E9775F545@uiuc.edu>

I think that given the Gamma 4 competition (that is using the  
language "one button"), the less confusing we are the best! One  
button is easier for so many mainstream and indie game devs that as  
long as they follow the letter of a "true" one button game (no D pad,  
etc) then one button is the language to use. No sense bringing in  
academic language just for the sake of being "more correct" -- one  
button is more than enough for most to start with!

I think Sandra's question stemmed from that! :)

Michelle

On Dec 9, 2009, at 9:15 AM, AudioGames wrote:

> I agree with Thomas that it is more easy to understand. However,  
> one could argue that 'switch' in some (academic) contexts is
> slightly more accurate, since an inputdevice is sometimes not  
> literally a button, but for instance a sip/puff controller or an IR
> device. You could also call "one-button games" something like  
> "single-input games" or something like it... ?
>
> But I would avoid going into such a debate unless there's a good  
> reason for it. Any particular reason for your question, Sandra, or
> just in general?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"  
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button - one switch game ?
>
>
> I don't think so, I prefer one button since the word is a bit  
> easier to understand than switch
> /Thomas
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> is there a difference between "one button" and "one switch" game?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Sandra
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Wed Dec  9 17:20:23 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:20:23 -0600
Subject: [games_access] One switch/one button
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org>
Message-ID: <2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu>

Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!

Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the one switch  
guidelines may be the most easy and less confusing language to use.  
Many do not understand what a "switch" is and we definitely don't  
want to make things more difficult! :) That doesn't mean we can't use  
the experience to let others know how to find out about the history  
and what "one switch" means to the disabled but I think "one button"  
is the way to start that conversation rather than scare away people  
with language.

Just my thoughts. :)

Michelle

> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
> Date: December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"  
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch game ?
> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>
>
> I personally use one-switch because of the tie up with  
> accessibility switches, of which there are many more types than  
> just a push-button. From the field of educational accessibility  
> software, one-switch / two-switch accessibility is a standard term  
> that has been used long-before I knew anything about it. That's why  
> I like to use it in reference to one-button games.
>
> Barrie
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"  
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch game ?
>
>> I don't think so, I prefer one button since the word is a bit  
>> easier to understand than switch
>> /Thomas
>>
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> is there a difference between "one button" and "one switch" game?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sandra
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Wed Dec  9 17:33:48 2009
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:33:48 -0500
Subject: [games_access] hello everyone, from Robert Florio
In-Reply-To: <2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org>
	<2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <DEB680CCB522435C82BBC0EC4874730B@RobertFlorio>

Hi guys I haven't talked to you all in a while, a very long time.

Mrs. Robert Florio remember me?  I've been thinking with my mouth, a lot.,
and I just finished illustrating a children's book.

I hope to share with you all and if it out by Christmas it would be a great
gift.  It's still a great gift.

I will share the link shortly in the next week or so I hope.

I finally got my trike out after 13 years and it was stitched up on April
13.  Crazy number 13.  LOL

I started doing standup comedy, throwing in the mix everything in my life
and hopefully I can get together with you guys for a fundraiser with
Michelle so I can come join you and do some comedy it's a lot of fun.

Gaming market after graduating in 2007 from the Art Institute of Pittsburgh
online gaming degree, all of them in Maryland said, no jobs.

Hopefully this children's book takes off and I'll be doing more.

Wish me luck.  I hope you're all doing well.

Looked me up on face book.

www.RobertFlorio.com <http://www.robertflorio.com/> 

 

 

  _____  

From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of D. Michelle Hinn
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 5:20 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: [games_access] One switch/one button

 

Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!

 

Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the one switch guidelines
may be the most easy and less confusing language to use. Many do not
understand what a "switch" is and we definitely don't want to make things
more difficult! :) That doesn't mean we can't use the experience to let
others know how to find out about the history and what "one switch" means to
the disabled but I think "one button" is the way to start that conversation
rather than scare away people with language.

 

Just my thoughts. :)

 

Michelle





From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>

Date: December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST

To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>

Subject: Re: [games_access] one button - one switch game ?

Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>

 

 

I personally use one-switch because of the tie up with accessibility
switches, of which there are many more types than just a push-button. From
the field of educational accessibility software, one-switch / two-switch
accessibility is a standard term that has been used long-before I knew
anything about it. That's why I like to use it in reference to one-button
games.

 

Barrie

 

--------------------------------------------------

From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>

Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM

To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>

Subject: Re: [games_access] one button - one switch game ?

 

I don't think so, I prefer one button since the word is a bit easier to
understand than switch

/Thomas

 

 

On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling wrote:

 

Hi,

 

is there a difference between "one button" and "one switch" game?

 

Best regards,

Sandra

 

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games_access mailing list

games_access at igda.org

http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

 

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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Wed Dec  9 19:37:02 2009
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (thomas at pininteractive.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:37:02 +0100
Subject: [games_access] hello everyone, from Robert Florio
In-Reply-To: <DEB680CCB522435C82BBC0EC4874730B@RobertFlorio>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org><2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu>
	<DEB680CCB522435C82BBC0EC4874730B@RobertFlorio>
Message-ID: <96ECD69C-6620-4D63-95D8-60F6D8E5A0F9@pininteractive.com>

Hi Robert

great to hear from you, hope your book sells well

Kind regards,
Thomas

(Sent from my mobile)

On 9 dec 2009, at 23.34, "Robert Florio" <arthit73 at cablespeed.com<mailto:arthit73 at cablespeed.com>> wrote:

Hi guys I haven?t talked to you all in a while, a very long time.
Mrs. Robert Florio remember me?  I?ve been thinking with my mouth, a lot., and I just finished illustrating a children?s book.
I hope to share with you all and if it out by Christmas it would be a great gift.  It?s still a great gift.
I will share the link shortly in the next week or so I hope.
I finally got my trike out after 13 years and it was stitched up on April 13?  Crazy number 13.  LOL
I started doing standup comedy, throwing in the mix everything in my life and hopefully I can get together with you guys for a fundraiser with Michelle so I can come join you and do some comedy it?s a lot of fun.
Gaming market after graduating in 2007 from the Art Institute of Pittsburgh online gaming degree, all of them in Maryland said, no jobs.
Hopefully this children?s book takes off and I?ll be doing more.
Wish me luck.  I hope you?re all doing well.
Looked me up on face book.
<http://www.robertflorio.com/>www.RobertFlorio.com<http://www.RobertFlorio.com>


________________________________
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org<mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org> [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf Of D. Michelle Hinn
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 5:20 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: [games_access] One switch/one button

Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!

Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the one switch guidelines may be the most easy and less confusing language to use. Many do not understand what a "switch" is and we definitely don't want to make things more difficult! :) That doesn't mean we can't use the experience to let others know how to find out about the history and what "one switch" means to the disabled but I think "one button" is the way to start that conversation rather than scare away people with language.

Just my thoughts. :)

Michelle


From: Barrie Ellis <<mailto:oneswitch at googlemail.com>oneswitch at googlemail.com<mailto:oneswitch at googlemail.com>>
Date: December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <<mailto:games_access at igda.org>games_access at igda.org<mailto:games_access at igda.org>>
Subject: Re: [games_access] one button - one switch game ?
Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <<mailto:barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk<mailto:barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>>


I personally use one-switch because of the tie up with accessibility switches, of which there are many more types than just a push-button. >From the field of educational accessibility software, one-switch / two-switch accessibility is a standard term that has been used long-before I knew anything about it. That's why I like to use it in reference to one-button games.

Barrie

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Thomas Westin" <<mailto:thomas at pininteractive.com>thomas at pininteractive.com<mailto:thomas at pininteractive.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <<mailto:games_access at igda.org>games_access at igda.org<mailto:games_access at igda.org>>
Subject: Re: [games_access] one button - one switch game ?

I don't think so, I prefer one button since the word is a bit easier to understand than switch
/Thomas


On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling wrote:

Hi,

is there a difference between "one button" and "one switch" game?

Best regards,
Sandra

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From arthit73 at cablespeed.com  Wed Dec  9 19:41:50 2009
From: arthit73 at cablespeed.com (Robert Florio)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:41:50 -0500
Subject: [games_access] hello everyone, from Robert Florio
In-Reply-To: <96ECD69C-6620-4D63-95D8-60F6D8E5A0F9@pininteractive.com>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org><2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu><DEB680CCB522435C82BBC0EC4874730B@RobertFlorio>
	<96ECD69C-6620-4D63-95D8-60F6D8E5A0F9@pininteractive.com>
Message-ID: <68BBA0C4784145AFA6C49BD8D73F34A3@RobertFlorio>

Thank you .

It is a very color full book.

Its good to hear from you too.

ttys

 

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From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of thomas at pininteractive.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:37 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] hello everyone, from Robert Florio

 

Hi Robert

 

great to hear from you, hope your book sells well 

Kind regards,

Thomas

 

(Sent from my mobile)


On 9 dec 2009, at 23.34, "Robert Florio" <arthit73 at cablespeed.com> wrote:

Hi guys I haven't talked to you all in a while, a very long time.

Mrs. Robert Florio remember me?  I've been thinking with my mouth, a lot.,
and I just finished illustrating a children's book.

I hope to share with you all and if it out by Christmas it would be a great
gift.  It's still a great gift.

I will share the link shortly in the next week or so I hope.

I finally got my trike out after 13 years and it was stitched up on April
13.  Crazy number 13.  LOL

I started doing standup comedy, throwing in the mix everything in my life
and hopefully I can get together with you guys for a fundraiser with
Michelle so I can come join you and do some comedy it's a lot of fun.

Gaming market after graduating in 2007 from the Art Institute of Pittsburgh
online gaming degree, all of them in Maryland said, no jobs.

Hopefully this children's book takes off and I'll be doing more.

Wish me luck.  I hope you're all doing well.

Looked me up on face book.

 <http://www.robertflorio.com/> www.RobertFlorio.com

 

 


  _____  


From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of D. Michelle Hinn
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 5:20 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: [games_access] One switch/one button

 

Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!

 

Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the one switch guidelines
may be the most easy and less confusing language to use. Many do not
understand what a "switch" is and we definitely don't want to make things
more difficult! :) That doesn't mean we can't use the experience to let
others know how to find out about the history and what "one switch" means to
the disabled but I think "one button" is the way to start that conversation
rather than scare away people with language.

 

Just my thoughts. :)

 

Michelle






From: Barrie Ellis < <mailto:oneswitch at googlemail.com>
oneswitch at googlemail.com>

Date: December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST

To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <
<mailto:games_access at igda.org> games_access at igda.org>

Subject: Re: [games_access] one button - one switch game ?

Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" < <mailto:barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>

 

 

I personally use one-switch because of the tie up with accessibility
switches, of which there are many more types than just a push-button. >From
the field of educational accessibility software, one-switch / two-switch
accessibility is a standard term that has been used long-before I knew
anything about it. That's why I like to use it in reference to one-button
games.

 

Barrie

 

--------------------------------------------------

From: "Thomas Westin" < <mailto:thomas at pininteractive.com>
thomas at pininteractive.com>

Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM

To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <
<mailto:games_access at igda.org> games_access at igda.org>

Subject: Re: [games_access] one button - one switch game ?

 

I don't think so, I prefer one button since the word is a bit easier to
understand than switch

/Thomas

 

 

On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling wrote:

 

Hi,

 

is there a difference between "one button" and "one switch" game?

 

Best regards,

Sandra

 

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 <mailto:games_access at igda.org> games_access at igda.org

 <http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access>
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

 

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From nissa.ludwig at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 20:26:49 2009
From: nissa.ludwig at gmail.com (Nissa Ludwig)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:26:49 -0800
Subject: [games_access] One switch/one button
In-Reply-To: <2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org>
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So, I am going to jump in here...

Would using "one button or switch"  or "one button/switch " clear this one
us so that everyone would be able to take the device they are dealing with
and make it fit in to the wording?  I realize that I may be over simplifying
(or, - without intent  - making things even more complicated) with this
response.  I just think that if we include both perhaps we get around the
entire issue of not understanding one word or the other. I do realize that I
am asking us to type a few more characters but it also seems to me that if
we avoid confusion in doing so, it might be worth that effort.

Just my random thought,

Nissa

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:

> Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!
>
> Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the one switch guidelines
> may be the most easy and less confusing language to use. Many do not
> understand what a "switch" is and we definitely don't want to make things
> more difficult! :) That doesn't mean we can't use the experience to let
> others know how to find out about the history and what "one switch" means to
> the disabled but I think "one button" is the way to start that conversation
> rather than scare away people with language.
>
> Just my thoughts. :)
>
> Michelle
>
> **
>
>
> *From: *Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
> *Date: *December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST
> *To: *"IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> *Subject: **Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch game ?*
> *Reply-To: *"Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>
>
> I personally use one-switch because of the tie up with accessibility
> switches, of which there are many more types than just a push-button. From
> the field of educational accessibility software, one-switch / two-switch
> accessibility is a standard term that has been used long-before I knew
> anything about it. That's why I like to use it in reference to one-button
> games.
>
> Barrie
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch game ?
>
> I don't think so, I prefer one button since the word is a bit easier to
> understand than switch
> /Thomas
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> is there a difference between "one button" and "one switch" game?
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Dec 10 00:30:00 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:30:00 -0600
Subject: [games_access] One switch/one button
In-Reply-To: <80b009f30912091726m4009470fx9171c585f7e6894d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org>
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Message-ID: <65587B29-D640-4D32-9455-5EB5DA992EDE@uiuc.edu>

I think that the main issue is whether the Gamma 4 team will change  
the name -- and from what I am seeing, it doesn't seem to be the  
case. And that's ok. So in Barrie's guide and how we refer to it, we  
need to put a little historical context in it as to why it is  
"switch" without confusing (some already confused and/or scheming for  
a way to use another input than simply one "click") Gamma 4  
participants. But calling it one button/switch may overload the Gamma  
4 (and there are only 4 of them!) team because they will be asked  
what on earth a switch is [see next paragraph].

Heather did mention that they just got through explaining that using  
alternatives to buttons (ie, space bar versus mouse button versus the  
return key) does not mean that you can map THREE DIFFERENT items to  
those -- they have to do the SAME function. So she's asked us to be  
cautious in how "switch" is introduced so as not to start the same  
week-long answering of "but how can we cheat using this additional  
peripheral" kinds of questions. ;)

So that's the main deal. Most of the Gamma 4 participants are not  
going to be participating with accessibility in mind -- so Barrie,  
being our resident expert on all things one switch/button is working  
hard on making sure that participants know how much MORE this  
challenge can be! :)

I think more people "get" one button than switch in the US and/or  
those outside the accessibility realm...but that's just my guess.  
Switch, to me, is a term that is very much tied to accessibility. But  
I may be wrong...I have been before. hehe.

Michelle

On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Nissa Ludwig wrote:

>
> So, I am going to jump in here...
>
> Would using "one button or switch"  or "one button/switch " clear  
> this one us so that everyone would be able to take the device they  
> are dealing with and make it fit in to the wording?  I realize that  
> I may be over simplifying (or, - without intent  - making things  
> even more complicated) with this response.  I just think that if we  
> include both perhaps we get around the entire issue of not  
> understanding one word or the other. I do realize that I am asking  
> us to type a few more characters but it also seems to me that if we  
> avoid confusion in doing so, it might be worth that effort.
>
> Just my random thought,
>
> Nissa
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu>  
> wrote:
> Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!
>
> Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the one switch  
> guidelines may be the most easy and less confusing language to use.  
> Many do not understand what a "switch" is and we definitely don't  
> want to make things more difficult! :) That doesn't mean we can't  
> use the experience to let others know how to find out about the  
> history and what "one switch" means to the disabled but I think  
> "one button" is the way to start that conversation rather than  
> scare away people with language.
>
> Just my thoughts. :)
>
> Michelle
>
>> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
>> Date: December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST
>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"  
>> <games_access at igda.org>
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch game ?
>> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>>
>>
>> I personally use one-switch because of the tie up with  
>> accessibility switches, of which there are many more types than  
>> just a push-button. From the field of educational accessibility  
>> software, one-switch / two-switch accessibility is a standard term  
>> that has been used long-before I knew anything about it. That's  
>> why I like to use it in reference to one-button games.
>>
>> Barrie
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM
>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"  
>> <games_access at igda.org>
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch game ?
>>
>>> I don't think so, I prefer one button since the word is a bit  
>>> easier to understand than switch
>>> /Thomas
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> is there a difference between "one button" and "one switch" game?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Sandra
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> games_access at igda.org
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From sandra_uhling at web.de  Thu Dec 10 02:37:59 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:37:59 +0100
Subject: [games_access] One switch/one button
In-Reply-To: <65587B29-D640-4D32-9455-5EB5DA992EDE@uiuc.edu>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org>	<2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu>	<80b009f30912091726m4009470fx9171c585f7e6894d@mail.gmail.com>
	<65587B29-D640-4D32-9455-5EB5DA992EDE@uiuc.edu>
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Hi,

I was just wondering if there is a technical difference.

E.g.
Switch only on/off
Button on off and on on on off , ....

One Button is maybe the best term for developer.
Also it looks like they had to add some information.
That is has to be a button, not this button that can be moved in circle.
Sorry I do not know the name.

Best regards,
Sandra

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von D. Michelle Hinn
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 06:30
> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Betreff: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
> 
> I think that the main issue is whether the Gamma 4 team will change the
> name -- and from what I am seeing, it doesn't seem to be the case. And
> that's ok. So in Barrie's guide and how we refer to it, we need to put
> a little historical context in it as to why it is "switch" without
> confusing (some already confused and/or scheming for a way to use
> another input than simply one "click") Gamma 4 participants. But
> calling it one button/switch may overload the Gamma 4 (and there are
> only 4 of them!) team because they will be asked what on earth a switch
> is [see next paragraph].
> 
> Heather did mention that they just got through explaining that using
> alternatives to buttons (ie, space bar versus mouse button versus the
> return key) does not mean that you can map THREE DIFFERENT items to
> those -- they have to do the SAME function. So she's asked us to be
> cautious in how "switch" is introduced so as not to start the same
> week-long answering of "but how can we cheat using this additional
> peripheral" kinds of questions. ;)
> 
> So that's the main deal. Most of the Gamma 4 participants are not going
> to be participating with accessibility in mind -- so Barrie, being our
> resident expert on all things one switch/button is working hard on
> making sure that participants know how much MORE this challenge can be!
> :)
> 
> I think more people "get" one button than switch in the US and/or those
> outside the accessibility realm...but that's just my guess. Switch, to
> me, is a term that is very much tied to accessibility. But I may be
> wrong...I have been before. hehe.
> 
> Michelle
> 
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Nissa Ludwig wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 	So, I am going to jump in here...
> 
> 	Would using "one button or switch"  or "one button/switch " clear
> this one us so that everyone would be able to take the device they are
> dealing with and make it fit in to the wording?  I realize that I may
> be over simplifying (or, - without intent  - making things even more
> complicated) with this response.  I just think that if we include both
> perhaps we get around the entire issue of not understanding one word or
> the other. I do realize that I am asking us to type a few more
> characters but it also seems to me that if we avoid confusion in doing
> so, it might be worth that effort.
> 
> 	Just my random thought,
> 
> 	Nissa
> 
> 	On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 		Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!
> 
> 		Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the one
> switch guidelines may be the most easy and less confusing language to
> use. Many do not understand what a "switch" is and we definitely don't
> want to make things more difficult! :) That doesn't mean we can't use
> the experience to let others know how to find out about the history and
> what "one switch" means to the disabled but I think "one button" is the
> way to start that conversation rather than scare away people with
> language.
> 
> 		Just my thoughts. :)
> 
> 		Michelle
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 			From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
> 			Date: December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST
> 			To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> <games_access at igda.org>
> 			Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch
> game ?
> 			Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis"
> <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
> 
> 
> 			I personally use one-switch because of the tie up
> with accessibility switches, of which there are many more types than
> just a push-button. From the field of educational accessibility
> software, one-switch / two-switch accessibility is a standard term that
> has been used long-before I knew anything about it. That's why I like
> to use it in reference to one-button games.
> 
> 			Barrie
> 
> 			--------------------------------------------------
> 			From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>
> 			Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM
> 			To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> <games_access at igda.org>
> 			Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch
> game ?
> 
> 
> 				I don't think so, I prefer one button since
the
> word is a bit easier to understand than switch
> 				/Thomas
> 
> 
> 				On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 					Hi,
> 
> 					is there a difference between "one
> button" and "one switch" game?
> 
> 					Best regards,
> 					Sandra
> 
> 
> 	_______________________________________________
> 					games_access mailing list
> 					games_access at igda.org
> 
> 	http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> 
> 
>
_______________________________________________
> 				games_access mailing list
> 				games_access at igda.org
> 
> 	http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 		_______________________________________________
> 		games_access mailing list
> 		games_access at igda.org
> 		http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 	_______________________________________________
> 	games_access mailing list
> 	games_access at igda.org
> 	http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> 




From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Dec 10 12:43:41 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:43:41 -0600
Subject: [games_access] More from Barrie on One Switch/Button
References: <mailman.218.1260432759.76555.games_access@igda.org>
Message-ID: <2A175642-1D69-4054-A84D-FAF811847F29@uiuc.edu>

Also, they prohibit the use of any of the "sticks" you see on the  
controller that can be pressed down as buttons but also be used for  
direction -- that's the easiest explanation I can think of about the  
Gamma IV rule change you mention, Sandra.

For programmers to grasp, yes, I would hope that an interchangeable  
word could work...but, hey, with Heather mentioning that they have  
gotten overloaded with emails about this and that, which could be  
used as "cheats" then I guess I don't blame their caution about  
starting another load of it by adding in the word "switch." :)

I can imagine all the "oh, can we use one of those as another button  
to do other stuff????" questions. I do have to feel for  
them...sometimes opening up even the simplest of contests as we did  
about 4 years ago can bring with it a HOST of questions, making you  
feel like "what did I get myself into?" I can't imagine hosting  
something like this!!! :)

Michelle

> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
> Date: December 10, 2009 2:12:28 AM CST
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"  
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>
>
> I personally think this is confusing something that is pretty  
> simple in reality. Either term is fine, and one-switch only really  
> takes a little further explanation to my mind. As we are in the  
> field of accessibility, one-switch seems sensible to stick by to  
> me. One-button/one-switch in certain circumstances seems fine too.  
> I don't think it's too much to ask people to grasp who can program  
> a computer.
>
> As regards Gamma IV the only real confusion I've seen on the forum  
> is whether or not the game control (mapped to the 'A' button on an  
> Xbox 360 joypad) could be analogue in function. It can't be. It's  
> on or off and that's it, just like the SPACE BAR on your keyboard.
>
> Hope that helps, Sandra?
>
> Barrie
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:37 AM
> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"  
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was just wondering if there is a technical difference.
>>
>> E.g.
>> Switch only on/off
>> Button on off and on on on off , ....
>>
>> One Button is maybe the best term for developer.
>> Also it looks like they had to add some information.
>> That is has to be a button, not this button that can be moved in  
>> circle.
>> Sorry I do not know the name.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Sandra
>>
>>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
>>> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von D. Michelle Hinn
>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 06:30
>>> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>> Betreff: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>>>
>>> I think that the main issue is whether the Gamma 4 team will  
>>> change the
>>> name -- and from what I am seeing, it doesn't seem to be the  
>>> case. And
>>> that's ok. So in Barrie's guide and how we refer to it, we need  
>>> to put
>>> a little historical context in it as to why it is "switch" without
>>> confusing (some already confused and/or scheming for a way to use
>>> another input than simply one "click") Gamma 4 participants. But
>>> calling it one button/switch may overload the Gamma 4 (and there are
>>> only 4 of them!) team because they will be asked what on earth a  
>>> switch
>>> is [see next paragraph].
>>>
>>> Heather did mention that they just got through explaining that using
>>> alternatives to buttons (ie, space bar versus mouse button versus  
>>> the
>>> return key) does not mean that you can map THREE DIFFERENT items to
>>> those -- they have to do the SAME function. So she's asked us to be
>>> cautious in how "switch" is introduced so as not to start the same
>>> week-long answering of "but how can we cheat using this additional
>>> peripheral" kinds of questions. ;)
>>>
>>> So that's the main deal. Most of the Gamma 4 participants are not  
>>> going
>>> to be participating with accessibility in mind -- so Barrie,  
>>> being our
>>> resident expert on all things one switch/button is working hard on
>>> making sure that participants know how much MORE this challenge  
>>> can be!
>>> :)
>>>
>>> I think more people "get" one button than switch in the US and/or  
>>> those
>>> outside the accessibility realm...but that's just my guess.  
>>> Switch, to
>>> me, is a term that is very much tied to accessibility. But I may be
>>> wrong...I have been before. hehe.
>>>
>>> Michelle
>>>
>>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Nissa Ludwig wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, I am going to jump in here...
>>>
>>> Would using "one button or switch"  or "one button/switch " clear
>>> this one us so that everyone would be able to take the device  
>>> they are
>>> dealing with and make it fit in to the wording?  I realize that I  
>>> may
>>> be over simplifying (or, - without intent  - making things even more
>>> complicated) with this response.  I just think that if we include  
>>> both
>>> perhaps we get around the entire issue of not understanding one  
>>> word or
>>> the other. I do realize that I am asking us to type a few more
>>> characters but it also seems to me that if we avoid confusion in  
>>> doing
>>> so, it might be worth that effort.
>>>
>>> Just my random thought,
>>>
>>> Nissa
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!
>>>
>>> Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the one
>>> switch guidelines may be the most easy and less confusing  
>>> language to
>>> use. Many do not understand what a "switch" is and we definitely  
>>> don't
>>> want to make things more difficult! :) That doesn't mean we can't  
>>> use
>>> the experience to let others know how to find out about the  
>>> history and
>>> what "one switch" means to the disabled but I think "one button"  
>>> is the
>>> way to start that conversation rather than scare away people with
>>> language.
>>>
>>> Just my thoughts. :)
>>>
>>> Michelle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
>>> Date: December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST
>>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>>> <games_access at igda.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch
>>> game ?
>>> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis"
>>> <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>>>
>>>
>>> I personally use one-switch because of the tie up
>>> with accessibility switches, of which there are many more types than
>>> just a push-button. From the field of educational accessibility
>>> software, one-switch / two-switch accessibility is a standard  
>>> term that
>>> has been used long-before I knew anything about it. That's why I  
>>> like
>>> to use it in reference to one-button games.
>>>
>>> Barrie
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM
>>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>>> <games_access at igda.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch
>>> game ?
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think so, I prefer one button since
>> the
>>> word is a bit easier to understand than switch
>>> /Thomas
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> is there a difference between "one
>>> button" and "one switch" game?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sandra
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> games_access at igda.org
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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From sandra_uhling at web.de  Thu Dec 10 13:49:11 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:49:11 +0100
Subject: [games_access] More from Barrie on One Switch/Button
In-Reply-To: <2A175642-1D69-4054-A84D-FAF811847F29@uiuc.edu>
References: <mailman.218.1260432759.76555.games_access@igda.org>
	<2A175642-1D69-4054-A84D-FAF811847F29@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <000901ca79c9$76cf87a0$646e96e0$@de>

Hi,

do we have something like a FAQ?

Best regards,
Sandra

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von D. Michelle Hinn
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 18:44
> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Betreff: [games_access] More from Barrie on One Switch/Button
> 
> Also, they prohibit the use of any of the "sticks" you see on the
> controller that can be pressed down as buttons but also be used for
> direction -- that's the easiest explanation I can think of about the
> Gamma IV rule change you mention, Sandra.
> 
> For programmers to grasp, yes, I would hope that an interchangeable
> word could work...but, hey, with Heather mentioning that they have
> gotten overloaded with emails about this and that, which could be used
> as "cheats" then I guess I don't blame their caution about starting
> another load of it by adding in the word "switch." :)
> 
> I can imagine all the "oh, can we use one of those as another button to
> do other stuff????" questions. I do have to feel for them...sometimes
> opening up even the simplest of contests as we did about 4 years ago
> can bring with it a HOST of questions, making you feel like "what did I
> get myself into?" I can't imagine hosting something like this!!! :)
> 
> Michelle
> 
> 
> 
> 	From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
> 	Date: December 10, 2009 2:12:28 AM CST
> 	To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> <games_access at igda.org>
> 	Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
> 	Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
> 
> 
> 	I personally think this is confusing something that is pretty
> simple in reality. Either term is fine, and one-switch only really
> takes a little further explanation to my mind. As we are in the field
> of accessibility, one-switch seems sensible to stick by to me. One-
> button/one-switch in certain circumstances seems fine too. I don't
> think it's too much to ask people to grasp who can program a computer.
> 
> 	As regards Gamma IV the only real confusion I've seen on the
> forum is whether or not the game control (mapped to the 'A' button on
> an Xbox 360 joypad) could be analogue in function. It can't be. It's on
> or off and that's it, just like the SPACE BAR on your keyboard.
> 
> 	Hope that helps, Sandra?
> 
> 	Barrie
> 
> 
> 	--------------------------------------------------
> 	From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
> 	Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:37 AM
> 	To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"
> <games_access at igda.org>
> 	Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
> 
> 
> 		Hi,
> 
> 		I was just wondering if there is a technical difference.
> 
> 		E.g.
> 		Switch only on/off
> 		Button on off and on on on off , ....
> 
> 		One Button is maybe the best term for developer.
> 		Also it looks like they had to add some information.
> 		That is has to be a button, not this button that can be
> moved in circle.
> 		Sorry I do not know the name.
> 
> 		Best regards,
> 		Sandra
> 
> 
> 			-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> 			Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org
> [mailto:games_access-
> 			bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von D. Michelle Hinn
> 			Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 06:30
> 			An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> 			Betreff: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
> 
> 			I think that the main issue is whether the Gamma 4
> team will change the
> 			name -- and from what I am seeing, it doesn't seem
to
> be the case. And
> 			that's ok. So in Barrie's guide and how we refer to
> it, we need to put
> 			a little historical context in it as to why it is
> "switch" without
> 			confusing (some already confused and/or scheming for
> a way to use
> 			another input than simply one "click") Gamma 4
> participants. But
> 			calling it one button/switch may overload the Gamma
4
> (and there are
> 			only 4 of them!) team because they will be asked
what
> on earth a switch
> 			is [see next paragraph].
> 
> 			Heather did mention that they just got through
> explaining that using
> 			alternatives to buttons (ie, space bar versus mouse
> button versus the
> 			return key) does not mean that you can map THREE
> DIFFERENT items to
> 			those -- they have to do the SAME function. So she's
> asked us to be
> 			cautious in how "switch" is introduced so as not to
> start the same
> 			week-long answering of "but how can we cheat using
> this additional
> 			peripheral" kinds of questions. ;)
> 
> 			So that's the main deal. Most of the Gamma 4
> participants are not going
> 			to be participating with accessibility in mind -- so
> Barrie, being our
> 			resident expert on all things one switch/button is
> working hard on
> 			making sure that participants know how much MORE
this
> challenge can be!
> 			:)
> 
> 			I think more people "get" one button than switch in
> the US and/or those
> 			outside the accessibility realm...but that's just my
> guess. Switch, to
> 			me, is a term that is very much tied to
> accessibility. But I may be
> 			wrong...I have been before. hehe.
> 
> 			Michelle
> 
> 			On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Nissa Ludwig wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 			So, I am going to jump in here...
> 
> 			Would using "one button or switch"  or "one
> button/switch " clear
> 			this one us so that everyone would be able to take
> the device they are
> 			dealing with and make it fit in to the wording?  I
> realize that I may
> 			be over simplifying (or, - without intent  - making
> things even more
> 			complicated) with this response.  I just think that
> if we include both
> 			perhaps we get around the entire issue of not
> understanding one word or
> 			the other. I do realize that I am asking us to type
a
> few more
> 			characters but it also seems to me that if we avoid
> confusion in doing
> 			so, it might be worth that effort.
> 
> 			Just my random thought,
> 
> 			Nissa
> 
> 			On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM, D. Michelle Hinn
> <hinn at uiuc.edu>
> 			wrote:
> 
> 
> 			Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!
> 
> 			Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the
> one
> 			switch guidelines may be the most easy and less
> confusing language to
> 			use. Many do not understand what a "switch" is and
we
> definitely don't
> 			want to make things more difficult! :) That doesn't
> mean we can't use
> 			the experience to let others know how to find out
> about the history and
> 			what "one switch" means to the disabled but I think
> "one button" is the
> 			way to start that conversation rather than scare
away
> people with
> 			language.
> 
> 			Just my thoughts. :)
> 
> 			Michelle
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 			From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
> 			Date: December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST
> 			To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> 			<games_access at igda.org>
> 			Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch
> 			game ?
> 			Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis"
> 			<barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
> 
> 
> 			I personally use one-switch because of the tie up
> 			with accessibility switches, of which there are many
> more types than
> 			just a push-button. From the field of educational
> accessibility
> 			software, one-switch / two-switch accessibility is a
> standard term that
> 			has been used long-before I knew anything about it.
> That's why I like
> 			to use it in reference to one-button games.
> 
> 			Barrie
> 
> 			--------------------------------------------------
> 			From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>
> 			Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM
> 			To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> 			<games_access at igda.org>
> 			Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch
> 			game ?
> 
> 
> 			I don't think so, I prefer one button since
> 
> 		the
> 
> 			word is a bit easier to understand than switch
> 			/Thomas
> 
> 
> 			On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling
> 			wrote:
> 
> 
> 			Hi,
> 
> 			is there a difference between "one
> 			button" and "one switch" game?
> 
> 			Best regards,
> 			Sandra
> 
> 
> 			_______________________________________________
> 			games_access mailing list
> 			games_access at igda.org
> 
> 
> 	http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 		_______________________________________________
> 
> 			games_access mailing list
> 			games_access at igda.org
> 
> 
> 	http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 			_______________________________________________
> 			games_access mailing list
> 			games_access at igda.org
> 
> 	http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 			_______________________________________________
> 			games_access mailing list
> 			games_access at igda.org
> 
> 	http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> 
> 
> 
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From nissa.ludwig at gmail.com  Thu Dec 10 16:05:58 2009
From: nissa.ludwig at gmail.com (Nissa Ludwig)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:05:58 -0800
Subject: [games_access] More from Barrie on One Switch/Button
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Thanks to all...

Your explanations actually clear up this conversation for me and is much
appreciated.  I will do my research before I jump in again :). I can
(almost) hear the conversations about "It says One-Switch but the "A" button
is, by definition, a button..."  ...which I can only imagine setting off any
number of e-mail threads (not to mention meetings) as a result. I just
wanted to drop in a thanks for helping me to understand the issue better.


On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:43 AM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:

> Also, they prohibit the use of any of the "sticks" you see on the
> controller that can be pressed down as buttons but also be used for
> direction -- that's the easiest explanation I can think of about the Gamma
> IV rule change you mention, Sandra.
>
> For programmers to grasp, yes, I would hope that an interchangeable word
> could work...but, hey, with Heather mentioning that they have gotten
> overloaded with emails about this and that, which could be used as "cheats"
> then I guess I don't blame their caution about starting another load of it
> by adding in the word "switch." :)
>
> I can imagine all the "oh, can we use one of those as another button to do
> other stuff????" questions. I do have to feel for them...sometimes opening
> up even the simplest of contests as we did about 4 years ago can bring with
> it a HOST of questions, making you feel like "what did I get myself into?" I
> can't imagine hosting something like this!!! :)
>
> Michelle
>
> *From: *Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
> *Date: *December 10, 2009 2:12:28 AM CST
> *To: *"IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> *Subject: **Re: [games_access] One switch/one button*
> *Reply-To: *"Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>
>
> I personally think this is confusing something that is pretty simple in
> reality. Either term is fine, and one-switch only really takes a little
> further explanation to my mind. As we are in the field of accessibility,
> one-switch seems sensible to stick by to me. One-button/one-switch in
> certain circumstances seems fine too. I don't think it's too much to ask
> people to grasp who can program a computer.
>
> As regards Gamma IV the only real confusion I've seen on the forum is
> whether or not the game control (mapped to the 'A' button on an Xbox 360
> joypad) could be analogue in function. It can't be. It's on or off and
> that's it, just like the SPACE BAR on your keyboard.
>
> Hope that helps, Sandra?
>
> Barrie
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:37 AM
> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>
> Hi,
>
> I was just wondering if there is a technical difference.
>
> E.g.
> Switch only on/off
> Button on off and on on on off , ....
>
> One Button is maybe the best term for developer.
> Also it looks like they had to add some information.
> That is has to be a button, not this button that can be moved in circle.
> Sorry I do not know the name.
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games <games>_access-
> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von D. Michelle Hinn
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 06:30
> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Betreff: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>
> I think that the main issue is whether the Gamma 4 team will change the
> name -- and from what I am seeing, it doesn't seem to be the case. And
> that's ok. So in Barrie's guide and how we refer to it, we need to put
> a little historical context in it as to why it is "switch" without
> confusing (some already confused and/or scheming for a way to use
> another input than simply one "click") Gamma 4 participants. But
> calling it one button/switch may overload the Gamma 4 (and there are
> only 4 of them!) team because they will be asked what on earth a switch
> is [see next paragraph].
>
> Heather did mention that they just got through explaining that using
> alternatives to buttons (ie, space bar versus mouse button versus the
> return key) does not mean that you can map THREE DIFFERENT items to
> those -- they have to do the SAME function. So she's asked us to be
> cautious in how "switch" is introduced so as not to start the same
> week-long answering of "but how can we cheat using this additional
> peripheral" kinds of questions. ;)
>
> So that's the main deal. Most of the Gamma 4 participants are not going
> to be participating with accessibility in mind -- so Barrie, being our
> resident expert on all things one switch/button is working hard on
> making sure that participants know how much MORE this challenge can be!
> :)
>
> I think more people "get" one button than switch in the US and/or those
> outside the accessibility realm...but that's just my guess. Switch, to
> me, is a term that is very much tied to accessibility. But I may be
> wrong...I have been before. hehe.
>
> Michelle
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Nissa Ludwig wrote:
>
>
>
> So, I am going to jump in here...
>
> Would using "one button or switch"  or "one button/switch " clear
> this one us so that everyone would be able to take the device they are
> dealing with and make it fit in to the wording?  I realize that I may
> be over simplifying (or, - without intent  - making things even more
> complicated) with this response.  I just think that if we include both
> perhaps we get around the entire issue of not understanding one word or
> the other. I do realize that I am asking us to type a few more
> characters but it also seems to me that if we avoid confusion in doing
> so, it might be worth that effort.
>
> Just my random thought,
>
> Nissa
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu>
> wrote:
>
>
> Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!
>
> Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the one
> switch guidelines may be the most easy and less confusing language to
> use. Many do not understand what a "switch" is and we definitely don't
> want to make things more difficult! :) That doesn't mean we can't use
> the experience to let others know how to find out about the history and
> what "one switch" means to the disabled but I think "one button" is the
> way to start that conversation rather than scare away people with
> language.
>
> Just my thoughts. :)
>
> Michelle
>
>
>
>
> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
> Date: December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch
> game ?
> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis"
> <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>
>
> I personally use one-switch because of the tie up
> with accessibility switches, of which there are many more types than
> just a push-button. From the field of educational accessibility
> software, one-switch / two-switch accessibility is a standard term that
> has been used long-before I knew anything about it. That's why I like
> to use it in reference to one-button games.
>
> Barrie
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch
> game ?
>
>
> I don't think so, I prefer one button since
>
> the
>
> word is a bit easier to understand than switch
> /Thomas
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> is there a difference between "one
> button" and "one switch" game?
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
>
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
>
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:59:59 -0600
Subject: [games_access] More from Barrie on One Switch/Button
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No worries!! Everyone is always welcome to jump in -- we're "guests"  
to their competition so we don't want to make things any more  
difficult than it needs to be! :)

Michelle

On Dec 10, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Nissa Ludwig wrote:

> Thanks to all...
>
> Your explanations actually clear up this conversation for me and is  
> much appreciated.  I will do my research before I jump in again :).  
> I can (almost) hear the conversations about "It says One-Switch but  
> the "A" button is, by definition, a button..."  ...which I can only  
> imagine setting off any number of e-mail threads (not to mention  
> meetings) as a result. I just wanted to drop in a thanks for  
> helping me to understand the issue better.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:43 AM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu>  
> wrote:
> Also, they prohibit the use of any of the "sticks" you see on the  
> controller that can be pressed down as buttons but also be used for  
> direction -- that's the easiest explanation I can think of about  
> the Gamma IV rule change you mention, Sandra.
>
> For programmers to grasp, yes, I would hope that an interchangeable  
> word could work...but, hey, with Heather mentioning that they have  
> gotten overloaded with emails about this and that, which could be  
> used as "cheats" then I guess I don't blame their caution about  
> starting another load of it by adding in the word "switch." :)
>
> I can imagine all the "oh, can we use one of those as another  
> button to do other stuff????" questions. I do have to feel for  
> them...sometimes opening up even the simplest of contests as we did  
> about 4 years ago can bring with it a HOST of questions, making you  
> feel like "what did I get myself into?" I can't imagine hosting  
> something like this!!! :)
>
> Michelle
>
>> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
>> Date: December 10, 2009 2:12:28 AM CST
>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"  
>> <games_access at igda.org>
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>>
>>
>> I personally think this is confusing something that is pretty  
>> simple in reality. Either term is fine, and one-switch only really  
>> takes a little further explanation to my mind. As we are in the  
>> field of accessibility, one-switch seems sensible to stick by to  
>> me. One-button/one-switch in certain circumstances seems fine too.  
>> I don't think it's too much to ask people to grasp who can program  
>> a computer.
>>
>> As regards Gamma IV the only real confusion I've seen on the forum  
>> is whether or not the game control (mapped to the 'A' button on an  
>> Xbox 360 joypad) could be analogue in function. It can't be. It's  
>> on or off and that's it, just like the SPACE BAR on your keyboard.
>>
>> Hope that helps, Sandra?
>>
>> Barrie
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:37 AM
>> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"  
>> <games_access at igda.org>
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was just wondering if there is a technical difference.
>>>
>>> E.g.
>>> Switch only on/off
>>> Button on off and on on on off , ....
>>>
>>> One Button is maybe the best term for developer.
>>> Also it looks like they had to add some information.
>>> That is has to be a button, not this button that can be moved in  
>>> circle.
>>> Sorry I do not know the name.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sandra
>>>
>>>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
>>>> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von D. Michelle Hinn
>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 06:30
>>>> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>>> Betreff: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>>>>
>>>> I think that the main issue is whether the Gamma 4 team will  
>>>> change the
>>>> name -- and from what I am seeing, it doesn't seem to be the  
>>>> case. And
>>>> that's ok. So in Barrie's guide and how we refer to it, we need  
>>>> to put
>>>> a little historical context in it as to why it is "switch" without
>>>> confusing (some already confused and/or scheming for a way to use
>>>> another input than simply one "click") Gamma 4 participants. But
>>>> calling it one button/switch may overload the Gamma 4 (and there  
>>>> are
>>>> only 4 of them!) team because they will be asked what on earth a  
>>>> switch
>>>> is [see next paragraph].
>>>>
>>>> Heather did mention that they just got through explaining that  
>>>> using
>>>> alternatives to buttons (ie, space bar versus mouse button  
>>>> versus the
>>>> return key) does not mean that you can map THREE DIFFERENT items to
>>>> those -- they have to do the SAME function. So she's asked us to be
>>>> cautious in how "switch" is introduced so as not to start the same
>>>> week-long answering of "but how can we cheat using this additional
>>>> peripheral" kinds of questions. ;)
>>>>
>>>> So that's the main deal. Most of the Gamma 4 participants are  
>>>> not going
>>>> to be participating with accessibility in mind -- so Barrie,  
>>>> being our
>>>> resident expert on all things one switch/button is working hard on
>>>> making sure that participants know how much MORE this challenge  
>>>> can be!
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> I think more people "get" one button than switch in the US and/ 
>>>> or those
>>>> outside the accessibility realm...but that's just my guess.  
>>>> Switch, to
>>>> me, is a term that is very much tied to accessibility. But I may be
>>>> wrong...I have been before. hehe.
>>>>
>>>> Michelle
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Nissa Ludwig wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, I am going to jump in here...
>>>>
>>>> Would using "one button or switch"  or "one button/switch " clear
>>>> this one us so that everyone would be able to take the device  
>>>> they are
>>>> dealing with and make it fit in to the wording?  I realize that  
>>>> I may
>>>> be over simplifying (or, - without intent  - making things even  
>>>> more
>>>> complicated) with this response.  I just think that if we  
>>>> include both
>>>> perhaps we get around the entire issue of not understanding one  
>>>> word or
>>>> the other. I do realize that I am asking us to type a few more
>>>> characters but it also seems to me that if we avoid confusion in  
>>>> doing
>>>> so, it might be worth that effort.
>>>>
>>>> Just my random thought,
>>>>
>>>> Nissa
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!
>>>>
>>>> Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the one
>>>> switch guidelines may be the most easy and less confusing  
>>>> language to
>>>> use. Many do not understand what a "switch" is and we definitely  
>>>> don't
>>>> want to make things more difficult! :) That doesn't mean we  
>>>> can't use
>>>> the experience to let others know how to find out about the  
>>>> history and
>>>> what "one switch" means to the disabled but I think "one button"  
>>>> is the
>>>> way to start that conversation rather than scare away people with
>>>> language.
>>>>
>>>> Just my thoughts. :)
>>>>
>>>> Michelle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
>>>> Date: December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST
>>>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>>>> <games_access at igda.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch
>>>> game ?
>>>> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis"
>>>> <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I personally use one-switch because of the tie up
>>>> with accessibility switches, of which there are many more types  
>>>> than
>>>> just a push-button. From the field of educational accessibility
>>>> software, one-switch / two-switch accessibility is a standard  
>>>> term that
>>>> has been used long-before I knew anything about it. That's why I  
>>>> like
>>>> to use it in reference to one-button games.
>>>>
>>>> Barrie
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM
>>>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>>>> <games_access at igda.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch
>>>> game ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so, I prefer one button since
>>> the
>>>> word is a bit easier to understand than switch
>>>> /Thomas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> is there a difference between "one
>>>> button" and "one switch" game?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Sandra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>>
>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>>
>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:16:16 -0600
Subject: [games_access] More from Barrie on One Switch/Button
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Yep -- it's on Barrie's site and is at http:// 
switchgaming.blogspot.com/2009/12/gamma-iv-one-switch-help.html

Note: These are NOT the Gamma IV official rules -- these are a way to  
help developers who choose to make their games more accessible do so.  
There is NO requirement that any of the contestants follow any rules  
other than the ones on the Gamma IV website. We are hoping that they  
will create an additional award for "most accessible" but that may  
happen post-GDC.

They have been kind enough to support our inquiries about what makes  
a one button/switch game exactly that -- a one button/switch game but  
there are no requirements to, for example, include features that slow  
down the game, etc. Given their purpose -- creating new and  
innovative games that require one button/switch -- it may or may not  
be the case that the winning game be accessible to all one switch/ 
button gamers. We're hoping it is...but, again, it's not our  
competition. We're just joining in and we're happy that they are  
doing what they can to help the cause! We kind of sprung this on them  
given that we didn't know what they were going to announce before  
they announced what the theme was! :)

Michelle

On Dec 10, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Sandra Uhling wrote:

> Hi,
>
> do we have something like a FAQ?
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
>> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von D. Michelle Hinn
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 18:44
>> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>> Betreff: [games_access] More from Barrie on One Switch/Button
>>
>> Also, they prohibit the use of any of the "sticks" you see on the
>> controller that can be pressed down as buttons but also be used for
>> direction -- that's the easiest explanation I can think of about the
>> Gamma IV rule change you mention, Sandra.
>>
>> For programmers to grasp, yes, I would hope that an interchangeable
>> word could work...but, hey, with Heather mentioning that they have
>> gotten overloaded with emails about this and that, which could be  
>> used
>> as "cheats" then I guess I don't blame their caution about starting
>> another load of it by adding in the word "switch." :)
>>
>> I can imagine all the "oh, can we use one of those as another  
>> button to
>> do other stuff????" questions. I do have to feel for them...sometimes
>> opening up even the simplest of contests as we did about 4 years ago
>> can bring with it a HOST of questions, making you feel like "what  
>> did I
>> get myself into?" I can't imagine hosting something like this!!! :)
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>>
>>
>> 	From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
>> 	Date: December 10, 2009 2:12:28 AM CST
>> 	To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>> <games_access at igda.org>
>> 	Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>> 	Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>>
>>
>> 	I personally think this is confusing something that is pretty
>> simple in reality. Either term is fine, and one-switch only really
>> takes a little further explanation to my mind. As we are in the field
>> of accessibility, one-switch seems sensible to stick by to me. One-
>> button/one-switch in certain circumstances seems fine too. I don't
>> think it's too much to ask people to grasp who can program a  
>> computer.
>>
>> 	As regards Gamma IV the only real confusion I've seen on the
>> forum is whether or not the game control (mapped to the 'A' button on
>> an Xbox 360 joypad) could be analogue in function. It can't be.  
>> It's on
>> or off and that's it, just like the SPACE BAR on your keyboard.
>>
>> 	Hope that helps, Sandra?
>>
>> 	Barrie
>>
>>
>> 	--------------------------------------------------
>> 	From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
>> 	Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:37 AM
>> 	To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"
>> <games_access at igda.org>
>> 	Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>>
>>
>> 		Hi,
>>
>> 		I was just wondering if there is a technical difference.
>>
>> 		E.g.
>> 		Switch only on/off
>> 		Button on off and on on on off , ....
>>
>> 		One Button is maybe the best term for developer.
>> 		Also it looks like they had to add some information.
>> 		That is has to be a button, not this button that can be
>> moved in circle.
>> 		Sorry I do not know the name.
>>
>> 		Best regards,
>> 		Sandra
>>
>>
>> 			-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> 			Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org
>> [mailto:games_access-
>> 			bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von D. Michelle Hinn
>> 			Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 06:30
>> 			An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>> 			Betreff: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>>
>> 			I think that the main issue is whether the Gamma 4
>> team will change the
>> 			name -- and from what I am seeing, it doesn't seem
> to
>> be the case. And
>> 			that's ok. So in Barrie's guide and how we refer to
>> it, we need to put
>> 			a little historical context in it as to why it is
>> "switch" without
>> 			confusing (some already confused and/or scheming for
>> a way to use
>> 			another input than simply one "click") Gamma 4
>> participants. But
>> 			calling it one button/switch may overload the Gamma
> 4
>> (and there are
>> 			only 4 of them!) team because they will be asked
> what
>> on earth a switch
>> 			is [see next paragraph].
>>
>> 			Heather did mention that they just got through
>> explaining that using
>> 			alternatives to buttons (ie, space bar versus mouse
>> button versus the
>> 			return key) does not mean that you can map THREE
>> DIFFERENT items to
>> 			those -- they have to do the SAME function. So she's
>> asked us to be
>> 			cautious in how "switch" is introduced so as not to
>> start the same
>> 			week-long answering of "but how can we cheat using
>> this additional
>> 			peripheral" kinds of questions. ;)
>>
>> 			So that's the main deal. Most of the Gamma 4
>> participants are not going
>> 			to be participating with accessibility in mind -- so
>> Barrie, being our
>> 			resident expert on all things one switch/button is
>> working hard on
>> 			making sure that participants know how much MORE
> this
>> challenge can be!
>> 			:)
>>
>> 			I think more people "get" one button than switch in
>> the US and/or those
>> 			outside the accessibility realm...but that's just my
>> guess. Switch, to
>> 			me, is a term that is very much tied to
>> accessibility. But I may be
>> 			wrong...I have been before. hehe.
>>
>> 			Michelle
>>
>> 			On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Nissa Ludwig wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 			So, I am going to jump in here...
>>
>> 			Would using "one button or switch"  or "one
>> button/switch " clear
>> 			this one us so that everyone would be able to take
>> the device they are
>> 			dealing with and make it fit in to the wording?  I
>> realize that I may
>> 			be over simplifying (or, - without intent  - making
>> things even more
>> 			complicated) with this response.  I just think that
>> if we include both
>> 			perhaps we get around the entire issue of not
>> understanding one word or
>> 			the other. I do realize that I am asking us to type
> a
>> few more
>> 			characters but it also seems to me that if we avoid
>> confusion in doing
>> 			so, it might be worth that effort.
>>
>> 			Just my random thought,
>>
>> 			Nissa
>>
>> 			On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM, D. Michelle Hinn
>> <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>> 			wrote:
>>
>>
>> 			Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!
>>
>> 			Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the
>> one
>> 			switch guidelines may be the most easy and less
>> confusing language to
>> 			use. Many do not understand what a "switch" is and
> we
>> definitely don't
>> 			want to make things more difficult! :) That doesn't
>> mean we can't use
>> 			the experience to let others know how to find out
>> about the history and
>> 			what "one switch" means to the disabled but I think
>> "one button" is the
>> 			way to start that conversation rather than scare
> away
>> people with
>> 			language.
>>
>> 			Just my thoughts. :)
>>
>> 			Michelle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 			From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
>> 			Date: December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST
>> 			To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>> 			<games_access at igda.org>
>> 			Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch
>> 			game ?
>> 			Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis"
>> 			<barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>>
>>
>> 			I personally use one-switch because of the tie up
>> 			with accessibility switches, of which there are many
>> more types than
>> 			just a push-button. From the field of educational
>> accessibility
>> 			software, one-switch / two-switch accessibility is a
>> standard term that
>> 			has been used long-before I knew anything about it.
>> That's why I like
>> 			to use it in reference to one-button games.
>>
>> 			Barrie
>>
>> 			--------------------------------------------------
>> 			From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>
>> 			Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM
>> 			To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>> 			<games_access at igda.org>
>> 			Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch
>> 			game ?
>>
>>
>> 			I don't think so, I prefer one button since
>>
>> 		the
>>
>> 			word is a bit easier to understand than switch
>> 			/Thomas
>>
>>
>> 			On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling
>> 			wrote:
>>
>>
>> 			Hi,
>>
>> 			is there a difference between "one
>> 			button" and "one switch" game?
>>
>> 			Best regards,
>> 			Sandra
>>
>>
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From blazeeagle at suddenlink.net  Fri Dec 11 03:25:52 2009
From: blazeeagle at suddenlink.net (BlazeEagle)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:25:52 -0500
Subject: [games_access] games_access Digest, Vol 68, Issue 15
References: <mailman.11.1260370807.37566.games_access@igda.org>
Message-ID: <8672CB2518974C538F157A8732404BC6@aarons>

I think it depends upon the context. Same games I presume just use a  switch 
whereas others use just buttons. I presume yet others use a combinaation of 
buttons AND switches! It's certainly quite a cantankerous isssue to resolve!

- BlazeEagle -
http://blazeeagle.blogspot.com/


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> is there a difference between "one button" and "one switch" game?
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> 2009/12/9 Sandra Uhling <sandra_uhling at web.de>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> is there a difference between "one button" and "one switch" game?
>>
>> Best regards,
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From inrnette at aol.com  Fri Dec 11 12:35:27 2009
From: inrnette at aol.com (John Morgan)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:35:27 +0000
Subject: [games_access] One switch/one button
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Are you thinking about joystick
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:37:59 
To: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'<games_access at igda.org>
Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button

Hi,

I was just wondering if there is a technical difference.

E.g.
Switch only on/off
Button on off and on on on off , ....

One Button is maybe the best term for developer.
Also it looks like they had to add some information.
That is has to be a button, not this button that can be moved in circle.
Sorry I do not know the name.

Best regards,
Sandra

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von D. Michelle Hinn
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 06:30
> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Betreff: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
> 
> I think that the main issue is whether the Gamma 4 team will change the
> name -- and from what I am seeing, it doesn't seem to be the case. And
> that's ok. So in Barrie's guide and how we refer to it, we need to put
> a little historical context in it as to why it is "switch" without
> confusing (some already confused and/or scheming for a way to use
> another input than simply one "click") Gamma 4 participants. But
> calling it one button/switch may overload the Gamma 4 (and there are
> only 4 of them!) team because they will be asked what on earth a switch
> is [see next paragraph].
> 
> Heather did mention that they just got through explaining that using
> alternatives to buttons (ie, space bar versus mouse button versus the
> return key) does not mean that you can map THREE DIFFERENT items to
> those -- they have to do the SAME function. So she's asked us to be
> cautious in how "switch" is introduced so as not to start the same
> week-long answering of "but how can we cheat using this additional
> peripheral" kinds of questions. ;)
> 
> So that's the main deal. Most of the Gamma 4 participants are not going
> to be participating with accessibility in mind -- so Barrie, being our
> resident expert on all things one switch/button is working hard on
> making sure that participants know how much MORE this challenge can be!
> :)
> 
> I think more people "get" one button than switch in the US and/or those
> outside the accessibility realm...but that's just my guess. Switch, to
> me, is a term that is very much tied to accessibility. But I may be
> wrong...I have been before. hehe.
> 
> Michelle
> 
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Nissa Ludwig wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>   So, I am going to jump in here...
> 
>   Would using "one button or switch"  or "one button/switch " clear
> this one us so that everyone would be able to take the device they are
> dealing with and make it fit in to the wording?  I realize that I may
> be over simplifying (or, - without intent  - making things even more
> complicated) with this response.  I just think that if we include both
> perhaps we get around the entire issue of not understanding one word or
> the other. I do realize that I am asking us to type a few more
> characters but it also seems to me that if we avoid confusion in doing
> so, it might be worth that effort.
> 
>   Just my random thought,
> 
>   Nissa
> 
>   On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu>
> wrote:
> 
> 
>       Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!
> 
>       Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the one
> switch guidelines may be the most easy and less confusing language to
> use. Many do not understand what a "switch" is and we definitely don't
> want to make things more difficult! :) That doesn't mean we can't use
> the experience to let others know how to find out about the history and
> what "one switch" means to the disabled but I think "one button" is the
> way to start that conversation rather than scare away people with
> language.
> 
>       Just my thoughts. :)
> 
>       Michelle
> 
> 
> 
> 
>           From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
>           Date: December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST
>           To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> <games_access at igda.org>
>           Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch
> game ?
>           Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis"
> <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
> 
> 
>           I personally use one-switch because of the tie up
> with accessibility switches, of which there are many more types than
> just a push-button. From the field of educational accessibility
> software, one-switch / two-switch accessibility is a standard term that
> has been used long-before I knew anything about it. That's why I like
> to use it in reference to one-button games.
> 
>           Barrie
> 
>           --------------------------------------------------
>           From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>
>           Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM
>           To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> <games_access at igda.org>
>           Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch
> game ?
> 
> 
>               I don't think so, I prefer one button since
the
> word is a bit easier to understand than switch
>               /Thomas
> 
> 
>               On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling
> wrote:
> 
> 
>                   Hi,
> 
>                   is there a difference between "one
> button" and "one switch" game?
> 
>                   Best regards,
>                   Sandra
> 
> 
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From sandra_uhling at web.de  Fri Dec 11 12:19:36 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:19:36 +0100
Subject: [games_access] One switch/one button
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Hi,

no.
Joystick is analog?

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von John Morgan
> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Dezember 2009 18:35
> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Betreff: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
> 
> Are you thinking about joystick
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:37:59
> To: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'<games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was just wondering if there is a technical difference.
> 
> E.g.
> Switch only on/off
> Button on off and on on on off , ....
> 
> One Button is maybe the best term for developer.
> Also it looks like they had to add some information.
> That is has to be a button, not this button that can be moved in
> circle.
> Sorry I do not know the name.
> 
> Best regards,
> Sandra
> 
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
> > bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von D. Michelle Hinn
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 06:30
> > An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> > Betreff: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
> >
> > I think that the main issue is whether the Gamma 4 team will change
> > the name -- and from what I am seeing, it doesn't seem to be the
> case.
> > And that's ok. So in Barrie's guide and how we refer to it, we need
> to
> > put a little historical context in it as to why it is "switch"
> without
> > confusing (some already confused and/or scheming for a way to use
> > another input than simply one "click") Gamma 4 participants. But
> > calling it one button/switch may overload the Gamma 4 (and there are
> > only 4 of them!) team because they will be asked what on earth a
> > switch is [see next paragraph].
> >
> > Heather did mention that they just got through explaining that using
> > alternatives to buttons (ie, space bar versus mouse button versus the
> > return key) does not mean that you can map THREE DIFFERENT items to
> > those -- they have to do the SAME function. So she's asked us to be
> > cautious in how "switch" is introduced so as not to start the same
> > week-long answering of "but how can we cheat using this additional
> > peripheral" kinds of questions. ;)
> >
> > So that's the main deal. Most of the Gamma 4 participants are not
> > going to be participating with accessibility in mind -- so Barrie,
> > being our resident expert on all things one switch/button is working
> > hard on making sure that participants know how much MORE this
> challenge can be!
> > :)
> >
> > I think more people "get" one button than switch in the US and/or
> > those outside the accessibility realm...but that's just my guess.
> > Switch, to me, is a term that is very much tied to accessibility. But
> > I may be wrong...I have been before. hehe.
> >
> > Michelle
> >
> > On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Nissa Ludwig wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >   So, I am going to jump in here...
> >
> >   Would using "one button or switch"  or "one button/switch " clear
> > this one us so that everyone would be able to take the device they
> are
> > dealing with and make it fit in to the wording?  I realize that I may
> > be over simplifying (or, - without intent  - making things even more
> > complicated) with this response.  I just think that if we include
> both
> > perhaps we get around the entire issue of not understanding one word
> > or the other. I do realize that I am asking us to type a few more
> > characters but it also seems to me that if we avoid confusion in
> doing
> > so, it might be worth that effort.
> >
> >   Just my random thought,
> >
> >   Nissa
> >
> >   On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >       Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!
> >
> >       Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the one switch
> > guidelines may be the most easy and less confusing language to use.
> > Many do not understand what a "switch" is and we definitely don't
> want
> > to make things more difficult! :) That doesn't mean we can't use the
> > experience to let others know how to find out about the history and
> > what "one switch" means to the disabled but I think "one button" is
> > the way to start that conversation rather than scare away people with
> > language.
> >
> >       Just my thoughts. :)
> >
> >       Michelle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >           From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
> >           Date: December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST
> >           To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> > <games_access at igda.org>
> >           Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch game ?
> >           Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis"
> > <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
> >
> >
> >           I personally use one-switch because of the tie up with
> > accessibility switches, of which there are many more types than just
> a
> > push-button. From the field of educational accessibility software,
> > one-switch / two-switch accessibility is a standard term that has
> been
> > used long-before I knew anything about it. That's why I like to use
> it
> > in reference to one-button games.
> >
> >           Barrie
> >
> >           --------------------------------------------------
> >           From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>
> >           Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM
> >           To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> > <games_access at igda.org>
> >           Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch game ?
> >
> >
> >               I don't think so, I prefer one button since
> the
> > word is a bit easier to understand than switch
> >               /Thomas
> >
> >
> >               On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >                   Hi,
> >
> >                   is there a difference between "one button" and "one
> > switch" game?
> >
> >                   Best regards,
> >                   Sandra
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >                   games_access mailing list
> >                   games_access at igda.org
> >
> >   http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> >               games_access mailing list
> >               games_access at igda.org
> >
> >   http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >       games_access mailing list
> >       games_access at igda.org
> >       http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >   games_access mailing list
> >   games_access at igda.org
> >   http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From steve at ablegamers.com  Sun Dec 13 00:30:31 2009
From: steve at ablegamers.com (Steven Spohn)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 00:30:31 -0500
Subject: [games_access] we have lost a colleague
In-Reply-To: <003501ca7a86$1dd67240$598356c0$@de>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org>	<2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu>	<80b009f30912091726m4009470fx9171c585f7e6894d@mail.gmail.com><65587B29-D640-4D32-9455-5EB5DA992EDE@uiuc.edu><003a01ca796b$b29d3830$17d7a890$@de>	<1894035503-1260549575-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1066839702-@bda243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<003501ca7a86$1dd67240$598356c0$@de>
Message-ID: <007b01ca7bb5$6457c090$2d0741b0$@com>

Dear Sig,

I am writing to you today with a very heavy heart. One of AbleGamers' best
writers Corey "Dis" Krull passed away Friday, December 11, 2009.  Although
he never joined the list, it was truly one of accessibility's greatest
champions. He was someone who didn't care about the behind closed doors
politics, numbers, stat counters, or recognition. He really want to help
people play videogames after they thought they no longer could.

If you have a moment, please stop by
http://www.ablegamers.com/disabled-gamers-general-news/Rest-in-Peace-Dear-Co
rey.html and leave a comment for his friends and family.

Thank you,

Steve Spohn
Associate Editor
www.AbleGamers.com



From steve at ablegamers.com  Sun Dec 13 00:49:11 2009
From: steve at ablegamers.com (Steven Spohn)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 00:49:11 -0500
Subject: [games_access] FW:  we have lost a colleague
Message-ID: <007c01ca7bb7$ff4f2910$fded7b30$@com>

Forwarding because it got caught by the spam filter

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Barlet [mailto:mark at ablegamers.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:46 AM
To: Steve Spohn
Subject: Fwd: [games_access] we have lost a colleague

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mark Barlet <mark at ablegamers.com>
Date: Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [games_access] we have lost a colleague
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>


He was one of the best. He started D-gamer.com and before his host up
and left him was doing his best to tell the world how important gaming
was to the disabled community. He was a great friend, and when his
family called me this eve I was speechless. God bless you Dis!

Mark

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Steven Spohn <steve at ablegamers.com> wrote:
> Dear Sig,
>
> I am writing to you today with a very heavy heart. One of AbleGamers' best
> writers Corey "Dis" Krull passed away Friday, December 11, 2009. ?Although
> he never joined the list, it was truly one of accessibility's greatest
> champions. He was someone who didn't care about the behind closed doors
> politics, numbers, stat counters, or recognition. He really want to help
> people play videogames after they thought they no longer could.
>
> If you have a moment, please stop by
>
http://www.ablegamers.com/disabled-gamers-general-news/Rest-in-Peace-Dear-Co
> rey.html and leave a comment for his friends and family.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Steve Spohn
> Associate Editor
> www.AbleGamers.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>



--
Mark C. Barlet
Editor-in-Chief
AbleGamers.com



-- 
Mark C. Barlet
Editor-in-Chief
AbleGamers.com
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From mark at ablegamers.com  Sun Dec 13 00:39:45 2009
From: mark at ablegamers.com (Mark Barlet)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 00:39:45 -0500
Subject: [games_access] we have lost a colleague
In-Reply-To: <007b01ca7bb5$6457c090$2d0741b0$@com>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org>
	<2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu>
	<80b009f30912091726m4009470fx9171c585f7e6894d@mail.gmail.com>
	<65587B29-D640-4D32-9455-5EB5DA992EDE@uiuc.edu>
	<003a01ca796b$b29d3830$17d7a890$@de>
	<1894035503-1260549575-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1066839702-@bda243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<003501ca7a86$1dd67240$598356c0$@de>
	<007b01ca7bb5$6457c090$2d0741b0$@com>
Message-ID: <191870b70912122139k4c84deb5m2b6efead85de5aa@mail.gmail.com>

He was one of the best. He started D-gamer.com and before his host up
and left him was doing his best to tell the world how important gaming
was to the disabled community. He was a great friend, and when his
family called me this eve I was speechless. God bless you Dis!

Mark

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Steven Spohn <steve at ablegamers.com> wrote:
> Dear Sig,
>
> I am writing to you today with a very heavy heart. One of AbleGamers' best
> writers Corey "Dis" Krull passed away Friday, December 11, 2009. ?Although
> he never joined the list, it was truly one of accessibility's greatest
> champions. He was someone who didn't care about the behind closed doors
> politics, numbers, stat counters, or recognition. He really want to help
> people play videogames after they thought they no longer could.
>
> If you have a moment, please stop by
> http://www.ablegamers.com/disabled-gamers-general-news/Rest-in-Peace-Dear-Co
> rey.html and leave a comment for his friends and family.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Steve Spohn
> Associate Editor
> www.AbleGamers.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>



-- 
Mark C. Barlet
Editor-in-Chief
AbleGamers.com


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sun Dec 13 16:43:42 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:43:42 -0600
Subject: [games_access] we have lost a colleague
In-Reply-To: <007b01ca7bb5$6457c090$2d0741b0$@com>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org>	<2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu>	<80b009f30912091726m4009470fx9171c585f7e6894d@mail.gmail.com><65587B29-D640-4D32-9455-5EB5DA992EDE@uiuc.edu><003a01ca796b$b29d3830$17d7a890$@de>	<1894035503-1260549575-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1066839702-@bda243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<003501ca7a86$1dd67240$598356c0$@de>
	<007b01ca7bb5$6457c090$2d0741b0$@com>
Message-ID: <3500D8C2-13C0-4180-B650-761792092EB8@uiuc.edu>

Corey has actually been a member of the SIG for quite some time. I  
knew him for many years and I am absolutely devastated by the news. I  
know we all are.

A sad time, indeed, Steve. Thanks for letting us know.

Michelle

On Dec 12, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Steven Spohn wrote:

> Dear Sig,
>
> I am writing to you today with a very heavy heart. One of  
> AbleGamers' best
> writers Corey "Dis" Krull passed away Friday, December 11, 2009.   
> Although
> he never joined the list, it was truly one of accessibility's greatest
> champions. He was someone who didn't care about the behind closed  
> doors
> politics, numbers, stat counters, or recognition. He really want to  
> help
> people play videogames after they thought they no longer could.
>
> If you have a moment, please stop by
> http://www.ablegamers.com/disabled-gamers-general-news/Rest-in- 
> Peace-Dear-Co
> rey.html and leave a comment for his friends and family.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Steve Spohn
> Associate Editor
> www.AbleGamers.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From claudio.zeni at bluewin.ch  Sun Dec 13 16:23:31 2009
From: claudio.zeni at bluewin.ch (Claudio Zeni)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:23:31 +0100
Subject: [games_access] we have lost a colleague
In-Reply-To: <191870b70912122139k4c84deb5m2b6efead85de5aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org><2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu><80b009f30912091726m4009470fx9171c585f7e6894d@mail.gmail.com><65587B29-D640-4D32-9455-5EB5DA992EDE@uiuc.edu><003a01ca796b$b29d3830$17d7a890$@de><1894035503-1260549575-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1066839702-@bda243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><003501ca7a86$1dd67240$598356c0$@de><007b01ca7bb5$6457c090$2d0741b0$@com>
	<191870b70912122139k4c84deb5m2b6efead85de5aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62036D7FEF5147C38324DC7DC7632FC2@Claudiopc>

Hi,

I'm sat about this.
I wish all the best to the family and to the others who knew him.
Could anyone please send the link again to the website where we can leave
comments?
The adress hasn't worked with my computer.
Best regards and thanks
Claudio Zeni



From mark at ablegamers.com  Sun Dec 13 16:49:05 2009
From: mark at ablegamers.com (Mark Barlet)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:49:05 -0500
Subject: [games_access] we have lost a colleague
In-Reply-To: <62036D7FEF5147C38324DC7DC7632FC2@Claudiopc>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org>
	<2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu>
	<80b009f30912091726m4009470fx9171c585f7e6894d@mail.gmail.com>
	<65587B29-D640-4D32-9455-5EB5DA992EDE@uiuc.edu>
	<003a01ca796b$b29d3830$17d7a890$@de>
	<1894035503-1260549575-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1066839702-@bda243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<003501ca7a86$1dd67240$598356c0$@de>
	<007b01ca7bb5$6457c090$2d0741b0$@com>
	<191870b70912122139k4c84deb5m2b6efead85de5aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<62036D7FEF5147C38324DC7DC7632FC2@Claudiopc>
Message-ID: <191870b70912131349g3af221b1l64721d2e24676e7@mail.gmail.com>

We are collecting comments here
http://ablegamers.com/disabled-gamers-general-news/Rest-in-Peace-Dear-Corey.html

Yes he was a member of the sig, poping in once in a while and adding
real wisdom.

His last story was on the EPOC, he had one, and was trying to make it work.

Did you know that he typed using morise code? That is right he did.
http://ablegamers.com/disabled-gamers-general-news/Muscular-Dystrophy-Doesnt-Keep-Me-From-Gaming.html

Take care!

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Claudio Zeni <claudio.zeni at bluewin.ch> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm sat about this.
> I wish all the best to the family and to the others who knew him.
> Could anyone please send the link again to the website where we can leave
> comments?
> The adress hasn't worked with my computer.
> Best regards and thanks
> Claudio Zeni
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>



-- 
Mark C. Barlet
Editor-in-Chief
AbleGamers.com


From steve at ablegamers.com  Sun Dec 13 16:50:45 2009
From: steve at ablegamers.com (Steven Spohn)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:50:45 -0500
Subject: [games_access] we have lost a colleague
In-Reply-To: <3500D8C2-13C0-4180-B650-761792092EB8@uiuc.edu>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org>	<2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu>	<80b009f30912091726m4009470fx9171c585f7e6894d@mail.gmail.com><65587B29-D640-4D32-9455-5EB5DA992EDE@uiuc.edu><003a01ca796b$b29d3830$17d7a890$@de>	<1894035503-1260549575-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1066839702-@bda243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>	<003501ca7a86$1dd67240$598356c0$@de>	<007b01ca7bb5$6457c090$2d0741b0$@com>
	<3500D8C2-13C0-4180-B650-761792092EB8@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <009801ca7c3e$53e20b60$fba62220$@com>

Yes, I meant Active sig'er... Yesterday was hard and my mind wasn't clear.
Apologies.

-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of D. Michelle Hinn
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:44 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] we have lost a colleague

Corey has actually been a member of the SIG for quite some time. I  
knew him for many years and I am absolutely devastated by the news. I  
know we all are.

A sad time, indeed, Steve. Thanks for letting us know.

Michelle

On Dec 12, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Steven Spohn wrote:

> Dear Sig,
>
> I am writing to you today with a very heavy heart. One of  
> AbleGamers' best
> writers Corey "Dis" Krull passed away Friday, December 11, 2009.   
> Although
> he never joined the list, it was truly one of accessibility's greatest
> champions. He was someone who didn't care about the behind closed  
> doors
> politics, numbers, stat counters, or recognition. He really want to  
> help
> people play videogames after they thought they no longer could.
>
> If you have a moment, please stop by
> http://www.ablegamers.com/disabled-gamers-general-news/Rest-in- 
> Peace-Dear-Co
> rey.html and leave a comment for his friends and family.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Steve Spohn
> Associate Editor
> www.AbleGamers.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

_______________________________________________
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sun Dec 13 16:53:42 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:53:42 -0600
Subject: [games_access] we have lost a colleague
In-Reply-To: <62036D7FEF5147C38324DC7DC7632FC2@Claudiopc>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org><2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu><80b009f30912091726m4009470fx9171c585f7e6894d@mail.gmail.com><65587B29-D640-4D32-9455-5EB5DA992EDE@uiuc.edu><003a01ca796b$b29d3830$17d7a890$@de><1894035503-1260549575-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1066839702-@bda243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><003501ca7a86$1dd67240$598356c0$@de><007b01ca7bb5$6457c090$2d0741b0$@com>
	<191870b70912122139k4c84deb5m2b6efead85de5aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<62036D7FEF5147C38324DC7DC7632FC2@Claudiopc>
Message-ID: <D81D59EF-BE9A-496A-818F-1EC6606FA3D3@uiuc.edu>

It's a long URL so you may need to copy and paste into your browser:

http://www.ablegamers.com/disabled-gamers-general-news/Rest-in-Peace- 
Dear-Corey.html

if that doesn't work, try this:

http://tinyurl.com/yepypgw

Michelle

On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Claudio Zeni wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm sat about this.
> I wish all the best to the family and to the others who knew him.
> Could anyone please send the link again to the website where we can  
> leave
> comments?
> The adress hasn't worked with my computer.
> Best regards and thanks
> Claudio Zeni
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sun Dec 13 16:59:55 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:59:55 -0600
Subject: [games_access] we have lost a colleague
In-Reply-To: <009801ca7c3e$53e20b60$fba62220$@com>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org>	<2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu>	<80b009f30912091726m4009470fx9171c585f7e6894d@mail.gmail.com><65587B29-D640-4D32-9455-5EB5DA992EDE@uiuc.edu><003a01ca796b$b29d3830$17d7a890$@de>	<1894035503-1260549575-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1066839702-@bda243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>	<003501ca7a86$1dd67240$598356c0$@de>	<007b01ca7bb5$6457c090$2d0741b0$@com>
	<3500D8C2-13C0-4180-B650-761792092EB8@uiuc.edu>
	<009801ca7c3e$53e20b60$fba62220$@com>
Message-ID: <ADB99B68-914B-4E06-96BB-289DB34A0A10@uiuc.edu>

Please, no worries. I just wanted to say that Corey had been a part  
of the accessibility movement for a very long time now. I know that  
he was very excited when I introduced him to AbleGamers -- it meant  
so much to him to be able to focus on what he wanted to share.

Rest in Peace, Corey.

Michelle

On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Steven Spohn wrote:

> Yes, I meant Active sig'er... Yesterday was hard and my mind wasn't  
> clear.
> Apologies.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access- 
> bounces at igda.org]
> On Behalf Of D. Michelle Hinn
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:44 PM
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [games_access] we have lost a colleague
>
> Corey has actually been a member of the SIG for quite some time. I
> knew him for many years and I am absolutely devastated by the news. I
> know we all are.
>
> A sad time, indeed, Steve. Thanks for letting us know.
>
> Michelle
>
> On Dec 12, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Steven Spohn wrote:
>
>> Dear Sig,
>>
>> I am writing to you today with a very heavy heart. One of
>> AbleGamers' best
>> writers Corey "Dis" Krull passed away Friday, December 11, 2009.
>> Although
>> he never joined the list, it was truly one of accessibility's  
>> greatest
>> champions. He was someone who didn't care about the behind closed
>> doors
>> politics, numbers, stat counters, or recognition. He really want to
>> help
>> people play videogames after they thought they no longer could.
>>
>> If you have a moment, please stop by
>> http://www.ablegamers.com/disabled-gamers-general-news/Rest-in-
>> Peace-Dear-Co
>> rey.html and leave a comment for his friends and family.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Steve Spohn
>> Associate Editor
>> www.AbleGamers.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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From javier.mairena at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 17:30:40 2009
From: javier.mairena at gmail.com (Javier)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:30:40 +0100
Subject: [games_access] we have lost a colleague
In-Reply-To: <ADB99B68-914B-4E06-96BB-289DB34A0A10@uiuc.edu>
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Great first article!!

I love the final:

"As you know, accessible devices can be pricey. In addition, you need to
find what devices work best for you. Making your own Mods that cater to your
physical capabilities is an option too, even that can get expensive. But
what is more important, the cost or the freedom? Freedom, am I right? Of
course I am. For those of us that are true gamers, we would not know what we
would do if we could not play games. This is why accessibility is so
important, in devices and in games. It is an issue that needs to be
addressed for everyone's sake. Games give us a world of access and freedom."
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From mark at ablegamers.com  Sun Dec 13 17:52:15 2009
From: mark at ablegamers.com (Mark Barlet)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:52:15 -0500
Subject: [games_access] we have lost a colleague
In-Reply-To: <b900ac550912131430g777d24edua7efefab75da01c6@mail.gmail.com>
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I just got off the phone with his mother. She said that his move from
okay to not good was very swift. His heart just could not take it
anymore. She said that she will send a message to over in the next few
hours and asked that I share it with others. So when it comes to me I
will share it with you all.

Gaming was his life, and he had some major contraptions that allowed
him to play. Corey was proof that if you wanted to play, you could,
you just needed to think outside the box, sometime WAY WAY outside the
box.

Mark

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Javier <javier.mairena at gmail.com> wrote:
> Great first article!!
>
> I love the final:
>
> "As you know, accessible devices can be pricey. In addition, you need to
> find what devices work best for you. Making your own Mods that cater to your
> physical capabilities is an option too, even that can get expensive. But
> what is more important, the cost or the freedom? Freedom, am I right? Of
> course I am. For those of us that are true gamers, we would not know what we
> would do if we could not play games. This is why accessibility is so
> important, in devices and in games. It is an issue that needs to be
> addressed for everyone's sake. Games give us a world of access and freedom."
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>



-- 
Mark C. Barlet
Editor-in-Chief
AbleGamers.com


From sheri at designdirectdeliver.com  Sun Dec 13 18:31:00 2009
From: sheri at designdirectdeliver.com (Sheri Rubin)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:31:00 -0800
Subject: [games_access] we have lost a colleague
In-Reply-To: <3500D8C2-13C0-4180-B650-761792092EB8@uiuc.edu>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org>	<2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu>	<80b009f30912091726m4009470fx9171c585f7e6894d@mail.gmail.com><65587B29-D640-4D32-9455-5EB5DA992EDE@uiuc.edu><003a01ca796b$b29d3830$17d7a890$@de>	<1894035503-1260549575-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1066839702-@bda243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>	<003501ca7a86$1dd67240$598356c0$@de>	<007b01ca7bb5$6457c090$2d0741b0$@com>
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Message-ID: <4B257934.7030900@designdirectdeliver.com>

May I suggest a brief write-up about Corey and all that he did for 
accessibility and try and submit it for the January Newsletter (deadline 
is December 20th I believe)?

D. Michelle Hinn wrote:
> Corey has actually been a member of the SIG for quite some time. I 
> knew him for many years and I am absolutely devastated by the news. I 
> know we all are.
>
> A sad time, indeed, Steve. Thanks for letting us know.
>
> Michelle
>
> On Dec 12, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Steven Spohn wrote:
>
>> Dear Sig,
>>
>> I am writing to you today with a very heavy heart. One of AbleGamers' 
>> best
>> writers Corey "Dis" Krull passed away Friday, December 11, 2009.  
>> Although
>> he never joined the list, it was truly one of accessibility's greatest
>> champions. He was someone who didn't care about the behind closed doors
>> politics, numbers, stat counters, or recognition. He really want to help
>> people play videogames after they thought they no longer could.
>>
>> If you have a moment, please stop by
>> http://www.ablegamers.com/disabled-gamers-general-news/Rest-in-Peace-Dear-Co 
>>
>> rey.html and leave a comment for his friends and family.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Steve Spohn
>> Associate Editor
>> www.AbleGamers.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>

-- 
*Sheri Rubin*
CEO and Founder

*Design Direct Deliver*
Website: www.designdirectdeliver.com <http://www.designdirectdeliver.com>
Email: sheri at designdirectdeliver.com <mailto:sheri at designdirectdeliver.com>
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From mark at ablegamers.com  Sun Dec 13 18:32:47 2009
From: mark at ablegamers.com (Mark Barlet)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:32:47 -0500
Subject: [games_access] we have lost a colleague
In-Reply-To: <4B257934.7030900@designdirectdeliver.com>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org>
	<2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu>
	<80b009f30912091726m4009470fx9171c585f7e6894d@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <191870b70912131532l6661299dhdf58a0e62bec45db@mail.gmail.com>

Sheri, we will get right on that. What address do we send it to.

Mark

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Sheri Rubin
<sheri at designdirectdeliver.com> wrote:
> May I suggest a brief write-up about Corey and all that he did for
> accessibility and try and submit it for the January Newsletter (deadline is
> December 20th I believe)?
>
> D. Michelle Hinn wrote:
>
> Corey has actually been a member of the SIG for quite some time. I knew him
> for many years and I am absolutely devastated by the news. I know we all
> are.
>
> A sad time, indeed, Steve. Thanks for letting us know.
>
> Michelle
>
> On Dec 12, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Steven Spohn wrote:
>
> Dear Sig,
>
> I am writing to you today with a very heavy heart. One of AbleGamers' best
> writers Corey "Dis" Krull passed away Friday, December 11, 2009.? Although
> he never joined the list, it was truly one of accessibility's greatest
> champions. He was someone who didn't care about the behind closed doors
> politics, numbers, stat counters, or recognition. He really want to help
> people play videogames after they thought they no longer could.
>
> If you have a moment, please stop by
> http://www.ablegamers.com/disabled-gamers-general-news/Rest-in-Peace-Dear-Co
> rey.html and leave a comment for his friends and family.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Steve Spohn
> Associate Editor
> www.AbleGamers.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>
> --
> Sheri Rubin
> CEO and Founder
>
> Design Direct Deliver
> Website: www.designdirectdeliver.com
> Email: sheri at designdirectdeliver.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>



-- 
Mark C. Barlet
Editor-in-Chief
AbleGamers.com


From mark at ablegamers.com  Sun Dec 13 18:40:38 2009
From: mark at ablegamers.com (Mark Barlet)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:40:38 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Message from Corey's Folks.
Message-ID: <191870b70912131540h27e1ebfdof5117a229c208bc6@mail.gmail.com>

Please pass this on to the gaming community that was such an important
part of Corey?s life:

As you know, we lost our beloved son, Corey Krull yesterday.  Our
hearts are broken and we can?t imagine life without him.  We wish to
thank Mark and Steve of AbleGamers.com for their friendship and belief
in Corey.  To all of Corey?s friends and associates in the gaming
world, thank you for your special words of condolence. Gaming was such
an important part of Corey?s life!  He felt AbleGamers gave him the
voice to help those who needed assistance to game.  Writing for
Ablegamers.com enriched his life as much as he hoped to help others.
 When Corey was playing a game, no one knew the physical challenges he
lived with.  He was competitive and we?d often hear him either
laughing or yelling at the game.  Please remember Corey in your
prayers, but know that he?s already earned his wings!

Greg and Edith Gustafson


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sun Dec 13 19:06:01 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:06:01 -0600
Subject: [games_access] we have lost a colleague
In-Reply-To: <191870b70912131532l6661299dhdf58a0e62bec45db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org>
	<2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu>
	<80b009f30912091726m4009470fx9171c585f7e6894d@mail.gmail.com>
	<65587B29-D640-4D32-9455-5EB5DA992EDE@uiuc.edu>
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Message-ID: <CD7F25AD-8CF5-4479-BC55-B29B0F01D0C9@uiuc.edu>

I believe we send it to joda at igda.org or do we send it to  
joshua at igda.org? Sheri?

I can add in what he has contributed in the past with the SIG as well.

Michelle

On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Mark Barlet wrote:

> Sheri, we will get right on that. What address do we send it to.
>
> Mark
>
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Sheri Rubin
> <sheri at designdirectdeliver.com> wrote:
>> May I suggest a brief write-up about Corey and all that he did for
>> accessibility and try and submit it for the January Newsletter  
>> (deadline is
>> December 20th I believe)?
>>
>> D. Michelle Hinn wrote:
>>
>> Corey has actually been a member of the SIG for quite some time. I  
>> knew him
>> for many years and I am absolutely devastated by the news. I know  
>> we all
>> are.
>>
>> A sad time, indeed, Steve. Thanks for letting us know.
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Steven Spohn wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sig,
>>
>> I am writing to you today with a very heavy heart. One of  
>> AbleGamers' best
>> writers Corey "Dis" Krull passed away Friday, December 11, 2009.   
>> Although
>> he never joined the list, it was truly one of accessibility's  
>> greatest
>> champions. He was someone who didn't care about the behind closed  
>> doors
>> politics, numbers, stat counters, or recognition. He really want  
>> to help
>> people play videogames after they thought they no longer could.
>>
>> If you have a moment, please stop by
>> http://www.ablegamers.com/disabled-gamers-general-news/Rest-in- 
>> Peace-Dear-Co
>> rey.html and leave a comment for his friends and family.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Steve Spohn
>> Associate Editor
>> www.AbleGamers.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sheri Rubin
>> CEO and Founder
>>
>> Design Direct Deliver
>> Website: www.designdirectdeliver.com
>> Email: sheri at designdirectdeliver.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Mark C. Barlet
> Editor-in-Chief
> AbleGamers.com
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sun Dec 13 19:20:19 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:20:19 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Spike TV's Video Game Awards: Stevie Wonder Statement
In-Reply-To: <CD7F25AD-8CF5-4479-BC55-B29B0F01D0C9@uiuc.edu>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org>
	<2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu>
	<80b009f30912091726m4009470fx9171c585f7e6894d@mail.gmail.com>
	<65587B29-D640-4D32-9455-5EB5DA992EDE@uiuc.edu>
	<003a01ca796b$b29d3830$17d7a890$@de>
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FYI: At last night's Spike TV Network's [US] Video Game Awards show,  
Stevie Wonder was one of the presenters for "Best Music Game" (which  
went to "The Beatles: Rock Band") and he made a plea to the industry  
to make games more accessible:

http://kotaku.com/5425475/stevie-wonders-plea-for-accessibility-in-games

Michelle






From hinn at uiuc.edu  Sun Dec 13 20:52:24 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:52:24 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Message from Corey's Folks.
In-Reply-To: <191870b70912131540h27e1ebfdof5117a229c208bc6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <191870b70912131540h27e1ebfdof5117a229c208bc6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E99FEA7D-2035-49CD-BA13-306CC9B5815C@uiuc.edu>

Thank you, Mark, for passing this along. This is indeed heartbreaking  
news and please pass along the IGDA's condolences to his family as  
well. I'm glad that he found great friendship at AbleGamers. He will  
be missed.

Michelle

On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Mark Barlet wrote:

> Please pass this on to the gaming community that was such an important
> part of Corey?s life:
>
> As you know, we lost our beloved son, Corey Krull yesterday.  Our
> hearts are broken and we can?t imagine life without him.  We wish to
> thank Mark and Steve of AbleGamers.com for their friendship and belief
> in Corey.  To all of Corey?s friends and associates in the gaming
> world, thank you for your special words of condolence. Gaming was such
> an important part of Corey?s life!  He felt AbleGamers gave him the
> voice to help those who needed assistance to game.  Writing for
> Ablegamers.com enriched his life as much as he hoped to help others.
>  When Corey was playing a game, no one knew the physical challenges he
> lived with.  He was competitive and we?d often hear him either
> laughing or yelling at the game.  Please remember Corey in your
> prayers, but know that he?s already earned his wings!
>
> Greg and Edith Gustafson
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From sandra_uhling at web.de  Mon Dec 14 06:00:01 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:00:01 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Stevie Wonder pleads for "disabled accessiblity"
Message-ID: <001901ca7cac$960687f0$c21397d0$@de>

Hi,

I got this via xing.


Tonight at Spike TV's Video Game Awards '09, Stevie Wonder was present to
award The Beatles: Rock Band with Best Music Game for the year and well
deserved too!

However, whilst the Motown Legend praised music titles for allowing a much
broader audience to get involved and enthused about music making, he also
pleaded that the Industry began to ensure that these games could be enjoyed
by people similar to himself - those with disabilities.

I have to say that such a topic has never really been addressed by the games
industry as far as I can remember. It is certainly plausible that the
industry can introduce a range of peripherals that could have capabilities
to allow everyone to play them - brail placed on the buttons is one example.

Anyway what do you think? Is this something the industry should be
addressing?


http://www.thelostgamer.com/2009/12/13/stevie-wonder-pleads-for-disabled-acc
essiblity/

Best regards,
Sandra



From thomas at pininteractive.com  Mon Dec 14 06:48:32 2009
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:48:32 +0100
Subject: [games_access] we have lost a colleague
In-Reply-To: <191870b70912122139k4c84deb5m2b6efead85de5aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.16.1260371862.37752.games_access@igda.org><2F696D2B-93F6-42E5-806A-E84594AEAE17@uiuc.edu><80b009f30912091726m4009470fx9171c585f7e6894d@mail.gmail.com><65587B29-D640-4D32-9455-5EB5DA992EDE@uiuc.edu><003a01ca796b$b29d3830$17d7a890$@de><1894035503-1260549575-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1066839702-@bda243.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><003501ca7a86$1dd67240$598356c0$@de><007b01ca7bb5$6457c090$2d0741b0$@com>
	<191870b70912122139k4c84deb5m2b6efead85de5aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92346B8B-5472-46FE-93E8-E502A042D4A3@pininteractive.com>

Hi

I didn't know Corey but I knew about some of his work; I'm sad to hear this.

Best regards
Thomas


On Dec 13, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Mark Barlet wrote:

> He was one of the best. He started D-gamer.com and before his host up
> and left him was doing his best to tell the world how important gaming
> was to the disabled community. He was a great friend, and when his
> family called me this eve I was speechless. God bless you Dis!
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Steven Spohn <steve at ablegamers.com> wrote:
>> Dear Sig,
>> 
>> I am writing to you today with a very heavy heart. One of AbleGamers' best
>> writers Corey "Dis" Krull passed away Friday, December 11, 2009.  Although
>> he never joined the list, it was truly one of accessibility's greatest
>> champions. He was someone who didn't care about the behind closed doors
>> politics, numbers, stat counters, or recognition. He really want to help
>> people play videogames after they thought they no longer could.
>> 
>> If you have a moment, please stop by
>> http://www.ablegamers.com/disabled-gamers-general-news/Rest-in-Peace-Dear-Co
>> rey.html and leave a comment for his friends and family.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Steve Spohn
>> Associate Editor
>> www.AbleGamers.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mark C. Barlet
> Editor-in-Chief
> AbleGamers.com
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From Joshua at igda.org  Mon Dec 14 07:15:47 2009
From: Joshua at igda.org (Joshua Caulfield)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:15:47 -0500
Subject: [games_access] we have lost a colleague
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Dear List,
 
It is always hard to lose a person who has made a strong contribution to a movement.  While I did not know Corey, from the information I have seen here and on AbleGamers.org, it seems he was quite a person.
 
We'd be happy to get something into the newsletter, in the announcements section.
 
Please send it directly to me: joshua at igda.org so that I can ensure it gets into the copy of the newsletter in a prominent position.
 
I am sorry for your loss.
Sincerely,
Joshua

________________________________

From: games_access-bounces at igda.org on behalf of D. Michelle Hinn
Sent: Sun 12/13/2009 7:06 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] we have lost a colleague



I believe we send it to joda at igda.org or do we send it to 
joshua at igda.org? Sheri?

I can add in what he has contributed in the past with the SIG as well.

Michelle

On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Mark Barlet wrote:

> Sheri, we will get right on that. What address do we send it to.
>
> Mark
>
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Sheri Rubin
> <sheri at designdirectdeliver.com> wrote:
>> May I suggest a brief write-up about Corey and all that he did for
>> accessibility and try and submit it for the January Newsletter 
>> (deadline is
>> December 20th I believe)?
>>
>> D. Michelle Hinn wrote:
>>
>> Corey has actually been a member of the SIG for quite some time. I 
>> knew him
>> for many years and I am absolutely devastated by the news. I know 
>> we all
>> are.
>>
>> A sad time, indeed, Steve. Thanks for letting us know.
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2009, at 11:30 PM, Steven Spohn wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sig,
>>
>> I am writing to you today with a very heavy heart. One of 
>> AbleGamers' best
>> writers Corey "Dis" Krull passed away Friday, December 11, 2009.  
>> Although
>> he never joined the list, it was truly one of accessibility's 
>> greatest
>> champions. He was someone who didn't care about the behind closed 
>> doors
>> politics, numbers, stat counters, or recognition. He really want 
>> to help
>> people play videogames after they thought they no longer could.
>>
>> If you have a moment, please stop by
>> http://www.ablegamers.com/disabled-gamers-general-news/Rest-in-
>> Peace-Dear-Co
>> rey.html and leave a comment for his friends and family.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Steve Spohn
>> Associate Editor
>> www.AbleGamers.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sheri Rubin
>> CEO and Founder
>>
>> Design Direct Deliver
>> Website: www.designdirectdeliver.com
>> Email: sheri at designdirectdeliver.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark C. Barlet
> Editor-in-Chief
> AbleGamers.com
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

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From Joshua at igda.org  Mon Dec 14 07:18:53 2009
From: Joshua at igda.org (Joshua Caulfield)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:18:53 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Message from Corey's Folks.
References: <191870b70912131540h27e1ebfdof5117a229c208bc6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7D4E2A3629B61948BB695BA5C4CBF0FA02C1056C@tmgmail.TALLEY.COM>

Dear Mark,
 
Would you like us to post this message to the IGDA website?
 
Regards,
Joshua Caulfield

________________________________

From: games_access-bounces at igda.org on behalf of Mark Barlet
Sent: Sun 12/13/2009 6:40 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: [games_access] Message from Corey's Folks.



Please pass this on to the gaming community that was such an important
part of Corey's life:

As you know, we lost our beloved son, Corey Krull yesterday.  Our
hearts are broken and we can't imagine life without him.  We wish to
thank Mark and Steve of AbleGamers.com for their friendship and belief
in Corey.  To all of Corey's friends and associates in the gaming
world, thank you for your special words of condolence. Gaming was such
an important part of Corey's life!  He felt AbleGamers gave him the
voice to help those who needed assistance to game.  Writing for
Ablegamers.com enriched his life as much as he hoped to help others.
 When Corey was playing a game, no one knew the physical challenges he
lived with.  He was competitive and we'd often hear him either
laughing or yelling at the game.  Please remember Corey in your
prayers, but know that he's already earned his wings!

Greg and Edith Gustafson
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From brian at gamefwd.org  Mon Dec 14 07:32:30 2009
From: brian at gamefwd.org (Brian J. Papineau)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:32:30 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Message from Corey's Folks.
In-Reply-To: <191870b70912131540h27e1ebfdof5117a229c208bc6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <191870b70912131540h27e1ebfdof5117a229c208bc6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cb8c8d30912140432w7ebe642bra3513ff9e8b1f655@mail.gmail.com>

Sad news indded, best wishes to the Gustafson family.

Brian

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Mark Barlet <mark at ablegamers.com> wrote:

> Please pass this on to the gaming community that was such an important
> part of Corey?s life:
>
> As you know, we lost our beloved son, Corey Krull yesterday.  Our
> hearts are broken and we can?t imagine life without him.  We wish to
> thank Mark and Steve of AbleGamers.com for their friendship and belief
> in Corey.  To all of Corey?s friends and associates in the gaming
> world, thank you for your special words of condolence. Gaming was such
> an important part of Corey?s life!  He felt AbleGamers gave him the
> voice to help those who needed assistance to game.  Writing for
> Ablegamers.com enriched his life as much as he hoped to help others.
>  When Corey was playing a game, no one knew the physical challenges he
> lived with.  He was competitive and we?d often hear him either
> laughing or yelling at the game.  Please remember Corey in your
> prayers, but know that he?s already earned his wings!
>
> Greg and Edith Gustafson
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
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From sandra_uhling at web.de  Mon Dec 14 09:31:44 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:31:44 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Looking for game examples without subtitle
Message-ID: <003901ca7cca$292a8190$7b7f84b0$@de>

Hi,

I have a little discussion about subtitles.
It would be nice to have a list with some mainstream games
Where the subtitles are missing.

He also does not understand why subtitle information on the cover are
important.

Best regards,
Sandra



From javier.mairena at gmail.com  Mon Dec 14 09:56:44 2009
From: javier.mairena at gmail.com (Javier)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:56:44 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Looking for game examples without subtitle
In-Reply-To: <003901ca7cca$292a8190$7b7f84b0$@de>
References: <003901ca7cca$292a8190$7b7f84b0$@de>
Message-ID: <b900ac550912140656u2ab05989t4ed0642fe4521a06@mail.gmail.com>

Yes,

Assassin Creed 1.
Don't have any any any subtitle. A big error. They say the didn't have time
to do that at the end.

2009/12/14 Sandra Uhling <sandra_uhling at web.de>

> Hi,
>
> I have a little discussion about subtitles.
> It would be nice to have a list with some mainstream games
> Where the subtitles are missing.
>
> He also does not understand why subtitle information on the cover are
> important.
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Mon Dec 14 21:14:31 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:14:31 -0600
Subject: [games_access] SIG Twitter Account
In-Reply-To: <003901ca7cca$292a8190$7b7f84b0$@de>
References: <003901ca7cca$292a8190$7b7f84b0$@de>
Message-ID: <E762A07A-7EB0-4955-B9B6-3AE05D361201@uiuc.edu>

Hi everyone,

I created a Twitter account like other IGDA SIGs to report on news  
and requests that we are looking for answers to and to allow  
developers (and anyone else) to follow our Tweets. :)

It is my hope that this can be a way to help gamers with disabilities  
find resources like AbleGamers, OneSwitch, Game Forward and other  
groups that are set up to help give voice to members of this community.

I also hope that this will serve as a way to help developers  
understand accessibility, help get our inquiries out to a larger  
audience. I also hope that this will be the first step to help  
support Game Developers with Disabilities by letting them know that  
we are here to support them as we develop DIG (developers with  
disabilities).

Our page is at http://twitter.com/IGDAGameAccess -- please "follow"  
the SIG if you are on Twitter. :) I will post "digest" summaries to  
the list of topics raised for those not on Twitter. In order to grow  
as a professional organization, we must use any and all ways to get  
out the game accessibility message and support the projects of all of  
our members, as well as our own.

Michelle




From tara.tefertiller at gmail.com  Mon Dec 14 22:26:21 2009
From: tara.tefertiller at gmail.com (tara.tefertiller at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:26:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [games_access] SIG Twitter Account
Message-ID: <4b2701dd.48c3f10a.31b2.ffff98de@mx.google.com>

Oh god! TwitteR!
-----Original Message-----
Date: Monday, December 14, 2009 8:14:39 pm
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
From: "D. Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
Subject: [games_access] SIG Twitter Account

Hi everyone,

I created a Twitter account like other IGDA SIGs to report on news  
and requests that we are looking for answers to and to allow  
developers (and anyone else) to follow our Tweets. :)

It is my hope that this can be a way to help gamers with disabilities  
find resources like AbleGamers, OneSwitch, Game Forward and other  
groups that are set up to help give voice to members of this community.

I also hope that this will serve as a way to help developers  
understand accessibility, help get our inquiries out to a larger  
audience. I also hope that this will be the first step to help  
support Game Developers with Disabilities by letting them know that  
we are here to support them as we develop DIG (developers with  
disabilities).

Our page is at http://twitter.com/IGDAGameAccess -- please "follow"  
the SIG if you are on Twitter. :) I will post "digest" summaries to  
the list of topics raised for those not on Twitter. In order to grow  
as a professional organization, we must use any and all ways to get  
out the game accessibility message and support the projects of all of  
our members, as well as our own.

Michelle


_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access




From richard at audiogames.net  Tue Dec 15 04:38:08 2009
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:38:08 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Stevie Wonder pleads for "disabled accessiblity"
References: <001901ca7cac$960687f0$c21397d0$@de>
Message-ID: <4B6B50EBAA7144238B7A980A714A9B7C@PC10815>

Hi,

Does anyone know a link to a video of the award ceremony featuring this moment? I can't find it anywhere and since I'm outside the 
US, the official site (http://www.spike.com/event/vga2009) doesn't allow me to view the shows highlights. Michelle, is it possible 
for you to make a recording from the Spike.com website?

Greets,

Ries


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:00 PM
Subject: [games_access] Stevie Wonder pleads for "disabled accessiblity"


Hi,

I got this via xing.


Tonight at Spike TV's Video Game Awards '09, Stevie Wonder was present to
award The Beatles: Rock Band with Best Music Game for the year and well
deserved too!

However, whilst the Motown Legend praised music titles for allowing a much
broader audience to get involved and enthused about music making, he also
pleaded that the Industry began to ensure that these games could be enjoyed
by people similar to himself - those with disabilities.

I have to say that such a topic has never really been addressed by the games
industry as far as I can remember. It is certainly plausible that the
industry can introduce a range of peripherals that could have capabilities
to allow everyone to play them - brail placed on the buttons is one example.

Anyway what do you think? Is this something the industry should be
addressing?


http://www.thelostgamer.com/2009/12/13/stevie-wonder-pleads-for-disabled-acc
essiblity/

Best regards,
Sandra

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From sheri at designdirectdeliver.com  Thu Dec 17 17:53:01 2009
From: sheri at designdirectdeliver.com (Sheri Rubin)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:53:01 -0800
Subject: [games_access] Gamers Petition for Colorblind Patch in MW2
	(Michelle mentions QA)
Message-ID: <4B2AB64D.7090903@designdirectdeliver.com>

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/15/news-Gamers-Petition-For-Colorblind-Patch-In-Modern-Warfare-2.aspx

"In the realm of accessibility and video games, colorblindness is 
considered one of the easier visual disabilities to compensate for. 
Considering the high percentage of males that are affected by some 
degree of color blindness, it may then seem odd that the condition is 
overlooked in game design as often as it is. But colorblind individuals 
are starting to make their voices heard, most recently in a petition to 
patch Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2."

Sheri

-- 
*Sheri Rubin*
CEO and Founder

*Design Direct Deliver*
Website: www.designdirectdeliver.com <http://www.designdirectdeliver.com>
Email: sheri at designdirectdeliver.com <mailto:sheri at designdirectdeliver.com>
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From steve at ablegamers.com  Thu Dec 17 19:12:02 2009
From: steve at ablegamers.com (Steven Spohn)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:12:02 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Gamers Petition for Colorblind Patch in
	MW2	(Michelle mentions QA)
In-Reply-To: <4B2AB64D.7090903@designdirectdeliver.com>
References: <4B2AB64D.7090903@designdirectdeliver.com>
Message-ID: <026c01ca7f76$bad5e950$3081bbf0$@com>

AbleGamers also ran this story from one of our writers.
http://www.ablegamers.com/game-news/infinity-ward-marginalize-another-group-
of-gamers.html - in fact, one of our members has been posting the link to
the petition for over a week. And although many of us have signed the
petition, as you can see from the comments and in the forums, most disabled
gamers feel that petitions are not the best use of time.  Developers are
very used to these petitions and are often completely ignored because of the
misuse this type of media has endured. Take for example, one of the
petitions we ran a story on was where 3000 people who were protesting Diablo
three adding rainbows... we spoke to the creators of Diablo three Blizzard
entertainment and they point-blank said that they were aware of this one and
that they ignore petitions.  

 

Having said that, modern warfare 2 is definitely ignoring multiple
accessibility factors and we will definitely be speaking to them.

 

Steve Spohn

Associate Editor

www.AbleGamers.com

 

 

From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Sheri Rubin
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:53 PM
To: games_access at igda.org; qa at igda.org
Subject: [games_access] Gamers Petition for Colorblind Patch in MW2
(Michelle mentions QA)

 

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/15/news-Gamers-Petition-For-C
olorblind-Patch-In-Modern-Warfare-2.aspx

"In the realm of accessibility and video games, colorblindness is considered
one of the easier visual disabilities to compensate for. Considering the
high percentage of males that are affected by some degree of color
blindness, it may then seem odd that the condition is overlooked in game
design as often as it is. But colorblind individuals are starting to make
their voices heard, most recently in a petition to patch Call of Duty:
Modern Warfare 2."

Sheri

-- 
Sheri Rubin
CEO and Founder

Design Direct Deliver
Website: www.designdirectdeliver.com
Email: sheri at designdirectdeliver.com

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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Dec 17 19:15:24 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:15:24 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Gamers Petition for Colorblind Patch in MW2
	(Michelle mentions QA)
In-Reply-To: <4B2AB64D.7090903@designdirectdeliver.com>
References: <4B2AB64D.7090903@designdirectdeliver.com>
Message-ID: <0C2A5E2A-6F32-49EA-94F3-84BC2494FF59@uiuc.edu>

Between this and the story about two weeks ago about the missing  
layout that Randy uses (and is his gamertag namesake setting!),  
Infinity Ward has a lot to answer to right about now. But...they've  
all been on vacation, which apparently excludes the poor community  
manager taking all the heat for IW but does include all of Activision!

Here's the link to the last story they ran on the game:

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/02/Pro-Gamer-Questions- 
Missing-N0M4D-Layout-In-Modern-Warfare-2.aspx

Do they have a PR staff? Just wondering...

Michelle

On Dec 17, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Sheri Rubin wrote:

> http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/15/news-Gamers- 
> Petition-For-Colorblind-Patch-In-Modern-Warfare-2.aspx
>
> "In the realm of accessibility and video games, colorblindness is  
> considered one of the easier visual disabilities to compensate for.  
> Considering the high percentage of males that are affected by some  
> degree of color blindness, it may then seem odd that the condition  
> is overlooked in game design as often as it is. But colorblind  
> individuals are starting to make their voices heard, most recently  
> in a petition to patch Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2."
>
> Sheri
>
> -- 
> Sheri Rubin
> CEO and Founder
>
> Design Direct Deliver
> Website: www.designdirectdeliver.com
> Email: sheri at designdirectdeliver.com
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

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From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Dec 17 19:24:08 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:24:08 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Gamers Petition for Colorblind Patch in
	MW2	(Michelle mentions QA)
In-Reply-To: <026c01ca7f76$bad5e950$3081bbf0$@com>
References: <4B2AB64D.7090903@designdirectdeliver.com>
	<026c01ca7f76$bad5e950$3081bbf0$@com>
Message-ID: <E5B9E852-9D20-4559-A2DA-C0A1B6B98B7D@uiuc.edu>

I think the fact that it's not so much the petition as the negative  
media that they are getting from multiple sources, including  
AbleGamers, that is going to make the difference. The IGDA's Advocacy  
team has also been trying to hunt them down. It's going to look worse  
and worse if they don't respond to any of the continued inquiries  
from all of these sources.

Michelle

On Dec 17, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Steven Spohn wrote:

> AbleGamers also ran this story from one of our writers.  http:// 
> www.ablegamers.com/game-news/infinity-ward-marginalize-another- 
> group-of-gamers.html - in fact, one of our members has been posting  
> the link to the petition for over a week. And although many of us  
> have signed the petition, as you can see from the comments and in  
> the forums, most disabled gamers feel that petitions are not the  
> best use of time.  Developers are very used to these petitions and  
> are often completely ignored because of the misuse this type of  
> media has endured. Take for example, one of the petitions we ran a  
> story on was where 3000 people who were protesting Diablo three  
> adding rainbows... we spoke to the creators of Diablo three  
> Blizzard entertainment and they point-blank said that they were  
> aware of this one and that they ignore petitions.
>
>
>
> Having said that, modern warfare 2 is definitely ignoring multiple  
> accessibility factors and we will definitely be speaking to them.
>
>
>
> Steve Spohn
>
> Associate Editor
>
> www.AbleGamers.com
>
>
>
>
>
> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access- 
> bounces at igda.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Rubin
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 5:53 PM
> To: games_access at igda.org; qa at igda.org
> Subject: [games_access] Gamers Petition for Colorblind Patch in MW2  
> (Michelle mentions QA)
>
>
>
> http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/12/15/news-Gamers- 
> Petition-For-Colorblind-Patch-In-Modern-Warfare-2.aspx
>
> "In the realm of accessibility and video games, colorblindness is  
> considered one of the easier visual disabilities to compensate for.  
> Considering the high percentage of males that are affected by some  
> degree of color blindness, it may then seem odd that the condition  
> is overlooked in game design as often as it is. But colorblind  
> individuals are starting to make their voices heard, most recently  
> in a petition to patch Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2."
>
> Sheri
>
> -- 
> Sheri Rubin
> CEO and Founder
>
> Design Direct Deliver
> Website: www.designdirectdeliver.com
> Email: sheri at designdirectdeliver.com
>
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From sandra_uhling at web.de  Fri Dec 18 09:39:03 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:39:03 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Petitition
Message-ID: <001c01ca7fef$d867e800$8937b800$@de>

Hi,

there is something I do not understand.

Instead of asking for a certain feature, why do they not ask for a general
solution?

E.g.:
Configurable control would help more people.
Information coding also with symbols, not only with colors.

Best regards,
Sandra



From claudio.zeni at bluewin.ch  Sun Dec 20 05:15:18 2009
From: claudio.zeni at bluewin.ch (Claudio Zeni)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:15:18 +0100
Subject: [games_access] An audiogame for free!
Message-ID: <57B059EDEF7B4D7C9EEA023B996D2C9B@Claudiopc>

Hi all!
What do you think about getting an audiogame for free?
For example, why not getting hounter absolute free?
Or mysteries of the anciens?
Yes, it's possible to get one of this games for free.
No no, I am not talking of kracking games!
I am talking about the "christmas gaming show!"
This show, presented on Blue World Radio, gives you the chance to win an
audiogame of your choice.
The only thing:
The game mustn't be expenciver than 40 dollars.
Ok?
So if you are interested, you have to listen on the 21. of december, at 20
pm universal time on Blue World Radio.
The site
www.blueworldradio.com
Is primarily in German, but you'll find a link on the page called "this page
in English."
There's the right place.
So I hope to see you then and I wish all of you the best for christmas and
2010!

Regards
Claudio



From brian at gamefwd.org  Mon Dec 21 09:01:31 2009
From: brian at gamefwd.org (Brian J. Papineau)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:01:31 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Breath Controller "SensaWaft" from Zyxio
Message-ID: <cb8c8d30912210601g7bb6b030p2430a14301b2fdfd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, this may be old, but I just came across it and thought the list might
find it interesting.

http://beamindblower.com/videos.htm

Happy Holidays!

Brian J. Papineau

Editor > Administrator
Game Forward
http://gamefwd.org
brian at gamefwd.org
http://twitter.com/gamefwd
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From steve at ablegamers.com  Mon Dec 21 19:10:14 2009
From: steve at ablegamers.com (Steven Spohn)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:10:14 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Warcraft III players needed for research and
	development of game accessibility
Message-ID: <039601ca829b$238745d0$6a95d170$@com>

Good morning Siggies,

 

AbleGamers posted a story today about Chris Quinn, a research student doing
his thesis on game accessibility. In addition, he also wants to become a
game accessibility consultant. Let's try to support him in his endeavor to
help our cause.  Please go check out his story and interview at
http://www.ablegamers.com/game-news/play-warcraft-iii-for-research-an-interv
iew-with-chris-quinn.html and pass on the information to anyone who might
play the game.

 

Thank you for your time,

 

Steve Spohn

Associate Editor

www.AbleGamers.com 

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From sandra_uhling at web.de  Tue Dec 22 06:50:33 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:50:33 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Microsoft Patent - "Avatar individualized by
	Physical Characteristic"
Message-ID: <003701ca82fc$f87a6220$e96f2660$@de>

Hello,

Short translation by me:

Microsoft Patent - "Avatar individualized by Physical Characteristic"

This is a new patent from Microsoft. People who have physical/healthy
problems are not allowed to play.
Biodata are collected and connected with the player avatar. They want to
motivate certain gamer groups
to do more real sport.

Data: e.g. weight, BMI, blood pressure, "breathing", heart rate,
Source of the data can be third party or health cards or sensors.


****************************************************************************
************************
Microsoft-Patent: Daddelverbot f?r ?bergewichtige Spieler?

Spiele-Avatare k?nnten k?nftig mit echten Gesundheitsdaten verbunden werden


Bluthochdruck, ?bergewicht oder sonstige gesundheitliche Probleme k?nnen
k?nftig dazu f?hren, 
dass die Betroffenen in Computerspielen nicht antreten d?rfen - so
jedenfalls Microsoft in einem 
Patentantrag. Der k?nnte unter anderem bei der Bewegungssteuerung "Project
Natal" eine Rolle spielen.

"Beispielsweise k?nnten in einem Spielewettbewerb nur bestimmte
Gesundheitslevel zur Teilnahme 
zugelassen werden", beschreiben die Anw?lte von Microsoft einen am 16.
Dezember 2009 beim 
US Patent & Trademark Office eingereichten Antrag mit dem 
Titel "Avatar individualized by Physical Characteristic". 

In dem Patent geht es unter anderem darum, die k?rperlichen Daten des
Spielers mit seinem Alter Ego 
in einer virtuellen Welt zu verbinden - und ausdr?cklich auch darum,
bestimmte Personengruppen 
etwa durch verk?rzte Spielzeit zum Echtweltsport zu bewegen.


Neben dem Gewicht und dem Body-Mass-Index f?hrt der Patentantrag unter
anderem auch Parameter wie 
den Blutdruck, die Herzschlagfrequenz, die Lungenfunktion und die St?rke
auf. Die Daten k?nnen 
aus Datensammlungen von Dritten oder von Gesundheitskarten stammen oder
durch Sensoren - 
die etwa den Blutdruck messen - ermittelt werden. Die Juristen weisen sogar
darauf hin, 
dass bei der Ermittlung des Gesundheitszustandes neuere Daten st?rker
gewichtet werden als ?ltere.

Was Microsoft mit dem Patent vorhat - falls es nicht nur zum Schutz vor
Klagen durch Dritte dienen soll -,
 ist unklar. Vorstellbar w?re, dass es Anwendung findet beim
Bewegungssteuerungssystem Project Natal, 
unter anderem k?nnte es die Silhouette des Spielers erfassen und in
virtuelle Welten ?bertragen. 
Das System erscheint voraussichtlich Mitte oder Ende 2010 f?r die Xbox 360.
(ps)

Source: http://www.golem.de/0912/72012.html
****************************************************************************
************************

Merry Christmas and a happy new year,
Sandra



From sandra_uhling at web.de  Tue Dec 22 18:17:23 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:17:23 +0100
Subject: [games_access] AudioGames and "Wii Controller"
Message-ID: <000801ca835c$eb9dfcf0$c2d9f6d0$@de>

Hi,

did someone try out to play an audiogame with a Wii Controller?
I am wondering if this is possible. I thought about:
TopSpeed like Mario Kart and SuperTennis like a tennis game.

Best regards and merry Christmas,
Sandra



From richard at audiogames.net  Wed Dec 23 03:44:02 2009
From: richard at audiogames.net (AudioGames.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:44:02 +0100
Subject: [games_access] AudioGames and "Wii Controller"
References: <000801ca835c$eb9dfcf0$c2d9f6d0$@de>
Message-ID: <420D62FC24B84AAEA8CE15359E83A36A@Delletje>

Hi,

Dark Room Sex Game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9tZ3zDkX1Y

Gr.

Richard



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:17 AM
Subject: [games_access] AudioGames and "Wii Controller"


> Hi,
> 
> did someone try out to play an audiogame with a Wii Controller?
> I am wondering if this is possible. I thought about:
> TopSpeed like Mario Kart and SuperTennis like a tennis game.
> 
> Best regards and merry Christmas,
> Sandra
> 
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access


From oneswitch at googlemail.com  Wed Dec 23 09:15:00 2009
From: oneswitch at googlemail.com (Barrie Ellis)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:15:00 -0000
Subject: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
Message-ID: <25501962A5554DA6B055B322619FD965@OneSwitchPC>

There's an excellent "Accessibility Buyer's Guide" over at Game Informer written by Annette Gonzalez: 

http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2009/12/21/accessibility-buyer-s-guide.aspx

There's some positive comments there alongside some fairly ignorant ones too. I do understand the complaints about the price of accessible controllers being much more than a standard controller - but I don't see any magic fix for that anytime soon.

Have a fantastic Christmas/Holiday season everyone, and I wish you all the best in 2010.

Cheers!

Barrie
www.OneSwitch.org.uk
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From mark at ablegamers.com  Wed Dec 23 09:50:30 2009
From: mark at ablegamers.com (Mark Barlet)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:50:30 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
In-Reply-To: <25501962A5554DA6B055B322619FD965@OneSwitchPC>
References: <25501962A5554DA6B055B322619FD965@OneSwitchPC>
Message-ID: <191870b70912230650t425f41ddm8cabe637632ecf56@mail.gmail.com>

Great story Annette! Glad to see this getting some quality air time!

I have a copy of the My Football Game, it is a perfect piece of work
for the special needs gamer!

Mark

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com> wrote:
> There's an excellent "Accessibility Buyer's Guide" over at Game Informer
> written by Annette Gonzalez:
>
> http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2009/12/21/accessibility-buyer-s-guide.aspx
>
> There's some positive comments there alongside some fairly ignorant ones
> too. I do understand the complaints about the price of accessible
> controllers being much more than a standard controller - but I don't see any
> magic fix for that anytime soon.
>
> Have a fantastic Christmas/Holiday season everyone, and I wish you all the
> best in 2010.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Barrie
> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
>



-- 
Mark C. Barlet
Editor-in-Chief
AbleGamers.com


From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Dec 24 00:12:55 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:12:55 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
In-Reply-To: <191870b70912230650t425f41ddm8cabe637632ecf56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <25501962A5554DA6B055B322619FD965@OneSwitchPC>
	<191870b70912230650t425f41ddm8cabe637632ecf56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E7C41BE4-9CA4-4C9D-A454-29D8AA18D875@uiuc.edu>

Forwarded to Annette as she just asked to be on this list to help put  
together next year's guide a little easier. :)

My football game is not just for cognitive disabilities but also  
mobility disabilities, as it slows down game speeds making it easier  
for some with very little mobility. Definitely a great game!

Happy Holidays everyone! :)
Michelle

On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Mark Barlet wrote:

> Great story Annette! Glad to see this getting some quality air time!
>
> I have a copy of the My Football Game, it is a perfect piece of work
> for the special needs gamer!
>
> Mark
>
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Barrie Ellis  
> <oneswitch at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> There's an excellent "Accessibility Buyer's Guide" over at Game  
>> Informer
>> written by Annette Gonzalez:
>>
>> http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2009/12/21/ 
>> accessibility-buyer-s-guide.aspx
>>
>> There's some positive comments there alongside some fairly  
>> ignorant ones
>> too. I do understand the complaints about the price of accessible
>> controllers being much more than a standard controller - but I  
>> don't see any
>> magic fix for that anytime soon.
>>
>> Have a fantastic Christmas/Holiday season everyone, and I wish you  
>> all the
>> best in 2010.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Barrie
>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Mark C. Barlet
> Editor-in-Chief
> AbleGamers.com
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From g at soundmindz.com  Thu Dec 24 16:09:02 2009
From: g at soundmindz.com (Greg Rahn)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:09:02 -0800
Subject: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
In-Reply-To: <E7C41BE4-9CA4-4C9D-A454-29D8AA18D875@uiuc.edu>
References: <25501962A5554DA6B055B322619FD965@OneSwitchPC>
	<191870b70912230650t425f41ddm8cabe637632ecf56@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C41BE4-9CA4-4C9D-A454-29D8AA18D875@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <1EBF3799-4303-487F-A160-99968D4E2A9E@soundmindz.com>

Thanks Rach! Merry Christmas and Happy NEw yr!

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:12 PM, "D. Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:

> Forwarded to Annette as she just asked to be on this list to help  
> put together next year's guide a little easier. :)
>
> My football game is not just for cognitive disabilities but also  
> mobility disabilities, as it slows down game speeds making it easier  
> for some with very little mobility. Definitely a great game!
>
> Happy Holidays everyone! :)
> Michelle
>
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Mark Barlet wrote:
>
>> Great story Annette! Glad to see this getting some quality air time!
>>
>> I have a copy of the My Football Game, it is a perfect piece of work
>> for the special needs gamer!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com 
>> > wrote:
>>> There's an excellent "Accessibility Buyer's Guide" over at Game  
>>> Informer
>>> written by Annette Gonzalez:
>>>
>>> http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2009/12/21/accessibility-buyer-s-guide.aspx
>>>
>>> There's some positive comments there alongside some fairly  
>>> ignorant ones
>>> too. I do understand the complaints about the price of accessible
>>> controllers being much more than a standard controller - but I  
>>> don't see any
>>> magic fix for that anytime soon.
>>>
>>> Have a fantastic Christmas/Holiday season everyone, and I wish you  
>>> all the
>>> best in 2010.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> Barrie
>>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Mark C. Barlet
>> Editor-in-Chief
>> AbleGamers.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>


From inrnette at aol.com  Thu Dec 24 23:42:57 2009
From: inrnette at aol.com (John Morgan)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:42:57 +0000
Subject: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
In-Reply-To: <1EBF3799-4303-487F-A160-99968D4E2A9E@soundmindz.com>
References: <25501962A5554DA6B055B322619FD965@OneSwitchPC><191870b70912230650t425f41ddm8cabe637632ecf56@mail.gmail.com><E7C41BE4-9CA4-4C9D-A454-29D8AA18D875@uiuc.edu><1EBF3799-4303-487F-A160-99968D4E2A9E@soundmindz.com>
Message-ID: <1617732019-1261712843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1268504964-@bda241.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

How can I obtain a copy of the football game to try with my students with cognitive and/or physical disabilities? Will this program work with a switch interface device like the Switch Hopper and switches?
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Rahn <g at soundmindz.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:09:02 
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
Cc: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide

Thanks Rach! Merry Christmas and Happy NEw yr!

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:12 PM, "D. Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:

> Forwarded to Annette as she just asked to be on this list to help  
> put together next year's guide a little easier. :)
>
> My football game is not just for cognitive disabilities but also  
> mobility disabilities, as it slows down game speeds making it easier  
> for some with very little mobility. Definitely a great game!
>
> Happy Holidays everyone! :)
> Michelle
>
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Mark Barlet wrote:
>
>> Great story Annette! Glad to see this getting some quality air time!
>>
>> I have a copy of the My Football Game, it is a perfect piece of work
>> for the special needs gamer!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com 
>> > wrote:
>>> There's an excellent "Accessibility Buyer's Guide" over at Game  
>>> Informer
>>> written by Annette Gonzalez:
>>>
>>> http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2009/12/21/accessibility-buyer-s-guide.aspx
>>>
>>> There's some positive comments there alongside some fairly  
>>> ignorant ones
>>> too. I do understand the complaints about the price of accessible
>>> controllers being much more than a standard controller - but I  
>>> don't see any
>>> magic fix for that anytime soon.
>>>
>>> Have a fantastic Christmas/Holiday season everyone, and I wish you  
>>> all the
>>> best in 2010.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> Barrie
>>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Mark C. Barlet
>> Editor-in-Chief
>> AbleGamers.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
_______________________________________________
games_access mailing list
games_access at igda.org
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From steve at ablegamers.com  Thu Dec 24 23:12:10 2009
From: steve at ablegamers.com (Steven Spohn)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:12:10 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
In-Reply-To: <1617732019-1261712843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1268504964-@bda241.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <25501962A5554DA6B055B322619FD965@OneSwitchPC><191870b70912230650t425f41ddm8cabe637632ecf56@mail.gmail.com><E7C41BE4-9CA4-4C9D-A454-29D8AA18D875@uiuc.edu><1EBF3799-4303-487F-A160-99968D4E2A9E@soundmindz.com>
	<1617732019-1261712843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1268504964-@bda241.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <008701ca8518$6ec5da50$4c518ef0$@com>

Hi Josh,

AbleGamers did a exclusive on the game which you can see here
http://www.ablegamers.com/game-news/my-football-game-and-they-said-it-could-
not-be-done.html - if you need more specifics email Mark Barlet.  He
personally worked with the creators.  

Steve Spohn

-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of John Morgan
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:43 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide

How can I obtain a copy of the football game to try with my students with
cognitive and/or physical disabilities? Will this program work with a switch
interface device like the Switch Hopper and switches?
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Rahn <g at soundmindz.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:09:02 
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
Cc: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide

Thanks Rach! Merry Christmas and Happy NEw yr!

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:12 PM, "D. Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:

> Forwarded to Annette as she just asked to be on this list to help  
> put together next year's guide a little easier. :)
>
> My football game is not just for cognitive disabilities but also  
> mobility disabilities, as it slows down game speeds making it easier  
> for some with very little mobility. Definitely a great game!
>
> Happy Holidays everyone! :)
> Michelle
>
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Mark Barlet wrote:
>
>> Great story Annette! Glad to see this getting some quality air time!
>>
>> I have a copy of the My Football Game, it is a perfect piece of work
>> for the special needs gamer!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com 
>> > wrote:
>>> There's an excellent "Accessibility Buyer's Guide" over at Game  
>>> Informer
>>> written by Annette Gonzalez:
>>>
>>>
http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2009/12/21/accessibility-buyer-s-
guide.aspx
>>>
>>> There's some positive comments there alongside some fairly  
>>> ignorant ones
>>> too. I do understand the complaints about the price of accessible
>>> controllers being much more than a standard controller - but I  
>>> don't see any
>>> magic fix for that anytime soon.
>>>
>>> Have a fantastic Christmas/Holiday season everyone, and I wish you  
>>> all the
>>> best in 2010.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> Barrie
>>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Mark C. Barlet
>> Editor-in-Chief
>> AbleGamers.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>
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From hinn at illinois.edu  Fri Dec 25 21:38:57 2009
From: hinn at illinois.edu (hinn at illinois.edu)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:38:57 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
In-Reply-To: <008701ca8518$6ec5da50$4c518ef0$@com>
References: <25501962A5554DA6B055B322619FD965@OneSwitchPC><191870b70912230650t425f41ddm8cabe637632ecf56@mail.gmail.com><E7C41BE4-9CA4-4C9D-A454-29D8AA18D875@uiuc.edu><1EBF3799-4303-487F-A160-99968D4E2A9E@soundmindz.com>
	<1617732019-1261712843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1268504964-@bda241.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<008701ca8518$6ec5da50$4c518ef0$@com>
Message-ID: <20091225203857.CDF54757@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

Also, Chuck -- the developer -- did extensive testing with a large variety of assistive technologies so chances are the things that you have will most likely work. Chuck sells the game on his website and I am sure he can tell you if he tried the different technologies you use or not! :)

Michelle

---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:12:10 -0500
>From: "Steven Spohn" <steve at ablegamers.com>  
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide  
>To: <inrnette at aol.com>, "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
>
>Hi Josh,
>
>AbleGamers did a exclusive on the game which you can see here
>http://www.ablegamers.com/game-news/my-football-game-and-they-said-it-could-
>not-be-done.html - if you need more specifics email Mark Barlet.  He
>personally worked with the creators.  
>
>Steve Spohn
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
>On Behalf Of John Morgan
>Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:43 PM
>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
>
>How can I obtain a copy of the football game to try with my students with
>cognitive and/or physical disabilities? Will this program work with a switch
>interface device like the Switch Hopper and switches?
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Greg Rahn <g at soundmindz.com>
>Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:09:02 
>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
>Cc: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
>
>Thanks Rach! Merry Christmas and Happy NEw yr!
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:12 PM, "D. Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>> Forwarded to Annette as she just asked to be on this list to help  
>> put together next year's guide a little easier. :)
>>
>> My football game is not just for cognitive disabilities but also  
>> mobility disabilities, as it slows down game speeds making it easier  
>> for some with very little mobility. Definitely a great game!
>>
>> Happy Holidays everyone! :)
>> Michelle
>>
>> On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Mark Barlet wrote:
>>
>>> Great story Annette! Glad to see this getting some quality air time!
>>>
>>> I have a copy of the My Football Game, it is a perfect piece of work
>>> for the special needs gamer!
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>>> There's an excellent "Accessibility Buyer's Guide" over at Game  
>>>> Informer
>>>> written by Annette Gonzalez:
>>>>
>>>>
>http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2009/12/21/accessibility-buyer-s-
>guide.aspx
>>>>
>>>> There's some positive comments there alongside some fairly  
>>>> ignorant ones
>>>> too. I do understand the complaints about the price of accessible
>>>> controllers being much more than a standard controller - but I  
>>>> don't see any
>>>> magic fix for that anytime soon.
>>>>
>>>> Have a fantastic Christmas/Holiday season everyone, and I wish you  
>>>> all the
>>>> best in 2010.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>>
>>>> Barrie
>>>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Mark C. Barlet
>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>> AbleGamers.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
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.......................................
these are mediocre times and people are 
losing hope. it's hard for many people 
to believe that there are extraordinary 
things inside themselves, as well as 
others. i hope you can keep an open 
mind.
 -- "unbreakable"
.......................................


From hinn at illinois.edu  Fri Dec 25 21:36:48 2009
From: hinn at illinois.edu (hinn at illinois.edu)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:36:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
In-Reply-To: <008701ca8518$6ec5da50$4c518ef0$@com>
References: <25501962A5554DA6B055B322619FD965@OneSwitchPC><191870b70912230650t425f41ddm8cabe637632ecf56@mail.gmail.com><E7C41BE4-9CA4-4C9D-A454-29D8AA18D875@uiuc.edu><1EBF3799-4303-487F-A160-99968D4E2A9E@soundmindz.com>
	<1617732019-1261712843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1268504964-@bda241.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<008701ca8518$6ec5da50$4c518ef0$@com>
Message-ID: <20091225203648.CDF54713@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>

I'm also working with the creator so I can get you more information as well.

Michelle

---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:12:10 -0500
>From: "Steven Spohn" <steve at ablegamers.com>  
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide  
>To: <inrnette at aol.com>, "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
>
>Hi Josh,
>
>AbleGamers did a exclusive on the game which you can see here
>http://www.ablegamers.com/game-news/my-football-game-and-they-said-it-could-
>not-be-done.html - if you need more specifics email Mark Barlet.  He
>personally worked with the creators.  
>
>Steve Spohn
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
>On Behalf Of John Morgan
>Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:43 PM
>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
>
>How can I obtain a copy of the football game to try with my students with
>cognitive and/or physical disabilities? Will this program work with a switch
>interface device like the Switch Hopper and switches?
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Greg Rahn <g at soundmindz.com>
>Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:09:02 
>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
>Cc: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
>
>Thanks Rach! Merry Christmas and Happy NEw yr!
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:12 PM, "D. Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>> Forwarded to Annette as she just asked to be on this list to help  
>> put together next year's guide a little easier. :)
>>
>> My football game is not just for cognitive disabilities but also  
>> mobility disabilities, as it slows down game speeds making it easier  
>> for some with very little mobility. Definitely a great game!
>>
>> Happy Holidays everyone! :)
>> Michelle
>>
>> On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Mark Barlet wrote:
>>
>>> Great story Annette! Glad to see this getting some quality air time!
>>>
>>> I have a copy of the My Football Game, it is a perfect piece of work
>>> for the special needs gamer!
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>>> There's an excellent "Accessibility Buyer's Guide" over at Game  
>>>> Informer
>>>> written by Annette Gonzalez:
>>>>
>>>>
>http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2009/12/21/accessibility-buyer-s-
>guide.aspx
>>>>
>>>> There's some positive comments there alongside some fairly  
>>>> ignorant ones
>>>> too. I do understand the complaints about the price of accessible
>>>> controllers being much more than a standard controller - but I  
>>>> don't see any
>>>> magic fix for that anytime soon.
>>>>
>>>> Have a fantastic Christmas/Holiday season everyone, and I wish you  
>>>> all the
>>>> best in 2010.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>>
>>>> Barrie
>>>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Mark C. Barlet
>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>> AbleGamers.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
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.......................................
these are mediocre times and people are 
losing hope. it's hard for many people 
to believe that there are extraordinary 
things inside themselves, as well as 
others. i hope you can keep an open 
mind.
 -- "unbreakable"
.......................................


From mark at ablegamers.com  Fri Dec 25 23:06:14 2009
From: mark at ablegamers.com (Mark Barlet)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:06:14 -0500
Subject: [games_access] I know it is late, but Happy Holidays from AbleGamers
Message-ID: <191870b70912252006i52802fb7s240bd2313d72ead0@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

 I know it is late in the day. Be you a subscriber to Christmas,
Hanukkah, Yule, Bodhi Day, Diwali and Ramadan that ended a few months
ago, or Christmas again for my Eastern European friends, or any other
winter (or summer for the southern earth folks) holidays the folks
over at AbleGamers would like to with you all a safe and wonderful
holiday seasons, and a great and safe New Year.

Mark Barlet


From steve at ablegamers.com  Fri Dec 25 23:40:34 2009
From: steve at ablegamers.com (Steven Spohn)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:40:34 -0500
Subject: [games_access] I know it is late,
	but Happy Holidays from AbleGamers
In-Reply-To: <191870b70912252006i52802fb7s240bd2313d72ead0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <191870b70912252006i52802fb7s240bd2313d72ead0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca85e5$90a4e0d0$b1eea270$@com>

Merry Christmas!  I hope you all got every game you wanted.

-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Mark Barlet
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 11:06 PM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: [games_access] I know it is late, but Happy Holidays from
AbleGamers

Hello all,

 I know it is late in the day. Be you a subscriber to Christmas,
Hanukkah, Yule, Bodhi Day, Diwali and Ramadan that ended a few months
ago, or Christmas again for my Eastern European friends, or any other
winter (or summer for the southern earth folks) holidays the folks
over at AbleGamers would like to with you all a safe and wonderful
holiday seasons, and a great and safe New Year.

Mark Barlet
_______________________________________________
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games_access at igda.org
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From inrnette at aol.com  Sat Dec 26 01:27:15 2009
From: inrnette at aol.com (John Morgan)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 06:27:15 +0000
Subject: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
In-Reply-To: <20091225203857.CDF54757@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>
References: <25501962A5554DA6B055B322619FD965@OneSwitchPC><191870b70912230650t425f41ddm8cabe637632ecf56@mail.gmail.com><E7C41BE4-9CA4-4C9D-A454-29D8AA18D875@uiuc.edu><1EBF3799-4303-487F-A160-99968D4E2A9E@soundmindz.com><1617732019-1261712843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1268504964-@bda241.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><008701ca8518$6ec5da50$4c518ef0$@com><20091225203857.CDF54757@expms2.cites.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <1854934443-1261805502-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1570342603-@bda241.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Thanks Michelle!! Always looking for something to grab my students!
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: <hinn at illinois.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:38:57 
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide

Also, Chuck -- the developer -- did extensive testing with a large variety of assistive technologies so chances are the things that you have will most likely work. Chuck sells the game on his website and I am sure he can tell you if he tried the different technologies you use or not! :)

Michelle

---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:12:10 -0500
>From: "Steven Spohn" <steve at ablegamers.com>  
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide  
>To: <inrnette at aol.com>, "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
>
>Hi Josh,
>
>AbleGamers did a exclusive on the game which you can see here
>http://www.ablegamers.com/game-news/my-football-game-and-they-said-it-could-
>not-be-done.html - if you need more specifics email Mark Barlet.  He
>personally worked with the creators.  
>
>Steve Spohn
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
>On Behalf Of John Morgan
>Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:43 PM
>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
>
>How can I obtain a copy of the football game to try with my students with
>cognitive and/or physical disabilities? Will this program work with a switch
>interface device like the Switch Hopper and switches?
>Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Greg Rahn <g at soundmindz.com>
>Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:09:02 
>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
>Cc: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
>Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
>
>Thanks Rach! Merry Christmas and Happy NEw yr!
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:12 PM, "D. Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>> Forwarded to Annette as she just asked to be on this list to help  
>> put together next year's guide a little easier. :)
>>
>> My football game is not just for cognitive disabilities but also  
>> mobility disabilities, as it slows down game speeds making it easier  
>> for some with very little mobility. Definitely a great game!
>>
>> Happy Holidays everyone! :)
>> Michelle
>>
>> On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Mark Barlet wrote:
>>
>>> Great story Annette! Glad to see this getting some quality air time!
>>>
>>> I have a copy of the My Football Game, it is a perfect piece of work
>>> for the special needs gamer!
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>>> There's an excellent "Accessibility Buyer's Guide" over at Game  
>>>> Informer
>>>> written by Annette Gonzalez:
>>>>
>>>>
>http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2009/12/21/accessibility-buyer-s-
>guide.aspx
>>>>
>>>> There's some positive comments there alongside some fairly  
>>>> ignorant ones
>>>> too. I do understand the complaints about the price of accessible
>>>> controllers being much more than a standard controller - but I  
>>>> don't see any
>>>> magic fix for that anytime soon.
>>>>
>>>> Have a fantastic Christmas/Holiday season everyone, and I wish you  
>>>> all the
>>>> best in 2010.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>>
>>>> Barrie
>>>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Mark C. Barlet
>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>> AbleGamers.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
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.......................................
these are mediocre times and people are 
losing hope. it's hard for many people 
to believe that there are extraordinary 
things inside themselves, as well as 
others. i hope you can keep an open 
mind.
 -- "unbreakable"
.......................................
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From mark at ablegamers.com  Sat Dec 26 00:41:32 2009
From: mark at ablegamers.com (Mark Barlet)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:41:32 -0500
Subject: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
In-Reply-To: <1617732019-1261712843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1268504964-@bda241.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <25501962A5554DA6B055B322619FD965@OneSwitchPC>
	<191870b70912230650t425f41ddm8cabe637632ecf56@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C41BE4-9CA4-4C9D-A454-29D8AA18D875@uiuc.edu>
	<1EBF3799-4303-487F-A160-99968D4E2A9E@soundmindz.com>
	<1617732019-1261712843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1268504964-@bda241.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <191870b70912252141r18b54c1bifae43c2f5f8edc3@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry John I am behind in my email, Most of level one is one switch
games. level 2 and 3 need a little more than a single button but given
that you can slow the game down to like 20 or 25% speed the
flexibility is great.

If you want to send me an email off list I can boot the game up and
send you screenshots of the options and if you give me a scenario or
use case I can see what I can do with it. All in all it is a great
game and well worth the $50 to have on hand.

My email is mark at ablegamers.com

As I said, it is right here on my laptop so I can test out if you just
tell me what the output of the devices are... what the PC will see and
I can see what I can do.

Mark Barlet
AbleGamers



On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:42 PM, John Morgan <inrnette at aol.com> wrote:
> How can I obtain a copy of the football game to try with my students with cognitive and/or physical disabilities? Will this program work with a switch interface device like the Switch Hopper and switches?
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Rahn <g at soundmindz.com>
> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:09:02
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
> Cc: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
>
> Thanks Rach! Merry Christmas and Happy NEw yr!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:12 PM, "D. Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>> Forwarded to Annette as she just asked to be on this list to help
>> put together next year's guide a little easier. :)
>>
>> My football game is not just for cognitive disabilities but also
>> mobility disabilities, as it slows down game speeds making it easier
>> for some with very little mobility. Definitely a great game!
>>
>> Happy Holidays everyone! :)
>> Michelle
>>
>> On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Mark Barlet wrote:
>>
>>> Great story Annette! Glad to see this getting some quality air time!
>>>
>>> I have a copy of the My Football Game, it is a perfect piece of work
>>> for the special needs gamer!
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>> There's an excellent "Accessibility Buyer's Guide" over at Game
>>>> Informer
>>>> written by Annette Gonzalez:
>>>>
>>>> http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2009/12/21/accessibility-buyer-s-guide.aspx
>>>>
>>>> There's some positive comments there alongside some fairly
>>>> ignorant ones
>>>> too. I do understand the complaints about the price of accessible
>>>> controllers being much more than a standard controller - but I
>>>> don't see any
>>>> magic fix for that anytime soon.
>>>>
>>>> Have a fantastic Christmas/Holiday season everyone, and I wish you
>>>> all the
>>>> best in 2010.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>>
>>>> Barrie
>>>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark C. Barlet
>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>> AbleGamers.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> games_access mailing list
>>> games_access at igda.org
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> games_access mailing list
>> games_access at igda.org
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
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>



-- 
Mark C. Barlet
Editor-in-Chief
AbleGamers.com


From sandra_uhling at web.de  Sat Dec 26 05:58:38 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:58:38 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Christmas, Wii, touch generation
In-Reply-To: <191870b70912252141r18b54c1bifae43c2f5f8edc3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <25501962A5554DA6B055B322619FD965@OneSwitchPC>	<191870b70912230650t425f41ddm8cabe637632ecf56@mail.gmail.com>	<E7C41BE4-9CA4-4C9D-A454-29D8AA18D875@uiuc.edu>	<1EBF3799-4303-487F-A160-99968D4E2A9E@soundmindz.com>	<1617732019-1261712843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1268504964-@bda241.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<191870b70912252141r18b54c1bifae43c2f5f8edc3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301ca861a$61400e20$23c02a60$@de>

Hi all, merry Christmas,

I got a Wii and now I can see how my parents play games.

The Game "Big Brain Academy" is still too difficult for them.
The Animation are too fast. Here I would love an option to adapt the game
speed.

This is my personal point of view:
The "touch generation" by Nintendo is still too difficult for people
who never use a PC or some kind of technology. The control is still complex
you cannot reduce it. The introduction could be better. Sometimes there is
only text.
For Motion Plus there is a video to explain it, but there are no subtitles.

What is "touch generation", when it is still too complex and difficult?
Also the buttons on the Wii console are too small.
Is it just marketing?

*************
I will try Tony Hawks RIDE next week :-)
When I talk with people about the game, they usually mention the "rubber
band" function.
For them it is a usability function and it is normal that this function is
there :-)

Best regards,
Sandra


> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von Mark Barlet
> Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Dezember 2009 06:42
> An: inrnette at aol.com; IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Betreff: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
> 
> Sorry John I am behind in my email, Most of level one is one switch
> games. level 2 and 3 need a little more than a single button but given
> that you can slow the game down to like 20 or 25% speed the flexibility
> is great.
> 
> If you want to send me an email off list I can boot the game up and
> send you screenshots of the options and if you give me a scenario or
> use case I can see what I can do with it. All in all it is a great game
> and well worth the $50 to have on hand.
> 
> My email is mark at ablegamers.com
> 
> As I said, it is right here on my laptop so I can test out if you just
> tell me what the output of the devices are... what the PC will see and
> I can see what I can do.
> 
> Mark Barlet
> AbleGamers
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:42 PM, John Morgan <inrnette at aol.com> wrote:
> > How can I obtain a copy of the football game to try with my students
> with cognitive and/or physical disabilities? Will this program work
> with a switch interface device like the Switch Hopper and switches?
> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Rahn <g at soundmindz.com>
> > Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:09:02
> > To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
> > Cc: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
> > Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's
> > Guide
> >
> > Thanks Rach! Merry Christmas and Happy NEw yr!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:12 PM, "D. Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Forwarded to Annette as she just asked to be on this list to help
> put
> >> together next year's guide a little easier. :)
> >>
> >> My football game is not just for cognitive disabilities but also
> >> mobility disabilities, as it slows down game speeds making it easier
> >> for some with very little mobility. Definitely a great game!
> >>
> >> Happy Holidays everyone! :)
> >> Michelle
> >>
> >> On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Mark Barlet wrote:
> >>
> >>> Great story Annette! Glad to see this getting some quality air
> time!
> >>>
> >>> I have a copy of the My Football Game, it is a perfect piece of
> work
> >>> for the special needs gamer!
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Barrie Ellis
> >>> <oneswitch at googlemail.com
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>> There's an excellent "Accessibility Buyer's Guide" over at Game
> >>>> Informer written by Annette Gonzalez:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2009/12/21/accessibility
> >>>> -buyer-s-guide.aspx
> >>>>
> >>>> There's some positive comments there alongside some fairly
> ignorant
> >>>> ones too. I do understand the complaints about the price of
> >>>> accessible controllers being much more than a standard controller
> -
> >>>> but I don't see any magic fix for that anytime soon.
> >>>>
> >>>> Have a fantastic Christmas/Holiday season everyone, and I wish you
> >>>> all the best in 2010.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers!
> >>>>
> >>>> Barrie
> >>>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> games_access mailing list
> >>>> games_access at igda.org
> >>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Mark C. Barlet
> >>> Editor-in-Chief
> >>> AbleGamers.com
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> games_access mailing list
> >>> games_access at igda.org
> >>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> games_access mailing list
> >> games_access at igda.org
> >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > games_access mailing list
> > games_access at igda.org
> > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> > _______________________________________________
> > games_access mailing list
> > games_access at igda.org
> > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --
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> Editor-in-Chief
> AbleGamers.com
> _______________________________________________
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From sherylflynn at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 26 14:09:13 2009
From: sherylflynn at yahoo.com (sheryl Flynn)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:09:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [games_access] Christmas, Wii, touch generation
In-Reply-To: <000301ca861a$61400e20$23c02a60$@de>
References: <25501962A5554DA6B055B322619FD965@OneSwitchPC>
	<191870b70912230650t425f41ddm8cabe637632ecf56@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C41BE4-9CA4-4C9D-A454-29D8AA18D875@uiuc.edu>
	<1EBF3799-4303-487F-A160-99968D4E2A9E@soundmindz.com>
	<1617732019-1261712843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1268504964-@bda241.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<191870b70912252141r18b54c1bifae43c2f5f8edc3@mail.gmail.com>
	<000301ca861a$61400e20$23c02a60$@de>
Message-ID: <563359.19206.qm@web38408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Sandra,
Thanks for that information about the Wii and Brain Academy!
Great feedback!

We are working on improving the interface to meet the needs of different populations!

kind regards and Merry Christmas!

 ~Sheryl Flynn PT, PhD




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From: Sandra Uhling <sandra_uhling at web.de>
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Sat, December 26, 2009 2:58:38 AM
Subject: [games_access] Christmas, Wii, touch generation

Hi all, merry Christmas,

I got a Wii and now I can see how my parents play games.

The Game "Big Brain Academy" is still too difficult for them.
The Animation are too fast. Here I would love an option to adapt the game
speed.

This is my personal point of view:
The "touch generation" by Nintendo is still too difficult for people
who never use a PC or some kind of technology. The control is still complex
you cannot reduce it. The introduction could be better. Sometimes there is
only text.
For Motion Plus there is a video to explain it, but there are no subtitles.

What is "touch generation", when it is still too complex and difficult?
Also the buttons on the Wii console are too small.
Is it just marketing?

*************
I will try Tony Hawks RIDE next week :-)
When I talk with people about the game, they usually mention the "rubber
band" function.
For them it is a usability function and it is normal that this function is
there :-)

Best regards,
Sandra


> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von Mark Barlet
> Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Dezember 2009 06:42
> An: inrnette at aol.com; IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Betreff: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
> 
> Sorry John I am behind in my email, Most of level one is one switch
> games. level 2 and 3 need a little more than a single button but given
> that you can slow the game down to like 20 or 25% speed the flexibility
> is great.
> 
> If you want to send me an email off list I can boot the game up and
> send you screenshots of the options and if you give me a scenario or
> use case I can see what I can do with it. All in all it is a great game
> and well worth the $50 to have on hand.
> 
> My email is mark at ablegamers.com
> 
> As I said, it is right here on my laptop so I can test out if you just
> tell me what the output of the devices are... what the PC will see and
> I can see what I can do.
> 
> Mark Barlet
> AbleGamers
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:42 PM, John Morgan <inrnette at aol.com> wrote:
> > How can I obtain a copy of the football game to try with my students
> with cognitive and/or physical disabilities? Will this program work
> with a switch interface device like the Switch Hopper and switches?
> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Rahn <g at soundmindz.com>
> > Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:09:02
> > To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
> > Cc: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
> > Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's
> > Guide
> >
> > Thanks Rach! Merry Christmas and Happy NEw yr!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:12 PM, "D. Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Forwarded to Annette as she just asked to be on this list to help
> put
> >> together next year's guide a little easier. :)
> >>
> >> My football game is not just for cognitive disabilities but also
> >> mobility disabilities, as it slows down game speeds making it easier
> >> for some with very little mobility. Definitely a great game!
> >>
> >> Happy Holidays everyone! :)
> >> Michelle
> >>
> >> On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Mark Barlet wrote:
> >>
> >>> Great story Annette! Glad to see this getting some quality air
> time!
> >>>
> >>> I have a copy of the My Football Game, it is a perfect piece of
> work
> >>> for the special needs gamer!
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Barrie Ellis
> >>> <oneswitch at googlemail.com
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>> There's an excellent "Accessibility Buyer's Guide" over at Game
> >>>> Informer written by Annette Gonzalez:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2009/12/21/accessibility
> >>>> -buyer-s-guide.aspx
> >>>>
> >>>> There's some positive comments there alongside some fairly
> ignorant
> >>>> ones too. I do understand the complaints about the price of
> >>>> accessible controllers being much more than a standard controller
> -
> >>>> but I don't see any magic fix for that anytime soon.
> >>>>
> >>>> Have a fantastic Christmas/Holiday season everyone, and I wish you
> >>>> all the best in 2010.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers!
> >>>>
> >>>> Barrie
> >>>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> games_access mailing list
> >>>> games_access at igda.org
> >>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Mark C. Barlet
> >>> Editor-in-Chief
> >>> AbleGamers.com
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> games_access mailing list
> >>> games_access at igda.org
> >>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> games_access mailing list
> >> games_access at igda.org
> >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > games_access mailing list
> > games_access at igda.org
> > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> > _______________________________________________
> > games_access mailing list
> > games_access at igda.org
> > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Mark C. Barlet
> Editor-in-Chief
> AbleGamers.com
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From sandra_uhling at web.de  Sat Dec 26 15:39:36 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:39:36 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Christmas, Wii, touch generation
Message-ID: <1070455004@web.de>

Hi Sheryl,

> We are working on improving the interface to meet the needs of different populations!

Do you need more feedback?
What kind of game will it be?

One problem I do not like is that the menu of the wii is not accessible by blind.
Also when there would be audiogames, the wii menu is a problem.

Best regards,
Sandra
___________________________________________________________
Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f?r nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! 
http://produkte.web.de/go/02/



From claudio.zeni at bluewin.ch  Sat Dec 26 16:13:04 2009
From: claudio.zeni at bluewin.ch (Claudio Zeni)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:13:04 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Christmas, Wii, touch generation
In-Reply-To: <000301ca861a$61400e20$23c02a60$@de>
References: <25501962A5554DA6B055B322619FD965@OneSwitchPC>	<191870b70912230650t425f41ddm8cabe637632ecf56@mail.gmail.com>	<E7C41BE4-9CA4-4C9D-A454-29D8AA18D875@uiuc.edu>	<1EBF3799-4303-487F-A160-99968D4E2A9E@soundmindz.com>	<1617732019-1261712843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1268504964-@bda241.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><191870b70912252141r18b54c1bifae43c2f5f8edc3@mail.gmail.com>
	<000301ca861a$61400e20$23c02a60$@de>
Message-ID: <BCC54250F634442DA11C1FF1D75C3F07@Claudiopc>

Hi Sandra!

Ah, are you also a lucky one who has received a wii?
I have it too and I am very happy!

Tennis on wii sports is very accessible.
If you hit the ball, the other player will play it back.
And if you hear when the ball touches the earth, you know that you have to
hit back.

Also bowling is very good!

I've heard that wii wants to make some games with a voice menu.
Is that right?

Regards
Claudio



From sandra_uhling at web.de  Sat Dec 26 17:29:00 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:29:00 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Christmas, Wii, touch generation
Message-ID: <1070500377@web.de>

Hi Claudio,

wow that sounds great.

There are programs for PC to support the Wii Remote.
It would be nice to know, if you can play SuperTennis with this.


Do you use the keyboard?
Maybe audio interface and keyboard would be great?

Best regards,
Sandra
___________________________________________________________
Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f?r nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! 
http://produkte.web.de/go/02/



From claudio.zeni at bluewin.ch  Sat Dec 26 17:58:04 2009
From: claudio.zeni at bluewin.ch (Claudio Zeni)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:58:04 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Christmas, Wii, touch generation
In-Reply-To: <1070500377@web.de>
References: <1070500377@web.de>
Message-ID: <DED6EE6869124218A0CD877450B778C6@Claudiopc>

Hi Sandra!

Keyboard?
With the wii console you havn't a keyboard.

I have one accessible problem:
In the menus, you have sometimes a hand that you must guide to the point you
want to have it.
As I can't see the hand, I couldn't do that.
 the other menus, I can easily memorice.

The problem with the hand on the screen is, that you have to moove the hand
with the  keypad - not only with the arrows.
So it's impossible for me.

Regards
Claudio



From sandra_uhling at web.de  Sat Dec 26 18:21:32 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:21:32 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Christmas, Wii, touch generation
In-Reply-To: <DED6EE6869124218A0CD877450B778C6@Claudiopc>
References: <1070500377@web.de> <DED6EE6869124218A0CD877450B778C6@Claudiopc>
Message-ID: <000601ca8682$2973dd10$7c5b9730$@de>

Hi Claudio,

there are some keyboards at amazon.de for the wii.

What do you mean with keypad?
The left analog stick?

Would be great to have an audio interface, keyboard
And tabbing through the menu, and maybe automatic scanning for one button.

*dreaming*

Best regards,
Sandra

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von Claudio Zeni
> Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Dezember 2009 23:58
> An: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'
> Betreff: Re: [games_access] Christmas, Wii, touch generation
> 
> Hi Sandra!
> 
> Keyboard?
> With the wii console you havn't a keyboard.
> 
> I have one accessible problem:
> In the menus, you have sometimes a hand that you must guide to the
> point you want to have it.
> As I can't see the hand, I couldn't do that.
>  the other menus, I can easily memorice.
> 
> The problem with the hand on the screen is, that you have to moove the
> hand with the  keypad - not only with the arrows.
> So it's impossible for me.
> 
> Regards
> Claudio
> 
> _______________________________________________
> games_access mailing list
> games_access at igda.org
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access



From claudio.zeni at bluewin.ch  Sat Dec 26 18:32:27 2009
From: claudio.zeni at bluewin.ch (Claudio Zeni)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:32:27 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Christmas, Wii, touch generation
In-Reply-To: <000601ca8682$2973dd10$7c5b9730$@de>
References: <1070500377@web.de> <DED6EE6869124218A0CD877450B778C6@Claudiopc>
	<000601ca8682$2973dd10$7c5b9730$@de>
Message-ID: <91B64B0B85D54C44B43995FDD14FC78C@Claudiopc>

Hi sandra!

I mean the stick with no cables.

The stick you need to play tennis for example.

These keyboards are interesting, I'll take a look at them.

Best regards
Claudio



From thomas at pininteractive.com  Sat Dec 26 18:35:45 2009
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (Thomas Westin)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:35:45 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Christmas, Wii, touch generation
In-Reply-To: <000301ca861a$61400e20$23c02a60$@de>
References: <25501962A5554DA6B055B322619FD965@OneSwitchPC>
	<191870b70912230650t425f41ddm8cabe637632ecf56@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7C41BE4-9CA4-4C9D-A454-29D8AA18D875@uiuc.edu>
	<1EBF3799-4303-487F-A160-99968D4E2A9E@soundmindz.com>
	<1617732019-1261712843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1268504964-@bda241.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><191870b70912252141r18b54c1bifae43c2f5f8edc3@mail.gmail.com>
	<000301ca861a$61400e20$23c02a60$@de>
Message-ID: <10849E84-7168-4109-8317-2D1C76F276C7@pininteractive.com>

my kids (4 and 6 years) can play Wii sports games and Mario Kart, 
but they can't start the game as the menus are too complex

/Thomas

On 26Dec 2009, at 11:58 AM, Sandra Uhling wrote:

> Hi all, merry Christmas,
> 
> I got a Wii and now I can see how my parents play games.
> 
> The Game "Big Brain Academy" is still too difficult for them.
> The Animation are too fast. Here I would love an option to adapt the game
> speed.
> 
> This is my personal point of view:
> The "touch generation" by Nintendo is still too difficult for people
> who never use a PC or some kind of technology. The control is still complex
> you cannot reduce it. The introduction could be better. Sometimes there is
> only text.
> For Motion Plus there is a video to explain it, but there are no subtitles.
> 
> What is "touch generation", when it is still too complex and difficult?
> Also the buttons on the Wii console are too small.
> Is it just marketing?
> 
> *************
> I will try Tony Hawks RIDE next week :-)
> When I talk with people about the game, they usually mention the "rubber
> band" function.
> For them it is a usability function and it is normal that this function is
> there :-)
> 
> Best regards,
> Sandra
> 
> 
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
>> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von Mark Barlet
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Dezember 2009 06:42
>> An: inrnette at aol.com; IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>> Betreff: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's Guide
>> 
>> Sorry John I am behind in my email, Most of level one is one switch
>> games. level 2 and 3 need a little more than a single button but given
>> that you can slow the game down to like 20 or 25% speed the flexibility
>> is great.
>> 
>> If you want to send me an email off list I can boot the game up and
>> send you screenshots of the options and if you give me a scenario or
>> use case I can see what I can do with it. All in all it is a great game
>> and well worth the $50 to have on hand.
>> 
>> My email is mark at ablegamers.com
>> 
>> As I said, it is right here on my laptop so I can test out if you just
>> tell me what the output of the devices are... what the PC will see and
>> I can see what I can do.
>> 
>> Mark Barlet
>> AbleGamers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:42 PM, John Morgan <inrnette at aol.com> wrote:
>>> How can I obtain a copy of the football game to try with my students
>> with cognitive and/or physical disabilities? Will this program work
>> with a switch interface device like the Switch Hopper and switches?
>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Greg Rahn <g at soundmindz.com>
>>> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:09:02
>>> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
>>> Cc: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List<games_access at igda.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Informer - Accessibility Buyer's
>>> Guide
>>> 
>>> Thanks Rach! Merry Christmas and Happy NEw yr!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:12 PM, "D. Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Forwarded to Annette as she just asked to be on this list to help
>> put
>>>> together next year's guide a little easier. :)
>>>> 
>>>> My football game is not just for cognitive disabilities but also
>>>> mobility disabilities, as it slows down game speeds making it easier
>>>> for some with very little mobility. Definitely a great game!
>>>> 
>>>> Happy Holidays everyone! :)
>>>> Michelle
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Mark Barlet wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Great story Annette! Glad to see this getting some quality air
>> time!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a copy of the My Football Game, it is a perfect piece of
>> work
>>>>> for the special needs gamer!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Barrie Ellis
>>>>> <oneswitch at googlemail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> There's an excellent "Accessibility Buyer's Guide" over at Game
>>>>>> Informer written by Annette Gonzalez:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>> http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2009/12/21/accessibility
>>>>>> -buyer-s-guide.aspx
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There's some positive comments there alongside some fairly
>> ignorant
>>>>>> ones too. I do understand the complaints about the price of
>>>>>> accessible controllers being much more than a standard controller
>> -
>>>>>> but I don't see any magic fix for that anytime soon.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Have a fantastic Christmas/Holiday season everyone, and I wish you
>>>>>> all the best in 2010.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Barrie
>>>>>> www.OneSwitch.org.uk
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark C. Barlet
>>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>>>> AbleGamers.com
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> games_access mailing list
>>>> games_access at igda.org
>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access
>>>> 
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From sandra_uhling at web.de  Sun Dec 27 05:12:31 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:12:31 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Christmas, Wii, touch generation
Message-ID: <1070867786@web.de>

Hi Thomas,

an AudioInterface could also help people who cannot read?

Best regards,
Sandra
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From thomas at pininteractive.com  Sun Dec 27 07:31:43 2009
From: thomas at pininteractive.com (thomas at pininteractive.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:31:43 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Christmas, Wii, touch generation
In-Reply-To: <1070867786@web.de>
References: <1070867786@web.de>
Message-ID: <4879598F-A4FD-4ED5-9057-0D1AE6CE0904@pininteractive.com>

yes that is part of the issue with the start menus

Kind regards,
Thomas

(Sent from my mobile)

On 27 dec 2009, at 11.12, "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de> wrote:

> Hi Thomas,
>
> an AudioInterface could also help people who cannot read?
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
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From sandra_uhling at web.de  Tue Dec 29 06:12:23 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:12:23 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Interface Analyses
Message-ID: <001801ca8877$cc11ba00$64352e00$@de>

Hi Sheryl,

here you can find interface analyses: (sorry only in german)
http://www.makinggames.de/index.php/magazin/keyword/Game+Design%2C+UI%2C+Use
r+Interface%2C+Design
Big Brain Academy:
http://www.makinggames.de/index.php/magazin/276_interface-analyse_teil_1

They always do ignore game accessibility :-(


Best regards,
Sandra



From hinn at uiuc.edu  Thu Dec 31 17:27:46 2009
From: hinn at uiuc.edu (D. Michelle Hinn)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:27:46 -0600
Subject: [games_access] Happy New Year!
Message-ID: <C2F915F2-6E8B-4F7D-91C3-1A171A84A7C0@uiuc.edu>

Hi all,

I wanted to wish everyone on this list a happy new year! I'm looking  
forward to a fruitful year for the group and am excited about all the  
possibilities that 2010 presents us, professionally and personally.

Best wishes!
Michelle
Chair, IGDA Game Accessibility SIG


From sandra_uhling at web.de  Thu Dec 31 17:49:50 2009
From: sandra_uhling at web.de (Sandra Uhling)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:49:50 +0100
Subject: [games_access] Happy New Year!
In-Reply-To: <C2F915F2-6E8B-4F7D-91C3-1A171A84A7C0@uiuc.edu>
References: <C2F915F2-6E8B-4F7D-91C3-1A171A84A7C0@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <005201ca8a6b$8ff56bc0$afe04340$@de>

Hi Michelle,

Perfect timing, I have 12 minutes to the new year.
Best regards and a happy New Year to all!

Sandra

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von D. Michelle Hinn
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Dezember 2009 23:28
> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Betreff: [games_access] Happy New Year!
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I wanted to wish everyone on this list a happy new year! I'm looking
> forward to a fruitful year for the group and am excited about all the
> possibilities that 2010 presents us, professionally and personally.
> 
> Best wishes!
> Michelle
> Chair, IGDA Game Accessibility SIG
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