[games_access] Terminology

Michelle Hinn hinn at uiuc.edu
Sat Dec 4 17:55:32 EST 2010


I'm a "people first" person (sorry Barrie!) -- then again, that's my personal preference. But I'm also ok with the reverse. I just personally prefer "disability/disabled" when I refer to myself.

Steve's right, though, "cripple" and "gimp" are terms that are much more of an issue for many more people.

Michelle

On Dec 3, 2010, at 6:43 PM, Steve Spohn wrote:


> Exactly, Aaron. According to those who have scolded AG it should be "X

> challenged" "persons with disabilities" and "persons with limitations" - I

> say Disabled gamer a lot as it's what I am. Barrie is correct in the

> "people first" is awkward and attaches negativity. Everyone has a

> sensitivity to certain words but most of the disabled individuals I've met

> despise "cripple" and some hate "gimp."

>

> I've never had someone object to disabled and only a few on handicapped.

>

> Steve Spohn

> Associate Editor

> The AbleGamers Foundation

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]

> On Behalf Of BlazeEagle

> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 4:55 PM

> To: games_access at igda.org

> Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology

>

> I personally don't find it that offensive but each person has their own

> preference. For physical disability, is "physically challenged" more "P.C."?

>

> For visual disabilities, How about "visually challenged" for visual

> disabilities?

>

> It really just boils down to semantics & how sensitive one is.

>

> Aaron

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>> 1. Terminology (Lynsey Graham)

>> 2. Re: Terminology (Sandra Uhling)

>> 3. Re: Terminology (Lynsey Graham)

>> 4. Re: Terminology (Barrie Ellis)

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>> Message: 1

>> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 16:25:14 -0000

>> From: "Lynsey Graham" <lgraham at blitzgamesstudios.com>

>> Subject: [games_access] Terminology

>> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"

>> <games_access at igda.org>

>> Message-ID:

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>> Hello all,

>>

>> I was wondering if I could ask for advice. I've just moved onto a

>> project, and noticed that one of the lines of dialogue refers to

>> 'handicapped people'. From what I've gathered, quite a few people find

>> this term offensive - is this generally the case? We're trying to decide

>> whether to cut the line, or whether to keep it (as some people on the team

>

>> have never heard that it's offensive).

>>

>> Any feedback would be much appreciated!

>>

>> Cheers,

>>

>> Lynsey

>>

>> Lynsey Graham

>> Designer | Blitz Games

>>

>>

>>

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>> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 17:44:14 +0100

>> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>

>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology

>> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"

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>> Hi Lynsey,

>>

>> I think this video will help you.

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVqz0LKphws&feature=player_embedded

>>

>> Maybe you can describe the situation and what kind of disability the

>> referred people have?

>>

>> A good description in general is: Persons with Disabilities, short PwDs.

>>

>> Best regards,

>> Sandra

>>

>>

>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

>> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]

>> Im

>> Auftrag von Lynsey Graham

>> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Dezember 2010 17:25

>> An: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'

>> Betreff: [games_access] Terminology

>>

>> Hello all,

>>

>>

>> I was wondering if I could ask for advice. I?ve just moved onto a

>> project,

>> and noticed that one of the lines of dialogue refers to ?handicapped

>> people?. From what I?ve gathered, quite a few people find this term

>> offensive ? is this generally the case? We?re trying to decide whether to

>> cut the line, or whether to keep it (as some people on the team have never

>> heard that it?s offensive).

>>

>>

>>

>> Any feedback would be much appreciated!

>>

>>

>> Cheers,

>>

>>

>> Lynsey

>>

>>

>>

>> Lynsey Graham

>>

>> Designer | Blitz Games

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>> Message: 3

>> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 17:06:52 -0000

>> From: "Lynsey Graham" <lgraham at blitzgamesstudios.com>

>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology

>> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"

>> <games_access at igda.org>

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>>

>> The line in question is:

>>

>> "Dogs are kept as pets but many also work for a living. They help out in

>> all sorts of ways from pulling sleds, herding, helping the handicapped,

>> guarding and hunting"

>>

>> It just strikes me as possibly being a bit awkwardly worded with the

>> potential to offend. Strangely, the German translation seems to just

>> refer to "f?hren Blinde", which I'm assuming is just referring to

>> blindness?

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]

>

>> On Behalf Of Sandra Uhling

>> Sent: 03 December 2010 16:44

>> To: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'

>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology

>>

>> Hi Lynsey,

>>

>> I think this video will help you.

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVqz0LKphws&feature=player_embedded

>>

>> Maybe you can describe the situation and what kind of disability the

>> referred people have?

>>

>> A good description in general is: Persons with Disabilities, short PwDs.

>>

>> Best regards,

>> Sandra

>>

>>

>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

>> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]

>> Im

>> Auftrag von Lynsey Graham

>> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Dezember 2010 17:25

>> An: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'

>> Betreff: [games_access] Terminology

>>

>> Hello all,

>>

>>

>> I was wondering if I could ask for advice. I've just moved onto a

>> project,

>> and noticed that one of the lines of dialogue refers to 'handicapped

>> people'. From what I've gathered, quite a few people find this term

>> offensive - is this generally the case? We're trying to decide whether to

>> cut the line, or whether to keep it (as some people on the team have never

>> heard that it's offensive).

>>

>>

>>

>> Any feedback would be much appreciated!

>>

>>

>> Cheers,

>>

>>

>> Lynsey

>>

>>

>>

>> Lynsey Graham

>>

>> Designer | Blitz Games

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>> Message: 4

>> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 17:11:45 -0000

>> From: "Barrie Ellis" <oneswitch at gmail.com>

>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology

>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"

>> <games_access at igda.org>

>> Message-ID: <C7AC2B07E36F4F659136228847280420 at OneSwitchPC>

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>> reply-type=original

>>

>> I much prefer the term Disabled Person/People, in the context that a

>> person

>> is disabled by something in their environment that poses a barrier to

>> them.

>> If a person can't get into a shop because they need to use a wheelchair,

>> then you might consider them a disabled person. If there's a ramp in

>> place,

>> that they can use, then they are no longer disabled in that particular

>> context. The same with video games.

>>

>> Saying "Person with disability", attaches the disability to them, and

>> always

>> feels like a more medical way of describing someone to me. You'll hear

>> people use the "people first" argument, but I prefer to describe people as

>> people first. Then if there's something disabling them from doing what

>> they

>> need/want to do, I would describe the person as a disabled person.

>>

>> Barrie

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> --------------------------------------------------

>> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>

>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 4:44 PM

>> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>

>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology

>>

>>> Hi Lynsey,

>>>

>>> I think this video will help you.

>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVqz0LKphws&feature=player_embedded

>>>

>>> Maybe you can describe the situation and what kind of disability the

>>> referred people have?

>>>

>>> A good description in general is: Persons with Disabilities, short PwDs.

>>>

>>> Best regards,

>>> Sandra

>>>

>>>

>>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

>>> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]

>>> Im

>>> Auftrag von Lynsey Graham

>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Dezember 2010 17:25

>>> An: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'

>>> Betreff: [games_access] Terminology

>>>

>>> Hello all,

>>>

>>>

>>> I was wondering if I could ask for advice. I've just moved onto a

>>> project,

>>> and noticed that one of the lines of dialogue refers to 'handicapped

>>> people'. From what I've gathered, quite a few people find this term

>>> offensive - is this generally the case? We're trying to decide whether

>>> to

>>> cut the line, or whether to keep it (as some people on the team have

>>> never

>>> heard that it's offensive).

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Any feedback would be much appreciated!

>>>

>>>

>>> Cheers,

>>>

>>>

>>> Lynsey

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Lynsey Graham

>>>

>>> Designer | Blitz Games

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ________________________________

>>>

>>> --

>>>

>>> IMPORTANT INFORMATION

>>>

>>> Information and any attached documentation from Blitz Games Studios

>>> Limited

>>> (including its divisions: Blitz Games, Volatile Games, Blitz Arcade,

>>> TruSim

>>> & BlitzTech) is intended for the use of the addressee only and may

>>> contain

>>> confidential information.

>>>

>>> If you are not the intended recipient please delete this email and notify

>>> us

>>> immediately.

>>>

>>> Please note that without the prior written consent of Blitz Games Studios

>>> Limited any form of distribution, copying or use of this email or the

>>> information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.

>>>

>>> Attachments to this email may accidentally contain software viruses. You

>>> are

>>> advised to take all reasonable precautions to minimise this risk and to

>>> carry out a virus check on any attachments before they are opened.

>>>

>>> Any formal offer contained in this email is subject to the standard terms

>>> &

>>> conditions of Blitz Games Studios Limited and must be signed by both

>>> parties. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author

>>> and

>>> do not necessarily represent those of Blitz Games Studios Limited.

>>>

>>> Blitz Games Studios Limited is registered in England (company no:

>>> 2482913).

>>> Its registered address is Regent Square House, The Parade, Leamington

>>> Spa,

>>> Warwickshire, CV32 4NL, UK

>>>

>>> ***********

>>>

>>>

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