[games_access] US Kills UN CRPD.... :( (Steve Spohn)

Wed Dec 5 18:43:43 EST 2012

True.

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at gmail.com> wrote:
> True. But we carry on.
>
> From: Michelle Hinn
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 10:39 PM
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [games_access] US Kills UN CRPD.... :( (Steve Spohn)
>
> Yeah unless each country commits to adopting the ideas in their own
> countries...in the end, signing it doesn't do much good. But we have a
> lot of people in the US who think that anything to do with the UN will
> turn the country into a "socialist nightmare" even if it can't do
> anything to directly change anything so they won't even commit to the
> idea of a world that is more accessible...
>
> Sad...so much to fight for still...so much...
>
> Michelle
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Sandra Uhling <sandra_uhling at web.de> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Unfortunately it does not help much to have the CRPD.
>> The truth is not changed .... You can see it in Germany .....
>>
>> Very very bad .... only few changes, .....
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
>> Im
>> Auftrag von Michelle Hinn
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Dezember 2012 18:32
>> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>> Betreff: Re: [games_access] US Kills UN CRPD.... :( (Steve Spohn)
>>
>> Yes, there are a LOT of delusional people out there about the state of the
>> US ADA, which BADLY needs revisiting. UN CRPD may have been initially
>> influenced on the ADA (as well as other countries disability laws)...but
>> then it took things WAY beyond it. So it's great to know that we will now
>> OFFICIALLY be one of the worst countries in the world for disability
>> rights.
>> Way to go, senate...way to go...
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Sandra Uhling <sandra_uhling at web.de>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I am sorry, but the level of the USA is very low.
>>> The UN CRPD is much much much much much higher!
>>>
>>> Example: Education Games
>>> USA: give the kid an alternative, e.g. a book UN CRPD: make the game
>>> accessible as possible
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sandra
>>>
>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org
>>>> [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
>>> Im
>>>> Auftrag von Ian Hamilton
>>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Dezember 2012 10:01
>>>> An: games_access at igda.org
>>>> Betreff: Re: [games_access] US Kills UN CRPD.... :( (Steve Spohn)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The entire thing was a pretty poor show from both sides. The
>>>> supporters
>>> based
>>>> their case on patriotic flag waving, making shameful false claims
>>>> about
>>> the US
>>>> leading the way, already being compliant, and that ratification was
>>>> about getting other countries to implement US laws.. making easy
>>>> pickings for
>>> the
>>>> opposition, who were able to use the holes in the case for together
>>>> with things like home schooling as a smokescreen for the real reason
>>>> for opposition.
>>>>
>>>> Have a watch of the Santorum and co. press conference, they stated
>>>> very clearly that things like home schooling are just minor details,
>>>> and even
>>> if
>>>> those widely publicised objections were amended they still would do
>>> everything
>>>> they could to block ratification, the reason (stated several times)
>>>> being
>>> that
>>>> they don't want ANY Americans to have any kind of social or economic
>>> rights,
>>>> as that's "a march towards Soviet block socialism".
>>>>
>>>> Fair point. Despite what the supporters (inc. DOJ) claimed,
>>>> ratification
>>> would
>>>> indeed require changes to the law, replacing the ADA (now outdated
>>> compared to
>>>> UNCRPD based legislation, like the UK's recent Equalities Act) with
>>> something
>>>> that included social and economic rights (UNCRPD states rights to
>>>> equal
>>> access
>>>> to employment opportunities, recreation, leisure and inclusion in
>>> society).
>>>>
>>>> So yes, fair point by the opposition.. that is, so long as you think
>>>> that discrimination against people with disabilities in these areas
>>>> is fine,
>>> and
>>>> all that matters is the current access to basic public/government
>>> services.
>>>>
>>>> As for it being a US led initiative to implement US laws overseas,
>>>> here's
>>> the
>>>> reality:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.un.org/disabilities/documents/maps/enablemap.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not the last time that the UNCRPD will be raised in the US.
>>> Considering
>>>> it is meant to be a non-partisan issue hopefully next time it'll be
>>>> able
>>> to
>>>> get through thanks to both sides debating it based on fact rather
>>>> than ideology, and hopefully next time it won't be raised during a
>>>> lame duck session too, that hardly helped.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully a situation like the UN convention on the rights of the
>>>> child
>>> can be
>>>> avoided. Here's the global state of ratification for that:
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Convention_on_the_R
>>> ights_
>>> of
>>>> _the_Child.svg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only three countries in the world haven't ratified. South Sudan
>>>> because
>>> the
>>>> country has only just been created. Somalia as they haven't had a
>>>> proper government in place for long enough to implement, but there's
>>>> wide public support and they are moving towards ratification.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And then the USA, because the convention mentions social and economic
>>> rights,
>>>> staunchly opposed by conservative senators, which they argued against
>>> using
>>>> home schooling choice as a cover. Sound familiar?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Message: 2
>>>> > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 23:09:02 -0500
>>>> > From: Michelle Hinn <michellehinn at gmail.com>
>>>> > Subject: [games_access] US Kills UN CRPD.... :(
>>>> > To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>>> > <games_access at igda.org>
>>>> > Message-ID:
>>>> > <CA+bf7W7XjMdYYZ0b6TfQZp1TLPL_fQOcN0AswTRPChbZB1+SyA at mail.gmail.com
>>>> > >
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>>>> >
>>>> > Well if you haven't heard this by now, here's what happened with
>>>> > CRPD as far as US involvement...
>>>> >
>>>> > http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/12/04/15675104-senate-gop-ki
>>>> > lls
>>>> > -disabilities-treaty
>>>> >
>>>> > Sigh...
>>>> >
>>>> > Michelle
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ------------------------------
>>>> >
>>>> > Message: 3
>>>> > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 00:25:41 -0500
>>>> > From: Steve Spohn <steve at ablegamers.com>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [games_access] US Kills UN CRPD.... :(
>>>> > To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>>> > <games_access at igda.org>
>>>> > Message-ID:
>>>> > <CABrM+MXw091-ugy+_i-fJfWLWB2tTLTX1a21TO0Hp-dAsA85sg at mail.gmail.com
>>>> > >
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>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks, Republicans! jerks
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
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