[games_access] suits about discrimination on the basisofdisability?

[Steve Spohn]

I agree that we will differ on this one, but I have to call strawman on
your argument. By that logic the only reason we don't murder people is
because the 10 Commandments tell us not to. I have CC'd the most passionate
person I know about this argument. Maybe he can change your mind.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at gmail.com> wrote:


> **

> My counter argument to that is pretty simple I think.

>

> In the UK, until the 1995 Disability Discrimination Act came into place,

> very few shops made any effort to provide "reasonably practicable access"

> to people such as wheelchair users. They complained that it would be far

> too expensive. All these years later, you'd be very hard pressed to find a

> shop that doesn't have wheelchair access. The legislation really has made a

> positive and lasting difference, and few people would worry about it now,

> or think it unfair.

>

> The reasonably practicable element is where good reason comes in (and yes

> with some grey areas). There's no pointing a gun to people's head. If it

> wasn't for anti-discrimination laws coming in, you'd probably still have

> racially segregated buses in the US, and such like around the world.

>

> Yes, developers worry, but if everyone has to take into account

> accessibility, it's far less of a worry. Altrusism and education only goes

> so far. I think we'll have to agree to differ though Steve, from previous

> discussions.

>

> Barrie

>

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>  *From:* Steve Spohn <steve at ablegamers.com>

> *Sent:* Sunday, June 24, 2012 8:03 PM

> *To:* IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>

> *Subject:* Re: [games_access] suits about discrimination on the

> basisofdisability?

>

> I would like to hear your counterargument. Being that I have to personally

> deal with developers every day in a number of things associated with AG, I

> can tell you that many of them had trepidation after that suit fearing that

> it may be the first of such lawsuits. Laws and lawsuits are not the way to

> bring about change.

>

> Hell, some people used to say the tactics AbleGamers uses (pointing out

> videogame flaws in accessibility, doing reviews, and God for bid, talking

> to developers directly) were bullying tactics and repeatedly asked us to

> stop in favor of doing studies. Yet trying to force developers,

> particularly indies, to make adaptations to their product or face the

> consequence of the law, is acceptable?

>

> I think that is a bit of a double standard.

>

> Walking down the road of virtually pointing a gun in the face of the

> developers saying "add a colorblind mode or else" is a very slippery slope.

>

> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> **

>> Also would say that it doing more harm than good is up for dispute.

>>

>>  *From:* Steve Spohn <steve at ablegamers.com>

>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 24, 2012 7:21 PM

>> *To:* IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>

>> *Subject:* Re: [games_access] suits about discrimination on the basis

>> ofdisability?

>>

>> It was thrown out. Also, many of AG SE & SIG condemned the law suit as it

>> is not a good way to bring about change. Many devs clammed up for awhile

>> after this law suit. It did more harm than anything.

>>

>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Sandra Uhling <sandra_uhling at web.de>wrote:

>>

>>> Hi,

>>>

>>> do we have a list with suits about discrimination on the basis of

>>> disability?

>>>

>>>

>>> I have only this:

>>>

>>> http://www.gamespot.com/news/visually-impaired-gamer-sues-sony-online-623933

>>> 9

>>>

>>> Does someone have information about the result?

>>> Was ist because it was no "public service" or/and error in form?

>>>

>>> Best regards,

>>> Sandra

>>>

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