[games_access] suits about discrimination on the basisofdisability?

[Steve Spohn]

I agree that we will differ on this one, but I have to call strawman on
your argument. By that logic the only reason we don't murder people is
because the 10 Commandments tell us not to. I have CC'd the most passionate
person I know about this argument. Maybe he can change your mind.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at gmail.com> wrote:

> **
> My counter argument to that is pretty simple I think.
>
> In the UK, until the 1995 Disability Discrimination Act came into place,
> very few shops made any effort to provide "reasonably practicable access"
> to people such as wheelchair users. They complained that it would be far
> too expensive. All these years later, you'd be very hard pressed to find a
> shop that doesn't have wheelchair access. The legislation really has made a
> positive and lasting difference, and few people would worry about it now,
> or think it unfair.
>
> The reasonably practicable element is where good reason comes in (and yes
> with some grey areas). There's no pointing a gun to people's head. If it
> wasn't for anti-discrimination laws coming in, you'd probably still have
> racially segregated buses in the US, and such like around the world.
>
> Yes, developers worry, but if everyone has to take into account
> accessibility, it's far less of a worry. Altrusism and education only goes
> so far. I think we'll have to agree to differ though Steve, from previous
> discussions.
>
> Barrie
>
>
>
>
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>  *From:* Steve Spohn <steve at ablegamers.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 24, 2012 8:03 PM
> *To:* IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [games_access] suits about discrimination on the
> basisofdisability?
>
> I would like to hear your counterargument. Being that I have to personally
> deal with developers every day in a number of things associated with AG, I
> can tell you that many of them had trepidation after that suit fearing that
> it may be the first of such lawsuits. Laws and lawsuits are not the way to
> bring about change.
>
> Hell, some people used to say the tactics AbleGamers uses (pointing out
> videogame flaws in accessibility, doing reviews, and God for bid, talking
> to developers directly) were bullying tactics and repeatedly asked us to
> stop in favor of doing studies. Yet trying to force developers,
> particularly indies, to make adaptations to their product or face the
> consequence of the law, is acceptable?
>
> I think that is a bit of a double standard.
>
> Walking down the road of virtually pointing a gun in the face of the
> developers saying "add a colorblind mode or else" is a very slippery slope.
>
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>> Also would say that it doing more harm than good is up for dispute.
>>
>>  *From:* Steve Spohn <steve at ablegamers.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 24, 2012 7:21 PM
>> *To:* IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [games_access] suits about discrimination on the basis
>> ofdisability?
>>
>> It was thrown out. Also, many of AG SE & SIG condemned the law suit as it
>> is not a good way to bring about change. Many devs clammed up for awhile
>> after this law suit. It did more harm than anything.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Sandra Uhling <sandra_uhling at web.de>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> do we have a list with suits about discrimination on the basis of
>>> disability?
>>>
>>>
>>> I have only this:
>>>
>>> http://www.gamespot.com/news/visually-impaired-gamer-sues-sony-online-623933
>>> 9
>>>
>>> Does someone have information about the result?
>>> Was ist because it was no "public service" or/and error in form?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sandra
>>>
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