[games_access] Whinge and whine

Mon Mar 26 13:47:52 EDT 2012

Have sent an off-list message on all of this stuff to Steve and Mark - but 
briefly for the curious...

1. I was stirring the pot a bit, after my petty-bone took a knock. I put my 
hands up. Not my finest moment ever.
2. Re. Accessibility Standards - would still love to see this happen, but 
may have to be in a different shape to what I was suggesting. Perhaps a more 
neutral shape initially.
3. Re. starting up my own web-site to review main-stream games, if you're 
talking about www.dual-ring.net - I have nothing whatsoever to do with that 
site (I did notice they share the same surname as mine). But I say good-luck 
to them. Nobody has the monopoly on game accessibility review sites, and I 
think good natured competition will strengthen our cause.

Anyway, my daft-ego aside, I love the idea of us all working together. Very 
much.

@Sandra - re. the Top 10 - I see zero problem in opening that up to full 
scrutiny: 
http://igda-gasig.org/about-game-accessibility/game-accessibility-top-ten/ - 
However, as that takes time, you'll see that may put in perspective how it 
came about. A list being needed very quickly for support with this: 
http://igda-gasig.org/2011/10/11/announcement-partnering-with-film-victoria/. 
Not ideal, I agree. Aside from how it came about (and more in its defence, 
the list was heavily influenced by the original top 10, and the many 
discussions on this list) - feel free to let rip with your thoughts for 
improvements.

Barrie

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From: "Steve Spohn" <steve at ablegamers.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 6:04 PM
To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
Subject: Re: [games_access] Whinge and whine

> I want to thank all those who saw the forest through the trees on the
> subject.
>
> To Barrie: You and I have had many discussions about SIG, AG and SE - I
> truly believe if you wanted to ask about that one second line in an 
> overall
> video you would have e-mailed me personally and not blasted it to the sig.
> it's difficult for me to believe that you were not just stirring the pot.
>
> Here's the thing. Nine months ago SpecialEffect and ablegamers were going 
> to
> collaborate on exactly what you are talking about. A set of guidelines 
> that
> would be on a third-party neutral website that would send people to both 
> of
> our websites and at the same time allow us to point developers to a 
> neutral
> ground explaining the W3C accessibility type standards. We were going to
> design this and then bring it to sig for suggestions and then post it for
> the world to see. Nine months later, the ball is still in your court and 
> we
> are still waiting for you to get back to Mark on this project.
>
> As far as I understand, in the meantime, you have started up your own
> website to do what ablegamers is already doing, review mainstream games. 
> So
> once again, instead of collaborating, we will be at odds.
>
> Why can everyone not work together towards the same goal? If we would all
> take a single task in the movement we would be so much stronger. To quote
> the great Roman philosophy "We are not a single clenched fist. We are but
> fingers wiggling free without being set to single purpose."
>
> Set mind to single purpose!
>
> Steve Spohn
> Editor-In-Chief
> The AbleGamers Foundation
>
> www.ablegamers.com - community site
> www.ablegamers.org - foundation website
> www.gameaccessibility.org - learn the basics of game accessibility
>
> Skype ID Steve_Spohn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
> On Behalf Of Barrie Ellis
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:41 PM
> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Whinge and whine
>
> Peace is a good thing. I was likely out of order to bring it up, and only
> showing my pettiness. Sorry.
>
> I would love to see the disparate organisations find something to come
> together with, that we can all back... Maybe some kind of W3C Game
> Accessibility guidelines. Maybe someone independent could come up with the
> bare bones, then bring in AbleGamers, IGDA GASIG, SpecialEffect and all 
> the
> others with an interest to flesh it out and all put our stamp on it? That 
> I
> would love to see very much. That might also show recognition for one
> another all round.
>
> Barrie
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 5:11 PM
> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Whinge and whine
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> peace?
>>
>> Everyone is doing what they can. I personally do not like this
>> attitude from both sides.
>> Both sides are right and wrong. The wrong part is because there are
>> emotion and this topic is a really hard hard hard work. And another
>> reason is that we sometimes miss open minds.
>> So why don't we work together?
>>
>> Maybe we should look at ourselves and look what we can change so we
>> can work together?
>>
>> This situation besides the SIG and AG is one of the reason I do not
>> work with this SIG, like I would like to do. To be honest I do not see
>> any team work, including letting the members participate in this SIG.
>> (The Top Ten Version two was made without participation of the
>> members!)
>>
>> So I started to work on my one stuff long time ago. I do not have the
>> feeling that new point of views are accepted. So I have my own
>> philosophy, sent my own paper to the UN and created my own project
>> concept without the SIG.
>>
>> But I do not like this ...
>>
>> Maybe we should look how we can make this SIG working again as a team
>> (and including all members) and hopefully in a partnership with the
>> AG?
>>
>> I would love to see something like this: Look there is a video about
>> AG, great!
>> (And maybe the AG does mention this SIG in the Video?)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Sandra
>>
>>
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