From rlboots at cedar-rapids.net Sun Oct 1 19:05:08 2006 From: rlboots at cedar-rapids.net (Rodger Boots) Date: Sun Oct 1 19:05:24 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Bytek Fireman 8x In-Reply-To: <20060930200619.4039.qmail@web82506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060930200619.4039.qmail@web82506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <452049A4.8040003@cedar-rapids.net> Cameron Rector wrote: > Hello all, > I am new to this site, so I will applogize for dumb questions up front. > > I have a Bytek fireman 8x and I am having trouble programming > TMS2532A's. The programming part goes well until verify. It seams that > at address 0800h it fails. It does this on every chip I try. I don't > know if this could be a configuration setting or it the unit has a bad > solder joint or IC. I did a visual inspection from A11 pin 18 back > through the circuit traces and joints, however I didn't find anything > wrong. I tried to call Bytek and their phone is disconnected and my > email bounced back. > > So, does anyone here know anything about this machine? Does anyone know > where I can get the schmatic's for this programmer? > > I am a newbe at programming eproms, so don't overlook the fact I could > have a software setting wacked out. > > The first verify error says "ADDS 0800h Ram 01 Device 00" That's OK, the last address in a 2532 would be 07FF, so at 0800 you're no longer inside the 2532. You have the end of buffer set too high, otherwise it would have stopped at 07FF. From crector at pacbell.net Sun Oct 1 21:02:54 2006 From: crector at pacbell.net (Cameron Rector) Date: Sun Oct 1 21:03:04 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Bytek Fireman 8x In-Reply-To: <452049A4.8040003@cedar-rapids.net> Message-ID: <20061002010254.45144.qmail@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rodger, Thanks for the input however, I believe the last address for the 2532 is FFFh. The 2532 is a 32k device arranged as 12bit address 8bit data or 4096x8=32k. I'm a little rusty at this but I also think that 7FFh = 2048 and 4096 = FFFh. With this said; I still think I have something wrong with my A11 signal or signal path. If you can think of something else, please let me know. Cameron Rodger Boots wrote: Cameron Rector wrote: > Hello all, > I am new to this site, so I will applogize for dumb questions up front. > > I have a Bytek fireman 8x and I am having trouble programming > TMS2532A's. The programming part goes well until verify. It seams that > at address 0800h it fails. It does this on every chip I try. I don't > know if this could be a configuration setting or it the unit has a bad > solder joint or IC. I did a visual inspection from A11 pin 18 back > through the circuit traces and joints, however I didn't find anything > wrong. I tried to call Bytek and their phone is disconnected and my > email bounced back. > > So, does anyone here know anything about this machine? Does anyone know > where I can get the schmatic's for this programmer? > > I am a newbe at programming eproms, so don't overlook the fact I could > have a software setting wacked out. > > The first verify error says "ADDS 0800h Ram 01 Device 00" That's OK, the last address in a 2532 would be 07FF, so at 0800 you're no longer inside the 2532. You have the end of buffer set too high, otherwise it would have stopped at 07FF. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20061001/d2db986e/attachment.html From jrr at flippers.com Sun Oct 1 22:09:22 2006 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Sun Oct 1 22:09:39 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Bytek Fireman 8x In-Reply-To: <20061002010254.45144.qmail@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061002010254.45144.qmail@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, Cameron, the 2532 does go to FFFh, a 2716 fills to 7FFh. If you have a logic probe with a 'memory' you can use that on a read to see if the A11 toggles. You can use a voltmeter as well...Pin 12 is Gnd, I would stuff thin wires into the two socket opening and clip the voltmeter to them. If it toggles on a read (it will start Low, then go High at 800h) but not on write (write FFs that you just 'read') then you have more information. John :-#)# At 6:02 PM -0700 10/1/06, Cameron Rector wrote: >Rodger, >Thanks for the input however, I believe the last address for the >2532 is FFFh. The 2532 is a 32k device arranged as 12bit address >8bit data or 4096x8=32k. >I'm a little rusty at this but I also think that 7FFh = 2048 and 4096 = FFFh. > >With this said; I still think I have something wrong with my >A11 signal or signal path. > >If you can think of something else, please let me know. > >Cameron > >Rodger Boots wrote: > >Cameron Rector wrote: >> Hello all, >> I am new to this site, so I will applogize for dumb questions up front. >> >> I have a Bytek fireman 8x and I am having trouble programming >> TMS2532A's. The programming part goes well until verify. It seams that >> at address 0800h it fails. It does this on every chip I try. I don't >> know if this could be a configuration setting or it the unit has a bad >> solder joint or IC. I did a visual inspection from A11 pin 18 back >> through the circuit traces and joints, however I didn't find anything >> wrong. I tried to call Bytek and their phone is disconnected and my >> email bounced back. >> >> So, does anyone here know anything about this machine? Does anyone know >> where I can get the schmatic's for this programmer? >> >> I am a newbe at programming eproms, so don't overlook the fact I could >> have a software setting wacked out. >> >> The first verify error says "ADDS 0800h Ram 01 Device 00" > > >That's OK, the last address in a 2532 would be 07FF, so at 0800 you're >no longer inside the 2532. > >You have the end of buffer set too high, otherwise it would have stopped >at 07FF. >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist@flippers.com >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist@flippers.com >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20061001/713381dc/attachment.html From crector at pacbell.net Sun Oct 1 23:52:40 2006 From: crector at pacbell.net (Cameron Rector) Date: Sun Oct 1 23:52:43 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Bytek Fireman 8x In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061002035240.61805.qmail@web82501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, Thank you, this gives me all kinds of ideas. I will check this tomorrow with the logic probe. I am thinking if the programmer doesn't pull this pin up then maybe I could program the lower half of the eprom first and then manually pull A11 up and set my starting address to 800h and program the top half. I will check it out first and see what I have. Thanks, Cameron John Robertson wrote: Yes, Cameron, the 2532 does go to FFFh, a 2716 fills to 7FFh. If you have a logic probe with a 'memory' you can use that on a read to see if the A11 toggles. You can use a voltmeter as well...Pin 12 is Gnd, I would stuff thin wires into the two socket opening and clip the voltmeter to them. If it toggles on a read (it will start Low, then go High at 800h) but not on write (write FFs that you just 'read') then you have more information. John :-#)# At 6:02 PM -0700 10/1/06, Cameron Rector wrote: Rodger, Thanks for the input however, I believe the last address for the 2532 is FFFh. The 2532 is a 32k device arranged as 12bit address 8bit data or 4096x8=32k. I'm a little rusty at this but I also think that 7FFh = 2048 and 4096 = FFFh. With this said; I still think I have something wrong with my A11 signal or signal path. If you can think of something else, please let me know. Cameron Rodger Boots wrote: Cameron Rector wrote: > Hello all, > I am new to this site, so I will applogize for dumb questions up front. > > I have a Bytek fireman 8x and I am having trouble programming > TMS2532A's. The programming part goes well until verify. It seams that > at address 0800h it fails. It does this on every chip I try. I don't > know if this could be a configuration setting or it the unit has a bad > solder joint or IC. I did a visual inspection from A11 pin 18 back > through the circuit traces and joints, however I didn't find anything > wrong. I tried to call Bytek and their phone is disconnected and my > email bounced back. > > So, does anyone here know anything about this machine? Does anyone know > where I can get the schmatic's for this programmer? > > I am a newbe at programming eproms, so don't overlook the fact I could > have a software setting wacked out. > > The first verify error says "ADDS 0800h Ram 01 Device 00" That's OK, the last address in a 2532 would be 07FF, so at 0800 you're no longer inside the 2532. You have the end of buffer set too high, otherwise it would have stopped at 07FF. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20061001/2f44f9c7/attachment-0001.htm From rlboots at cedar-rapids.net Mon Oct 2 02:46:11 2006 From: rlboots at cedar-rapids.net (Rodger Boots) Date: Mon Oct 2 02:46:31 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Bytek Fireman 8x In-Reply-To: <20061002010254.45144.qmail@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061002010254.45144.qmail@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4520B5B3.1000607@cedar-rapids.net> Cameron Rector wrote: > Rodger, > Thanks for the input however, I believe the last address for the 2532 > is FFFh. The 2532 is a 32k device arranged as 12bit address 8bit data or > 4096x8=32k. > I'm a little rusty at this but I also think that 7FFh = 2048 and 4096 = > FFFh. That's what happens when I try to calculate addresses in my head instead of actually looking it up. Sorry about that. From jrr at flippers.com Mon Oct 2 11:01:02 2006 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Mon Oct 2 11:01:13 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Bitsavers - PDF and Software archive. In-Reply-To: <4520B5B3.1000607@cedar-rapids.net> References: <20061002010254.45144.qmail@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4520B5B3.1000607@cedar-rapids.net> Message-ID: Here is a great resource and a spot to upload all those old documents you have in PDF that we do not want to lose... http://www.textfiles.com/bitsavers/ I am contacting them about the TTL FTP archive to see if they are interested... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20061002/7cc53143/attachment.html From crector at pacbell.net Tue Oct 3 08:53:01 2006 From: crector at pacbell.net (Cameron Rector) Date: Tue Oct 3 08:53:06 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Bytek Fireman 8x (Probe results) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061003125301.46996.qmail@web82506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> First of all; I have to say my troubles are looking more and more self induced. I talked to some people on the techtool fourm and got a tip to watch A11 with a logic probe while programming. Well intresting enough; A11 goes high right at 800h and stays high though the rest of the programming (that is what it shoud do). So this got me thinking of performing a few more tests. 1. first I loaded a blank eprom into ram, then I viewed the ram and saw it was filled with FF (which is correct). Then I performed a verify and it passes (and it should). I next loaded my binary file (I am assuming its binary) and re-ran verify and it fails (and it should). Then I program the ram (containing the file) into the eprom and the post program verify fails (and it should not). So I see it fails at 800h (as it always does) and it shows ram = 00 and the device = A2 (or something simular, I forgot the exact number). So at this point I see from 800h on things don't match up. I next load ram again with FF just to make sure it is clear and then download the device into ram. I then view the ram at 800h and it says 800h = 00. I again run verify and again it fails at 800h saying the same thing ram = 00 and the device = A2. Now how the heck can that happen? I just downloaded the device into ram and verified it against its own contents and it fails showing it has a different number than what it downloaded. 2. Just to test the hardware of the programmer. I verified a new blank eprom and it passed all FF. I then loaded a constant 00 into ram and programmed the eprom and it passes. This tells me that I can take all highs at all pins and change them to all lows at all pins. This also tell me that the programmer must be doing the hardware thing correctly. 3. I programmed another blank eprom with an abitrary constant CC and it passes. CC is loaded in all locations. I hope you can follow all of this. Thank you for all the help folks! Cameron John Robertson wrote: Yes, Cameron, the 2532 does go to FFFh, a 2716 fills to 7FFh. If you have a logic probe with a 'memory' you can use that on a read to see if the A11 toggles. You can use a voltmeter as well...Pin 12 is Gnd, I would stuff thin wires into the two socket opening and clip the voltmeter to them. If it toggles on a read (it will start Low, then go High at 800h) but not on write (write FFs that you just 'read') then you have more information. John :-#)# At 6:02 PM -0700 10/1/06, Cameron Rector wrote: Rodger, Thanks for the input however, I believe the last address for the 2532 is FFFh. The 2532 is a 32k device arranged as 12bit address 8bit data or 4096x8=32k. I'm a little rusty at this but I also think that 7FFh = 2048 and 4096 = FFFh. With this said; I still think I have something wrong with my A11 signal or signal path. If you can think of something else, please let me know. Cameron Rodger Boots wrote: Cameron Rector wrote: > Hello all, > I am new to this site, so I will applogize for dumb questions up front. > > I have a Bytek fireman 8x and I am having trouble programming > TMS2532A's. The programming part goes well until verify. It seams that > at address 0800h it fails. It does this on every chip I try. I don't > know if this could be a configuration setting or it the unit has a bad > solder joint or IC. I did a visual inspection from A11 pin 18 back > through the circuit traces and joints, however I didn't find anything > wrong. I tried to call Bytek and their phone is disconnected and my > email bounced back. > > So, does anyone here know anything about this machine? Does anyone know > where I can get the schmatic's for this programmer? > > I am a newbe at programming eproms, so don't overlook the fact I could > have a software setting wacked out. > > The first verify error says "ADDS 0800h Ram 01 Device 00" That's OK, the last address in a 2532 would be 07FF, so at 0800 you're no longer inside the 2532. You have the end of buffer set too high, otherwise it would have stopped at 07FF. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20061003/92e55118/attachment.htm From martin at guddler.co.uk Tue Oct 3 08:59:07 2006 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (Martin White) Date: Tue Oct 3 09:05:11 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Bytek Fireman 8x (Probe results) In-Reply-To: <20061003125301.46996.qmail@web82506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061003125301.46996.qmail@web82506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <61646.212.159.19.58.1159880347.squirrel@www.guddler.co.uk:5936> Isn't this just sounding more and more like a simple case of a faulty eprom that needs discarding? On Tue, October 3, 2006 1:53 pm, Cameron Rector wrote: > First of all; I have to say my troubles are looking more and more self > induced. > > I talked to some people on the techtool fourm and got a tip to watch A11 > with a logic probe while programming. Well intresting enough; A11 goes > high right at 800h and stays high though the rest of the programming > (that is what it shoud do). So this got me thinking of performing a few > more tests. > > 1. first I loaded a blank eprom into ram, then I viewed the ram and saw > it was filled with FF (which is correct). Then I performed a verify and > it passes (and it should). I next loaded my binary file (I am assuming > its binary) and re-ran verify and it fails (and it should). Then I > program the ram (containing the file) into the eprom and the post > program verify fails (and it should not). So I see it fails at 800h (as > it always does) and it shows ram = 00 and the device = A2 (or something > simular, I forgot the exact number). So at this point I see from 800h on > things don't match up. I next load ram again with FF just to make sure > it is clear and then download the device into ram. I then view the ram > at 800h and it says 800h = 00. I again run verify and again it fails at > 800h saying the same thing ram = 00 and the device = A2. > > Now how the heck can that happen? I just downloaded the device into ram > and verified it against its own contents and it fails showing it has a > different number than what it downloaded. > > 2. Just to test the hardware of the programmer. I verified a new blank > eprom and it passed all FF. I then loaded a constant 00 into ram and > programmed the eprom and it passes. This tells me that I can take all > highs at all pins and change them to all lows at all pins. This also > tell me that the programmer must be doing the hardware thing correctly. > > 3. I programmed another blank eprom with an abitrary constant CC and it > passes. CC is loaded in all locations. > > I hope you can follow all of this. > Thank you for all the help folks! > Cameron > > > > John Robertson wrote: Yes, Cameron, the 2532 > does go to FFFh, a 2716 fills to 7FFh. > > > If you have a logic probe with a 'memory' you can use that on a read to > see if the A11 toggles. You can use a voltmeter as well...Pin 12 is Gnd, > I would stuff thin wires into the two socket opening and clip the > voltmeter to them. > > > If it toggles on a read (it will start Low, then go High at 800h) but > not on write (write FFs that you just 'read') then you have more > information. > > > > > John :-#)# > > > At 6:02 PM -0700 10/1/06, Cameron Rector wrote: > Rodger, Thanks for the input however, I believe the last address for > the 2532 is FFFh. The 2532 is a 32k device arranged as 12bit address > 8bit data or 4096x8=32k. I'm a little rusty at this but I also think > that 7FFh = 2048 and 4096 = FFFh. With this said; I still think I > have something wrong with my A11 signal or signal path. If you can > think of something else, please let me know. Cameron > > Rodger Boots wrote: > Cameron Rector wrote: >> Hello all, >> I am new to this site, so I will applogize for dumb questions up front. >> >> I have a Bytek fireman 8x and I am having trouble programming >> TMS2532A's. The programming part goes well until verify. It seams that >> at address 0800h it fails. It does this on every chip I try. I don't >> know if this could be a configuration setting or it the unit has a bad >> solder joint or IC. I did a visual inspection from A11 pin 18 back >> through the circuit traces and joints, however I didn't find anything >> wrong. I tried to call Bytek and their phone is disconnected and my >> email bounced back. >> >> So, does anyone here know anything about this machine? Does anyone know >> where I can get the schmatic's for this programmer? >> >> I am a newbe at programming eproms, so don't overlook the fact I could >> have a software setting wacked out. >> >> The first verify error says "ADDS 0800h Ram 01 Device 00" > > > That's OK, the last address in a 2532 would be 07FF, so at 0800 you're > no longer inside the 2532. > > You have the end of buffer set too high, otherwise it would have stopped > at 07FF. > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > From crector at pacbell.net Tue Oct 3 12:39:07 2006 From: crector at pacbell.net (Cameron Rector) Date: Tue Oct 3 12:39:46 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Bytek Fireman 8x (Probe results) In-Reply-To: <61646.212.159.19.58.1159880347.squirrel@www.guddler.co.uk:5936> Message-ID: <20061003163907.46357.qmail@web82503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would agree except; I am using eight new eproms and eight old eproms. All but one does the same thing. The one is dead and doesn't program. Martin White wrote: Isn't this just sounding more and more like a simple case of a faulty eprom that needs discarding? On Tue, October 3, 2006 1:53 pm, Cameron Rector wrote: > First of all; I have to say my troubles are looking more and more self > induced. > > I talked to some people on the techtool fourm and got a tip to watch A11 > with a logic probe while programming. Well intresting enough; A11 goes > high right at 800h and stays high though the rest of the programming > (that is what it shoud do). So this got me thinking of performing a few > more tests. > > 1. first I loaded a blank eprom into ram, then I viewed the ram and saw > it was filled with FF (which is correct). Then I performed a verify and > it passes (and it should). I next loaded my binary file (I am assuming > its binary) and re-ran verify and it fails (and it should). Then I > program the ram (containing the file) into the eprom and the post > program verify fails (and it should not). So I see it fails at 800h (as > it always does) and it shows ram = 00 and the device = A2 (or something > simular, I forgot the exact number). So at this point I see from 800h on > things don't match up. I next load ram again with FF just to make sure > it is clear and then download the device into ram. I then view the ram > at 800h and it says 800h = 00. I again run verify and again it fails at > 800h saying the same thing ram = 00 and the device = A2. > > Now how the heck can that happen? I just downloaded the device into ram > and verified it against its own contents and it fails showing it has a > different number than what it downloaded. > > 2. Just to test the hardware of the programmer. I verified a new blank > eprom and it passed all FF. I then loaded a constant 00 into ram and > programmed the eprom and it passes. This tells me that I can take all > highs at all pins and change them to all lows at all pins. This also > tell me that the programmer must be doing the hardware thing correctly. > > 3. I programmed another blank eprom with an abitrary constant CC and it > passes. CC is loaded in all locations. > > I hope you can follow all of this. > Thank you for all the help folks! > Cameron > > > > John Robertson wrote: Yes, Cameron, the 2532 > does go to FFFh, a 2716 fills to 7FFh. > > > If you have a logic probe with a 'memory' you can use that on a read to > see if the A11 toggles. You can use a voltmeter as well...Pin 12 is Gnd, > I would stuff thin wires into the two socket opening and clip the > voltmeter to them. > > > If it toggles on a read (it will start Low, then go High at 800h) but > not on write (write FFs that you just 'read') then you have more > information. > > > > > John :-#)# > > > At 6:02 PM -0700 10/1/06, Cameron Rector wrote: > Rodger, Thanks for the input however, I believe the last address for > the 2532 is FFFh. The 2532 is a 32k device arranged as 12bit address > 8bit data or 4096x8=32k. I'm a little rusty at this but I also think > that 7FFh = 2048 and 4096 = FFFh. With this said; I still think I > have something wrong with my A11 signal or signal path. If you can > think of something else, please let me know. Cameron > > Rodger Boots wrote: > Cameron Rector wrote: >> Hello all, >> I am new to this site, so I will applogize for dumb questions up front. >> >> I have a Bytek fireman 8x and I am having trouble programming >> TMS2532A's. The programming part goes well until verify. It seams that >> at address 0800h it fails. It does this on every chip I try. I don't >> know if this could be a configuration setting or it the unit has a bad >> solder joint or IC. I did a visual inspection from A11 pin 18 back >> through the circuit traces and joints, however I didn't find anything >> wrong. I tried to call Bytek and their phone is disconnected and my >> email bounced back. >> >> So, does anyone here know anything about this machine? Does anyone know >> where I can get the schmatic's for this programmer? >> >> I am a newbe at programming eproms, so don't overlook the fact I could >> have a software setting wacked out. >> >> The first verify error says "ADDS 0800h Ram 01 Device 00" > > > That's OK, the last address in a 2532 would be 07FF, so at 0800 you're > no longer inside the 2532. > > You have the end of buffer set too high, otherwise it would have stopped > at 07FF. > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20061003/a3856935/attachment.html From crector at pacbell.net Thu Oct 5 12:12:56 2006 From: crector at pacbell.net (Cameron Rector) Date: Thu Oct 5 12:13:01 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Bytek Fireman 8x new information In-Reply-To: <61646.212.159.19.58.1159880347.squirrel@www.guddler.co.uk:5936> Message-ID: <20061005161256.22329.qmail@web82511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What I did find was address 800h contains the same data as 000h and 801h = 001h and so on. It appears that the programmer is resending the first half of the ram to 800h and above. I only checked the first 8 addresses and the data matches, so I assume that it continues. The programmer has internal memory and when I query 800h it has the correct data stored there. I looks like it programs the first 2048 in the bottom half of the eprom and then programs the first 2048 in the top half of the eprom. Anythoughts other than the trash can? Martin White wrote: Isn't this just sounding more and more like a simple case of a faulty eprom that needs discarding? On Tue, October 3, 2006 1:53 pm, Cameron Rector wrote: > First of all; I have to say my troubles are looking more and more self > induced. > > I talked to some people on the techtool fourm and got a tip to watch A11 > with a logic probe while programming. Well intresting enough; A11 goes > high right at 800h and stays high though the rest of the programming > (that is what it shoud do). So this got me thinking of performing a few > more tests. > > 1. first I loaded a blank eprom into ram, then I viewed the ram and saw > it was filled with FF (which is correct). Then I performed a verify and > it passes (and it should). I next loaded my binary file (I am assuming > its binary) and re-ran verify and it fails (and it should). Then I > program the ram (containing the file) into the eprom and the post > program verify fails (and it should not). So I see it fails at 800h (as > it always does) and it shows ram = 00 and the device = A2 (or something > simular, I forgot the exact number). So at this point I see from 800h on > things don't match up. I next load ram again with FF just to make sure > it is clear and then download the device into ram. I then view the ram > at 800h and it says 800h = 00. I again run verify and again it fails at > 800h saying the same thing ram = 00 and the device = A2. > > Now how the heck can that happen? I just downloaded the device into ram > and verified it against its own contents and it fails showing it has a > different number than what it downloaded. > > 2. Just to test the hardware of the programmer. I verified a new blank > eprom and it passed all FF. I then loaded a constant 00 into ram and > programmed the eprom and it passes. This tells me that I can take all > highs at all pins and change them to all lows at all pins. This also > tell me that the programmer must be doing the hardware thing correctly. > > 3. I programmed another blank eprom with an abitrary constant CC and it > passes. CC is loaded in all locations. > > I hope you can follow all of this. > Thank you for all the help folks! > Cameron > > > > John Robertson wrote: Yes, Cameron, the 2532 > does go to FFFh, a 2716 fills to 7FFh. > > > If you have a logic probe with a 'memory' you can use that on a read to > see if the A11 toggles. You can use a voltmeter as well...Pin 12 is Gnd, > I would stuff thin wires into the two socket opening and clip the > voltmeter to them. > > > If it toggles on a read (it will start Low, then go High at 800h) but > not on write (write FFs that you just 'read') then you have more > information. > > > > > John :-#)# > > > At 6:02 PM -0700 10/1/06, Cameron Rector wrote: > Rodger, Thanks for the input however, I believe the last address for > the 2532 is FFFh. The 2532 is a 32k device arranged as 12bit address > 8bit data or 4096x8=32k. I'm a little rusty at this but I also think > that 7FFh = 2048 and 4096 = FFFh. With this said; I still think I > have something wrong with my A11 signal or signal path. If you can > think of something else, please let me know. Cameron > > Rodger Boots wrote: > Cameron Rector wrote: >> Hello all, >> I am new to this site, so I will applogize for dumb questions up front. >> >> I have a Bytek fireman 8x and I am having trouble programming >> TMS2532A's. The programming part goes well until verify. It seams that >> at address 0800h it fails. It does this on every chip I try. I don't >> know if this could be a configuration setting or it the unit has a bad >> solder joint or IC. I did a visual inspection from A11 pin 18 back >> through the circuit traces and joints, however I didn't find anything >> wrong. I tried to call Bytek and their phone is disconnected and my >> email bounced back. >> >> So, does anyone here know anything about this machine? Does anyone know >> where I can get the schmatic's for this programmer? >> >> I am a newbe at programming eproms, so don't overlook the fact I could >> have a software setting wacked out. >> >> The first verify error says "ADDS 0800h Ram 01 Device 00" > > > That's OK, the last address in a 2532 would be 07FF, so at 0800 you're > no longer inside the 2532. > > You have the end of buffer set too high, otherwise it would have stopped > at 07FF. > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20061005/dbff8291/attachment.html From mike at the-coates.com Fri Oct 6 13:43:01 2006 From: mike at the-coates.com (Mike Coates) Date: Thu Oct 5 13:42:07 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Bytek Fireman 8x new information In-Reply-To: <20061005161256.22329.qmail@web82511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061005161256.22329.qmail@web82511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <452695A5.5080508@the-coates.com> one of the address line buffers in the programmer itself - open it up, may be standard 74244's or 74245's - easy enough to sort out then ... Cameron Rector wrote: > What I did find was address 800h contains the same data as 000h and 801h > = 001h and so on. It appears that the programmer is resending the first > half of the ram to 800h and above. > I only checked the first 8 addresses and the data matches, so I assume > that it continues. > The programmer has internal memory and when I query 800h it has the > correct data stored there. > > I looks like it programs the first 2048 in the bottom half of the eprom > and then programs the first 2048 in the top half of the eprom. > > Anythoughts other than the trash can? > > > */Martin White /* wrote: > > Isn't this just sounding more and more like a simple case of a faulty > eprom that needs discarding? > > On Tue, October 3, 2006 1:53 pm, Cameron Rector wrote: > > First of all; I have to say my troubles are looking more and more > self > > induced. > > > > I talked to some people on the techtool fourm and got a tip to > watch A11 > > with a logic probe while programming. Well intresting enough; A11 > goes > > high right at 800h and stays high though the rest of the programming > > (that is what it shoud do). So this got me thinking of performing > a few > > more tests. > > > > 1. first I loaded a blank eprom into ram, then I viewed the ram > and saw > > it was filled with FF (which is correct). Then I performed a > verify and > > it passes (and it should). I next loaded my binary file (I am > assuming > > its binary) and re-ran verify and it fails (and it should). Then I > > program the ram (containing the file) into the eprom and the post > > program verify fails (and it should not). So I see it fails at > 800h (as > > it always does) and it shows ram = 00 and the device = A2 (or > something > > simular, I forgot the exact number). So at this point I see from > 800h on > > things don't match up. I next load ram again with FF just to make > sure > > it is clear and then download the device into ram. I then view > the ram > > at 800h and it says 800h = 00. I again run verify and again it > fails at > > 800h saying the same thing ram = 00 and the device = A2. > > > > Now how the heck can that happen? I just downloaded the device > into ram > > and verified it against its own contents and it fails showing it > has a > > different number than what it downloaded. > > > > 2. Just to test the hardware of the programmer. I verified a new > blank > > eprom and it passed all FF. I then loaded a constant 00 into ram and > > programmed the eprom and it passes. This tells me that I can take all > > highs at all pins and change them to all lows at all pins. This also > > tell me that the programmer must be doing the hardware thing > correctly. > > > > 3. I programmed another blank eprom with an abitrary constant CC > and it > > passes. CC is loaded in all locations. > > > > I hope you can follow all of this. > > Thank you for all the help folks! > > Cameron > > > > > > > > John Robertson wrote: Yes, Cameron, the 2532 > > does go to FFFh, a 2716 fills to 7FFh. > > > > > > If you have a logic probe with a 'memory' you can use that on a > read to > > see if the A11 toggles. You can use a voltmeter as well...Pin 12 > is Gnd, > > I would stuff thin wires into the two socket opening and clip the > > voltmeter to them. > > > > > > If it toggles on a read (it will start Low, then go High at 800h) but > > not on write (write FFs that you just 'read') then you have more > > information. > > > > > > > > > > John :-#)# > > > > > > At 6:02 PM -0700 10/1/06, Cameron Rector wrote: > > Rodger, Thanks for the input however, I believe the last address for > > the 2532 is FFFh. The 2532 is a 32k device arranged as 12bit address > > 8bit data or 4096x8=32k. I'm a little rusty at this but I also think > > that 7FFh = 2048 and 4096 = FFFh. With this said; I still think I > > have something wrong with my A11 signal or signal path. If you can > > think of something else, please let me know. Cameron > > > > Rodger Boots wrote: > > Cameron Rector wrote: > >> Hello all, > >> I am new to this site, so I will applogize for dumb questions up > front. > >> > >> I have a Bytek fireman 8x and I am having trouble programming > >> TMS2532A's. The programming part goes well until verify. It > seams that > >> at address 0800h it fails. It does this on every chip I try. I don't > >> know if this could be a configuration setting or it the unit has > a bad > >> solder joint or IC. I did a visual inspection from A11 pin 18 back > >> through the circuit traces and joints, however I didn't find > anything > >> wrong. I tried to call Bytek and their phone is disconnected and my > >> email bounced back. > >> > >> So, does anyone here know anything about this machine? Does > anyone know > >> where I can get the schmatic's for this programmer? > >> > >> I am a newbe at programming eproms, so don't overlook the fact I > could > >> have a software setting wacked out. > >> > >> The first verify error says "ADDS 0800h Ram 01 Device 00" > > > > > > That's OK, the last address in a 2532 would be 07FF, so at 0800 > you're > > no longer inside the 2532. > > > > You have the end of buffer set too high, otherwise it would have > stopped > > at 07FF. > > _______________________________________________ > > Techtoolslist mailing list > > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Techtoolslist mailing list > > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > > > > > > > > -- > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > > www.flippers.com > > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > _______________________________________________ > > Techtoolslist mailing list > > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Techtoolslist mailing list > > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From crector at pacbell.net Thu Oct 5 23:22:26 2006 From: crector at pacbell.net (Cameron Rector) Date: Thu Oct 5 23:22:31 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Bytek Fireman 8x is dead In-Reply-To: <452695A5.5080508@the-coates.com> Message-ID: <20061006032226.44622.qmail@web82506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> OK, I borrowed a EMP-20 tonight and programmed all of my EPROMs in about an hour. It was so simple I didn't even have to learn about all the settings. Because it was my first time programming EPROMs I didn't know if spending many hours setting it up was normal or not. Now I know alot more about programmers and I guess I need to thank the Bytek for that. Anyway; I want to thank you all for the help. Cameron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20061005/a5a9fbc4/attachment.htm From matt at rossiters.com Sat Oct 7 15:50:11 2006 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Sat Oct 7 16:08:13 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Photos of my Test Box Message-ID: <20061007123155.D9444@rossiters.com> I thought I'd share some photos on the website I'm updating. I'd like to create a site that has a little more information on what test equipment I use along with the "Here's My Games" photos. For starters this is a test box I built which makes testing boards a little easier than what I was doing before. http://games.rossiters.com/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=90 It has a nice Variac for adjusting AC to the exact voltage for any particular monitor. All of the AC Outputs are isolated and have line filters. You can measure the AC current as well as voltage with either the built in indicators or the hookups. It has a power supply for Cinematronics and Atari games as well as a normal switching power supply. So I am able to hook up PCB's or the Zektor ZVG. There's hookups for +5v, -5v, +12v and Ground. In the front there is a switch that toggles the control panel so that you can switch between PCB's or Game Emulation from a computer. In the back there's a nice big fan for blowing out the heat. Best of all, it's compact and rolls around on wheels. Anyway, it's kind of cool. It's been pretty helpful so far and it's not too big of an eye sore. I just need to put some finishing touches on it. If anyone has any helpful comments feel free to share. Matt From jmartins at agenciainterativa.com Sun Oct 8 23:00:26 2006 From: jmartins at agenciainterativa.com (Jose Luiz Martins) Date: Sun Oct 8 23:04:51 2006 Subject: RES: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O 29A Unipak Issues,(Promlink) In-Reply-To: <001901c6d9fc$4ebaf8a0$6500a8c0@D9H12R41> Message-ID: <003501c6eb4f$12faae00$0400a8c0@JMartins> Hi Mark ! I'm facing the same problem for years... Where can I find this Promlink copy ? Thank you very much ! JL -----Mensagem original----- De: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] Em nome de Mark Hooks Enviada em: s?bado, 16 de setembro de 2006 22:55 Para: techtoolslist@flippers.com Assunto: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O 29A Unipak Issues,(Promlink) After a year of messing around with this thing off and on I finally got it working. I had to revert to Promlink version 2.4 and Windows 98 to get it running. Seems the later versions don't have the Unipak option. They only have Unipak 2B which is different. I also made a custom cable for it. So others wont have to go through the pain I did, here's the pin connections for making a cable: DB9 (PC) DB25 (29A) 2 2 3 3 8 4 7 5 5 7 I was able to use the default port settings to get things to communicate. Mark Hooks ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: Techtoolslist Digest, Vol 24, Issue 4 > Send Techtoolslist mailing list submissions to > techtoolslist@flippers.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > techtoolslist-request@flippers.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > techtoolslist-owner@flippers.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Techtoolslist digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Data I/O 29A with Unipak Questions About Promlink > (Mike Coates) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:06:24 +0100 > From: Mike Coates > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O 29A with Unipak Questions About > Promlink > To: Technical Tools Mail List > Message-ID: <450AEBA0.7010903@the-coates.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > have you selected the right programmer type from the menu - it must > match the plug in pack as well as the 29A bit. > > for my 29A, I told it that it was a 29B anyway > > Mark Hooks wrote: >> I think I finally have my interface cable working between my PC and my >> 29A unit. I am using Promlink 6.10 to interface between my PC and the >> 29A. However, when I try to set the device I cant. I'm trying to read a >> 2708 and none of the menu options show it, even though the 29A device >> list says it should be there. For that matter nothing but PROM part >> numbers seem to be showing up. How do I fix this? Do I have an outdated >> data file in my promlink directory? > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > End of Techtoolslist Digest, Vol 24, Issue 4 > ******************************************** _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From jrr at flippers.com Sun Oct 15 20:25:04 2006 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Sun Oct 15 20:25:17 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Archiving 1702 eproms. In-Reply-To: <451A2EED.6030905@cedar-rapids.net> References: <001801c6dcf0$7122b6c0$c501a8c0@office> <20060920205840.GA26936@kaizen.mayo.edu> <451A2EED.6030905@cedar-rapids.net> Message-ID: Anyone have technical info on the Pro-Log burner pods? What I am looking for is the info on the "universal" adapter to see if one of the Eproms it could handle was the 1702. I suspect not...everything I've read points to a unique pod for them. I do have the manuals that came with the machine, but nothing on that pod, nor the 1702A pod. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jrr at flippers.com Wed Oct 18 16:56:01 2006 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed Oct 18 18:51:00 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] New PCB design? In-Reply-To: References: <001801c6dcf0$7122b6c0$c501a8c0@office> <20060920205840.GA26936@kaizen.mayo.edu> <451A2EED.6030905@cedar-rapids.net> Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Ebay-Programmer-scam172DPI.JPG Type: application/octet-stream Size: 140409 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20061018/5ce33406/Ebay-Programmer-scam172DPI-0001.obj -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Ebay-Programmer-scam272DPI.JPG Type: application/octet-stream Size: 127728 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20061018/5ce33406/Ebay-Programmer-scam272DPI-0001.obj From jrr at flippers.com Wed Oct 18 19:14:29 2006 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed Oct 18 19:14:58 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] New PCB design? In-Reply-To: References: <001801c6dcf0$7122b6c0$c501a8c0@office> <20060920205840.GA26936@kaizen.mayo.edu> <451A2EED.6030905@cedar-rapids.net> Message-ID: Sorry for the bandwidth, but I couldn't resist posting those pictures... Oh, and if you reply please clip the pictures out or the message will sit in the Admin file for me to allow to pass as I have a 40K limit on emails for TTL (admin override). John ;-#)# From jrr at flippers.com Wed Oct 18 19:19:51 2006 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed Oct 18 19:20:09 2006 Subject: RES: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O 29A Unipak Issues,(Promlink) In-Reply-To: <003501c6eb4f$12faae00$0400a8c0@JMartins> References: <003501c6eb4f$12faae00$0400a8c0@JMartins> Message-ID: At 12:00 AM -0300 10/9/06, Jose Luiz Martins wrote: >Hi Mark ! > >I'm facing the same problem for years... Where can I find this Promlink copy >? > >Thank you very much ! > >JL It might be one of the old "PL" programs on ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment/Data-IO/Promlink John :-#)# > >-----Mensagem original----- >De: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com >[mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] Em nome de Mark Hooks >Enviada em: s?bado, 16 de setembro de 2006 22:55 >Para: techtoolslist@flippers.com >Assunto: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O 29A Unipak Issues,(Promlink) > >After a year of messing around with this thing off and on I finally got it >working. I had to revert to Promlink version 2.4 and Windows 98 to get it >running. Seems the later versions don't have the Unipak option. They only >have Unipak 2B which is different. I also made a custom cable for it. > >So others wont have to go through the pain I did, here's the pin connections > >for making a cable: > >DB9 (PC) DB25 (29A) > 2 2 > 3 3 > 8 4 > 7 5 > 5 7 > >I was able to use the default port settings to get things to communicate. > >Mark Hooks >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 12:00 PM >Subject: Techtoolslist Digest, Vol 24, Issue 4 > > >> Send Techtoolslist mailing list submissions to >> techtoolslist@flippers.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> techtoolslist-request@flippers.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> techtoolslist-owner@flippers.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Techtoolslist digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Data I/O 29A with Unipak Questions About Promlink >> (Mike Coates) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:06:24 +0100 >> From: Mike Coates >> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O 29A with Unipak Questions About >> Promlink >> To: Technical Tools Mail List >> Message-ID: <450AEBA0.7010903@the-coates.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> have you selected the right programmer type from the menu - it must >> match the plug in pack as well as the 29A bit. >> >> for my 29A, I told it that it was a 29B anyway >> >> Mark Hooks wrote: >>> I think I finally have my interface cable working between my PC and my >>> 29A unit. I am using Promlink 6.10 to interface between my PC and the >>> 29A. However, when I try to set the device I cant. I'm trying to read a >>> 2708 and none of the menu options show it, even though the 29A device >>> list says it should be there. For that matter nothing but PROM part >>> numbers seem to be showing up. How do I fix this? Do I have an outdated >>> data file in my promlink directory? >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist@flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> >> >> End of Techtoolslist Digest, Vol 24, Issue 4 >> ******************************************** > >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist@flippers.com >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist@flippers.com >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From chris at westnet.com Wed Oct 18 20:17:12 2006 From: chris at westnet.com (Christopher X. Candreva) Date: Wed Oct 18 20:17:18 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] New PCB design? In-Reply-To: References: <001801c6dcf0$7122b6c0$c501a8c0@office> <20060920205840.GA26936@kaizen.mayo.edu> <451A2EED.6030905@cedar-rapids.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, John Robertson wrote: > Had an amusing purchase on eBay - twas supposed to be a Xeltek Superpro > burner...received it (well packed), and tried to hook it up. Hmmm, wrong DB25 > plug on unit. Let's open and see what the problem is... Wow, that's an awful lot of work. To FIND such a case, know that a ZIF socket goes there. Do you have enough information to nail the guy ? ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris@westnet.com -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From jrr at flippers.com Wed Oct 18 20:30:18 2006 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed Oct 18 20:30:30 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] New PCB design? In-Reply-To: References: <001801c6dcf0$7122b6c0$c501a8c0@office> <20060920205840.GA26936@kaizen.mayo.edu> <451A2EED.6030905@cedar-rapids.net> Message-ID: I think the eBay seller was scammed - the auction story was this was found in a storage unit. I suspect someone (service tech?) previously simply stole the PCB, and popped the Styrofoam in to replace it and it then went back to the owner who promptly forgot about it. Oddly enough the socket IS the original one for the burner and the LEDs are the correct colours for the locations they occupy. Someone went to some trouble! It seems a bit too obvious for a technical person to not notice this 'feature' when they would buy it that leads me to assume the seller is innocent. They don't sell any other electronic gear. I've simply asked for my money back and I shall then mail it back to him... No reply so far (six hours)! I think my feedback could prove to be interesting if I'm not satisfied (link to pictures comes to mind!). Always best to not annoy techies or computer nerds, isn't it? John ;-#)# At 8:17 PM -0400 10/18/06, Christopher X. Candreva wrote: >On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, John Robertson wrote: > >> Had an amusing purchase on eBay - twas supposed to be a Xeltek Superpro >> burner...received it (well packed), and tried to hook it up. Hmmm, >>wrong DB25 >> plug on unit. Let's open and see what the problem is... > >Wow, that's an awful lot of work. To FIND such a case, know that a ZIF >socket goes there. > >Do you have enough information to nail the guy ? > >========================================================== >Chris Candreva -- chris@westnet.com -- (914) 967-7816 >WestNet Internet Services of Westchester >http://www.westnet.com/ >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist@flippers.com >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From nightmaretony at yahoo.com Wed Oct 18 22:08:45 2006 From: nightmaretony at yahoo.com (Tony Gonzalez) Date: Wed Oct 18 22:08:48 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] New PCB design? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061019020845.66725.qmail@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Probably a display dummy. --- John Robertson wrote: > I think the eBay seller was scammed - the auction > story was this was > found in a storage unit. I suspect someone (service > tech?) previously > simply stole the PCB, and popped the Styrofoam in to > replace it and > it then went back to the owner who promptly forgot > about it. > > Oddly enough the socket IS the original one for the > burner and the > LEDs are the correct colours for the locations they > occupy. Someone > went to some trouble! > > It seems a bit too obvious for a technical person to > not notice this > 'feature' when they would buy it that leads me to > assume the seller > is innocent. They don't sell any other electronic > gear. I've simply > asked for my money back and I shall then mail it > back to him... > > No reply so far (six hours)! I think my feedback > could prove to be > interesting if I'm not satisfied (link to pictures > comes to mind!). > > Always best to not annoy techies or computer nerds, > isn't it? > > John ;-#)# > > At 8:17 PM -0400 10/18/06, Christopher X. Candreva > wrote: > >On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, John Robertson wrote: > > > >> Had an amusing purchase on eBay - twas supposed > to be a Xeltek Superpro > >> burner...received it (well packed), and tried to > hook it up. Hmmm, > >>wrong DB25 > >> plug on unit. Let's open and see what the > problem is... > > > >Wow, that's an awful lot of work. To FIND such a > case, know that a ZIF > >socket goes there. > > > >Do you have enough information to nail the guy ? > > > >========================================================== > >Chris Candreva -- chris@westnet.com -- (914) > 967-7816 > >WestNet Internet Services of Westchester > >http://www.westnet.com/ > >_______________________________________________ > >Techtoolslist mailing list > >Techtoolslist@flippers.com > >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, > Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, > VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jrr at flippers.com Wed Oct 18 22:36:21 2006 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed Oct 18 22:37:18 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] New PCB design? In-Reply-To: <20061019020845.66725.qmail@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061019020845.66725.qmail@web37311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hmm, hadn't thought of that. Makes sense! John :-#)# At 7:08 PM -0700 10/18/06, Tony Gonzalez wrote: >Probably a display dummy. > > >--- John Robertson wrote: > >> I think the eBay seller was scammed - the auction >> story was this was >> found in a storage unit. I suspect someone (service >> tech?) previously >> simply stole the PCB, and popped the Styrofoam in to >> replace it and >> it then went back to the owner who promptly forgot >> about it. >> >> Oddly enough the socket IS the original one for the >> burner and the >> LEDs are the correct colours for the locations they >> occupy. Someone >> went to some trouble! >> >> It seems a bit too obvious for a technical person to >> not notice this >> 'feature' when they would buy it that leads me to >> assume the seller >> is innocent. They don't sell any other electronic >> gear. I've simply >> asked for my money back and I shall then mail it >> back to him... >> >> No reply so far (six hours)! I think my feedback >> could prove to be >> interesting if I'm not satisfied (link to pictures >> comes to mind!). >> >> Always best to not annoy techies or computer nerds, >> isn't it? >> >> John ;-#)# >> >> At 8:17 PM -0400 10/18/06, Christopher X. Candreva >> wrote: >> >On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, John Robertson wrote: >> > >> >> Had an amusing purchase on eBay - twas supposed >> to be a Xeltek Superpro >> >> burner...received it (well packed), and tried to >> hook it up. Hmmm, >> >>wrong DB25 >> >> plug on unit. Let's open and see what the >> problem is... >> > >> >Wow, that's an awful lot of work. To FIND such a >> case, know that a ZIF >> >socket goes there. >> > >> >Do you have enough information to nail the guy ? >> > >> >>========================================================== >> >Chris Candreva -- chris@westnet.com -- (914) >> 967-7816 >> >WestNet Internet Services of Westchester >> >http://www.westnet.com/ >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Techtoolslist mailing list >> >Techtoolslist@flippers.com >> >>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> >> >> -- >> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, >> Canada V5T 3C9 >> Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, >> VideoGames) >> www.flippers.com >> "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist@flippers.com >> >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist@flippers.com >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From cooter1974 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 19 02:58:12 2006 From: cooter1974 at hotmail.com (David Heath) Date: Thu Oct 19 02:58:23 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Huntron 1005B-1S parts/manual Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20061019/ce9f2c1a/attachment-0001.html From jrr at flippers.com Thu Oct 19 12:57:24 2006 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Thu Oct 19 12:59:25 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Archiving 1702 eproms. In-Reply-To: References: <001801c6dcf0$7122b6c0$c501a8c0@office> <20060920205840.GA26936@kaizen.mayo.edu> <451A2EED.6030905@cedar-rapids.net> Message-ID: Just got off the phone with John Dumont of Andromdea Research Labbs (www.arlabs.com (513-831-8708)) and he has sold me an unadvertised 1702/A reader for $49US plus postage! This will work fine with my ARLABs PEP Eprom programmer and is a fair bit cheaper than his burner ($695US for the 1702 burner)! If anyone here has their burner and a need to read 1702s then they might want to look into this card. I'll let folks know the results! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"