From invadar at mail.com Tue Sep 12 15:43:09 2006 From: invadar at mail.com (peter davies) Date: Tue Sep 12 15:38:31 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] ABI PC System 8 Board Fault Locator Message-ID: <20060912194309.B3C511024D@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> I have purchased this Board Fault Locator on ebay it came with no manuals or external cables. I could make up the cable if i had the pinouts can anyone help with manuals or pinouts will pay any costs involved thanx Invadar -- ___________________________________________________ Now you can search for products and services http://search.mail.com From marcwolf123 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 13 23:01:36 2006 From: marcwolf123 at yahoo.com (Marc Alexander) Date: Wed Sep 13 23:01:44 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] ABI PC System 8 Board Fault Locator References: <20060912194309.B3C511024D@ws1-3.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <00ba01c6d7aa$1a1dca90$ba00a8c0@Marc9300> Can ABI, the manufacturer help you? Looks like the System 8 is one of their current products even, http://www.abielectronics.co.uk/ There is a brochure and data sheet here, don't know how much detail there is: http://www.abielectronics.co.uk/products.php?range=5&product=5 Cheers, Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter davies" To: "Technical Tools Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:43 AM Subject: [Techtoolslist] ABI PC System 8 Board Fault Locator I have purchased this Board Fault Locator on ebay it came with no manuals or external cables. I could make up the cable if i had the pinouts can anyone help with manuals or pinouts will pay any costs involved thanx Invadar -- ___________________________________________________ Now you can search for products and services http://search.mail.com _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From markhooks at earthlink.net Thu Sep 14 19:56:34 2006 From: markhooks at earthlink.net (Mark Hooks) Date: Thu Sep 14 19:57:55 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O 29A with Unipak Questions About Promlink Message-ID: <001101c6d859$8cbb1e40$6500a8c0@D9H12R41> I think I finally have my interface cable working between my PC and my 29A unit. I am using Promlink 6.10 to interface between my PC and the 29A. However, when I try to set the device I cant. I'm trying to read a 2708 and none of the menu options show it, even though the 29A device list says it should be there. For that matter nothing but PROM part numbers seem to be showing up. How do I fix this? Do I have an outdated data file in my promlink directory? Mark Hooks From mike at the-coates.com Fri Sep 15 14:06:24 2006 From: mike at the-coates.com (Mike Coates) Date: Fri Sep 15 14:06:55 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O 29A with Unipak Questions About Promlink In-Reply-To: <001101c6d859$8cbb1e40$6500a8c0@D9H12R41> References: <001101c6d859$8cbb1e40$6500a8c0@D9H12R41> Message-ID: <450AEBA0.7010903@the-coates.com> have you selected the right programmer type from the menu - it must match the plug in pack as well as the 29A bit. for my 29A, I told it that it was a 29B anyway Mark Hooks wrote: > I think I finally have my interface cable working between my PC and my > 29A unit. I am using Promlink 6.10 to interface between my PC and the > 29A. However, when I try to set the device I cant. I'm trying to read a > 2708 and none of the menu options show it, even though the 29A device > list says it should be there. For that matter nothing but PROM part > numbers seem to be showing up. How do I fix this? Do I have an outdated > data file in my promlink directory? From markhooks at earthlink.net Sat Sep 16 13:44:15 2006 From: markhooks at earthlink.net (Mark Hooks) Date: Sat Sep 16 13:44:44 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Re: Techtoolslist Digest, Vol 24, Issue 4 References: <20060916160015.94BE957928@seven.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <001b01c6d9b7$bda0c370$6500a8c0@D9H12R41> Mike, I think you hit on the problem. My 29A has a Unipak, not a Unipak 2B. I dont even see an option for the Unipak in Promlink versions 6.10 or 3.4. I tried using the Unipak 2B setting but it throws up an error message asking me if it is a 2B (which it isnt). At least it seems to be talking to the 29A. I've tried this on both an XP machine and a Win 98 machine and they both have have the problem (note that version 3.4 wont run on XP at all) Does anyone have a verion of promlink that will drive the Unipak as opposed to the Unipak 2B? Mark Hooks ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: Techtoolslist Digest, Vol 24, Issue 4 > Send Techtoolslist mailing list submissions to > techtoolslist@flippers.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > techtoolslist-request@flippers.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > techtoolslist-owner@flippers.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Techtoolslist digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Data I/O 29A with Unipak Questions About Promlink > (Mike Coates) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:06:24 +0100 > From: Mike Coates > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O 29A with Unipak Questions About > Promlink > To: Technical Tools Mail List > Message-ID: <450AEBA0.7010903@the-coates.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > have you selected the right programmer type from the menu - it must > match the plug in pack as well as the 29A bit. > > for my 29A, I told it that it was a 29B anyway > > Mark Hooks wrote: >> I think I finally have my interface cable working between my PC and my >> 29A unit. I am using Promlink 6.10 to interface between my PC and the >> 29A. However, when I try to set the device I cant. I'm trying to read a >> 2708 and none of the menu options show it, even though the 29A device >> list says it should be there. For that matter nothing but PROM part >> numbers seem to be showing up. How do I fix this? Do I have an outdated >> data file in my promlink directory? > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > End of Techtoolslist Digest, Vol 24, Issue 4 > ******************************************** From markhooks at earthlink.net Sat Sep 16 21:55:06 2006 From: markhooks at earthlink.net (Mark Hooks) Date: Sat Sep 16 21:56:20 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O 29A Unipak Issues,(Promlink) References: <20060916160015.94BE957928@seven.pairlist.net> Message-ID: <001901c6d9fc$4ebaf8a0$6500a8c0@D9H12R41> After a year of messing around with this thing off and on I finally got it working. I had to revert to Promlink version 2.4 and Windows 98 to get it running. Seems the later versions don't have the Unipak option. They only have Unipak 2B which is different. I also made a custom cable for it. So others wont have to go through the pain I did, here's the pin connections for making a cable: DB9 (PC) DB25 (29A) 2 2 3 3 8 4 7 5 5 7 I was able to use the default port settings to get things to communicate. Mark Hooks ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: Techtoolslist Digest, Vol 24, Issue 4 > Send Techtoolslist mailing list submissions to > techtoolslist@flippers.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > techtoolslist-request@flippers.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > techtoolslist-owner@flippers.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Techtoolslist digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Data I/O 29A with Unipak Questions About Promlink > (Mike Coates) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:06:24 +0100 > From: Mike Coates > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O 29A with Unipak Questions About > Promlink > To: Technical Tools Mail List > Message-ID: <450AEBA0.7010903@the-coates.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > have you selected the right programmer type from the menu - it must > match the plug in pack as well as the 29A bit. > > for my 29A, I told it that it was a 29B anyway > > Mark Hooks wrote: >> I think I finally have my interface cable working between my PC and my >> 29A unit. I am using Promlink 6.10 to interface between my PC and the >> 29A. However, when I try to set the device I cant. I'm trying to read a >> 2708 and none of the menu options show it, even though the 29A device >> list says it should be there. For that matter nothing but PROM part >> numbers seem to be showing up. How do I fix this? Do I have an outdated >> data file in my promlink directory? > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > End of Techtoolslist Digest, Vol 24, Issue 4 > ******************************************** From markhooks at earthlink.net Mon Sep 18 20:27:12 2006 From: markhooks at earthlink.net (Mark Hooks) Date: Mon Sep 18 20:27:34 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Wante: Pat 9000 Major Havoc Wire Routing List Message-ID: <00a801c6db82$5b3c0790$6500a8c0@D9H12R41> Do any PAT 9000 owners out there have the adapter wire routing list for Major Havoc you could send me? The manual doesn't include it. I know I could work one up but I'm admittedly being lazy! Mark Hooks From ayeckley at sierralobo.com Mon Sep 18 20:42:20 2006 From: ayeckley at sierralobo.com (Alex Yeckley) Date: Mon Sep 18 20:42:28 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Wante: Pat 9000 Major Havoc Wire Routing List In-Reply-To: <00a801c6db82$5b3c0790$6500a8c0@D9H12R41> Message-ID: <003501c6db84$77902820$0c01a8c0@office> >Do any PAT 9000 owners out there have the adapter wire routing >list for Major Havoc you could send me? The manual doesn't >include it. I've checked, and none of our documentation has a table for MH. Alex ---- ayeckley@elektronforge.com www.elektronforge.com From tony at htbsusa.com Tue Sep 19 15:37:42 2006 From: tony at htbsusa.com (tony) Date: Tue Sep 19 16:08:26 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] taito 3 board space invaders schematic Message-ID: <2006919153742.167446@hitechoffice> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20060919/19b3f4c1/attachment.html From sales at htbsusa.com Tue Sep 19 15:49:36 2006 From: sales at htbsusa.com (sales) Date: Tue Sep 19 16:08:35 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] taito 3 board space invaders schematic lines in invaders In-Reply-To: <2006919153742.167446@hitechoffice> Message-ID: <2006919154936.522501@hitechoffice> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20060919/0fb3eac8/attachment.html From arcadeforever at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 16:14:02 2006 From: arcadeforever at gmail.com (Arcadeforever) Date: Tue Sep 19 16:14:13 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] taito 3 board space invaders schematic In-Reply-To: <2006919153742.167446@hitechoffice> References: <2006919153742.167446@hitechoffice> Message-ID: <9e9ac7880609191314o538eaca7m40663b038ebdf4f8@mail.gmail.com> HTH!!!! http://www.robotron-2084.co.uk/manualsinvaders.html Let me know if not and I will scan mine.. WM On 9/19/06, tony wrote: > > i have a taito 3 board space invaders in a cocktail > it has several problems > > > i need the schematics if you have them especially the daughter card or > sound board > i have the ones on the net and they do not match > it does not have a mb14241 on this board set > i found a close one "taito space invaders color cv > but the chip numbers dos not match the bus line goes from chip # 9 to 44 > on this > the actual board i have only goes in the 20's > and the cv schematic shows 74ls151's > this board has 74ls350's i think chip # 9 - 12 > all the chip numbers are worn off and hard to read > > > > 1st problem is lines trough the invaders like a force field you can not > shoot through > > > 2nd game stars in player 2 as soon as the credits reach 2 coins no button > needed ,player 1 works great like it should 1 coin and then you need to > press player 1 start ,i tried to follow player 2 as far back on the board > and the logic is correct > > > 3rd sound issues missing i can correct them but not till others are fixed > > > any help would be great thanks tony > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > -- Wayne Moore -=GAME OVER=- FAX:1-209-391-9800 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20060919/e8e1d315/attachment.htm From prototech at usa.net Tue Sep 19 22:53:46 2006 From: prototech at usa.net (William E Miller) Date: Tue Sep 19 22:53:52 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] =?utf-8?b?4oCgIEZTOiBOZXcgOVZEQyAxQSAoLSkgQUMg?= =?utf-8?q?Adapters?= Message-ID: <468kiTc1U7472S15.1158720826@cmsweb15.cms.usa.net> FS: New 9VDC 1A (-) AC Adapters Photos & Info at: http://mem.tcon.net/users/5010/5491/strongworld.htm New & unused Strong World brand AC adapters with 110VAC nominal primary and a coaxial connector plug with negative center and 9VDC 1000mA (1A) output. The plug has a negative center with an outside diameter of .217" (2.4mm), an inside diameter of .95" (5.5mm) and a length of .54" (1.3mm). Each AC adapter comes in a plastic zipper bag and weighs 14 ounces. These are suitable for various electronic devices such as inkjet printers, pdeal boards, boom boxes, digital cameras, video games, scanners, battery packs, chargers, etc. US buyers only, PayPal, check or money order. I'm willing to entertain offers if you're interested in one or more or all, please feel free to contact me about them. QUESTIONS? E-mail prototech@usa.net or call 765_378_4640. Thanks! Best Regards, William E. Miller, ASEET prototech@usa.net Bad Microwave Oven Display? I Repair Them by Mail Microwave Control Panel Repair Nationwide $32.50 OUR WEB SHORTCUT: http://www.MicrowaveDisplay.com From voyager at galaxian.com Tue Sep 19 23:15:58 2006 From: voyager at galaxian.com (Greg Baumgratz) Date: Wed Sep 20 00:07:47 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] =?windows-1252?Q?=86_FS=3A_New_9VDC_?= =?windows-1252?Q?1A_=28-=29_AC_Adapters?= In-Reply-To: <468kiTc1U7472S15.1158720826@cmsweb15.cms.usa.net> References: <468kiTc1U7472S15.1158720826@cmsweb15.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: <4510B26E.1080709@galaxian.com> I can't find a price anywhere.... William E Miller wrote: >FS: New 9VDC 1A (-) AC Adapters > >Photos & Info at: >http://mem.tcon.net/users/5010/5491/strongworld.htm > >New & unused Strong World brand AC adapters with 110VAC nominal primary and a >coaxial connector plug with negative center and 9VDC 1000mA (1A) output. > >The plug has a negative center with an outside diameter of .217" (2.4mm), an >inside diameter of .95" (5.5mm) and a length of .54" (1.3mm). > >Each AC adapter comes in a plastic zipper bag and weighs 14 ounces. > >These are suitable for various electronic devices such as inkjet printers, >pdeal boards, boom boxes, digital cameras, video games, scanners, battery >packs, chargers, etc. > >US buyers only, PayPal, check or money order. > >I'm willing to entertain offers if you're interested in one or more or all, >please feel free to contact me about them. > >QUESTIONS? E-mail prototech@usa.net or call 765_378_4640. Thanks! > > >Best Regards, > >William E. Miller, ASEET >prototech@usa.net >Bad Microwave Oven Display? I Repair Them by Mail > >Microwave Control Panel Repair Nationwide $32.50 > >OUR WEB SHORTCUT: http://www.MicrowaveDisplay.com > > >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist@flippers.com >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > > From jrr at flippers.com Tue Sep 19 23:19:26 2006 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed Sep 20 00:07:59 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Re: FS... In-Reply-To: <468kiTc1U7472S15.1158720826@cmsweb15.cms.usa.net> References: <468kiTc1U7472S15.1158720826@cmsweb15.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: Just a reminder note to folks that the Tech Tools email List (TTL) is for discussions of a technical nature only - mostly test equipment and the use thereof. Sales of test equipment (pods, burners, logic analyzers, etc.) at a hobbiest level is encouraged as long as it is on topic. For example - I've got a bunch of Arium logic analyzers, is anyone interested? (seriously I do - the ML4100 and ML4400 series) You will get one friendly warning about off-topic posts... Thanks! John :-#)# From mail at nessandsteve.plus.com Wed Sep 20 10:28:28 2006 From: mail at nessandsteve.plus.com (Mail) Date: Wed Sep 20 10:56:15 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] &#134; FS: New 9VDC 1A (-) AC Adapters Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20060920/62fcc85d/attachment.html From jrr at flippers.com Wed Sep 20 11:13:06 2006 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed Sep 20 11:13:09 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] POLL: Re: FS... In-Reply-To: References: <468kiTc1U7472S15.1158720826@cmsweb15.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: POLL: Do people want "FS: misc." ads put up by members? I figure a 75% majority (say over the next couple of days) means it would be fine to put up miscellaneous electronic stuff. I am just concerned about the possible influx of additional emails when some of us already get several hundred a day.. I do not have a problem if the items are at all related to electronics, as an example these 9V power packs would be useful to me for selling my old Pachinko machines - they are the correct voltage and current to light them up, but 9V adapters are not exactly a piece of test equipment. Still folks can talk about them (9V adapters) if they wish as the topic is already up. The questions raised are good! John (your easily confused host) ;-#)# From pharwood at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 20 11:39:17 2006 From: pharwood at bellsouth.net (Phil) Date: Wed Sep 20 11:39:37 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] POLL: Re: FS... References: <468kiTc1U7472S15.1158720826@cmsweb15.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: <001101c6dcca$ef85b6a0$c501a8c0@office> John, Allow the " frivolous ads" and you risk loosing more people including me. If I need an adapter, I'll go to Google or Ebay. I have rarely used this board, but follow it and found it useful on occasion, I also scarfed up a manual I needed. Some specialized equipment that can benefit the majority is great, but keep it limited. I have a building full of test equipment and electronics I need to dispose of, I didn't think it belonged here. As far as 100 emails a day, some of us get more than that.. Personally, if you allow ads like the "F5" remove me from the list. That's not 2 cents worth, that's gospel ! Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: "Technical Tools Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:13 AM Subject: [Techtoolslist] POLL: Re: FS... > POLL: > > Do people want "FS: misc." ads put up by members? > > I figure a 75% majority (say over the next couple of days) means it > would be fine to put up miscellaneous electronic stuff. I am just > concerned about the possible influx of additional emails when some of > us already get several hundred a day.. > > I do not have a problem if the items are at all related to > electronics, as an example these 9V power packs would be useful to me > for selling my old Pachinko machines - they are the correct voltage > and current to light them up, but 9V adapters are not exactly a piece > of test equipment. > > Still folks can talk about them (9V adapters) if they wish as the > topic is already up. The questions raised are good! > > John (your easily confused host) ;-#)# > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From ayeckley at sierralobo.com Wed Sep 20 11:50:19 2006 From: ayeckley at sierralobo.com (Alex Yeckley) Date: Wed Sep 20 11:50:41 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] re: POLL: Re: FS... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005401c6dccc$79d02100$3678a8c0@SLI.LOCAL> > Do people want "FS: misc." ads put up by members? Not really. Chances are that they'll really be FA: ads anyhow. I don't feel as strongly as Phil, but I generally agree with him about it. Alex ---- ayeckley@elektronforge.com www.elektronforge.com From arcadeforever at gmail.com Wed Sep 20 13:33:36 2006 From: arcadeforever at gmail.com (Arcadeforever) Date: Wed Sep 20 13:33:42 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] POLL: Re: FS... In-Reply-To: References: <468kiTc1U7472S15.1158720826@cmsweb15.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: <9e9ac7880609201033r5b50adcp3561e3bb9a4dd5b5@mail.gmail.com> I would say if you want to put an ad up that could covered on RGVAC or RGP put it there... maybe test equipment that is valid in this forum would be allowed.. such as device programmers, logic comparitors and items like that.... I know there is a newsgroup for test equipment for sale, but like i said in that case it may be acceptable here. just my 2 cents On 9/20/06, John Robertson wrote: > > POLL: > > Do people want "FS: misc." ads put up by members? > > I figure a 75% majority (say over the next couple of days) means it > would be fine to put up miscellaneous electronic stuff. I am just > concerned about the possible influx of additional emails when some of > us already get several hundred a day.. > > I do not have a problem if the items are at all related to > electronics, as an example these 9V power packs would be useful to me > for selling my old Pachinko machines - they are the correct voltage > and current to light them up, but 9V adapters are not exactly a piece > of test equipment. > > Still folks can talk about them (9V adapters) if they wish as the > topic is already up. The questions raised are good! > > John (your easily confused host) ;-#)# > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > -- Wayne Moore -=GAME OVER=- FAX:1-209-391-9800 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20060920/3ec27422/attachment.htm From matt at rossiters.com Wed Sep 20 15:31:51 2006 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Wed Sep 20 15:30:00 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] POLL: Re: FS... In-Reply-To: <9e9ac7880609201033r5b50adcp3561e3bb9a4dd5b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <468kiTc1U7472S15.1158720826@cmsweb15.cms.usa.net> <9e9ac7880609201033r5b50adcp3561e3bb9a4dd5b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060920122002.D65226@rossiters.com> Not to drag this "non-techtools" topic on too long. But how 'bout we just can the whole idea of doing a FS: or especially a FA: - In my opinion, there is always the unspoken rule that if you REALLY DO have something of interest to sell, such as a motherload of Atari CAT Boxes you can go ahead and "Mention it". But I think most of us aren't too interested in relatively easy to find stuff. Matt From jrr at flippers.com Wed Sep 20 15:42:58 2006 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed Sep 20 15:42:50 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS: In-Reply-To: <20060920122002.D65226@rossiters.com> References: <468kiTc1U7472S15.1158720826@cmsweb15.cms.usa.net> <9e9ac7880609201033r5b50adcp3561e3bb9a4dd5b5@mail.gmail.com> <20060920122002.D65226@rossiters.com> Message-ID: OK, poll closed. No FS: or FA: to be posted on TTL. Thanks for the posts and emails folks! John :-#)# From Corey at Stup.net Wed Sep 20 15:45:14 2006 From: Corey at Stup.net (Corey Stup) Date: Wed Sep 20 15:45:19 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] POLL: Re: FS... In-Reply-To: <20060920122002.D65226@rossiters.com> References: <468kiTc1U7472S15.1158720826@cmsweb15.cms.usa.net> <9e9ac7880609201033r5b50adcp3561e3bb9a4dd5b5@mail.gmail.com> <20060920122002.D65226@rossiters.com> Message-ID: <45119A4A.4020401@Stup.net> Matt Rossiter wrote: > Not to drag this "non-techtools" topic on too long. But how 'bout we > just can the whole idea of doing a FS: or especially a FA: - In my > opinion, there is always the unspoken rule that if you REALLY DO have > something of interest to sell, such as a motherload of Atari CAT Boxes > you can go ahead and "Mention it". But I think most of us aren't too > interested in relatively easy to find stuff. Personally I don't mind the occasional "FS" post. I for one have used the FS to sell some semi-obscure stuff, rather than resorting to eBay. I've bought test equipment via TTL as well, since I feel like its better represented than something from some TE broker on eBay. I may be biased, as I've sold stuff on TTL before, and would like to be able to do it in the future. A classified type post is not noise to me, but I'm always buying and selling anyway. My suggestion would just be that if anyone abuses it (posting weekly advertising for a commercial venture), just unsubscribe them on a case by case basis. TTL is low enough bandwidth that its never bothered me getting anything marked [TTL], even mixed in with all the hundreds of emails I get daily. From inbox at phillipeaton.com Wed Sep 20 15:52:10 2006 From: inbox at phillipeaton.com (Phillip Eaton) Date: Wed Sep 20 15:52:06 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No FA: or FS: is my choice. Phil > -----Original Message----- > From: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com > [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com]On Behalf Of John Robertson > Sent: 20 September 2006 20:43 > To: Technical Tools Mail List > Subject: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS: > > > OK, poll closed. > > No FS: or FA: to be posted on TTL. > > Thanks for the posts and emails folks! > > John :-#)# > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From pharwood at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 20 16:07:46 2006 From: pharwood at bellsouth.net (Phil) Date: Wed Sep 20 16:07:51 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS: References: Message-ID: <001801c6dcf0$7122b6c0$c501a8c0@office> John, I hope you continue to allow the mention and or listing of some equipment/material that is related. I recall one person discovered a pile of Fluke equipment and modules that was virtually considered a gold mine. That was, and is a very constructive use of the board in the interest of the community. What I was objecting to was the Spam style ads, which are irrelevant to the industry. As I stated, I have a warehouse of stuff to liquidate, I question the wisdom of listing pages of "stuff" for sale here. That was my objection, as I would guess most others that monitor the board. Until this F-5 ad, things were going along rather smoothly being a low volume board. Personally, I and would guess most, don't have time to start scanning lists of sale items for something relevant along with other discussions. Perhaps you could start another board that list only items for sale, that would be a venue all to sell listing in more detail equipment, parts, or anything else. This seems to be a rather small community so I would question the wisdom of just saying "no" across the board. At least let it continue as it was, and if someone abuses it, slap them on the wrist, if needed, pull their plug ! A thought. Phil. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Eaton" To: "Technical Tools Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS: > No FA: or FS: is my choice. > > Phil > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com > > [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com]On Behalf Of John Robertson > > Sent: 20 September 2006 20:43 > > To: Technical Tools Mail List > > Subject: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS: > > > > > > OK, poll closed. > > > > No FS: or FA: to be posted on TTL. > > > > Thanks for the posts and emails folks! > > > > John :-#)# > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Techtoolslist mailing list > > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From c.cowgill at comcast.net Wed Sep 20 16:23:57 2006 From: c.cowgill at comcast.net (Clay Cowgill) Date: Wed Sep 20 16:24:04 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004e01c6dcf2$b37f0440$6700a8c0@ClayP4New> Dang, pretty short poll there John-- hope that people were reading and responding while at work! ;-) Personally I like and value the FS postings of equipment appropriate to the list-- troubleshooters, o'scopes, logic analyzers, device programmers, etc. I for one would offer equipment here for sale before eBay simply because I "know" the potential buyers a bit more. Similarly I'd feel better buying used gear from someone here that I've read posts from for years rather than just some random guy on eBay... If it were *my* choice, I'd simply make the rule a little flexible-- "occasional FS/FA posts for equipment appropriate to the subject matter of the list are permissable as long as they don't get to be a problem and are identified by FA or FS in the subject line". You get to define "problem" when it becomes one. ;-) People that don't want to see the FA/FS can just filter based on the subject. Volume on this list is really, really low, so if I have to hit 'delete' twice in the last two months to get rid of all the FS posts, it's worth it to have the opportunity to maybe get a piece of gear I need later down the road... Just my $0.02! -Clay From jrr at flippers.com Wed Sep 20 16:26:24 2006 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed Sep 20 16:26:30 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS: In-Reply-To: <001801c6dcf0$7122b6c0$c501a8c0@office> References: <001801c6dcf0$7122b6c0$c501a8c0@office> Message-ID: Deals that are special to members of TTL are fine, just general FS or FA won't. If someone isn't sure if their post if OK, simply email me and I'll let you know if it fits within the rather flexible parameters. Mostly I suspect people don't want mailboxes full of FS/FA that are just as easy to find elsewhere. If you have some good test equipment things you want to clear out, then I suspect that most people would be OK with a very brief note that folks can email privately or discuss on the list if they think it is of general interest. Yes, and the list of Fluke stuff was of interest to the group - or a reasonable sub-set. I think the the News Group sci.electronics.misc is a good place to sell stuff, and I read sci.electronics.repair as well. sci.electronics.components on a regular basis. John At 4:07 PM -0400 9/20/06, Phil wrote: >John, >I hope you continue to allow the mention and or listing of some >equipment/material that is related. >I recall one person discovered a pile of Fluke equipment and modules that >was virtually considered a gold mine. That was, and is a very constructive >use of the board in the interest of the community. > >What I was objecting to was the Spam style ads, which are irrelevant to the >industry. As I stated, I have a warehouse of stuff to liquidate, I question >the wisdom of listing pages of "stuff" for sale here. That was my objection, >as I would guess most others that monitor the board. > >Until this F-5 ad, things were going along rather smoothly being a low >volume board. Personally, I and would guess most, don't have time to start >scanning lists of sale items for something relevant along with other >discussions. > >Perhaps you could start another board that list only items for sale, that >would be a venue all to sell listing in more detail equipment, parts, or >anything else. This seems to be a rather small community so I would question >the wisdom of just saying "no" across the board. At least let it continue as >it was, and if someone abuses it, slap them on the wrist, if needed, pull >their plug ! > >A thought. >Phil. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Phillip Eaton" >To: "Technical Tools Mail List" >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 3:52 PM >Subject: RE: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS: > > >> No FA: or FS: is my choice. >> >> Phil >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com >> > [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com]On Behalf Of John Robertson >> > Sent: 20 September 2006 20:43 >> > To: Technical Tools Mail List >> > Subject: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS: >> > >> > >> > OK, poll closed. >> > >> > No FS: or FA: to be posted on TTL. >> > >> > Thanks for the posts and emails folks! >> > >> > John :-#)# >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Techtoolslist mailing list >> > Techtoolslist@flippers.com >> > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist@flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist@flippers.com >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From crhea at mayo.edu Wed Sep 20 16:58:40 2006 From: crhea at mayo.edu (Cris Rhea) Date: Wed Sep 20 17:02:41 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS: In-Reply-To: References: <001801c6dcf0$7122b6c0$c501a8c0@office> Message-ID: <20060920205840.GA26936@kaizen.mayo.edu> On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 01:26:24PM -0700, John Robertson wrote: > > I think the the News Group sci.electronics.misc is a good place to > sell stuff, and I read sci.electronics.repair as well. > sci.electronics.components on a regular basis. > > John I'll second (third?) Phil's and Clay's comments... one of the problems with eBay or newsgroups is that you have to actively seek out specific equipment. If you weren't looking for something at the time, you wouldn't know a deal existed. I'm an old-timer on the Internet and a long-time fan of NetNews, but we're about ready to dismantle our netnews infrastructure because almost everything has gone to e-mail lists or web sites. I don't disagree with your comments/rules about occasional postings FS/FA for "the group", but even the recent power supply sale (and subsequent comments about using them for pachinko machines) was of value to me (I have a machine that needs a power supply). Sure, I can find a 9V/1A supply at any number of places, but the comment about their use got me thinking (I had no idea what voltage/current a pachinko machine needs)... --- Cris From mlists at zonn.com Wed Sep 20 21:00:28 2006 From: mlists at zonn.com (Zonn) Date: Wed Sep 20 20:57:29 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS: In-Reply-To: References: <001801c6dcf0$7122b6c0$c501a8c0@office> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:26:24 -0700, John Robertson wrote: >Deals that are special to members of TTL are fine, just general FS or FA won't. > >If someone isn't sure if their post if OK, simply email me and I'll >let you know if it fits within the rather flexible parameters. Mostly >I suspect people don't want mailboxes full of FS/FA that are just as >easy to find elsewhere. > >If you have some good test equipment things you want to clear out, >then I suspect that most people would be OK with a very brief note >that folks can email privately or discuss on the list if they think >it is of general interest. > >Yes, and the list of Fluke stuff was of interest to the group - or a >reasonable sub-set. > >I think the the News Group sci.electronics.misc is a good place to >sell stuff, and I read sci.electronics.repair as well. >sci.electronics.components on a regular basis. I've come in too late for the poll, but the above sounds ideal to me. -Zonn From martin at guddler.co.uk Thu Sep 21 04:59:36 2006 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (Martin White) Date: Thu Sep 21 05:05:10 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS:eed. In-Reply-To: <004e01c6dcf2$b37f0440$6700a8c0@ClayP4New> References: <004e01c6dcf2$b37f0440$6700a8c0@ClayP4New> Message-ID: <1370.162.10.18.125.1158829176.squirrel@www.guddler.co.uk:5936> Totally agreed. (Sorry, away working and have only had time to catch this one email) On Wed, September 20, 2006 9:23 pm, Clay Cowgill wrote: > Dang, pretty short poll there John-- hope that people were reading and > responding while at work! ;-) > > Personally I like and value the FS postings of equipment appropriate to > the > list-- troubleshooters, o'scopes, logic analyzers, device programmers, > etc. > > I for one would offer equipment here for sale before eBay simply because I > "know" the potential buyers a bit more. Similarly I'd feel better buying > used gear from someone here that I've read posts from for years rather > than > just some random guy on eBay... > > If it were *my* choice, I'd simply make the rule a little flexible-- > "occasional FS/FA posts for equipment appropriate to the subject matter of > the list are permissable as long as they don't get to be a problem and are > identified by FA or FS in the subject line". You get to define "problem" > when it becomes one. ;-) People that don't want to see the FA/FS can just > filter based on the subject. > > Volume on this list is really, really low, so if I have to hit 'delete' > twice in the last two months to get rid of all the FS posts, it's worth it > to have the opportunity to maybe get a piece of gear I need later down the > road... > > Just my $0.02! > > -Clay > > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > From mail at nessandsteve.plus.com Thu Sep 21 08:09:54 2006 From: mail at nessandsteve.plus.com (Mail) Date: Thu Sep 21 07:40:41 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS: Message-ID: <3e1c6a7f12ad1d010839f7ae0a3d4d49@webmail.plus.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20060921/f0f2850d/attachment.html From prototech at usa.net Thu Sep 21 07:50:17 2006 From: prototech at usa.net (William E Miller) Date: Thu Sep 21 07:50:22 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Re: Poll closed! No to FA: or FS: Message-ID: <033kiuLxR4802S08.1158839417@uwdvg008.cms.usa.net> Other lists have allow for sale posts on the first day of each month. Just my two cents worth. I mean for when the NEXT poll comes up! *grin* William E. Miller, ASEET prototech@usa.net Indiana USA From jrr at flippers.com Tue Sep 26 00:33:46 2006 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Tue Sep 26 00:33:35 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Archiving 1702 eproms. In-Reply-To: References: <001801c6dcf0$7122b6c0$c501a8c0@office> <20060920205840.GA26936@kaizen.mayo.edu> Message-ID: Anyone know of an Eprom reader/burner for the ancient 1702 EPROMs? I have a couple of early pinball games that I would really like to archive the data and have nothing to read these suckers with. My Data I/O 29B doesn't go back that far. Reading the archive on Jeb Margola's web site didn't help as it only talks about programming the suckers, not the settings to read them. Used -47VDC in the programming! These are very rare games, Recel Mr. Evil, Crazy Race, and Interflip Alasaka - the games are running on the Rockwell PPS4/8 system very similar to Gottlieb's System 1. They called it System III for some reason. no idea what System I or II were... I do not want to send the EPROMS out to get read, would rather borrow the reader, archive them, then return the reader. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From pinthetic at gmail.com Tue Sep 26 02:09:41 2006 From: pinthetic at gmail.com (Mario Van Cleave) Date: Tue Sep 26 02:09:46 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Archiving 1702 eproms. In-Reply-To: References: <001801c6dcf0$7122b6c0$c501a8c0@office> <20060920205840.GA26936@kaizen.mayo.edu> Message-ID: <9ffdbbc30609252309o10fe99a4iaa6e8d7a4977f3cf@mail.gmail.com> Whoa...mine does this if you want to spend $700 for the adapter. Blew me away! You just might want to send these out. http://www.arlabs.com/adapters.htm#PLCC%20TO%20DIP%20ADAPTERS Mario On 9/25/06, John Robertson wrote: > > Anyone know of an Eprom reader/burner for the ancient 1702 EPROMs? I > have a couple of early pinball games that I would really like to > archive the data and have nothing to read these suckers with. My Data > I/O 29B doesn't go back that far. Reading the archive on Jeb > Margola's web site didn't help as it only talks about programming the > suckers, not the settings to read them. Used -47VDC in the > programming! > > These are very rare games, Recel Mr. Evil, Crazy Race, and Interflip > Alasaka - the games are running on the Rockwell PPS4/8 system very > similar to Gottlieb's System 1. They called it System III for some > reason. no idea what System I or II were... > > I do not want to send the EPROMS out to get read, would rather borrow > the reader, archive them, then return the reader. > > > John :-#)# > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20060925/6cd21cab/attachment.htm From pharwood at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 26 02:43:10 2006 From: pharwood at bellsouth.net (Phil) Date: Tue Sep 26 02:43:14 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Archiving 1702 eproms. References: <001801c6dcf0$7122b6c0$c501a8c0@office><20060920205840.GA26936@kaizen.mayo.edu> <9ffdbbc30609252309o10fe99a4iaa6e8d7a4977f3cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001401c6e137$08b7ec40$c501a8c0@office> The Intel 1702 is Intel's first EPROM from 1969 I doubt someone is going to "loan" you that programmer. I think I still have one (programmer) in our other shop. If so what ya give for it, purchase price? Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: Mario Van Cleave To: Technical Tools Mail List Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Archiving 1702 eproms. Whoa...mine does this if you want to spend $700 for the adapter. Blew me away! You just might want to send these out. http://www.arlabs.com/adapters.htm#PLCC%20TO%20DIP%20ADAPTERS Mario On 9/25/06, John Robertson wrote: Anyone know of an Eprom reader/burner for the ancient 1702 EPROMs? I have a couple of early pinball games that I would really like to archive the data and have nothing to read these suckers with. My Data I/O 29B doesn't go back that far. Reading the archive on Jeb Margola's web site didn't help as it only talks about programming the suckers, not the settings to read them. Used -47VDC in the programming! These are very rare games, Recel Mr. Evil, Crazy Race, and Interflip Alasaka - the games are running on the Rockwell PPS4/8 system very similar to Gottlieb's System 1. They called it System III for some reason. no idea what System I or II were... I do not want to send the EPROMS out to get read, would rather borrow the reader, archive them, then return the reader. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20060926/b149f574/attachment.html From pharwood at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 26 02:51:13 2006 From: pharwood at bellsouth.net (Phil) Date: Tue Sep 26 02:51:17 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Archiving 1702 eproms. References: <001801c6dcf0$7122b6c0$c501a8c0@office><20060920205840.GA26936@kaizen.mayo.edu><9ffdbbc30609252309o10fe99a4iaa6e8d7a4977f3cf@mail.gmail.com> <001401c6e137$08b7ec40$c501a8c0@office> Message-ID: <001201c6e138$288c9d80$c501a8c0@office> Is this the one ? I think we used those in some equipment we built in the early 70's. That's why I think I still have a unit that burns them. I'll have to do some digging, been a while ! Phil http://www.computermuseum.li/Testpage/Chip-Intel1702EPROM.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil To: Technical Tools Mail List Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Archiving 1702 eproms. The Intel 1702 is Intel's first EPROM from 1969 I doubt someone is going to "loan" you that programmer. I think I still have one (programmer) in our other shop. If so what ya give for it, purchase price? Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: Mario Van Cleave To: Technical Tools Mail List Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Archiving 1702 eproms. Whoa...mine does this if you want to spend $700 for the adapter. Blew me away! You just might want to send these out. http://www.arlabs.com/adapters.htm#PLCC%20TO%20DIP%20ADAPTERS Mario On 9/25/06, John Robertson wrote: Anyone know of an Eprom reader/burner for the ancient 1702 EPROMs? I have a couple of early pinball games that I would really like to archive the data and have nothing to read these suckers with. My Data I/O 29B doesn't go back that far. Reading the archive on Jeb Margola's web site didn't help as it only talks about programming the suckers, not the settings to read them. Used -47VDC in the programming! These are very rare games, Recel Mr. Evil, Crazy Race, and Interflip Alasaka - the games are running on the Rockwell PPS4/8 system very similar to Gottlieb's System 1. They called it System III for some reason. no idea what System I or II were... I do not want to send the EPROMS out to get read, would rather borrow the reader, archive them, then return the reader. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If that falls through then I will chat with you further. If I do get a working 1702 burner then I will offer archive (read and store data) services to the TTL group - within reason! John ;-#)# At 2:43 AM -0400 9/26/06, Phil wrote: >The Intel 1702 is Intel's first EPROM from 1969 >I doubt someone is going to "loan" you that programmer. >I think I still have one (programmer) in our other shop. If so what >ya give for it, purchase price? >Phil > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mario Van Cleave >To: Technical Tools Mail List >Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:09 AM >Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Archiving 1702 eproms. > >Whoa...mine does this if you want to spend $700 for the adapter. >Blew me away! You just might want to send these out. > >http://www.arlabs.com/adapters.htm#PLCC%20TO%20DIP%20ADAPTERS > >Mario > > >On 9/25/06, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote: > >Anyone know of an Eprom reader/burner for the ancient 1702 EPROMs? I >have a couple of early pinball games that I would really like to >archive the data and have nothing to read these suckers with. My Data >I/O 29B doesn't go back that far. Reading the archive on Jeb >Margola's web site didn't help as it only talks about programming the >suckers, not the settings to read them. Used -47VDC in the >programming! > >These are very rare games, Recel Mr. Evil, Crazy Race, and Interflip >Alasaka - the games are running on the Rockwell PPS4/8 system very >similar to Gottlieb's System 1. They called it System III for some >reason. no idea what System I or II were... > >I do not want to send the EPROMS out to get read, would rather borrow >the reader, archive them, then return the reader. > > >John :-#)# >-- >John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 >Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com >"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist@flippers.com >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist@flippers.com >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist@flippers.com >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20060926/418844f2/attachment.html From pharwood at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 26 16:22:34 2006 From: pharwood at bellsouth.net (Phil) Date: Tue Sep 26 16:22:47 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Archiving 1702 eproms. References: <001801c6dcf0$7122b6c0$c501a8c0@office><20060920205840.GA26936@kaizen.mayo.edu><9ffdbbc30609252309o10fe99a4iaa6e8d7a4977f3cf@mail.gmail.com><001401c6e137$08b7ec40$c501a8c0@office> Message-ID: <002b01c6e1a9$854a4ec0$c501a8c0@office> Re: [Techtoolslist] Archiving 1702 eproms.John, I have no use for it anymore. Mike sent me a note about it so my reply to him is at bottom. When I find it, I'll just sent it to Mike for the shipping. I need to empty that building (5000 foot of old stuff) anyway. Mike, I'll look for that unit as soon as I can, perhaps this weekend. It's in I building I use primarily for storage so it's not a 5 minute search. I don't need the thing anymore and doubt it's been used in 20 years. I'll get back with you on it ASAP. Unit has little to no value to me nowadays. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: John Robertson To: Technical Tools Mail List Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Archiving 1702 eproms. Hi Phil, Well, I did find a 1702 programmer that I am negotiating on. If that falls through then I will chat with you further. If I do get a working 1702 burner then I will offer archive (read and store data) services to the TTL group - within reason! John ;-#)# At 2:43 AM -0400 9/26/06, Phil wrote: The Intel 1702 is Intel's first EPROM from 1969 I doubt someone is going to "loan" you that programmer. I think I still have one (programmer) in our other shop. If so what ya give for it, purchase price? Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: Mario Van Cleave To: Technical Tools Mail List Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Archiving 1702 eproms. Whoa...mine does this if you want to spend $700 for the adapter. Blew me away! You just might want to send these out. http://www.arlabs.com/adapters.htm#PLCC%20TO%20DIP%20ADAPTERS Mario On 9/25/06, John Robertson wrote: Anyone know of an Eprom reader/burner for the ancient 1702 EPROMs? I have a couple of early pinball games that I would really like to archive the data and have nothing to read these suckers with. My Data I/O 29B doesn't go back that far. Reading the archive on Jeb Margola's web site didn't help as it only talks about programming the suckers, not the settings to read them. Used -47VDC in the programming! These are very rare games, Recel Mr. Evil, Crazy Race, and Interflip Alasaka - the games are running on the Rockwell PPS4/8 system very similar to Gottlieb's System 1. They called it System III for some reason. no idea what System I or II were... I do not want to send the EPROMS out to get read, would rather borrow the reader, archive them, then return the reader. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20060926/bd85df0e/attachment.htm From rlboots at cedar-rapids.net Wed Sep 27 03:57:33 2006 From: rlboots at cedar-rapids.net (Rodger Boots) Date: Wed Sep 27 03:57:50 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Archiving 1702 eproms. In-Reply-To: References: <001801c6dcf0$7122b6c0$c501a8c0@office> <20060920205840.GA26936@kaizen.mayo.edu> Message-ID: <451A2EED.6030905@cedar-rapids.net> John Robertson wrote: > Anyone know of an Eprom reader/burner for the ancient 1702 EPROMs? I > have a couple of early pinball games that I would really like to archive > the data and have nothing to read these suckers with. My Data I/O 29B > doesn't go back that far. Reading the archive on Jeb Margola's web site > didn't help as it only talks about programming the suckers, not the > settings to read them. Used -47VDC in the programming! > > These are very rare games, Recel Mr. Evil, Crazy Race, and Interflip > Alasaka - the games are running on the Rockwell PPS4/8 system very > similar to Gottlieb's System 1. They called it System III for some > reason. no idea what System I or II were... > > I do not want to send the EPROMS out to get read, would rather borrow > the reader, archive them, then return the reader. > > > John :-#)# I went looking for the Pro-Log programmer in the storage garage last night, but only found a few of the adapters. I'll look some more. If I can find it I'll dust it off & see if it still works. ALL the memory in this thing are 1702s, the processor is a 4004! Needless to say, the biggest thing it will handle is 2716s. But it will do ancient! IF it still works. Give me a couple days. From markhooks at earthlink.net Thu Sep 28 19:26:35 2006 From: markhooks at earthlink.net (Mark Hooks) Date: Thu Sep 28 19:26:58 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Trade Fluke Pods? Message-ID: <001501c6e355$8e1d5490$6500a8c0@D9H12R41> James, I was searching the archive and found the post below where you were looking to trade pods. I figure you found one by now but on the off chance you didnt, I'm interested. Mark Hooks Anybody interested in trading Fluke pods? I have an extra working 8088 and need a working 8080, looking for a straight trade. Please email me if interested. Thanks James From crector at pacbell.net Sat Sep 30 16:06:19 2006 From: crector at pacbell.net (Cameron Rector) Date: Sat Sep 30 16:06:35 2006 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Bytek Fireman 8x Message-ID: <20060930200619.4039.qmail@web82506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all, I am new to this site, so I will applogize for dumb questions up front. I have a Bytek fireman 8x and I am having trouble programming TMS2532A's. The programming part goes well until verify. It seams that at address 0800h it fails. It does this on every chip I try. I don't know if this could be a configuration setting or it the unit has a bad solder joint or IC. I did a visual inspection from A11 pin 18 back through the circuit traces and joints, however I didn't find anything wrong. I tried to call Bytek and their phone is disconnected and my email bounced back. So, does anyone here know anything about this machine? Does anyone know where I can get the schmatic's for this programmer? I am a newbe at programming eproms, so don't overlook the fact I could have a software setting wacked out. The first verify error says "ADDS 0800h Ram 01 Device 00" Thanks in advance for the help, Cameron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/attachments/20060930/42a9576c/attachment.html