From warlords at punkass.com Tue Jan 2 13:28:08 2007 From: warlords at punkass.com (andy) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:28:08 -0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 hard disk write errors References: <001e01c72c1f$039d3070$9700a8c0@SERVER> <4596C2F9.2030402@Stup.net> Message-ID: <003101c72e9b$c7d3e5f0$9700a8c0@SERVER> > Not a good sign. Bad drive or SCSI->MFM adaptor. The error reporting > being turned on is key, the format utility itself ignores most other > errors except a bad sector 0. okey doke. > Those Miniscribe drives are lucky they spin up at all anymore. Most > likely its the drive. I have a pile of bad MFM drives from 9100's - > the Seagates all suffer from stiction, the Miniscribes media starts > failing (or the platter motor can't maintain accurate speed anymore)... I believe my 9100 was NOS when i got it in 1998? i used it on an almost daily basis from 2000 to 2005 i would say, then it went into storage for a year, when i got it out of storage, the hard disk wouldn't spin up, after moving the rotator arm i got it going again and its been fine up until now (so its done a few months work now) and then i fudged it up by doing the system upgrade heh. All in all, i've defo had my moneys worth, and can't really fault the drive :) > SInce you've already upgraded to the version 5.0 ROMs, get a used SCSI > drive off eBay and replace it. Plugs right into the SCSI controller you > already have, just remove the SCSI->MFM adaptor mounted on the drive > cage. Much simpler design and one fewer point of failure. So i decided to do just this, looked on ebay, only thing i thought of that i would find a small scsi drive in was an old mac... sure enough i won a mac SE on ebay and went to go get it from south london on the train heh. I thought it might have a 40 or an 80 meg drive, sadly it has the stock components, 1mb ram (256k simms) and a 20meg scsi hard drive... and when i booted it up, it sounds suspiciously like the fluke...... > Note that if you plan on using the Editor (with a keyboard/monitor) > you'll need to stick below somewhere around a 400MB drive. Theres a > rollover bug where the free-space calculation is not accurate with > larger disks. I believe the largest drive I have in any of my 9100's > from Fluke is 320MB. I usually try and get one of the 1/2" height > Quantums (like a LPS series), eBay usually has a selection of cheap > pulls from old Macs. so, on cracking open the mac, what should lay before me, but a Miniscribe 8425S hahaha the scsi version of the mfm that died... still, it works, and i'm willing to give it a go... pulled from a fully working mac remember... but the problem now is that i can't seem to format it from the service disk, which format option should be used to format it? old setup was western digital/miniscribe 8425... options are : - western digital / miniscribe 8425 - western digital / tandon tm362 - adaptec 4000 / miniscribe 8425 - adaptec 5000 / miniscribe 8425 - rodime 6052 with disconnect - rodime 6052 without disconnect - rodime ro3057s after choosing to format under any of these configs, I get a further option of formatting with dma or without dma, which option should be selected? i've tried a few combos and everything so far is giving me errors one way or the other.. i would assume that adaptec 8425 would be about right, but nothing works so far.. unfortunately none of the errors stay on the display long enough for me to read them/write them down, stupid software. anyone have an idea of which is the right combo to try? cos if that doesn't work then maybe something else is up? also, might i be missing something on the scsi ID setting, would this cause these sorts of problems? it came from the mac, so would assume id:0 .. is this what the old mfm controller tells the scsi interface that its plugged into? or is it another id? thanks in advance Andy From Corey at Stup.net Tue Jan 2 13:34:55 2007 From: Corey at Stup.net (Corey Stup) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 13:34:55 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 hard disk write errors In-Reply-To: <003101c72e9b$c7d3e5f0$9700a8c0@SERVER> References: <001e01c72c1f$039d3070$9700a8c0@SERVER> <4596C2F9.2030402@Stup.net> <003101c72e9b$c7d3e5f0$9700a8c0@SERVER> Message-ID: <459AA5CF.2080608@Stup.net> > > So i decided to do just this, looked on ebay, only thing i thought of that i > would find a small scsi drive in was an old mac... sure enough i won a mac > SE on ebay and went to go get it from south london on the train heh. I > thought it might have a 40 or an 80 meg drive, sadly it has the stock > components, 1mb ram (256k simms) and a 20meg scsi hard drive... and when i > booted it up, it sounds suspiciously like the fluke...... > I usually just buy bare drives themselves on eBay, but i guess you got a "free" SE out of the deal! > but the problem now is that i can't seem to format it from the service disk, > which format option should be used to format it? old setup was western > digital/miniscribe 8425... options are : > - western digital / miniscribe 8425 > - western digital / tandon tm362 > - adaptec 4000 / miniscribe 8425 > - adaptec 5000 / miniscribe 8425 > - rodime 6052 with disconnect > - rodime 6052 without disconnect > - rodime ro3057s > > after choosing to format under any of these configs, I get a further option > of formatting with dma or without dma, which option should be selected? > You need to use the V1.4 service disk, which has the "scsi format" options. You'll set it to a generic SCSI drive (either 256 or 512 byte sectors), instead of all those specific options. The setup/format utility disk you're using doesn't have the correct options for formatting a generic SCSI disk. > also, might i be missing something on the scsi ID setting, would this cause > these sorts of problems? it came from the mac, so would assume id:0 .. is > this what the old mfm controller tells the scsi interface that its plugged > into? or is it another id? > HD0 maps to device 0 with the standard device descriptors that Fluke provided, and yes, thats what the MFM adaptor maps to. The tape backup would run device 1 if you installed that externally. From warlords at punkass.com Tue Jan 2 15:21:38 2007 From: warlords at punkass.com (andy) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:21:38 -0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 hard disk write errors References: <001e01c72c1f$039d3070$9700a8c0@SERVER> <4596C2F9.2030402@Stup.net><003101c72e9b$c7d3e5f0$9700a8c0@SERVER> <459AA5CF.2080608@Stup.net> Message-ID: <009b01c72eab$9fbdcd50$9700a8c0@SERVER> > I usually just buy bare drives themselves on eBay, but i guess you got a > "free" SE out of the deal! heh yeh, total lack of small scsi drives on ebay at the moment it seems, all are 1gig+ > You need to use the V1.4 service disk, which has the "scsi format" > options. You'll set it to a generic SCSI drive (either 256 or 512 byte > sectors), instead of all those specific options. The setup/format > utility disk you're using doesn't have the correct options for > formatting a generic SCSI disk. ok, that makes sense... now the problem is that i have tried the service disk from flippers ftp that i think is marked 09/02 CSS only... that is the one that had the afformentioned options (none for scsi) so i found the v6 service disk (well, it was in the v6 rar) and tried to boot on that, the 9100 says something like 'the disk does not match your board' so i can only assume that this is a serial number issue (godamn you fluke). so that disk is out of bounds.. i've searched through every other rar in the flippers ftp for the 1.4 service disk and cannot find it... if you have the 1.4 service disk corey, could you dump it through teledisk and send it to me (and flippers i guess) ? i'm hoping it doesn't have the serial number issue like the v6 disk i just tried, do you have the original corey? i wonder if its matched to your system... i tried the hdr-flop.td0 in case it might have a utility on it, but it doesn't boot the 9100 like the system or the service disks... This is turning into a bit of an epic, but if i am successful then i'll do a write-up on how to do it, save other people a lot of time and effort :) Andy From joemagiera at ameritech.net Thu Jan 4 10:20:09 2007 From: joemagiera at ameritech.net (Joseph Magiera) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 07:20:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Techtoolslist] What IC is this? what does it do? Message-ID: <483003.71696.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I know this is a tech-tools list, but I'm hoping someone here can identify a chip for me. 18 pin, NMOS8342-A MS2620F-15 The "6" in the second line could be a "G" I guess, but I really think it's a 6. But it could be MS2G20F-15. I'm guessing the 8342 is the year and week code, but I can't find anything on 2620 (or 2G20). I'm guessing some type of RAM, but that's totally a guess. Also, in rotated text, to the left and perpendicular to the text above, in capital block letters is AEZ. It sure appears this is a manufacturers symbol or abbreviation, but I can't find anything on that either. Anyone have any ideas or clues? Thanks, Joe joemagiera at ameritech.net From jrr at flippers.com Thu Jan 4 11:12:36 2007 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 08:12:36 -0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] What IC is this? what does it do? In-Reply-To: <483003.71696.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <483003.71696.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 7:20 AM -0800 1/4/07, Joseph Magiera wrote: >I know this is a tech-tools list, but I'm hoping someone here can >identify a chip for me. > > 18 pin, > > NMOS8342-A > MS2620F-15 > > The "6" in the second line could be a "G" I guess, but I really >think it's a 6. But it could be MS2G20F-15. > > I'm guessing the 8342 is the year and week code, but I can't find >anything on 2620 (or 2G20). I'm guessing some type of RAM, but >that's totally a guess. > > Also, in rotated text, to the left and perpendicular to the text >above, in capital block letters is AEZ. It sure appears this is a >manufacturers symbol or abbreviation, but I can't find anything on >that either. > > Anyone have any ideas or clues? Thanks, > >Joe joemagiera at ameritech.net According to my IC MASTER (1986) that was made by INMOS and is a 16384X1 150nsF NMOS 18 pin Single 5VDC Dynamic RAM. Substitutes include Fujitsu MB81416, Hitachi HM48416, Mitsubishi M5M4416, and TI TMS4416. 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Candreva) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 09:25:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Techtoolslist] MAILING LIST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, tommy ferrell wrote: > PLEASE REMOVE MY E-MAIL FROM YOUR MAILING LIST Did you try the URL at the bottom of every message ? > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris at westnet.com -- (914) 948-3162 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ From boldenburger at msn.com Fri Jan 5 11:35:28 2007 From: boldenburger at msn.com (Brian Oldenburger) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:35:28 -0600 Subject: [Techtoolslist] unsubscribe Message-ID: unsubscribe From al.sacco at comcast.net Sat Jan 6 17:48:35 2007 From: al.sacco at comcast.net (AL SACCO_comcast) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 17:48:35 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Part out Fluke 9100 References: <001f01c70b81$4921d830$37ea4142@Art> Message-ID: <326901c731e4$ccda1fa0$c600a8c0@c62850a> Art , looking for cage that holds hd to case....... looking for cage that holds floppy to case .... looking for power supply ..... looking for extender board for testing pcb cpu..... please quote for 9100a.......... AL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Mallet - Artfromny" To: Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: [Techtoolslist] Part out Fluke 9100 > Working machine, I have too many of them > > Floppy drive - $30 shipped in US > VFD (display) $90 shipped in US > Keyboard $45 shipped in US > > Inquire for prices on other parts, will combine shipping on more than one > item > > > Art > > > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > From warlords at punkass.com Wed Jan 10 14:14:05 2007 From: warlords at punkass.com (andy) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:14:05 -0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 pod recognition after software install Message-ID: <004301c734eb$90a01e40$9700a8c0@SERVER> hi all. Well, thanks to list members (Al, Corey - thanks!) i got the bits i needed to get my 9100 hard disk replaced... i can now use it again for the most part.. as previously threatened, i have made a page up of the ordeal involved in the hopes it will probably save someone else a whole bunch of time :) http://www.andysarcade.net/personal/tech/fluke9100/index.htm I am however stuck on one fairly major problem... i can't get the 9100 to see my 8080 pod, and i think it stems from not being able to copy master/user disk 1 over.... so here's some background Firstly the 6502 pod wasn't recognised when the system was reset, so i copied master/user disk 2 from dr1 to hdr and then it works fine.... disk 1 would not copy over, but becasue it was working for now i didn't disturb it.... until i went to use my 8080 pod and i get the following error: 'pod name does not match data base name.' (same as the 6502 pod error before) So i set about making new master/user disk 1, thinking it was a disk or transfer error. The fluke error that fails while copying is 'File not accessible' which doesn't sound like a floppy error, but i thought i'd have to give it a go... 5 disks later still no change... So i thought of trying the master/user disks from the v4.1 distribution... same error copying disk 1 again... hmm I decided to install system 4.1 and copy the 4.1 user disks over again and see if the problem was the same... and it at least confirmed what i thought, its not actually a floppy fault, its something on the hard disk. The error this time is reported differently by the 4.1 system software as : 'INTERNAL ERROR 5243: Trying to copy a file over a directory'. So that does at least give a bit more of an idea of what is going on, and that its not a floppy issue, but maybe a pre-existing directory on the hard disk that the disk is trying to copy on top of, and failing... I don't really want to, but it might be worth formatting the hard disk (again) and installing system 6.0 afresh.... Before, i formatted the hard disk, installed v6.0 system software, then copied the programmer disk over, and now i'm trying to copy the master/user disks over... is it feasable that the programmer disk might create a directory that the master/user disk also wants to create and fails becasue its too damn stupid to handle it? i'm thinking it could maybe be a disk installation sequence issue.. any ideas from anyone? thanks Andy From warlords at punkass.com Wed Jan 10 15:31:41 2007 From: warlords at punkass.com (andy) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:31:41 -0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 pod recognition after software install References: <004301c734eb$90a01e40$9700a8c0@SERVER> Message-ID: <005001c734f6$5c20a170$9700a8c0@SERVER> ok, I suppose I should have tried it before posting, but the process of writing the email made me think about the disk install sequnce as i suspected... sure enough, i formatted the drive and installed in the order i thought might make sense, and it now works! i updated my page to reflect this... so now to install more ram and get my machine from 2mb to 4mb.... Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy" To: "Technical Tools Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:14 PM Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 pod recognition after software install > hi all. > > Well, thanks to list members (Al, Corey - thanks!) i got the bits i needed > to get my 9100 hard disk replaced... i can now use it again for the most > part.. as previously threatened, i have made a page up of the ordeal > involved in the hopes it will probably save someone else a whole bunch of [snip] From jrr at flippers.com Wed Jan 10 18:10:11 2007 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:10:11 -0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 pod recognition after software install In-Reply-To: <005001c734f6$5c20a170$9700a8c0@SERVER> References: <004301c734eb$90a01e40$9700a8c0@SERVER> <005001c734f6$5c20a170$9700a8c0@SERVER> Message-ID: At 8:31 PM +0000 1/10/07, andy wrote: >ok, I suppose I should have tried it before posting, but the process of >writing the email made me think about the disk install sequnce as i >suspected... > >sure enough, i formatted the drive and installed in the order i thought >might make sense, and it now works! i updated my page to reflect this... > >so now to install more ram and get my machine from 2mb to 4mb.... > >Andy > >... http://www.andysarcade.net/personal/tech/fluke9100/index.htm Great work Andy, I recommend that folks bookmark that page! I'm going to download and post up the V1.4 service disk. I was planning on upgrading my 9100s to SCSI in the near future! Thanks, John :-#)# From jrr at flippers.com Wed Jan 10 18:15:46 2007 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:15:46 -0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Mysterious FTP file... In-Reply-To: <005001c734f6$5c20a170$9700a8c0@SERVER> References: <004301c734eb$90a01e40$9700a8c0@SERVER> <005001c734f6$5c20a170$9700a8c0@SERVER> Message-ID: I found a file in the "TTL incoming" FTP site labeled "AEv2.dmg" Does anyone know what it is? Reluctant to touch it other than to simply delete it. It is a bit large too - 180mb! John :-#)# From ayeckley at sierralobo.com Wed Jan 10 22:56:58 2007 From: ayeckley at sierralobo.com (Alex Yeckley) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:56:58 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 pod recognition after software install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c73534$8ae60390$0c01a8c0@office> >sure enough, i formatted the drive Anyone familiar with the "controller returned error f6h" message? I'm getting that consistently when I try to format my Miniscribe, regardless of which interleave option I select (0-6). I've swapped out the MFM/SCSI adapter as well as the interface board. IIRC, I'm even getting that message using different drives. Running ROM rev 5, and using Service Disk image 1.4 that Andy provided earlier today. Alex ---- ayeckley at elektronforge.com www.elektronforge.com From artfromny at nycap.rr.com Wed Jan 10 23:05:53 2007 From: artfromny at nycap.rr.com (Art Mallet - Artfromny) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:05:53 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 pod recognition after software install References: <000601c73534$8ae60390$0c01a8c0@office> Message-ID: <005501c73535$ca0ae940$37ea4142@Art> UPS on the 2 boxes was 44.72 I had NO idea these things were so damn complicated - I will stick to the 9010 for my own use :) Remember I have one more main unit, complete, for sale - I also sold one that I may have to take back (bad HDD) - if you have any interest in them Art ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Yeckley" To: "'Technical Tools Mail List'" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 pod recognition after software install > >sure enough, i formatted the drive > > Anyone familiar with the "controller returned error f6h" message? I'm > getting that consistently when I try to format my Miniscribe, regardless > of > which interleave option I select (0-6). I've swapped out the MFM/SCSI > adapter as well as the interface board. IIRC, I'm even getting that > message > using different drives. Running ROM rev 5, and using Service Disk image > 1.4 > that Andy provided earlier today. > > Alex > ---- > ayeckley at elektronforge.com > www.elektronforge.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > From artfromny at nycap.rr.com Wed Jan 10 23:16:56 2007 From: artfromny at nycap.rr.com (Art Mallet - Artfromny) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:16:56 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 pod recognition after software install References: <000601c73534$8ae60390$0c01a8c0@office> <005501c73535$ca0ae940$37ea4142@Art> Message-ID: <006001c73537$54f38f70$37ea4142@Art> Sorry, that should not have made it to the list Art ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Mallet - Artfromny" To: ; "Technical Tools Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 pod recognition after software install > UPS on the 2 boxes was 44.72 > > I had NO idea these things were so damn complicated - I will stick to the > 9010 for my own use :) > Remember I have one more main unit, complete, for sale - I also sold one > that I may have to take back (bad HDD) - if you have any interest in them > Art > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Yeckley" > To: "'Technical Tools Mail List'" > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 pod recognition after software > install > > >> >sure enough, i formatted the drive >> >> Anyone familiar with the "controller returned error f6h" message? I'm >> getting that consistently when I try to format my Miniscribe, regardless >> of >> which interleave option I select (0-6). I've swapped out the MFM/SCSI >> adapter as well as the interface board. IIRC, I'm even getting that >> message >> using different drives. Running ROM rev 5, and using Service Disk image >> 1.4 >> that Andy provided earlier today. >> >> Alex >> ---- >> ayeckley at elektronforge.com >> www.elektronforge.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > From warlords at punkass.com Sun Jan 14 13:25:38 2007 From: warlords at punkass.com (andy) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:25:38 -0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 signature analysis? Message-ID: <000701c7380a$5149fbe0$9700a8c0@SERVER> hi all. has anyone come up with a scheme for using the 9100 for standalone signature analysis? ie using a NOP adapter in the cpu socket, and using the probe to read node signatures from the display in UFI mode? I have managed to take stable signatures from a few nodes, but i can't guarantee the accuracy or extent of the test.. This was on a missile commnad, i'm using theta 2 as clk, start is on A15.. [sync probe to ext enable always clock | start | stop count 1000] (clock down arrow, start down arrow) then, place probe on node under test, and hit [probe arm], then [probe show] So basically it generates a CRC from 1000 samples after the falling start edge, which i suppose is a clunky way of sampling a repeating pattern (a nop adapter). But is this really a reliable way of taking signatures? i havn't managed to get the start/stop rising/falling edge combination right to get stable signatures any other way, am i missing something, and what start/stop scheme do you guys use? (if any!) interested to hear back from you.. Andy From ayeckley at sierralobo.com Mon Jan 15 10:24:42 2007 From: ayeckley at sierralobo.com (Alex Yeckley) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:24:42 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 MS8425 tip In-Reply-To: <009b01c72eab$9fbdcd50$9700a8c0@SERVER> Message-ID: <006201c738b9$480d87e0$0c01a8c0@office> I thought I'd pass this along since I don't think it's been discussed before. Maybe everyone but me already knew this. Hopefully it formats properly for the TTL - sorry if the text wrapping is horrendous. I recently had three Miniscribe 8425 drives that wouldn't format. I'd get different errors (write errors, usually, but sometimes "drive not ready" errors) depending on which version of the service disk I used (V1.2 versus V1.4), and which OS software I had installed (V3.0 versus V5.0). It seems that the drive activity LED isn't usually populated on the MS8425 (the socket is there, but only one of my drives had the rectangular LED installed), so I went ahead and populated all three. Hmmm, the LED flash pattern is the same on all three drives. Hmmm, the LED flashes that pattern even when everything except the power to the drive is disconnected (even the WD1002S-SHD board). Aha! Some sort of drive self-test is failing on all three drives, and it's not got anything to do with the 9100 after all! There's not much info available out there about the MS8425, BUT there is a little more available for the MS8438 (which is essentially the same drive), including a spec sheet showing a list of LED flash patterns with corresponding error descriptions. Turns out my LED pattern corresponds to "seek error during burn-in or recal". Hmm, OK - must be a problem with the head position sensor. It's a thru-beam flag sensor, so I dust mine off and reseat the connector, only to get the same result. Despite the warning label on the drives admonishing me "do not rotate interrupter", I power things down and rotate interrupter. Power back up and BINGO! No error. Hmm. Power down again. Power up. Still no error. Repeat for the other drives, same result. It seems that the MS8425 is not smart enough to find it's own home position. That's really, really poor design. I found that the "magical" position seems to be with the flag blocking 50% of the thru-beam sensor. I have no idea how my three drives all got moved away from the home position initially, but it sure seems that's what happened. I was finally able to format the drives. Well, sort of. Two of them have "bad system sectors and cannot be used", and the third has 1300+ bad sectors. Folks really weren't kidding when they said the MS8425 was junk. Two small SCSI disks are on order, so I'm sure all my problems are now solved :-) Alex ---- ayeckley at elektronforge.com www.elektronforge.com From jrr at flippers.com Mon Jan 15 12:22:07 2007 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:22:07 -0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 MS8425 tip In-Reply-To: <006201c738b9$480d87e0$0c01a8c0@office> References: <006201c738b9$480d87e0$0c01a8c0@office> Message-ID: At 10:24 AM -0500 1/15/07, Alex Yeckley wrote: >... >corresponding error descriptions. Turns out my LED pattern corresponds to >"seek error during burn-in or recal". Hmm, OK - must be a problem with the >head position sensor. It's a thru-beam flag sensor, so I dust mine off and >reseat the connector, only to get the same result. Despite the warning >label on the drives admonishing me "do not rotate interrupter", I power >things down and rotate interrupter. Power back up and BINGO! No error. >Hmm. Power down again. Power up. Still no error. Repeat for the other >drives, same result. If you rotate the interrupter while the drive is SPINNING it should be safe as the heads are then floating on an air cushion...with the drive powered down you would probably scratch the surface sooner or later. John :-#)# From ajcrm125 at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 22:12:57 2007 From: ajcrm125 at gmail.com (Adam Courchesne) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:12:57 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] RS232 and the Tek 1240 Message-ID: <7fcc300701151912o60d24652j727176a63d79decc@mail.gmail.com> Playing around with my Tek 1240 and it's RS232 module for the first time. Anyonw know how to dump data from this thing? If I connect it to a terminal and hit "Request Acqmem upload" I can see "Status C0" on the PC but that's it. The Tek also says "No carrier" on the upper right. Anyone have a manual or some experience to shed some light on this? Thanks, -- -Adam =============== www.onecircuit.com =============== From chris at hardys.plus.com Thu Jan 18 05:01:19 2007 From: chris at hardys.plus.com (Chris Hardy) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:01:19 +1300 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... Message-ID: <000a01c73ae7$9b2f6760$3c01010a@CHRISPC1> I was curious about the physical differences between the Z80 and the Z80QT pod but there only seems to be a scan of the Z80QT manual. (would be nice to convert a std z80 pod to a qt one) Does anyone have a scan of the standard Z80 manual? I've looked in my old spies TE archive and it's not there or on the TTL ftp Thanks Chris Hardy From steves-lists at dsl.pipex.com Thu Jan 18 05:17:08 2007 From: steves-lists at dsl.pipex.com (steves-lists at dsl.pipex.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:17:08 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... In-Reply-To: <000a01c73ae7$9b2f6760$3c01010a@CHRISPC1> References: <000a01c73ae7$9b2f6760$3c01010a@CHRISPC1> Message-ID: <1169115428.45af49244226c@netmail.pipex.net> Hi Chris, I don't have a scan but I have the manual .. if you don't get a reply, let me know and I can scan it in! BTW, have you moved away/overseas? I've not been hanging out on UKVAC much recently but thought I picked up on it somewhere? Cheers, Steve Coule Quoting Chris Hardy : > > I was curious about the physical differences between the Z80 and the Z80QT > pod but there only seems to be a scan of the Z80QT manual. (would be nice to > > convert a std z80 pod to a qt one) > > Does anyone have a scan of the standard Z80 manual? I've looked in my old > spies TE archive and it's not there or on the TTL ftp > > Thanks > > Chris Hardy > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > -- From jrr at flippers.com Thu Jan 18 12:43:35 2007 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:43:35 -0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... In-Reply-To: <000a01c73ae7$9b2f6760$3c01010a@CHRISPC1> References: <000a01c73ae7$9b2f6760$3c01010a@CHRISPC1> Message-ID: At 11:01 PM +1300 1/18/07, Chris Hardy wrote: >I was curious about the physical differences between the Z80 and the Z80QT >pod but there only seems to be a scan of the Z80QT manual. (would be nice to >convert a std z80 pod to a qt one) > >Does anyone have a scan of the standard Z80 manual? I've looked in my old >spies TE archive and it's not there or on the TTL ftp > >Thanks > >Chris Hardy I do not have a scan of the Z80 pod either. I guess it never was done by any member of TTL. I will put it up if anyone will do the job! John :-#)# From mail at nessandsteve.plus.com Thu Jan 18 17:14:18 2007 From: mail at nessandsteve.plus.com (Ness and Steve) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:14:18 -0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... References: <000a01c73ae7$9b2f6760$3c01010a@CHRISPC1> <1169115428.45af49244226c@netmail.pipex.net> Message-ID: <002901c73b4e$00ef0220$662ba8c0@backflipper> I have the manual and will gladly scan it. I need to send over my abi dds-40xp roms as well so will try to do it this weekend. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Technical Tools Mail List" Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... > Hi Chris, > > I don't have a scan but I have the manual .. if you don't get a reply, let > me > know and I can scan it in! > > BTW, have you moved away/overseas? I've not been hanging out on UKVAC > much > recently but thought I picked up on it somewhere? > > Cheers, > > Steve Coule > > Quoting Chris Hardy : > >> >> I was curious about the physical differences between the Z80 and the >> Z80QT >> pod but there only seems to be a scan of the Z80QT manual. (would be nice >> to >> >> convert a std z80 pod to a qt one) >> >> Does anyone have a scan of the standard Z80 manual? I've looked in my old >> spies TE archive and it's not there or on the TTL ftp >> >> Thanks >> >> Chris Hardy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: > 16/01/2007 16:36 > From al.sacco at comcast.net Thu Jan 18 18:16:33 2007 From: al.sacco at comcast.net (AL SACCO_comcast) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:16:33 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... References: <000a01c73ae7$9b2f6760$3c01010a@CHRISPC1><1169115428.45af49244226c@netmail.pipex.net> <002901c73b4e$00ef0220$662ba8c0@backflipper> Message-ID: <07dd01c73b56$b1f92570$c600a8c0@c62850a> Chris and John were sent z80 manuals............... John was sent 8051 manual................. AL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ness and Steve" To: "Technical Tools Mail List" Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... >I have the manual and will gladly scan it. I need to send over my abi > dds-40xp roms as well so will try to do it this weekend. > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Technical Tools Mail List" > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... > > >> Hi Chris, >> >> I don't have a scan but I have the manual .. if you don't get a reply, >> let >> me >> know and I can scan it in! >> >> BTW, have you moved away/overseas? I've not been hanging out on UKVAC >> much >> recently but thought I picked up on it somewhere? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Steve Coule >> >> Quoting Chris Hardy : >> >>> >>> I was curious about the physical differences between the Z80 and the >>> Z80QT >>> pod but there only seems to be a scan of the Z80QT manual. (would be >>> nice >>> to >>> >>> convert a std z80 pod to a qt one) >>> >>> Does anyone have a scan of the standard Z80 manual? I've looked in my >>> old >>> spies TE archive and it's not there or on the TTL ftp >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Chris Hardy >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> >> -- >> This email has been verified as Virus free >> Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: >> 16/01/2007 16:36 >> > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > From jrr at flippers.com Thu Jan 18 19:34:37 2007 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:34:37 -0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... In-Reply-To: <07dd01c73b56$b1f92570$c600a8c0@c62850a> References: <000a01c73ae7$9b2f6760$3c01010a@CHRISPC1><1169115428.45af49244226c@netmail .pipex.net> <002901c73b4e$00ef0220$662ba8c0@backflipper> <07dd01c73b56$b1f92570$c600a8c0@c62850a> Message-ID: Thanks Al, Am uploading both to FTP TTL Fluke PDF currently, should be there in a little while... John :-#)# At 6:16 PM -0500 1/18/07, AL SACCO_comcast wrote: >Chris and John were sent z80 manuals............... >John was sent 8051 manual................. >AL > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ness and Steve" >To: "Technical Tools Mail List" >Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:14 PM >Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... > > >>I have the manual and will gladly scan it. I need to send over my abi >> dds-40xp roms as well so will try to do it this weekend. >> Steve >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" >> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... >> >> >>> Hi Chris, >>> >>> I don't have a scan but I have the manual .. if you don't get a reply, >>> let >>> me >>> know and I can scan it in! >>> >>> BTW, have you moved away/overseas? I've not been hanging out on UKVAC >>> much >>> recently but thought I picked up on it somewhere? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Steve Coule >>> >>> Quoting Chris Hardy : >>> >>>> >>>> I was curious about the physical differences between the Z80 and the >>>> Z80QT >>>> pod but there only seems to be a scan of the Z80QT manual. (would be >>>> nice >>>> to >>>> >>>> convert a std z80 pod to a qt one) >>>> >>>> Does anyone have a scan of the standard Z80 manual? I've looked in my >>>> old >>>> spies TE archive and it's not there or on the TTL ftp >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Chris Hardy >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been verified as Virus free >>> Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: >>> 16/01/2007 16:36 >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist at flippers.com >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From markhooks at earthlink.net Sat Jan 20 12:00:51 2007 From: markhooks at earthlink.net (Mark Hooks) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:00:51 -0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Techtoolslist Digest, Vol 29, Issue 9 References: Message-ID: <02e201c6dccd$eff36530$6500a8c0@D9H12R41> I have the Z-80 manual already scanned as a PDF. I'll upload it if you'll send me the link. Mark Hooks ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: Techtoolslist Digest, Vol 29, Issue 9 > Send Techtoolslist mailing list submissions to > techtoolslist at flippers.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > techtoolslist-request at flippers.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > techtoolslist-owner at flippers.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Techtoolslist digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... (John Robertson) > 2. Re: Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... (Ness and Steve) > 3. Re: Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... (AL SACCO_comcast) > 4. Re: Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... (John Robertson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:43:35 -0800 > From: John Robertson > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... > To: Technical Tools Mail List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > At 11:01 PM +1300 1/18/07, Chris Hardy wrote: >>I was curious about the physical differences between the Z80 and the Z80QT >>pod but there only seems to be a scan of the Z80QT manual. (would be nice >>to >>convert a std z80 pod to a qt one) >> >>Does anyone have a scan of the standard Z80 manual? I've looked in my old >>spies TE archive and it's not there or on the TTL ftp >> >>Thanks >> >>Chris Hardy > > I do not have a scan of the Z80 pod either. I guess it never was done > by any member of TTL. > > I will put it up if anyone will do the job! > > John :-#)# > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:14:18 -0000 > From: "Ness and Steve" > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... > To: "Technical Tools Mail List" > Message-ID: <002901c73b4e$00ef0220$662ba8c0 at backflipper> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I have the manual and will gladly scan it. I need to send over my abi > dds-40xp roms as well so will try to do it this weekend. > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Technical Tools Mail List" > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... > > >> Hi Chris, >> >> I don't have a scan but I have the manual .. if you don't get a reply, >> let >> me >> know and I can scan it in! >> >> BTW, have you moved away/overseas? I've not been hanging out on UKVAC >> much >> recently but thought I picked up on it somewhere? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Steve Coule >> >> Quoting Chris Hardy : >> >>> >>> I was curious about the physical differences between the Z80 and the >>> Z80QT >>> pod but there only seems to be a scan of the Z80QT manual. (would be >>> nice >>> to >>> >>> convert a std z80 pod to a qt one) >>> >>> Does anyone have a scan of the standard Z80 manual? I've looked in my >>> old >>> spies TE archive and it's not there or on the TTL ftp >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Chris Hardy >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> >> -- >> This email has been verified as Virus free >> Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: >> 16/01/2007 16:36 >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:16:33 -0500 > From: "AL SACCO_comcast" > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... > To: "Ness and Steve" , "Technical Tools > Mail List" > Message-ID: <07dd01c73b56$b1f92570$c600a8c0 at c62850a> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Chris and John were sent z80 manuals............... > John was sent 8051 manual................. > AL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ness and Steve" > To: "Technical Tools Mail List" > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... > > >>I have the manual and will gladly scan it. I need to send over my abi >> dds-40xp roms as well so will try to do it this weekend. >> Steve >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" >> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... >> >> >>> Hi Chris, >>> >>> I don't have a scan but I have the manual .. if you don't get a reply, >>> let >>> me >>> know and I can scan it in! >>> >>> BTW, have you moved away/overseas? I've not been hanging out on UKVAC >>> much >>> recently but thought I picked up on it somewhere? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Steve Coule >>> >>> Quoting Chris Hardy : >>> >>>> >>>> I was curious about the physical differences between the Z80 and the >>>> Z80QT >>>> pod but there only seems to be a scan of the Z80QT manual. (would be >>>> nice >>>> to >>>> >>>> convert a std z80 pod to a qt one) >>>> >>>> Does anyone have a scan of the standard Z80 manual? I've looked in my >>>> old >>>> spies TE archive and it's not there or on the TTL ftp >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Chris Hardy >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been verified as Virus free >>> Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: >>> 16/01/2007 16:36 >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:34:37 -0800 > From: John Robertson > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... > To: Technical Tools Mail List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > Thanks Al, > > Am uploading both to FTP TTL Fluke PDF currently, should be there in > a little while... > > John :-#)# > > At 6:16 PM -0500 1/18/07, AL SACCO_comcast wrote: >>Chris and John were sent z80 manuals............... >>John was sent 8051 manual................. >>AL >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ness and Steve" >>To: "Technical Tools Mail List" >>Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:14 PM >>Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... >> >> >>>I have the manual and will gladly scan it. I need to send over my abi >>> dds-40xp roms as well so will try to do it this weekend. >>> Steve >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" >>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... >>> >>> >>>> Hi Chris, >>>> >>>> I don't have a scan but I have the manual .. if you don't get a reply, >>>> let >>>> me >>>> know and I can scan it in! >>>> >>>> BTW, have you moved away/overseas? I've not been hanging out on UKVAC >>>> much >>>> recently but thought I picked up on it somewhere? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Steve Coule >>>> >>>> Quoting Chris Hardy : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I was curious about the physical differences between the Z80 and the >>>>> Z80QT >>>>> pod but there only seems to be a scan of the Z80QT manual. (would be >>>>> nice >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>> convert a std z80 pod to a qt one) >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have a scan of the standard Z80 manual? I've looked in my >>>>> old >>>>> spies TE archive and it's not there or on the TTL ftp >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Chris Hardy >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>>>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been verified as Virus free >>>> Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: >>>> 16/01/2007 16:36 >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Techtoolslist mailing list >>Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > End of Techtoolslist Digest, Vol 29, Issue 9 > ******************************************** From matt at rossiters.com Mon Jan 22 03:36:30 2007 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:36:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a Troubleshooting w/ Omega Race Message-ID: <20070122002539.S10791@rossiters.com> This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try here. Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I have the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod. First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod. I can see that the Reset line is pulsing. It won't run if I disable the watchdog circuit either. *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test successfully. Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together. Of course, if I put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine. So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod. This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man. thanks Matt From martin at guddler.co.uk Mon Jan 22 08:25:34 2007 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (Martin White) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:25:34 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a Troubleshooting w/ Omega Race In-Reply-To: <20070122002539.S10791@rossiters.com> References: <20070122002539.S10791@rossiters.com> Message-ID: <20070122132534.m3ygx1edlwwogo0s@webmail.guddler.co.uk> I don't have an answer, but Omega Race is Bally / Midway isn't it? Interesting because MCR boards will do pretty much the same thing as well, the Fluke just can't copy with them for some reason, if that's the way to put it. I've not found a resolution to that one yet but to be fair my selection of Fluke hardware to try is pretty limited! Martin. > This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try > here. > > Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I have > the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod. > > First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod. I can see > that the Reset line is pulsing. It won't run if I disable the watchdog > circuit either. *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test > successfully. Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus > test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together. Of course, if I > put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine. > > So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an > Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod. > This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man. > > thanks > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > From ajcrm125 at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 07:24:46 2007 From: ajcrm125 at gmail.com (Adam Courchesne) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 07:24:46 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a Troubleshooting w/ Omega Race In-Reply-To: <20070122132534.m3ygx1edlwwogo0s@webmail.guddler.co.uk> References: <20070122002539.S10791@rossiters.com> <20070122132534.m3ygx1edlwwogo0s@webmail.guddler.co.uk> Message-ID: <7fcc300701220424m679ecab7ob05b7aa5ef7176d2@mail.gmail.com> I had similar situations with several tron boardsets. Turned out the +5V was just low enough to handle the original Z80 but not quite the pod. Once I turned up the voltage a little bit it fired up just fine with the pod and I was able to debug. -Adam =============== www.onecircuit.com =============== On 1/22/07, Martin White wrote: > > I don't have an answer, but Omega Race is Bally / Midway isn't it? > > Interesting because MCR boards will do pretty much the same thing as > well, the Fluke just can't copy with them for some reason, if that's > the way to put it. I've not found a resolution to that one yet but to > be fair my selection of Fluke hardware to try is pretty limited! > > Martin. > > > This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try > > here. > > > > Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I > have > > the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod. > > > > First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod. I can see > > that the Reset line is pulsing. It won't run if I disable the watchdog > > circuit either. *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test > > successfully. Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus > > test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together. Of course, if > I > > put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine. > > > > So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup > an > > Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 > pod. > > This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man. > > > > thanks > > > > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > > Techtoolslist mailing list > > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > From jrr at flippers.com Mon Jan 22 14:01:59 2007 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:01:59 -0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a Troubleshooting w/ Omega Race In-Reply-To: <20070122002539.S10791@rossiters.com> References: <20070122002539.S10791@rossiters.com> Message-ID: I'm beating up an Omega Race board right now for a customer and I find it is not very pod friendly. I found that if one clipped pin 8 (9? - I'm at home right now) of the final reset stage and tied it high that this would deal with the negative RESET stuff. I had a lot (8) of the 2114's that were bad and ended up making my Xeltek Super Pro be able to test those suckers as I do not have a stand-alone RAM tester that would handle the 2114. Problems with reading the Vector ROM/RAM have yet to be solved, even had trouble reading the game ROM for a while - flaky 74LS138. I hate getting working on these corroded boards. Not worth my time, yet too much of a challenge to discard...I love puzzles too much! John :-#)# At 12:36 AM -0800 1/22/07, Matt Rossiter wrote: >This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try >here. > >Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I have >the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod. > >First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod. I can see >that the Reset line is pulsing. It won't run if I disable the watchdog >circuit either. *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test >successfully. Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus >test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together. Of course, if I >put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine. > >So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an >Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod. >This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man. > >thanks > >Matt From matt at rossiters.com Mon Jan 22 18:53:57 2007 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:53:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a Troubleshooting w/ Omega Race In-Reply-To: References: <20070122002539.S10791@rossiters.com> Message-ID: <20070122154454.P28826@rossiters.com> I'll have to try your suggestion. It seems like I can get through the ram tests if I ground pin 1 of k6 (74LS00) and maybe do a manual reset by grounding R107. I just want to get to the point where the game self-test starts to work. I basically use the fluke 9010a ram test(s) to quickly see what data/address lines are faulty. Then it's pretty easy after that. The rom signature test doesn't seem to work right, so I just verify each of them with my rom programer. I did finish fixing one Omega Race today, I just have one more. They are a huge pain because most of the time I have to clean up the corroded mess and rewire some of the damaged traces. Matt On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, John Robertson wrote: > I'm beating up an Omega Race board right now for a customer and I > find it is not very pod friendly. > > I found that if one clipped pin 8 (9? - I'm at home right now) of the > final reset stage and tied it high that this would deal with the > negative RESET stuff. > > I had a lot (8) of the 2114's that were bad and ended up making my > Xeltek Super Pro be able to test those suckers as I do not have a > stand-alone RAM tester that would handle the 2114. > > Problems with reading the Vector ROM/RAM have yet to be solved, even > had trouble reading the game ROM for a while - flaky 74LS138. > > I hate getting working on these corroded boards. Not worth my time, > yet too much of a challenge to discard...I love puzzles too much! > > John :-#)# > > At 12:36 AM -0800 1/22/07, Matt Rossiter wrote: >> This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try >> here. >> >> Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I have >> the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod. >> >> First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod. I can see >> that the Reset line is pulsing. It won't run if I disable the watchdog >> circuit either. *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test >> successfully. Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus >> test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together. Of course, if I >> put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine. >> >> So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an >> Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod. >> This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man. >> >> thanks >> >> Matt > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > From jrr at flippers.com Mon Jan 22 21:51:45 2007 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:51:45 -0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a Troubleshooting w/ Omega Race In-Reply-To: <20070122002539.S10791@rossiters.com> References: <20070122002539.S10791@rossiters.com> Message-ID: At 12:36 AM -0800 1/22/07, Matt Rossiter wrote: >This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try >here. > >Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I have >the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod. > >First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod. I can see >that the Reset line is pulsing. It won't run if I disable the watchdog >circuit either. *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test >successfully. Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus >test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together. Of course, if I >put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine. > >So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an >Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod. >This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man. > >thanks > >Matt This board requires a Z80A CPU, perhaps your Z80 pod CPU is too slow? Try installing a Z80A in the pod (I run a Z80B)... I do know that with pin 8 of RP4 cut and the board side tied high, that I can run the RAM, ROM and I/O tests successfully on an OR that is STILL on my bench. Flacky problems were caused by a bad ground connection to a buffer. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From matt at rossiters.com Tue Jan 23 14:07:09 2007 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:07:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a Troubleshooting w/ Omega Race In-Reply-To: References: <20070122002539.S10791@rossiters.com> Message-ID: <20070123110332.G40256@rossiters.com> Hmm. I didn't think about the Z80 speed issue. I'll have to try that. By the way, since we're on the topic of fixing Omega Race - What do you normally do when you run across a bad 8216 Data Buffer? Do you try to replace them with a 74LS245? Fortunately, I haven't run across this problem yet, but I'm sure it'll come up. Matt On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, John Robertson wrote: > At 12:36 AM -0800 1/22/07, Matt Rossiter wrote: >> This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try >> here. >> >> Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I have >> the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod. >> >> First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod. I can see >> that the Reset line is pulsing. It won't run if I disable the watchdog >> circuit either. *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test >> successfully. Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus >> test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together. Of course, if I >> put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine. >> >> So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an >> Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod. >> This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man. >> >> thanks >> >> Matt > > This board requires a Z80A CPU, perhaps your Z80 pod CPU is too slow? > Try installing a Z80A in the pod (I run a Z80B)... > > I do know that with pin 8 of RP4 cut and the board side tied high, > that I can run the RAM, ROM and I/O tests successfully on an OR that > is STILL on my bench. Flacky problems were caused by a bad ground > connection to a buffer. > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > From warlords at punkass.com Fri Jan 26 18:52:52 2007 From: warlords at punkass.com (andy) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:52:52 -0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100 TL/1 reference manual Message-ID: <00b401c741a5$27c268d0$9700a8c0@SERVER> hi all.. well, after getting my 9100 all running for programming i find myself scratching around for the TL/1 reference manual, i can't find it on flippers, but i hear reference in the ttl archives that James Bright did scan it in 2003.... or am i just being blind? TL/1 is a quirky godamn language thats for sure :) Andy ps - i will be updating my page with how to run the video output to a regular low-res arcade monitor when i get 5 mins. From jrr at flippers.com Fri Jan 26 19:19:01 2007 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:19:01 -0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100 TL/1 reference manual In-Reply-To: <00b401c741a5$27c268d0$9700a8c0@SERVER> References: <00b401c741a5$27c268d0$9700a8c0@SERVER> Message-ID: At 11:52 PM +0000 1/26/07, andy wrote: >hi all.. > > well, after getting my 9100 all running for programming i find myself >scratching around for the TL/1 reference manual, i can't find it on >flippers, but i hear reference in the ttl archives that James Bright did >scan it in 2003.... > >or am i just being blind? > >TL/1 is a quirky godamn language thats for sure :) > >Andy > >ps - i will be updating my page with how to run the video output to a >regular low-res arcade monitor when i get 5 mins. > I have the book, but never scanned it. If no one else has done this book, I can feed it into my auto paper eating scanner... John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/pub/TTL/ From David.Haynes at bombjack.org Fri Jan 26 20:07:14 2007 From: David.Haynes at bombjack.org (David Haynes) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:07:14 -0600 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100 TL/1 reference manual In-Reply-To: <00b401c741a5$27c268d0$9700a8c0@SERVER> Message-ID: <200701270107.l0R17FR5030524@bombjack.org> http://arcarc.xmission.com/Test%20Equipment/Fluke/9100%20Fixture/ David -----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com] On Behalf Of andy Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:53 PM To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100 TL/1 reference manual hi all.. well, after getting my 9100 all running for programming i find myself scratching around for the TL/1 reference manual, i can't find it on flippers, but i hear reference in the ttl archives that James Bright did scan it in 2003.... or am i just being blind? TL/1 is a quirky godamn language thats for sure :) Andy ps - i will be updating my page with how to run the video output to a regular low-res arcade monitor when i get 5 mins. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From ajcrm125 at gmail.com Sat Jan 27 12:47:13 2007 From: ajcrm125 at gmail.com (Adam Courchesne) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:47:13 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Boot disk for HP 16500A Message-ID: <7fcc300701270947m2930b3dy4f18b15cbf1f4749@mail.gmail.com> Anyone know where I can get a boot disk (or whatever disk(s) I need) for the HP 16500A? Thanks, -- -Adam =============== www.onecircuit.com =============== From ajcrm125 at gmail.com Sat Jan 27 13:57:34 2007 From: ajcrm125 at gmail.com (Adam Courchesne) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:57:34 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] HP16500A manual Message-ID: <7fcc300701271057s45ce44c2yad5f59b9786cf5b2@mail.gmail.com> Also looking for a copy of the operators manual for the 16500A. Thanks, -- -Adam =============== www.onecircuit.com =============== From rlboots at cedar-rapids.net Sat Jan 27 15:25:38 2007 From: rlboots at cedar-rapids.net (Rodger Boots) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:25:38 -0600 Subject: [Techtoolslist] HP16500A manual In-Reply-To: <7fcc300701271057s45ce44c2yad5f59b9786cf5b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7fcc300701271057s45ce44c2yad5f59b9786cf5b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BBB542.1030604@cedar-rapids.net> For both the manual and the software try http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/techSupport.jspx?pid=16500A%3Aepsg%3Apro&pageMode=OV&cc=US&lc=eng Adam Courchesne wrote: > Also looking for a copy of the operators manual for the 16500A. > Thanks, > From samzehr at comcast.net Sun Jan 28 14:09:19 2007 From: samzehr at comcast.net (Sam Zehr) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:09:19 -0600 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Need info on Data I/O Series 22 In-Reply-To: <45BBB542.1030604@cedar-rapids.net> Message-ID: I just won this on eBay for $6.75. I figured I'd be able to get some info on the web or usenet, but I am finding next to nothing on this particular model. Can anyone point me to some documentation on this thing? Thanks Sam -----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com]On Behalf Of Rodger Boots Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 2:26 PM To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] HP16500A manual For both the manual and the software try http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/techSupport.jspx?pid=16500A%3Aepsg%3Apr o&pageMode=OV&cc=US&lc=eng Adam Courchesne wrote: > Also looking for a copy of the operators manual for the 16500A. > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From jrr at flippers.com Thu Feb 1 17:19:15 2007 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:19:15 -0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] early Innovations "SIMCHECK" ROM upgrade needed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anyone have a SIMCHECK model INN8448 with a later operating system than 2.34? Not SIMCHECK II by the way, this is the earlier three button (and escape) unit. A PDF or copy of the manual would be nice too.... I need this to test some vintage 32 pin RAM and the unit can also test Static RAM - would be nice to see if a later version of the ROM would test earlier RAM! Thanks, John :-#)# From matt at rossiters.com Sat Feb 10 13:09:36 2007 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:09:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Techtoolslist] O-scope Z-Channel Question Message-ID: <20070210100238.A29807@rossiters.com> I'm using a Tektronix 475 Oscilloscope and, of course, I use XY mode for testing to see if the X and Y signals look good on the screen. There is an external Z axis channel in the back, but I've never gotten it completely to work. Someone once told me that I need to use an inverter to invert the signal into the probe - which sort of works, but I still see the vector retrace lines. Is it possible to completely blank out the Z signals so that the picture looks the way it's supposed to? Thanks Matt From martin at guddler.co.uk Sat Feb 10 13:52:19 2007 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (Martin White) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:52:19 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] O-scope Z-Channel Question In-Reply-To: <20070210100238.A29807@rossiters.com> References: <20070210100238.A29807@rossiters.com> Message-ID: I made up a little black box with three pots on it for all my vector work. 1k pot on each of the X,Y,Z allows for complete control and should work nicely for your Z problem because that's the scope i started off with before moving onto using a dedicated HP display for my vector stuff. Oh, yes, you do need the inverter too for the 475, 4069 is it? I forget, it was just one cmos chip though. Martin. Guddler's Domain http://www.guddler.co.uk On 10 Feb 2007, at 18:09, Matt Rossiter wrote: > I'm using a Tektronix 475 Oscilloscope and, of course, I use XY > mode for > testing to see if the X and Y signals look good on the screen. > There is > an external Z axis channel in the back, but I've never gotten it > completely to work. Someone once told me that I need to use an > inverter > to invert the signal into the probe - which sort of works, but I > still see > the vector retrace lines. Is it possible to completely blank out > the Z > signals so that the picture looks the way it's supposed to? > > Thanks > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From rlboots at cedar-rapids.net Sat Feb 10 15:29:24 2007 From: rlboots at cedar-rapids.net (Rodger Boots) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:29:24 -0600 Subject: [Techtoolslist] O-scope Z-Channel Question In-Reply-To: <20070210100238.A29807@rossiters.com> References: <20070210100238.A29807@rossiters.com> Message-ID: <45CE2B24.4080107@cedar-rapids.net> Matt Rossiter wrote: > I'm using a Tektronix 475 Oscilloscope and, of course, I use XY mode for > testing to see if the X and Y signals look good on the screen. There is > an external Z axis channel in the back, but I've never gotten it > completely to work. Someone once told me that I need to use an inverter > to invert the signal into the probe - which sort of works, but I still see > the vector retrace lines. What do you mean "into the probe"? If you're using a X10 probe after the inverter there wouldn't be enough signal left for proper blanking. > Is it possible to completely blank out the Z > signals so that the picture looks the way it's supposed to? > > Thanks > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > From martin at guddler.co.uk Sat Feb 10 16:14:06 2007 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (Martin White) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:14:06 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] O-scope Z-Channel Question In-Reply-To: <45CE2B24.4080107@cedar-rapids.net> References: <20070210100238.A29807@rossiters.com> <45CE2B24.4080107@cedar-rapids.net> Message-ID: <6790F472-9E8B-4221-A053-50AF8DDC2204@guddler.co.uk> Good point - didn't read that properly! I'm just using straight BNC - > 2x croc clip on all three inputs. No probes. > Matt Rossiter wrote: >> I'm using a Tektronix 475 Oscilloscope and, of course, I use XY >> mode for >> testing to see if the X and Y signals look good on the screen. >> There is >> an external Z axis channel in the back, but I've never gotten it >> completely to work. Someone once told me that I need to use an >> inverter >> to invert the signal into the probe - which sort of works, but I >> still see >> the vector retrace lines. > > What do you mean "into the probe"? If you're using a X10 probe after > the inverter there wouldn't be enough signal left for proper blanking. > > >> Is it possible to completely blank out the Z >> signals so that the picture looks the way it's supposed to? >> >> Thanks >> >> Matt From masondg44 at comcast.net Sun Feb 11 13:20:08 2007 From: masondg44 at comcast.net (Dave M) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:20:08 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] O-scope Z-Channel Question References: Message-ID: <001801c74e09$4352cac0$ccfec747@DELL2350> Taken from the 475 manual, the Z-Axis has the following characteristics: Sensitivity: Positive-going signal from ground decreases intensity 5 V P-P signal causes noticeable modulation at normal intensity Maximum Input Voltage: 100 V (DC plus peak AC) 100 V P-P AC at 1 kHz or less Useable Frequency Range: DC to 50 MHz. I take the sensitivity spec to mean that you need AT LEAST 5Vp-p to see any intensity modulation. To completely blank the trace, you need more than 5Vp-p. I haven't used the Z-Axis on my 575 in recent memory, but it makes sense that you will need to (A) check the amplitude and polarity of the signal you're feeding to the Z-Axis, (B) amplify it to an amplitude that will give you the needed blanking level, and (C) invert it if necessary to give a positive-going pulse with ground reference. Getting sufficient amplitude to completely blank the trace will likely require some experimentation, but shouldn't be difficult. If I were doing this, I'd start with an amplifier with a gain of 2x to maybe 5x and see how that works. My guess is that it will take a pulse of around +10V to give complete blanking. Cheers!! Dave M From artfromny at nycap.rr.com Tue Feb 13 10:13:18 2007 From: artfromny at nycap.rr.com (Art Mallet - Artfromny) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:13:18 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] B&K 467 bulb info References: <000a01c73ae7$9b2f6760$3c01010a@CHRISPC1> Message-ID: <0ddf01c74f81$7e021670$37ea4142@Art> I lost the email of the person who wanted the specs or part numbers for the ballast bulbs in this item, just wanted to let you know that I did find the manual and there was no part list in it and the schematics didnt give part numbers or specs. I did get a phone number for B&K though - 800 462 9832 Art ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hardy" To: "Technical Tools Mail List" Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:01 AM Subject: [Techtoolslist] Manual for the Fluke Z80 pod... > > I was curious about the physical differences between the Z80 and the Z80QT > pod but there only seems to be a scan of the Z80QT manual. (would be nice > to > convert a std z80 pod to a qt one) > > Does anyone have a scan of the standard Z80 manual? I've looked in my old > spies TE archive and it's not there or on the TTL ftp > > Thanks > > Chris Hardy > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > From matt at rossiters.com Wed Feb 14 03:42:10 2007 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:42:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Techtoolslist] Looking for 24-pin IDC flat cable plug Message-ID: <20070214002822.P40396@rossiters.com> I'm trying to find a source for a 24-pin IDC flat cable plug that is .600 inch wide (like a standard eprom). Mouser has part number 151-2P24 - but it's only .300 inch wide (like a standard 74 series ttl chip). I found this part here --> http://tinyurl.com/3aqqy6 - but I don't think I can order directly from this company. I sent them an email though. Anyway, I want to build a connector that allows me to separate the Sega XY timing and control boards far apart, but I seem to be having a hard time locating this plug. http://games.rossiters.com/24p-connector.jpg Just wondering if anyone knows a good source. Matt PS - Action Electronics is a good source if you want to make your own Cinematronics connectors. http://www.action-electronics.com/computerconnectors.htm From maddthad at jlab.org Wed Feb 14 08:18:23 2007 From: maddthad at jlab.org (Thad Seeberger) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:18:23 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Looking for 24-pin IDC flat cable plug In-Reply-To: <20070214002822.P40396@rossiters.com> References: <20070214002822.P40396@rossiters.com> Message-ID: <45D30C1F.3040303@jlab.org> Jameco has them. Thad Matt Rossiter wrote: > I'm trying to find a source for a 24-pin IDC flat cable plug that is .600 > inch wide (like a standard eprom). Mouser has part number 151-2P24 - but > it's only .300 inch wide (like a standard 74 series ttl chip). > > I found this part here --> http://tinyurl.com/3aqqy6 - but I don't think I > can order directly from this company. I sent them an email though. > > Anyway, I want to build a connector that allows me to separate the Sega XY > timing and control boards far apart, but I seem to be having a hard time > locating this plug. http://games.rossiters.com/24p-connector.jpg > > Just wondering if anyone knows a good source. > > Matt > > PS - Action Electronics is a good source if you want to make your own > Cinematronics connectors. > http://www.action-electronics.com/computerconnectors.htm > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > From matt at rossiters.com Wed Feb 14 10:52:01 2007 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:52:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Techtoolslist] Looking for 24-pin IDC flat cable plug In-Reply-To: <45D30C1F.3040303@jlab.org> References: <20070214002822.P40396@rossiters.com> <45D30C1F.3040303@jlab.org> Message-ID: <20070214074818.I72665@rossiters.com> Yup, they sure do. http://tinyurl.com/2zqs7n I looked there before, but my search results kept coming up with nothing, so this time I just manually dug through and found it. Thanks! Matt On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Thad Seeberger wrote: > Jameco has them. > > Thad > > > Matt Rossiter wrote: >> I'm trying to find a source for a 24-pin IDC flat cable plug that is .600 >> inch wide (like a standard eprom). Mouser has part number 151-2P24 - but >> it's only .300 inch wide (like a standard 74 series ttl chip). >> >> I found this part here --> http://tinyurl.com/3aqqy6 - but I don't think I >> can order directly from this company. I sent them an email though. >> >> Anyway, I want to build a connector that allows me to separate the Sega XY >> timing and control boards far apart, but I seem to be having a hard time >> locating this plug. http://games.rossiters.com/24p-connector.jpg >> >> Just wondering if anyone knows a good source. >> >> Matt >> >> PS - Action Electronics is a good source if you want to make your own >> Cinematronics connectors. >> http://www.action-electronics.com/computerconnectors.htm >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > From ajcrm125 at gmail.com Thu Feb 15 09:47:50 2007 From: ajcrm125 at gmail.com (Adam Courchesne) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:47:50 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] HP 16510B programming info Message-ID: <7fcc300702150647m14c3e394vdb579425423aa43f@mail.gmail.com> I'm looking to make an app that will convert HP16510B timing info into a VCD (value change dump) format. I can get the data from the HP16500A, but I need the 16510B programming manual to know what the block data format is. Does anyone have one that can scan that section for me? Manuals are like $30+ on ebay and I can't justify that for this simple project. Thanks, -Adam "Don't judge my God by my inability to follow him" =============== www.onecircuit.com =============== From dfish_1 at comcast.net Thu Feb 15 10:24:15 2007 From: dfish_1 at comcast.net (David Fish) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:24:15 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] HP 16510B programming info References: <7fcc300702150647m14c3e394vdb579425423aa43f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004001c75115$5ab82890$6401a8c0@DFISH03brooks> The Operating manual and Service manual are both available on the Agilent web site. I only wish that schematics were. Try this: http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/techSupport.jspx?pid=16510B%3Aepsg%3Apro&pageMode=MN&cc=US&lc=eng Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Courchesne" To: "Techtools List" Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: [Techtoolslist] HP 16510B programming info > I'm looking to make an app that will convert HP16510B timing info into > a VCD (value change dump) format. I can get the data from the > HP16500A, but I need the 16510B programming manual to know what the > block data format is. Does anyone have one that can scan that section > for me? Manuals are like $30+ on ebay and I can't justify that for > this simple project. > Thanks, > > -Adam > "Don't judge my God by my inability to follow him" > =============== > www.onecircuit.com > =============== > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From ajcrm125 at gmail.com Thu Feb 15 10:33:05 2007 From: ajcrm125 at gmail.com (Adam Courchesne) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:33:05 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] HP 16510B programming info In-Reply-To: <004001c75115$5ab82890$6401a8c0@DFISH03brooks> References: <7fcc300702150647m14c3e394vdb579425423aa43f@mail.gmail.com> <004001c75115$5ab82890$6401a8c0@DFISH03brooks> Message-ID: <7fcc300702150733n7da9bb8cmdc75610148517c6@mail.gmail.com> Yeah I got those, but only the programming manual has the block format layed out. :-( On 2/15/07, David Fish wrote: > > The Operating manual and Service manual are both available on the Agilent > web site. > I only wish that schematics were. > > Try this: > > http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/techSupport.jspx?pid=16510B%3Aepsg%3Apro&pageMode=MN&cc=US&lc=eng > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Courchesne" > To: "Techtools List" > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:47 AM > Subject: [Techtoolslist] HP 16510B programming info > > > > I'm looking to make an app that will convert HP16510B timing info into > > a VCD (value change dump) format. I can get the data from the > > HP16500A, but I need the 16510B programming manual to know what the > > block data format is. Does anyone have one that can scan that section > > for me? Manuals are like $30+ on ebay and I can't justify that for > > this simple project. > > Thanks, > > > > -Adam > > "Don't judge my God by my inability to follow him" > > =============== > > www.onecircuit.com > > =============== > > _______________________________________________ > > Techtoolslist mailing list > > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > From dfish_1 at comcast.net Fri Feb 16 17:06:17 2007 From: dfish_1 at comcast.net (David Fish) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:06:17 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Help request: 16500B LA ROM images needed Message-ID: <002a01c75216$af32d210$6401a8c0@DFISH03brooks> Could someone with access to an HP 16500B Logic Analyzer do me a big favor and read the ROM images off the CPU card? The devices are AMD 27H256 PROMS in a 32-pin PLCC package. If that's not possible could you verify that all four 32-pin PLCC sockets are populated? I'd really appreciate the help. Thanks, Dave From matt at rossiters.com Wed Feb 28 15:34:12 2007 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:34:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Techtoolslist] Huntron Tracker 2000 Message-ID: <20070228122722.X99483@rossiters.com> I noticed someone on rgvac posted one FA recently. I'm not planning on getting one quite yet, but was wondering how many people use this as opposed to just using the usual tools (DMM, Logic Comparator, etc). Is there a significant advantage in using this? Matt From micrologix1500 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 1 12:13:25 2007 From: micrologix1500 at yahoo.com (kevin spears) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:13:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Techtoolslist] Huntron Tracker 200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5358.4257.qm@web60122.mail.yahoo.com> I got a booklet and videotape a few years ago on how to build a "poor man's Huntron" using an X-Y oscilloscope, a small transformer, and a couple other odds-n-ends. I haven't built it yet to try it out. Does the Huntron do much more than what you could achieve with a simple homebrew kit? --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. From jrr at flippers.com Thu Mar 1 12:37:00 2007 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:37:00 -0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Huntron Tracker 200 In-Reply-To: <5358.4257.qm@web60122.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5358.4257.qm@web60122.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 9:13 AM -0800 3/1/07, kevin spears wrote: >I got a booklet and videotape a few years ago on how to build a >"poor man's Huntron" using an X-Y oscilloscope, a small transformer, >and a couple other odds-n-ends. I haven't built it yet to try it >out. Does the Huntron do much more than what you could achieve with >a simple homebrew kit? > > Not as far as I could ever tell. The only advantage was you did not have to set up a kludge to the front of your 'scope. I believe a search for "curve tracer for oscilloscope" will turn up instructions... Yup: http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/200304/VItracer.htm John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/pub/TTL/ From matt at rossiters.com Thu Mar 1 14:02:00 2007 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:02:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Techtoolslist] Huntron Tracker 200 In-Reply-To: References: <5358.4257.qm@web60122.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070301110111.O54302@rossiters.com> Looks like he references this on ionpool.net http://www.ionpool.net/arcade/tech/octopus.pdf On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, John Robertson wrote: > At 9:13 AM -0800 3/1/07, kevin spears wrote: >> I got a booklet and videotape a few years ago on how to build a >> "poor man's Huntron" using an X-Y oscilloscope, a small transformer, >> and a couple other odds-n-ends. I haven't built it yet to try it >> out. Does the Huntron do much more than what you could achieve with >> a simple homebrew kit? >> >> > > Not as far as I could ever tell. The only advantage was you did not > have to set up a kludge to the front of your 'scope. > > I believe a search for "curve tracer for oscilloscope" will turn up > instructions... > > Yup: > http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/200304/VItracer.htm > > John :-#)# > -- > How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL > > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/pub/TTL/ > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > From c.cowgill at comcast.net Thu Mar 1 16:23:51 2007 From: c.cowgill at comcast.net (Clay Cowgill) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 13:23:51 -0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Huntron Tracker 200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00a801c75c47$e88e6cf0$0700a8c0@ClayP4New> > Not as far as I could ever tell. The only advantage was you > did not have to set up a kludge to the front of your 'scope. Kinda depends on what you're doing with it... I have a Huntron Protrack 1 and it does have some handy capabilities depending on what kind of stuff you're working with. (ie, adjustable frequency, source resistance and voltage drive to get more detailed images depending on what value components are in the circuit-- plus a computer interface.) I've never really used it much as a repair tool for a single unit, but it's very handy when comparing a 'gold board' signature against multiple production units without the need to power anything on. With a computer attached you can automate things as well. (Better to find a backwards tantalum cap before even powering it up, or even worse-- incorrect parts loaded in an adjustable power supply that'll smoke a bunch of expensive actives if powered. ;-) I did use it to repair on a bunch of GO7 monitor chassis boards a couple years back. I took a 'NOS' board I had to make signatures and then just tested all the 'unknown' boards against the "known good" to find shorted transistors, bad caps, etc. without having to apply power to any of the units under test. One of the external Huntron boxes (I think the current model is the 210?) can be used with something like a Tektronix DSO that has an onscreen pass/fail mask capabilitiy. (So you can make a mask that basically says "any signal inside this boundary is a pass, anything outside is a fail" and you can have less skilled technicians still pass/fail test a board with high confidence and no PC required...) I suppose you could do the same with a paper cutout 'mask' for a less fancy o-scope too. ;-) -Clay From matt at rossiters.com Tue Mar 13 19:55:15 2007 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9010a Script for Pokeys Message-ID: <20070313165114.G56783@rossiters.com> I wrote a test script that allows you to do audio tests on Atari Boards with Pokeys. I borrowed some ideas from other scripts. I'm not really sure what other interesting tests you can do, because I'm not really familiar with how to generated different tones on this Atari Chip, but perhaps some of you can look at my script and offer some suggestions. Right now it's pretty basic. http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/Pokey-Data-Blaster Matt From matt at rossiters.com Wed Mar 14 03:00:46 2007 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9010a Script for Pokeys In-Reply-To: <20070313165114.G56783@rossiters.com> References: <20070313165114.G56783@rossiters.com> Message-ID: <20070313235832.P56783@rossiters.com> I made some slight modifications to this one. I'm actually writing a few programs for different games, hoping they might be helpful. http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/Pokey-Data-Blaster On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Matt Rossiter wrote: > I wrote a test script that allows you to do audio tests > on Atari Boards with Pokeys. I borrowed some ideas from other scripts. > > I'm not really sure what other interesting tests you can do, because I'm not > really familiar with how to generated different tones on this Atari Chip, but > perhaps some of you can look at my script and offer some suggestions. Right > now it's pretty basic. > > http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/Pokey-Data-Blaster > > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > From c.cowgill at comcast.net Wed Mar 21 21:25:23 2007 From: c.cowgill at comcast.net (Clay Cowgill) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:25:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Techtoolslist] Huntron Tracker 200 Message-ID: <22852057.2702131174526726482.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net> > Not as far as I could ever tell. The only advantage was you > did not have to set up a kludge to the front of your 'scope. Kinda depends on what you're doing with it... I have a Huntron Protrack 1 and it does have some handy capabilities depending on what kind of stuff you're working with. (ie, adjustable frequency, source resistance and Clay I've used a Huntron since 1978, 1st one was #596 and find it one of the most valuable test instruments I have ever encountered. Phil Hopkins from APC.... Worked for DEC for 21 years voltage drive to get more detailed images depending on what value components are in the circuit-- plus a computer interface.) I've never really used it much as a repair tool for a single unit, but it's very handy when comparing a 'gold board' signature against multiple production units without the need to power anything on. With a computer attached you can automate things as well. (Better to find a backwards tantalum cap before even powering it up, or even worse-- incorrect parts loaded in an adjustable power supply that'll smoke a bunch of expensive actives if powered. ;-) I did use it to repair on a bunch of GO7 monitor chassis boards a couple years back. I took a 'NOS' board I had to make signatures and then just tested all the 'unknown' boards against the "known good" to find shorted transistors, bad caps, etc. without having to apply power to any of the units under test. One of the external Huntron boxes (I think the current model is the 210?) can be used with something like a Tektronix DSO that has an onscreen pass/fail mask capabilitiy. (So you can make a mask that basically says "any signal inside this boundary is a pass, anything outside is a fail" and you can have less skilled technicians still pass/fail test a board with high confidence and no PC required...) I suppose you could do the same with a paper cutout 'mask' for a less fancy o-scope too. ;-) -Clay _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From markhooks at earthlink.net Wed Mar 21 21:27:45 2007 From: markhooks at earthlink.net (Mark Hooks) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:27:45 -0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Pat 9000, Taito Testers on Ebay Message-ID: <003301c6dde6$2a1df220$6800a8c0@D9H12R41> Not mine, I have one but thought someone else might have some interest:: http://cgi.ebay.com/Atari-PAT-9000-Test-Fixture_W0QQitemZ150103078124QQcategoryZ13718QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Note no monitors or cables. Here's the Taito unit: http://cgi.ebay.com/Taito-PCB-Test-Bench-Unit_W0QQitemZ150103080523QQcategoryZ13718QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From joemagiera at ameritech.net Sun Mar 25 15:31:20 2007 From: joemagiera at ameritech.net (Joe Magiera) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:31:20 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] manual for Bugtrap 8000? Message-ID: <20070325193121.D887CAE03F@mailwash25.pair.com> Does anyone know where an online copy of the manual for a Bugtrap Dynamic Ram Tester Model 8000 might be? Hans got it off ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA% 3AIT&viewitem=&item=230102520160&rd=1&rd=1 If anyone has this and be willing to scan or copy, it would be much appreciated. Looks pretty straightforward, but always nice to have a reference manual. Thanks, Joe joemagiera at ameritech.net From jmarous at woh.rr.com Sun Mar 25 21:01:36 2007 From: jmarous at woh.rr.com (James Marous) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:01:36 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] manual for Bugtrap 8000? In-Reply-To: <20070325193121.D887CAE03F@mailwash25.pair.com> Message-ID: Joe, if you don't find one online, let me know.. mine came with a manual and I can get it scanned. James -----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com]On Behalf Of Joe Magiera Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 2:31 PM To: TechToolsList at flippers.com Subject: [Techtoolslist] manual for Bugtrap 8000? Does anyone know where an online copy of the manual for a Bugtrap Dynamic Ram Tester Model 8000 might be? Hans got it off ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA% 3AIT&viewitem=&item=230102520160&rd=1&rd=1 If anyone has this and be willing to scan or copy, it would be much appreciated. Looks pretty straightforward, but always nice to have a reference manual. Thanks, Joe joemagiera at ameritech.net _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From jrr at flippers.com Sun Mar 25 21:27:24 2007 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:27:24 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] manual for Bugtrap 8000? In-Reply-To: <20070325193121.D887CAE03F@mailwash25.pair.com> References: <20070325193121.D887CAE03F@mailwash25.pair.com> Message-ID: At 2:31 PM -0500 3/25/07, Joe Magiera wrote: >Does anyone know where an online copy of the manual for a Bugtrap Dynamic >Ram Tester Model 8000 might be? Hans got it off ebay: > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA% >3AIT&viewitem=&item=230102520160&rd=1&rd=1 > > > >If anyone has this and be willing to scan or copy, it would be much >appreciated. Looks pretty straightforward, but always nice to have a >reference manual. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Joe > >joemagiera at ameritech.net I would like to make a socket for testing 2114s for my Bugtrap 8000. Would be nice and handy...so I too would like a copy of the manual - it can be hosted on the TTL FTP of course! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"