From martin at guddler.co.uk Tue Jan 1 09:27:17 2008 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:27:17 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 stuff wanted In-Reply-To: <4779312B.50105@Stup.net> References: <9A862E5E-E8E7-4D66-B872-D7ADF6E6BE7A@guddler.co.uk> <477929AC.7000605@flippers.com> <4779312B.50105@Stup.net> Message-ID: <6DCC5DD0-5C09-49AB-8E2F-8756F4764EB1@guddler.co.uk> Thanks for the replies guys. I'll be checking out the scsi adapter route when the 9100 get's here I think. that looks quite interesting. From what I can see of the keyboard interface project, it was all going quite well but was put on hold on 24th June 2003 because of deadlines on some other projects. David Shoemaker was running with it at that time. Then a baby appears to have come along early in 2004 :o) It looks like the adapters were essentially completed with a couple of limitations that I'm sure people could live with (no keyboard repeat, no lights) but never actually produced apart from a couple of test versions that went to Kev (mowerman I presume) and James? Anyway, from my reading up, as far as I can tell there's going to be absolutely nothing I can do with this unit in terms of programming and automating tasks apart from immediate mode operations without the keyboard and video card as even terminal emulation to send files to and from it requires initialising from within edit mode, then some file operations and conversions afterwards? Someone correct me if this is wrong? Very frustrating but I guess I'll just have to be patient and stick with it. I'm assuming I may have to even buy another entire base unit with a video card in it by the time I'm done but I've already been looking for one for about a year now so I don't hold out much hope for that happening too soon either! This thing looks like an entire new hobby all of it's own - looking forward to it :o) Martin. On 31 Dec 2007, at 18:12, Corey Stup wrote: > >> SCSI drive emulation would be a treat! Here is one link for a >> product to replace SCSI drives: >> http://www.adtron.com/products/Sdds.html > I have worked with a couple SCSI->flash projects for the 9100. Some > are successful, others not so much. > > The SCSI interfaced flash HD's seem to work fine (under approx > 700MB, above and you get the overflow issue in the editor). I have > a couple running in 9100's now and they work perfectly, and no > moving parts. > > I've not been as successful with using the SCSI PCMCIA adaptors that > allow for AT flash cards as a SCSI device. I believe its do to the > sector sizes being different, but I've not had a chance to followup > on it. I believe that another project that I have going (updating > our kernel to OS-9 2.3) might help that, as its FS drivers allow for > a larger range of sector sizes. I have a SCSI bus analyzer that > has helped debug the SCSI driver but I lost interest in that > project, it could be dug back out again if there were others > interested. > >> Then we need someone to design a video card to replace the original >> so the machines can be useful...and what DID happen to the keyboard >> hack anyways? David? Corey? > I never worked on the keyboard hack, but I'd be happy to pick it > back up. > > I have a ton of 9100 parts that eventually I need to do something > with. Consoles, cards, parts, -003 modules, etc. > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From Corey at Stup.net Tue Jan 1 14:47:04 2008 From: Corey at Stup.net (Corey Stup) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:47:04 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 stuff wanted In-Reply-To: <6DCC5DD0-5C09-49AB-8E2F-8756F4764EB1@guddler.co.uk> References: <9A862E5E-E8E7-4D66-B872-D7ADF6E6BE7A@guddler.co.uk> <477929AC.7000605@flippers.com> <4779312B.50105@Stup.net> <6DCC5DD0-5C09-49AB-8E2F-8756F4764EB1@guddler.co.uk> Message-ID: <477A98B8.3020801@Stup.net> > > I'll be checking out the scsi adapter route when the 9100 get's here I > think. that looks quite interesting. I have 2 of the Adtron SDDS's, I've yet to be able to get a PC card to format properly in it (my comments about the sector sizes not being compatible). The SSD SCSI drives work okay though. > > Anyway, from my reading up, as far as I can tell there's going to be > absolutely nothing I can do with this unit in terms of programming and > automating tasks apart from immediate mode operations without the > keyboard and video card as even terminal emulation to send files to > and from it requires initialising from within edit mode, then some > file operations and conversions afterwards? Someone correct me if this > is wrong? I've done file transfers to/from the PC, but I can't remember if it required loading EDITOR or not. I don't think so... The one wacky thing about EDITOR is that you need the keyboard connected to exit, IIRC. Since we have the TL/1 compiler for the PC, with file transfer setup, you wouldn't even need the EDITOR. Writing scripts on he PC is much easier for sure. From jrr at flippers.com Wed Jan 2 10:05:50 2008 From: jrr at flippers.com (Opal Cook) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:05:50 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Repl1ca watch is a perfect gift! 8EO2 Message-ID: Winter is hitting and New Year is coming. Do you need perfect gift? 0rder high qual1ty repl1ca of w4tches, purses & bags from 2008! http://www.spodiek.com/ RrbYVlG From mail at nessandsteve.plus.com Wed Jan 2 13:28:44 2008 From: mail at nessandsteve.plus.com (Laptop) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:28:44 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 stuff wanted In-Reply-To: <477A98B8.3020801@Stup.net> References: <9A862E5E-E8E7-4D66-B872-D7ADF6E6BE7A@guddler.co.uk> <477929AC.7000605@flippers.com> <4779312B.50105@Stup.net> <6DCC5DD0-5C09-49AB-8E2F-8756F4764EB1@guddler.co.uk> <477A98B8.3020801@Stup.net> Message-ID: <477BD7DC.8000509@nessandsteve.plus.com> Corey Stup wrote: > > Since we have the TL/1 compiler for the PC, with file transfer setup, > you wouldn't even need the EDITOR. Writing scripts on he PC is much > easier for sure. > Has this been made available for download anywhere Corey? I have read about the software and searched the web but never found any reference to it. It would be good to be able to right stuff while sitting on a train etc. Cheers Steve From jrr at flippers.com Thu Jan 3 21:38:40 2008 From: jrr at flippers.com (Terence Clinton) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:38:40 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Repl1ca watch is a perfect gift! TZZwj Message-ID: Newest 2008 repl1ca watch3s collection! 15% off in January and huge choose of repl1cas! http://www.beudyyte.com/ KXJx4iGU9ZtY2n8 From bob385 at cinci.rr.com Sun Jan 6 17:09:38 2008 From: bob385 at cinci.rr.com (bob) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:09:38 -0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] FS fluke 9100 stuff Message-ID: <002701c850b0$ec3aecd0$0202a8c0@toshibauser> Hi, I have the following 9100a items; -9100ft that has the video card, scsi drive, high density floppy, has been sitting in my garage for a couple of years, when I turned it on to see if it still worked it warned me that a battery needs changed (maybe it will charge with use?) then proceeded to the normal menu's -9100a (not the ft) that needs floppy and hard drive replacement -memory interface pod with 68030 personality module and various rom pods -clock module -probe I would take $600 for the lot (plus shipping from southern Ohio if you do not want to pick it up) thanks, Bob From warlords at punkass.com Sun Jan 13 12:58:45 2008 From: warlords at punkass.com (Andy Welburn) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:58:45 -0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 stuff wanted References: <9A862E5E-E8E7-4D66-B872-D7ADF6E6BE7A@guddler.co.uk> <477929AC.7000605@flippers.com> <4779312B.50105@Stup.net> <6DCC5DD0-5C09-49AB-8E2F-8756F4764EB1@guddler.co.uk><477A98B8.3020801@Stup.net> <477BD7DC.8000509@nessandsteve.plus.com> Message-ID: <004e01c8560e$9955b140$9700a8c0@server> Yeh, i have the DOS TL/1 checker program, but havn't heard of a TL/1 compiler for the pc? I'd be interested to hear something more about that.. And AFAIK the terminal program for transferring files to/from PC requires the editor loading (press F4 for TERM IIRR) I havn't bothered doing any pc transfers at all, i develop all my programs solely on my 9100 setup as it is, and make regular backups to floppy disks (in case the hard drive craps out again! ) Andy Welburn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laptop" To: "Technical Tools Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 stuff wanted > Corey Stup wrote: >> >> Since we have the TL/1 compiler for the PC, with file transfer setup, you >> wouldn't even need the EDITOR. Writing scripts on he PC is much easier >> for sure. >> > Has this been made available for download anywhere Corey? I have read > about the software and searched the web but never found any reference to > it. It would be good to be able to right stuff while sitting on a train > etc. > > Cheers > Steve From warlords at punkass.com Sun Jan 13 13:02:57 2008 From: warlords at punkass.com (Andy Welburn) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:02:57 -0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 stuff wanted References: <9A862E5E-E8E7-4D66-B872-D7ADF6E6BE7A@guddler.co.uk> Message-ID: <004f01c8560e$99e6cdb0$9700a8c0@server> [snip] > Hi all, [snip] > > Did anyone ever get anywhere with using a standard AT keyboard? I have been thinking about going down this road again recently, I don't actually have a need for an adapter anymore as i got the real keyboard eventually, but i was doing it for my own entertainment. Thing is, how far along is everyone else, and will anyone make the info available, or make a product available to buy at all? If the answer is no to all of that then i'll try make an adapter myself and then make the info on how to do it available online.. [snip] > Thanks, > Martin. > PS: Then I can start digging into the programming side of things and > hopefully start to contribute to Andy :o) From Corey at Stup.net Sun Jan 13 13:19:28 2008 From: Corey at Stup.net (Corey Stup) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:19:28 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 stuff wanted In-Reply-To: <004e01c8560e$9955b140$9700a8c0@server> References: <9A862E5E-E8E7-4D66-B872-D7ADF6E6BE7A@guddler.co.uk> <477929AC.7000605@flippers.com> <4779312B.50105@Stup.net> <6DCC5DD0-5C09-49AB-8E2F-8756F4764EB1@guddler.co.uk><477A98B8.3020801@Stup.net> <477BD7DC.8000509@nessandsteve.plus.com> <004e01c8560e$9955b140$9700a8c0@server> Message-ID: <478A5630.7050306@Stup.net> Andy Welburn wrote: > Yeh, i have the DOS TL/1 checker program, but havn't heard of a TL/1 > compiler for the pc? > > I'd be interested to hear something more about that.. I was mistaken, I was thinking of the "checker", my apologies. From martin at guddler.co.uk Tue Jan 29 15:17:41 2008 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:17:41 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Diameter of leads Message-ID: <364B8824-48D8-4E3B-AB5C-9861083FAD2B@guddler.co.uk> Hi, I've been trying to get hold of some "grabbers" for some test kit. Namely to go on the end of the fly leads on both the 9100 clock module and also an HP5006 sig. analyser. I've been able to find grabbers with "0.025 inch square output pins". Does anyone know if this is right? I can't get access to the kit right now to measure the diameter of the ends of the leads. I'm not sure if I could measure them very well anyway. I don't desperately want to order over 20 or more of the wrong thing! Thanks, Martin. From martin at guddler.co.uk Wed Jan 30 09:17:02 2008 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:17:02 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Diameter of leads In-Reply-To: <364B8824-48D8-4E3B-AB5C-9861083FAD2B@guddler.co.uk> References: <364B8824-48D8-4E3B-AB5C-9861083FAD2B@guddler.co.uk> Message-ID: Just to answer my own query, yes, 0.025" has apparently been the industry standard for these things for about the last 30 years. So, I found a place selling them very reasonably in the UK and have a pack of 10 on order, more to follow later when I have more cash :) Martin. On 29 Jan 2008, at 20:17, martin at guddler.co.uk wrote: > Hi, > > I've been trying to get hold of some "grabbers" for some test kit. > Namely to go on the end of the fly leads on both the 9100 clock > module and also an HP5006 sig. analyser. > > I've been able to find grabbers with "0.025 inch square output > pins". Does anyone know if this is right? I can't get access to the > kit right now to measure the diameter of the ends of the leads. I'm > not sure if I could measure them very well anyway. > > I don't desperately want to order over 20 or more of the wrong thing! > > Thanks, > Martin. > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From martin at guddler.co.uk Fri Feb 15 20:11:12 2008 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:11:12 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100 Video display Message-ID: <3393BFEF-B72A-4044-8FBC-325F30E97B95@guddler.co.uk> Hi, Can anyone give me a clue on how to connect a monitor up to the 9100FT please? I have a B/W composite video monitor available to me (Tandy TRS-80 monitor), or of course a standard arcade monitor (10" MTC9000). Is it a simple case of wiring up the RGB and sync pins from the 9 pin d connector on the back to the arcade monitor or is there more to it than that? I don't know if the video card in this unit is B/W or Colour, or if indeed there is a difference. Do they all do both? And does anyone have any documentation specifically on the FT? Is there anything that says what the specific differences are beyond the HD floppy and the faster processor? There's 8 memory sockets for instance. Is that normal on all 9100's? Thanks, Martin. From warlords at punkass.com Mon Feb 18 11:48:08 2008 From: warlords at punkass.com (Andy Welburn) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:48:08 -0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100 Video display References: <3393BFEF-B72A-4044-8FBC-325F30E97B95@guddler.co.uk> Message-ID: <000a01c8724e$1e2b7840$9700a8c0@server> The video card can output B/W or color, this is set by the jumpers on the vidocard itself. Grab the service manual and look at the schem for the video card to work out what the jumpers should be (i haven't made a note of this unfortunately) but its obvious from the schems. I've seen docs that say the video is 'IBM CGA compatible'... it is true that it is low-res 15hz, it has seperate syncs, and they're inverted, so invert them then combine them in order to run it on an arcade monitor... I have tested working 30pin 1MB RAM simms if you want to beef yours up, one assumes you can give it 8mb ram with the right dip settings... 9100's only have 4 slots, and 4mb max ram. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Technical Tools Mail List" Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:11 AM Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100 Video display > Hi, > > Can anyone give me a clue on how to connect a monitor up to the 9100FT > please? I have a B/W composite video monitor available to me (Tandy > TRS-80 monitor), or of course a standard arcade monitor (10" MTC9000). Is > it a simple case of wiring up the RGB and sync pins from the 9 pin d > connector on the back to the arcade monitor or is there more to it than > that? > > I don't know if the video card in this unit is B/W or Colour, or if > indeed there is a difference. Do they all do both? > > And does anyone have any documentation specifically on the FT? Is there > anything that says what the specific differences are beyond the HD floppy > and the faster processor? There's 8 memory sockets for instance. Is that > normal on all 9100's? > > Thanks, > Martin. > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From martin at guddler.co.uk Mon Feb 18 12:33:11 2008 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:33:11 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100 Video display In-Reply-To: <000a01c8724e$1e2b7840$9700a8c0@server> References: <3393BFEF-B72A-4044-8FBC-325F30E97B95@guddler.co.uk> <000a01c8724e$1e2b7840$9700a8c0@server> Message-ID: <4BB55D95-D0C8-4B2A-BE1C-717D59C20837@guddler.co.uk> Thanks Andy, Just to rig it up and see what's what I can use my 10" MTC9000 then and use the syncs as they are since it's got the sync polarity switch on it. Longer term that'll be a bit of a pain though so I guess I can invert them. I had flicked through the service manual but it's a bit vague in places and I wasn't sure if the video signals were TTL or anything. On the memory, it's already got 4MB of ram in it. Although I haven't bothered to look yet I guess it's 4 x 1MB simms. Every other of the 8 slots is free. I'll see how I get on for now but yes, it may be worth experimenting later to see if it can go up to 8MB :) Don't suppose you or anyone else have a spare set of manuals available for purchase? I do hate working off of computer screens! Cheers, Martin. On 18 Feb 2008, at 16:48, Andy Welburn wrote: > The video card can output B/W or color, this is set by the jumpers > on the vidocard itself. Grab the service manual and look at the > schem for the video card to work out what the jumpers should be (i > haven't made a note of this unfortunately) but its obvious from the > schems. > > I've seen docs that say the video is 'IBM CGA compatible'... it is > true that it is low-res 15hz, it has seperate syncs, and they're > inverted, so invert them then combine them in order to run it on an > arcade monitor... > > I have tested working 30pin 1MB RAM simms if you want to beef yours > up, one assumes you can give it 8mb ram with the right dip > settings... 9100's only have 4 slots, and 4mb max ram. > > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: "Technical Tools Mail List" > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:11 AM > Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100 Video display > > >> Hi, >> >> Can anyone give me a clue on how to connect a monitor up to the >> 9100FT please? I have a B/W composite video monitor available to me >> (Tandy TRS-80 monitor), or of course a standard arcade monitor (10" >> MTC9000). Is it a simple case of wiring up the RGB and sync pins >> from the 9 pin d connector on the back to the arcade monitor or is >> there more to it than that? >> >> I don't know if the video card in this unit is B/W or Colour, or if >> indeed there is a difference. Do they all do both? >> >> And does anyone have any documentation specifically on the FT? Is >> there anything that says what the specific differences are beyond >> the HD floppy and the faster processor? There's 8 memory sockets >> for instance. Is that normal on all 9100's? >> >> Thanks, >> Martin. >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From Corey at Stup.net Mon Feb 18 20:45:10 2008 From: Corey at Stup.net (Corey Stup) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:45:10 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100 Video display In-Reply-To: <4BB55D95-D0C8-4B2A-BE1C-717D59C20837@guddler.co.uk> References: <3393BFEF-B72A-4044-8FBC-325F30E97B95@guddler.co.uk> <000a01c8724e$1e2b7840$9700a8c0@server> <4BB55D95-D0C8-4B2A-BE1C-717D59C20837@guddler.co.uk> Message-ID: <47BA34A6.1000204@Stup.net> > On the memory, it's already got 4MB of ram in it. Although I haven't > bothered to look yet I guess it's 4 x 1MB simms. Every other of the 8 > slots is free. I'll see how I get on for now but yes, it may be worth > experimenting later to see if it can go up to 8MB :) The 9100FT will take up to 32MB ram, 8 4MB simms. The development/editor apps were all designed with 4MB total in mind though, so its kind of a waste. From jrr at flippers.com Sat Feb 23 22:19:55 2008 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:19:55 -0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Wanted: HP 547A Current Tracer manual In-Reply-To: <009501c25a74$9c840880$0401a8c0@calvin> References: <20020908233629.BEJR7401.fep04-svc.ttyl.com@localhost> <5.1.1.6.0.20020910114216.029dcf00@flippers.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20020912075312.0282b700@flippers.com> <009501c25a74$9c840880$0401a8c0@calvin> Message-ID: <47C0E25B.1030606@flippers.com> OK... it's been a while...anyone scan in the Current Probe yet? (Oh, and the link in Kev's reply (2002) is dead) John :-#)# Kev wrote: > http://learnat.sait.ab.ca/ict/cmph200/digital.htm > > Is the only thing I've stumbled on so far. > > Kev > > > > >> I have the manual and could scan it in this weekend (if I remember - nag >> > me > >> on Sunday). Was it on Spies? There was some info there on using the >> > current > >> tracer. >> >> John:-#)# >> >> At 09:16 AM 12/09/2002 -0400, Kev wrote: >> >> >> >>> Looking for a HP 547A Current tracer manual, preferable downloadable. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Kev >>> > > > > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From martin at guddler.co.uk Wed Feb 27 21:17:38 2008 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:17:38 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Working 9100 Keyboard adapter Message-ID: Hi, In case anyone is interested, I've just posted details on a working keyboard adapter on my website: http://www.guddler.co.uk It's in the "Projects" section. I've been using it here for a week or so now. Thanks to a virtual machine causing a kernel panic and corrupting a couple of the project files I have a bit of work to do before I can post the source code, but I've put my BIN file from my working PIC there until then. I also have a USA keyboard in my possession too so that's being worked on over the next week or so (GB keyboard right now). All the details are on my website, although there do seem to be some DNS issues with the site at this precise moment (typical!) Let me know off list of any problems. Martin. From patdanis at verizon.net Wed Feb 27 23:02:26 2008 From: patdanis at verizon.net (Pat Danis) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:02:26 -0600 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Working 9100 Keyboard adapter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47C63252.5030507@verizon.net> Fabulous. Thanks for taking this on. I reviewed the pertinent sites and wouldn't even know where to begin. pat D. martin at guddler.co.uk wrote: > Hi, > > In case anyone is interested, I've just posted details on a working > keyboard adapter on my website: > > http://www.guddler.co.uk > > It's in the "Projects" section. I've been using it here for a week or > so now. > > Thanks to a virtual machine causing a kernel panic and corrupting a > couple of the project files I have a bit of work to do before I can > post the source code, but I've put my BIN file from my working PIC > there until then. I also have a USA keyboard in my possession too so > that's being worked on over the next week or so (GB keyboard right now). > > All the details are on my website, although there do seem to be some > DNS issues with the site at this precise moment (typical!) > > Let me know off list of any problems. > > Martin. > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > From martin at guddler.co.uk Thu Feb 28 19:55:21 2008 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:55:21 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Working 9100 Keyboard adapter In-Reply-To: <47C63252.5030507@verizon.net> References: <47C63252.5030507@verizon.net> Message-ID: <843B22F1-395C-48ED-B93E-A96E1B6A3E58@guddler.co.uk> Just one rather important word of warning!! I've been looking into in-circuit programmers like the ICD2. If you are going to connect up an in-circuit programmer then you MUST disconnect the 9100 from the adapter before programming. If you don't you will send up to 13v down the reset pin of the 9100 and that can't possibly be good. Up until now I've always programmed the PIC in an independent programmer which is of course fine. I'll update my design to use a separate pin for reset ASAP (I actually had it that way in the first place but changed it to save a couple of bytes of code and some wire). Martin. On 28 Feb 2008, at 04:02, Pat Danis wrote: > Fabulous. Thanks for taking this on. I reviewed the pertinent > sites and wouldn't even know where to begin. > > pat D. > > martin at guddler.co.uk wrote: >> Hi, >> >> In case anyone is interested, I've just posted details on a working >> keyboard adapter on my website: >> >> http://www.guddler.co.uk >> >> It's in the "Projects" section. I've been using it here for a week >> or so now. >> >> Thanks to a virtual machine causing a kernel panic and corrupting a >> couple of the project files I have a bit of work to do before I can >> post the source code, but I've put my BIN file from my working PIC >> there until then. I also have a USA keyboard in my possession too >> so that's being worked on over the next week or so (GB keyboard >> right now). >> >> All the details are on my website, although there do seem to be >> some DNS issues with the site at this precise moment (typical!) >> >> Let me know off list of any problems. >> >> Martin. >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From martin at guddler.co.uk Wed Mar 5 18:50:43 2008 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:50:43 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Example code for Calculating CRC32 on the Fluke 9100 In-Reply-To: <000701c83f77$02ff19f0$9700a8c0@server> References: <000701c83f77$02ff19f0$9700a8c0@server> Message-ID: I know this is going back a bit, but cheers for this Andy / Chris! I finally got round to rigging my test setup back up tonight to explore the 9100 a bit. Of course the first thing I do is go to check out some ROMs on a board and find nothing checks out. Then I remember your comments about the 9100 and 9010 sigs not being compatible (what a pain is that!!??) and I came back here. It's taken me a long while to fill in the missing bits of the program since I hadn't yet got as far as the TL1 manual but I've got it working now and see this as a good way to verify known ROMs against mame. Once I know they're good against mame then I can learn the sigs on the 9100's native checks and store them for later use. Good stuff - thanks. Martin. On 15 Dec 2007, at 23:59, Andy Welburn wrote: > hi all. > > Well, after running into this on more than one occasion, i decided > to do something about it, you know when you have soldered-in roms on > a game pcb and you don't have any 'good' signatures for that rom in > particular? Don't want to have to desolder the rom? Don't have a > reader capable of reading that funky rom? Still want to check the > roms contents with a known good dump? > > I'm working on an Atari Sprint 2 pcb right now with just such a > problem, after building an adapter to replace the 2k*8 PROM soldered- > in with a 2716, i could then verify that i did have a bad prom > there, and subsequently managed to verify all other roms by burning > a bunch of 2716's with mame code and verifying sigs taken from the > real roms in place against the known good 2716... However, while > doing this, i pestered a few peopel into trying to crack the fluke > 9100 signature calculation routine so that i could run it on mame > roms and verify on the fluke itself. This is no easy task and i've > been asking around for this for a while now... so i gave up, and > thought to myself it would be great if i could calculate a reliable > signature on the 9100 that is easily calculated on the pc on mame > roms... > > Well then CRC32 is an answer to this, MAME carries CRC32's of all > the roms it uses in all its game drivers, an excellent source of > known-good sigs! > > With the help of Chris Hardy - who found this small CRC calculator > code online - it looked like it could be converted for TL/1 use: > http://www.di-mgt.com.au/crypto.html#CRC > > My C programming skills are very rusty, and it saved me a lot of > time talking to Chris to just check on the meanings of the C > statements in this CRC calculator code... Once Chris explained some > of it to me in English, it helped me to translate it to what i know > of TL/1... > > and here's the result of equivalent code : > http://www.andysarcade.net/pix/DSC_2380.JPG > > (full program code omitted, but if you know TL/1 you know the meat > and potatoes is in the middle bit - so long as you declare numeric > crc=$FFFFFFFF, numeric temp, numeric j, numeric octets at the top) > > I'm no rocket-scientist, but i stuck this in my PROGLIB and it'll > now be available to all my other UUT programs :) Its not tidy code, > its not the quickest or most efficient, but it works... If you can > suggest a better way of doing it, then please do expand on this if > you can! > > I'm interested to hear who is actually actively programming on the > 9100, is it just me all on my own?? I know a few people who own the > 9100 units, but i'm the only one amongst them that seems to be using > the editing suite... Whats the situation with you lot here on the > list? A show of hands would be nice to see... > > Maybe we can pool resources and swap code snippets? I have hundreds > of rom sigs and a growing collection of programs i have written, I > understand anyones reluctance to give this info up for free (i have > certainly put in a considerable amount of time on the fluke) so i'm > looking to trade info with other people if anyone needs it? > Personally i'm not after much info myself, but i'm always keen to > add to my own knowledge base, and i don't mind helping others out > with programming, and advice on the pitfalls of bugs in TL/1 etc.. :-) > > Of course, I could be delusional and I really am the only one doing > any programming with it... > > so speak up! > > Andy Welburn > http://www.andys-arcade.com > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist From bdkorn at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 03:10:07 2008 From: bdkorn at gmail.com (Brian) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 00:10:07 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Strange e-prom question Message-ID: <66a6a9530803082310k3fd842fex82338b26cf6dd275@mail.gmail.com> I need to read a M27C4002 part however my e-prom burner can only handle chips up to 32 pins (up to 8mb). I would expect that there would be some way to read the low 2MB and then read the high 2MB's. I have looked at the data sheets for M27C4002, 4001 and 2001, but I just can't figure how to (safely) do it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, Brian From martin at guddler.co.uk Sun Mar 9 19:50:59 2008 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 23:50:59 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Keyboard adapter update Message-ID: <9B1C7F4F-300D-467F-8305-60A64C7A24AF@guddler.co.uk> Hi all, Last post from me on this subject, I won't keep spamming the list, especially since my site has an RSS feed :) Just thought I'd mention that I just posted a version of the code and a new circuit to go with it that has a USA keyboard layout and I also made a couple of minor modifications so that if you're that way inclined, hooking up an in-circuit debugger / programmer won't do nasty things to your 9100 (usual disclaimer applies but it works for me!) http://guddler.co.uk Enjoy. Martin. From martin at guddler.co.uk Tue Mar 11 13:01:26 2008 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:01:26 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] WTD: 9100 I/O Module Message-ID: <5138B8CC-655E-45DF-91E5-20E46CA1741D@guddler.co.uk> Hi, Parallel variety, not the vector IO module. Does anyone have one they would like to sell or trade please? I don't have too much to trade but there may be something. Must be willing to ship to the UK if located abroad. Thanks, Martin. From martin at guddler.co.uk Fri Mar 14 12:16:34 2008 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:16:34 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Mac users? Message-ID: Just wandering if there are many (any?) other users out there whose primary computing environment is not a PC? Up until VMWare released Fusion for the Mac i was maintaining a separate complete PC for interfacing with my Fluke 9010A and, Data I/O 29B and a TOP2005 programmer. I'm now using all of this on my main Mac laptop through Windows in Fusion and a USB to serial adapter for the Data IO and 9010A. I have also sent and received files to / from the 9100 through the USB to Serial adapter as well but I don't have so much of an interest in that one since it has it's own storage space. Would be very nice to be able to do away with windows altogether though, not least because I also have a Mac mini which makes an incredibly small space saving machine for the workbench :) Just pondering at the moment. Martin, From jrr at flippers.com Fri Mar 14 12:59:09 2008 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:59:09 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Mac users? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47DAAEDD.5080408@flippers.com> martin at guddler.co.uk wrote: > Just wandering if there are many (any?) other users out there whose > primary computing environment is not a PC? > > Up until VMWare released Fusion for the Mac i was maintaining a > separate complete PC for interfacing with my Fluke 9010A and, Data I/O > 29B and a TOP2005 programmer. I'm now using all of this on my main Mac > laptop through Windows in Fusion and a USB to serial adapter for the > Data IO and 9010A. I have also sent and received files to / from the > 9100 through the USB to Serial adapter as well but I don't have so > much of an interest in that one since it has it's own storage space. > > Would be very nice to be able to do away with windows altogether > though, not least because I also have a Mac mini which makes an > incredibly small space saving machine for the workbench :) > > Just pondering at the moment. > > Martin, > _ I'm on a MacBook and am converting our shop over to the OS X both for security and total lack of viruses to date. We do keep a PC for eprom programmers and the like as they need serial ports, or AT hardware slots. John :-#)# From Thomas43 at aol.com Sat Mar 15 03:00:05 2008 From: Thomas43 at aol.com (Thomas43 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 03:00:05 EDT Subject: [Techtoolslist] Mac users? Message-ID: Nothing but MAC's since 1995. A G5 Powermac, 3 Mini's, a Macbook, a 24inch Intel iMac, and soon - a Quad processor Mac Pro. I have a crappy DOS laptop I use for ROM programming and 9010 work. Scott ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From martin at guddler.co.uk Sat Mar 15 07:05:49 2008 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:05:49 +0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Mac users? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57A5ED73-310D-4FDD-9761-C23815E7BD8A@guddler.co.uk> Wow, that's a lot of Mac's :) Okay, well I'm loath to go into too many details at the moment in case I don't get the time and it doesn't get anywhere (because then I'll just look stupid!) but I'm looking into the idea of putting together some software for OS X for using some of my kit from a Mac. Was just wandering if there was anyone else out there that may be interested too. Martin. On 15 Mar 2008, at 07:00, Thomas43 at aol.com wrote: > Nothing but MAC's since 1995. A G5 Powermac, 3 Mini's, a Macbook, > a 24inch > Intel iMac, and soon - a Quad processor Mac Pro. > > I have a crappy DOS laptop I use for ROM programming and 9010 work. > > Scott