From matt at rossiters.com  Thu Jul 24 12:58:34 2008
From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:58:34 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O and Windows XP
Message-ID: <6fe1803e0c4dcc09b8c2cd5f7e11f41c@rossiters.com>

Hello, 

I'm hooking up a laptop to a Data I/O UniPak 2B Eprom Programmer and
connected through a USB to Serial adapter made by Airlink.  I'm using
Promlink 6.10, which is the patched version from MikesArcade.com. 

http://mikesarcade.com/arcade/promlink.html

My Settings are Com1, 9600 Baud, Parity None, Data Bits 8, Stop Bits 1 and
of course flow control is off.  I/O Format is current set to Absolute
Binary. 

I've read some of the threads before on this and I seem to be running into
a similar problem regarding trying to send and receive eprom data.  I can
do things such as blank checks, selecting devices, reading eproms, etc.

1)  First of all, when I initially start up Promlink, I always get this
message "16 Bit MS-DOS Subsystem - pl.exe The system cannot open Com2 port
requested by the application.  Choose 'Close' to terminate the application.


Rather than choosing 'Close' I click 'Ignore' and get in.

2) When I read eproms, I can do so and get a sumcheck, but if I save them
to a file I can't identify the file using romident.

3) When I try to send a file to the programmer I will see a progress bar
quickly go to 100% and it will wait indefinitely with a "Waiting for
programmer response..." message.

I've also tried changing a few port settings including lowering or turning
off the buffers.
I'm just wondering if anyone else has been able to work around a similar
problem?  Up until now I've always used Windows98 and using an older
version of promlink but it would be nice to use WindowsXP if possible.

Thanks!

Matt

From jack.rubin at ameritech.net  Thu Jul 24 13:12:39 2008
From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:12:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O and Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <6fe1803e0c4dcc09b8c2cd5f7e11f41c@rossiters.com>
Message-ID: <354692.91163.qm@web53711.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Matt,

I'm _pretty sure_ that I was able to use PromLink under WinXP but on a system with a true serial port. USB-serial adapters are notoriously fussy and unreliable for many applications. I'll try to drag out my laptop and retest this weekend.

Jack

--- On Thu, 7/24/08, Matt Rossiter <matt at rossiters.com> wrote:
From: Matt Rossiter <matt at rossiters.com>
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O and Windows XP
To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist at flippers.com>
Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 11:58 AM

Hello, 

I'm hooking up a laptop to a Data I/O UniPak 2B Eprom Programmer and
connected through a USB to Serial adapter made by Airlink.  I'm using
Promlink 6.10, which is the patched version from MikesArcade.com. 

http://mikesarcade.com/arcade/promlink.html

My Settings are Com1, 9600 Baud, Parity None, Data Bits 8, Stop Bits 1 and
of course flow control is off.  I/O Format is current set to Absolute
Binary. 

I've read some of the threads before on this and I seem to be running into
a similar problem regarding trying to send and receive eprom data.  I can
do things such as blank checks, selecting devices, reading eproms, etc.

1)  First of all, when I initially start up Promlink, I always get this
message "16 Bit MS-DOS Subsystem - pl.exe The system cannot open Com2 port
requested by the application.  Choose 'Close' to terminate the
application.


Rather than choosing 'Close' I click 'Ignore' and get in.

2) When I read eproms, I can do so and get a sumcheck, but if I save them
to a file I can't identify the file using romident.

3) When I try to send a file to the programmer I will see a progress bar
quickly go to 100% and it will wait indefinitely with a "Waiting for
programmer response..." message.

I've also tried changing a few port settings including lowering or turning
off the buffers.
I'm just wondering if anyone else has been able to work around a similar
problem?  Up until now I've always used Windows98 and using an older
version of promlink but it would be nice to use WindowsXP if possible.

Thanks!

Matt
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From mike at the-coates.com  Thu Jul 24 13:40:37 2008
From: mike at the-coates.com (Mike Coates)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:40:37 +0100
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O and Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <6fe1803e0c4dcc09b8c2cd5f7e11f41c@rossiters.com>
References: <6fe1803e0c4dcc09b8c2cd5f7e11f41c@rossiters.com>
Message-ID: <4888BE95.6080103@the-coates.com>

I've used promlink on XP without problem (but then I patched it!)

If you have no flow control, you are losing data during the transfer - 
simple commands are only a single byte, but file transfer either way is 
going to send large amounts of info.

you also say you are using com1, but the error indicates that it's 
trying to use com2 initially - I've attached my config file, def. com1 - 
but with flow control enabled - has worked for me using a cable made to 
the specs on the leopardcats web page.



Matt Rossiter wrote:
> Hello, 
> 
> I'm hooking up a laptop to a Data I/O UniPak 2B Eprom Programmer and
> connected through a USB to Serial adapter made by Airlink.  I'm using
> Promlink 6.10, which is the patched version from MikesArcade.com. 
> 
> http://mikesarcade.com/arcade/promlink.html
> 
> My Settings are Com1, 9600 Baud, Parity None, Data Bits 8, Stop Bits 1 and
> of course flow control is off.  I/O Format is current set to Absolute
> Binary. 
> 
> I've read some of the threads before on this and I seem to be running into
> a similar problem regarding trying to send and receive eprom data.  I can
> do things such as blank checks, selecting devices, reading eproms, etc.
> 
> 1)  First of all, when I initially start up Promlink, I always get this
> message "16 Bit MS-DOS Subsystem - pl.exe The system cannot open Com2 port
> requested by the application.  Choose 'Close' to terminate the application.
> 
> 
> Rather than choosing 'Close' I click 'Ignore' and get in.
> 
> 2) When I read eproms, I can do so and get a sumcheck, but if I save them
> to a file I can't identify the file using romident.
> 
> 3) When I try to send a file to the programmer I will see a progress bar
> quickly go to 100% and it will wait indefinitely with a "Waiting for
> programmer response..." message.


From matt at rossiters.com  Thu Jul 24 16:19:40 2008
From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:19:40 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O and Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <4888E015.3030401@the-coates.com>
References: <6fe1803e0c4dcc09b8c2cd5f7e11f41c@rossiters.com>
	<4888BE95.6080103@the-coates.com>
	<aef28a38be38fe6f2c1bb1df06d330ba@rossiters.com>
	<4888E015.3030401@the-coates.com>
Message-ID: <bc5b1235888ed7fe381742c08c0a75c7@rossiters.com>

Thanks Mike!

Let me just confirm a couple of things if you don't mind.

1) I'm using the same cable/null modem that works when I'm using Windows98
- Is that fine?
2) On my computer settings I have the serial port configured as Com1, 9600,
8, none, 1, and hardware flow control enabled. - does that sound good?  My
other option for flow control is XON/XOFF.
3) In the promlink configuration I have the programmer port set to Com1,
9600, 8, none, and 1.  There's no option to set flow control.  Is there a
way to set that in Promlink?

I tried the new PL.SET file but now it complains about Port1 and Port2.  I
can't communicate with the programmer at all.  Just wondering if I'm
missing something.

Thanks for all the help.

Matt

 
>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:40:37 +0100, Mike Coates <mike at the-coates.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I've used promlink on XP without problem (but then I patched it!)
>>>
>>> If you have no flow control, you are losing data during the transfer - 
>>> simple commands are only a single byte, but file transfer either way is
> 
>>> going to send large amounts of info.
>>>
>>> you also say you are using com1, but the error indicates that it's 
>>> trying to use com2 initially - I've attached my config file, def. com1
> - 
>>> but with flow control enabled - has worked for me using a cable made to
> 
>>> the specs on the leopardcats web page.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt Rossiter wrote:
>>>> Hello, 
>>>>
>>>> I'm hooking up a laptop to a Data I/O UniPak 2B Eprom Programmer and
>>>> connected through a USB to Serial adapter made by Airlink.  I'm using
>>>> Promlink 6.10, which is the patched version from MikesArcade.com. 
>>>>
>>>> http://mikesarcade.com/arcade/promlink.html
>>>>
>>>> My Settings are Com1, 9600 Baud, Parity None, Data Bits 8, Stop Bits 1
>>> and
>>>> of course flow control is off.  I/O Format is current set to Absolute
>>>> Binary. 
>>>>
>>>> I've read some of the threads before on this and I seem to be running
>>> into
>>>> a similar problem regarding trying to send and receive eprom data.  I
>>> can
>>>> do things such as blank checks, selecting devices, reading eproms,
> etc.
>>>>
>>>> 1)  First of all, when I initially start up Promlink, I always get
> this
>>>> message "16 Bit MS-DOS Subsystem - pl.exe The system cannot open Com2
>>> port
>>>> requested by the application.  Choose 'Close' to terminate the
>>> application.
>>>>
>>>> Rather than choosing 'Close' I click 'Ignore' and get in.
>>>>
>>>> 2) When I read eproms, I can do so and get a sumcheck, but if I save
>>> them
>>>> to a file I can't identify the file using romident.
>>>>
>>>> 3) When I try to send a file to the programmer I will see a progress
> bar
>>>> quickly go to 100% and it will wait indefinitely with a "Waiting for
>>>> programmer response..." message.
>> 

From matt at rossiters.com  Thu Jul 24 16:31:06 2008
From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:31:06 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O and Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <bc5b1235888ed7fe381742c08c0a75c7@rossiters.com>
References: <6fe1803e0c4dcc09b8c2cd5f7e11f41c@rossiters.com>
	<4888BE95.6080103@the-coates.com>
	<aef28a38be38fe6f2c1bb1df06d330ba@rossiters.com>
	<4888E015.3030401@the-coates.com>
	<bc5b1235888ed7fe381742c08c0a75c7@rossiters.com>
Message-ID: <2af758d73a7e98ce39eeca3496a7169c@rossiters.com>

Actually, I take that back.  I needed to re-setup some things in Promlink. 
But now it's just doing the same thing as it was before.

The questions still stands about enabling flow control.  :)

Thanks

Matt

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:19:40 -0700, Matt Rossiter <matt at rossiters.com>
wrote:
> Thanks Mike!
> 
> Let me just confirm a couple of things if you don't mind.
> 
> 1) I'm using the same cable/null modem that works when I'm using
Windows98
> - Is that fine?
> 2) On my computer settings I have the serial port configured as Com1,
> 9600,
> 8, none, 1, and hardware flow control enabled. - does that sound good? 
My
> other option for flow control is XON/XOFF.
> 3) In the promlink configuration I have the programmer port set to Com1,
> 9600, 8, none, and 1.  There's no option to set flow control.  Is there a
> way to set that in Promlink?
> 
> I tried the new PL.SET file but now it complains about Port1 and Port2. 
I
> can't communicate with the programmer at all.  Just wondering if I'm
> missing something.
> 
> Thanks for all the help.
> 
> Matt
> 
>  
>>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:40:37 +0100, Mike Coates <mike at the-coates.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I've used promlink on XP without problem (but then I patched it!)
>>>>
>>>> If you have no flow control, you are losing data during the transfer -
> 
>>>> simple commands are only a single byte, but file transfer either way
> is
>> 
>>>> going to send large amounts of info.
>>>>
>>>> you also say you are using com1, but the error indicates that it's 
>>>> trying to use com2 initially - I've attached my config file, def. com1
>> - 
>>>> but with flow control enabled - has worked for me using a cable made
> to
>> 
>>>> the specs on the leopardcats web page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matt Rossiter wrote:
>>>>> Hello, 
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm hooking up a laptop to a Data I/O UniPak 2B Eprom Programmer and
>>>>> connected through a USB to Serial adapter made by Airlink.  I'm using
>>>>> Promlink 6.10, which is the patched version from MikesArcade.com. 
>>>>>
>>>>> http://mikesarcade.com/arcade/promlink.html
>>>>>
>>>>> My Settings are Com1, 9600 Baud, Parity None, Data Bits 8, Stop Bits
> 1
>>>> and
>>>>> of course flow control is off.  I/O Format is current set to Absolute
>>>>> Binary. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I've read some of the threads before on this and I seem to be running
>>>> into
>>>>> a similar problem regarding trying to send and receive eprom data.  I
>>>> can
>>>>> do things such as blank checks, selecting devices, reading eproms,
>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1)  First of all, when I initially start up Promlink, I always get
>> this
>>>>> message "16 Bit MS-DOS Subsystem - pl.exe The system cannot open Com2
>>>> port
>>>>> requested by the application.  Choose 'Close' to terminate the
>>>> application.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rather than choosing 'Close' I click 'Ignore' and get in.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) When I read eproms, I can do so and get a sumcheck, but if I save
>>>> them
>>>>> to a file I can't identify the file using romident.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) When I try to send a file to the programmer I will see a progress
>> bar
>>>>> quickly go to 100% and it will wait indefinitely with a "Waiting for
>>>>> programmer response..." message.
>>> 
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From jrr at flippers.com  Thu Jul 24 15:25:38 2008
From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:25:38 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O and Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <4888BE95.6080103@the-coates.com>
References: <6fe1803e0c4dcc09b8c2cd5f7e11f41c@rossiters.com>
	<4888BE95.6080103@the-coates.com>
Message-ID: <4888D732.90602@flippers.com>

Mike Coates wrote:
> I've used promlink on XP without problem (but then I patched it!)
>
> If you have no flow control, you are losing data during the transfer - 
> simple commands are only a single byte, but file transfer either way 
> is going to send large amounts of info.
>
> you also say you are using com1, but the error indicates that it's 
> trying to use com2 initially - I've attached my config file, def. com1 
> - but with flow control enabled - has worked for me using a cable made 
> to the specs on the leopardcats web page.
>
>
Hi Mike (and everyone else),

I disabled attachments on TTL - was concerned about spam a while ago - 
so you can either send the file directly to Matt or send it to TTL FTP 
Incoming and I'll move it to the Data I/O directory.

Zip it up and call it Promlink-XP-SampleConfig.zip or something obvious...

Guess I can allow small attachments, say up to 100K if folks are OK with 
that.

John :-#)#
>
> Matt Rossiter wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I'm hooking up a laptop to a Data I/O UniPak 2B Eprom Programmer and
>> connected through a USB to Serial adapter made by Airlink.  I'm using
>> Promlink 6.10, which is the patched version from MikesArcade.com.
>> http://mikesarcade.com/arcade/promlink.html
>>
>> My Settings are Com1, 9600 Baud, Parity None, Data Bits 8, Stop Bits 
>> 1 and
>> of course flow control is off.  I/O Format is current set to Absolute
>> Binary.
>> I've read some of the threads before on this and I seem to be running 
>> into
>> a similar problem regarding trying to send and receive eprom data.  I 
>> can
>> do things such as blank checks, selecting devices, reading eproms, etc.
>>
>> 1)  First of all, when I initially start up Promlink, I always get this
>> message "16 Bit MS-DOS Subsystem - pl.exe The system cannot open Com2 
>> port
>> requested by the application.  Choose 'Close' to terminate the 
>> application.
>>
>>
>> Rather than choosing 'Close' I click 'Ignore' and get in.
>>
>> 2) When I read eproms, I can do so and get a sumcheck, but if I save 
>> them
>> to a file I can't identify the file using romident.
>>
>> 3) When I try to send a file to the programmer I will see a progress bar
>> quickly go to 100% and it will wait indefinitely with a "Waiting for
>> programmer response..." message.
>
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>
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From jrr at flippers.com  Sun Aug  3 21:32:19 2008
From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:32:19 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Ping: trollian aka XY-Man_at_pyramidm.demon.co.uk
 aka B. D'Oliveira aka aztarac@ukvac.org.uk
Message-ID: <48965C23.9010203@flippers.com>

Well, sort of a lost cause but trying to track this fellow down as he 
seems to be the only person on the planet with copies of the Atari 
Pinball Test Fixture overlay cards....I've been trying to get a copy for 
over ten years from whoever has a set, but have turned up nothing - 
however wandering through my email I find that XY-Man had these and we 
had talked about them back in '99.

So, yup, a long shot, but figured someone might know this fellow - he 
lives(d) in Atherton, UK...

John :-#)#

-- 
John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 
Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames)
                 www.flippers.com 
"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"


From mail at nessandsteve.plus.com  Mon Aug  4 12:13:46 2008
From: mail at nessandsteve.plus.com (mail at nessandsteve.plus.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:13:46 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Ping: trollian aka
 XY-Man_at_pyramidm.demon.co.uk aka B. D'Oliveira aka aztarac@ukvac.org.uk
In-Reply-To: <48965C23.9010203@flippers.com>
References: <48965C23.9010203@flippers.com>
Message-ID: <7515.80.229.253.21.1217866426.squirrel@webmail.plus.net>

I heard he now lives in the USA.

> Well, sort of a lost cause but trying to track this fellow down as he
> seems to be the only person on the planet with copies of the Atari
> Pinball Test Fixture overlay cards....I've been trying to get a copy for
> over ten years from whoever has a set, but have turned up nothing -
> however wandering through my email I find that XY-Man had these and we
> had talked about them back in '99.
>
> So, yup, a long shot, but figured someone might know this fellow - he
> lives(d) in Atherton, UK...
>
> John :-#)#
>
> --
> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9
> Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames)
>                  www.flippers.com
> "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"
>
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From warlords at punkass.com  Sun Aug 17 12:33:29 2008
From: warlords at punkass.com (Andy Welburn)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:33:29 +0100
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Ping: trollian aka
	XY-Man_at_pyramidm.demon.co.uk aka B. D'Oliveira aka
	aztarac@ukvac.org.uk
References: <48965C23.9010203@flippers.com>
Message-ID: <005301c90087$1ad08d30$9700a8c0@server>

I had those very same pinball test fixture overlays in my hand in about 2000 
when i worked with the guy. I never got round to scanning them, he knew you 
wanted them but was holding out for some reason.

The last i heard was, he still has a storage place in Manchester, but he 
moved with most of his stuff to southern Georgia in the US.

He's apparently still doing videogame stuff, but he has a zero web presence 
from what i can make out nowadays. He is of course still sitting on all of 
the paperwork from the Tipperary Atari Ireland factory .. he always wanted 
to build a large database of information to put on the web, but he was put 
off by Scotts' inclusion of atari confidential documents online (weirdly). I 
tried for a number of years afterwards to do something with the archive, but 
he resisted any help.. and now he's all but dissapeared..

Andy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Robertson" <jrr at flippers.com>
To: <techtoolslist at flippers.com>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 2:32 AM
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Ping: trollian aka XY-Man_at_pyramidm.demon.co.uk 
aka B. D'Oliveira aka aztarac at ukvac.org.uk


> Well, sort of a lost cause but trying to track this fellow down as he 
> seems to be the only person on the planet with copies of the Atari Pinball 
> Test Fixture overlay cards....I've been trying to get a copy for over ten 
> years from whoever has a set, but have turned up nothing - however 
> wandering through my email I find that XY-Man had these and we had talked 
> about them back in '99.
>
> So, yup, a long shot, but figured someone might know this fellow - he 
> lives(d) in Atherton, UK...
>
> John :-#)#
>
> -- 
> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call 
> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames)
>                 www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip 
> out"
>
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From matt at rossiters.com  Thu Aug 28 20:37:45 2008
From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:37:45 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Tektronix 1230 Logic Analyzer video
Message-ID: <9bf4783308449722e8ee569cf6cb514c@rossiters.com>



This is a pretty cheezy but helpful quicktime video on operating the
Tektronix 1230 Logic Analyzer.   

http://games.rossiters.com/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=3502 [1] 

Enjoy... 

Matt

Links:
------
[1] http://games.rossiters.com/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=3502

From matt at rossiters.com  Sat Sep 13 04:20:27 2008
From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:20:27 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist]
	=?utf-8?q?Fluke_9010a_Troubleshooting_w/_Omega_Ra?=
	=?utf-8?q?ce_=28now_Xeltek_SuperPro_question=29?=
In-Reply-To: <p06230907c1dab709a1c6@[192.168.0.101]>
References: <20070122002539.S10791@rossiters.com>
	<p06230907c1dab709a1c6@[192.168.0.101]>
Message-ID: <5e9f59fe81bc3c984c877c3dd294708e@rossiters.com>

Hey John,

I recently swooped up a Xeltek SuperPro Model 280U on Ebay for a pretty
cheap price.  It works great and I can test a number of rams with it
including 6116 Static Rams, but I don't see any support for 2114 rams.  How
were you able to make your Xeltek SuperPro be able to test them?

Just Curious,

Matt


On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:01:59 -0800, John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com>
wrote:
...
> 
> I had a lot (8) of the 2114's that were bad and ended up making my 
> Xeltek Super Pro be able to test those suckers as I do not have a 
> stand-alone RAM tester that would handle the 2114.
> 
> Problems with reading the Vector ROM/RAM have yet to be solved, even 
> had trouble reading the game ROM for a while - flaky 74LS138.
> 
> I hate getting working on these corroded boards. Not worth my time, 
> yet too much of a challenge to discard...I love puzzles too much!
> 
> John :-#)#
> 
> At 12:36 AM -0800 1/22/07, Matt Rossiter wrote:
>>This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try
>>here.
>>
>>Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I
have
>>the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod.
>>
>>First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod.  I can see
>>that the Reset line is pulsing.  It won't run if I disable the watchdog
>>circuit either.  *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test
>>successfully.  Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus
>>test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together.  Of course, if I
>>put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine.
>>
>>So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an
>>Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod.
>>This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man.
>>
>>thanks
>>
>>Matt
> 
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From matt at rossiters.com  Sat Sep 13 16:22:33 2008
From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:22:33 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist]
	=?utf-8?q?Fluke_9010a_Troubleshooting_w/_Omega_Ra?=
	=?utf-8?q?ce_=28now_Xeltek_SuperPro_question=29?=
In-Reply-To: <5e9f59fe81bc3c984c877c3dd294708e@rossiters.com>
References: <20070122002539.S10791@rossiters.com>
	<p06230907c1dab709a1c6@[192.168.0.101]>
	<5e9f59fe81bc3c984c877c3dd294708e@rossiters.com>
Message-ID: <5979b86fe1f23a9379f65705d0323cb5@rossiters.com>

This question is for anyone of course.  :)

Thanks!

Matt

On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:20:27 -0700, Matt Rossiter <matt at rossiters.com>
wrote:
> Hey John,
> 
> I recently swooped up a Xeltek SuperPro Model 280U on Ebay for a pretty
> cheap price.  It works great and I can test a number of rams with it
> including 6116 Static Rams, but I don't see any support for 2114 rams. 
How
> were you able to make your Xeltek SuperPro be able to test them?
> 
> Just Curious,
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:01:59 -0800, John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com>
> wrote:
> ...
>> 
>> I had a lot (8) of the 2114's that were bad and ended up making my 
>> Xeltek Super Pro be able to test those suckers as I do not have a 
>> stand-alone RAM tester that would handle the 2114.
>> 
>> Problems with reading the Vector ROM/RAM have yet to be solved, even 
>> had trouble reading the game ROM for a while - flaky 74LS138.
>> 
>> I hate getting working on these corroded boards. Not worth my time, 
>> yet too much of a challenge to discard...I love puzzles too much!
>> 
>> John :-#)#
>> 
>> At 12:36 AM -0800 1/22/07, Matt Rossiter wrote:
>>>This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try
>>>here.
>>>
>>>Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I
> have
>>>the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod.
>>>
>>>First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod.  I can see
>>>that the Reset line is pulsing.  It won't run if I disable the watchdog
>>>circuit either.  *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test
>>>successfully.  Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus
>>>test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together.  Of course, if
I
>>>put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine.
>>>
>>>So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup
an
>>>Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80
pod.
>>>This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man.
>>>
>>>thanks
>>>
>>>Matt
>> 
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From jrr at flippers.com  Sat Sep 13 12:18:19 2008
From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:18:19 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a Troubleshooting w/ Omega Race (now
 Xeltek SuperPro question)
In-Reply-To: <5e9f59fe81bc3c984c877c3dd294708e@rossiters.com>
References: <20070122002539.S10791@rossiters.com>	<p06230907c1dab709a1c6@[192.168.0.101]>
	<5e9f59fe81bc3c984c877c3dd294708e@rossiters.com>
Message-ID: <48CBE7CB.9050909@flippers.com>

I had an earlier version of the SuperPro software that allows you to 
create your own test patterns for RAMs or ROM/PROMs - this was at an 
extra cost back in the mid-90s.. Ask Xeltek if they provide the 
Algorithm Generator software for your model.

My older SuperPro also have the native ability to create simple 
algorithms for TTL logic chips that were not in its library. I used that 
feature to write some simple tests for 40 pin PIAs that were not 
supported at the time - nicely enough the 6821/6820/6520 was supported 
which is a help checking those out.

John :-#)#

Matt Rossiter wrote:
> Hey John,
>
> I recently swooped up a Xeltek SuperPro Model 280U on Ebay for a pretty
> cheap price.  It works great and I can test a number of rams with it
> including 6116 Static Rams, but I don't see any support for 2114 rams.  How
> were you able to make your Xeltek SuperPro be able to test them?
>
> Just Curious,
>
> Matt
>
>
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:01:59 -0800, John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com>
> wrote:
> ...
>   
>> I had a lot (8) of the 2114's that were bad and ended up making my 
>> Xeltek Super Pro be able to test those suckers as I do not have a 
>> stand-alone RAM tester that would handle the 2114.
>>
>> Problems with reading the Vector ROM/RAM have yet to be solved, even 
>> had trouble reading the game ROM for a while - flaky 74LS138.
>>
>> I hate getting working on these corroded boards. Not worth my time, 
>> yet too much of a challenge to discard...I love puzzles too much!
>>
>> John :-#)#
>>
>> At 12:36 AM -0800 1/22/07, Matt Rossiter wrote:
>>     
>>> This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try
>>> here.
>>>
>>> Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I
>>>       
> have
>   
>>> the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod.
>>>
>>> First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod.  I can see
>>> that the Reset line is pulsing.  It won't run if I disable the watchdog
>>> circuit either.  *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test
>>> successfully.  Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus
>>> test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together.  Of course, if I
>>> put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine.
>>>
>>> So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an
>>> Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod.
>>> This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>       
>> __


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From teeray at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 18 19:16:17 2008
From: teeray at earthlink.net (teeray)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:16:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Techtoolslist] techtoolslist: HP 5006A help
Message-ID: <19130091.1221779778018.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Does anyone have or know were I can get a readable copy of the
schematics for the HP 5006A?

I have the down loadable manual from Agilent and everything is readable
except the schematics. All of the down loadable manuals I have found
are like this.

Thanks
Tim
 

From jrr at flippers.com  Sat Sep 20 12:19:32 2008
From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:19:32 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] techtoolslist: HP 5006A help
In-Reply-To: <19130091.1221779778018.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <19130091.1221779778018.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <48D52294.3040909@flippers.com>

teeray wrote:
> Does anyone have or know were I can get a readable copy of the
> schematics for the HP 5006A?
>
> I have the down loadable manual from Agilent and everything is readable
> except the schematics. All of the down loadable manuals I have found
> are like this.
>
> Thanks
> Tim
>  
>   
So - does anyone have the HP 5006A manual and a decent copy of pages 
8-43 and 8-45 that they could scan and upload to TTL ftp so I could 
repair the bad copy on our site?  Looks like Agilent is using the same 
copy which I think I got from Spies years ago (thanks AL!).

Thanks,

John :-#)#

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From teeray at earthlink.net  Mon Sep 22 12:58:51 2008
From: teeray at earthlink.net (teeray)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:58:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Techtoolslist] techtoolslist: HP 5006A help
Message-ID: <14752065.1222102731843.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thanks John
Looks like several pages are missing.  8-46 is the last page in the file, but
contents shows pages up to 8-51. I know the probe and timing pod schematics
are missing also the Option 30 and Option 40 info.


>teeray wrote:
>> Does anyone have or know were I can get a readable copy of the
>> schematics for the HP 5006A?
>>
>> I have the down loadable manual from Agilent and everything is readable
>> except the schematics. All of the down loadable manuals I have found
>> are like this.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tim
>>  
>>   
>So - does anyone have the HP 5006A manual and a decent copy of pages 
>8-43 and 8-45 that they could scan and upload to TTL ftp so I could 
>repair the bad copy on our site?  Looks like Agilent is using the same 
>copy which I think I got from Spies years ago (thanks AL!).
>
>Thanks,
>
>John :-#)#
>
>-- 
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>Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames)
>                 www.flippers.com 
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From colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com  Tue Sep 23 20:18:19 2008
From: colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com (Colin Davies)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:18:19 +0100
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a issue with pod self test
Message-ID: <FFB1D0D5CA56480DB28A8FD75C6FF3CB@CWDXP1600>

I just tried my new fluke 9010a with RS-232... passes self test... but when I plug a known working 6502 pod in and do a bus test it reports 6502 pod error 00 (iirc)....

Is this a relatively easy fix or should I bite the bullet and move the rs-232 module over to my working unit ?  ( Is that all I have to do ? or are there other modifications required to the base unit to accept it ?)

I'd rather fix the faulty unit to be honest, as the worker is in really really great condition so I'd like to keep it as a spare and use the other new arrival for now.....

Thanks for your help,
Regards, Colin

From colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com  Tue Sep 23 20:47:16 2008
From: colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com (Colin Davies)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:47:16 +0100
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a issue with pod self test
References: <FFB1D0D5CA56480DB28A8FD75C6FF3CB@CWDXP1600>
Message-ID: <A2E745F11E614665849FA4165C563EF0@CWDXP1600>

Having a look at the service manual I'm thinking it might need a new 6820 
Pia chip... would I be along the right lines ?

Cheers, Colin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Colin Davies" <colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com>
To: <techtoolslist at flippers.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:18 AM
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a issue with pod self test


>I just tried my new fluke 9010a with RS-232... passes self test... but when 
>I plug a known working 6502 pod in and do a bus test it reports 6502 pod 
>error 00 (iirc)....
>
> Is this a relatively easy fix or should I bite the bullet and move the 
> rs-232 module over to my working unit ?  ( Is that all I have to do ? or 
> are there other modifications required to the base unit to accept it ?)
>
> I'd rather fix the faulty unit to be honest, as the worker is in really 
> really great condition so I'd like to keep it as a spare and use the other 
> new arrival for now.....
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Regards, Colin
> _______________________________________________
> Techtoolslist mailing list
> Techtoolslist at flippers.com
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
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From colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com  Wed Sep 24 15:15:59 2008
From: colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com (Colin Davies)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:15:59 +0100
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a issue with pod self test - Dohh !
References: <FFB1D0D5CA56480DB28A8FD75C6FF3CB@CWDXP1600>
	<A2E745F11E614665849FA4165C563EF0@CWDXP1600>
Message-ID: <D5F9511EE73B46E1A67CD9783EBEA17D@CWDXP1600>

Ahh... I replaced the PIA with a 6821... still no joy...  Then I noticed 
that the self test socket on the pod was a little loose (the thumb wheel is 
very very stiff on it) - Dohh !! Problem solved... a little embarrasing... 
:-)

It was just my luck that when I swapped the pod over , it was making bad 
contact in the self test socket, swapped it to the working unit and contact 
was good...swapped back to faulty unit.. contact was bad... Finally put the 
pod back on the worker only to have it fail !! - That was a heart stopping 
moment... Then I noticed the cause !!

This 9010a unit also only 3 roms, the manual mentions a piggy back rom 
board, but no sign of it... Running Version 3A  ( I havent opened the other 
unit up, also 3A to check)

Anyway... back to my first question.... Can you just swap the RS-232 module 
over without any further mods.. ?

Thanks for you help guys..

Kind Regards, Colin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Colin Davies" <colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com>
To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist at flippers.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a issue with pod self test


> Having a look at the service manual I'm thinking it might need a new 6820 
> Pia chip... would I be along the right lines ?
>
> Cheers, Colin
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Colin Davies" <colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com>
> To: <techtoolslist at flippers.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:18 AM
> Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a issue with pod self test
>
>
>>I just tried my new fluke 9010a with RS-232... passes self test... but 
>>when I plug a known working 6502 pod in and do a bus test it reports 6502 
>>pod error 00 (iirc)....
>>
>> Is this a relatively easy fix or should I bite the bullet and move the 
>> rs-232 module over to my working unit ?  ( Is that all I have to do ? or 
>> are there other modifications required to the base unit to accept it ?)
>>
>> I'd rather fix the faulty unit to be honest, as the worker is in really 
>> really great condition so I'd like to keep it as a spare and use the 
>> other new arrival for now.....
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>> Regards, Colin
>> _______________________________________________
>> Techtoolslist mailing list
>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
>> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment
>
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From ajcrm125 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 15:54:01 2008
From: ajcrm125 at gmail.com (Adam Courchesne)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:54:01 -0400
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a issue with pod self test - Dohh !
In-Reply-To: <D5F9511EE73B46E1A67CD9783EBEA17D@CWDXP1600>
References: <FFB1D0D5CA56480DB28A8FD75C6FF3CB@CWDXP1600>
	<A2E745F11E614665849FA4165C563EF0@CWDXP1600>
	<D5F9511EE73B46E1A67CD9783EBEA17D@CWDXP1600>
Message-ID: <7fcc300809241254u73438e74vaf9a7b6e7c12bb0f@mail.gmail.com>

I believe you can.  The RS232 is an option that exists in address
space if I remember correctly.  It reads some status bits to know
whether or not the RS232 is installed or not.

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Colin Davies
<colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com> wrote:
> Ahh... I replaced the PIA with a 6821... still no joy...  Then I noticed
> that the self test socket on the pod was a little loose (the thumb wheel is
> very very stiff on it) - Dohh !! Problem solved... a little embarrasing...
> :-)
>
> It was just my luck that when I swapped the pod over , it was making bad
> contact in the self test socket, swapped it to the working unit and contact
> was good...swapped back to faulty unit.. contact was bad... Finally put the
> pod back on the worker only to have it fail !! - That was a heart stopping
> moment... Then I noticed the cause !!
>
> This 9010a unit also only 3 roms, the manual mentions a piggy back rom
> board, but no sign of it... Running Version 3A  ( I havent opened the other
> unit up, also 3A to check)
>
> Anyway... back to my first question.... Can you just swap the RS-232 module
> over without any further mods.. ?
>
> Thanks for you help guys..
>
> Kind Regards, Colin
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Davies"
> <colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com>
> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist at flippers.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a issue with pod self test
>
>
>> Having a look at the service manual I'm thinking it might need a new 6820
>> Pia chip... would I be along the right lines ?
>>
>> Cheers, Colin
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Davies"
>> <colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com>
>> To: <techtoolslist at flippers.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:18 AM
>> Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a issue with pod self test
>>
>>
>>> I just tried my new fluke 9010a with RS-232... passes self test... but
>>> when I plug a known working 6502 pod in and do a bus test it reports 6502
>>> pod error 00 (iirc)....
>>>
>>> Is this a relatively easy fix or should I bite the bullet and move the
>>> rs-232 module over to my working unit ?  ( Is that all I have to do ? or are
>>> there other modifications required to the base unit to accept it ?)
>>>
>>> I'd rather fix the faulty unit to be honest, as the worker is in really
>>> really great condition so I'd like to keep it as a spare and use the other
>>> new arrival for now.....
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>> Regards, Colin
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Techtoolslist mailing list
>>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com
>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
>>> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From jrr at flippers.com  Wed Sep 24 15:57:04 2008
From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:57:04 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a issue with pod self test - Dohh !
In-Reply-To: <D5F9511EE73B46E1A67CD9783EBEA17D@CWDXP1600>
References: <FFB1D0D5CA56480DB28A8FD75C6FF3CB@CWDXP1600>	<A2E745F11E614665849FA4165C563EF0@CWDXP1600>
	<D5F9511EE73B46E1A67CD9783EBEA17D@CWDXP1600>
Message-ID: <48DA9B90.4060505@flippers.com>

Colin Davies wrote:
> Ahh... I replaced the PIA with a 6821... still no joy...  Then I 
> noticed that the self test socket on the pod was a little loose (the 
> thumb wheel is very very stiff on it) - Dohh !! Problem solved... a 
> little embarrasing... :-)
>
> It was just my luck that when I swapped the pod over , it was making 
> bad contact in the self test socket, swapped it to the working unit 
> and contact was good...swapped back to faulty unit.. contact was 
> bad... Finally put the pod back on the worker only to have it fail !! 
> - That was a heart stopping moment... Then I noticed the cause !!
>
> This 9010a unit also only 3 roms, the manual mentions a piggy back rom 
> board, but no sign of it... Running Version 3A  ( I havent opened the 
> other unit up, also 3A to check)
>
> Anyway... back to my first question.... Can you just swap the RS-232 
> module over without any further mods.. ?
>
> Thanks for you help guys..
>
> Kind Regards, Colin
>
Hi Colin,

Yes, you can move the RS-232 to the newer 9010. As for the ROM question, 
it depended on when the 9010 was made, some have the extension, others 
do not. However they are pretty much all -3A so the code is the same.

John :-#)#
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Davies" 
> <colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com>
> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist at flippers.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a issue with pod self test
>
>
>> Having a look at the service manual I'm thinking it might need a new 
>> 6820 Pia chip... would I be along the right lines ?
>>
>> Cheers, Colin
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Davies" 
>> <colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com>
>> To: <techtoolslist at flippers.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:18 AM
>> Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a issue with pod self test
>>
>>
>>> I just tried my new fluke 9010a with RS-232... passes self test... 
>>> but when I plug a known working 6502 pod in and do a bus test it 
>>> reports 6502 pod error 00 (iirc)....
>>>
>>> Is this a relatively easy fix or should I bite the bullet and move 
>>> the rs-232 module over to my working unit ?  ( Is that all I have to 
>>> do ? or are there other modifications required to the base unit to 
>>> accept it ?)
>>>
>>> I'd rather fix the faulty unit to be honest, as the worker is in 
>>> really really great condition so I'd like to keep it as a spare and 
>>> use the other new arrival for now.....
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>> Regards, Colin 


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From Markhooks at embarqmail.com  Mon Sep 29 21:23:43 2008
From: Markhooks at embarqmail.com (Mark Hooks)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:23:43 -0400
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Ram Diagnosis Help Needed
Message-ID: <001201c9229b$2e546d50$8afd47f0$@com>

I'm trying to learn more about how to interpret RAM read/write test  results
on Atari 6502 based games. Can someone recommend a good text book where I
can learn more about how to sort out high from low bits ? The Atari Cat Box
manual assumes you have this basic knowledge.... which I don't.  I've
searched the archives and the FTP site to no avail.

 

Mark Hooks


From jrr at flippers.com  Mon Sep 29 23:56:33 2008
From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:56:33 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Ram Diagnosis Help Needed
In-Reply-To: <001201c9229b$2e546d50$8afd47f0$@com>
References: <001201c9229b$2e546d50$8afd47f0$@com>
Message-ID: <48E1A371.2040704@flippers.com>

Mark Hooks wrote:
> I'm trying to learn more about how to interpret RAM read/write test  results
> on Atari 6502 based games. Can someone recommend a good text book where I
> can learn more about how to sort out high from low bits ? The Atari Cat Box
> manual assumes you have this basic knowledge.... which I don't.  I've
> searched the archives and the FTP site to no avail.
>
>  
>
> Mark Hooks
>
>
>   

High RAM is data bits 4 - 7, Low RAM is data bits 0 - 3.

Try this with the CAT box when it says there is a RAM error - write a 
memory location with "AA" then read it. Should be "AA" of course. then 
try writing "55" and reading that back.

OK, so, lets say AA worked fine(10101010) but 55  (01010101)gave back 45 
(01000101). This would mean that  the Low RAM has a stuck bit (Low at 
that memory location) on data line 3. This is a VERY basic RAM test, but 
gives you the idea of how RAM tests.

There are many web pages on RAM testing and the algorithms used, 
fascinating reading!

John :-#)#

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From jrr at flippers.com  Tue Sep 30 12:35:58 2008
From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:35:58 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Ram Diagnosis Help Needed
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John Robertson wrote:
> Mark Hooks wrote:
>> I'm trying to learn more about how to interpret RAM read/write test  
>> results
>> on Atari 6502 based games. Can someone recommend a good text book 
>> where I
>> can learn more about how to sort out high from low bits ? The Atari 
>> Cat Box
>> manual assumes you have this basic knowledge.... which I don't.  I've
>> searched the archives and the FTP site to no avail.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Mark Hooks
>>
>>
>>   
>
> High RAM is data bits 4 - 7, Low RAM is data bits 0 - 3.
>
> Try this with the CAT box when it says there is a RAM error - write a 
> memory location with "AA" then read it. Should be "AA" of course. then 
> try writing "55" and reading that back.
>
> OK, so, lets say AA worked fine(10101010) but 55  (01010101)gave back 
> 45 (01000101). This would mean that  the Low RAM has a stuck bit (Low 
> at that memory location) on data line 3. This is a VERY basic RAM 
> test, but gives you the idea of how RAM tests.
>
> There are many web pages on RAM testing and the algorithms used, 
> fascinating reading!
>
> John :-#)#
>
Ah, right, can't count...the error is on data bit 4, not 3...you count 
from the right to left from least to most significant digit.

John :-#(#

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