From mail at nessandsteve.plus.com Mon Oct 6 11:55:51 2008 From: mail at nessandsteve.plus.com (mail at nessandsteve.plus.com) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:55:51 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100/6800pod and bally mpu help needed. Message-ID: <7578.80.229.253.21.1223308551.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Hello all, I am hoping someone can help me out. Let me start by describing what has lead me to this: I receive a Bally MPU board P# r2518-35 (Star Trek) that needs repairing. I hook up the fluke and boot it up and get a bad clock error. I notice someone has replaced the 74s37 with a 74LS00, so replcing it restores the clock. I "Run UUT" and the status LED stays on. I check the jumpers and find that 2 are wired incorrectly so I set them right and and I still get nothing. After much head scratching and checking various things with a scope I couldn't see a problem. I replace the cpu and its socket with a spare and it starts the self test process. I continue on and it gets snagged on each step so replacing the sockets on the RAM and PIA at U8 and U11 gets me to the second to last test which failed due to a broken lead on c16. Replacing restored it to fully working. So the MPU board is now completetly working on the bench but if I use my fluke it will not start the self test process. I have tried starting the "Run UUT" from address $1000 and $5000 as I believe this to be the address for each ROM but still nothing. Just to be sure it was not a pod failure I tried a NOS one from the shelf and got the same effect. (Both pods pass self test) Can someone point out something really obvious? Cheers Steve From Corey at Stup.net Mon Oct 6 12:09:00 2008 From: Corey at Stup.net (Corey Stup) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:09:00 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100/6800pod and bally mpu help needed. In-Reply-To: <7578.80.229.253.21.1223308551.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> References: <7578.80.229.253.21.1223308551.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Message-ID: <48EA381C.6040405@Stup.net> mail at nessandsteve.plus.com wrote: > I have tried starting the "Run UUT" from address $1000 and $5000 as I > believe this to be the address for each ROM but still nothing. Read the address stored in $FFFE and $FFFF. The reset vector is stored there, which is the address the CPU jumps to on reset. If you run UUT to that address, it will do the same process as on your test bench. From mike at the-coates.com Mon Oct 6 13:19:34 2008 From: mike at the-coates.com (Mike Coates) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:19:34 +0100 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100/6800pod and bally mpu help needed. In-Reply-To: <7578.80.229.253.21.1223308551.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> References: <7578.80.229.253.21.1223308551.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Message-ID: <48EA48A6.20900@the-coates.com> > I have tried starting the "Run UUT" from address $1000 and $5000 as I > believe this to be the address for each ROM but still nothing. I have a gaelco world rally PCB that will not 'run UUT' either. I can read / checksum ROM ok, test RAM - all works as expected. I can even copy a program into RAM and run uut at that address and it works, but it will not run the code from ROM. The PCB works fine with a 68000 in the slot (even using the one from within the fluke pod!) Other gaelco PCB's work fine, another copy of the same game works fine with run UUT so, no idea why, but it does seem to happen. From jrr at flippers.com Mon Oct 6 12:11:54 2008 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:11:54 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100/6800pod and bally mpu help needed. In-Reply-To: <7578.80.229.253.21.1223308551.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> References: <7578.80.229.253.21.1223308551.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Message-ID: <48EA38CA.9070408@flippers.com> mail at nessandsteve.plus.com wrote: > Hello all, > I am hoping someone can help me out. Let me start by describing what has > lead me to this: > I receive a Bally MPU board P# r2518-35 (Star Trek) that needs > repairing. > I hook up the fluke and boot it up and get a bad clock error. > I notice someone has replaced the 74s37 with a 74LS00, so replcing it > restores the clock. > I "Run UUT" and the status LED stays on. > I check the jumpers and find that 2 are wired incorrectly so I set > them right and and I still get nothing. > After much head scratching and checking various things with a scope I > couldn't see a problem. > I replace the cpu and its socket with a spare and it starts the self > test process. > I continue on and it gets snagged on each step so replacing the > sockets on the RAM and PIA at U8 and U11 gets me to the second to last > test which failed due to a broken lead on c16. Replacing restored it > to fully working. > > So the MPU board is now completetly working on the bench but if I use > my fluke it will not start the self test process. > I have tried starting the "Run UUT" from address $1000 and $5000 as I > believe this to be the address for each ROM but still nothing. > > Just to be sure it was not a pod failure I tried a NOS one from the > shelf and got the same effect. (Both pods pass self test) > > Can someone point out something really obvious? > > Cheers > Steve > > "Run UUT" requires you to either accept the default boot location (recommended!) or enter it by hand. Your choices (1000h or 5000h) are not the boot location the CPU is looking for in the ROM code, if I remember correctly the boot location for a 6800 is something like FFFEh or FFFCh - its in the manufacturers guide to the CPU in question. Best to simply power down the UUT, then power down the 9010, then power the 9010 back up and then the UUT and then do the "Run UUT" and press "Enter" twice without adding anything else. Should work if it works for the original CPU. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From mail at nessandsteve.plus.com Tue Oct 7 15:11:07 2008 From: mail at nessandsteve.plus.com (mail at nessandsteve.plus.com) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 20:11:07 +0100 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100/6800pod and bally mpu help needed. References: <7578.80.229.253.21.1223308551.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <48EA38CA.9070408@flippers.com> Message-ID: <52301304FF164BB19719CE920DAAAB94@poacher> Thanks John, I tried what you and Corey have kindly suggested. From this I found 58e1 to be the start location. When I try starting from this location it still wont boot so I guess as Macro has pointed out it may just be hard luck. It is a 9100ft that I am using and when I view the boot rom everything prior to location 5800 is FF so I tried starting at 5800 as well but still no go. Shame as I wanted to write a program specific to the bally MPU. But at least the mpu board works with a real CPU in it now. Thanks everyone for your help. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: "Technical Tools Mail List" Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100/6800pod and bally mpu help needed. > mail at nessandsteve.plus.com wrote: >> Hello all, >> I am hoping someone can help me out. Let me start by describing what has >> lead me to this: >> I receive a Bally MPU board P# r2518-35 (Star Trek) that needs >> repairing. >> I hook up the fluke and boot it up and get a bad clock error. >> I notice someone has replaced the 74s37 with a 74LS00, so replcing it >> restores the clock. >> I "Run UUT" and the status LED stays on. >> I check the jumpers and find that 2 are wired incorrectly so I set >> them right and and I still get nothing. >> After much head scratching and checking various things with a scope I >> couldn't see a problem. >> I replace the cpu and its socket with a spare and it starts the self >> test process. >> I continue on and it gets snagged on each step so replacing the >> sockets on the RAM and PIA at U8 and U11 gets me to the second to last >> test which failed due to a broken lead on c16. Replacing restored it >> to fully working. >> >> So the MPU board is now completetly working on the bench but if I use >> my fluke it will not start the self test process. >> I have tried starting the "Run UUT" from address $1000 and $5000 as I >> believe this to be the address for each ROM but still nothing. >> >> Just to be sure it was not a pod failure I tried a NOS one from the >> shelf and got the same effect. (Both pods pass self test) >> >> Can someone point out something really obvious? >> >> Cheers >> Steve >> >> > "Run UUT" requires you to either accept the default boot location > (recommended!) or enter it by hand. > > Your choices (1000h or 5000h) are not the boot location the CPU is looking > for in the ROM code, if I remember correctly the boot location for a 6800 > is something like FFFEh or FFFCh - its in the manufacturers guide to the > CPU in question. > > Best to simply power down the UUT, then power down the 9010, then power > the 9010 back up and then the UUT and then do the "Run UUT" and press > "Enter" twice without adding anything else. Should work if it works for > the original CPU. > > John :-#)# > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment From martin at guddler.co.uk Tue Oct 7 17:56:30 2008 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:56:30 +0100 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100/6800pod and bally mpu help needed. In-Reply-To: <52301304FF164BB19719CE920DAAAB94@poacher> References: <7578.80.229.253.21.1223308551.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <48EA38CA.9070408@flippers.com> <52301304FF164BB19719CE920DAAAB94@poacher> Message-ID: Hi Steve, While a PITA, I don't think it's too uncommon. I have a Z80 based board on the bench right now that will do all the usual troubleshooting stuff and now I've fixed it, work with a normal CPU, however the run UUT simply won't do squat. Martin. On 7 Oct 2008, at 20:11, wrote: > Thanks John, > I tried what you and Corey have kindly suggested. From this I found > 58e1 to be the start location. When I try starting from this > location it still wont boot so I guess as Macro has pointed out it > may just be hard luck. > It is a 9100ft that I am using and when I view the boot rom > everything prior to location 5800 is FF so I tried starting at 5800 > as well but still no go. > Shame as I wanted to write a program specific to the bally MPU. > But at least the mpu board works with a real CPU in it now. > > Thanks everyone for your help. > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" > To: "Technical Tools Mail List" > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 5:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100/6800pod and bally mpu help > needed. > > >> mail at nessandsteve.plus.com wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> I am hoping someone can help me out. Let me start by describing >>> what has >>> lead me to this: >>> I receive a Bally MPU board P# r2518-35 (Star Trek) that needs >>> repairing. >>> I hook up the fluke and boot it up and get a bad clock error. >>> I notice someone has replaced the 74s37 with a 74LS00, so replcing >>> it >>> restores the clock. >>> I "Run UUT" and the status LED stays on. >>> I check the jumpers and find that 2 are wired incorrectly so I set >>> them right and and I still get nothing. >>> After much head scratching and checking various things with a >>> scope I >>> couldn't see a problem. >>> I replace the cpu and its socket with a spare and it starts the self >>> test process. >>> I continue on and it gets snagged on each step so replacing the >>> sockets on the RAM and PIA at U8 and U11 gets me to the second to >>> last >>> test which failed due to a broken lead on c16. Replacing restored it >>> to fully working. >>> >>> So the MPU board is now completetly working on the bench but if I >>> use >>> my fluke it will not start the self test process. >>> I have tried starting the "Run UUT" from address $1000 and $5000 >>> as I >>> believe this to be the address for each ROM but still nothing. >>> >>> Just to be sure it was not a pod failure I tried a NOS one from the >>> shelf and got the same effect. (Both pods pass self test) >>> >>> Can someone point out something really obvious? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Steve >>> >>> >> "Run UUT" requires you to either accept the default boot location >> (recommended!) or enter it by hand. >> >> Your choices (1000h or 5000h) are not the boot location the CPU is >> looking for in the ROM code, if I remember correctly the boot >> location for a 6800 is something like FFFEh or FFFCh - its in the >> manufacturers guide to the CPU in question. >> >> Best to simply power down the UUT, then power down the 9010, then >> power the 9010 back up and then the UUT and then do the "Run UUT" >> and press "Enter" twice without adding anything else. Should work >> if it works for the original CPU. >> >> John :-#)# >> >> -- >> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they >> just flip out" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment From jrr at flippers.com Tue Oct 7 18:14:19 2008 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:14:19 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100/6800pod and bally mpu help needed. In-Reply-To: References: <7578.80.229.253.21.1223308551.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <48EA38CA.9070408@flippers.com> <52301304FF164BB19719CE920DAAAB94@poacher> Message-ID: <48EBDF3B.9050805@flippers.com> martin at guddler.co.uk wrote: > Hi Steve, > > While a PITA, I don't think it's too uncommon. I have a Z80 based > board on the bench right now that will do all the usual > troubleshooting stuff and now I've fixed it, work with a normal CPU, > however the run UUT simply won't do squat. > > Martin. How fast is the Z80 on your UUT? The regular Z80 pod is the slowest, there is a faster one with a Z80A, and then the fastest is the Z80QT pod. I checked the differences between the Z80 and Z80AA pod and all I could see what they stuffed in the faster (Z80A) CPU!. Of course you want to look into the more expensive twisted pair cable for the faster CPUs as you may be introducing additional electronic/electrical noise into the system if the CPU wires are not shielded... John :-#)# > > On 7 Oct 2008, at 20:11, > wrote: > >> Thanks John, >> I tried what you and Corey have kindly suggested. From this I found >> 58e1 to be the start location. When I try starting from this location >> it still wont boot so I guess as Macro has pointed out it may just be >> hard luck. >> It is a 9100ft that I am using and when I view the boot rom >> everything prior to location 5800 is FF so I tried starting at 5800 >> as well but still no go. >> Shame as I wanted to write a program specific to the bally MPU. >> But at least the mpu board works with a real CPU in it now. >> >> Thanks everyone for your help. >> Steve >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" >> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" >> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 5:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100/6800pod and bally mpu help >> needed. >> >> >>> mail at nessandsteve.plus.com wrote: >>>> Hello all, >>>> I am hoping someone can help me out. Let me start by describing >>>> what has >>>> lead me to this: >>>> I receive a Bally MPU board P# r2518-35 (Star Trek) that needs >>>> repairing. >>>> I hook up the fluke and boot it up and get a bad clock error. >>>> I notice someone has replaced the 74s37 with a 74LS00, so replcing it >>>> restores the clock. >>>> I "Run UUT" and the status LED stays on. >>>> I check the jumpers and find that 2 are wired incorrectly so I set >>>> them right and and I still get nothing. >>>> After much head scratching and checking various things with a scope I >>>> couldn't see a problem. >>>> I replace the cpu and its socket with a spare and it starts the self >>>> test process. >>>> I continue on and it gets snagged on each step so replacing the >>>> sockets on the RAM and PIA at U8 and U11 gets me to the second to last >>>> test which failed due to a broken lead on c16. Replacing restored it >>>> to fully working. >>>> >>>> So the MPU board is now completetly working on the bench but if I use >>>> my fluke it will not start the self test process. >>>> I have tried starting the "Run UUT" from address $1000 and $5000 as I >>>> believe this to be the address for each ROM but still nothing. >>>> >>>> Just to be sure it was not a pod failure I tried a NOS one from the >>>> shelf and got the same effect. (Both pods pass self test) >>>> >>>> Can someone point out something really obvious? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>> "Run UUT" requires you to either accept the default boot location >>> (recommended!) or enter it by hand. >>> >>> Your choices (1000h or 5000h) are not the boot location the CPU is >>> looking for in the ROM code, if I remember correctly the boot >>> location for a 6800 is something like FFFEh or FFFCh - its in the >>> manufacturers guide to the CPU in question. >>> >>> Best to simply power down the UUT, then power down the 9010, then >>> power the 9010 back up and then the UUT and then do the "Run UUT" >>> and press "Enter" twice without adding anything else. Should work if >>> it works for the original CPU. >>> >>> John :-#)# >>> >>> -- >>> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call >>> (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >>> www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just >>> flip out" >>> > From jrr at flippers.com Wed Oct 8 15:02:31 2008 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:02:31 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke scripts... In-Reply-To: <48EBDF3B.9050805@flippers.com> References: <7578.80.229.253.21.1223308551.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <48EA38CA.9070408@flippers.com> <52301304FF164BB19719CE920DAAAB94@poacher> <48EBDF3B.9050805@flippers.com> Message-ID: <48ED03C7.2030102@flippers.com> The hope is folks would like to talk about their scripts - post snippets of special interest - and revive some interest in this tool. With the current economic times I see that repairs will be a larger portion of peoples interest and that how quickly we can fix older 8 or 16 bit equipment (think industrial controls) can help all of us cruise through the next couple of years... I am thinking of snippets of scripts for testing PIAs and, being a bit on the lazy side, I'm hoping someone has made a script for a PIA that is irritating me right now: the 6532. This rascal has RAM/I-O/TIMER all in one. RAM is trivial as is the I/O (more or less), but the timer...grump...I just don't have enough time to make a test without too much scratching my head (lose too much hair this way). So the question is, are people interested in sharing on TTL? I will save the snippets to the FTP site. John :-#)# From matt at rossiters.com Thu Oct 9 14:18:28 2008 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:18:28 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke scripts... In-Reply-To: <48ED03C7.2030102@flippers.com> References: <7578.80.229.253.21.1223308551.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <48EA38CA.9070408@flippers.com> <52301304FF164BB19719CE920DAAAB94@poacher> <48EBDF3B.9050805@flippers.com> <48ED03C7.2030102@flippers.com> Message-ID: <094ab6aad2a5e5e88d3a26db86f5dac7@localhost> Well, I wrote some very small scripts that might be handy if you want to modify them. One is a script that allows you send data to the Atari POKEYs based on the CAT box procedures. It toggles the different channels on and off alot easier, but I just get white noise and not actual "tones" like I'd expect. I'm not much of a programmer but maybe it can be useful. http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/Pokey-Data-Blaster While we are on the subject of writing stuff, I haven't been able to find anywhere procedures for doing signature analysis on Star Wars, so I wired up a 6809E nop fixture and documented signatures myself. What I'd love to do is figure out a procedure for doing signature analysis on the Mathbox portion. I'm wondering if this can easily be done by grounding the diag test point and setting the dipswitches a certain way? Just wondering if someone has already done this? Anyway, I can do a separate thread about that some time. I too would be interested in some new fluke scripts. Matt On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:02:31 -0700, John Robertson wrote: > The hope is folks would like to talk about their scripts - post snippets > of special interest - and revive some interest in this tool. With the > current economic times I see that repairs will be a larger portion of > peoples interest and that how quickly we can fix older 8 or 16 bit > equipment (think industrial controls) can help all of us cruise through > the next couple of years... > > I am thinking of snippets of scripts for testing PIAs and, being a bit > on the lazy side, I'm hoping someone has made a script for a PIA that is > irritating me right now: the 6532. This rascal has RAM/I-O/TIMER all in > one. RAM is trivial as is the I/O (more or less), but the > timer...grump...I just don't have enough time to make a test without too > much scratching my head (lose too much hair this way). > > So the question is, are people interested in sharing on TTL? I will save > the snippets to the FTP site. > > John :-#)# > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > From jrr at flippers.com Thu Oct 9 14:52:06 2008 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:52:06 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Star Wars Signatures... Message-ID: <48EE52D6.7010009@flippers.com> Checking my files, I find that the "Supplement to STARWARS" #CO-225-02 (1st Printing) has the last two pages on Signature updates. The schematics do not exactly show how to get INTO the Signature state, but I suspect if one reviews Tempest and others that one can be successful. I have not had to service a SW in years and did not need signature analysis at the either, so that is the limit to my knowledge on the matter, but the schematics set and CO-225-02 should help! Atari was expecting you to use the CAT BOX to run these tests... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From martin at guddler.co.uk Fri Oct 10 11:38:15 2008 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:38:15 +0100 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Star Wars Signatures... In-Reply-To: <48EE52D6.7010009@flippers.com> References: <48EE52D6.7010009@flippers.com> Message-ID: <564AF76F-36DD-4245-96D2-7EE73E712D4F@guddler.co.uk> I've not actually done it, but doesn't page 18 of the troubleshooting guide give you the information on how to put the board in a state for signature analysis? On 9 Oct 2008, at 19:52, John Robertson wrote: > Checking my files, I find that the "Supplement to STARWARS" > #CO-225-02 (1st Printing) has the last two pages on Signature > updates. The schematics do not exactly show how to get INTO the > Signature state, but I suspect if one reviews Tempest and others > that one can be successful. I have not had to service a SW in years > and did not need signature analysis at the either, so that is the > limit to my knowledge on the matter, but the schematics set and > CO-225-02 should help! > > Atari was expecting you to use the CAT BOX to run these tests... > > John :-#)# From matt at rossiters.com Fri Oct 10 12:55:47 2008 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:55:47 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Star Wars Signatures... In-Reply-To: <564AF76F-36DD-4245-96D2-7EE73E712D4F@guddler.co.uk> References: <48EE52D6.7010009@flippers.com> <564AF76F-36DD-4245-96D2-7EE73E712D4F@guddler.co.uk> Message-ID: <453cd7bf65f27630670f2b08714ff57a@localhost> Page 18 would be for the AVG board, which should be helpful also. I wired up a 6809E chip like this http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/6809E-NOP.jpg and put it into a socket. Ground the WDDIS test point. If it's setup right, your +5 line should read 0003 and the address lines should look something like below. I've documented the address decoder stuff and the rom and data lines. I would like to figure out how to do the mathbox. 1C-7 +5V 0003 1C-3 AB0 UUUU 1C-14 AB1 FFFF 1C-16 A1B 8484 1C-18 AB3 P763 1C-12 AB4 1U5P 1C-5 AB5 0356 1C-7 AB6 U759 1C-9 AB7 6F9A 1B-3 AB8 7791 1B-5 AB9 6321 1B-7 AB10 37C5 1B-16 AB11 6U28 1B-18 AB12 4FCA 2C-21 A13 4868 2C-22 A14 9UP1 2C-23 A15 0001 On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:38:15 +0100, "martin at guddler.co.uk" wrote: > I've not actually done it, but doesn't page 18 of the troubleshooting > guide give you the information on how to put the board in a state for > signature analysis? > > On 9 Oct 2008, at 19:52, John Robertson wrote: > >> Checking my files, I find that the "Supplement to STARWARS" >> #CO-225-02 (1st Printing) has the last two pages on Signature >> updates. The schematics do not exactly show how to get INTO the >> Signature state, but I suspect if one reviews Tempest and others >> that one can be successful. I have not had to service a SW in years >> and did not need signature analysis at the either, so that is the >> limit to my knowledge on the matter, but the schematics set and >> CO-225-02 should help! >> >> Atari was expecting you to use the CAT BOX to run these tests... >> >> John :-#)# > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > From technobug at comcast.net Fri Oct 10 20:52:48 2008 From: technobug at comcast.net (CRC) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:52:48 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] HP 5420 In-Reply-To: <48ED03C7.2030102@flippers.com> References: <7578.80.229.253.21.1223308551.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <48EA38CA.9070408@flippers.com> <52301304FF164BB19719CE920DAAAB94@poacher> <48EBDF3B.9050805@flippers.com> <48ED03C7.2030102@flippers.com> Message-ID: On Oct 8, 2008, at 12:02 PM, John Robertson wrote in thread "Fluke scripts...": > With the current economic times I see that repairs will be a larger > portion of peoples interest and that how quickly we can fix older 8 > or 16 bit equipment (think industrial controls) can help all of us > cruise through the next couple of years... I'm in that mode - attempting to resurrect an old HP 5420 Digital Signal Analyzer (aka spectrum analyzer, albeit low frequency) to save a couple of thou on the purchase of a used equivalent. I'm trying to find Vol IV of the documentation set that has the schematics for the beast as well an image of the control tape - the unit boots from an internal tape. The cassette bands have gone south, the cassette capstans have turned to goo, and it looks like the tapes themselves are failing. Any help or referrals will be welcomed. CRC From jrr at flippers.com Fri Oct 10 12:35:29 2008 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:35:29 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] WTB/WTT: NAMCO Pole Position schematics SP-219 Message-ID: <48EF8451.9080504@flippers.com> I need a copy of these - does anyone have them in their files? Prefer 11 X 17 in. copies. I have the CTS-1 cable for the board and can power it up, but there is a weird RAM select issue that I can't resolve using the Atari SP-218 schematics as they do not document everything! They miss the connection between the Sound CPU and the Data Buss DB0 - DB15. It turns out that DB0 - DB7 is hardwired to SD0 - SD7, but how the Sound CPU access DB8 - DB15 is not shown and yet the ram associated with those data lines ARE available to the Sound CPU. Must be some sort of latch hiding there somewhere! Thanks! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From yeap.wuikean at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 03:21:38 2008 From: yeap.wuikean at gmail.com (yeap wui kean) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:21:38 +0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Huntron tacker HTR1005B-1S Message-ID: <2f70db500810130021i37fe964dicb1b3545cda19120@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Is anyone have the calibration manual for Huntron Tracker HTR1005B-1S.I need the manual to recalibrate the Trace line.Thanks in advance. Best regards Yeap W K From fraser.castle at virgin.net Mon Oct 13 11:48:32 2008 From: fraser.castle at virgin.net (Fraser Castle) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:48:32 +0100 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Huntron tacker HTR1005B-1S References: <2f70db500810130021i37fe964dicb1b3545cda19120@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01c92d4b$25d12370$0200a8c0@dell4550> Yeap Send me your email address and I'll email it to you. Fraser ----- Original Message ----- From: "yeap wui kean" To: Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:21 AM Subject: [Techtoolslist] Huntron tacker HTR1005B-1S > Hi, > Is anyone have the calibration manual for Huntron Tracker HTR1005B-1S.I > need > the manual to recalibrate the Trace line.Thanks in advance. > > Best regards > Yeap W K > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: 12/10/2008 12:00 From jrr at flippers.com Mon Oct 13 13:24:07 2008 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:24:07 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Huntron tacker HTR1005B-1S In-Reply-To: <003d01c92d4b$25d12370$0200a8c0@dell4550> References: <2f70db500810130021i37fe964dicb1b3545cda19120@mail.gmail.com> <003d01c92d4b$25d12370$0200a8c0@dell4550> Message-ID: <48F38437.30806@flippers.com> Fraser Castle wrote: > Yeap > > Send me your email address and I'll email it to you. > > Fraser Fraser, send it to the TTL inbox and I shall put it up for all to share... John :-#)# > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "yeap wui kean" > > To: > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:21 AM > Subject: [Techtoolslist] Huntron tacker HTR1005B-1S > > >> Hi, >> Is anyone have the calibration manual for Huntron Tracker >> HTR1005B-1S.I need >> the manual to recalibrate the Trace line.Thanks in advance. >> >> Best regards >> Yeap W K >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > From fraser.castle at virgin.net Mon Oct 13 15:15:12 2008 From: fraser.castle at virgin.net (Fraser Castle) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:15:12 +0100 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Huntron tacker HTR1005B-1S References: <2f70db500810130021i37fe964dicb1b3545cda19120@mail.gmail.com><003d01c92d4b$25d12370$0200a8c0@dell4550> <48F38437.30806@flippers.com> Message-ID: <001f01c92d68$04b0bcb0$0200a8c0@dell4550> I have just checked the FTP site and see that both the Operators and Maintenace manuals are already there. I emailed a copy of mine to Yeap and also commented on the common fault caused by conning a Huntron 1005B-1S to a powered circuit.... Symptom:- angled trace that cannot be levelled when on LOW range. R6 (10 Ohms 0.5W) gets fried. replacement usually fixes the problem. Best Wishes Fraser ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: "Technical Tools Mail List" Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Huntron tacker HTR1005B-1S > Fraser Castle wrote: >> Yeap >> >> Send me your email address and I'll email it to you. >> >> Fraser > Fraser, send it to the TTL inbox and I shall put it up for all to share... > > John :-#)# > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "yeap wui kean" >> >> To: >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:21 AM >> Subject: [Techtoolslist] Huntron tacker HTR1005B-1S >> >> >>> Hi, >>> Is anyone have the calibration manual for Huntron Tracker >>> HTR1005B-1S.I need >>> the manual to recalibrate the Trace line.Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Best regards >>> Yeap W K >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1722 - Release Date: 13/10/2008 07:50 From yeap.wuikean at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 19:33:30 2008 From: yeap.wuikean at gmail.com (yeap wui kean) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:33:30 +0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Huntron tacker HTR1005B-1S In-Reply-To: <48F38437.30806@flippers.com> References: <2f70db500810130021i37fe964dicb1b3545cda19120@mail.gmail.com> <003d01c92d4b$25d12370$0200a8c0@dell4550> <48F38437.30806@flippers.com> Message-ID: <2f70db500810131633y7838f8b4o84aa9eae322f5afc@mail.gmail.com> Dear john Robertson' yeap.wuikean at gmail.com Best regards Yeap On 10/14/08, John Robertson wrote: > > Fraser Castle wrote: > >> Yeap >> >> Send me your email address and I'll email it to you. >> >> Fraser >> > Fraser, send it to the TTL inbox and I shall put it up for all to share... > > John :-#)# > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "yeap wui kean" < >> yeap.wuikean at gmail.com> >> To: >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:21 AM >> Subject: [Techtoolslist] Huntron tacker HTR1005B-1S >> >> >> Hi, >>> Is anyone have the calibration manual for Huntron Tracker HTR1005B-1S.I >>> need >>> the manual to recalibrate the Trace line.Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Best regards >>> Yeap W K >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > From yeap.wuikean at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 10:07:32 2008 From: yeap.wuikean at gmail.com (yeap wui kean) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:07:32 +0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] huntron 2000 and Huntron DSI700 Message-ID: <2f70db500810150707g69d0461er61b7e85e8c691dc3@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have a unit of Huntron 2000 and I used it for my trouble shooting.I did came across this Huntron DSI700,but I don't have any info nor knowledge on this unit.I wish to upgrade my Huntron 2000 with this unit, as I know it can link to my computer and make my trouble shooting job easier.Do anyone have This huntron 2000 and DSI700 operating and maintanence manual for me to refer.Thanks in advance..... Best regards Yeap yeap.wuikean at gmail.com From joemagiera at ameritech.net Wed Oct 15 13:08:39 2008 From: joemagiera at ameritech.net (Joe Magiera) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:08:39 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Electrohome G08 pattern generator Message-ID: <1BF67411A291448BA57D2FD104547940@joehomepc> In the back of the Electrohome monitor manuals (both raster and vector) the manual mentions and shows a picture of an Electrohome monitor pattern generator. I have the Wico raster version, and a buddy of mine has the Wico vector version, but does anyone have (or ever seen or know of) the Electrohome version? If so, I'd be interested to hear how useful you find it, and how easy it works. Does it supply it's own power to the monitor, or do you need to supply external power? Joe (joemagiera at ameritech dot net) joemagiera at ameritech.net From joemagiera at ameritech.net Wed Oct 15 16:28:35 2008 From: joemagiera at ameritech.net (Joe Magiera) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:28:35 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] VECTOR: Re: Electrohome G08 pattern generator In-Reply-To: <48F626D8.8060400@flippers.com> References: <1BF67411A291448BA57D2FD104547940@joehomepc> <48F626D8.8060400@flippers.com> Message-ID: <51398D321D884DC6889F99729867879B@joehomepc> >>Joe Magiera wrote: >> In the back of the Electrohome monitor manuals (both raster and vector) >the >> manual mentions and shows a picture of an Electrohome monitor pattern >> generator. I have the Wico raster version, and a buddy of mine has the >Wico >> vector version, but does anyone have (or ever seen or know of) the >> Electrohome version? If so, I'd be interested to hear how useful you >find >> it, and how easy it works. Does it supply it's own power to the monitor, >or >> do you need to supply external power? >> >> Joe (joemagiera at ameritech dot net) >> >> joemagiera at ameritech.net >> >The WICO XY pattern generator works for the Electrohome. I believe the >plug for the correct monitor sets up the generator correctly. I have the >XY gen, and a PDF manual that you are welcome to. This is also on the >TTL ftp site... > >You do need a transformer for both monitors as the pattern generator >does not provide monitor power. > >John :-#)# Yes, I knew that the Wico unit will work on Electrohome monitors with the right plug, was interested/wondering more about the Electrohome pattern generator unit itself. Anyone have or seen one of those units? Joe From jrr at flippers.com Wed Oct 15 13:22:32 2008 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:22:32 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Electrohome G08 pattern generator In-Reply-To: <1BF67411A291448BA57D2FD104547940@joehomepc> References: <1BF67411A291448BA57D2FD104547940@joehomepc> Message-ID: <48F626D8.8060400@flippers.com> Joe Magiera wrote: > In the back of the Electrohome monitor manuals (both raster and vector) the > manual mentions and shows a picture of an Electrohome monitor pattern > generator. I have the Wico raster version, and a buddy of mine has the Wico > vector version, but does anyone have (or ever seen or know of) the > Electrohome version? If so, I'd be interested to hear how useful you find > it, and how easy it works. Does it supply it's own power to the monitor, or > do you need to supply external power? > > > > Joe (joemagiera at ameritech dot net) > > joemagiera at ameritech.net > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > > The WICO XY pattern generator works for the Electrohome. I believe the plug for the correct monitor sets up the generator correctly. I have the XY gen, and a PDF manual that you are welcome to. This is also on the TTL ftp site... You do need a transformer for both monitors as the pattern generator does not provide monitor power. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From micrologix1500 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 23:30:51 2008 From: micrologix1500 at yahoo.com (kevin spears) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Techtoolslist] Looking for info on OLD HP 1600A Logic State Analyzer Message-ID: <602296.74080.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I know this is an ancient boat anchor and probably not worth fooling with, but I couldn't pass it up for $15.? It came with (only) one 6-bit input module, but thankfully it appears that the pods are cheap and plentiful for these.? (The lack of which was the main reason I gave up on the Tek DAS9100 I've had for many years!) I'm not having much luck finding any documentation for it, however.? I've found a few application notes on the agilent site and an advertising announcement on an HP user's site, but that's about it.? I know this is a longshot, but would anyone happen to know of a scanned manual for this beast? From Markhooks at embarqmail.com Sat Nov 1 16:26:09 2008 From: Markhooks at embarqmail.com (Mark Hooks) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:26:09 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke Z80AA won't run Midway Boards Message-ID: <004c01c93c60$14211850$3c6348f0$@com> My Pod Passes self test, yet it won't run a fully working Pac man board. I've tried it using the run UUT defaults. Am I missing something on the setup, or do I have a pod error? I notice it doesn't pass the buss test either. I get numerous data bit tied low errors. When I loop them, it flips back and forth between Tied Low and OK. Mark Hooks From jrr at flippers.com Sat Nov 1 17:18:52 2008 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:18:52 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke Z80AA won't run Midway Boards In-Reply-To: <004c01c93c60$14211850$3c6348f0$@com> References: <004c01c93c60$14211850$3c6348f0$@com> Message-ID: <490CC7BC.3060909@flippers.com> Mark Hooks wrote: > My Pod Passes self test, yet it won't run a fully working Pac man board. > I've tried it using the run UUT defaults. Am I missing something on the > setup, or do I have a pod error? > > > > I notice it doesn't pass the buss test either. I get numerous data bit tied > low errors. When I loop them, it flips back and forth between Tied Low and > OK. > > > > Mark Hooks > > I have no trouble running Pacman/Ms with a regular Z80pod, yours must be ill...I have a test jig (I think) for servicing the Z80 pod, somewhere... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From mail at nessandsteve.plus.com Thu Nov 27 15:25:25 2008 From: mail at nessandsteve.plus.com (Backflipper) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:25:25 -0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Dataman omnipro II eprom programmer Message-ID: Any of you good folk out there got a bipolar prom module for this? Thanks in advance. Cheers Steve From mail at nessandsteve.plus.com Thu Nov 27 15:33:18 2008 From: mail at nessandsteve.plus.com (Backflipper) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:33:18 -0000 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 900 dynamic trouble shooter Message-ID: Not to be confused with the dedicated CPU testers similar to the 9010a. I have one and it is displaying failures on boot up, so I have been putting together my notes on what I have found as there is no service manual available. Is anybody else interested in this information, does anybody else have one that can send me details on the fault report they have? I know a few people out there have had one infact someone posted on here a few months back with one but I couldn't get in touch, Bill if you are still out there can you get in touch. Cheers Steve From Corey at Stup.net Thu Nov 27 18:25:02 2008 From: Corey at Stup.net (Corey Stup) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:25:02 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 900 dynamic trouble shooter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <492F2C4E.7020803@Stup.net> Backflipper wrote: > Not to be confused with the dedicated CPU testers similar to the 9010a. > > I have one and it is displaying failures on boot up, so I have been putting together my notes on what I have found as there is no service manual available. Is anybody else interested in this information, does anybody else have one that can send me details on the fault report they have? > > I know a few people out there have had one infact someone posted on here a few months back with one but I couldn't get in touch, Bill if you are still out there can you get in touch. > Which 900 version do you have? I think I have a 6809 and Z80 version around here somewhere. From jrr at flippers.com Sat Nov 29 16:40:56 2008 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:40:56 -0800 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 900 dynamic trouble shooter In-Reply-To: <492F2C4E.7020803@Stup.net> References: <492F2C4E.7020803@Stup.net> Message-ID: <4931B6E8.7020505@flippers.com> Corey Stup wrote: > Backflipper wrote: >> Not to be confused with the dedicated CPU testers similar to the 9010a. >> >> I have one and it is displaying failures on boot up, so I have been >> putting together my notes on what I have found as there is no service >> manual available. Is anybody else interested in this information, >> does anybody else have one that can send me details on the fault >> report they have? >> >> I know a few people out there have had one infact someone posted on >> here a few months back with one but I couldn't get in touch, Bill if >> you are still out there can you get in touch. >> > Which 900 version do you have? I think I have a 6809 and Z80 version > around here somewhere. > > _ This is the 900 series, not the 90 series of Microprocessor tester. A stand alone device that checks memory ICs etc... Documentation on this series would be nice to add to the TTL archive. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"