From james at quarterarcade.com  Thu Jan  1 08:41:32 2009
From: james at quarterarcade.com (James Bright)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 06:41:32 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Interest in Fluke 9100A?
Message-ID: <b183cc28b98a4d81bf68a265c68f29a1@maila1.webcontrolcenter.com>


I've got too many spare units here (4 x Fluke 9100A) so I thought I'd see if anyone wants one. One has a video card, the others don't. I haven't booted them up in a while, but I've just kept them around in case I needed spare parts. 

Let me know if you're interested... reasonable offers considered. A couple will probably end up on ebay. Just looking to break even on them. 

Thanks.

JB 


From trmatthe at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 08:49:30 2009
From: trmatthe at gmail.com (Tim Matthews)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:49:30 +0000
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Interest in Fluke 9100A?
In-Reply-To: <b183cc28b98a4d81bf68a265c68f29a1@maila1.webcontrolcenter.com>
References: <b183cc28b98a4d81bf68a265c68f29a1@maila1.webcontrolcenter.com>
Message-ID: <5F43DCF7-0405-4863-9676-487C5E403AE9@gmail.com>

Hi James. Happy new year!

I'm very interested in the 9100 with video. How much are you looking  
for?

Thanks
Tim

Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Jan 2009, at 13:41, "James Bright" <james at quarterarcade.com> wrote:

>
> I've got too many spare units here (4 x Fluke 9100A) so I thought  
> I'd see if anyone wants one. One has a video card, the others don't.  
> I haven't booted them up in a while, but I've just kept them around  
> in case I needed spare parts.
>
> Let me know if you're interested... reasonable offers considered. A  
> couple will probably end up on ebay. Just looking to break even on  
> them.
>
> Thanks.
>
> JB
>
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From trmatthe at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 16:57:53 2009
From: trmatthe at gmail.com (Tim Matthews)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:57:53 +0000
Subject: [Techtoolslist] WTB: Fluke 6809 pod
Message-ID: <1878be400901061357s2c6d4c1pe490e42d83a43517@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all. I'm looking for a working Fluke 6809 pod. Have cash waiting!

I'd also consider a reasonably intact but unworking pod if the price is
right and nothing else is available.

thanks,
Tim

ps I'm in the UK but willing to pay international shipping.

From thomas43 at aol.com  Wed Jan  7 00:37:09 2009
From: thomas43 at aol.com (thomas43)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:37:09 -0800
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010 Tapes
Message-ID: <CF889200.DDCC.438B.AE90.AE1ADB892DD3@aol.com>

I have a bunch of tapes here that I received with a unit I bought from an operator. ?There are a bunch of test routines for games like Galaga, Tempest, Battlezone and others (about 20 tapes). ?Does anyone here want to play with them, and post up the info for others to share? ?I don't have the time to mess with these.

Scott

From martin at guddler.co.uk  Sat Jan 24 13:57:15 2009
From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:57:15 +0000
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
Message-ID: <5E20CA80-CC73-471E-BA34-91FE43D65E45@guddler.co.uk>

Hi all,

Just been trying to find information on what is different about the KK  
6502 (Atari) NOP adapter that makes it produce 8080 signatures as  
opposed to the normal 6502 ones and I discovered that the question has  
been posed before - not surprising I guess.

Just wandering if this mystery was ever solved and perhaps I'm not  
looking in the right places?

I'm sure I once took down signatures from a working board using my  
standard 6502 adapter but as always, when I want them, I'm damned if I  
can find them so maybe I imagined it.

In case anyone hasn't a clue what I'm talking about, see the footnote  
on page 14 of the PDF document "SigAnalNotes.pdf" that ought to be all  
over the net but I can't find a link to it just yet!

The original TechTools list message where this was asked before is  
here (with no answer):
http://www.vectorlist.org/TechTools/2002/10/0035.html

Thanks,
Martin.

From voyager at galaxian.com  Sat Jan 24 17:26:33 2009
From: voyager at galaxian.com (Greg Baumgratz)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:26:33 -0500
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
In-Reply-To: <5E20CA80-CC73-471E-BA34-91FE43D65E45@guddler.co.uk>
References: <5E20CA80-CC73-471E-BA34-91FE43D65E45@guddler.co.uk>
Message-ID: <497B9599.6020009@galaxian.com>

That's kinda funny - that was my post.  Brings back memories...

I'll need to knock a few brain cells to remember that one.  Since it was 
my post referencing that doc I'm assuming that it is still on my drive 
somewhere, although I think there are mirrors all over the net of Al's 
archives.  I'll take a look and email you if I find it.  I eventually 
sold off my 5004, but I think I still have the NOP adapter.

Greg



martin at guddler.co.uk wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just been trying to find information on what is different about the KK 
> 6502 (Atari) NOP adapter that makes it produce 8080 signatures as 
> opposed to the normal 6502 ones and I discovered that the question has 
> been posed before - not surprising I guess.
>
> Just wandering if this mystery was ever solved and perhaps I'm not 
> looking in the right places?
>
> I'm sure I once took down signatures from a working board using my 
> standard 6502 adapter but as always, when I want them, I'm damned if I 
> can find them so maybe I imagined it.
>
> In case anyone hasn't a clue what I'm talking about, see the footnote 
> on page 14 of the PDF document "SigAnalNotes.pdf" that ought to be all 
> over the net but I can't find a link to it just yet!
>
> The original TechTools list message where this was asked before is 
> here (with no answer):
> http://www.vectorlist.org/TechTools/2002/10/0035.html
>
> Thanks,
> Martin.
> _______________________________________________
> Techtoolslist mailing list
> Techtoolslist at flippers.com
> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
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>
>


From voyager at galaxian.com  Sat Jan 24 17:32:27 2009
From: voyager at galaxian.com (Greg Baumgratz)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:32:27 -0500
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
In-Reply-To: <497B9599.6020009@galaxian.com>
References: <5E20CA80-CC73-471E-BA34-91FE43D65E45@guddler.co.uk>
	<497B9599.6020009@galaxian.com>
Message-ID: <497B96FB.6040805@galaxian.com>

Found it... not sure if attachments are along on here, so I'm not going 
to try.  I'll email it direct to Martin.  If it should be uploaded 
somewhere please let me know...  I did see a reference to it at 
http://www.coinop.org/kb_dl.aspx/KB/Test_Equipment/ as well.

Greg



Greg Baumgratz wrote:
> That's kinda funny - that was my post.  Brings back memories...
>
> I'll need to knock a few brain cells to remember that one.  Since it 
> was my post referencing that doc I'm assuming that it is still on my 
> drive somewhere, although I think there are mirrors all over the net 
> of Al's archives.  I'll take a look and email you if I find it.  I 
> eventually sold off my 5004, but I think I still have the NOP adapter.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> martin at guddler.co.uk wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just been trying to find information on what is different about the 
>> KK 6502 (Atari) NOP adapter that makes it produce 8080 signatures as 
>> opposed to the normal 6502 ones and I discovered that the question 
>> has been posed before - not surprising I guess.
>>
>> Just wandering if this mystery was ever solved and perhaps I'm not 
>> looking in the right places?
>>
>> I'm sure I once took down signatures from a working board using my 
>> standard 6502 adapter but as always, when I want them, I'm damned if 
>> I can find them so maybe I imagined it.
>>
>> In case anyone hasn't a clue what I'm talking about, see the footnote 
>> on page 14 of the PDF document "SigAnalNotes.pdf" that ought to be 
>> all over the net but I can't find a link to it just yet!
>>
>> The original TechTools list message where this was asked before is 
>> here (with no answer):
>> http://www.vectorlist.org/TechTools/2002/10/0035.html
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Martin.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Techtoolslist mailing list
>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com
>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
>> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment
>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Techtoolslist mailing list
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>
>

From jrr at flippers.com  Sat Jan 24 15:39:31 2009
From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:39:31 -0800
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
In-Reply-To: <5E20CA80-CC73-471E-BA34-91FE43D65E45@guddler.co.uk>
References: <5E20CA80-CC73-471E-BA34-91FE43D65E45@guddler.co.uk>
Message-ID: <497B7C83.4020409@flippers.com>

martin at guddler.co.uk wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just been trying to find information on what is different about the KK 
> 6502 (Atari) NOP adapter that makes it produce 8080 signatures as 
> opposed to the normal 6502 ones and I discovered that the question has 
> been posed before - not surprising I guess.
>
> Just wandering if this mystery was ever solved and perhaps I'm not 
> looking in the right places?
>
> I'm sure I once took down signatures from a working board using my 
> standard 6502 adapter but as always, when I want them, I'm damned if I 
> can find them so maybe I imagined it.
>
> In case anyone hasn't a clue what I'm talking about, see the footnote 
> on page 14 of the PDF document "SigAnalNotes.pdf" that ought to be all 
> over the net but I can't find a link to it just yet!
>
> The original TechTools list message where this was asked before is 
> here (with no answer):
> http://www.vectorlist.org/TechTools/2002/10/0035.html
>
> Thanks,
> Martin.
>
Check the FTP archive on TTL (link below) for "Sig-Analy-HPJMay77.pdf" 
this covers some Sig Analysis questions. I only have info on the 6502, 
6800 and Z80 NOP fixtures, which is at the rear of "KK-Signature2.pdf" 
in the KurzKasch section of TTL.

For your question I would print off the last two pages of the 
KK_Signature2.pdf, then pull up info on the 8080, find out what 
instruction gives NOP, and then compare the pinout with the 6502.

John :-#)#

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From martin at guddler.co.uk  Sat Jan 24 19:38:00 2009
From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:38:00 +0000
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
In-Reply-To: <497B7C83.4020409@flippers.com>
References: <5E20CA80-CC73-471E-BA34-91FE43D65E45@guddler.co.uk>
	<497B7C83.4020409@flippers.com>
Message-ID: <84A4AD83-36D7-436E-9A6F-77ED134FF8A0@guddler.co.uk>

Sorry guys, I should have said, I've got the doc. I've probably got  
the one you're pointing too as well John. But I'll pick it up from TT  
tomorrow if not, thank you.

Nice to see the same people still reading as were here in 2002 as  
well :)

OK. Tomorrow ill put more thought into comparing the two CPUs. The  
only thing that really springs to mind at the moment is maybe they've  
messed with the order of the address lines or something?

The really odd thing is I know for a fact I've fixed centipede boards  
in the past with my 5006.

Incidentally, I'm now using the 9100 for the sigs. I keep meaning to  
post the programs up on my website but they need some refining. Error  
trapping and the like. I've had it producing HP signatures for some  
time now.

I'll post back if I work anything out. Thanks for the pointers though.

Martin.


On Jan 24, 2009, at 20:39, John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com> wrote:

> martin at guddler.co.uk wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just been trying to find information on what is different about the  
>> KK 6502 (Atari) NOP adapter that makes it produce 8080 signatures  
>> as opposed to the normal 6502 ones and I discovered that the  
>> question has been posed before - not surprising I guess.
>>
>> Just wandering if this mystery was ever solved and perhaps I'm not  
>> looking in the right places?
>>
>> I'm sure I once took down signatures from a working board using my  
>> standard 6502 adapter but as always, when I want them, I'm damned  
>> if I can find them so maybe I imagined it.
>>
>> In case anyone hasn't a clue what I'm talking about, see the  
>> footnote on page 14 of the PDF document "SigAnalNotes.pdf" that  
>> ought to be all over the net but I can't find a link to it just yet!
>>
>> The original TechTools list message where this was asked before is  
>> here (with no answer):
>> http://www.vectorlist.org/TechTools/2002/10/0035.html
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Martin.
>>
> Check the FTP archive on TTL (link below) for "Sig-Analy- 
> HPJMay77.pdf" this covers some Sig Analysis questions. I only have  
> info on the 6502, 6800 and Z80 NOP fixtures, which is at the rear of  
> "KK-Signature2.pdf" in the KurzKasch section of TTL.
>
> For your question I would print off the last two pages of the  
> KK_Signature2.pdf, then pull up info on the 8080, find out what  
> instruction gives NOP, and then compare the pinout with the 6502.
>
> John :-#)#
>
> -- 
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From teeray at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 24 21:22:23 2009
From: teeray at earthlink.net (teeray)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:22:23 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
Message-ID: <10489101.1232850143859.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

OK Guys,

A 6502 NOP will not produce sig's that match Atari doc's.
Reason is the 6502 takes two clock cycles to do a NOP instruction.
The Cat Box takes one clock cycle.
So you get double readings of each address. All you need to do is make
an NOP using a couple of counter IC's to cycle through the address range
on each clock cycle. Or divide the clock by 2 and use this as your clock
connection for the Analyzer.  You can do this with one D type flip flop IC.

Tim


-----Original Message-----
>From: "martin at guddler.co.uk" <martin at guddler.co.uk>
>Sent: Jan 24, 2009 7:38 PM
>To: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist at flippers.com>
>Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
>
>Sorry guys, I should have said, I've got the doc. I've probably got  
>the one you're pointing too as well John. But I'll pick it up from TT  
>tomorrow if not, thank you.
>
>Nice to see the same people still reading as were here in 2002 as  
>well :)
>
>OK. Tomorrow ill put more thought into comparing the two CPUs. The  
>only thing that really springs to mind at the moment is maybe they've  
>messed with the order of the address lines or something?
>
>The really odd thing is I know for a fact I've fixed centipede boards  
>in the past with my 5006.
>
>Incidentally, I'm now using the 9100 for the sigs. I keep meaning to  
>post the programs up on my website but they need some refining. Error  
>trapping and the like. I've had it producing HP signatures for some  
>time now.
>
>I'll post back if I work anything out. Thanks for the pointers though.
>
>Martin.
>
>
>On Jan 24, 2009, at 20:39, John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com> wrote:
>
>> martin at guddler.co.uk wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just been trying to find information on what is different about the  
>>> KK 6502 (Atari) NOP adapter that makes it produce 8080 signatures  
>>> as opposed to the normal 6502 ones and I discovered that the  
>>> question has been posed before - not surprising I guess.
>>>
>>> Just wandering if this mystery was ever solved and perhaps I'm not  
>>> looking in the right places?
>>>
>>> I'm sure I once took down signatures from a working board using my  
>>> standard 6502 adapter but as always, when I want them, I'm damned  
>>> if I can find them so maybe I imagined it.
>>>
>>> In case anyone hasn't a clue what I'm talking about, see the  
>>> footnote on page 14 of the PDF document "SigAnalNotes.pdf" that  
>>> ought to be all over the net but I can't find a link to it just yet!
>>>
>>> The original TechTools list message where this was asked before is  
>>> here (with no answer):
>>> http://www.vectorlist.org/TechTools/2002/10/0035.html
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Martin.
>>>
>> Check the FTP archive on TTL (link below) for "Sig-Analy- 
>> HPJMay77.pdf" this covers some Sig Analysis questions. I only have  
>> info on the 6502, 6800 and Z80 NOP fixtures, which is at the rear of  
>> "KK-Signature2.pdf" in the KurzKasch section of TTL.
>>
>> For your question I would print off the last two pages of the  
>> KK_Signature2.pdf, then pull up info on the 8080, find out what  
>> instruction gives NOP, and then compare the pinout with the 6502.
>>
>> John :-#)#
>>
>> -- 
>> How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
>> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment
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From matt at rossiters.com  Sun Jan 25 10:53:30 2009
From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 07:53:30 -0800
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a Tape Drive
Message-ID: <220b5f234f13d8c57bdd155876ef2e46@localhost>



Hello Everyone, I'm trying to fix my Fluke 9010a tape drive which was
working at one point and now is having problems. I'm not having much luck
getting it going again and I'm starting to suspect that I might be having
an issue with the UPI-41A (Universal Periferal Interface) chip.
http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/fluke/Intel-8041A.pdf [1] I know where I
can get some of these chips, the problem is they are programmable so I
would need someone's help copying the data off a known working Fluke 9010a
Tape drive and then have them programmed for me. Does anyone have a
programmer that can read/program 8041a/8741a chips? I know the Xeltek
SuperPro 3000u can do them. My second option is to find someone who is
parting out a Fluke 9010a and get the tape drive from them. I have a bunch
of tapes with programs on them I'd like to archive. Is anyone parting out a
Fluke 9010a at this time? :) Matt PS - it would be nice to get the ROM off
the Fluke 9010a tape drive for preservation
purposes!

Links:
------
[1] http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/fluke/Intel-8041A.pdf

From martin at guddler.co.uk  Sun Jan 25 12:32:20 2009
From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:32:20 +0000
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
In-Reply-To: <10489101.1232850143859.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <10489101.1232850143859.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <01ED0BFF-590F-440F-A1B8-4E283CEDF301@guddler.co.uk>

Thanks for the info Tim.

I've made a new NOP adapter today that just uses a pair of LS393s as a  
16 bit counter as per the CAT box schematics and am now getting Atari  
signatures!

Martin.

On 25 Jan 2009, at 02:22, teeray wrote:

> OK Guys,
>
> A 6502 NOP will not produce sig's that match Atari doc's.
> Reason is the 6502 takes two clock cycles to do a NOP instruction.
> The Cat Box takes one clock cycle.
> So you get double readings of each address. All you need to do is make
> an NOP using a couple of counter IC's to cycle through the address  
> range
> on each clock cycle. Or divide the clock by 2 and use this as your  
> clock
> connection for the Analyzer.  You can do this with one D type flip  
> flop IC.
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "martin at guddler.co.uk" <martin at guddler.co.uk>
>> Sent: Jan 24, 2009 7:38 PM
>> To: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist at flippers.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
>>
>> Sorry guys, I should have said, I've got the doc. I've probably got
>> the one you're pointing too as well John. But I'll pick it up from TT
>> tomorrow if not, thank you.
>>
>> Nice to see the same people still reading as were here in 2002 as
>> well :)
>>
>> OK. Tomorrow ill put more thought into comparing the two CPUs. The
>> only thing that really springs to mind at the moment is maybe they've
>> messed with the order of the address lines or something?
>>
>> The really odd thing is I know for a fact I've fixed centipede boards
>> in the past with my 5006.
>>
>> Incidentally, I'm now using the 9100 for the sigs. I keep meaning to
>> post the programs up on my website but they need some refining. Error
>> trapping and the like. I've had it producing HP signatures for some
>> time now.
>>
>> I'll post back if I work anything out. Thanks for the pointers  
>> though.
>>
>> Martin.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2009, at 20:39, John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com> wrote:
>>
>>> martin at guddler.co.uk wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Just been trying to find information on what is different about the
>>>> KK 6502 (Atari) NOP adapter that makes it produce 8080 signatures
>>>> as opposed to the normal 6502 ones and I discovered that the
>>>> question has been posed before - not surprising I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Just wandering if this mystery was ever solved and perhaps I'm not
>>>> looking in the right places?
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure I once took down signatures from a working board using my
>>>> standard 6502 adapter but as always, when I want them, I'm damned
>>>> if I can find them so maybe I imagined it.
>>>>
>>>> In case anyone hasn't a clue what I'm talking about, see the
>>>> footnote on page 14 of the PDF document "SigAnalNotes.pdf" that
>>>> ought to be all over the net but I can't find a link to it just  
>>>> yet!
>>>>
>>>> The original TechTools list message where this was asked before is
>>>> here (with no answer):
>>>> http://www.vectorlist.org/TechTools/2002/10/0035.html
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Martin.
>>>>
>>> Check the FTP archive on TTL (link below) for "Sig-Analy-
>>> HPJMay77.pdf" this covers some Sig Analysis questions. I only have
>>> info on the 6502, 6800 and Z80 NOP fixtures, which is at the rear of
>>> "KK-Signature2.pdf" in the KurzKasch section of TTL.
>>>
>>> For your question I would print off the last two pages of the
>>> KK_Signature2.pdf, then pull up info on the 8080, find out what
>>> instruction gives NOP, and then compare the pinout with the 6502.
>>>
>>> John :-#)#
>>>

From electronicamuse at aol.com  Sun Jan 25 16:15:22 2009
From: electronicamuse at aol.com (electronicamuse at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:15:22 -0500
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
In-Reply-To: <01ED0BFF-590F-440F-A1B8-4E283CEDF301@guddler.co.uk>
References: <10489101.1232850143859.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<01ED0BFF-590F-440F-A1B8-4E283CEDF301@guddler.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8CB4D492AA0AC0E-25A8-5FC@webmail-stg-d09.sysops.aol.com>

Does anybody sell laid out PCBs for making NOPs?

I know that it's not tough to make them from scratch, but would nice to 
just have them already started.

thanks


Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: martin at guddler.co.uk <martin at guddler.co.uk>
To: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist at flippers.com>be
Sent: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter









Thanks for the info Tim.?
?

I've made a new NOP adapter today that just uses a pair of LS393s as a 
16 bit counter as per the CAT box schematics and am now getting Atari 
signatures!?
?

Martin.?
?

On 25 Jan 2009, at 02:22, teeray wrote:?
?

> OK Guys,?

>?

> A 6502 NOP will not produce sig's that match Atari doc's.?

> Reason is the 6502 takes two clock cycles to do a NOP instruction.?

> The Cat Box takes one clock cycle.?

> So you get double readings of each address. All you need to do is 
make?

> an NOP using a couple of counter IC's to cycle through the address > 
range?

> on each clock cycle. Or divide the clock by 2 and use this as your > 
clock?

> connection for the Analyzer.  You can do this with one D type flip > 
flop IC.?

>?

> Tim?

>?

>?

> -----Original Message-----?
=0
D
>> From: "martin at guddler.co.uk" <martin at guddler.co.uk>?

>> Sent: Jan 24, 2009 7:38 PM?

>> To: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist at flippers.com>?

>> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter?

>>?

>> Sorry guys, I should have said, I've got the doc. I've probably got?

>> the one you're pointing too as well John. But I'll pick it up from 
TT?

>> tomorrow if not, thank you.?

>>?

>> Nice to see the same people still reading as were here in 2002 as?

>> well :)?

>>?

>> OK. Tomorrow ill put more thought into comparing the two CPUs. The?

>> only thing that really springs to mind at the moment is maybe 
they've?

>> messed with the order of the address lines or something??

>>?

>> The really odd thing is I know for a fact I've fixed centipede 
boards?

>> in the past with my 5006.?

>>?

>> Incidentally, I'm now using the 9100 for the sigs. I keep meaning to?

>> post the programs up on my website but they need some refining. 
Error?

>> trapping and the like. I've had it producing HP signatures for some?

>> time now.?

>>?

>> I'll post back if I work anything out. Thanks for the pointers >> 
though.?

>>?

>> Martin.?

>>?

>>?

>> On Jan 24, 2009, at 20:39, John 
Robertson <jrr at flippers.com> wrote:?

>>?

>>> martin at guddler.co.uk wrote:?

>>>> Hi all,?

>>>>?

>>>> Just been trying to find information on what is different about 
the?

>>>> KK 6502 (Atari) NOP adapter that makes it produce 8080 signatures?

>>>> as opposed to the normal 6502 ones and I discovered that the?

>>>> question has been posed before - not surprising I guess.?

>>>>?

>>>> Just wandering if this mystery was ever solved and perhaps I'm not?

>>>> looking in the right places??

>>>>?

>>>> I'm sure I once took down signatures from a working board using my?

>>>> standard 6502 adapter but as always, when I want them, I'm damned?

>>>> if I can find them so maybe I imagined it.?

>>>>?

>>>> In case anyone hasn't a clue what I'm talking about, see the?

>>>> footnote on page 14 of the PDF document "SigAnalNotes.pdf" that?

>>>> ought to be all over the net but I can't find a link to it just 
>>>> yet!?

>>>>?

>>>> The original TechTools list message where this was asked before is?

>>>> here (with no answer):?

>>>> http://www.vectorlist.org/TechTools/2002/10/0035.html?

>>>>?

>>>> Thanks,?

>>>> Martin.?

>>>>?

>>> Check the FTP archive on TTL (link below) for "Sig-Analy-?

>>> HPJMay77.pdf" this covers some Sig 
Analysis questions. I only have?

>>> info on the 6502, 6800 and Z80 NOP fixtures, which is at the rear 
of?

>>> "KK-Signature2.pdf" in the KurzKasch section of TTL.?

>>>?

>>> For your question I would print off the last two pages of the?

>>> KK_Signature2.pdf, then pull up info on the 8080, find out what?

>>> instruction gives NOP, and then compare the pinout with the 6502.?

>>>?

>>> John :-#)#?

>>>?

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From jrr at flippers.com  Sun Jan 25 12:11:29 2009
From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:11:29 -0800
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a Tape Drive
In-Reply-To: <220b5f234f13d8c57bdd155876ef2e46@localhost>
References: <220b5f234f13d8c57bdd155876ef2e46@localhost>
Message-ID: <497C9D41.6030409@flippers.com>

Matt Rossiter wrote:
> Hello Everyone, I'm trying to fix my Fluke 9010a tape drive which was
> working at one point and now is having problems. I'm not having much luck
> getting it going again and I'm starting to suspect that I might be having
> an issue with the UPI-41A (Universal Periferal Interface) chip.
> http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/fluke/Intel-8041A.pdf [1] I know where I
> can get some of these chips, the problem is they are programmable so I
> would need someone's help copying the data off a known working Fluke 9010a
> Tape drive and then have them programmed for me. Does anyone have a
> programmer that can read/program 8041a/8741a chips? I know the Xeltek
> SuperPro 3000u can do them. My second option is to find someone who is
> parting out a Fluke 9010a and get the tape drive from them. I have a bunch
> of tapes with programs on them I'd like to archive. Is anyone parting out a
> Fluke 9010a at this time? :) Matt PS - it would be nice to get the ROM off
> the Fluke 9010a tape drive for preservation
> purposes!
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/fluke/Intel-8041A.pdf
> _______________________________________________
>   
Hi Matt,

I have a Xeltek SuperPro that can read the 8041 - I also have a few 
9010s with good tape drives so I can do this for you next week - 
assuming I remember (nags are fine).

John :-#)#

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From jrr at flippers.com  Sun Jan 25 17:47:33 2009
From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:47:33 -0800
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
In-Reply-To: <8CB4D492AA0AC0E-25A8-5FC@webmail-stg-d09.sysops.aol.com>
References: <10489101.1232850143859.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>	<01ED0BFF-590F-440F-A1B8-4E283CEDF301@guddler.co.uk>
	<8CB4D492AA0AC0E-25A8-5FC@webmail-stg-d09.sysops.aol.com>
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electronicamuse at aol.com wrote:
> Does anybody sell laid out PCBs for making NOPs?
>
> I know that it's not tough to make them from scratch, but would nice 
> to just have them already started.
>
> thanks
>
>
> Dave
>
I simply used good CPUs (6800, Z80, etc.) and bent the Data and Reset 
pins up over the top of the IC. Then I hooked the Data lines to 
correspond to the NOP instruction grounding or Vccing for '0' or '1'. 
Z80 you have to lift the Halt pin as well. Tie any essential pins ( for 
the CPU to run) to Vcc via 3K6 resistors. Reset can often be faked with 
a 10ufd and 10K resistor for the Reset pin.

I was not aware of the 6502 NOP bit but using a 6502 with the Data lines 
tied in NOP worked for me!

John :-#)#
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: martin at guddler.co.uk <martin at guddler.co.uk>
> To: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist at flippers.com>be
> Sent: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:32 pm
> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the info Tim. 
>  
>
> I've made a new NOP adapter today that just uses a pair of LS393s as a 
> 16 bit counter as per the CAT box schematics and am now getting Atari 
> signatures! 
>  
>
> Martin. 
>  
>
> On 25 Jan 2009, at 02:22, teeray wrote: 
>  
...

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From electronicamuse at aol.com  Sun Jan 25 19:00:35 2009
From: electronicamuse at aol.com (electronicamuse at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:00:35 -0500
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
In-Reply-To: <497CEC05.2030306@flippers.com>
References: <10489101.1232850143859.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>	<01ED0BFF-590F-440F-A1B8-4E283CEDF301@guddler.co.uk><8CB4D492AA0AC0E-25A8-5FC@webmail-stg-d09.sysops.aol.com>
	<497CEC05.2030306@flippers.com>
Message-ID: <8CB4D603FB81EAE-25A8-B8E@webmail-stg-d09.sysops.aol.com>

If you get bored and feel like taking a pic of the completed NOPs and 
u/l to your site, I am sure there are some more noobs than myself that 
would appreciate a pic for reference.


Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com>
To: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist at flippers.com>
Sent: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 5:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter









electronicamuse at aol.com wrote:?

> Does anybody sell laid out PCBs for making NOPs??

>?

> I know that it's not tough to make them from scratch, but would nice
> to just have them already started.?

>?

> thanks?

>?

>?

> Dave?

>?

I simply used good CPUs (6800, Z80, etc.) and bent the Data and Reset
pins up over the top of the IC. Then I hooked the Data lines to
correspond to the NOP instruction grounding or Vccing for '0' or '1'.
Z80 you have to lift the Halt pin as well. Tie any essential pins ( for
the CPU to run) to Vcc via 3K6 resistors. Reset can often be faked with
a 10ufd and 10K resistor for the Reset pin.?
?

I was not aware of the 6502 NOP bit but using a 6502 with the Data 
lines
tied in NOP worked for me!?
?

John :-#)#?

>?

> -----Original Message-----?

> From: martin at guddler.co.uk <martin at guddler.co.uk>?

> To
: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist at flippers.com>be?

> Sent: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:32 pm?

> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter?

>?

>?

>?

>?

>?

>?

>?

>?

>?

> Thanks for the info Tim.
>
>?

> I've made a new NOP adapter today that just uses a pair of LS393s as 
a
> 16 bit counter as per the CAT box schematics and am now getting Atari
> signatures!
>
>?

> Martin.
>
>?

> On 25 Jan 2009, at 02:22, teeray wrote:
>
...?
?

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From patdanis at verizon.net  Sun Jan 25 22:15:08 2009
From: patdanis at verizon.net (Pat Danis)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:15:08 -0600
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
In-Reply-To: <8CB4D603FB81EAE-25A8-B8E@webmail-stg-d09.sysops.aol.com>
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	<01ED0BFF-590F-440F-A1B8-4E283CEDF301@guddler.co.uk><8CB4D492AA0AC0E-25A8-5FC@webmail-stg-d09.sysops.aol.com>
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<<<<"If you get bored and feel like taking a pic of the completed NOPs 
and u/l to your site, I am sure there are some more noobs than myself 
that would appreciate a pic for reference.

Yep, that would be me as well.

pat Danis
>   

From jrr at flippers.com  Mon Jan 26 16:01:44 2009
From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:01:44 -0800
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
In-Reply-To: <497D2ABC.7000606@verizon.net>
References: <10489101.1232850143859.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>	<01ED0BFF-590F-440F-A1B8-4E283CEDF301@guddler.co.uk><8CB4D492AA0AC0E-25A8-5FC@webmail-stg-d09.sysops.aol.com>	<497CEC05.2030306@flippers.com>	<8CB4D603FB81EAE-25A8-B8E@webmail-stg-d09.sysops.aol.com>
	<497D2ABC.7000606@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <497E24B8.6090503@flippers.com>

Pat Danis wrote:
>
>
>
> <<<<"If you get bored and feel like taking a pic of the completed NOPs 
> and u/l to your site, I am sure there are some more noobs than myself 
> that would appreciate a pic for reference.
>
> Yep, that would be me as well.
>
> pat Danis
I have added the image of my adapters to the root directory of my ftp 
site for TTL.
"NOP-CPU-6800_6802_6809_6502_8080_Z80.JPG"

Enjoy!

John :-#)#

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From matt at rossiters.com  Tue Jan 27 14:22:26 2009
From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:22:26 -0800
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
In-Reply-To: <497E24B8.6090503@flippers.com>
References: <10489101.1232850143859.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>	<01ED0BFF-590F-440F-A1B8-4E283CEDF301@guddler.co.uk><8CB4D492AA0AC0E-25A8-5FC@webmail-stg-d09.sysops.aol.com>	<497CEC05.2030306@flippers.com>	<8CB4D603FB81EAE-25A8-B8E@webmail-stg-d09.sysops.aol.com>
	<497D2ABC.7000606@verizon.net> <497E24B8.6090503@flippers.com>
Message-ID: <d726057da6ba6a14d4d4550f22845984@localhost>

Here's my 6809E NOP diagram. 
http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/6809E-NOP.jpg

I'm able to get signatures fine with it.  By the way, does anyone have
Signatures documented for Star Wars so that I can compare what I have? 

Matt

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:01:44 -0800, John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com>
wrote:
> Pat Danis wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> <<<<"If you get bored and feel like taking a pic of the completed NOPs 
>> and u/l to your site, I am sure there are some more noobs than myself 
>> that would appreciate a pic for reference.
>>
>> Yep, that would be me as well.
>>
>> pat Danis
> I have added the image of my adapters to the root directory of my ftp 
> site for TTL.
> "NOP-CPU-6800_6802_6809_6502_8080_Z80.JPG"
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> John :-#)#
> 
>>>   
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From jrr at flippers.com  Mon Feb  2 16:32:41 2009
From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:32:41 -0800
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Uploaded new files
Message-ID: <49876679.1090108@flippers.com>

Hi,

Have just uploaded a somewhat large (28mb) zipped file that is the 1986 
Data I/O wall chart of Eprom/PROM programming info.

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From jrr at flippers.com  Wed Feb  4 13:47:57 2009
From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:47:57 -0800
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Uploaded new files
In-Reply-To: <4989BD7A.6020809@verizon.net>
References: <49876679.1090108@flippers.com> <4989BD7A.6020809@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4989E2DD.7010905@flippers.com>

Pat Danis wrote:
> John:
>
> Getting an error message from 3 different versions of file extracting 
> programs. 7-zip, powerdesk and winrar are unable to extract the file 
> from the zip folder.  What did you use to zip it?
>
> Pat Danis
>

I used the 'archive' function used in Mac  OSX 10.5.  The archive 
appears valid - at least on my MacBook (reopened just fine), but perhaps 
the uploaded file is corrupt - I shall re-upload it now , so try again 
after about 11AM PCT.

John :-#)#
> John Robertson wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Have just uploaded a somewhat large (28mb) zipped file that is the 
>> 1986 Data I/O wall chart of Eprom/PROM programming info.
>>
>> John :-#)#
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.17/1931 - Release Date: 2/2/2009 7:21 PM
>>
>>   


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From martin at guddler.co.uk  Thu Feb  5 14:23:48 2009
From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:23:48 +0000
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Uploaded new files
In-Reply-To: <4989E2DD.7010905@flippers.com>
References: <49876679.1090108@flippers.com> <4989BD7A.6020809@verizon.net>
	<4989E2DD.7010905@flippers.com>
Message-ID: <AEE32889-201A-446A-8C46-03A6DF50EEE2@guddler.co.uk>

There's two versions of the file there. Ones very small and that's  
corrupt. The big one extracts fine. Make sure you're grabbing the big  
one. Of course, I'm also using OS X 10.5 as well though.

Martin.


On 4 Feb 2009, at 18:47, John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com> wrote:

> Pat Danis wrote:
>> John:
>>
>> Getting an error message from 3 different versions of file  
>> extracting programs. 7-zip, powerdesk and winrar are unable to  
>> extract the file from the zip folder.  What did you use to zip it?
>>
>> Pat Danis
>>
>
> I used the 'archive' function used in Mac  OSX 10.5.  The archive  
> appears valid - at least on my MacBook (reopened just fine), but  
> perhaps the uploaded file is corrupt - I shall re-upload it now , so  
> try again after about 11AM PCT.
>
> John :-#)#
>> John Robertson wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Have just uploaded a somewhat large (28mb) zipped file that is the  
>>> 1986 Data I/O wall chart of Eprom/PROM programming info.
>>>
>>> John :-#)#
>>> --- 
>>> --- 
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus  
>>> Database: 270.10.17/1931 - Release Date: 2/2/2009 7:21 PM
>>>
>>>
>
>
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From micrologix1500 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 15:16:10 2009
From: micrologix1500 at yahoo.com (kevin spears)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 12:16:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
In-Reply-To: <mailman.235.1233861642.92025.techtoolslist@flippers.com>
Message-ID: <318475.87317.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

This is surely a dumb question, but what is the purpose of the NOP adapter?




      

From colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com  Thu Feb  5 15:25:39 2009
From: colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com (Colin Davies)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 20:25:39 -0000
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
References: <318475.87317.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1B9327646B064AE7A41E6897B6B03105@CWDXP1600>

Its basicaly used to exercise the addresss bus on the board...(The cpu 
constantly runs the nop instruction which is hard wired - so it 'counts' 
through all memory locations).. By using a signature analyser on various 
lines on the board, is is possible to produce useful fault finding 
information....

For instance... if say A15 was faulty down stream from the cpu (maybe due to 
a driver IC or a short) - it would produce a differnt signature than a 
working board.... you could also test eproms and such to an extent...

Hope this helps.... I'm sure someone can provide a much better 
explanation.... Cheers, Colin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kevin spears" <micrologix1500 at yahoo.com>
To: <techtoolslist at flippers.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 8:16 PM
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter


> This is surely a dumb question, but what is the purpose of the NOP 
> adapter?
>
>
>
>
>
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From ajcrm125 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 15:31:53 2009
From: ajcrm125 at gmail.com (Adam Courchesne)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:31:53 -0500
Subject: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
In-Reply-To: <318475.87317.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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	<318475.87317.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Not a dumb question at all. A NOP adapter is simply an adapter that you slap
onto a microprocessor to force it to execute nothing but NOP (no-op)
instructions.  The reason you would want to do this is to force the entire
system into a known state, or steady predictable behavior.  Then, you can
use a signature analyzer to probe points on the PCB to debug and find the
source of a problem.
Typically what someone will do is use a NOP adapter in a know, correctly
working system, and probe a bunch of points on the PCB and record a set of
signatures.  Then, if the system ever fails, they can repeat the process and
look for any signatures that differ from the ones recorded.  If the
signature on the input to an IC matches but the signature on the output
didn't, chances are that IC is the problem.



On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 3:16 PM, kevin spears <micrologix1500 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> This is surely a dumb question, but what is the purpose of the NOP adapter?
>
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From james at quarterarcade.com  Sun Feb 15 13:43:03 2009
From: james at quarterarcade.com (James Bright)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:43:03 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] FS: Fluke 9100A video card
Message-ID: <2c71fb1a$197ce397$5d9287e4$@com>


Figured I'd list it here first before it goes to ebay. Finally getting 
around to taking pictures of stuff. 

http://www.quarterarcade.com/game.aspx/8751

$50 plus $8 shipping (US). As-is untested (but there is no reason to 
believe it doesn't work). Paypal.

Thanks!

JB

 

From james at quarterarcade.com  Sun Feb 15 21:13:21 2009
From: james at quarterarcade.com (James Bright)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:13:21 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] FS: Fluke 9100A -003 I/O module
Message-ID: <68156346$2a510887$5a712051$@com>

John, LMK if this is getting annoying! :-) Most of my excess stuff is going 
to ebay but there are a few specialty items that I figured people might 
want to contact me directly for. I have a spare 9100A -003 I/O module. $100 
paypal plus ... figure $8 shipping in the U.S. This would be just the I/O 
unit, not clips. Clean unit, sitting on my shelf for a few years. I have 
not used it recently.

Thanks!

JB

----------------------------------------
From: "James Bright" <james at quarterarcade.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:43 PM
To: techtoolslist at flippers.com
Subject: FS: Fluke 9100A video card 

Figured I'd list it here first before it goes to ebay. Finally getting 
around to taking pictures of stuff. 

http://www.quarterarcade.com/game.aspx/8751

$50 plus $8 shipping (US). As-is untested (but there is no reason to 
believe it doesn't work). Paypal.

Thanks!

JB

 

From patdanis at verizon.net  Mon Feb 16 19:01:00 2009
From: patdanis at verizon.net (Pat Danis)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:01:00 -0600
Subject: [Techtoolslist] FS: Fluke 9100A -003 I/O module
In-Reply-To: <68156346$2a510887$5a712051$@com>
References: <68156346$2a510887$5a712051$@com>
Message-ID: <4999FE3C.8040009@verizon.net>

I can't speak for John, but there are those of us that appreciate the 
chance to get this first.  I haven't even broken out my Fluke stuff so I 
can't say whether I need it or not.  Doesn't bug me.

Pat D.

James Bright wrote:
> John, LMK if this is getting annoying! :-) Most of my excess stuff is going 
> to ebay but there are a few specialty items that I figured people might 
> want to contact me directly for. I have a spare 9100A -003 I/O module. $100 
> paypal plus ... figure $8 shipping in the U.S. This would be just the I/O 
> unit, not clips. Clean unit, sitting on my shelf for a few years. I have 
> not used it recently.
>
> Thanks!
>
> JB
>
> ----------------------------------------
> From: "James Bright" <james at quarterarcade.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:43 PM
> To: techtoolslist at flippers.com
> Subject: FS: Fluke 9100A video card 
>
> Figured I'd list it here first before it goes to ebay. Finally getting 
> around to taking pictures of stuff. 
>
> http://www.quarterarcade.com/game.aspx/8751
>
> $50 plus $8 shipping (US). As-is untested (but there is no reason to 
> believe it doesn't work). Paypal.
>
> Thanks!
>
> JB
>
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From james at quarterarcade.com  Sun Feb 22 20:14:14 2009
From: james at quarterarcade.com (James Bright)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:14:14 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] FS: More 9100A items
Message-ID: <49ab7d44$51bebf76$1595bcf2$@com>


Going through items that I know I'm not going to get to for quite some 
time...

I have 3 9100As, all not working. Parts machine, although I am certain that 
you could get one working if you replaced the HDD. It had been working for 
me previously, although now it has self test issues. One of the 9100As is a 
dual disk version so it's really just good for spare memory and what not. 
Let's say $100 for the lot. Problem is shipping is going to be very, very 
expense as these suckers are heavy. But I'd rather offer them up to the 
community first. So if you want this for $100 + actual shipping, let me 
know. I'd rather not break it up.  

I also have a spare -003 module for the 9100A. See 
http://www.quarterarcade.com/game.aspx/8756 . I'll probably list it on my 
ebay store for $150, but if anyone here wants it, $125 + $10 shipping. I 
know that it says that it doesn't include any clips, but I am positive I 
can include some clips (if not a whole set, a partial set). 

Let me know if you are specifically looking for a 9100A part. I may have 
it. A few years ago I was buying this stuff in large lots. 

Thanks. (Someone should plot the correlation between 0 kids & # boards 
fixed to 3 kids & # boards fixed...)

JB

P.S. I am thinking of opening up FIDE as open source. Thoughts? Of course 
it's written in crappy VB6. 
 

From martin at guddler.co.uk  Sun Feb 22 21:21:15 2009
From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:21:15 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Techtoolslist] FS: More 9100A items
In-Reply-To: <49ab7d44$51bebf76$1595bcf2$@com>
References: <49ab7d44$51bebf76$1595bcf2$@com>
Message-ID: <56059.82.69.85.211.1235355675.squirrel@webmail.guddler.co.uk>

> P.S. I am thinking of opening up FIDE as open source. Thoughts? Of course
> it's written in crappy VB6.

I'd certainly be interested in taking a look!

A few years ago I'd have offered to take it on and bring it up to .NET,
and maintain it etc. but I'm not sure I'd ever get round to it these days
since I'm now using the 9100 so haven't really used FIDE in ages.

If there was enough interest then I could look at porting it to RealBasic
and doing a Mac version but I doubt there's enough interest out there to
warrant it and I'd also have to borrow a 9010 in order to test the results
really.

Martin.


From james at quarterarcade.com  Sun Feb 22 21:38:30 2009
From: james at quarterarcade.com (James Bright)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:38:30 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] FS: More 9100A items
Message-ID: <32441222$5455155$2d15af26$@com>

As a professional .NET developer... I can tell you it ain't pretty. I did 
it in VB6 (which I had to "learn" because I hate VB) because at the time 
there weren't any great serial APIs for .NET. That's probably not true 
anymore. I did start on a 9100A version of FIDE (because I find the 9100A 
soooo much slower than I can actually type) but that was about the time 
that my second child came along so I didn't have much time to devote to 
that. Besides that 9010A is a lot more approachable for anyone beginning to 
troubleshoot. 

How are you making out on the 9100A? There is a lot of potential there. I 
could "shotgun" a board a lot more quickly with the 9010, but the 9100 
would be more thorough if you have the time to invest. The thought did 
occur to me to sell my bench 9100... then I booted it up tonight and went 
into editor mode and reminded myself how cool a little test machine it was 
:-)

JB

----------------------------------------
From: martin at guddler.co.uk
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:25 PM
To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist at flippers.com>
Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] FS: More 9100A items 

> P.S. I am thinking of opening up FIDE as open source. Thoughts? Of 
course
> it's written in crappy VB6.

I'd certainly be interested in taking a look!

A few years ago I'd have offered to take it on and bring it up to .NET,
and maintain it etc. but I'm not sure I'd ever get round to it these days
since I'm now using the 9100 so haven't really used FIDE in ages.

If there was enough interest then I could look at porting it to RealBasic
and doing a Mac version but I doubt there's enough interest out there to
warrant it and I'd also have to borrow a 9010 in order to test the results
really.

Martin.

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From martin at guddler.co.uk  Mon Feb 23 13:07:07 2009
From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:07:07 +0000
Subject: [Techtoolslist] FS: More 9100A items
In-Reply-To: <32441222$5455155$2d15af26$@com>
References: <32441222$5455155$2d15af26$@com>
Message-ID: <B1686B01-1AAB-4181-A30F-9ED61B082255@guddler.co.uk>

I forgot when I posted yesterday saying that I could look at a Mac  
version of FIDE that there is the 9LC compiler sat behind FIDE making  
the compiled scripts! I started looking at writing a Mac compiler for  
the 9010 a couple years ago but like so much else it went out of the  
window when the 9100 came along. I didn't actually cut many lines of  
code on it, but I looked into the theory of it all and it all seemed  
perfectly straight forward and "do-able". Some of the things required  
for that you must have already tackled in order to put in the syntax  
highlighting and recognition of FIDE.

Nothing wrong with VB6 incidentally. Sure, it's not desperately  
pleasant to work with, even down to the fact that mouse wheels aren't  
supported in the IDE but that's not surprising really as they weren't  
the norm back when it came out. You can be very clever with VB itself,  
even getting to do some pseudo object oriented stuff. I don't use it  
much any more but I do still have to from time to time as I have to  
write custom modules for some legacy software even now in my job.

Anyway, getting back on track, for everyone else's benefit!

I've not seen the slowness of the 9100A, probably because I was lucky  
enough to get an FT with the faster processor and I'm also running off  
of compact flash memory instead of a hard drive. I've done a few bits  
and pieces that I really should put on my website, but none are  
finished properly and lack error handlers and the like.

Like most other people on here, I imagine, I only tend to sit there  
doing stuff on the 9100 when I have stuff to fix so once the board is  
working I end up moving on and forgetting all about it. And I have to  
admit it, a lot of the time using it in immediate mode gets the job  
done!

The only things that i've really done so far are implement the CRC  
calculation program that Andy posted up here a year back, and I also  
took Phil Eaton's Quick Basic program for calculating Atari signatures  
and converted them to 9100 so I have CAT box signature routines on my  
9100. I'd like to write a menu based system so that for any game I  
want to troubleshoot I only have to produce a couple of text files  
with some settings in them and i can run a bunch of standard tests,  
selecting them from a front end. As with all things though, it'll  
probably never happen due to time. It's always quicker to fix the  
board than it is to write something to make it quicker to do it next  
time round :)

Martin.


On 23 Feb 2009, at 02:38, James Bright wrote:

> As a professional .NET developer... I can tell you it ain't pretty.  
> I did
> it in VB6 (which I had to "learn" because I hate VB) because at the  
> time
> there weren't any great serial APIs for .NET. That's probably not true
> anymore. I did start on a 9100A version of FIDE (because I find the  
> 9100A
> soooo much slower than I can actually type) but that was about the  
> time
> that my second child came along so I didn't have much time to devote  
> to
> that. Besides that 9010A is a lot more approachable for anyone  
> beginning to
> troubleshoot.
>
> How are you making out on the 9100A? There is a lot of potential  
> there. I
> could "shotgun" a board a lot more quickly with the 9010, but the 9100
> would be more thorough if you have the time to invest. The thought did
> occur to me to sell my bench 9100... then I booted it up tonight and  
> went
> into editor mode and reminded myself how cool a little test machine  
> it was
> :-)
>
> JB
>
> ----------------------------------------
> From: martin at guddler.co.uk
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:25 PM
> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist at flippers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] FS: More 9100A items
>
>> P.S. I am thinking of opening up FIDE as open source. Thoughts? Of
> course
>> it's written in crappy VB6.
>
> I'd certainly be interested in taking a look!
>
> A few years ago I'd have offered to take it on and bring it up  
> to .NET,
> and maintain it etc. but I'm not sure I'd ever get round to it these  
> days
> since I'm now using the 9100 so haven't really used FIDE in ages.
>
> If there was enough interest then I could look at porting it to  
> RealBasic
> and doing a Mac version but I doubt there's enough interest out  
> there to
> warrant it and I'd also have to borrow a 9010 in order to test the  
> results
> really.
>
> Martin.
>
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From trmatthe at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 13:38:02 2009
From: trmatthe at gmail.com (Tim Matthews)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:38:02 +0000
Subject: [Techtoolslist] OT: FIDE x64 and the future
Message-ID: <1878be400902231038n2975157ev7edd424ef683c644@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I just wanted to chime in here. First, thanks to James for FIDE and the many
hours of easy 9010A programming it has provided me.

Secondly, I recently upgraded to Vista x64 and found that FIDE no longer
works. I was planning to mail James separately but this seems an appropriate
forum. The issue as Martin has alluded is 9lc.exe and its status as a 16bit
exe. As there is no 16bit run time or thunking on x64, it fails badly. I was
happy to accept this as recently I've just been using FIDE to suck scripts
from the Fluke for storage. Unfortunately, it seems FIDE tries to run 9lc
when most FIDE - Fluke IO operations occur. These fail and FIDE refuses to
go further. Is it possible to provide a short-term fix build which allows
the FIDE - Fluke IO without calling 9lc? A sort of compiled object only
mode?

The second part, and that which I think is much more important for the
future when x64 and/or non-intel CPUs become ubiquitous is to define a
replacement for 9lc. I've not performed any analysis yet, but I would
anticipate it's a simple, non-relocatable compiler. Are there any details
'out there'? Does anybody have any Fluke documentation or tech notes on the
format? I've written compilers before and hopefully in the reaches of my
brain, enough information remains to get a basic replacement coded. I don't
think I have enough time to reduce 9lc back to source to determine the inner
workings, but I am confident I can find enough time to code a replacement
from a partial spec.

To make a production grade replacement, I'd need plenty of varied source
scripts too; if this takes off I'll be back for those later. It would of
course be released to the public domain.

thanks,
tim

From martin at guddler.co.uk  Mon Feb 23 13:39:33 2009
From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:39:33 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Techtoolslist] OT: FIDE x64 and the future
In-Reply-To: <1878be400902231038n2975157ev7edd424ef683c644@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1878be400902231038n2975157ev7edd424ef683c644@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35342.82.69.85.211.1235414373.squirrel@webmail.guddler.co.uk>

Hi Tim,

It's actually pretty easy. It's not really a compiler as such. Hmm, well,
I suppose it is! All it does is convert the commands into 9010 keypresses
pretty much.

The format is actually fully documented in the back of one of the manuals.
I forget which one it is but my money would be on it being a technical or
programming one :)

Martin.

> Hi all,
>
> I just wanted to chime in here. First, thanks to James for FIDE and the
> many
> hours of easy 9010A programming it has provided me.
>
> Secondly, I recently upgraded to Vista x64 and found that FIDE no longer
> works. I was planning to mail James separately but this seems an
> appropriate
> forum. The issue as Martin has alluded is 9lc.exe and its status as a
> 16bit
> exe. As there is no 16bit run time or thunking on x64, it fails badly. I
> was
> happy to accept this as recently I've just been using FIDE to suck scripts
> from the Fluke for storage. Unfortunately, it seems FIDE tries to run 9lc
> when most FIDE - Fluke IO operations occur. These fail and FIDE refuses to
> go further. Is it possible to provide a short-term fix build which allows
> the FIDE - Fluke IO without calling 9lc? A sort of compiled object only
> mode?
>
> The second part, and that which I think is much more important for the
> future when x64 and/or non-intel CPUs become ubiquitous is to define a
> replacement for 9lc. I've not performed any analysis yet, but I would
> anticipate it's a simple, non-relocatable compiler. Are there any details
> 'out there'? Does anybody have any Fluke documentation or tech notes on
> the
> format? I've written compilers before and hopefully in the reaches of my
> brain, enough information remains to get a basic replacement coded. I
> don't
> think I have enough time to reduce 9lc back to source to determine the
> inner
> workings, but I am confident I can find enough time to code a replacement
> from a partial spec.
>
> To make a production grade replacement, I'd need plenty of varied source
> scripts too; if this takes off I'll be back for those later. It would of
> course be released to the public domain.
>
> thanks,
> tim
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From james at quarterarcade.com  Mon Feb 23 13:52:38 2009
From: james at quarterarcade.com (James Bright)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:52:38 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] OT: FIDE x64 and the future
Message-ID: <5fd1b296$4c63cde3$20e68638$@com>

The format for the output was documented. IIRC, though, there were also one 
or two errors in the documentation. There was an alternative compiler that 
someone created that documents these commands. It was at John's old ftp 
site. I'm sure he has it somewhere. If you read that .BAS file, you can 
learn about some other hidden/unpublished tricks. 

I took the approach of creating a "pre-compiler" that dealt with include 
files and such and then that got passed into the 9LC compiler because I 
didn't want to have to re-write a compiler. Believe me, the thought did 
cross my mind! Imagine being able to write something closer to C# that 
could run on the 9010A :-)

But once I got FIDE to a point, I figured it was "good enough". I was 
spending far more time developing FIDE than fixing boards! Although it was 
a fun project. 

I'll look into putting FIDE up on sourceforge.net some time this week. Then 
others that want to take a crack at it can. Another approach that I had 
considered was doing something like butchering #develop or some other IDE 
to have a richer, color syntax highlighting IDE to write the test scripts 
in. 

JB 

----------------------------------------
From: martin at guddler.co.uk
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:43 PM
To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist at flippers.com>
Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] OT: FIDE x64 and the future 

Hi Tim,

It's actually pretty easy. It's not really a compiler as such. Hmm, well,
I suppose it is! All it does is convert the commands into 9010 keypresses
pretty much.

The format is actually fully documented in the back of one of the manuals.
I forget which one it is but my money would be on it being a technical or
programming one :)

Martin.

> Hi all,
>
> I just wanted to chime in here. First, thanks to James for FIDE and the
> many
> hours of easy 9010A programming it has provided me.
>
> Secondly, I recently upgraded to Vista x64 and found that FIDE no longer
> works. I was planning to mail James separately but this seems an
> appropriate
> forum. The issue as Martin has alluded is 9lc.exe and its status as a
> 16bit
> exe. As there is no 16bit run time or thunking on x64, it fails badly. I
> was
> happy to accept this as recently I've just been using FIDE to suck 
scripts
> from the Fluke for storage. Unfortunately, it seems FIDE tries to run 
9lc
> when most FIDE - Fluke IO operations occur. These fail and FIDE refuses 
to
> go further. Is it possible to provide a short-term fix build which 
allows
> the FIDE - Fluke IO without calling 9lc? A sort of compiled object only
> mode?
>
> The second part, and that which I think is much more important for the
> future when x64 and/or non-intel CPUs become ubiquitous is to define a
> replacement for 9lc. I've not performed any analysis yet, but I would
> anticipate it's a simple, non-relocatable compiler. Are there any 
details
> 'out there'? Does anybody have any Fluke documentation or tech notes on
> the
> format? I've written compilers before and hopefully in the reaches of my
> brain, enough information remains to get a basic replacement coded. I
> don't
> think I have enough time to reduce 9lc back to source to determine the
> inner
> workings, but I am confident I can find enough time to code a 
replacement
> from a partial spec.
>
> To make a production grade replacement, I'd need plenty of varied source
> scripts too; if this takes off I'll be back for those later. It would of
> course be released to the public domain.
>
> thanks,
> tim
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From james at quarterarcade.com  Tue Feb 24 20:28:16 2009
From: james at quarterarcade.com (James Bright)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:28:16 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] FIDE now available on assembla
Message-ID: <1a2bbf84$38ad231$3c445bb8$@com>

I've made available a public svn repository for FIDE. You'll have read only 
access by default. If you want to actually write some real code or create a 
branch (say FIDE.net!) then contact me and we'll see about adding you onto 
the team. 

Happy coding...

http://www.assembla.com/spaces/FIDE

JB

 

From james at quarterarcade.com  Tue Feb 24 20:37:03 2009
From: james at quarterarcade.com (James Bright)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:37:03 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] FIDE now available on assembla
Message-ID: <42e97a0b$f96cbde$7e170912$@com>

P.S. Assembla is a pretty good, free place to have source code stored for 
you particularly if you are familiar with svn & tortoise. I could easily 
add a "scripts" directory and we could use that to share 9010A scripts if 
there is interest. The benefit over ftp is that you get revision history. 
John I'm pretty sure I could add you as a co-admin.

JB

----------------------------------------
From: "James Bright" <james at quarterarcade.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:29 PM
To: techtoolslist at flippers.com
Subject: [Techtoolslist] FIDE now available on assembla 

I've made available a public svn repository for FIDE. You'll have read only 

access by default. If you want to actually write some real code or create a 

branch (say FIDE.net!) then contact me and we'll see about adding you onto 

the team. 

Happy coding...

http://www.assembla.com/spaces/FIDE

JB

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From ajcrm125 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 20:58:15 2009
From: ajcrm125 at gmail.com (Adam Courchesne)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:58:15 -0500
Subject: [Techtoolslist] FIDE now available on assembla
In-Reply-To: <42e97a0b$f96cbde$7e170912$@com>
References: <42e97a0b$f96cbde$7e170912$@com>
Message-ID: <7fcc300902241758n38f4922dk7b2f480295898a13@mail.gmail.com>

Kudos to you James.  Lots of people would rather see their projects die out
before you can pull the source code from their cold, dead hands. :)
I also love the idea of having a space for scripts to share.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:37 PM, James Bright <james at quarterarcade.com>wrote:

> P.S. Assembla is a pretty good, free place to have source code stored for
> you particularly if you are familiar with svn & tortoise. I could easily
> add a "scripts" directory and we could use that to share 9010A scripts if
> there is interest. The benefit over ftp is that you get revision history.
> John I'm pretty sure I could add you as a co-admin.
>
> JB
>
> ----------------------------------------
> From: "James Bright" <james at quarterarcade.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:29 PM
> To: techtoolslist at flippers.com
> Subject: [Techtoolslist] FIDE now available on assembla
>
> I've made available a public svn repository for FIDE. You'll have read only
>
> access by default. If you want to actually write some real code or create a
>
> branch (say FIDE.net!) then contact me and we'll see about adding you onto
>
> the team.
>
> Happy coding...
>
> http://www.assembla.com/spaces/FIDE
>
> JB
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From james at quarterarcade.com  Tue Feb 24 21:16:43 2009
From: james at quarterarcade.com (James Bright)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:16:43 -0700
Subject: [Techtoolslist] FIDE now available on assembla
Message-ID: <7e44f48d$4c13c9c9$67f4c161$@com>

Ha. LMK if you feel the same way after a code review :-)

JB

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From: "Adam Courchesne" <ajcrm125 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:05 PM
To: james at quarterarcade.com, "Technical Tools Mail List" 
<techtoolslist at flippers.com>
Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] FIDE now available on assembla 

Kudos to you James.  Lots of people would rather see their projects die out 
before you can pull the source code from their cold, dead hands. :)
I also love the idea of having a space for scripts to share.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:37 PM, James Bright <james at quarterarcade.com> 
wrote:

P.S. Assembla is a pretty good, free place to have source code stored for

you particularly if you are familiar with svn & tortoise. I could easily

add a "scripts" directory and we could use that to share 9010A scripts if

there is interest. The benefit over ftp is that you get revision history.

John I'm pretty sure I could add you as a co-admin.


JB


----------------------------------------

From: "James Bright" <james at quarterarcade.com>

Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:29 PM

To: techtoolslist at flippers.com

Subject: [Techtoolslist] FIDE now available on assembla


I've made available a public svn repository for FIDE. You'll have read 
only


access by default. If you want to actually write some real code or create 
a


branch (say FIDE.net!) then contact me and we'll see about adding you onto


the team.


Happy coding...


http://www.assembla.com/spaces/FIDE


JB


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From electronicamuse at aol.com  Tue Mar 17 18:34:47 2009
From: electronicamuse at aol.com (electronicamuse at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:34:47 -0400
Subject: [Techtoolslist] PAT-9001 (UK version Pat-9000), seeking info
Message-ID: <8CB7567B651429C-1138-1A0F@webmail-db14.sysops.aol.com>

I think that I have one of these units, but no labels anywhere.  I read 
an old RGVAC posting that somebody in the UK found some and they were 
reported to be like a boiled-down version of the PAT-9000.  I'd love to 
get any info on it.  It's not quite like the PAT-9000, so I am not sure 
how to hook up a vector monitor.

Included in my purchase is some spare ITT Cannon housings, etc.   I 
might be up for some trades.


thanks


Dave