From arnaljl at akeonet.com Fri Apr 3 20:24:59 2009 From: arnaljl at akeonet.com (Jean-Louis ARNAL) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 02:24:59 +0200 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Some (old) news about ARIUM ML4100 Message-ID: <68B0BDFC318847A795244404FC278D19@NEPTUNE> Greetings, salutations, and numerous bows.... Here is my first addition to the TechToolsList knowledge base : the complete schematics of the ML4100's PSU. I'll have it included as a PDF file with this mail, hoping our dear admin will have time to put it on the FTP. By the way, please feel free to report me any mistake concerning the circuit's layout. Have fun... JL.ARNAL Being french is not a desease... I suppose so... From matt at rossiters.com Wed Apr 15 18:19:33 2009 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:19:33 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a and Sega G80 boards Message-ID: Has anyone tried reading ROM signatures on the Sega G80 boardsets using the Fluke 9010a? I'm getting inconsistent signatures each time I tried to read each rom. I'm able to successfully read/write to the CPU and Vector Rams though. The boards all work fine with a normal Z80 processor installed, but I can't run the game with a Z-80 pod connected to it. Just wondering if anyone else has had the same problem. Matt From musicman32150 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 15 21:15:00 2009 From: musicman32150 at hotmail.com (Paul Stewart) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:15:00 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 189 FVF2 for sale Message-ID: I have too many meters This is hardly used, I am asking $300.00, make an offer. Box and all documentation http://us.fluke.com/usen/products/180+FVF.htm The 189 Data Logging Multimeter and Software Combo Pack provides a practical, affordable approach to achieve significantly improved maintenance performance. With the flexibility to monitor more than 20 different electrical functions plus temperature, it can help you increase your team?s productivity and reduce downtime by helping you find your problems faster. ? With its built-in data logger, Fluke 189 helps you track down elusive, intermittent problems, monitoring equipment while you do other jobs.? Flukeview Forms Software (included in Combo Pak) allows overlaying of data from six different meters or time periods to find cause-effect relationships or for predictive maintenance applications.? With the break-through accuracy and precision of the Fluke 189, our most advanced DMM, you?ll catch events as brief as 50 ms.? The rugged Fluke 189 is designed for the kind of harsh environment that would ruin most data loggers. The 189 has a CAT III 1000V / CAT IV 600 V safety rating that protects both the user and the meter.? For extended remote logging applications, you can log up to 400 hours of data using the extended run-time battery pack.? Turn data into meaningful graphs and tables using FlukeView? Forms software on your PC.? Magnetic Hanger allows you to hang your meter for hands-free use.? Soft carrying case protects your investment.? USB cable included in Combo Pack. it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests PostingID: 1114051870 _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail?: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Updates1_042009 From jrr at flippers.com Wed Apr 15 21:21:22 2009 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:21:22 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Building a Fluke 9010A RAM test for 5101s Message-ID: <49E68812.8080807@flippers.com> Random ramblings... Has anyone created a test for these CMOS RAMs? I am not very good at programming and it would be useful to have this. The only other way I can think to make a valid test is to make an adapter that holds a second 5101 that fits onthe5101 under test and run all the lines except the data in parallel - have a jumper that takes the extra 4 data lines over to a Eprom/ROM using a glomper clip. However a proper software test would be more elegant...yet the glomper easier to make up! If I can find a 22 pin version that is, or simply bend out the data lines and wedge the5101 onto the one on the board...hmm, that does sound easier, then one can use the built-in Fluke RAM test. I'll let you know if the glomper test gizmo works - have a couple of irritating Williams boards to try this on. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From c.cowgill at comcast.net Thu Apr 16 01:59:24 2009 From: c.cowgill at comcast.net (Clay Cowgill) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:59:24 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a and Sega G80 boards In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6A98BAE342D243CDB37F8AAB05DA84DA@ClayP4New> > Has anyone tried reading ROM signatures on the Sega G80 > boardsets using the Fluke 9010a? I'm getting inconsistent > signatures each time I tried to read each rom. I'm able to > successfully read/write to the CPU and Vector Rams though. > The boards all work fine with a normal Z80 processor > installed, but I can't run the game with a Z-80 pod connected > to it. Just wondering if anyone else has had the same > problem. Matt _______________________________________________ I used the 9010a with the Sega multigame way back in the day and I don't remember any gotchas, but I have seen similar behaviour with a 6502 pod and my Tempest board. (I can't 'run' the game from the pod, although I can examine and test memory just fine.) You might try a different CPU in the pod, or another z80 pod if you have one available. -Clay From jrr at flippers.com Thu Apr 16 20:33:55 2009 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:33:55 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Building a Fluke 9010A RAM test for 5101s In-Reply-To: <49E68812.8080807@flippers.com> References: <49E68812.8080807@flippers.com> Message-ID: <49E7CE73.1070008@flippers.com> John Robertson wrote: > Random ramblings... > > Has anyone created a test for these CMOS RAMs? I am not very good at > programming and it would be useful to have this. ... Gotta love hardware solutions...I found an old 22-pin glomper clip, soldered a 22 pin IC socket to one side (12 - 22) and jumper wired the other - except for the Data pins #9, 10, & 11. Next put a second socket with legs 12 - 16 bent out (checked that they wouldn't short to the 1st socket). A four wire ribbon cable is now soldered to these pins (jumpered pairs together) and the other end of the ribbon cable goes to a 24 pin socket -with the wires tip soldered to the edges of the socket solder tabs D4 - D7 pins (14 - 17). Now the glomper fits onto the 5101 under test, and the 24 pin socket plugs into, well, a 24 pin socket withinthe 10 inch reach of the ribbon cable. Voila! A handy, dandy way to test 5101s without unsoldering the suckers(assuming the CPU is socketed) as the 9010A can now be used with the short or long RAM test... I'm going to put a ZIF socket on my glomperIC socket stack so I can test my 5101 inventory - a number of them appear to be not too healthy and the long RAM test is quite extensive... Another reason that every game repair shop needs a 9010 and assorted pods... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From jrr at flippers.com Sat Apr 18 11:32:30 2009 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 08:32:30 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100A discs on eBay... Message-ID: <49E9F28E.6030708@flippers.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380118285790 Version 4.1 disks, may be useful to someone here... John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment From matt at rossiters.com Thu Apr 23 17:28:47 2009 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matthew Rossiter) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:28:47 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Repairing Fluke 9010a Tape Decks Message-ID: <041495E1BB0C4400BDB92AB9EC91A3AC@dyn.us.ad.ntta.com> Has anyone ever seriously gone through and tried repairing these? There seems to be two main problems. 1) The Playwheel gets dented as a result of being pressed next to the capstan for years. Thanks to Art Mallet, I was able to get one replacement playwheel. I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to replace the rubber ring since replacement playwheels are no longer available. I might try some O-rings from here http://www.mcmaster.com/#as568a-o-rings/=1koq0o unless someone knows a tape cassette specialist that carries something similar to the Fluke 9010a Tape deck. Question: Has anyone ever tried a workaround for the bad playwheel problem? 2) The second problem seems to be the LED / Phototransistor sensor pair that signals the end of tape (Clear Leader). In both tape decks I have, I've had to replace the 2n3906 transistor at Q5 that turns the Clear Leader signal on and off. I've replaced the phototransistor and the IR LED, but it still isn't signalling the end of tape properly. Question: Has anyone ever replaced the LED and Phototransistor and gotten it to work? I know they need to be matched. What part numbers did you get? I have a bunch of video game related tapes I want to record to a file and share. Thanks! Matt PS. Here is a condensed version of the Fluke 9010a Service manual that deals primarily with the Tape Deck. http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/fluke/Fluke-9010a-Tape-Deck.pdf From mjsalay at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 21:18:03 2009 From: mjsalay at gmail.com (Mike Salay) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:18:03 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] looking for fluke 9010a probe Message-ID: <543917ca0904231818x4e8eee0fy68fcdb4d5217ed91@mail.gmail.com> I recently acquired a 9010a but without the probe. Anyone have one for sale or trade ? drop me a line, Mike From seafurious at hotmail.com Fri Apr 24 09:47:30 2009 From: seafurious at hotmail.com (Stuart Banks) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:47:30 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] LF: Fluke 9000A-6502 pod In-Reply-To: <543917ca0904231818x4e8eee0fy68fcdb4d5217ed91@mail.gmail.com> References: <543917ca0904231818x4e8eee0fy68fcdb4d5217ed91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I am looking for a 9000A-6502 POD to add to my troubleshooting arsenal. I have a number of 9000A series pods for the 9010A / 9020A that I would like to barter / trade for a fully functional, good condition 9000A-6502 POD. Would prefer to trade but purchase might be an option. Functional, tested PODS that I have available for possible trade: 9000A-68000 9000A-Z80 9000A-8085 9000A-8080 If you or someone you know has a spare 9000A-6502 pod that they are willing to trade for, please have them get back to me. Thanks, Stuart (Ottawa, ON) _________________________________________________________________ Reinvent how you stay in touch with the new Windows Live Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650731 From wkarkula at comcast.net Mon Apr 27 16:43:30 2009 From: wkarkula at comcast.net (Bill Karkula) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:43:30 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 100uF 20V Wet Tantalum Substitute? Message-ID: I acquired an HP1740A scope and all is well except this one capacitor described as 100uF 20V +/- 10% wet tantalum which has leaked and the electrolyte crystallized located on the timebase board. Do I need to replace it exactly or is there a newer type of capacitor that can be used as a substitute with better than or equal to characteristics of a wet tantalum? I looked around and the wet tantalums are very pricey. I know capacitor technology has come a long way and maybe someone can help save me the research. Thank You, Bill From jrr at flippers.com Mon Apr 27 17:07:23 2009 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:07:23 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 100uF 20V Wet Tantalum Substitute? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F61E8B.1020309@flippers.com> Bill Karkula wrote: > I acquired an HP1740A scope and all is well except this one capacitor > described as 100uF 20V +/- 10% wet tantalum which has leaked and the > electrolyte crystallized located on the timebase board. Do I need to > replace it exactly or is there a newer type of capacitor that can be used as > a substitute with better than or equal to characteristics of a wet tantalum? > I looked around and the wet tantalums are very pricey. I know capacitor > technology has come a long way and maybe someone can help save me the > research. > > > > Thank You, > > > > Bill > > _ Hi Bill, I found good info on Tantalum capacitors here: http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/data/capacitor/tantalum-capacitor.php You can then decide where you want to go with replacing the rascal! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From rlboots at cedar-rapids.net Mon Apr 27 19:19:17 2009 From: rlboots at cedar-rapids.net (Rodger Boots) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:19:17 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 100uF 20V Wet Tantalum Substitute? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F63D75.70705@cedar-rapids.net> There should be no problem using a regular tantalum there. One little known factoid about HP test equipment is that it is mostly designed to military specifications. As the story goes, if the military orders a military version of a piece of test equipment about the only thing that changes is the paint color. So they may have used the wet tantalum for that reason, or maybe it was the more common part back when this was made. Wet tantalums aren't used as much these days, if for no other reason than the "wet" part that leaks can cause a lot of damage. Bill Karkula wrote: > I acquired an HP1740A scope and all is well except this one capacitor > described as 100uF 20V +/- 10% wet tantalum which has leaked and the > electrolyte crystallized located on the timebase board. Do I need to > replace it exactly or is there a newer type of capacitor that can be used as > a substitute with better than or equal to characteristics of a wet tantalum? > I looked around and the wet tantalums are very pricey. I know capacitor > technology has come a long way and maybe someone can help save me the > research. > > > > Thank You, > > > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > From wkarkula at comcast.net Mon Apr 27 22:03:02 2009 From: wkarkula at comcast.net (Bill Karkula) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:03:02 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] 100uF 20V Wet Tantalum Substitute? In-Reply-To: <49F63D75.70705@cedar-rapids.net> References: <49F63D75.70705@cedar-rapids.net> Message-ID: CRC has graciously offered one to me for the postage and I have emailed him back with my mailing address and a big thank you. I was really impressed - The outside was dusty but the inside was immaculate like the day it left the factory. It's big and heavy but will fit on my scope cart. A quick check and other than the timebase range problem due to that cap, the accuracy was almost factory perfect as well with strong sync. It also has the multimeter option on the cover - an added plus. It looks like all it needs is a good external cleaning and this cap replaced and I am good to go. I'm not worried about leakage - if the replacement lasts half as long as the original one did, I'll be in great shape. Bill -----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com] On Behalf Of Rodger Boots Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:19 PM To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] 100uF 20V Wet Tantalum Substitute? There should be no problem using a regular tantalum there. One little known factoid about HP test equipment is that it is mostly designed to military specifications. As the story goes, if the military orders a military version of a piece of test equipment about the only thing that changes is the paint color. So they may have used the wet tantalum for that reason, or maybe it was the more common part back when this was made. Wet tantalums aren't used as much these days, if for no other reason than the "wet" part that leaks can cause a lot of damage. Bill Karkula wrote: > I acquired an HP1740A scope and all is well except this one capacitor > described as 100uF 20V +/- 10% wet tantalum which has leaked and the > electrolyte crystallized located on the timebase board. Do I need to > replace it exactly or is there a newer type of capacitor that can be used as > a substitute with better than or equal to characteristics of a wet tantalum? > I looked around and the wet tantalums are very pricey. I know capacitor > technology has come a long way and maybe someone can help save me the > research. > > > > Thank You, > > > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From matt at rossiters.com Thu Apr 30 13:52:27 2009 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:52:27 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Dataman 48Pro+ Universal ISP Programmer Message-ID: <02926938cf1467293643bc0fec96bdca@localhost> I saved enough money in my Videogame piggy bank to buy one of these a few months ago. Mainly because I was tired of using the big and bulky Data I/O 29b and always coming short of an occasional adapter that I needed. I just wanted something that fits in my desk that I can check IC's with and burn any eprom I needed. I have to say, their support team is a big plus. I asked them to add the 82S114/82S115 proms to their list - which are pretty uncommon. I just needed to send them a couple samples and some datasheets and they did it. I was able to test and burn some Atari Drag Race proms this morning. I also asked them to add 2101A/9101A rams so that I could go through and test my stash. It will also test 2114's but sometimes there are some brands that fail such as the Toshiba TMM314's - so I asked them to add those and they did. You certainly get what you pay for. :) The only bummer is you do need an expensive ($200) adapter for 2708's or TMS2716 eproms - so I keep my Data I/O at bay for those. Matt From davids at oz.net Fri May 1 02:15:02 2009 From: davids at oz.net (David Shoemaker) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:15:02 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Tweaking a 9010 z80 pod to be a z80b pod? Message-ID: <009601c9ca24$29e5f6e0$4401a8c0@obie> Trying to get a pair of spy hunter boards working. One is brain dead and I want to run it through the 9010 paces. But I don't have a z80b pod. Is it possible to mod a z80 pod to be a z80b pod? David From mike at the-coates.com Fri May 1 04:17:40 2009 From: mike at the-coates.com (mike at the-coates.com) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 10:17:40 +0200 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Tweaking a 9010 z80 pod to be a z80b pod? Message-ID: <29718290.1038451241165860184.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work if you swopped the CPU in the pod for a B version, although I've obviously been lucky, my Z80 pod works fine at 6Mhz without me needing to do that. (I did however, replace the 12Mhz CPU with a 16Mhz one in my 68000 pod) --- Trying to get a pair of spy hunter boards working. One is brain dead and I want to run it through the 9010 paces. But I don't have a z80b pod. Is it possible to mod a z80 pod to be a z80b pod? From mail at nessandsteve.plus.com Fri May 1 07:17:25 2009 From: mail at nessandsteve.plus.com (mail at nessandsteve.plus.com) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:17:25 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Techtoolslist] WTD: HP 54120 test set umbilical cable (54120-61618) Message-ID: <8047.82.133.52.186.1241176645.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Hello All, Can anyone help me out? I am after the cable (54120-61618) that connects the test set to the main frame for this beast of a scope. There is one on ebay.com at the moment: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HP-54120-61618-2m-umbilical-cable-for-54121T-system_W0QQitemZ360150554395QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item360150554395&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 for ?100 delivered. I would like to save some money on it but if not then I would prefer the money went to someone on here. Cheers Steve From technobug at comcast.net Fri May 1 11:14:25 2009 From: technobug at comcast.net (CRC) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 08:14:25 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] WTD: HP 54120 test set umbilical cable (54120-61618) In-Reply-To: <8047.82.133.52.186.1241176645.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> References: <8047.82.133.52.186.1241176645.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Message-ID: <5E13D340-5036-4A4B-B59C-758E523EC228@comcast.net> On May 1, 2009, at 4:17 AM, mail at nessandsteve.plus.com wrote: > Hello All, > Can anyone help me out? I am after the cable (54120-61618) that > connects > the test set to the main frame for this beast of a scope. > > There is one on ebay.com at the moment: > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HP-54120-61618-2m-umbilical-cable-for-54121T-system_W0QQitemZ360150554395QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item360150554395&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 > for ?100 delivered. I would like to save some money on it but if not > then > I would prefer the money went to someone on here. A cursory look at the manual and the connector description indicates that this cable is a 50 pin, straight-thru ribbon cable. I believe a good quality SCSI cable would work perfectly well. Since folks are now tossing them, you should be able to pick one up for a pittance. CRC From davids at oz.net Tue May 5 13:51:03 2009 From: davids at oz.net (David Shoemaker) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:51:03 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Tweaking a 9010 z80 pod to be a z80b pod? In-Reply-To: <29718290.1038451241165860184.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> References: <29718290.1038451241165860184.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> Message-ID: <000001c9cdaa$0f0fadf0$4401a8c0@obie> Anyone have the schematics / manual for the z80aa pod? I want to do a quick compare of the z80 and z80aa pods. Thanks, David -----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com] On Behalf Of mike at the-coates.com Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 1:18 AM To: techtoolslist at flippers.com Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Tweaking a 9010 z80 pod to be a z80b pod? I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work if you swopped the CPU in the pod for a B version, although I've obviously been lucky, my Z80 pod works fine at 6Mhz without me needing to do that. (I did however, replace the 12Mhz CPU with a 16Mhz one in my 68000 pod) --- Trying to get a pair of spy hunter boards working. One is brain dead and I want to run it through the 9010 paces. But I don't have a z80b pod. Is it possible to mod a z80 pod to be a z80b pod? _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From martin at guddler.co.uk Tue May 5 14:03:27 2009 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:03:27 +0100 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Tweaking a 9010 z80 pod to be a z80b pod? In-Reply-To: <29718290.1038451241165860184.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> References: <29718290.1038451241165860184.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> Message-ID: <22D1A872-62A1-4AB2-BEF8-8F465DFDFF84@guddler.co.uk> MCR board sets are peculiar things. I have had only limited success using a 9010 with them. I found that most of the time a Run UUT simply wouldn't work but occasionally it would. The chances improved when I burnt my own set of ROMs. This was Tron incidentally. I think it had something to do with the speed of the ROMs and the Z80CTC. I'd have to find my test rom set to look up the speed of the roms that i ended up using. I seem to recall that I was able to do rom and ram tests ok. I should probably point out that this is going back about 5 years now, hence the slightly vague response! Martin. On 1 May 2009, at 09:17, mike at the-coates.com wrote: > I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work if you swopped the > CPU in the pod for a B version, although I've obviously been lucky, > my Z80 pod works fine at 6Mhz without me needing to do that. > > (I did however, replace the 12Mhz CPU with a 16Mhz one in my 68000 > pod) > > --- > > Trying to get a pair of spy hunter boards working. One is brain > dead and I want to run it through the 9010 paces. But I don't have > a z80b pod. Is it possible to mod a z80 pod to be a z80b pod? > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From jrr at flippers.com Tue May 5 14:10:43 2009 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 11:10:43 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Tweaking a 9010 z80 pod to be a z80b pod? In-Reply-To: <000001c9cdaa$0f0fadf0$4401a8c0@obie> References: <29718290.1038451241165860184.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> <000001c9cdaa$0f0fadf0$4401a8c0@obie> Message-ID: <4A008123.5010502@flippers.com> David Shoemaker wrote: > Anyone have the schematics / manual for the z80aa pod? I want to do a quick > compare of the z80 and z80aa pods. > > Thanks, > David > > According to my notes the Z80 and Z80AA pods have the same ROM, I suspect the only difference is the CPU... The Z80 PDF is up on the FTP site, but nothing for the AA other than the ROM image. John :-#)# > -----Original Message----- > From: techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com > [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com] On Behalf Of mike at the-coates.com > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 1:18 AM > To: techtoolslist at flippers.com > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Tweaking a 9010 z80 pod to be a z80b pod? > > I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work if you swopped the CPU in > the pod for a B version, although I've obviously been lucky, my Z80 pod > works fine at 6Mhz without me needing to do that. > > (I did however, replace the 12Mhz CPU with a 16Mhz one in my 68000 pod) > > --- > > Trying to get a pair of spy hunter boards working. One is brain dead and I > want to run it through the 9010 paces. But I don't have a z80b pod. Is it > possible to mod a z80 pod to be a z80b pod? > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > > From colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com Mon May 11 15:11:30 2009 From: colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com (Colin Davies) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:11:30 +0100 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Tweaking a 9010 z80 pod to be a z80b pod? References: <29718290.1038451241165860184.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> <22D1A872-62A1-4AB2-BEF8-8F465DFDFF84@guddler.co.uk> Message-ID: <1904611E518541888DACE7CF0792FF7C@cwdxppc1> I s'pose you could at a push swap the crystal on the game pcb to a slower one to do the fluke testing stuff with the slower z80 pod ??? Obvioulsy the video wouldn't be to spec and such like.... but just a thought... feel free to blow me out of the water... Once the fluke has found faults and you have repaired them, you would re fit the old crysal and continue the troubleshooting... Regards, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Technical Tools Mail List" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Tweaking a 9010 z80 pod to be a z80b pod? > MCR board sets are peculiar things. I have had only limited success using > a 9010 with them. I found that most of the time a Run UUT simply wouldn't > work but occasionally it would. The chances improved when I burnt my own > set of ROMs. This was Tron incidentally. I think it had something to do > with the speed of the ROMs and the Z80CTC. I'd have to find my test rom > set to look up the speed of the roms that i ended up using. > > I seem to recall that I was able to do rom and ram tests ok. > > I should probably point out that this is going back about 5 years now, > hence the slightly vague response! > > Martin. > > On 1 May 2009, at 09:17, mike at the-coates.com wrote: > >> I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work if you swopped the CPU >> in the pod for a B version, although I've obviously been lucky, my Z80 >> pod works fine at 6Mhz without me needing to do that. >> >> (I did however, replace the 12Mhz CPU with a 16Mhz one in my 68000 pod) >> >> --- >> >> Trying to get a pair of spy hunter boards working. One is brain dead >> and I want to run it through the 9010 paces. But I don't have a z80b >> pod. Is it possible to mod a z80 pod to be a z80b pod? >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From jrr at flippers.com Mon May 11 15:26:00 2009 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:26:00 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Tweaking a 9010 z80 pod to be a z80b pod? In-Reply-To: <1904611E518541888DACE7CF0792FF7C@cwdxppc1> References: <29718290.1038451241165860184.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> <22D1A872-62A1-4AB2-BEF8-8F465DFDFF84@guddler.co.uk> <1904611E518541888DACE7CF0792FF7C@cwdxppc1> Message-ID: <4A087BC8.2060007@flippers.com> Colin Davies wrote: > I s'pose you could at a push swap the crystal on the game pcb to a > slower one to do the fluke testing stuff with the slower z80 pod ??? > > Obvioulsy the video wouldn't be to spec and such like.... but just a > thought... feel free to blow me out of the water... > > Once the fluke has found faults and you have repaired them, you would > re fit the old crysal and continue the troubleshooting... > > Regards, Colin The problem might be with the CPU cable from the pod - the shorter the better, or find the twisted pair type CPU cable and put it on the Z-80(AA) pod. John :-#)# > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: "Technical Tools Mail List" > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Tweaking a 9010 z80 pod to be a z80b pod? > > >> MCR board sets are peculiar things. I have had only limited success >> using a 9010 with them. I found that most of the time a Run UUT >> simply wouldn't work but occasionally it would. The chances improved >> when I burnt my own set of ROMs. This was Tron incidentally. I think >> it had something to do with the speed of the ROMs and the Z80CTC. >> I'd have to find my test rom set to look up the speed of the roms >> that i ended up using. >> >> I seem to recall that I was able to do rom and ram tests ok. >> >> I should probably point out that this is going back about 5 years >> now, hence the slightly vague response! >> >> Martin. >> >> On 1 May 2009, at 09:17, mike at the-coates.com wrote: >> >>> I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work if you swopped the >>> CPU in the pod for a B version, although I've obviously been lucky, >>> my Z80 pod works fine at 6Mhz without me needing to do that. >>> >>> (I did however, replace the 12Mhz CPU with a 16Mhz one in my 68000 >>> pod) >>> >>> --- >>> >>> Trying to get a pair of spy hunter boards working. One is brain >>> dead and I want to run it through the 9010 paces. But I don't have >>> a z80b pod. Is it possible to mod a z80 pod to be a z80b pod? -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com Mon May 11 16:17:09 2009 From: colin.w.davies at btopenworld.com (Colin Davies) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:17:09 +0100 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Tweaking a 9010 z80 pod to be a z80b pod? References: <29718290.1038451241165860184.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> <22D1A872-62A1-4AB2-BEF8-8F465DFDFF84@guddler.co.uk><1904611E518541888DACE7CF0792FF7C@cwdxppc1> <4A087BC8.2060007@flippers.com> Message-ID: Hmmm...Intereresting..... I've not got my hands on a Z80 pod yet.... ( will be borrowing one once I can go and sort a deal out), so can't comment on the cable fitted as standard.....but I do know my 6502 pod has a twisted pair cable though. Thanks for the insight... Regards, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" To: "Technical Tools Mail List" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Tweaking a 9010 z80 pod to be a z80b pod? > Colin Davies wrote: >> I s'pose you could at a push swap the crystal on the game pcb to a slower >> one to do the fluke testing stuff with the slower z80 pod ??? >> >> Obvioulsy the video wouldn't be to spec and such like.... but just a >> thought... feel free to blow me out of the water... >> >> Once the fluke has found faults and you have repaired them, you would re >> fit the old crysal and continue the troubleshooting... >> >> Regards, Colin > The problem might be with the CPU cable from the pod - the shorter the > better, or find the twisted pair type CPU cable and put it on the Z-80(AA) > pod. > > John :-#)# >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Tweaking a 9010 z80 pod to be a z80b pod? >> >> >>> MCR board sets are peculiar things. I have had only limited success >>> using a 9010 with them. I found that most of the time a Run UUT simply >>> wouldn't work but occasionally it would. The chances improved when I >>> burnt my own set of ROMs. This was Tron incidentally. I think it had >>> something to do with the speed of the ROMs and the Z80CTC. I'd have to >>> find my test rom set to look up the speed of the roms that i ended up >>> using. >>> >>> I seem to recall that I was able to do rom and ram tests ok. >>> >>> I should probably point out that this is going back about 5 years now, >>> hence the slightly vague response! >>> >>> Martin. >>> >>> On 1 May 2009, at 09:17, mike at the-coates.com wrote: >>> >>>> I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work if you swopped the >>>> CPU in the pod for a B version, although I've obviously been lucky, my >>>> Z80 pod works fine at 6Mhz without me needing to do that. >>>> >>>> (I did however, replace the 12Mhz CPU with a 16Mhz one in my 68000 >>>> pod) >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> Trying to get a pair of spy hunter boards working. One is brain dead >>>> and I want to run it through the 9010 paces. But I don't have a z80b >>>> pod. Is it possible to mod a z80 pod to be a z80b pod? > > > -- > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call > (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) > www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip > out" > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From Corey at Stup.net Mon May 11 21:36:58 2009 From: Corey at Stup.net (Corey Stup) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:36:58 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] FS: Fluke 9100 units and accessories Message-ID: <4A08D2BA.6020308@Stup.net> I've got lots of 9100 items to sell. Let me know what you're interested in. 9100A and 9100FT base units video cards -003 I/O modules with DIP adaptors and chip clips pods I'm looking to sell sets if possible so lets make a deal. Its hard to price some of this stuff so we'll just come up with what seems fair. From Corey at Stup.net Mon May 11 21:41:52 2009 From: Corey at Stup.net (Corey Stup) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:41:52 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] FS: EconoROM III 4mbit/45ns EPROM emulator Message-ID: <4A08D3E0.7030801@Stup.net> I've got a 4mbit/45ns ER3 for sale. Comes with parallel adapter, 28 and 32 pin target cables. It was sent back to TechTools to be serviced and checked so its working 100%. Target or (optional) externally powered. This is still the current model they sell for $399. http://www.tech-tools.com/er3.htm $175 + shipping, PayPal accepted. From barry at shilmover.com Wed May 13 13:24:39 2009 From: barry at shilmover.com (Barry Shilmover) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:24:39 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Help with a 68000 Pod In-Reply-To: <17376532.123901242178567624.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> References: <17376532.123901242178567624.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Message-ID: <000f01c9d3ef$b3121140$193633c0$@com> I have a 68000 pod and when I put it into self test mode, I get the following message on the 9100A. "Pod name not yet known (please reset)" I borrowed another pod (z80) and it tested fine (selftest and with a Ms Pac Man board). Ideas? B From barry at shilmover.com Wed May 13 13:24:52 2009 From: barry at shilmover.com (Barry Shilmover) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:24:52 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Looking for Pods/accessories In-Reply-To: <4900643.123751242178492008.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> References: <4900643.123751242178492008.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Message-ID: <001001c9d3ef$bd5887b0$38099710$@com> All, Looking for the following Pods: 6502 8088 z80 Please let me know if you have any for sale/trade. B From patdanis at verizon.net Wed May 13 22:12:27 2009 From: patdanis at verizon.net (Pat Danis) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:12:27 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Looking for Pods/accessories In-Reply-To: <001001c9d3ef$bd5887b0$38099710$@com> References: <4900643.123751242178492008.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <001001c9d3ef$bd5887b0$38099710$@com> Message-ID: <4A0B7E0B.3070502@verizon.net> Barry: I have 2 Fluke 9010As. One has a RS-232 interface. 1 x Z80 pod, 1x 6502 pod, power cords, a really really thick book of instructions (about 3 inches including pod instructions etc) miscellaneous instruction manuals, and a logic probe??. Sold to me as working but one display very dim. Have not even unpacked the box till now. Had to dig for it on my shelf. Looking for $650 shipped to you. Just want to get back what I have into it. I leave town tomorrow at 3:00. Let me know and I can possibly get this shipped before I leave town. This box is heavy heavy. No warranty but if it is shit, let me know and we will work something out. Pat Barry Shilmover wrote: > All, > > Looking for the following Pods: > 6502 > 8088 > z80 > > Please let me know if you have any for sale/trade. > > B > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > From patdanis at verizon.net Wed May 13 22:17:14 2009 From: patdanis at verizon.net (Pat Danis) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:17:14 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Looking for Pods/accessories In-Reply-To: <4A0B7E0B.3070502@verizon.net> References: <4900643.123751242178492008.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <001001c9d3ef$bd5887b0$38099710$@com> <4A0B7E0B.3070502@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4A0B7F2A.1010109@verizon.net> Sorry guys. That wasn't supposed to go here. pat > From matt at rossiters.com Sat May 16 21:20:19 2009 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 18:20:19 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] WTT/WTB Tested and Working Fluke 9010a Tape Deck Message-ID: <87afc96094d02ea48326f180b6c8829d@localhost> I'm getting tired of trying to fix this Fluke 9010a Tape Deck that I have. Does anyone have a working spare Tape Deck that they are willing to sell or trade? I have some extra probes and other things. I'd at least like to know that it's not the troubleshooter itself. Thanks! Matt From matt at rossiters.com Sun May 17 12:02:02 2009 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matthew Rossiter) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:02:02 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] WTT/WTB Tested and Working Fluke 9010a Tape Deck References: <87afc96094d02ea48326f180b6c8829d@localhost> Message-ID: <4CF562D5325342CA84D2DA6CFEA9C55E@dyn.us.ad.ntta.com> Well, nevermind on this I guess. I was able to finally get this tape deck to read tapes, but it still doesn't write - but that's not important. I think I can fix that anyway. By the way - here is the replacement phototransistor I used. It fits and works perfectly. http://sensing.honeywell.com/index.cfm?ci_id=140301&la_id=1&pr_id=132852 Newark has them. This is for detecting end of tape. I didn't reallize this before, but you have to solder these very carefully and quickly without too much heat otherwise you'll ruin them. I'm still trying to find alternatives for the playwheel rings that go bad overtime. I'll order some O-rings soon that I think will work. Also, I was able to get my Airlink 101 USB to Serial adapter working with the Fluke9010a under Windows XP so I don't have to use my super old laptop anymore. I'm not sure how many people actually care about getting their Fluke 9010a Tape decks working, but figured I'd share what I find. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Rossiter" To: "Technical Tools Mail List" Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: [Techtoolslist] WTT/WTB Tested and Working Fluke 9010a Tape Deck > > > I'm getting tired of trying to fix this Fluke 9010a Tape Deck that I > have. Does anyone have a working spare Tape Deck that they are willing to > sell or trade? I have some extra probes and other things. I'd at least > like > to know that it's not the troubleshooter itself. Thanks! Matt > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > From barry2 at shilmover.com Tue May 26 21:10:07 2009 From: barry2 at shilmover.com (barry2 at shilmover.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:10:07 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Help troubleshooting a 9010A Message-ID: <14716678.94871243386607439.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> I been having trouble posting to the group... trying again. I have 2 non-working 9010A units. On both they beep once, LEDs flash, then nothing. Hooked up a working 9010A that I borrowed (thanks David). Bus tests fine. RAM returns the following: R/W ERR @ C000 BTS 08 - LOOP? Manual states: If a RAM failure occurs, carefully examine the diagnostic message. The RAM Test is usually sufficient for deducing the failed component directly. It then does not explain how to read the message. :-) I am new to this, so be kind if its a stupid question. I deduced that there is a Read/Write error at C000. How do I "deduce" the failed component? Barry From barry2 at shilmover.com Tue May 26 21:41:10 2009 From: barry2 at shilmover.com (barry2 at shilmover.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:41:10 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Help troubleshooting a 9010A Message-ID: <1207529.121471243388470489.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Hooked up the 2nd 9010A. It returns: R/W ERR @ C000 BTS 12 - LOOP? Barry ---------------------- I been having trouble posting to the group... trying again. I have 2 non-working 9010A units. On both they beep once, LEDs flash, then nothing. Hooked up a working 9010A that I borrowed (thanks David). Bus tests fine. RAM returns the following: R/W ERR @ C000 BTS 08 - LOOP? Manual states: If a RAM failure occurs, carefully examine the diagnostic message. The RAM Test is usually sufficient for deducing the failed component directly. It then does not explain how to read the message. :-) I am new to this, so be kind if its a stupid question. I deduced that there is a Read/Write error at C000. How do I "deduce" the failed component? Barry _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From Corey at Stup.net Tue May 26 22:03:23 2009 From: Corey at Stup.net (Corey Stup) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:03:23 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Help troubleshooting a 9010A In-Reply-To: <14716678.94871243386607439.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> References: <14716678.94871243386607439.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Message-ID: <4A1C9F6B.7080400@Stup.net> > I deduced that there is a Read/Write error at C000. How do I "deduce" the failed component? > The 9010A service manual has a section (starts in section 4-44) on using another 9010A to repair a malfunctioning 9010A. Copies of them are on the techtools archive or http://www.gamearchive.com/General/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9010A_serv.pdf C000 starts the address range for RAM. From barry2 at shilmover.com Tue May 26 22:13:03 2009 From: barry2 at shilmover.com (barry2 at shilmover.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:13:03 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Help troubleshooting a 9010A Message-ID: <20939397.7271243390383347.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Corey, That's the method and manual I am using. I dont see in the manual how to deduce the failed component. It simply states taht RAM is C000-FFFF. Also, for ROM, it only has signatures for up to rev 2A. Mine is 3A, anyone know the ROM signatures? B > I deduced that there is a Read/Write error at C000. How do I "deduce" the failed component? > The 9010A service manual has a section (starts in section 4-44) on using another 9010A to repair a malfunctioning 9010A. Copies of them are on the techtools archive or http://www.gamearchive.com/General/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9010A_serv.pdf C000 starts the address range for RAM. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From matt at rossiters.com Wed May 27 01:18:04 2009 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:18:04 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Help troubleshooting a 9010A In-Reply-To: <1207529.121471243388470489.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> References: <1207529.121471243388470489.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Message-ID: <88351125641c03da1150b7148be38b5a@localhost> Some of the Fluke 9010a's (mine for example) might be different than these schematics, but you can look here on pdf page 137. http://arcarc.xmission.com/Test%20Equipment/Fluke/9010A%20Base/9010A%20Service%20Manual.pdf You should know how to convert Hex to Binary. HEX-08 -> D7=0 D6=0 D5=0 D4=0 D3=1 D2=0 D1=0 D0=0 If it's reporting BTS 8 is failing - then check the 4116 ram chip responsible for D3 - which is at locate U12. If BTS 12 are failing, it means D3 and D2 are stuck. So check U11 and U12 or their buffers. Matt On Tue, 26 May 2009 21:41:10 -0400, barry2 at shilmover.com wrote: > Hooked up the 2nd 9010A. It returns: > > R/W ERR @ C000 BTS 12 - LOOP? > > Barry > > ---------------------- > > I been having trouble posting to the group... trying again. > > I have 2 non-working 9010A units. On both they beep once, LEDs flash, then > > nothing. > > Hooked up a working 9010A that I borrowed (thanks David). Bus tests fine. > RAM > returns the following: > > R/W ERR @ C000 BTS 08 - LOOP? > > Manual states: > If a RAM failure occurs, carefully examine the diagnostic message. The RAM > > Test is usually sufficient for deducing the failed component directly. > > It then does not explain how to read the message. :-) I am new to this, > so be > kind if its a stupid question. > > I deduced that there is a Read/Write error at C000. How do I "deduce" the > failed component? > > Barry > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From matt at rossiters.com Wed May 27 01:21:50 2009 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 22:21:50 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Help troubleshooting a 9010A In-Reply-To: <88351125641c03da1150b7148be38b5a@localhost> References: <1207529.121471243388470489.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <88351125641c03da1150b7148be38b5a@localhost> Message-ID: I meant PDF page 131 Matt On Tue, 26 May 2009 22:18:04 -0700, Matt Rossiter wrote: > Some of the Fluke 9010a's (mine for example) might be different than these > schematics, but you can look here on pdf page 137. > http://arcarc.xmission.com/Test%20Equipment/Fluke/9010A%20Base/9010A%20Service%20Manual.pdf > > You should know how to convert Hex to Binary. > HEX-08 -> D7=0 D6=0 D5=0 D4=0 D3=1 D2=0 D1=0 D0=0 > > If it's reporting BTS 8 is failing - then check the 4116 ram chip > responsible for D3 - which is at locate U12. > > If BTS 12 are failing, it means D3 and D2 are stuck. So check U11 and U12 > or their buffers. > > Matt > > On Tue, 26 May 2009 21:41:10 -0400, barry2 at shilmover.com wrote: >> Hooked up the 2nd 9010A. It returns: >> >> R/W ERR @ C000 BTS 12 - LOOP? >> >> Barry >> >> ---------------------- >> >> I been having trouble posting to the group... trying again. >> >> I have 2 non-working 9010A units. On both they beep once, LEDs flash, > then >> >> nothing. >> >> Hooked up a working 9010A that I borrowed (thanks David). Bus tests > fine. >> RAM >> returns the following: >> >> R/W ERR @ C000 BTS 08 - LOOP? >> >> Manual states: >> If a RAM failure occurs, carefully examine the diagnostic message. The > RAM >> >> Test is usually sufficient for deducing the failed component directly. >> >> It then does not explain how to read the message. :-) I am new to this, >> so be >> kind if its a stupid question. >> >> I deduced that there is a Read/Write error at C000. How do I "deduce" > the >> failed component? >> >> Barry >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From barry2 at shilmover.com Wed May 27 01:55:16 2009 From: barry2 at shilmover.com (barry2 at shilmover.com) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:55:16 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Help troubleshooting a 9010A Message-ID: <16365473.127101243403716179.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Matt, That is exactly the info I am looking for. I started to read this manual in more detail and was moving in this direction, but this clarifies it all. Thank you! Barry -------------------- Some of the Fluke 9010a's (mine for example) might be different than these schematics, but you can look here on pdf page 137. http://arcarc.xmission.com/Test%20Equipment/Fluke/9010A%20Base/9010A%20Service%2 0Manual.pdf You should know how to convert Hex to Binary. HEX-08 -> D7=0 D6=0 D5=0 D4=0 D3=1 D2=0 D1=0 D0=0 If it's reporting BTS 8 is failing - then check the 4116 ram chip responsible for D3 - which is at locate U12. If BTS 12 are failing, it means D3 and D2 are stuck. So check U11 and U12 or their buffers. Matt On Tue, 26 May 2009 21:41:10 -0400, barry2 at shilmover.com wrote: > Hooked up the 2nd 9010A. It returns: > > R/W ERR @ C000 BTS 12 - LOOP? > > Barry > > ---------------------- > > I been having trouble posting to the group... trying again. > > I have 2 non-working 9010A units. On both they beep once, LEDs flash, then > > nothing. > > Hooked up a working 9010A that I borrowed (thanks David). Bus tests fine. > RAM > returns the following: > > R/W ERR @ C000 BTS 08 - LOOP? > > Manual states: > If a RAM failure occurs, carefully examine the diagnostic message. The RAM > > Test is usually sufficient for deducing the failed component directly. > > It then does not explain how to read the message. :-) I am new to this, > so be > kind if its a stupid question. > > I deduced that there is a Read/Write error at C000. How do I "deduce" the > failed component? > > Barry > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From wkarkula at comcast.net Wed May 27 21:48:04 2009 From: wkarkula at comcast.net (Bill Karkula) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:48:04 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Metcal Desolder Tip Trade? Message-ID: Any Metcal users interested in a one for one trade? I have SDC-704s and SDC-705s and am looking for 3 or 4 SDC-703s in trade. Thanks! Bill From barry2 at shilmover.com Wed May 27 23:19:35 2009 From: barry2 at shilmover.com (barry2 at shilmover.com) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:19:35 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Help troubleshooting a 9010A Message-ID: <18576625.101591243480775411.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> So I got both systems working, on to the next problem. The display on one is missing a few of the lines (mostly the bottom right ones). any idea where to start? The other, the display flashes random characters and beeps. Thing that ticks me off is that it was mostly working (one character was dim) and I unplugged the connector thinking the power was off. What damage did I do? Barry I meant PDF page 131 Matt On Tue, 26 May 2009 22:18:04 -0700, Matt Rossiter wrote: > Some of the Fluke 9010a's (mine for example) might be different than these > schematics, but you can look here on pdf page 137. > http://arcarc.xmission.com/Test%20Equipment/Fluke/9010A%20Base/9010A%20Service%2 0Manual.pdf > > You should know how to convert Hex to Binary. > HEX-08 -> D7=0 D6=0 D5=0 D4=0 D3=1 D2=0 D1=0 D0=0 > > If it's reporting BTS 8 is failing - then check the 4116 ram chip > responsible for D3 - which is at locate U12. > > If BTS 12 are failing, it means D3 and D2 are stuck. So check U11 and U12 > or their buffers. > > Matt > > On Tue, 26 May 2009 21:41:10 -0400, barry2 at shilmover.com wrote: >> Hooked up the 2nd 9010A. It returns: >> >> R/W ERR @ C000 BTS 12 - LOOP? >> >> Barry >> >> ---------------------- >> >> I been having trouble posting to the group... trying again. >> >> I have 2 non-working 9010A units. On both they beep once, LEDs flash, > then >> >> nothing. >> >> Hooked up a working 9010A that I borrowed (thanks David). Bus tests > fine. >> RAM >> returns the following: >> >> R/W ERR @ C000 BTS 08 - LOOP? >> >> Manual states: >> If a RAM failure occurs, carefully examine the diagnostic message. The > RAM >> >> Test is usually sufficient for deducing the failed component directly. >> >> It then does not explain how to read the message. :-) I am new to this, >> so be >> kind if its a stupid question. >> >> I deduced that there is a Read/Write error at C000. How do I "deduce" > the >> failed component? >> >> Barry >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From barry2 at shilmover.com Thu May 28 01:03:53 2009 From: barry2 at shilmover.com (barry2 at shilmover.com) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 01:03:53 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Help troubleshooting a 9010A Message-ID: <7735950.111431243487030069.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Okay, Been working on the units and I am finally getting somewhere. - I blew U1 on the Display board.? Anyone know what chip this is?? (its the large 40-pin chip)? Marking:? P8041A 1210 8423 535419 Intel '77 I confirmed that this was the issue by swapping it out between the displays. Display 1: - Missing the bottom right segment on all digits (I believe its segment 'c' according?to the schematic, Figure 8-3).? Any idea what would cause this? Display 2: - 10th character sometimes disappears, sometimes is faded, sometimes is fine.? I traced that this is controlled by U4 (pin 11) and U8 (pins 2 & 17).??I can replace both, but which is the most likely problem?? Anyone know where I can get U8 (UDN6118A) chips? Thanks for the help so far. Barry --------------------------------- So?I?got?both?systems?working,?on?to?the?next?problem. ? ? The?display?on?one?is?missing?a?few?of?the?lines?(mostly?the?bottom?right? ? ones).??any?idea?where?to?start? ? ? The?other,?the?display?flashes?random?characters?and?beeps.??Thing?that?ticks? ? me?off?is?that?it?was?mostly?working?(one?character?was?dim)?and?I?unplugged? ? the?connector?thinking?the?power?was?off.??What?damage?did?I?do? ? ? Barry ? ? I?meant?PDF?page?131 ? ? Matt ? ? On?Tue,?26?May?2009?22:18:04?-0700,?Matt?Rossiter? ? wrote: ? >?Some?of?the?Fluke?9010a's?(mine?for?example)?might?be?different?than ? these ? >?schematics,?but?you?can?look?here?on?pdf?page?137. ? > ? http://arcarc.xmission.com/Test%20Equipment/Fluke/9010A%20Base/9010A%20Service%2 ? ? 0Manual.pdf ? >? ? >?You?should?know?how?to?convert?Hex?to?Binary. ? >?HEX-08?->?D7=0?D6=0?D5=0?D4=0?D3=1?D2=0?D1=0?D0=0 ? >? ? >?If?it's?reporting?BTS?8?is?failing?-?then?check?the?4116?ram?chip ? >?responsible?for?D3?-?which?is?at?locate?U12. ? >? ? >?If?BTS?12?are?failing,?it?means?D3?and?D2?are?stuck.??So?check?U11?and ? U12 ? >?or?their?buffers. ? >? ? >?Matt ? >? ? >?On?Tue,?26?May?2009?21:41:10?-0400,?barry2 at shilmover.com?wrote: ? >>?Hooked?up?the?2nd?9010A.??It?returns: ? >>? ? >>?R/W?ERR?@?C000?BTS?12?-?LOOP?? ? >>? ? >>?Barry ? >>? ? >>?---------------------- ? >>? ? >>?I?been?having?trouble?posting?to?the?group...??trying?again. ? >>? ? >>?I?have?2?non-working?9010A?units.??On?both?they?beep?once,?LEDs?flash, ? >?then ? >>? ? >>?nothing. ? >>? ? >>?Hooked?up?a?working?9010A?that?I?borrowed?(thanks?David).??Bus?tests ? >?fine.? ? >>?RAM? ? >>?returns?the?following: ? >>? ? >>?R/W?ERR?@?C000?BTS?08?-?LOOP? ? >>? ? >>?Manual?states: ? >>?If?a?RAM?failure?occurs,?carefully?examine?the?diagnostic?message.??The ? >?RAM ? >>? ? >>?Test?is?usually?sufficient?for?deducing?the?failed?component?directly. ? >>? ? >>?It?then?does?not?explain?how?to?read?the?message.??:-)??I?am?new?to ? this, ? >>?so?be? ? >>?kind?if?its?a?stupid?question. ? >>? ? >>?I?deduced?that?there?is?a?Read/Write?error?at?C000.??How?do?I?"deduce" ? >?the? ? >>?failed?component? ? >>? ? >>?Barry ? >>?_______________________________________________ ? >>?Techtoolslist?mailing?list ? >>?Techtoolslist at flippers.com ? >>?http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ? >>?FTP?site?is:?ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment ? >>?Archive?site:?http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ ? >>?_______________________________________________ ? >>?Techtoolslist?mailing?list ? >>?Techtoolslist at flippers.com ? >>?http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ? >>?FTP?site?is:?ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment ? >>?Archive?site:?http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ ? >?_______________________________________________ ? >?Techtoolslist?mailing?list ? >?Techtoolslist at flippers.com ? >?http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ? >?FTP?site?is:?ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment ? >?Archive?site:?http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ ? _______________________________________________ ? Techtoolslist?mailing?list ? Techtoolslist at flippers.com ? http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ? FTP?site?is:?ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment ? Archive?site:?http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ ? _______________________________________________ ? Techtoolslist?mailing?list ? Techtoolslist at flippers.com ? http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ? FTP?site?is:?ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment ? Archive?site:?http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From c.cowgill at comcast.net Thu May 28 03:23:40 2009 From: c.cowgill at comcast.net (Clay Cowgill) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:23:40 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Help troubleshooting a 9010A In-Reply-To: <7735950.111431243487030069.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Message-ID: > Been working on the units and I am finally getting somewhere. > - I blew U1 on the Display board.? Anyone know what chip this > is?? (its the large 40-pin chip)? Marking: P8041A 1210 > 8423 > 535419 > Intel '77 > I confirmed that this was the issue by swapping it out > between the displays. Intel 8041 microcontroller... It's a mask ROM part, IIRC (I think the 8741 was an EPROM version). It's similar to the 8048, both of which were predecessors to the ubiquitous 8051... (MCS-51 family vs. the MCS-48 family) Unless someone has managed to extract the code and you can locate an 8741 to program it on to, you're probably stuck with just swapping in one from another unit. (At some point, maybe getting that particular MCU decapped to preserve the ROM would be a good idea...) > Display 2: > - 10th character sometimes disappears, sometimes is faded, > sometimes is fine.? I traced that this is controlled by U4 > (pin 11) and U8 (pins 2 & 17).??I can replace both, but which > is the most likely problem?? Anyone know where I can get U8 > (UDN6118A) chips? Allegro and Sprague used to make those... You could steal some off of an old Williams pinball VFD driver board, or just type "UDN6118" in on eBay and there will be some there. -Clay From matt at rossiters.com Thu May 28 03:32:07 2009 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 00:32:07 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Help troubleshooting a 9010A In-Reply-To: <7735950.111431243487030069.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> References: <7735950.111431243487030069.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Message-ID: <1c351c0a4c8f865c2dfca008ba40a67e@localhost> That P8041a is none other than your friendly neighborhood Programmable Microcontroller. http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/fluke/Intel-8041A.pdf You can replace that with an 8742 but it needs to be programmed. I don't recommend the 8741 replacement since they seem to be slower than the 8041A and don't function very well - at least that was my experience with replacing the 8041a on the Tape Drive. I put the rom image here. http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/fluke/Fluke-9010a-Display-Rom.BIN If you don't have a programmer that can do these let me know privately. I would dig around the internet, including ebay for the UDN6118A chips. Unicornelectrics carries the 8742. Matt On Thu, 28 May 2009 01:03:53 -0400, barry2 at shilmover.com wrote: > Okay, > Been working on the units and I am finally getting somewhere. > - I blew U1 on the Display board.? Anyone know what chip this is?? (its the > large 40-pin chip)? Marking:? > P8041A 1210 > 8423 > 535419 > Intel '77 > I confirmed that this was the issue by swapping it out between the > displays. > > Display 1: > - Missing the bottom right segment on all digits (I believe its segment 'c' > according?to the schematic, Figure 8-3).? Any idea what would cause this? > > Display 2: > - 10th character sometimes disappears, sometimes is faded, sometimes is > fine.? I traced that this is controlled by U4 (pin 11) and U8 (pins 2 & > 17).??I can replace both, but which is the most likely problem?? Anyone > know where I can get U8 (UDN6118A) chips? > > Thanks for the help so far. > > Barry > > --------------------------------- > So?I?got?both?systems?working,?on?to?the?next?problem. ? > ? > The?display?on?one?is?missing?a?few?of?the?lines?(mostly?the?bottom?right? > ? > ones).??any?idea?where?to?start? ? > ? > The?other,?the?display?flashes?random?characters?and?beeps.??Thing?that?ticks? > ? > me?off?is?that?it?was?mostly?working?(one?character?was?dim)?and?I?unplugged? > ? > the?connector?thinking?the?power?was?off.??What?damage?did?I?do? ? > ? > Barry ? > ? > I?meant?PDF?page?131 ? > ? > Matt ? > ? > On?Tue,?26?May?2009?22:18:04?-0700,?Matt?Rossiter? ? > wrote: ? >>?Some?of?the?Fluke?9010a's?(mine?for?example)?might?be?different?than ? > these ? >>?schematics,?but?you?can?look?here?on?pdf?page?137. ? >> ? > http://arcarc.xmission.com/Test%20Equipment/Fluke/9010A%20Base/9010A%20Service%2 > ? > ? > 0Manual.pdf ? >>? ? >>?You?should?know?how?to?convert?Hex?to?Binary. ? >>?HEX-08?->?D7=0?D6=0?D5=0?D4=0?D3=1?D2=0?D1=0?D0=0 ? >>? ? >>?If?it's?reporting?BTS?8?is?failing?-?then?check?the?4116?ram?chip ? >>?responsible?for?D3?-?which?is?at?locate?U12. ? >>? ? >>?If?BTS?12?are?failing,?it?means?D3?and?D2?are?stuck.??So?check?U11?and ? > U12 ? >>?or?their?buffers. ? >>? ? >>?Matt ? >>? ? >>?On?Tue,?26?May?2009?21:41:10?-0400,?barry2 at shilmover.com?wrote: ? >>>?Hooked?up?the?2nd?9010A.??It?returns: ? >>>? ? >>>?R/W?ERR?@?C000?BTS?12?-?LOOP?? ? >>>? ? >>>?Barry ? >>>? ? >>>?---------------------- ? >>>? ? >>>?I?been?having?trouble?posting?to?the?group...??trying?again. ? >>>? ? >>>?I?have?2?non-working?9010A?units.??On?both?they?beep?once,?LEDs?flash, ? >>?then ? >>>? ? >>>?nothing. ? >>>? ? >>>?Hooked?up?a?working?9010A?that?I?borrowed?(thanks?David).??Bus?tests ? >>?fine.? ? >>>?RAM? ? >>>?returns?the?following: ? >>>? ? >>>?R/W?ERR?@?C000?BTS?08?-?LOOP? ? >>>? ? >>>?Manual?states: ? >>>?If?a?RAM?failure?occurs,?carefully?examine?the?diagnostic?message.??The >>>? >>?RAM ? >>>? ? >>>?Test?is?usually?sufficient?for?deducing?the?failed?component?directly. ? >>>? ? >>>?It?then?does?not?explain?how?to?read?the?message.??:-)??I?am?new?to ? > this, ? >>>?so?be? ? >>>?kind?if?its?a?stupid?question. ? >>>? ? >>>?I?deduced?that?there?is?a?Read/Write?error?at?C000.??How?do?I?"deduce" ? >>?the? ? >>>?failed?component? ? >>>? ? >>>?Barry ? >>>?_______________________________________________ ? >>>?Techtoolslist?mailing?list ? >>>?Techtoolslist at flippers.com ? >>>?http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ? >>>?FTP?site?is:?ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment ? >>>?Archive?site:?http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ ? >>>?_______________________________________________ ? >>>?Techtoolslist?mailing?list ? >>>?Techtoolslist at flippers.com ? >>>?http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ? >>>?FTP?site?is:?ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment ? >>>?Archive?site:?http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ ? >>?_______________________________________________ ? >>?Techtoolslist?mailing?list ? >>?Techtoolslist at flippers.com ? >>?http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ? >>?FTP?site?is:?ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment ? >>?Archive?site:?http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ ? > _______________________________________________ ? > Techtoolslist?mailing?list ? > Techtoolslist at flippers.com ? > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ? > FTP?site?is:?ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment ? > Archive?site:?http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ ? > _______________________________________________ ? > Techtoolslist?mailing?list ? > Techtoolslist at flippers.com ? > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ? > FTP?site?is:?ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment ? > Archive?site:?http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From barry2 at shilmover.com Thu May 28 10:47:28 2009 From: barry2 at shilmover.com (barry2 at shilmover.com) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 10:47:28 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Help troubleshooting a 9010A Message-ID: <26659740.166601243522048469.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Thanks Clay, Much appreciated (you coming to the show in 2 weeks?) Barry > Been working on the units and I am finally getting somewhere. > - I blew U1 on the Display board.? Anyone know what chip this > is?? (its the large 40-pin chip)? Marking: P8041A 1210 > 8423 > 535419 > Intel '77 > I confirmed that this was the issue by swapping it out > between the displays. Intel 8041 microcontroller... It's a mask ROM part, IIRC (I think the 8741 was an EPROM version). It's similar to the 8048, both of which were predecessors to the ubiquitous 8051... (MCS-51 family vs. the MCS-48 family) Unless someone has managed to extract the code and you can locate an 8741 to program it on to, you're probably stuck with just swapping in one from another unit. (At some point, maybe getting that particular MCU decapped to preserve the ROM would be a good idea...) > Display 2: > - 10th character sometimes disappears, sometimes is faded, > sometimes is fine.? I traced that this is controlled by U4 > (pin 11) and U8 (pins 2 & 17).??I can replace both, but which > is the most likely problem?? Anyone know where I can get U8 > (UDN6118A) chips? Allegro and Sprague used to make those... You could steal some off of an old Williams pinball VFD driver board, or just type "UDN6118" in on eBay and there will be some there. -Clay _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From matt at rossiters.com Thu May 28 11:28:16 2009 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:28:16 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Help troubleshooting a 9010A In-Reply-To: <1c351c0a4c8f865c2dfca008ba40a67e@localhost> References: <7735950.111431243487030069.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <1c351c0a4c8f865c2dfca008ba40a67e@localhost> Message-ID: <19e17e7310725dd0be5dee462899d7c3@localhost> I looked at one of my spare 9010a tape modules this morning and noticed it's using an Intel 8741a - so I could be partially wrong that you shouldn't replace 8041a's with 8741a's. The set I bought off ebay just wouldn't operate even though I could program them and they tested ok. Just to be safe I would still go with something a little faster. :) Matt On Thu, 28 May 2009 00:32:07 -0700, Matt Rossiter wrote: > That P8041a is none other than your friendly neighborhood Programmable > Microcontroller. > http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/fluke/Intel-8041A.pdf > > You can replace that with an 8742 but it needs to be programmed. I don't > recommend the 8741 replacement since they seem to be slower than the 8041A > and don't function very well - at least that was my experience with > replacing the 8041a on the Tape Drive. > > I put the rom image here. > http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/fluke/Fluke-9010a-Display-Rom.BIN If > you don't have a programmer that can do these let me know privately. > > I would dig around the internet, including ebay for the UDN6118A chips. > Unicornelectrics carries the 8742. > > Matt > > > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 01:03:53 -0400, barry2 at shilmover.com wrote: >> Okay, >> Been working on the units and I am finally getting somewhere. >> - I blew U1 on the Display board.? Anyone know what chip this is?? (its > the >> large 40-pin chip)? Marking:? >> P8041A 1210 >> 8423 >> 535419 >> Intel '77 >> I confirmed that this was the issue by swapping it out between the >> displays. >> >> Display 1: >> - Missing the bottom right segment on all digits (I believe its segment > 'c' >> according?to the schematic, Figure 8-3).? Any idea what would cause this? >> >> Display 2: >> - 10th character sometimes disappears, sometimes is faded, sometimes is >> fine.? I traced that this is controlled by U4 (pin 11) and U8 (pins 2 & >> 17).??I can replace both, but which is the most likely problem?? Anyone >> know where I can get U8 (UDN6118A) chips? >> >> Thanks for the help so far. >> >> Barry >> >> --------------------------------- >> So?I?got?both?systems?working,?on?to?the?next?problem. ? >> ? >> > The?display?on?one?is?missing?a?few?of?the?lines?(mostly?the?bottom?right? >> ? >> ones).??any?idea?where?to?start? ? >> ? >> > The?other,?the?display?flashes?random?characters?and?beeps.??Thing?that?ticks? >> ? >> > me?off?is?that?it?was?mostly?working?(one?character?was?dim)?and?I?unplugged? >> ? >> the?connector?thinking?the?power?was?off.??What?damage?did?I?do? ? >> ? >> Barry ? >> ? >> I?meant?PDF?page?131 ? >> ? >> Matt ? >> ? >> On?Tue,?26?May?2009?22:18:04?-0700,?Matt?Rossiter? ? >> wrote: ? >>>?Some?of?the?Fluke?9010a's?(mine?for?example)?might?be?different?than ? >> these ? >>>?schematics,?but?you?can?look?here?on?pdf?page?137. ? >>> ? >> > http://arcarc.xmission.com/Test%20Equipment/Fluke/9010A%20Base/9010A%20Service%2 >> ? >> ? >> 0Manual.pdf ? >>>? ? >>>?You?should?know?how?to?convert?Hex?to?Binary. ? >>>?HEX-08?->?D7=0?D6=0?D5=0?D4=0?D3=1?D2=0?D1=0?D0=0 ? >>>? ? >>>?If?it's?reporting?BTS?8?is?failing?-?then?check?the?4116?ram?chip ? >>>?responsible?for?D3?-?which?is?at?locate?U12. ? >>>? ? >>>?If?BTS?12?are?failing,?it?means?D3?and?D2?are?stuck.??So?check?U11?and ? >> U12 ? >>>?or?their?buffers. ? >>>? ? >>>?Matt ? >>>? ? >>>?On?Tue,?26?May?2009?21:41:10?-0400,?barry2 at shilmover.com?wrote: ? >>>>?Hooked?up?the?2nd?9010A.??It?returns: ? >>>>? ? >>>>?R/W?ERR?@?C000?BTS?12?-?LOOP?? ? >>>>? ? >>>>?Barry ? >>>>? ? >>>>?---------------------- ? >>>>? ? >>>>?I?been?having?trouble?posting?to?the?group...??trying?again. ? >>>>? ? >>>>?I?have?2?non-working?9010A?units.??On?both?they?beep?once,?LEDs?flash, > ? >>>?then ? >>>>? ? >>>>?nothing. ? >>>>? ? >>>>?Hooked?up?a?working?9010A?that?I?borrowed?(thanks?David).??Bus?tests ? >>>?fine.? ? >>>>?RAM? ? >>>>?returns?the?following: ? >>>>? ? >>>>?R/W?ERR?@?C000?BTS?08?-?LOOP? ? >>>>? ? >>>>?Manual?states: ? >>>>?If?a?RAM?failure?occurs,?carefully?examine?the?diagnostic?message.??The >>>>? >>>?RAM ? >>>>? ? >>>>?Test?is?usually?sufficient?for?deducing?the?failed?component?directly. > ? >>>>? ? >>>>?It?then?does?not?explain?how?to?read?the?message.??:-)??I?am?new?to ? >> this, ? >>>>?so?be? ? >>>>?kind?if?its?a?stupid?question. ? >>>>? ? >>>>?I?deduced?that?there?is?a?Read/Write?error?at?C000.??How?do?I?"deduce" > ? >>>?the? ? >>>>?failed?component? ? >>>>? ? >>>>?Barry ? >>>>?_______________________________________________ ? >>>>?Techtoolslist?mailing?list ? >>>>?Techtoolslist at flippers.com ? >>>>?http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ? >>>>?FTP?site?is:?ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment ? >>>>?Archive?site:?http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ ? >>>>?_______________________________________________ ? >>>>?Techtoolslist?mailing?list ? >>>>?Techtoolslist at flippers.com ? >>>>?http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ? >>>>?FTP?site?is:?ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment ? >>>>?Archive?site:?http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ ? >>>?_______________________________________________ ? >>>?Techtoolslist?mailing?list ? >>>?Techtoolslist at flippers.com ? >>>?http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ? >>>?FTP?site?is:?ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment ? >>>?Archive?site:?http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ ? >> _______________________________________________ ? >> Techtoolslist?mailing?list ? >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com ? >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ? >> FTP?site?is:?ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment ? >> Archive?site:?http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ ? >> _______________________________________________ ? >> Techtoolslist?mailing?list ? >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com ? >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist ? >> FTP?site?is:?ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment ? >> Archive?site:?http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From barry2 at shilmover.com Sun May 31 19:23:27 2009 From: barry2 at shilmover.com (barry2 at shilmover.com) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:23:27 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] UDN6118A vs UDN6118P Message-ID: <14769245.863511243812207189.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> All, I found some old Williams display boards with UDN6118P chips on them. I could not find a pdf for them. what are the differences between the A and P chips? Are they interchangeable? Barry ---------------- I meant PDF page 131 Matt On Tue, 26 May 2009 22:18:04 -0700, Matt Rossiter wrote: > Some of the Fluke 9010a's (mine for example) might be different than these > schematics, but you can look here on pdf page 137. > http://arcarc.xmission.com/Test%20Equipment/Fluke/9010A%20Base/9010A%20Service%2 0Manual.pdf > > You should know how to convert Hex to Binary. > HEX-08 -> D7=0 D6=0 D5=0 D4=0 D3=1 D2=0 D1=0 D0=0 > > If it's reporting BTS 8 is failing - then check the 4116 ram chip > responsible for D3 - which is at locate U12. > > If BTS 12 are failing, it means D3 and D2 are stuck. So check U11 and U12 > or their buffers. > > Matt > > On Tue, 26 May 2009 21:41:10 -0400, barry2 at shilmover.com wrote: >> Hooked up the 2nd 9010A. It returns: >> >> R/W ERR @ C000 BTS 12 - LOOP? >> >> Barry >> >> ---------------------- >> >> I been having trouble posting to the group... trying again. >> >> I have 2 non-working 9010A units. On both they beep once, LEDs flash, > then >> >> nothing. >> >> Hooked up a working 9010A that I borrowed (thanks David). Bus tests > fine. >> RAM >> returns the following: >> >> R/W ERR @ C000 BTS 08 - LOOP? >> >> Manual states: >> If a RAM failure occurs, carefully examine the diagnostic message. The > RAM >> >> Test is usually sufficient for deducing the failed component directly. >> >> It then does not explain how to read the message. :-) I am new to this, >> so be >> kind if its a stupid question. >> >> I deduced that there is a Read/Write error at C000. How do I "deduce" > the >> failed component? >> >> Barry >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From rlboots at cedar-rapids.net Sun May 31 20:50:40 2009 From: rlboots at cedar-rapids.net (Rodger Boots) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:50:40 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] UDN6118A vs UDN6118P In-Reply-To: <14769245.863511243812207189.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> References: <14769245.863511243812207189.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Message-ID: <4A2325E0.6050006@cedar-rapids.net> Usually an "N" or "P" suffix means the package is a plastic DIP. For Allegro (used to be Sprague) parts the "A" means plastic DIP---for anyone else would have meant improved part. barry2 at shilmover.com wrote: > All, > > I found some old Williams display boards with UDN6118P chips on them. I could not find a pdf for them. > > what are the differences between the A and P chips? Are they interchangeable? > > Barry > > ---------------- > > I meant PDF page 131 > > Matt > > On Tue, 26 May 2009 22:18:04 -0700, Matt Rossiter > wrote: > >> Some of the Fluke 9010a's (mine for example) might be different than >> > these > >> schematics, but you can look here on pdf page 137. >> >> > http://arcarc.xmission.com/Test%20Equipment/Fluke/9010A%20Base/9010A%20Service%2 > 0Manual.pdf > >> You should know how to convert Hex to Binary. >> HEX-08 -> D7=0 D6=0 D5=0 D4=0 D3=1 D2=0 D1=0 D0=0 >> >> If it's reporting BTS 8 is failing - then check the 4116 ram chip >> responsible for D3 - which is at locate U12. >> >> If BTS 12 are failing, it means D3 and D2 are stuck. So check U11 and >> > U12 > >> or their buffers. >> >> Matt >> >> On Tue, 26 May 2009 21:41:10 -0400, barry2 at shilmover.com wrote: >> >>> Hooked up the 2nd 9010A. It returns: >>> >>> R/W ERR @ C000 BTS 12 - LOOP? >>> >>> Barry >>> >>> ---------------------- >>> >>> I been having trouble posting to the group... trying again. >>> >>> I have 2 non-working 9010A units. On both they beep once, LEDs flash, >>> >> then >> >>> nothing. >>> >>> Hooked up a working 9010A that I borrowed (thanks David). Bus tests >>> >> fine. >> >>> RAM >>> returns the following: >>> >>> R/W ERR @ C000 BTS 08 - LOOP? >>> >>> Manual states: >>> If a RAM failure occurs, carefully examine the diagnostic message. The >>> >> RAM >> >>> Test is usually sufficient for deducing the failed component directly. >>> >>> It then does not explain how to read the message. :-) I am new to >>> > this, > >>> so be >>> kind if its a stupid question. >>> >>> I deduced that there is a Read/Write error at C000. How do I "deduce" >>> >> the >> >>> failed component? >>> >>> Barry >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > From matt at rossiters.com Mon Jun 1 15:34:09 2009 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:34:09 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] UDN6118A vs UDN6118P In-Reply-To: <4A2325E0.6050006@cedar-rapids.net> References: <14769245.863511243812207189.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <4A2325E0.6050006@cedar-rapids.net> Message-ID: My Fluke 9010a display has 6118P. Matt On Sun, 31 May 2009 19:50:40 -0500, Rodger Boots wrote: > Usually an "N" or "P" suffix means the package is a plastic DIP. For > Allegro (used to be Sprague) parts the "A" means plastic DIP---for > anyone else would have meant improved part. > > > barry2 at shilmover.com wrote: >> All, >> >> I found some old Williams display boards with UDN6118P chips on them. I >> could not find a pdf for them. >> >> what are the differences between the A and P chips? Are they >> interchangeable? >> >> Barry >> >> ---------------- >> >> I meant PDF page 131 >> >> Matt >> >> On Tue, 26 May 2009 22:18:04 -0700, Matt Rossiter >> wrote: >> >>> Some of the Fluke 9010a's (mine for example) might be different than >>> >> these >> >>> schematics, but you can look here on pdf page 137. >>> >>> >> http://arcarc.xmission.com/Test%20Equipment/Fluke/9010A%20Base/9010A%20Service%2 >> 0Manual.pdf >> >>> You should know how to convert Hex to Binary. >>> HEX-08 -> D7=0 D6=0 D5=0 D4=0 D3=1 D2=0 D1=0 D0=0 >>> >>> If it's reporting BTS 8 is failing - then check the 4116 ram chip >>> responsible for D3 - which is at locate U12. >>> >>> If BTS 12 are failing, it means D3 and D2 are stuck. So check U11 and >>> >> U12 >> >>> or their buffers. >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> On Tue, 26 May 2009 21:41:10 -0400, barry2 at shilmover.com wrote: >>> >>>> Hooked up the 2nd 9010A. It returns: >>>> >>>> R/W ERR @ C000 BTS 12 - LOOP? >>>> >>>> Barry >>>> >>>> ---------------------- >>>> >>>> I been having trouble posting to the group... trying again. >>>> >>>> I have 2 non-working 9010A units. On both they beep once, LEDs flash, >>>> >>> then >>> >>>> nothing. >>>> >>>> Hooked up a working 9010A that I borrowed (thanks David). Bus tests >>>> >>> fine. >>> >>>> RAM >>>> returns the following: >>>> >>>> R/W ERR @ C000 BTS 08 - LOOP? >>>> >>>> Manual states: >>>> If a RAM failure occurs, carefully examine the diagnostic message. The >>>> >>> RAM >>> >>>> Test is usually sufficient for deducing the failed component directly. >>>> >>>> It then does not explain how to read the message. :-) I am new to >>>> >> this, >> >>>> so be >>>> kind if its a stupid question. >>>> >>>> I deduced that there is a Read/Write error at C000. How do I "deduce" >>>> >>> the >>> >>>> failed component? >>>> >>>> Barry >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>>> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >>>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>>> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >>>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From ajcrm125 at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 15:28:50 2009 From: ajcrm125 at gmail.com (Adam Courchesne) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:28:50 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Wierd behavior with simple Fluke script Message-ID: <7fcc300906021228x676630d2yb55ffbb51f70f23c@mail.gmail.com> I made a simple block write script so I can write blocks of data to video memory to make it easier for me to find shorted/floating bit lines etc. The weird thing is, as soon as execute it and it finishes I can no longer write to video memory. For example, if reset a given PCB, see garbage on the screen and execute my scrip, writing all 0's to video memory, the screen is wiped clean. (As expected) Then if I try to write values to video mem to place a sprite at a given location ... no luck. Leave the game on.. reset the fluke... and try the same write again, and it works. So something in the script is putting the Fluke into a weird state. Any idea what could be causing this? Here's the script: SETUP TRAP ACTIVE FORCE LINE NO TRAP ACTIVE INTERRUPT NO PROGRAM MAIN DPY-# DPY-BLOCK WRITE PROGRAM EX DELAY ! Get start and end addresses DPY-START ADDRESS = /1 DPY-END ADDRESS = /2 DPY-DATA = /3 DPY-WRITING DATA# WRITE @ REG1 = REG3 WLOOP: WRITE @ REGF INC = REG3 ! DPY-WRITING $3 AT $F ! EX DELAY IF REG2 > REGF GOTO WLOOP DPY-END OF PROGRAM# !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! DELAY ROUTINE PROGRAM DELAY REG1=40 0: DEC REG1 IF REG1 >0 GOTO 0 Thanks for any insight, -- -Adam "Please don't judge my God by my inability to follow him" - Chris Mollins =============== www.onecircuit.com www.youtube.com/user/ajcrm125 =============== From wh.sudbrink at verizon.net Mon Jun 8 11:41:39 2009 From: wh.sudbrink at verizon.net (Bill Sudbrink) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:41:39 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Wanted: Arium ML4100 options Message-ID: I have an ML4100 that has and is serving me well. I have most of the various pods and ROMs for it and duplicates of many of them. Two things I'm missing (based on my reading of the documents) are an RE-016 ROM emulator (with RS-232 interface) and an AB-032 non-volatile memory. Anybody have either of these that they might be convinced part with for trade or cash? Non-working would be fine. I enjoy troubleshooting. Alternatively, any explanations of why they are not very useful or worth having at all would also be of interest. Thanks, Bill Sudbrink From wh.sudbrink at verizon.net Mon Jun 8 11:29:21 2009 From: wh.sudbrink at verizon.net (Bill Sudbrink) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:29:21 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer... Message-ID: I'm new to the list. I collect and repair/restore 8-bit microcomputers from the 1970's. I'm considering picking up one of the Willem EPROM programmers that seem to always be available on ebay for pretty cheap. I've gone through the list archives and see that there was a discussion on this subject several years ago but it didn't really come to any firm conclusion. My main use for this tool would be to program 2716s and 2732s. One of the tables in one of the ebay pages suggests that the device can test 6116 static RAMs which would also be useful. I have two concerns: 1) All of the ebay pages emphasize all of the new chips that these gizmos support. Has the "legacy" chip support been lost? 2) Whenever old programmers in good shape come up for auction, they go for a lot more than the "buy-it-now" on these Willems. Why? Thanks, Bill Sudbrink From wkarkula at comcast.net Mon Jun 8 22:24:16 2009 From: wkarkula at comcast.net (wkarkula at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 02:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1656268189.1954791244514256128.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'd get a Data I/O 29B for the old stuff and a willem for the new stuff. Matches the era of programmer with the era of chips you want to program. There are software patches for the dos Data I/O PROMLINK program that allow it to run on a win XP computer and also a usb to serial converter for computers without a serial port. Others will chime in I'm sure. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sudbrink" To: "Techtools List" Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:29:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer... I'm new to the list. I collect and repair/restore 8-bit microcomputers from the 1970's. I'm considering picking up one of the Willem EPROM programmers that seem to always be available on ebay for pretty cheap. I've gone through the list archives and see that there was a discussion on this subject several years ago but it didn't really come to any firm conclusion. My main use for this tool would be to program 2716s and 2732s. One of the tables in one of the ebay pages suggests that the device can test 6116 static RAMs which would also be useful. I have two concerns: 1) All of the ebay pages emphasize all of the new chips that these gizmos support. Has the "legacy" chip support been lost? 2) Whenever old programmers in good shape come up for auction, they go for a lot more than the "buy-it-now" on these Willems. Why? Thanks, Bill Sudbrink _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From arcadeforever at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 23:33:40 2009 From: arcadeforever at gmail.com (Arcadeforever) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:33:40 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer... In-Reply-To: <1656268189.1954791244514256128.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1656268189.1954791244514256128.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <9e9ac7880906082033k2ea42b52kbff5cce4397f8a1a@mail.gmail.com> Yup, agreed, thats my setup, a laptop with XP, software from Mike's Arcade, serial to USB and the DATA I/O 29B. AF On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 22:24, wrote: > I'd get a Data I/O 29B for the old stuff and a willem for the new stuff. > Matches the era of programmer with the era of chips you want to program. > > There are software patches for the dos Data I/O PROMLINK program that allow > it to run on a win XP computer and also a usb to serial converter for > computers without a serial port. > > Others will chime in I'm sure. > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Sudbrink" > To: "Techtools List" > Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:29:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer... > > I'm new to the list. I collect and repair/restore > 8-bit microcomputers from the 1970's. I'm considering > picking up one of the Willem EPROM programmers that > seem to always be available on ebay for pretty cheap. > I've gone through the list archives and see that there > was a discussion on this subject several years ago but > it didn't really come to any firm conclusion. My main > use for this tool would be to program 2716s and 2732s. > One of the tables in one of the ebay pages suggests > that the device can test 6116 static RAMs which would > also be useful. I have two concerns: > > 1) All of the ebay pages emphasize all of the new chips > that these gizmos support. Has the "legacy" chip > support been lost? > > 2) Whenever old programmers in good shape come up for > auction, they go for a lot more than the "buy-it-now" > on these Willems. Why? > > Thanks, > Bill Sudbrink > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > -- Wayne Moore AIM: VE3ZXR SKYPE: arcadeforever ebay:arcadeforever_org From matt at rossiters.com Tue Jun 9 02:08:09 2009 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:08:09 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer... In-Reply-To: <9e9ac7880906082033k2ea42b52kbff5cce4397f8a1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1656268189.1954791244514256128.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <9e9ac7880906082033k2ea42b52kbff5cce4397f8a1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: What Serial to USB adapter do you guys use? When I try to upload a file to the Data I/O 29B it times out while waiting for a response from the programmer. I've tried several different settings with no luck using the Airlink101. Matt On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:33:40 -0400, Arcadeforever wrote: > Yup, agreed, thats my setup, a laptop with XP, software from Mike's Arcade, > serial to USB and the DATA I/O 29B. > > AF > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 22:24, wrote: > >> I'd get a Data I/O 29B for the old stuff and a willem for the new stuff. >> Matches the era of programmer with the era of chips you want to program. >> >> There are software patches for the dos Data I/O PROMLINK program that >> allow >> it to run on a win XP computer and also a usb to serial converter for >> computers without a serial port. >> >> Others will chime in I'm sure. >> >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill Sudbrink" >> To: "Techtools List" >> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:29:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >> Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer... >> >> I'm new to the list. I collect and repair/restore >> 8-bit microcomputers from the 1970's. I'm considering >> picking up one of the Willem EPROM programmers that >> seem to always be available on ebay for pretty cheap. >> I've gone through the list archives and see that there >> was a discussion on this subject several years ago but >> it didn't really come to any firm conclusion. My main >> use for this tool would be to program 2716s and 2732s. >> One of the tables in one of the ebay pages suggests >> that the device can test 6116 static RAMs which would >> also be useful. I have two concerns: >> >> 1) All of the ebay pages emphasize all of the new chips >> that these gizmos support. Has the "legacy" chip >> support been lost? >> >> 2) Whenever old programmers in good shape come up for >> auction, they go for a lot more than the "buy-it-now" >> on these Willems. Why? >> >> Thanks, >> Bill Sudbrink >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> From jack.rubin at ameritech.net Tue Jun 9 07:34:43 2009 From: jack.rubin at ameritech.net (Jack Rubin) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 06:34:43 -0500 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <44179809C20448CCA9D5C3FBDF437964@obie> Hey Bill, good to see you here. Like most others, I have a Data I/O 29B for most of the older chips. I also have a Data I/O 19 which is capable of doing 1702As, but I only have half of the adapter and doubt I'll ever find the rest of it. I have an Szerlip S100 setup which will do the 1702As if necessary. For newer stuff, I use a GQ Willem model from MCUMall that is fully USB powered and has worked really well for me. If you don't already have a Data I/O unit, I have an offer for you - I have a couple portable units (I _think_ they're Model 60 but they're not immediately at hand so that may be the wrong number) that have failed with RAM errors. Whatever the number, they are essentially 29Bs with multichip adapters. Nice and light, and built into a clamshell case. If you really feel like fixing something, I'll send them both to you for the cost of postage - fix them both, send one back to me and keep the other - best, Jack > -----Original Message----- > From: techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com > [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sudbrink > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 10:29 AM > To: Techtools List > Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer... > > > I'm new to the list. I collect and repair/restore > 8-bit microcomputers from the 1970's. I'm considering > picking up one of the Willem EPROM programmers that > seem to always be available on ebay for pretty cheap. > I've gone through the list archives and see that there > was a discussion on this subject several years ago but > it didn't really come to any firm conclusion. My main > use for this tool would be to program 2716s and 2732s. > One of the tables in one of the ebay pages suggests > that the device can test 6116 static RAMs which would > also be useful. I have two concerns: > > 1) All of the ebay pages emphasize all of the new chips > that these gizmos support. Has the "legacy" chip > support been lost? > > 2) Whenever old programmers in good shape come up for > auction, they go for a lot more than the "buy-it-now" > on these Willems. Why? > > Thanks, > Bill Sudbrink > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.57/2163 - Release > Date: 06/08/09 12:30:00 > From arcadeforever at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 07:32:47 2009 From: arcadeforever at gmail.com (Arcadeforever) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 07:32:47 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer... In-Reply-To: References: <1656268189.1954791244514256128.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <9e9ac7880906082033k2ea42b52kbff5cce4397f8a1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e9ac7880906090432te9d51ecp48814e7e03e36ff3@mail.gmail.com> I do remember that there was one dipswitch that had to be set in the Data I/O to make it into a remote station instead of stand-alone (was it #7??). That and make sure obviously you are hooked up to the right com port and upload using binary. If that still doesnt work feel free contact me directy and I will run you through the settings in mine. AF On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 02:08, Matt Rossiter wrote: > What Serial to USB adapter do you guys use? When I try to upload a file > to the Data I/O 29B it times out while waiting for a response from the > programmer. I've tried several different settings with no luck using the > Airlink101. > > Matt > > On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:33:40 -0400, Arcadeforever > wrote: > > Yup, agreed, thats my setup, a laptop with XP, software from Mike's > Arcade, > > serial to USB and the DATA I/O 29B. > > > > AF > > > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 22:24, wrote: > > > >> I'd get a Data I/O 29B for the old stuff and a willem for the new > stuff. > >> Matches the era of programmer with the era of chips you want to > program. > >> > >> There are software patches for the dos Data I/O PROMLINK program that > >> allow > >> it to run on a win XP computer and also a usb to serial converter for > >> computers without a serial port. > >> > >> Others will chime in I'm sure. > >> > >> Bill > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Bill Sudbrink" > >> To: "Techtools List" > >> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:29:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > >> Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer... > >> > >> I'm new to the list. I collect and repair/restore > >> 8-bit microcomputers from the 1970's. I'm considering > >> picking up one of the Willem EPROM programmers that > >> seem to always be available on ebay for pretty cheap. > >> I've gone through the list archives and see that there > >> was a discussion on this subject several years ago but > >> it didn't really come to any firm conclusion. My main > >> use for this tool would be to program 2716s and 2732s. > >> One of the tables in one of the ebay pages suggests > >> that the device can test 6116 static RAMs which would > >> also be useful. I have two concerns: > >> > >> 1) All of the ebay pages emphasize all of the new chips > >> that these gizmos support. Has the "legacy" chip > >> support been lost? > >> > >> 2) Whenever old programmers in good shape come up for > >> auction, they go for a lot more than the "buy-it-now" > >> on these Willems. Why? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Bill Sudbrink > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Techtoolslist mailing list > >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com > >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Techtoolslist mailing list > >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com > >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > >> > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > -- Wayne Moore AIM: VE3ZXR SKYPE: arcadeforever ebay:arcadeforever_org From martin at guddler.co.uk Tue Jun 9 08:13:55 2009 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:13:55 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer... In-Reply-To: <9e9ac7880906090432te9d51ecp48814e7e03e36ff3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1656268189.1954791244514256128.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <9e9ac7880906082033k2ea42b52kbff5cce4397f8a1a@mail.gmail.com> <9e9ac7880906090432te9d51ecp48814e7e03e36ff3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19116.82.69.85.211.1244549635.squirrel@guddler.co.uk> I successfully use a USB->Serial adapter within OS X and Windows XP that is unbranded but contains the "Prolific" chipset. I would therefore recommend any adapter based on that. I use the Data I/O 29B with that. That's the easy bit. The difficult bit is that very few manufacturers actually let you know what's in their units prior to you buying them so it's a bit hit and miss. I need to go through this exercise myself really as 1 adapter isn't enough for my needs so I could do with another. Martin. > I do remember that there was one dipswitch that had to be set in the Data > I/O to make it into a remote station instead of stand-alone (was it #7??). > That and make sure obviously you are hooked up to the right com port and > upload using binary. > > If that still doesnt work feel free contact me directy and I will run you > through the settings in mine. > > AF > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 02:08, Matt Rossiter wrote: > >> What Serial to USB adapter do you guys use? When I try to upload a file >> to the Data I/O 29B it times out while waiting for a response from the >> programmer. I've tried several different settings with no luck using >> the >> Airlink101. >> >> Matt >> >> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:33:40 -0400, Arcadeforever >> >> wrote: >> > Yup, agreed, thats my setup, a laptop with XP, software from Mike's >> Arcade, >> > serial to USB and the DATA I/O 29B. >> > >> > AF >> > >> > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 22:24, wrote: >> > >> >> I'd get a Data I/O 29B for the old stuff and a willem for the new >> stuff. >> >> Matches the era of programmer with the era of chips you want to >> program. >> >> >> >> There are software patches for the dos Data I/O PROMLINK program that >> >> allow >> >> it to run on a win XP computer and also a usb to serial converter for >> >> computers without a serial port. >> >> >> >> Others will chime in I'm sure. >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Bill Sudbrink" >> >> To: "Techtools List" >> >> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:29:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >> >> Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer... >> >> >> >> I'm new to the list. I collect and repair/restore >> >> 8-bit microcomputers from the 1970's. I'm considering >> >> picking up one of the Willem EPROM programmers that >> >> seem to always be available on ebay for pretty cheap. >> >> I've gone through the list archives and see that there >> >> was a discussion on this subject several years ago but >> >> it didn't really come to any firm conclusion. My main >> >> use for this tool would be to program 2716s and 2732s. >> >> One of the tables in one of the ebay pages suggests >> >> that the device can test 6116 static RAMs which would >> >> also be useful. I have two concerns: >> >> >> >> 1) All of the ebay pages emphasize all of the new chips >> >> that these gizmos support. Has the "legacy" chip >> >> support been lost? >> >> >> >> 2) Whenever old programmers in good shape come up for >> >> auction, they go for a lot more than the "buy-it-now" >> >> on these Willems. Why? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bill Sudbrink >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> > > > > -- > Wayne Moore > > AIM: VE3ZXR > SKYPE: arcadeforever > ebay:arcadeforever_org > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > From martin at guddler.co.uk Tue Jun 9 08:24:11 2009 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:24:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer... In-Reply-To: <19116.82.69.85.211.1244549635.squirrel@guddler.co.uk> References: <1656268189.1954791244514256128.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <9e9ac7880906082033k2ea42b52kbff5cce4397f8a1a@mail.gmail.com> <9e9ac7880906090432te9d51ecp48814e7e03e36ff3@mail.gmail.com> <19116.82.69.85.211.1244549635.squirrel@guddler.co.uk> Message-ID: <13726.82.69.85.211.1244550251.squirrel@guddler.co.uk> Just to further clarify, this is the one I have (and I've just ordered another!): http://www.amazon.co.uk/Serial-adapter-converter-connect-printer/dp/B000L0UDQA I didn't expect to find it quite that easily :) Sorry for the UK link. Couldn't spot the same one on Amazon US. Martin. > I successfully use a USB->Serial adapter within OS X and Windows XP that > is unbranded but contains the "Prolific" chipset. I would therefore > recommend any adapter based on that. I use the Data I/O 29B with that. > > That's the easy bit. The difficult bit is that very few manufacturers > actually let you know what's in their units prior to you buying them so > it's a bit hit and miss. > > I need to go through this exercise myself really as 1 adapter isn't enough > for my needs so I could do with another. > > Martin. > >> I do remember that there was one dipswitch that had to be set in the >> Data >> I/O to make it into a remote station instead of stand-alone (was it >> #7??). >> That and make sure obviously you are hooked up to the right com port and >> upload using binary. >> >> If that still doesnt work feel free contact me directy and I will run >> you >> through the settings in mine. >> >> AF >> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 02:08, Matt Rossiter wrote: >> >>> What Serial to USB adapter do you guys use? When I try to upload a >>> file >>> to the Data I/O 29B it times out while waiting for a response from the >>> programmer. I've tried several different settings with no luck using >>> the >>> Airlink101. >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:33:40 -0400, Arcadeforever >>> >>> wrote: >>> > Yup, agreed, thats my setup, a laptop with XP, software from Mike's >>> Arcade, >>> > serial to USB and the DATA I/O 29B. >>> > >>> > AF >>> > >>> > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 22:24, wrote: >>> > >>> >> I'd get a Data I/O 29B for the old stuff and a willem for the new >>> stuff. >>> >> Matches the era of programmer with the era of chips you want to >>> program. >>> >> >>> >> There are software patches for the dos Data I/O PROMLINK program >>> that >>> >> allow >>> >> it to run on a win XP computer and also a usb to serial converter >>> for >>> >> computers without a serial port. >>> >> >>> >> Others will chime in I'm sure. >>> >> >>> >> Bill >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: "Bill Sudbrink" >>> >> To: "Techtools List" >>> >> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:29:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >>> >> Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer... >>> >> >>> >> I'm new to the list. I collect and repair/restore >>> >> 8-bit microcomputers from the 1970's. I'm considering >>> >> picking up one of the Willem EPROM programmers that >>> >> seem to always be available on ebay for pretty cheap. >>> >> I've gone through the list archives and see that there >>> >> was a discussion on this subject several years ago but >>> >> it didn't really come to any firm conclusion. My main >>> >> use for this tool would be to program 2716s and 2732s. >>> >> One of the tables in one of the ebay pages suggests >>> >> that the device can test 6116 static RAMs which would >>> >> also be useful. I have two concerns: >>> >> >>> >> 1) All of the ebay pages emphasize all of the new chips >>> >> that these gizmos support. Has the "legacy" chip >>> >> support been lost? >>> >> >>> >> 2) Whenever old programmers in good shape come up for >>> >> auction, they go for a lot more than the "buy-it-now" >>> >> on these Willems. Why? >>> >> >>> >> Thanks, >>> >> Bill Sudbrink >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Techtoolslist mailing list >>> >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>> >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >>> >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Techtoolslist mailing list >>> >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>> >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >>> >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Wayne Moore >> >> AIM: VE3ZXR >> SKYPE: arcadeforever >> ebay:arcadeforever_org >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist at flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > From wh.sudbrink at verizon.net Fri Jun 12 08:38:23 2009 From: wh.sudbrink at verizon.net (Bill Sudbrink) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:38:23 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Repost: Wanted: Arium ML4100 options Message-ID: Reposting this because I didn't get a single reply on or off list. Did it in fact make it to the list the first time? --------------------------------------------------- I have an ML4100 that has and is serving me well. I have most of the various pods and ROMs for it and duplicates of many of them. Two things I'm missing (based on my reading of the documents) are an RE-016 ROM emulator (with RS-232 interface) and an AB-032 non-volatile memory. Anybody have either of these that they might be convinced part with for trade or cash? Non-working would be fine. I enjoy troubleshooting. Alternatively, any explanations of why they are not very useful or worth having at all would also be of interest. Thanks, Bill Sudbrink From wh.sudbrink at verizon.net Fri Jun 12 17:05:39 2009 From: wh.sudbrink at verizon.net (Bill Sudbrink) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:05:39 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Repost: Wanted: Arium ML4100 options Message-ID: Pat Danis wrote: > > Yeah, it made it. Pretty obscure equipment. Well, it has been mentioned on this list before. Also, the guy that "owns" filppers.com (that hosts this list) posted usenet (google groups) wanted messages about the ML4100 as recently as 2002. flippers.com doesn't make any mention of the ML4100 now, so I was hoping maybe John Robertson might be willing to part with some of what he collected. Does he read this list? Bill Sudbrink From kmahan at xmission.com Fri Jun 12 19:19:42 2009 From: kmahan at xmission.com (Kurt Mahan) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:19:42 -0600 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Repost: Wanted: Arium ML4100 options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A32E28E.8040208@xmission.com> Bill Sudbrink wrote: > Pat Danis wrote: > >> Yeah, it made it. Pretty obscure equipment. >> > > Well, it has been mentioned on this list before. Also, > the guy that "owns" filppers.com (that hosts this list) > posted usenet (google groups) wanted messages about the > ML4100 as recently as 2002. flippers.com doesn't make > any mention of the ML4100 now, so I was hoping maybe John > Robertson might be willing to part with some of what he > collected. Does he read this list? > So where are you located? --Kurt From wh.sudbrink at verizon.net Fri Jun 12 20:00:34 2009 From: wh.sudbrink at verizon.net (Bill Sudbrink) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:00:34 -0400 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Repost: Wanted: Arium ML4100 options In-Reply-To: <4A32E28E.8040208@xmission.com> Message-ID: Kurt Mahan wrote: > So where are you located? Maryland, just outside of Washington, DC. I went ahead and ordered one of those Willem EPROM programmers off of ebay, by the way. The latest design with a trim pot to control VPP. From matt at rossiters.com Mon Jun 15 15:17:44 2009 From: matt at rossiters.com (Matt Rossiter) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:17:44 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O 29B with USB to Serial Adapter Message-ID: <4d811aa27d062e885e6d6f4137cb5e6a@localhost> Hi Everybody, I posted earlier about having issues with sending a file to the Data I/O 29B programmer with an Airlink101 USB to Serial Adapter. It would hang while waiting for a response from the programmer and never finish. Well, someone told me he had success with the Trendnet TU-S9 adapter. I got one off of Amazon.com and sure enough this one works. Out of curiosity, I wondered if after installing the Trendnet drivers if the Airlink101 would work. Amazingly enough now both adapters work! So if anyone is having the same problem as I had - I'd be interested to know if installing this driver here [1] fixes your problem also. Matt Links: ------ [1] http://www.trendnet.com/asp/download_manager/list_subcategory.asp?SUBTYPE_ID=571 From martin at guddler.co.uk Mon Jun 15 15:33:05 2009 From: martin at guddler.co.uk (martin at guddler.co.uk) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:33:05 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Techtoolslist] Data I/O 29B with USB to Serial Adapter In-Reply-To: <4d811aa27d062e885e6d6f4137cb5e6a@localhost> References: <4d811aa27d062e885e6d6f4137cb5e6a@localhost> Message-ID: <45887.82.69.85.211.1245094385.squirrel@webmail.guddler.co.uk> Thanks Matt, I shall be giving that a go a bit later this evening. In true Amazon market place style, I ordered one of the adapters I linked to last week and it turned up very quickly for less than a fiver. Of course it wasn't the one pictured (I guess they assume it's a USB to Serial so who cares!) and sure enough it doesn't work with Mac. Sadly it doesn't work with Windows 7 either :( Will see if your link helps me :) Martin. > Hi Everybody, I posted earlier about having issues with sending a file > to the Data I/O 29B programmer with an Airlink101 USB to Serial Adapter. > It > would hang while waiting for a response from the programmer and never > finish. Well, someone told me he had success with the Trendnet TU-S9 > adapter. I got one off of Amazon.com and sure enough this one works. Out > of > curiosity, I wondered if after installing the Trendnet drivers if the > Airlink101 would work. Amazingly enough now both adapters work! So if > anyone is having the same problem as I had - I'd be interested to know if > installing this driver here [1] fixes your problem also. > Matt > > Links: > ------ > [1] > http://www.trendnet.com/asp/download_manager/list_subcategory.asp?SUBTYPE_ID=571 > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > From andy at andysarcade.net Thu Jun 25 12:18:51 2009 From: andy at andysarcade.net (andy at andysarcade.net) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:18:51 +0100 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Some test rigs i picked up recently... Message-ID: <01C808E1177B4642A73CAC9B4ECCEC89@workshop> hi all.. Here are some interesting ancient test rigs i picked up recently : http://www.andysarcade.net/pix/newtestrigs/ Atari RAM/ROM tester - Got from the USA with an original manual, untested so far, but it goes nicely with my CTF-1 :) Atari PBS-1 - Comes with switch matrix unit and Light matrix/power supply unit, some crushed connectors, but should be a worker. Sorry John, i got no cards at all to go with this :| have you got any at all? Atari Superman Pinball testrig - This looks like it might be a prototype, it is so well put together, who knows? It came from the main Atari distributer for Atari in the UK in the early 80's - MHG, so the provenance is good. Kurz-Kasch - Signature II, very early signature analyser, nice neat little box. I actually have 4 of these, drop me a line if you're interested in one! (switchable line voltage 110/240) Very surpisingly, everything but the ram/rom tester was obtained in the UK, and was used here in the UK 'back in the day'. Gotta love all those twinkling lights. Andrew Welburn www.andys-arcade.com From joemagiera at ameritech.net Thu Jun 25 13:47:07 2009 From: joemagiera at ameritech.net (Joseph Magiera) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Techtoolslist] Some test rigs i picked up recently... Message-ID: <54179.96181.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Andy, ? Great haul.? So, on the RAM/ROM tester, immediate first question that came to my mind, can it test the multiple-voltage RAM, like 4116's? Joe --- On Thu, 6/25/09, andy at andysarcade.net wrote: From: andy at andysarcade.net Subject: [Techtoolslist] Some test rigs i picked up recently... To: "TechToolsList" Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 11:18 AM hi all.. Here are some interesting ancient test rigs i picked up recently : http://www.andysarcade.net/pix/newtestrigs/ Atari RAM/ROM tester - Got from the USA with an original manual, untested? so far, but it goes nicely with my CTF-1 :) Atari PBS-1 - Comes with switch matrix unit and Light matrix/power supply unit, some crushed connectors, but should be a worker. Sorry John, i got no cards at all to go with this :| have you got any at all? Atari Superman Pinball testrig - This looks like it might be a prototype, it is so well put together, who knows? It came from the main Atari distributer for Atari in the UK in the early 80's - MHG, so the provenance is good. Kurz-Kasch - Signature II, very early signature analyser, nice neat little box. I actually have 4 of these, drop me a line if you're interested in one! (switchable line voltage 110/240) Very surpisingly, everything but the ram/rom tester was obtained in the UK, and was used here in the UK 'back in the day'. Gotta love all those twinkling lights. Andrew Welburn www.andys-arcade.com _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From andy at andysarcade.net Thu Jun 25 14:06:32 2009 From: andy at andysarcade.net (andy at andysarcade.net) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:06:32 +0100 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Some test rigs i picked up recently... References: <54179.96181.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Its for plugging into the game pcb itself and running tests in-circuit, so the voltage of the ram is irrelevant. If you were thinking the sockets on it were for ram you'd be wrong, they are for testing proms. Theoretically you could plug this into a missile command pcb and test the 4116 ram on it :) Its a bit like a primitive cat-box, you can read/write addresses, but it doesn't use intuitive 7-segment displays (and its not a signature analyser), its all about the flashy LEDs. Andrew Welburn www.andys-arcade.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Magiera" To: "Technical Tools Mail List" Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Some test rigs i picked up recently... Hey Andy, Great haul. So, on the RAM/ROM tester, immediate first question that came to my mind, can it test the multiple-voltage RAM, like 4116's? Joe --- On Thu, 6/25/09, andy at andysarcade.net wrote: From: andy at andysarcade.net Subject: [Techtoolslist] Some test rigs i picked up recently... To: "TechToolsList" Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 11:18 AM hi all.. Here are some interesting ancient test rigs i picked up recently : http://www.andysarcade.net/pix/newtestrigs/ Atari RAM/ROM tester - Got from the USA with an original manual, untested so far, but it goes nicely with my CTF-1 :) Atari PBS-1 - Comes with switch matrix unit and Light matrix/power supply unit, some crushed connectors, but should be a worker. Sorry John, i got no cards at all to go with this :| have you got any at all? Atari Superman Pinball testrig - This looks like it might be a prototype, it is so well put together, who knows? It came from the main Atari distributer for Atari in the UK in the early 80's - MHG, so the provenance is good. Kurz-Kasch - Signature II, very early signature analyser, nice neat little box. I actually have 4 of these, drop me a line if you're interested in one! (switchable line voltage 110/240) Very surpisingly, everything but the ram/rom tester was obtained in the UK, and was used here in the UK 'back in the day'. Gotta love all those twinkling lights. Andrew Welburn www.andys-arcade.com _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist at flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From inbox at phillipeaton.com Thu Jun 25 14:40:18 2009 From: inbox at phillipeaton.com (Phillip Eaton) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:40:18 +0200 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Some test rigs i picked up recently... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I love all that old dev gear. All the production machines you see that come out of Atari were finished articles, with artwork and manuals and clean PCBs etc, but it's nice to see that they were hacking around with all the old muck and bullets when designing them :-) Phil > --- On Thu, 6/25/09, andy at andysarcade.net wrote: > > > From: andy at andysarcade.net > Subject: [Techtoolslist] Some test rigs i picked up recently... > To: "TechToolsList" > Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 11:18 AM > > > hi all.. > > Here are some interesting ancient test rigs i picked up recently : > > http://www.andysarcade.net/pix/newtestrigs/ > > Atari RAM/ROM tester - Got from the USA with an original manual, > untested so > far, but it goes nicely with my CTF-1 :) > > Atari PBS-1 - Comes with switch matrix unit and Light matrix/power supply > unit, some crushed connectors, but should be a worker. Sorry > John, i got no > cards at all to go with this :| have you got any at all? > > Atari Superman Pinball testrig - This looks like it might be a > prototype, it > is so well put together, who knows? It came from the main Atari > distributer > for Atari in the UK in the early 80's - MHG, so the provenance is good. > > Kurz-Kasch - Signature II, very early signature analyser, nice > neat little > box. I actually have 4 of these, drop me a line if you're > interested in one! > (switchable line voltage 110/240) > > Very surpisingly, everything but the ram/rom tester was obtained > in the UK, > and was used here in the UK 'back in the day'. > > Gotta love all those twinkling lights. > > Andrew Welburn > www.andys-arcade.com > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist at flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ From jrr at flippers.com Thu Jun 25 15:34:35 2009 From: jrr at flippers.com (John Robertson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:34:35 -0700 Subject: [Techtoolslist] Some test rigs i picked up recently... In-Reply-To: <01C808E1177B4642A73CAC9B4ECCEC89@workshop> References: <01C808E1177B4642A73CAC9B4ECCEC89@workshop> Message-ID: <4A43D14B.6040201@flippers.com> andy at andysarcade.net wrote: > hi all.. > > Here are some interesting ancient test rigs i picked up recently : > > http://www.andysarcade.net/pix/newtestrigs/ > > Atari RAM/ROM tester - Got from the USA with an original manual, untested so far, but it goes nicely with my CTF-1 :) > > Atari PBS-1 - Comes with switch matrix unit and Light matrix/power supply unit, some crushed connectors, but should be a worker. Sorry John, i got no cards at all to go with this :| have you got any at all? > > Atari Superman Pinball testrig - This looks like it might be a prototype, it is so well put together, who knows? It came from the main Atari distributer for Atari in the UK in the early 80's - MHG, so the provenance is good. > > Kurz-Kasch - Signature II, very early signature analyser, nice neat little box. I actually have 4 of these, drop me a line if you're interested in one! (switchable line voltage 110/240) > > Very surpisingly, everything but the ram/rom tester was obtained in the UK, and was used here in the UK 'back in the day'. > > Gotta love all those twinkling lights. > > Andrew Welburn > www.andys-arcade.com > I took a dead Atari pinball board and wired it so I could test the Superman and Hercules boards on my PBS-1. Works fine, and no, still have not found any cards for the sucker. I have made a few templates for the PBS-1 that I will scan and post so folks can make their own cards - just have to get around to doing that! I too have a few of the KK sig boxes - they probably work, but I find I use the HP signature voltmeter instead - or the Fluke 9010 - just because they are set up on the bench (or trolley). Did you get a manual for the Superman test fixture? Manuals for most of the above are available on either the TTL ftp site or Al Kossow's bitsavers site. http://www.computerhistory.org/staff/Al,Kossow/ http://www.bitsavers.org/ John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" From mail at nessandsteve.plus.com Tue Jun 30 06:29:48 2009 From: mail at nessandsteve.plus.com (mail at nessandsteve.plus.com) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:29:48 +0100 Subject: [Techtoolslist] WTB: DATIO 29b Eprom programmer Message-ID: <5b0c3d4f160d678197f33b21bcb4c6af.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> Hello All, As per the title. I would be needing the logic pack, unipak and Does anyone have one for sale? Or maybe a universal programmer that can do eproms/proms/gals? Cheers Steve