[Techtoolslist] Samdisk looks very promising...

[Andre Huijts]

If anyone could tell me how I can see a directory of a floppy on the 9100 (got my monitor running)  I could check all my other disks to see what I have. 
What I don't have is an official Fluke 6.1 Service disk, maybe one of the handwritten or blank labelled disks has that....

From a friend I got two PCI SCSI cards, one Adaptec AHA-2940 the other Adaptec AVA-2904 which I can install in my PC to make an image of my 9100 Harddrive.  I'll have to figure out about drivers etc. though, it has been quite some time since I worked with SCSI on my Atari ST.

I could drop a note to Fluke Holland to ask if they still can provide a 6.1 Service disk....

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

Op 27 nov. 2012 om 05:00 heeft "David Shoemaker" <davids at oz.net> het volgende geschreven:


> I have a local friend who works at Fluke.  I sent a hail marry mail to him.

> Cross your fingers :)

> 

> David

> 

> -----Original Message-----

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> [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com] On Behalf Of John Robertson

> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:09 PM

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> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Samdisk looks very promising...

> 

> David Shoemaker wrote:

>> Do I need the service disk to format my machine to use 6.1?

> 

> Unfortunately the answer is Yes - you need a unserialized Service Disc 

> for 6.0 or 6.1 to format your drive or CFC card. I don't know if there 

> is a workaround other than a good image from a 6.1 drive - like one I 

> have but haven't gotten around to uploading to TTL yet. You would need 

> to use some image software like Miray's HDClone, or the free(?) Dolly, 

> or similar. OSX folks may be able to use the Disk Utility to make the 

> image, but you will need SCSI if formatting a drive, but you should be 

> able to use one of those USB to IDE adapters otherwise.

> 

> I'm not having any luck yet with using a CF and my SCSI to IDE adapter - 

> which works fine with hard drives, but can't handle the CF for some 

> reason...

> 

> Trying to track a copy of Service 6.1 down. Mucking with the Serialized 

> copy on TTL gives me CRC errors so I can't fix it easily. Looks like 

> each sector is C6Fh in length - not sure where the serial is added 

> though...darn.

> 

> John :-#)#

>> -----Original Message-----

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>> [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces at flippers.com] On Behalf Of John Robertson

>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:20 PM

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>> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Samdisk looks very promising...

>> 

>> Andre Huijts wrote:

>> 

>>> I decided to write back the 6.1 images on my 6.0 floppies because 6.0 is

>> archived and safe anyway.

>> 

>>> I succesfully booted the system but it does show errors during boot up.

>> HOWEVER, this also happens with BOTH of the original 6.1 floppies I have.

>> 

>>> I believe that (at least some) errors are there because of me removing

> the

>> SCSI cable from the HD. Since the interface is still installed (and maybe

>> some dip-switch setting?) I think the 9100 assumes the HD still to be

>> there....

>> 

>>> Anyway, I think Samdisk did a perfect job, the errors are not to blame on

>> the program.

>> 

>>> One question:

>>> 

>>> I still have another set of 6.0 but it has hand-written "9105" on it. I

>> THINK that this was only just to indicate to which system this set was

>> delivered or that it "belonged" to the 9105.

>> 

>>> Can anyone confirm there is no difference between V6.0 for the 9105 and

>> 9100 ?

>> 

>>> I can try to boot from those disks and see if that boots error free.

>>> 

>>> I could make a video of the boot process.

>> I too have had success with SAMdisk - extracted the TTL original 6.1

>> floppies from the zip file and was able to write them to fresh floppies

>> (with errors ignored by SAMdisk) and then able to boot my 9100FT with

> them.

>> 

>> What appears to be serialized is the TTL 9100 6.1 SERVICE disc, these are

>> matched to their machines and I did not work from a backup copy back in

> the

>> early 00s when this discussion was on.

>> 

>> I'm going to look inside that file (HexEdit) to see if the serial spot is

>> obvious or not and if so, try setting it to 0000 or FFFF to see if that

>> clears it.

>> 

>> John :-#)#

>> 

>>> Op 21 nov. 2012, om 19:03 heeft Andre Huijts <a.huijts at upcmail.nl> het

>> volgende geschreven:

>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>>> I just deinstalled the special drivers for Omniflop and rebooted my PC,

>> this automatically reinstalled the default windows drivers for the floppy

>> drive.

>> 

>>>> Then installed the fdrawcmd.sys file and copied Samdisk to my C: root.

>>>> 

>>>> Started a command box and fiddled around with some of the commands.

>>>> 

>>>> I got this info when doing the scan command:

>>>> 

>>>> 83 Cyls, 2 heads:

>>>> 250Kbps MFM, 16 sectors, 256 bytes/'sector

>>>> 

>>>> Then it started a list of what looks like info per track:

>>>> 0.0 0 8 1 9 2 10 3 11 4 12 5 13 6 14 7 15

>>>> 1.0 0 8 1 9 2 10 3 11 4 12 5 13 6 14 7 15

>>>> 

>>>> The first digit is the tracknr., the second the headnr. The other nrs

> are

>> the sector numbers.

>> 

>>>> All tracks show the same info.

>>>> 

>>>> For tracks 80,81,82 it reports <blank> So it looks like the format is 

>>>> 80 tracks.

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> Also did a "view" command and to my amazement I got to see all the bytes

>> in hex and ASCII per sector.....I could read some info that makes sense so

> I

>> guess at least Samdisk is reading the discs correctly.

>> 

>>>> Now making images...

> 

> 

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