[Techtoolslist] Need a new mail-list host for TTL!

[Brad Gass]

I would also be fine with making a contribution toward a list serv annual cost, but I'm not sure how many would be willing to contribute or if as a group we could consistently get to the $220 annual fee?

Although I run several low-volume internet facing services (and have for many years), a list server is one thing I have *not* ever run.  I'm not afraid of delving into it if that is the most viable option, and Mailman 3 actually looks pretty slick in general.

Where / how it's hosted isn't really a problem (I'm becoming increasingly impressed with the value/performance of Hetzner services).  But it is likely a fair bit of work to get setup and going initially, so I think it would need to be much clearer that was going to be the path needed before really digging in deep.

--Brad


----- Original Message -----
From: "William Stillwell" <ki4swy at gmail.com>
To: "jrr" <jrr at flippers.com>, "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist at flippers.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2025 10:34:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Need a new mail-list host for TTL!

That's a lot cheaper then what it costs me to run romident.coinopflorida.com
( $1200/year )

they need to come up with a list server where members pay to be a part of
it, instead of the host trying to recoup costs from members. I would be
happy to pay $5/year to keep this list going.

William Stillwell




On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 10:28 AM John Robertson via Techtoolslist <
techtoolslist at flippers.com> wrote:

> On 2025-09-25 5:28 a.m., William Stillwell wrote:
> > BOOOOOOO....
> >
> > Groups.IO Pricing
> > $0.44/member (min $220/year) billed annually (1 month free)
> >
> > there is also googlegroups ( which is freee... HOWEVER, the caveat is
> > if used for Business ) it's NOT free... unless your a non-profit...
> >
> > How many people are on the list John?
> >
> >
> >
> > groups.io <http://groups.io>
> >
> > William Stillwell
> >
> Yeah, after setting this up way back in Nov 1999 to have it killed off
> now (expiry Jan 1, 2026) is tiresome.
>
> /Over time, the free PairList mailing list program (based on GNU
> Mailman) has become unreliable as most mail hosts now require strict
> email validation standards (SPF, DKIM, DMARC). PairList cannot support
> these features, causing messages to be delayed, marked as spam, or
> rejected. Because of this declining reliability, we believe the service
> no longer meets our standards and will be discontinued./
>
> /PairList has served our users well for many years. While we are sad to
> retire it, we are exploring a more reliable replacement service for the
> future./
>
> We are currently under Mailman 2.1.39
>
> I'm not sure if I'd want to be under Googlegroups - they mine
> everything...the less I give them the happier I am.
>
> We have 172 members, so groups.io would want $220USD/year.
>
> John :-#(#
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 1:45 AM John Robertson via Techtoolslist
> > <techtoolslist at flippers.com> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi folks,
> >
> >     I just got a note from my hosts at Pair.com that they are dropping
> >     mailists and that I need to migrate TTL to another mail list
> >     service...
> >
> >     Anyone have any suggestions?
> >
> >     I could change to groups.io <http://groups.io> I suppose - I would
> >     still maintain the FTP
> >     directory on flippers FTP site.
> >
> >     Anyway, just posting this out there...
> >
> >     John :-#)#
> >
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