[casual_games] Business Models

Wed Aug 31 12:22:08 EDT 2005

George,

The BEST way would, of course, be to volunteer to help with the next
white paper, in which case you would definitely be in the know. The next
best way would be to simply monitor this list, as when the SIG gears up
for another white paper this would be the best place to look for calls
for submissions. 

Is Gamefiesta funding third party game developers' original ideas? I
think that would be required to be listed as a "publisher" as opposed to
developer or portal.

Best,

-John

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From: casual_games-bounces at igda.org
[mailto:casual_games-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf Of George Donovan
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:01 AM
To: 'IGDA Casual Games SIG Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [casual_games] Business Models

John, 
How do we get Gamefiesta listed as a publisher?

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From: casual_games-bounces at igda.org
[mailto:casual_games-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf Of John Welch
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:25 AM
To: IGDA Casual Games SIG Mailing List
Subject: RE: [casual_games] Business Models

Brent,

There's a middle road - work with a publisher who will fund a serious
project (take all of the risk) and give you far more exposure (it's not
just about development) as well as ongoing participation (upside far
better than work-for-hire). Ideas are cheap - execution counts. If you
can do it well once, you can do it better the next time. So, get a
publisher deal and use it to learn the ropes, build your business case,
and get some name recognition in the casual space. If you like what you
see, think about self-funding your next project. Talking from
experience, starting from scratch isn't easy - but once you have some
momentum it's a heck of a lot of fun. 

There aren't many publishers in the casual space, but there are a few of
us, and terms are currently a lot better than "traditional"
developer-publisher contracts. Each publisher has its personality and
benefits, but I don't think you could go wrong with any of them. There's
a list of publishers addressing this space in the SIG's 2005 white
paper: www.igda.org/casual. 

-John W.
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John Welch, President & CEO
PLAY:  www.PlayFirst.com <http://www.playfirst.com/> 
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From: casual_games-bounces at igda.org
[mailto:casual_games-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf Of Brent Lowrie
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:09 AM
To: IGDA Casual Games SIG Mailing List; IGDA Casual Games SIG Mailing
List
Subject: RE: [casual_games] Business Models

See, this is why I joined the IGDA! thanks everyone for the replies. 

It was before I discovered the IGDA and its Casual Games SIG that
researching the industry was difficult. without friends and connections
in the industry, we found getting feedback, let alone, finding answers
to simple questions like the one I posed impossible. I can only
speculate as to the reasons because we never once got a response.
Seriously. Now, we were obviously knocking on the wrong doors and
calling the wrong numbers. Contact-envy aside, I appreciate the
candidness of the members here and find the dialogue refreshing.

Brian, I definitely wish we could commit the time to cranking out a game
a week. If it were our own games, perhaps, although our games tend to be
pretty ambitious. however, our clients just don't move that fast. I
think we actually spend more time waiting for feedback and approvals
than we do in development.

My question was perhaps worded poorly as well. I wasn't just curious
about how to fill our portfolio, but rather how studios are funding
their development and the percentage of IP vs. "work-for-hire" games in
their portfolios. I am building a case for our company executive to
invest heavily in R&D (game engine development as Brian points out and
new technologies like mobile game development) and our own commercial IP
games and I find it's a "cart-before-the-horse" kind of issue in a
publicly-traded company. Rather than a "build it and they will come"
mentality, it is more a "find me a funded project and we'll let you
build it" sort of deal. Your comments are all very interesting. thanks

Its late here so I hope I am not blithering. thanks again for the
insight folks and I look forward to future conversations here and at one
of the many new (and established) conferences. cheers

Brent Lowrie

Games and Animation

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From: casual_games-bounces at igda.org on behalf of Brian Robbins
Sent: Tue 8/30/2005 8:32 PM
To: IGDA Casual Games SIG Mailing List
Subject: RE: [casual_games] Business Models

I agree with Wade on this, the purpose of this group, and the IGDA in
general is to encourage open communication between developers. While on
some
level we're all competitors I hardly see enough head to head competition
to
warrant any kind of over the top secrecy.

Having myself worked both for a tiny casual game developer, and now
growing
the game team at a leading advergame developer, the best way I've seen
to
develop a library of games is to dedicate yourself to doing it. At
CleverMedia we had a long standing production cycle of a new game EVERY
week. We missed a week occasionally for holidays, etc. but for several
years
we released a new game every Thursday. The result is that CleverMedia
now
has one of, if not the, largest 1st party catalogs of games anywhere.

Here at Fuel our strategy is to develop our own games as customizable
and
open as we possibly can. In essence we are not building a game, rather
we
are building a game engine and a game utilizing that engine at the same
time. Once we have a solid engine, and a wicked game developed using it,
we
can leverage both to become profitable. Perhaps one of the best examples
of
this is Laser Envy (http://www.fuelarcade.com/laserenvy/) and another
game
utilizing the same underlying engine we built for MegaBloks
(http://www.megabloks.com/en/kids/dragons/game/fire_and_ice.php).

This can be a bit risky in that it takes a good deal more effort to
build a
game engine than it does to build just a game. However when it works
right
it can be very successful and rewarding for the team and the company.

--
Brian Robbins
Director, Online Gaming
http://www.fuelgames.com/blog/
Chair, IGDA Online Games SIG  & IGDA Casual Games SIG
http://www.igda.org/online/     http://www.igda.org/casual/

-----Original Message-----
From: casual_games-bounces at igda.org
[mailto:casual_games-bounces at igda.org]On
Behalf Of Brent Lowrie
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:44 AM
To: IGDA Casual Games SIG Mailing List
Subject: [casual_games] Business Models

I know this is a topic that many are interested in but few are really
willing to talk about. We are all competitors after all.

We are a relatively small game development group fighting to establish
some
independence within an interactive marketing firm. As the group leader,
I
have been putting together a business plan of sorts and would like to
field
some questions for those established developers with many games in their
portfolio. How did you go about producing so many games? That is, was it
self-funded internal development in the hopes of licensing them? Were
they
games developed for clients that you retained rights too and now offer a
non-branded version for licensing? A combination?

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