[casual_games] languages... (that's an 's' at the end!)

[Chris Williams]

Please allow me to repeat myself...

Regardless, I do agree that casual games need to be as painless as possible.
I don't think .NET is quite there yet for the casual game space. Definitely
by Vista, since it will be an inherent part of the OS, but hopefully
sooner... maybe next year.

You're probably right that the size of the redistributable is an issue for
more folks than I initially acknowledged. I won't argue that, but the fact
is pretty clear that in a couple years (quite possibly less) it won't be
near as much of an issue anymore because the .NET framework is an integral
part of Vista. Yes I know there will still be lots of legacy machines, but
make no mistake, it's coming... If you've never developed in .NET, I can
honestly say you don't know what you're missing. It's a dream come true.

On 10/6/05, Aleksey Linetskiy <aleksey at funostra.com> wrote:
>
> First of all, I think that size DOES matter here. There is still a great
> number of dial-up users - and for them downloading extra 25 megs may become
> a big pain. And then, the mere fact that the game wants to install some
> additional software may turn off many users - for some of them this will
> look like an unknowm program will be istalled on their computer, and others
> may want to keep theis system as clean as possible and wouldn't like to
> install an extra component.
>
>
> This is, by the way, one of the reasons why Java is not a tool of choice
> for casual games.
>
>
> -- Aleksey Linetskiy
>
> -- http://grumpytech.blogspot.com
>
>
>   >
>
> I'm not sure how "obscure" .NET is, and I'm not going to argue that point
> since it's obviously based on whatever you've been exposed to.
>
>  However, I don't see anything "forbidding" about it at all. I write
> installs all the time that bundle the .NET Framework into them and install
> it on demand (if the installer detects that it is missing) without any need
> for user intervention. Even if you have a user install it manually, it's a
> typical Next-Next-Finished wizard. Hardly anything to get worked up over,
> and definitely not a huge barrier.
>
>  The only real issue is the size, and that's not even an issue for the
> majority. Regardless, I do agree that casual games need to be as painless as
> possible. I don't think .NET is quite there yet for the casual game space.
> Definitely by Vista, since it will be an inherent part of the OS, but
> hopefully sooner... maybe next year.
>
>  Chris Williams, MCSD .NET, MCT
>
> Developer - www.HeroicAdventure.com <http://www.HeroicAdventure.com>
>
>
>  On 10/6/05, Hal Barwood <hal at finitearts.com> wrote:
>
> dot-NET? What person, sitting alone at home, has the slightest reason
>
> to install this Windows component? Corporate environments are
>
> different, but requiring customers to install this obscure, forbidding
>
> piece of software is a huge barrier when it doesn't provide any obvious
>
> benefits (unlike, say, DirectX). For downloads, what I want is a small
>
> standalone package that just works no matter what. That's what casual
>
> gaming is all about -- everything must be easy and reliable. --Hal
>
>
> Lionel barret De Nazaris wrote:
>
> > Jonas Beckeman wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> Seems I'm the only one who's gonna stand up for .NET here, so I'd
>
> >> better do
>
> >> it tall...
>
> >>
>
> >> Before I get off on how great it is, let me state some problems that
>
> >> may be
>
> >> enough to make you look in other directions:
>
> >> * .NET games need the .NET framework. The 2.0 beta is 25 MB.
>
> >> * You'll probably want to use Managed DirectX. The distribution model
> is
>
> >> still very unclear to me, I don't know myself how large the add-on is,
> or
>
> >> even how to obtain it without downloading the DirectX SDK
>
> >
>
> > A friend told me that the .Net Framework is included in the XP Service
>
> > Pack 2, if so, the problem of the huge download could be avoided.
>
> > Does anybody could confirm this ? And do we have numbers about the % of
>
> > penetration of XP Service Pack 2 on the machine of the potential players
>
> > ? Well, a percentage of machine with XP Service Pack 2 on the global
>
> > number of windows anyway.
>
> >
>
> > Lionel
>
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>
>
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