[casual_games] Salutations. Seeking Recommendation for an Android/iPhone Game Development Platform for a Multiplayer Card Game...

[Lennard Feddersen]

Phil, Flash has not been awesome for me for a couple of reasons.

1.  AS3 using CS4 I was not able to get a preloader working for Dungeon 
Brawl.  I was able to using Flash Develop but won't use Flash Develop 
for projects of any size - I should go back and try to build a complex 
project using a preloader from the ground up.  Sunk a couple of days 
into it last Fall with no success and hate reading articles that suggest 
that it's a black art.  Did see this the other day which might solve my 
problem:  
http://www.zedia.net/2008/the-right-way-to-do-a-preloader-in-as3/ and 
should put in a few hours to see if that solves my issues before just 
settling on Javascript.

2.  Have you used Air to port to iOS?  If I could find a contractor to 
do the work to port successful games from Flash desktop to iOS then I 
would go that route.

For me, this is the most useful thread I have seen on this mailing list, 
thanks for getting the ball rolling Oscar.

Lennard Feddersen
Owner, Rusty Axe Games,
www.RustyAxe.com
250-635-7623


On 04/08/2011 12:18 PM, Philip Harvey wrote:

> Why do you say flash is not awesome on all platforms? It certainly has 

> better performance than HTML5. Also what is the date the project needs 

> to be completed by? As Flash will support Stage3D on most of these 

> devices by the end of the year.

>

> Phil

>

> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:50 AM, oscar is oscar 

> <oscar.oscar.oscar at gmail.com <mailto:oscar.oscar.oscar at gmail.com>> wrote:

>

>     The client's original request had builds for

>     iOS

>     Android

>     Web

>     Mac

>     and PC (mouthful).

>

>     Now they just want to hit iOS, Android and Web.

>

>     The LAST thing I want to do is make things more complicated for the

>     developer (ALSO reviewing a few candidates)...

>

>     Oh, if ONLY Flash was awesome on ALL platforms... but there's growing

>     consensus that its not the right answer.

>

>     HTML5/JS, wrapped in something like PhoneGap COULD be the answer... as

>     it will work everywhere.

>

>     Unity allows for more than just Mac and PC, there is potential to take

>     it to places like consoles as well...

>

>     So many potential answers... no Silver Bullets.

>

>     On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Jeff Murray

>     <jeff at psychicparrotgames.com <mailto:jeff at psychicparrotgames.com>>

>     wrote:

>     > SpriteManager2 makes it a LOT easier to make 2d games in

>     Unity... that is, a

>     > lot easier than it is to make 2d games in Unity *without*

>     SpriteManager2!

>     > It's still a pretty messy system, tbh. - everything is a

>     workaround at the

>     > end of the day, which means your dev will have to 'workaround' a

>     lot too.

>     > Of course, as Lennard points out, you do get the added value of

>     being able

>     > to transfer to Mac and PC, though. It's never quite as easy as

>     hitting the

>     > 'publish to mac' button, though, as you'll probably have to do

>     some graphic

>     > work to get your graphics and UI to look good at different

>     resolutions and

>     > aspect ratios, but that would be less work than having to pay for

>     > development of a mac or pc version from the ground up, if that's

>     something

>     > you think might happen in the future.

>     > Cheers!

>     > Jeff.

>     >

>     >

>     >

>     > On 2011-08-04, at 2:29 PM, oscar is oscar wrote:

>     >

>     > I've heard some interesting things about SpriteManager2 for easing

>     > some of the 3d to 2d woes in Unity...

>     >

>     > woe is me. Trying to find one bullet to hit three targets. ;)

>     >

>     > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Jeff Murray

>     <jeff at psychicparrotgames.com <mailto:jeff at psychicparrotgames.com>>

>     > wrote:

>     >

>     > Hi!

>     >

>     > Unity is great for 3d, but if your game is 2d, I'd say 'look for

>     another

>     >

>     > engine'!

>     >

>     > Using Unity for a 2d game is a messy and awkward way to develop,

>     since there

>     >

>     > is no 'built-in' method for dealing with 2d sprites.

>     Essentially, the

>     >

>     > process of building a 2d game in Unity is one where you build a

>     3d game,

>     >

>     > with 2d planes 'pretending' to be 2d. There are 3rd party tools

>     out there to

>     >

>     > help, but it's still a messy process.

>     >

>     > You will quite likely end up paying more to have it built in

>     Unity than you

>     >

>     > would by either an objective-C programmer or a programmer who uses a

>     >

>     > dedicated 2d engine, since you're trying to 'bend' a 3d engine

>     into a 2d one

>     >

>     > and that takes some messing around.

>     >

>     > Unity is a fantastic engine, but after having made two 2d games

>     with it - I

>     >

>     > would never recommend doing it that way!

>     >

>     > Good luck with your project!

>     >

>     > Jeff.

>     >

>     >

>     > On 2011-08-04, at 2:04 PM, Lennard Feddersen wrote:

>     >

>     > I've been pondering this question a lot this year.  Unity does look

>     >

>     > compelling except I haven't seen any decent documentation for 2d

>     development

>     >

>     > and I know I don't want to learn a 3d editor for placing assets

>     into a 2d

>     >

>     > game.  If and when I see clean and clear example doc's for 2d

>     Unity work

>     >

>     > that doesn't involve the 3d editor then I'm going to take a

>     month and give

>     >

>     > it a solid try.

>     >

>     > I agree with what has been said earlier about Flash - I bought

>     CS4 and

>     >

>     > learned AS3 for Dungeon Brawl and was definitely surprised at

>     how clunky the

>     >

>     > tool was.  I have also tried the free Flash Develop but prefer

>     the Flash IDE

>     >

>     > because it's faster, the debugger works well enough (just if you

>     are coming

>     >

>     > from a VC++ background and have gotten fat and lazy using that

>     wonderful

>     >

>     > debugger) and you aren't handcuffed into a rigid 1 class per

>     file module,

>     >

>     > where everything has to be in a class methodology (which just

>     drives me

>     >

>     > freakin' nuts).

>     >

>     > Out of curiosity, I'm assuming that you can't use

>     Javascript/HTML and then

>     >

>     > wrap with PhoneGap?

>     >

>     > Lennard Feddersen

>     >

>     > Owner, Rusty Axe Games,

>     >

>     > www.RustyAxe.com <http://www.RustyAxe.com>

>     >

>     > 250-635-7623 <tel:250-635-7623>

>     >

>     >

>     > On 04/08/2011 10:52 AM, oscar is oscar wrote:

>     >

>     > I agree that Unity may be more "gun" than is needed for this fight,

>     >

>     > but the client wants mobile AND web clients. And the popularity of

>     >

>     > Unity leads me to believe that finding the right developer for the

>     >

>     > project's budget will be a bit easier.

>     >

>     > I'm not sold yet on which is the RIGHT platform, yet.

>     >

>     > But damned if Unity isn't looking better and better.

>     >

>     > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Rob C<rcarroll23 at hotmail.com

>     <mailto:rcarroll23 at hotmail.com>>  wrote:

>     >

>     > I’ve worked with developers that have used Marmalade and Moai

>     for their

>     >

>     > mobile platforms and they have been pretty happy with them.

>     >

>     >

>     >

>     > http://www.madewithmarmalade.com/

>     >

>     > http://getmoai.com/

>     >

>     >

>     >

>     > Unity is definitely one of the best platforms out there

>     currently, but if

>     >

>     > you’re only looking to do a 2d card game it might be more engine

>     then you

>     >

>     > need.

>     >

>     >

>     >

>     > Rob

>     >

>     > From: oscar.oscar.oscar at gmail.com

>     <mailto:oscar.oscar.oscar at gmail.com>

>     >

>     > Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:17:31 -0400

>     >

>     > To: Casual_Games at igda.org <mailto:Casual_Games at igda.org>

>     >

>     > Subject: [casual_games] Salutations. Seeking Recommendation for an

>     >

>     > Android/iPhone Game Development Platform for a Multiplayer Card

>     Game...

>     >

>     > I'm seeking out tech to make a card game for a client.

>     >

>     > Caveats:

>     >

>     > Game will be multiplayer, online and local (people whipping out

>     their

>     >

>     > mobiles and playing together).

>     >

>     > Game will also have a single player mode (human vs. AI)

>     >

>     > I am considering Flash (people seem to appreciate its new ability to

>     >

>     > output to iOS), Unity3d, and a few other options, but I would REALLY

>     >

>     > appreciate the learned wisdom of you guys out there.

>     >

>     > Any engines/development environments out there I should be

>     considering?

>     >

>     >

>     > Obliged,

>     >

>     > Oscar Aird

>     >

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