[games_access] accessible madden
hinn at uiuc.edu
hinn at uiuc.edu
Sat Nov 18 15:34:07 EST 2006
I've been brushing up on my reality shows too. ;) I have to come up with my host persona after all!
Also -- another thing to think about is that by putting the parameters of the game needing to be fun and accessible for both quadriplegic and non-quadriplegic players...sometimes it's more creative to think of a new design when you are "in box" than when the sky's the limit.
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>Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 21:14:33 +0100
>From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
>Subject: Re: [games_access] accessible madden
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>
>Hi,
>
>I agree with Michelle. I would like to add to my point of focus will
>probably mainly be "coming up with great game design solutions within this
>(more limited) context)". Meaning that I am mostly interested in The F
>Factor: fun... (yeah, watching the Idols-spinoff show X-Factor right now for
>inspiration :)
>
>Greets,
>
>Richard
>
>
>
>
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>From: <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
>Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:03 PM
>Subject: Re: [games_access] accessible madden
>
>
>> Hey Robert and Jason,
>>
>> I think that standards are one thing to think about for info to developers
>> in general. For this contest -- keep in mind that it's designed to be
>> funny because we'll be poking fun at the contestants a bit and so we kind
>> of want them to make a few errors so we can say "ok...so why did you think
>> that someone who can't move their leg could use a controller that relied
>> on their knee?" Ok, that was a little dramatic but you get the idea. ;)
>>
>> So we don't want to tell them too much because we have to pick one
>> winner...as only one designer...can be...the accessibility idol!
>>
>> So for the contest we need to give them information on how you, as a
>> quadriplegic gamer, games. Not so much information on what they need to do
>> with regard to "menu x needs to be place in location blah, blah, blah" --
>> that part is up to them. They are smart people and have "been there, done
>> that." So we need to give them the freedom to think about ways of gaming
>> that we may not have thought of that might be a genius (and accessible)
>> new design. At the same time, we also help demonstrate things that we want
>> to show the audience because they will make accessibility errors...and
>> those are our "teachable moments."
>>
>> Does that explain things a bit more clearly? So we need to tell them about
>> the gamers they are designing for but not so much what they need/solutions
>> design-wise. Because then we face the risk that it would just be an
>> informational session rather than a flashy, tacky, made for tv,
>> attention-grabbing extravaganza!
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>> ---- Original message ----
>>>Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 14:40:37 -0500
>>>From: "Robert Florio" <arthit73 at cablespeed.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] accessible madden
>>>To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
>>>
>>>Jason I think you and I play QuadController so much we would have a good
>>>idea to put something together together for some standards since I'll be
>>>one
>>>of the judges there.
>>>
>>>I haven't heard anything yet like Michelle mentions putting together a
>>>list
>>>of things for developers to follow I'm looking forward to hearing that in
>>>our meetings to go or I could start doing that.
>>>
>>>Robert
>>>www.RobertFlorio.com
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
>>>On Behalf Of hinn at uiuc.edu
>>>Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 1:43 PM
>>>To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] accessible madden
>>>
>>>Cool Jason -- So for our game celeb contestants, here's what would be
>>>helpful to provide for them:
>>>
>>>Info about how a quadriplegic gamer plays a number of games would be
>>>helpful, especially information on how much you can set up yourself and
>>>when
>>>something about the game requires a friend to assist. That, and top very
>>>annoying things that remain inaccessible to you when you play console
>>>games
>>>and what kind of controller set up you have.
>>>
>>>The contestants are all game designers who have been in the mainstream
>>>gaming biz for, at least, 10-15 years...some much, much longer! So their
>>>challenge is to create a game design assuming that a large part of their
>>>audience will be gamers with mobility disabilities BUT that they may also
>>>not have a mobility disability (ie, fun and playable for quadriplegic and
>>>non-quadriplegic gamers from the start). They are also challenged to not
>>>come up with "crazy katamari nba super mario, part ten" but something way
>>>out there and is "new" rather than a game that's made and then, oh yeah,
>>>lets now think about accessibility.
>>>
>>>Michelle
>>>
>>>---- Original message ----
>>>>Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:44:51 -0600
>>>>From: "Jason Price" <no1cwbyfan at cox.net>
>>>>Subject: Re: [games_access] accessible madden
>>>>To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
>>>>
>>>> Link: File-List
>>>> Link: Edit-Time-Data
>>>>
>>>> I'm a long time quad madden player if I can help in
>>>> any way
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org
>>>> [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Barrie Ellis
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 3:53 AM
>>>> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [games_access] hotel reservations GDC
>>>> 2007
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Okay to post this link around now, Michelle? Noticed
>>>> it was an https address, so I want to check with you
>>>> first.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cmpevents.com/GD07/a.asp?option=C&V=11&SessID=3887
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Barrie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: d. michelle hinn
>>>>
>>>> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 8:32 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [games_access] hotel reservations GDC
>>>> 2007
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > it's gotta be mainstream but also provide
>>>> something that focuses on
>>>> disability as a strength...
>>>>
>>>> Sorry - I'm haven't had a chance to learn about
>>>> the accessibility-idol
>>>> project. But just a couple of ideas that maybe
>>>> can help the contestants in
>>>>
>>>> their first steps:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Amit! So the competition will be live at
>>>> GDC in March and we have 5 very seasoned industry
>>>> veterans (We have coverages from Ultima to the
>>>> Madden game series) who have accepted the
>>>> challenge to make a mainstream game accessible for
>>>> gamers with mobility disabilities. So it's not a
>>>> project in as much a "reality show" style session
>>>> to hopefully pack people in to see what the famous
>>>> people are doing messing about with accessibility!
>>>> So basically what they need from us is information
>>>> on how a gamer who is quadriplegic plays games and
>>>> then it's up to them to design something awesome.
>>>> They'll just be presenting designs rather than
>>>> finished projects (too little time and they are
>>>> very busy people) but it will be a game
>>>> show/reality show presentation where one of them
>>>> will be named....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Accessibility Idol
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The GDC site for the session is at:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cmpevents.com/GD07/a.asp?option=C&V=11&SessID=3887
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We're hoping this will bring a lot of attention to
>>>> the issue of game accessibility for mainstream
>>>> games.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michelle
>>>>
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>> these are mediocre times and people are
>> losing hope. it's hard for many people
>> to believe that there are extraordinary
>> things inside themselves, as well as
>> others. i hope you can keep an open
>> mind.
>> -- "unbreakable"
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these are mediocre times and people are
losing hope. it's hard for many people
to believe that there are extraordinary
things inside themselves, as well as
others. i hope you can keep an open
mind.
-- "unbreakable"
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