[games_access] E For All Flyer Update

Sun Oct 14 03:17:19 EDT 2007

small suggestions:

We can always say X % has a disability. (this is a hard fact--> ).

and then....  a significant amount of those have problems playing
games without naming a statistic. Then we still have the large number
to draw attention and we don't make up numbers.

Cheers eelke

On 10/13/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> Yeah, at the end of the day (maybe even this one?) we just need to
> print the flier and say "according to the US Census, about 20%...."
>
> If people grill us on the number we can point them to the US census
> and other groups and/or have long midnight chats over coffee
> discussing the statistic and what it does and does not represent.
> While the numbers are important to get...we aren't the SIG for
> disability statistics. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't keep
> thinking about the numbers, as companies will want to know (and
> always grill us on them). But we just need to run this flier to the
> printer now.
>
> Michelle
>
> >Guys come on... this is not a legal document and it is not a
> >contract vehicle that is going to be executed at the end of the day.
> >This is a flier, not a scientific paper being proofed for next
> >months Journal Nature. Add the word ABOUT or ROUGHLY and move on. It
> >is a great opening statement and a simple qualifier will make this
> >fine. We have 18.6% to 23% so say "about 20%" and move forward.
> >
> >I know I am new to the group, and I keep quiet, but I have seen less
> >discussion on buying a new house.
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >Eitan Glinert wrote:
> >>Be careful with that statistic, it's a bit tricky (though I've used
> >>it myself.) According to the 2000 US census, some 18.6% of 16-64
> >>year old US citizens have a disability. But that number can be
> >>misleading for several reasons:
> >>1. The age ranges are bizarre. They go from 0-4, 5-15, 16-64, and 65 and up.
> >>2. Disabilities tend to be very heavily congregated towards the
> >>higher age range. In the 16-64 group, for instance, the majority of
> >>that 18.6% lies in the top third of the age range.
> >>3. Disability is nebulously defined. Does missing a leg mean that
> >>you can't play games (save DDR?) How about a severe, but
> >>non-incapacitating illness? ADHD?
> >>
> >>Moral is: Be careful with that number.
> >>Eitan
> >>
> >>At 05:39 PM 10/13/2007, d. michelle hinn wrote:
> >>>According to the latest US census (I called a friend who has a
> >>>friend that works for the census AND it's on their website), 49
> >>>million people have a disability in the United States. That's
> >>>19.4%. So I think we can safely say "nearly 20% of the United
> >>>States population has a disability, according to the latest census
> >>>data" (better wording can probably be found but that's a stab at
> >>>it). This is from the official US census government website. So we
> >>>should go with just the US in the flier because we can say that
> >>>with more certainty plus the expo is in the US and probably
> >>>covered more by US media...at least for this first year of its
> >>>existence.
> >>>
> >>>Richard -- I hope you have a little bit of extra time to tweak the
> >>>flier. You have been VERY generous with your time and creativity
> >>>to help with this!
> >>>
> >>>Michelle
> >>>
> >>>>Yes, you are right -- it definitely changes things, which I meant
> >>>>to add and didn't so thanks for raising this issue. I just wasn't
> >>>>sure what was meant by "a country" and would prefer if we could
> >>>>say "the world" but I don't know the percentages and certainly we
> >>>>need to adjust the numbers depending on the wording. I'm not sure
> >>>>we should say the 10-20% until we get more confident in our
> >>>>numbers per country. We are still kind of making a guess when it
> >>>>comes to just the United States.
> >>>>
> >>>>With that in mind...what should we have as our opening statement
> >>>>on our flier? We don't have a long time to decide -- I need to
> >>>>get it to the printer as soon as possible so we need to make sure
> >>>>we say only what we are comfortable saying. So we need some
> >>>>brainstorming help ASAP!!!
> >>>>
> >>>>Michelle
> >>>>
> >>>>>Maybe I completely suck at math but doesn't changing "country" to
> >>>>>world COMPLETELY change the facts? If we can't do that no one is going
> >>>>>to give us any respect.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I don't even know if 10 - 20% of a given country is the truth, I'm
> >>>>>sure Richard did the research.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On 10/12/07, hinn at uiuc.edu <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>>  I can't open these at all:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyer4onpage.jpg
> >>>>>>  http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyermaster0001.jpg
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  How big are they? Can you try to send as attachments if the
> >>>>>>total is under 50 mg?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  One thing to change:
> >>>>>  > http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyer0009.jpg
> >>>>>  >
> >>>>>>  "in a country" -- maybe "between 10 and 20% (on average) of
> >>>>>>the world population..." instead? That or "in each country."
> >>>>>>but i prefer the world wording
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  ---- Original message ----
> >>>>>>  >Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:49:36 +0200
> >>>>>>  >From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
> >>>>>>  >Subject: [games_access] E For All Flyer Update
> >>>>>>  >To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> >>>>>>  >
> >>>>>>  >Hee,
> >>>>>>  >
> >>>>>>  >Due to calculation error of my part, I had to rescale the
> >>>>>>flyer a little
> >>>>>>  >bit. See latest versions here:
> >>>>>>  >
> >>>>>>  >http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyer0009.jpg
> >>>>>>  >http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyermaster0001.jpg (2 on page)
> >>>>>>  >
> >>>>>>  >Michelle: 4 on page I can do, but text will become small...
> >>>>>>  >
> >>>>>>  >Greets,
> >>>>>>  >
> >>>>>>  >Richard
> >>>>>>  >
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