[games_access] E For All Flyer Update
d. michelle hinn
hinn at uiuc.edu
Sun Oct 14 13:24:45 EDT 2007
What percentage would that be? It would seem weird to just have
X%...I think I'm misreading this though. :)
I don't think we're making up numbers -- we are choosing a certain
number to go with for this flier -- I'm sure that as hard as we
worked, we would not be able to do the job that the census has done.
I read last night that the UN has 650 million worldwide as a number
in their disability numbers.
So there's a lot of political choices we can make in what number we
use -- none are making up numbers...they are just using different
qualifiers to define disability.
Michelle
>small suggestions:
>
>We can always say X % has a disability. (this is a hard fact--> ).
>
>and then.... a significant amount of those have problems playing
>games without naming a statistic. Then we still have the large number
>to draw attention and we don't make up numbers.
>
>Cheers eelke
>
>
>On 10/13/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>> Yeah, at the end of the day (maybe even this one?) we just need to
>> print the flier and say "according to the US Census, about 20%...."
>>
>> If people grill us on the number we can point them to the US census
>> and other groups and/or have long midnight chats over coffee
>> discussing the statistic and what it does and does not represent.
>> While the numbers are important to get...we aren't the SIG for
>> disability statistics. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't keep
>> thinking about the numbers, as companies will want to know (and
>> always grill us on them). But we just need to run this flier to the
>> printer now.
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>> >Guys come on... this is not a legal document and it is not a
>> >contract vehicle that is going to be executed at the end of the day.
>> >This is a flier, not a scientific paper being proofed for next
>> >months Journal Nature. Add the word ABOUT or ROUGHLY and move on. It
>> >is a great opening statement and a simple qualifier will make this
>> >fine. We have 18.6% to 23% so say "about 20%" and move forward.
>> >
>> >I know I am new to the group, and I keep quiet, but I have seen less
>> >discussion on buying a new house.
>> >
>> >Mark
>> >
>> >Eitan Glinert wrote:
>> >>Be careful with that statistic, it's a bit tricky (though I've used
>> >>it myself.) According to the 2000 US census, some 18.6% of 16-64
>> >>year old US citizens have a disability. But that number can be
>> >>misleading for several reasons:
>> >>1. The age ranges are bizarre. They go from 0-4, 5-15, 16-64,
>>and 65 and up.
>> >>2. Disabilities tend to be very heavily congregated towards the
>> >>higher age range. In the 16-64 group, for instance, the majority of
>> >>that 18.6% lies in the top third of the age range.
>> >>3. Disability is nebulously defined. Does missing a leg mean that
>> >>you can't play games (save DDR?) How about a severe, but
>> >>non-incapacitating illness? ADHD?
>> >>
>> >>Moral is: Be careful with that number.
>> >>Eitan
>> >>
>> >>At 05:39 PM 10/13/2007, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>> >>>According to the latest US census (I called a friend who has a
>> >>>friend that works for the census AND it's on their website), 49
>> >>>million people have a disability in the United States. That's
>> >>>19.4%. So I think we can safely say "nearly 20% of the United
>> >>>States population has a disability, according to the latest census
>> >>>data" (better wording can probably be found but that's a stab at
>> >>>it). This is from the official US census government website. So we
>> >>>should go with just the US in the flier because we can say that
>> >>>with more certainty plus the expo is in the US and probably
>> >>>covered more by US media...at least for this first year of its
>> >>>existence.
>> >>>
>> >>>Richard -- I hope you have a little bit of extra time to tweak the
>> >>>flier. You have been VERY generous with your time and creativity
>> >>>to help with this!
>> >>>
>> >>>Michelle
>> >>>
>> >>>>Yes, you are right -- it definitely changes things, which I meant
>> >>>>to add and didn't so thanks for raising this issue. I just wasn't
> > >>>>sure what was meant by "a country" and would prefer if we could
>> >>>>say "the world" but I don't know the percentages and certainly we
>> >>>>need to adjust the numbers depending on the wording. I'm not sure
>> >>>>we should say the 10-20% until we get more confident in our
>> >>>>numbers per country. We are still kind of making a guess when it
>> >>>>comes to just the United States.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>With that in mind...what should we have as our opening statement
>> >>>>on our flier? We don't have a long time to decide -- I need to
>> >>>>get it to the printer as soon as possible so we need to make sure
>> >>>>we say only what we are comfortable saying. So we need some
>> >>>>brainstorming help ASAP!!!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Michelle
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Maybe I completely suck at math but doesn't changing "country" to
>> >>>>>world COMPLETELY change the facts? If we can't do that no one is going
>> >>>>>to give us any respect.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I don't even know if 10 - 20% of a given country is the truth, I'm
>> >>>>>sure Richard did the research.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>On 10/12/07, hinn at uiuc.edu <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>> >>>>>> I can't open these at all:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyer4onpage.jpg
>> >>>>>> http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyermaster0001.jpg
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> How big are they? Can you try to send as attachments if the
>> >>>>>>total is under 50 mg?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> One thing to change:
>> >>>>> > http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyer0009.jpg
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>>> "in a country" -- maybe "between 10 and 20% (on average) of
>> >>>>>>the world population..." instead? That or "in each country."
>> >>>>>>but i prefer the world wording
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ---- Original message ----
>> >>>>>> >Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:49:36 +0200
>> >>>>>> >From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
>> >>>>>> >Subject: [games_access] E For All Flyer Update
>> >>>>>> >To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>><games_access at igda.org>
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >Hee,
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >Due to calculation error of my part, I had to rescale the
>> >>>>>>flyer a little
>> >>>>>> >bit. See latest versions here:
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyer0009.jpg
>> >>>>>> >http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyermaster0001.jpg
>>(2 on page)
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >Michelle: 4 on page I can do, but text will become small...
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >Greets,
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> >Richard
>> >>>>>> >
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