[games_access] Final Flier Info
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richard at audiogames.net
Sun Oct 14 16:04:38 EDT 2007
Hi,
Back in town ;) Can help edit the flyer for 2 or 3 more hours more, then I
need to go to bed and get up early tomorrow. In any case, I'll make the
Photoshop file available so others can edit the flyer, no problem.
K... quick response to all previous emails:
I personally think the flyer should be fun and attractive for the E4All
crowd, and prefer a catchy phrase over boring statistics. That said, I also
believe we should not be spreading statistics that are false. I think that
right now people are giving too much thought about the actual statistics and
we shouldn't do that. "Between 10% and 20%" is a pretty big range and I
guess we can get away with that at something like E4All. However, I think it
is THE MESSAGE we should be thinking about. And the message (without the
numbers) is this:
"Did You Know There Are Loads Of People Out There Who Can't Play Games Due
To A Disability?"
So...
We got a couple of hours for an alternative. I personally think we can keep
the 10%/20%-line and get away with it. Even if there's a person in the E4All
crowd who's hobby it is to carry statistics with him around on the floor.
I'd actually be happy, so that person can then tell US what the correct
numbers are. I like this sentence better that something like I wrote above
("Did You Know There Are Loads...etc."). That's my vote.
Because it is my personal experience that printwork in real life can only be
designed by 2 or 3 people max (to make the decisions), I'd like us to make a
decision between NOW and three hours. So if you want something else on the
flyer, post your alternative now. If you don't have an alternative but only
fuel for discussion, please don't post. I do value your opinions, but we
have to get a flyer out in a couple of hours. Please, with all respect, use
another discussion for that. Out of all the alternatives posted, I propose
we decide - simply by posting your vote for your fave alternative. And if we
can't then just one person will make that (simple) decision.
Michelle: are you printing or copying the flyers? And using any special kind
of paper? Because 3000 B/W copy on regular paper is (if I remember correctly
from my days at the copy shop) a lot less than $150... more like $50... at
least here in Holland?
Greets,
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "d. michelle hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>
To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:38 PM
Subject: [games_access] Final Flier Info
> Sorry to keep adding to the email clutter -- if anyone would like to have
> their subscription options switched to digest mode, please let me know off
> list (hinn at uiuc.edu) -- but this is crunch time and in less than two days
> I'm leaving for E for All and will be in extreme amount of pain (bad
> timing for E for All but that's life) so I hope everyone will forgive me
> for sending 90 messages a day but I know what I'm physically up against
> and the clock is ticking.
>
> I need to get the flier to the printer no later than 11pm (NYC time)
> tonight -- that's in under 10 hours. I'm going to take whatever we have
> right now and edit it (if I can - hopefully Richard can help but I have
> the feeling he's out of town at the moment). I'm going with the US census
> percentage even though that number is problematic because we need to have
> something there and at least we can say "according to the US census" and
> not according to my neighbor or whatever. We can always explain the
> problems with that if/when asked by the press. This isn't a paper -- this
> is a flier and as long as we can say where we got that number, there
> really isn't a problem. I wish we had better world stats but we don't. So
> this will be US-centric.
>
> I'll be printing out a total of 3000 (6000 when the flier is cut in half),
> which will add at least another $150 to our (my) already growing expenses.
> This is the MINIMUM number that the E for All folks have suggested.
>
> So last call for suggestions -- we just don't have the time anymore. We
> can create the perfect flier for GDC...for right now, it's just too late.
>
> Michelle
>
>>What percentage would that be? It would seem weird to just have X%...I
>>think I'm misreading this though. :)
>>
>>I don't think we're making up numbers -- we are choosing a certain number
>>to go with for this flier -- I'm sure that as hard as we worked, we would
>>not be able to do the job that the census has done. I read last night that
>>the UN has 650 million worldwide as a number in their disability numbers.
>>
>>So there's a lot of political choices we can make in what number we use --
>>none are making up numbers...they are just using different qualifiers to
>>define disability.
>>
>>Michelle
>>
>>>small suggestions:
>>>
>>>We can always say X % has a disability. (this is a hard fact--> ).
>>>
>>>and then.... a significant amount of those have problems playing
>>>games without naming a statistic. Then we still have the large number
>>>to draw attention and we don't make up numbers.
>>>
>>>Cheers eelke
>>>
>>>
>>>On 10/13/07, d. michelle hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>>> Yeah, at the end of the day (maybe even this one?) we just need to
>>>> print the flier and say "according to the US Census, about 20%...."
>>>>
>>>> If people grill us on the number we can point them to the US census
>>>> and other groups and/or have long midnight chats over coffee
>>>> discussing the statistic and what it does and does not represent.
>>>> While the numbers are important to get...we aren't the SIG for
>>>> disability statistics. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't keep
>>>> thinking about the numbers, as companies will want to know (and
>>>> always grill us on them). But we just need to run this flier to the
>>>> printer now.
>>>>
>>>> Michelle
>>>>
>>>> >Guys come on... this is not a legal document and it is not a
>>>> >contract vehicle that is going to be executed at the end of the day.
>>>> >This is a flier, not a scientific paper being proofed for next
>>>> >months Journal Nature. Add the word ABOUT or ROUGHLY and move on. It
>>>> >is a great opening statement and a simple qualifier will make this
>>>> >fine. We have 18.6% to 23% so say "about 20%" and move forward.
>>>> >
>>>> >I know I am new to the group, and I keep quiet, but I have seen less
>>>> >discussion on buying a new house.
>>>> >
>>>> >Mark
>>>> >
>>>> >Eitan Glinert wrote:
>>>> >>Be careful with that statistic, it's a bit tricky (though I've used
>>>> >>it myself.) According to the 2000 US census, some 18.6% of 16-64
>>>> >>year old US citizens have a disability. But that number can be
>>>> >>misleading for several reasons:
>>>> >>1. The age ranges are bizarre. They go from 0-4, 5-15, 16-64, and 65
>>>> and up.
>>>> >>2. Disabilities tend to be very heavily congregated towards the
>>>> >>higher age range. In the 16-64 group, for instance, the majority of
>>>> >>that 18.6% lies in the top third of the age range.
>>>> >>3. Disability is nebulously defined. Does missing a leg mean that
>>>> >>you can't play games (save DDR?) How about a severe, but
>>>> >>non-incapacitating illness? ADHD?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Moral is: Be careful with that number.
>>>> >>Eitan
>>>> >>
>>>> >>At 05:39 PM 10/13/2007, d. michelle hinn wrote:
>>>> >>>According to the latest US census (I called a friend who has a
>>>> >>>friend that works for the census AND it's on their website), 49
>>>> >>>million people have a disability in the United States. That's
>>>> >>>19.4%. So I think we can safely say "nearly 20% of the United
>>>> >>>States population has a disability, according to the latest census
>>>> >>>data" (better wording can probably be found but that's a stab at
>>>> >>>it). This is from the official US census government website. So we
>>>> >>>should go with just the US in the flier because we can say that
>>>> >>>with more certainty plus the expo is in the US and probably
>>>> >>>covered more by US media...at least for this first year of its
>>>> >>>existence.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Richard -- I hope you have a little bit of extra time to tweak the
>>>> >>>flier. You have been VERY generous with your time and creativity
>>>> >>>to help with this!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Michelle
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>Yes, you are right -- it definitely changes things, which I meant
>>>> >>>>to add and didn't so thanks for raising this issue. I just wasn't
>>> > >>>>sure what was meant by "a country" and would prefer if we could
>>>> >>>>say "the world" but I don't know the percentages and certainly we
>>>> >>>>need to adjust the numbers depending on the wording. I'm not sure
>>>> >>>>we should say the 10-20% until we get more confident in our
>>>> >>>>numbers per country. We are still kind of making a guess when it
>>>> >>>>comes to just the United States.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>With that in mind...what should we have as our opening statement
>>>> >>>>on our flier? We don't have a long time to decide -- I need to
>>>> >>>>get it to the printer as soon as possible so we need to make sure
>>>> >>>>we say only what we are comfortable saying. So we need some
>>>> >>>>brainstorming help ASAP!!!
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>Michelle
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>Maybe I completely suck at math but doesn't changing "country" to
>>>> >>>>>world COMPLETELY change the facts? If we can't do that no one is
>>>> going
>>>> >>>>>to give us any respect.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>I don't even know if 10 - 20% of a given country is the truth,
>>>> I'm
>>>> >>>>>sure Richard did the research.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>On 10/12/07, hinn at uiuc.edu <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> I can't open these at all:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyer4onpage.jpg
>>>> >>>>>> http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyermaster0001.jpg
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> How big are they? Can you try to send as attachments if the
>>>> >>>>>>total is under 50 mg?
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> One thing to change:
>>>> >>>>> > http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyer0009.jpg
>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> "in a country" -- maybe "between 10 and 20% (on average) of
>>>> >>>>>>the world population..." instead? That or "in each country."
>>>> >>>>>>but i prefer the world wording
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> ---- Original message ----
>>>> >>>>>> >Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:49:36 +0200
>>>> >>>>>> >From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>
>>>> >>>>>> >Subject: [games_access] E For All Flyer Update
>>>> >>>>>> >To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>>>> <games_access at igda.org>
>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >Hee,
>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >Due to calculation error of my part, I had to rescale the
>>>> >>>>>>flyer a little
>>>> >>>>>> >bit. See latest versions here:
>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyer0009.jpg
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>http://kmt.hku.nl/~richard/e4all/e4allflyermaster0001.jpg (2 on
>>>>page)
>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >Michelle: 4 on page I can do, but text will become small...
>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >Greets,
>>>> >>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>> >Richard
>>>> >>>>>> >
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>>>> >>>>>> to believe that there are extraordinary
>>>> >>>>>> things inside themselves, as well as
>>>> >>>>>> others. i hope you can keep an open
>>>> >>>>>> mind.
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