[games_access] More from Barrie on One Switch/Button
D. Michelle Hinn
hinn at uiuc.edu
Thu Dec 10 12:43:41 EST 2009
Also, they prohibit the use of any of the "sticks" you see on the
controller that can be pressed down as buttons but also be used for
direction -- that's the easiest explanation I can think of about the
Gamma IV rule change you mention, Sandra.
For programmers to grasp, yes, I would hope that an interchangeable
word could work...but, hey, with Heather mentioning that they have
gotten overloaded with emails about this and that, which could be
used as "cheats" then I guess I don't blame their caution about
starting another load of it by adding in the word "switch." :)
I can imagine all the "oh, can we use one of those as another button
to do other stuff????" questions. I do have to feel for
them...sometimes opening up even the simplest of contests as we did
about 4 years ago can bring with it a HOST of questions, making you
feel like "what did I get myself into?" I can't imagine hosting
something like this!!! :)
Michelle
> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
> Date: December 10, 2009 2:12:28 AM CST
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>
>
> I personally think this is confusing something that is pretty
> simple in reality. Either term is fine, and one-switch only really
> takes a little further explanation to my mind. As we are in the
> field of accessibility, one-switch seems sensible to stick by to
> me. One-button/one-switch in certain circumstances seems fine too.
> I don't think it's too much to ask people to grasp who can program
> a computer.
>
> As regards Gamma IV the only real confusion I've seen on the forum
> is whether or not the game control (mapped to the 'A' button on an
> Xbox 360 joypad) could be analogue in function. It can't be. It's
> on or off and that's it, just like the SPACE BAR on your keyboard.
>
> Hope that helps, Sandra?
>
> Barrie
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:37 AM
> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was just wondering if there is a technical difference.
>>
>> E.g.
>> Switch only on/off
>> Button on off and on on on off , ....
>>
>> One Button is maybe the best term for developer.
>> Also it looks like they had to add some information.
>> That is has to be a button, not this button that can be moved in
>> circle.
>> Sorry I do not know the name.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Sandra
>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
>>> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von D. Michelle Hinn
>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 06:30
>>> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
>>> Betreff: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>>>
>>> I think that the main issue is whether the Gamma 4 team will
>>> change the
>>> name -- and from what I am seeing, it doesn't seem to be the
>>> case. And
>>> that's ok. So in Barrie's guide and how we refer to it, we need
>>> to put
>>> a little historical context in it as to why it is "switch" without
>>> confusing (some already confused and/or scheming for a way to use
>>> another input than simply one "click") Gamma 4 participants. But
>>> calling it one button/switch may overload the Gamma 4 (and there are
>>> only 4 of them!) team because they will be asked what on earth a
>>> switch
>>> is [see next paragraph].
>>>
>>> Heather did mention that they just got through explaining that using
>>> alternatives to buttons (ie, space bar versus mouse button versus
>>> the
>>> return key) does not mean that you can map THREE DIFFERENT items to
>>> those -- they have to do the SAME function. So she's asked us to be
>>> cautious in how "switch" is introduced so as not to start the same
>>> week-long answering of "but how can we cheat using this additional
>>> peripheral" kinds of questions. ;)
>>>
>>> So that's the main deal. Most of the Gamma 4 participants are not
>>> going
>>> to be participating with accessibility in mind -- so Barrie,
>>> being our
>>> resident expert on all things one switch/button is working hard on
>>> making sure that participants know how much MORE this challenge
>>> can be!
>>> :)
>>>
>>> I think more people "get" one button than switch in the US and/or
>>> those
>>> outside the accessibility realm...but that's just my guess.
>>> Switch, to
>>> me, is a term that is very much tied to accessibility. But I may be
>>> wrong...I have been before. hehe.
>>>
>>> Michelle
>>>
>>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Nissa Ludwig wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, I am going to jump in here...
>>>
>>> Would using "one button or switch" or "one button/switch " clear
>>> this one us so that everyone would be able to take the device
>>> they are
>>> dealing with and make it fit in to the wording? I realize that I
>>> may
>>> be over simplifying (or, - without intent - making things even more
>>> complicated) with this response. I just think that if we include
>>> both
>>> perhaps we get around the entire issue of not understanding one
>>> word or
>>> the other. I do realize that I am asking us to type a few more
>>> characters but it also seems to me that if we avoid confusion in
>>> doing
>>> so, it might be worth that effort.
>>>
>>> Just my random thought,
>>>
>>> Nissa
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!
>>>
>>> Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the one
>>> switch guidelines may be the most easy and less confusing
>>> language to
>>> use. Many do not understand what a "switch" is and we definitely
>>> don't
>>> want to make things more difficult! :) That doesn't mean we can't
>>> use
>>> the experience to let others know how to find out about the
>>> history and
>>> what "one switch" means to the disabled but I think "one button"
>>> is the
>>> way to start that conversation rather than scare away people with
>>> language.
>>>
>>> Just my thoughts. :)
>>>
>>> Michelle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
>>> Date: December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST
>>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>>> <games_access at igda.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button - one switch
>>> game ?
>>> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis"
>>> <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>>>
>>>
>>> I personally use one-switch because of the tie up
>>> with accessibility switches, of which there are many more types than
>>> just a push-button. From the field of educational accessibility
>>> software, one-switch / two-switch accessibility is a standard
>>> term that
>>> has been used long-before I knew anything about it. That's why I
>>> like
>>> to use it in reference to one-button games.
>>>
>>> Barrie
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM
>>> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
>>> <games_access at igda.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button - one switch
>>> game ?
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think so, I prefer one button since
>> the
>>> word is a bit easier to understand than switch
>>> /Thomas
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> is there a difference between "one
>>> button" and "one switch" game?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sandra
>>>
>>>
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