[games_access] More from Barrie on One Switch/Button
Sandra Uhling
sandra_uhling at web.de
Thu Dec 10 13:49:11 EST 2009
Hi,
do we have something like a FAQ?
Best regards,
Sandra
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-
> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von D. Michelle Hinn
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 18:44
> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Betreff: [games_access] More from Barrie on One Switch/Button
>
> Also, they prohibit the use of any of the "sticks" you see on the
> controller that can be pressed down as buttons but also be used for
> direction -- that's the easiest explanation I can think of about the
> Gamma IV rule change you mention, Sandra.
>
> For programmers to grasp, yes, I would hope that an interchangeable
> word could work...but, hey, with Heather mentioning that they have
> gotten overloaded with emails about this and that, which could be used
> as "cheats" then I guess I don't blame their caution about starting
> another load of it by adding in the word "switch." :)
>
> I can imagine all the "oh, can we use one of those as another button to
> do other stuff????" questions. I do have to feel for them...sometimes
> opening up even the simplest of contests as we did about 4 years ago
> can bring with it a HOST of questions, making you feel like "what did I
> get myself into?" I can't imagine hosting something like this!!! :)
>
> Michelle
>
>
>
> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
> Date: December 10, 2009 2:12:28 AM CST
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>
>
> I personally think this is confusing something that is pretty
> simple in reality. Either term is fine, and one-switch only really
> takes a little further explanation to my mind. As we are in the field
> of accessibility, one-switch seems sensible to stick by to me. One-
> button/one-switch in certain circumstances seems fine too. I don't
> think it's too much to ask people to grasp who can program a computer.
>
> As regards Gamma IV the only real confusion I've seen on the
> forum is whether or not the game control (mapped to the 'A' button on
> an Xbox 360 joypad) could be analogue in function. It can't be. It's on
> or off and that's it, just like the SPACE BAR on your keyboard.
>
> Hope that helps, Sandra?
>
> Barrie
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:37 AM
> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I was just wondering if there is a technical difference.
>
> E.g.
> Switch only on/off
> Button on off and on on on off , ....
>
> One Button is maybe the best term for developer.
> Also it looks like they had to add some information.
> That is has to be a button, not this button that can be
> moved in circle.
> Sorry I do not know the name.
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org
> [mailto:games_access-
> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von D. Michelle Hinn
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 06:30
> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Betreff: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>
> I think that the main issue is whether the Gamma 4
> team will change the
> name -- and from what I am seeing, it doesn't seem
to
> be the case. And
> that's ok. So in Barrie's guide and how we refer to
> it, we need to put
> a little historical context in it as to why it is
> "switch" without
> confusing (some already confused and/or scheming for
> a way to use
> another input than simply one "click") Gamma 4
> participants. But
> calling it one button/switch may overload the Gamma
4
> (and there are
> only 4 of them!) team because they will be asked
what
> on earth a switch
> is [see next paragraph].
>
> Heather did mention that they just got through
> explaining that using
> alternatives to buttons (ie, space bar versus mouse
> button versus the
> return key) does not mean that you can map THREE
> DIFFERENT items to
> those -- they have to do the SAME function. So she's
> asked us to be
> cautious in how "switch" is introduced so as not to
> start the same
> week-long answering of "but how can we cheat using
> this additional
> peripheral" kinds of questions. ;)
>
> So that's the main deal. Most of the Gamma 4
> participants are not going
> to be participating with accessibility in mind -- so
> Barrie, being our
> resident expert on all things one switch/button is
> working hard on
> making sure that participants know how much MORE
this
> challenge can be!
> :)
>
> I think more people "get" one button than switch in
> the US and/or those
> outside the accessibility realm...but that's just my
> guess. Switch, to
> me, is a term that is very much tied to
> accessibility. But I may be
> wrong...I have been before. hehe.
>
> Michelle
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Nissa Ludwig wrote:
>
>
>
> So, I am going to jump in here...
>
> Would using "one button or switch" or "one
> button/switch " clear
> this one us so that everyone would be able to take
> the device they are
> dealing with and make it fit in to the wording? I
> realize that I may
> be over simplifying (or, - without intent - making
> things even more
> complicated) with this response. I just think that
> if we include both
> perhaps we get around the entire issue of not
> understanding one word or
> the other. I do realize that I am asking us to type
a
> few more
> characters but it also seems to me that if we avoid
> confusion in doing
> so, it might be worth that effort.
>
> Just my random thought,
>
> Nissa
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM, D. Michelle Hinn
> <hinn at uiuc.edu>
> wrote:
>
>
> Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!
>
> Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the
> one
> switch guidelines may be the most easy and less
> confusing language to
> use. Many do not understand what a "switch" is and
we
> definitely don't
> want to make things more difficult! :) That doesn't
> mean we can't use
> the experience to let others know how to find out
> about the history and
> what "one switch" means to the disabled but I think
> "one button" is the
> way to start that conversation rather than scare
away
> people with
> language.
>
> Just my thoughts. :)
>
> Michelle
>
>
>
>
> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
> Date: December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button - one switch
> game ?
> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis"
> <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>
>
> I personally use one-switch because of the tie up
> with accessibility switches, of which there are many
> more types than
> just a push-button. From the field of educational
> accessibility
> software, one-switch / two-switch accessibility is a
> standard term that
> has been used long-before I knew anything about it.
> That's why I like
> to use it in reference to one-button games.
>
> Barrie
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button - one switch
> game ?
>
>
> I don't think so, I prefer one button since
>
> the
>
> word is a bit easier to understand than switch
> /Thomas
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> is there a difference between "one
> button" and "one switch" game?
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
>
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