[games_access] More from Barrie on One Switch/Button

Thu Dec 10 16:05:58 EST 2009

Thanks to all...

Your explanations actually clear up this conversation for me and is much
appreciated.  I will do my research before I jump in again :). I can
(almost) hear the conversations about "It says One-Switch but the "A" button
is, by definition, a button..."  ...which I can only imagine setting off any
number of e-mail threads (not to mention meetings) as a result. I just
wanted to drop in a thanks for helping me to understand the issue better.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:43 AM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:

> Also, they prohibit the use of any of the "sticks" you see on the
> controller that can be pressed down as buttons but also be used for
> direction -- that's the easiest explanation I can think of about the Gamma
> IV rule change you mention, Sandra.
>
> For programmers to grasp, yes, I would hope that an interchangeable word
> could work...but, hey, with Heather mentioning that they have gotten
> overloaded with emails about this and that, which could be used as "cheats"
> then I guess I don't blame their caution about starting another load of it
> by adding in the word "switch." :)
>
> I can imagine all the "oh, can we use one of those as another button to do
> other stuff????" questions. I do have to feel for them...sometimes opening
> up even the simplest of contests as we did about 4 years ago can bring with
> it a HOST of questions, making you feel like "what did I get myself into?" I
> can't imagine hosting something like this!!! :)
>
> Michelle
>
> *From: *Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
> *Date: *December 10, 2009 2:12:28 AM CST
> *To: *"IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>
> *Subject: **Re: [games_access] One switch/one button*
> *Reply-To: *"Barrie Ellis" <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>
>
> I personally think this is confusing something that is pretty simple in
> reality. Either term is fine, and one-switch only really takes a little
> further explanation to my mind. As we are in the field of accessibility,
> one-switch seems sensible to stick by to me. One-button/one-switch in
> certain circumstances seems fine too. I don't think it's too much to ask
> people to grasp who can program a computer.
>
> As regards Gamma IV the only real confusion I've seen on the forum is
> whether or not the game control (mapped to the 'A' button on an Xbox 360
> joypad) could be analogue in function. It can't be. It's on or off and
> that's it, just like the SPACE BAR on your keyboard.
>
> Hope that helps, Sandra?
>
> Barrie
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:37 AM
> To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>
> Hi,
>
> I was just wondering if there is a technical difference.
>
> E.g.
> Switch only on/off
> Button on off and on on on off , ....
>
> One Button is maybe the best term for developer.
> Also it looks like they had to add some information.
> That is has to be a button, not this button that can be moved in circle.
> Sorry I do not know the name.
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games <games>_access-
> bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von D. Michelle Hinn
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 06:30
> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Betreff: Re: [games_access] One switch/one button
>
> I think that the main issue is whether the Gamma 4 team will change the
> name -- and from what I am seeing, it doesn't seem to be the case. And
> that's ok. So in Barrie's guide and how we refer to it, we need to put
> a little historical context in it as to why it is "switch" without
> confusing (some already confused and/or scheming for a way to use
> another input than simply one "click") Gamma 4 participants. But
> calling it one button/switch may overload the Gamma 4 (and there are
> only 4 of them!) team because they will be asked what on earth a switch
> is [see next paragraph].
>
> Heather did mention that they just got through explaining that using
> alternatives to buttons (ie, space bar versus mouse button versus the
> return key) does not mean that you can map THREE DIFFERENT items to
> those -- they have to do the SAME function. So she's asked us to be
> cautious in how "switch" is introduced so as not to start the same
> week-long answering of "but how can we cheat using this additional
> peripheral" kinds of questions. ;)
>
> So that's the main deal. Most of the Gamma 4 participants are not going
> to be participating with accessibility in mind -- so Barrie, being our
> resident expert on all things one switch/button is working hard on
> making sure that participants know how much MORE this challenge can be!
> :)
>
> I think more people "get" one button than switch in the US and/or those
> outside the accessibility realm...but that's just my guess. Switch, to
> me, is a term that is very much tied to accessibility. But I may be
> wrong...I have been before. hehe.
>
> Michelle
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:26 PM, Nissa Ludwig wrote:
>
>
>
> So, I am going to jump in here...
>
> Would using "one button or switch"  or "one button/switch " clear
> this one us so that everyone would be able to take the device they are
> dealing with and make it fit in to the wording?  I realize that I may
> be over simplifying (or, - without intent  - making things even more
> complicated) with this response.  I just think that if we include both
> perhaps we get around the entire issue of not understanding one word or
> the other. I do realize that I am asking us to type a few more
> characters but it also seems to me that if we avoid confusion in doing
> so, it might be worth that effort.
>
> Just my random thought,
>
> Nissa
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:20 PM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu>
> wrote:
>
>
> Spam filter again -- Barrie's response!
>
> Again, given Gamma 4's mission, one button with the one
> switch guidelines may be the most easy and less confusing language to
> use. Many do not understand what a "switch" is and we definitely don't
> want to make things more difficult! :) That doesn't mean we can't use
> the experience to let others know how to find out about the history and
> what "one switch" means to the disabled but I think "one button" is the
> way to start that conversation rather than scare away people with
> language.
>
> Just my thoughts. :)
>
> Michelle
>
>
>
>
> From: Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at googlemail.com>
> Date: December 9, 2009 9:17:33 AM CST
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch
> game ?
> Reply-To: "Barrie Ellis"
> <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>
>
> I personally use one-switch because of the tie up
> with accessibility switches, of which there are many more types than
> just a push-button. From the field of educational accessibility
> software, one-switch / two-switch accessibility is a standard term that
> has been used long-before I knew anything about it. That's why I like
> to use it in reference to one-button games.
>
> Barrie
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Thomas Westin" <thomas at pininteractive.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:54 PM
> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"
> <games_access at igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] one button -  one switch
> game ?
>
>
> I don't think so, I prefer one button since
>
> the
>
> word is a bit easier to understand than switch
> /Thomas
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Sandra Uhling
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> is there a difference between "one
> button" and "one switch" game?
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
>
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