[games_access] terminology

Steve Spohn steve at ablegamers.com
Mon Dec 13 10:12:12 EST 2010


Was that an auto-response Aaron replied to? It must have went straight to
my junk folder because I never got it.

Anyway, I have to agree with him, and it's not against Ryan - it's against
UNICEF/UN. Differently abled or all about ability is a misnomer. Let's
look at why I and those like me are disabled. There are things in the world
that are inaccessible due to a physiological, cognitive, or visual/audio
barrier. Once you have removed those barriers you are no longer technically
disabled. In some cases, the barrier is more difficult; in my case the
inability to control muscles. Therefore, it was not the world but genetics
that caused the barrier. But even at that, if science was to come up with a
way to "fix" those genetic issues, I would not be disabled.

Now, let's take a look at the word ability. Ability means to have the means
to do something, more commonly referred to as a talent. Michael Jackson had
the ability to sing and dance. Tiger Woods has the ability to swing a golf
club accurately. These are abilities. When you say something like "it's all
about ability" you are focusing on normal everyday abilities. For example,
"he can use a wheelchair to get around" or "she can go to the store with her
seeing-eye dog" - you are then focusing on the disability and it's demeaning
because you are staying "he/she can do X but only because of XYZ." But when
you talk about Tiger, you don't say "he can really use his bicep muscle to
swing a golf club" you just say he's good at golf without a qualifier.

There is really two things in disability. You must either completely ignore
it and just live your life or own your disability like you do the color of
your eyes. To beat around the bush in any other way is argumentative.

Steve Spohn
Associate Editor
The AbleGamers Foundation

www.ablegamers.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Michelle Hinn
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 9:30 AM
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Subject: [games_access] terminology

Ok...before we make poor Ryan feel too bad for mentioning that "differently
abled" was the term that was used when he was in college, which is a term
that I think works better with certain cognitive/learning disabilities if
you follow the "multiple intelligences" theories...

I think given that our role is to support both gamers with
disabilities/disabled gamers (and the myriad of terms we could come up with)
and developers with disabilities (see previous parenthetical!), we should be
careful to focus on the issues that help support these things and not be the
world authority on terminology. :)

Clearly, there are many, many ways of terming "disability" (and, yes,
"differently abled" was, indeed, a term used as was handicappable!). And
like all sub-groups (and we are all a part of a sub-group in some way,
whether it is race, gender, sexuality, nationality, hair color, etc). But
lengthy discussions (and, yes, even I find it hard to avoid veering into) on
terms like this (important but not the focus of the SIG) only detract from
the group's role when there are many, many other groups who can and will and
have the time to discuss this at much greater length than we do. We also
area up against different language and regional terminology -- basically we
will never agree! And this is true whether we have a disability or not,
whether we prefer a medical or social model or intergalactic model (just
made that up to tease Barrie, mainly -- and isn't that purpose? ;) ), etc.

So...let's talk about games and not focus so much on what we prefer to refer
to ourselves and others as -- as I said, there are entire academic
departments and advocacy organizations solely focused (or nearly so!) on
such things.

(And, yes, I know this is not going to stop the discussions about the
discussion of what to call those with a disability! And even by saying
"disability" I know that just urked a few people.) :)

Michelle

On Dec 13, 2010, at 6:23 AM, BlazeEagle wrote:


> "differently abled" is dorky & too "politically correct" sounding. sheesh!

lol

>

> Aaron

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>> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 14:01:45 -0500

>> From: "Steve Spohn" <steve at ablegamers.com>

>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology

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>> No lol

>>

>> Steve Spohn

>> Associate Editor

>> The AbleGamers Foundation

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>> Find me on Skype! Username: Steve_Spohn

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org

[mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Uhling

>> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 6:05 AM

>> To: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'

>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology

>>

>> Hi,

>> Maybe that is the new point of view:

>> "It is about ability" :-)

>>

>> UNICEF has a series of books about it.

>> It is for kids and for education.

>>

>> Best regards,

>> Sandra

>>

>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

>> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]

Im Auftrag von Ryan Arndt

>> Gesendet: Montag, 6. Dezember 2010 18:19

>> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List

>> Betreff: Re: [games_access] Terminology

>>

>> curious how people view the term "differently abled" as when I did my

degree (BEd), this was the term of choice. What do you think?

>>

>> Ryan Arndt

>> IGDA Global Community Manager

>>

>> On 2010-12-04, at 7:59 PM, Michelle Hinn wrote:

>>

>>

>> I guess because of my age, I went through the 1970

"handicapped/handicappible" argument where some with disabilities felt that
handicappable was a preferable term. So whenever I hear handicapped, I think
back to those years (it was something on 70s children/teen TV, etc). After
that seemed to be the search for a new term -- whether that was something
that was pushed by the disabled community or those without disabilities? I
do not know. I've just met many, unlike yourself, who have an issue with the
term. So perhaps it's an age thing?

>>

>> Perhaps my own reference to being a "person with a disability" (rather

than "disabled person" comes from both my academic background as well as the
fact that one of my disabilities is medical (and later made medically worse
and causing physical limitations) when being treated for the "cure"). That's
a very good possibility!

>>

>> I agree, though, disability doesn't stop and in the end whatever term

anyone wants to use about themselves, is ok.

>>

>> I think, however, when it comes to cognitive disorders, cognitive or

learning "handicaps" is problematic. Mainly because terms like "disorder,"
"disabilities," "limitation," etc seems to sound better than "handicap."
And, yes, I have a learning disability. :)

>>

>> Michelle

>>

>> On Dec 4, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Steve Spohn wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> I?ve found very few who dislike handicapped (U.S. thing maybe) ? even

golf uses handicap as in ?a disadvantage.? Mark prefers to say ?gamer with
disability? due to people complaining but used to say disabled gamer. I
still say disabled gamer but that?s because I avoid medical/academic
sounding phrases at all costs.

>>

>> No fight from my end, I?m just stating ?person first? is GREAT in a

hospital. I hated when Drs referred to me as ?kidney in bed 8? but in real
life I think the disability is imposed on the person. Therefore, saying
person with disability is attaching it to who I am. Barrie hates handicap
as do most UK?ers, so we try to avoid it. However, you, Mark, Aaron, and I
are handicapped (and in the U.S.) so the word doesn?t have negative
connotations. So, all I can add is:

>>

>> 1. Being disabled never stops

>> a. There is no break but you can conquer barriers

>> 2. Don?t say cripple or gimp

>> a. Notice broadened horizons is ?GimpGear.us? but promotes BH

>> 3. Handicapped is iffy

>> a. Never met someone in the U.S. who is disabled who minds handicap

>> b. U.K. people dislike it

>> 4. Those who are disabled are more hardened against words

>> 5. Person first is personal preference but it is more often used by

academics and medical people

>>

>> Steve Spohn

>> Associate Editor

>> The AbleGamers Foundation

>>

>> www.ablegamers.com <x-msg://60/www.ablegamers.com>

>> www.ablegamers.org <x-msg://60/www.Ablegamers.org>

>>

>> Find me on Skype! Username: Steve_Spohn

>>

>> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org

[mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Hinn

>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 9:55 PM

>> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List

>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology

>>

>> Mark, though, refers to himself as a someone with a disability -- perhaps

he means to say that something about gaming makes him "disabled" but outside
of that activity he is not disabled?

>>

>> Not trying to start a list fight -- just trying to understand where

disability starts and stops for you personally. Do you feel that
"handicapped" is interchangeable with disability as well? The discussion had
started with "handicapped" as a potentially offensive term so I was just
looking for your opinion as to whether you found to it worthwhile to
differentiate the two or if you found the two terms to be interchangeable.

>>

>> Not sure I agree that by saying "person with a disability" is akin to

saying that disability is an accessory -- it's just a preference as to how
the individual wants to be referred to by others as.

>>

>> Michelle

>>

>> On Dec 4, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Steve Spohn wrote:

>>

>>

>> It?s like anything, someone will always be upset. It would, however, be

doable to create an agreed-upon what NOT to say list.

>>

>> As an aside, there is a trend in the disabled community which is similar

to most communities; those who ARE handicapped/disabled are much much less
sensitive to the term used than those who are not. The ?inclusive? mindset
is very prevalent in every country now-a-days, i.e. ?I can say I?m ABC but
you can?t because I actually am an X? ? where X is a
race/gender/disability/nationality .

>>

>> Even if you read back through this list?s ?in-fights? those who aren?t

disabled get much more defensive than those who are.

>>

>> Personal preferences aside, I think as long as you don?t use words you

KNOW will hurt someone, you?re PC enough. AG gets scolded from time to time
over the ?person first? aspect. Mark, our CEO, is trying to say gamer with
disabilities, while I continue to say disabled gamer. Why? Because I?m
disabled. I?m not ?defining? myself, I?m being factual. I will always be
disabled, ergo, I?m a disabled <insert verb>. So, for once, I am very much
on Barrie?s side: life made me disabled, it?s not an accessory like a hat.
Take away what stops me from a given activity and I?m not disabled ? well
other than that whole wheelchair & ventilator thing.

>>

>> Steve Spohn

>> Associate Editor

>> The AbleGamers Foundation

>>

>> www.ablegamers.com <x-msg://60/www.ablegamers.com>

>> www.ablegamers.org <x-msg://60/www.Ablegamers.org>

>>

>> Find me on Skype! Username: Steve_Spohn

>>

>> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org

[mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Hinn

>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 7:05 PM

>> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List

>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology

>>

>> A K-12 student is a student who is pre-university and/or still in

government required schooling.

>>

>> The "K" is for Kindergarten, from the German word "Children's Garden." :)

It's an early childhood education term for a "pre-school" like setting. The
term is used mostly in North America.

>>

>> As far as a black/white list goes, I'm not sure it's possible to come up

with a list that is, well, black/white. I think we could come closer to
creating a list of terms that are regionally considered offensive than we
could come up with a regional list that is "ok." However, as we've seen from
the discussion, it is often up to the individual as to what they themselves
use to describe themselves (ie, "handicapped" versus "disabled") and how
they choose to describe themselves (ie, as "disabled" or as a "person with a
disability").

>>

>> There are no easy solutions. The same can be said for other issues such

as terms, particularly slang terms, for race, sexuality, gender, etc.

>>

>> Michelle

>>

>> On Dec 4, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Sandra Uhling wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> so when we would make a black and white list, we should make separate

ones for different regions?

>>

>> What is a K-12 student?

>>

>> Best regards,

>> Sandra

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>>

>>

>> Von: "Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>

>> Gesendet: 05.12.2010 00:11:46

>> An: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List" <games_access at igda.org>

>> Betreff: Re: [games_access] Terminology

>>

>> True, Lynsey -- Handicapped as "Cap in Hand" is more of a UK concern

(correct, Barrie?) than it is a US concern.

>> I'm not sure I understand how Hasbro got away with a Transformer game

called "spastic" even in the US -- that's a term used as an insult by many a
K-12 student (and above sometimes!). Perhaps it's losing it's luster as an
insult!?!

>> Michelle

>>

>> On Dec 4, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Lynsey Graham wrote:

>>

>>

>> I think one of the things that makes it more awkward is that the way

words are percieved varies so much from region to region, even in the same
language - never mind when you start translating to many languages. For
example, while still unpleasant, 'spastic' and 'spazz' doesn't seem to be
regarded as offensive in the US as it is in the UK - I've heard it used in a
lot of US shows, including children's shows (hello Bratz). I know Nintendo
managed to get two games pulled from the shelves in the UK that featured the
word (including Mario Party 8), and Hasbro recently launched a Transformer
called Spastic (which won't be released in the UK). Obviously that's a
slightly more exteme example, but we really don't want to unintentionally
offend anyone.

>>

>> It's quite a challenge when you're working on a product that will be

released across many regions!

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>>

>> From: Steve Spohn [mailto:steve at ablegamers.com]

>> To: 'BlazeEagle' [mailto:blazeeagle at suddenlink.net], 'IGDA Games

Accessibility SIG Mailing List' [mailto:games_access at igda.org]

>> Sent: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 00:43:09 +0000

>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology

>>

>> Exactly, Aaron. According to those who have scolded AG it should be "X

>> challenged" "persons with disabilities" and "persons with limitations" -

I

>> say Disabled gamer a lot as it's what I am. Barrie is correct in the

>> "people first" is awkward and attaches negativity. Everyone has a

>> sensitivity to certain words but most of the disabled individuals I've

met

>> despise "cripple" and some hate "gimp."

>>

>> I've never had someone object to disabled and only a few on handicapped.

>>

>> Steve Spohn

>> Associate Editor

>> The AbleGamers Foundation

>>

>> www.ablegamers.com <http://www.ablegamers.com/>

>> www.ablegamers.org <http://www.ablegamers.org/>

>>

>> Find me on Skype! Username: Steve_Spohn

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>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: games_access-bounces at igda.org

[mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]

>> On Behalf Of BlazeEagle

>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 4:55 PM

>> To: games_access at igda.org

>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology

>>

>> I personally don't find it that offensive but each person has their own

>> preference. For physical disability, is "physically challenged" more

"P.C."?

>>

>> For visual disabilities, How about "visually challenged" for visual

>> disabilities?

>>

>> It really just boils down to semantics & how sensitive one is.

>>

>> Aaron

>>

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>> > 1. Terminology (Lynsey Graham)

>> > 2. Re: Terminology (Sandra Uhling)

>> > 3. Re: Terminology (Lynsey Graham)

>> > 4. Re: Terminology (Barrie Ellis)

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>> > Message: 1

>> > Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 16:25:14 -0000

>> > From: "Lynsey Graham" <lgraham at blitzgamesstudios.com>

>> > Subject: [games_access] Terminology

>> > To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"

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>> > Hello all,

>> >

>> > I was wondering if I could ask for advice. I've just moved onto a

>> > project, and noticed that one of the lines of dialogue refers to

>> > 'handicapped people'. From what I've gathered, quite a few people find

>> > this term offensive - is this generally the case? We're trying to

decide

>> > whether to cut the line, or whether to keep it (as some people on the >

team

>>

>> > have never heard that it's offensive).

>> >

>> > Any feedback would be much appreciated!

>> >

>> > Cheers,

>> >

>> > Lynsey

>> >

>> > Lynsey Graham

>> > Designer | Blitz Games

>> >

>> >

>> >

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>> > From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>

>> > Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology

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>> > Hi Lynsey,

>> >

>> > I think this video will help you.

>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVqz0LKphws&feature=player_embedded

>> >

>> > Maybe you can describe the situation and what kind of disability the

>> > referred people have?

>> >

>> > A good description in general is: Persons with Disabilities, short

PwDs.

>> >

>> > Best regards,

>> > Sandra

>> >

>> >

>> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

>> > Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org >

[mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]

>> > Im

>> > Auftrag von Lynsey Graham

>> > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Dezember 2010 17:25

>> > An: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'

>> > Betreff: [games_access] Terminology

>> >

>> > Hello all,

>> >

>> >

>> > I was wondering if I could ask for advice. I?ve just moved onto a

>> > project,

>> > and noticed that one of the lines of dialogue refers to ?handicapped

>> > people?. From what I?ve gathered, quite a few people find this term

>> > offensive ? is this generally the case? We?re trying to decide whether

> to

>> > cut the line, or whether to keep it (as some people on the team have >

never

>> > heard that it?s offensive).

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Any feedback would be much appreciated!

>> >

>> >

>> > Cheers,

>> >

>> >

>> > Lynsey

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Lynsey Graham

>> >

>> > Designer | Blitz Games

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

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Spa,

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>> > Message: 3

>> > Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 17:06:52 -0000

>> > From: "Lynsey Graham" <lgraham at blitzgamesstudios.com>

>> > Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology

>> > To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'"

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>> > The line in question is:

>> >

>> > "Dogs are kept as pets but many also work for a living. They help out

in

>> > all sorts of ways from pulling sleds, herding, helping the handicapped,

>> > guarding and hunting"

>> >

>> > It just strikes me as possibly being a bit awkwardly worded with the

>> > potential to offend. Strangely, the German translation seems to just

>> > refer to "f?hren Blinde", which I'm assuming is just referring to

>> > blindness?

>> >

>> > -----Original Message-----

>> > From: games_access-bounces at igda.org >

[mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]

>>

>> > On Behalf Of Sandra Uhling

>> > Sent: 03 December 2010 16:44

>> > To: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'

>> > Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology

>> >

>> > Hi Lynsey,

>> >

>> > I think this video will help you.

>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVqz0LKphws&feature=player_embedded

>> >

>> > Maybe you can describe the situation and what kind of disability the

>> > referred people have?

>> >

>> > A good description in general is: Persons with Disabilities, short

PwDs.

>> >

>> > Best regards,

>> > Sandra

>> >

>> >

>> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

>> > Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org >

[mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]

>> > Im

>> > Auftrag von Lynsey Graham

>> > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Dezember 2010 17:25

>> > An: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'

>> > Betreff: [games_access] Terminology

>> >

>> > Hello all,

>> >

>> >

>> > I was wondering if I could ask for advice. I've just moved onto a

>> > project,

>> > and noticed that one of the lines of dialogue refers to 'handicapped

>> > people'. From what I've gathered, quite a few people find this term

>> > offensive - is this generally the case? We're trying to decide whether

> to

>> > cut the line, or whether to keep it (as some people on the team have >

never

>> > heard that it's offensive).

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Any feedback would be much appreciated!

>> >

>> >

>> > Cheers,

>> >

>> >

>> > Lynsey

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Lynsey Graham

>> >

>> > Designer | Blitz Games

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>> > ------------------------------

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>> > Message: 4

>> > Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 17:11:45 -0000

>> > From: "Barrie Ellis" <oneswitch at gmail.com>

>> > Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology

>> > To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"

>> > <games_access at igda.org>

>> > Message-ID: <C7AC2B07E36F4F659136228847280420 at OneSwitchPC>

>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";

>> > reply-type=original

>> >

>> > I much prefer the term Disabled Person/People, in the context that a

>> > person

>> > is disabled by something in their environment that poses a barrier to

>> > them.

>> > If a person can't get into a shop because they need to use a

wheelchair,

>> > then you might consider them a disabled person. If there's a ramp in

>> > place,

>> > that they can use, then they are no longer disabled in that particular

>> > context. The same with video games.

>> >

>> > Saying "Person with disability", attaches the disability to them, and

>> > always

>> > feels like a more medical way of describing someone to me. You'll hear

>> > people use the "people first" argument, but I prefer to describe people

> as

>> > people first. Then if there's something disabling them from doing what

>> > they

>> > need/want to do, I would describe the person as a disabled person.

>> >

>> > Barrie

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > --------------------------------------------------

>> > From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>

>> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 4:44 PM

>> > To: "'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'" >

<games_access at igda.org>

>> > Subject: Re: [games_access] Terminology

>> >

>> >> Hi Lynsey,

>> >>

>> >> I think this video will help you.

>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVqz0LKphws&feature=player_embedded

>> >>

>> >> Maybe you can describe the situation and what kind of disability the

>> >> referred people have?

>> >>

>> >> A good description in general is: Persons with Disabilities, short >>

PwDs.

>> >>

>> >> Best regards,

>> >> Sandra

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----

>> >> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org >>

[mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]

>> >> Im

>> >> Auftrag von Lynsey Graham

>> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Dezember 2010 17:25

>> >> An: 'IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List'

>> >> Betreff: [games_access] Terminology

>> >>

>> >> Hello all,

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> I was wondering if I could ask for advice. I've just moved onto a

>> >> project,

>> >> and noticed that one of the lines of dialogue refers to 'handicapped

>> >> people'. From what I've gathered, quite a few people find this term

>> >> offensive - is this generally the case? We're trying to decide whether

>> >> to

>> >> cut the line, or whether to keep it (as some people on the team have

>> >> never

>> >> heard that it's offensive).

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Any feedback would be much appreciated!

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Cheers,

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Lynsey

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Lynsey Graham

>> >>

>> >> Designer | Blitz Games

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

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>> >> & BlitzTech) is intended for the use of the addressee only and may

>> >> contain

>> >> confidential information.

>> >>

>> >> If you are not the intended recipient please delete this email and >>

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>> >> us

>> >> immediately.

>> >>

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>> >> Limited any form of distribution, copying or use of this email or the

>> >> information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.

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>> You

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>> >> &

>> >> conditions of Blitz Games Studios Limited and must be signed by both

>> >> parties. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the

author

>> >> and

>> >> do not necessarily represent those of Blitz Games Studios Limited.

>> >>

>> >> Blitz Games Studios Limited is registered in England (company no:

>> >> 2482913).

>> >> Its registered address is Regent Square House, The Parade, Leamington

>> >> Spa,

>> >> Warwickshire, CV32 4NL, UK

>> >>

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