[games_access] List Posting Policy

BlazeEagle blazeeagle at suddenlink.net
Tue Mar 23 15:47:37 EDT 2010


I think a submission with links & nothing else is obviously completely
unhelpful. It also wastes time to sort through just links.

I think posting links with a brief summary or description of the content
each link leads to is best. That way, One can glance through a submission &
see what sites interest them.

Spam is so widespread nowadays that legitimate info passes "through the
cracks". In the past, I've ignored legitimate emails because they seemed
like they where spam.

- BlazeEagle -



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> 1. Posting to the List -- Opinions Sought [was visionplay]

> (D. Michelle Hinn)

> 2. IGDA Newsletter, Great Story on Page 16 and 17. (Mark Barlet)

> 3. Re: VisionPlay (AudioGames.net)

> 4. Re: Posting (D. Michelle Hinn)

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> Message: 1

> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:27:23 -0600

> From: "D. Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>

> Subject: [games_access] Posting to the List -- Opinions Sought [was

> visionplay]

> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>

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> I guess then we'd have to take a poll on that -- there hasn't been an

> official list policy, just the preference of members. I certainly

> don't mind and have said that before.

>

> I think what people object to the most is twitter-like posts of just

> links. But I don't see why articles reporting on accessibility

> stories can't be posted with summaries and then the link to the

> larger article. Seems like that would be a service to list members to

> see the variety of content out there.

>

> Anyone have any disagreements with that? Let's have an open

> discussion on it, pro/con, and let the list decide.

>

> Mark -- you are certainly welcome to do a post with the above idea

> (title, summary, link) as an example so that list members could see

> an example.

>

> Michelle

>

> On Feb 8, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Mark Barlet wrote:

>

>> Oh, I did not know we could do that. I was told not to post stories

>> from AbleGamers unless it was something especially note worthy, and

>> even then I have been chided. I guess this is a change in list

>> policy. Keep up the great work Javier.

>>

>> Great to know.

>>

>> Mark

>>

>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu>

>> wrote:

>> Cool Javier!

>>

>> BTW, for your next link post would you mind adding the article

>> title and maybe the first paragraph with a "to read more, go to"

>> and then the link? That would help people who are just scanning

>> through but not sure if it's a link related to what they are

>> interested in.

>>

>> That would be great! Thanks for sending such great stuff to the

>> list from your blog! Very nice to have the auto-translated

>> articles. :)

>>

>> Michelle

>>

>> On Feb 8, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Javier wrote:

>>

>>> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//

>>> www.videojuegosaccesibles.es/2010/02/visionplay-control-sin-mandos-

>>> en-pc.html%23more&hl=en&langpair=es|en&tbb=1&ie=UTF-8

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>> The AbleGamers Foundation is a 501(c)(3) public charity that

>> advocates for greater accessibility in the digital entertainment

>> space.

>> Visit our site, http://www.ablegamers.org

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> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:57:04 -0500

> From: Mark Barlet <mark at ablegamers.com>

> Subject: [games_access] IGDA Newsletter, Great Story on Page 16 and

> 17.

> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>

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> All,

>

> IGDA members should have just got an email about the new Feb issue of

> Prospective Newsletter. Looks great, (gets bigger every month). Anyway

> AbleGamers Accessibility Game of the Year award has a great 2 page story

> on

> the topic of the award and Dragon Age's accessibility plus. It is great

> to

> see game accessibility in the newsletter of IGDA. I am very proud.

>

> Here is a link to the feb Newsletter...

>

> http://www.igda.org/sites/default/files/February2010-IGDA_Perspectives.pdf

>

> Mark C. Barlet

> AbleGamers Foundation Inc.

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> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 00:17:27 +0100

> From: "AudioGames.net" <richard at audiogames.net>

> Subject: Re: [games_access] VisionPlay

> To: "IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List"

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> Ditto Barrie, and in particular the snide comments part. C'est le ton qui

> fait la musique.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Mark Barlet

> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List

> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:17 PM

> Subject: Re: [games_access] VisionPlay

>

>

> Oh, I did not know we could do that. I was told not to post stories from

> AbleGamers unless it was something especially note worthy, and even then I

> have been chided. I guess this is a change in list policy. Keep up the

> great work Javier.

>

> Great to know.

>

> Mark

>

>

> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu> wrote:

>

> Cool Javier!

>

>

> BTW, for your next link post would you mind adding the article title

> and maybe the first paragraph with a "to read more, go to" and then the

> link? That would help people who are just scanning through but not sure if

> it's a link related to what they are interested in.

>

>

> That would be great! Thanks for sending such great stuff to the list

> from your blog! Very nice to have the auto-translated articles. :)

>

>

> Michelle

>

>

> On Feb 8, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Javier wrote:

>

>

>

> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.videojuegosaccesibles.es/2010/02/visionplay-control-sin-mandos-en-pc.html%23more&hl=en&langpair=es|en&tbb=1&ie=UTF-8

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> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:32:22 -0600

> From: "D. Michelle Hinn" <hinn at uiuc.edu>

> Subject: Re: [games_access] Posting

> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>

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> Thanks Barrie! Yeah, I like being able to get news even if it's a

> short piece someone wants to share that points to more information. I

> think as long as it's presented with some context (like a title

> summary and then, say, the first paragraph as long as that's

> informative (if not, then a longer summary of the post would be

> welcomed) and then the link for members of the list to go to in order

> to read more then this is something I'd like us to see more of. I

> don't want this to be a list where anyone feels like they cannot post

> news.

>

> As Barrie said, as long as things are presented with consideration of

> list members and that comments are also presented with consideration

> then there's really no "you can post this/you can't post that" hard

> and fast rule. I'd like to see much more news on the list -- the more

> the better! The only thing that I ask is that we all try to remember

> to post more than just a link so that people have a chance to filter

> through posts that they aren't interested in (ie, one person may only

> be interested in articles related to autism and so they would

> appreciate having the context, especially if they are short on time

> with their email).

>

> So, yeah, I'm for more posting of news and such -- it's the catalyst

> for good list conversation as well! I think that in past years it's

> been when comments have gotten "personal" rather than staying in the

> realm of fair debate that people have gotten scared and in the spirit

> of regaining the peace, rules that were not really "rules" have been

> created or made to seem that way. I often don't hear about comments

> people make about appropriate content offlist and when I do sometimes

> I only hear about it when people have gotten to the boiling point and

> it's too late to figure out how the argument even started.

>

> I'm sorry that you were made to feel that your posts were not

> welcome, Mark, but I'm glad you mentioned it on the list so it could

> be discussed. Owners of news sites such as AbleGamers and GameFWD

> should feel free to post new article information and links to the

> full text on their own sites. And so should everyone with news

> related to game accessibility -- Javier's posting of news on his blog

> is just as valid as it was a post about something new. As I mentioned

> already, we should just make sure that we give all subscribers a

> little background information.

>

> It's no big deal if we occasionally forget -- and no censorship was

> intended when I encouraged the additional information earlier today.

> We all want to know more, after all, and sometimes people are also

> worried about links to viruses so if they have the reasonable

> expectation that the link is safe with the extra information about

> what the link is to then it encourages more comfort by all. :) So

> from time to time we should remind each other if we forget to include

> context but all that takes is a polite email to let a new subscriber

> know about how to best post something or remind an old subscriber if

> they have been forgetting.

>

> In the future, if anyone ever is told that their posts are not

> welcome on the list then please email me so that we can work to get

> that resolved. Let's not reopen old wounds but let's instead look to

> the future of encouraging the freedom to post information to benefit

> the cause!

>

> Thanks everyone! Let the news, interesting research findings, project

> updates, and more flow! :)

> Michelle

>

> On Feb 8, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Barrie Ellis wrote:

>

>> I think posts that are well-meaning, good-mannered and either

>> promote good new stuff, progress, ideas, or ask genuine questions

>> have and will always be welcome on this list. Obviously no one

>> wants to get bombarded by too many similar posts, nor any snide

>> comments. I think we've managed to keep this a friendly and useful

>> list across the years, in no small part thanks to Michelle

>> overseeing this community. It's a really good resource. Long may it

>> continue.

>>

>> Barrie

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> From: Mark Barlet

>> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 6:17 PM

>> To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List

>> Subject: Re: [games_access] VisionPlay

>>

>> Oh, I did not know we could do that. I was told not to post stories

>> from AbleGamers unless it was something especially note worthy, and

>> even then I have been chided. I guess this is a change in list

>> policy. Keep up the great work Javier.

>>

>> Great to know.

>>

>> Mark

>>

>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:40 PM, D. Michelle Hinn <hinn at uiuc.edu>

>> wrote:

>> Cool Javier!

>>

>> BTW, for your next link post would you mind adding the article

>> title and maybe the first paragraph with a "to read more, go to"

>> and then the link? That would help people who are just scanning

>> through but not sure if it's a link related to what they are

>> interested in.

>>

>> That would be great! Thanks for sending such great stuff to the

>> list from your blog! Very nice to have the auto-translated

>> articles. :)

>>

>> Michelle

>>

>> On Feb 8, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Javier wrote:

>>

>>> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//

>>> www.videojuegosaccesibles.es/2010/02/visionplay-control-sin-mandos-

>>> en-pc.html%23more&hl=en&langpair=es|en&tbb=1&ie=UTF-8

>>> _______________________________________________

>>> games_access mailing list

>>> games_access at igda.org

>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/games_access

>>

>>

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>>

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>> The AbleGamers Foundation is a 501(c)(3) public charity that

>> advocates for greater accessibility in the digital entertainment

>> space.

>> Visit our site, http://www.ablegamers.org

>>

>>

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