[games_access] UN Convention -> national rights?

Michelle Hinn hinn at uiuc.edu
Sun Oct 31 18:20:04 EDT 2010


Also, Tara is right -- we need to talk to game attorneys (there is one on the IGDA board) before any sort of law or lobbying for a law happens.

On Oct 31, 2010, at 5:09 AM, Sandra Uhling wrote:


> Hi,

>

> the question is how will these new laws look like?

> It is not a question do we get them. We will get them. (Germany)

> And unfortunately the people who make this new laws do not know anything

> about games.

>

> The question is how can we avoid risk and how can we use the chances?

> At the moment the requests of person with disabilities are like:

> * funds only when project realize barrier free things.

> * "Accessiblity" will be part of apprenticeship and study

> * Control for Accessibility

> * ...

>

> I would say the game developer should worry about the action plan in

> Germany.

> Every country who ratified the UN Convention have to make sure that also

> companies realize accessibility.

>

>

>

> In think the term "about us not without us" should also be for people

> who have to realize it. So they should ask all branches for feedback.

>

> Here are my notes:

> * we are not able to realize the request

> ** because we do not have information how to avoid barriers

> ** games cannot be "barrier free"

> ** in some special cases, games do not have to be "barrier free"

> ** barriers are often the key of a game, it is not easy to find a solution

> ** to make games more accessible we need more time, information, support,

> etc.

>

> So what the game branch need is:

> * a project (Game Accessibility lab) that writes the information for game

> designer and game developer

> * we need more support, funds to realize more accessible games

> * we need minimal standards, that can be risen step by step, it cannot be

> "barrier free"

> * the game designer and game developer need support to learn about it and to

> realize it.

>

>

> Best regards,

> Sandra

>

>

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org] Im

> Auftrag von Michelle Hinn

> Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Oktober 2010 19:11

> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List

> Betreff: Re: [games_access] UN Convention -> national rights?

>

> Hey Sandra,

>

> The UN convention is not something that will necessarily apply to any

> country's government. A lot of people on the list who are from the US have

> strong arguments against why accessible gaming law should not exist. I'm not

> necessarily one of them -- in my opinion an awareness campaign is never a

> bad thing.

>

> To make something into law in the US will need to go WAY beyond anything the

> UN decides.

>

> Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "action" and "law?" Again, I'm

> not saying that awareness campaigns are bad -- just that government

> enforcement and lawmaking is hard. The UN may have a Convention but it's not

> something that will mean that a developer needs to worry about it. :(

>

> Michelle

>

> On Oct 30, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Sandra Uhling wrote:

>

>> Hi Michelle,

>>

>> well that is changing now. Thanks to the UN Convention.

>> But what is going to be changed will depend on what we do.

>>

>> When Germany signed the protocol they thought they do not need to do

>> anything.

>> Well, when you see the action plans it is the other way round :-)

>> Now it is the time to get this action into real action.

>>

>> But I do not have enough knowledge to write very good request. :-(

>> Of course we can only ask for laws for accessibility,

>> when we ask also for support for game designers.

>>

>> Instead of getting only funds when you realize accessibility,

>> the companies should be supported to develop more accessible games.

>> Video games cannot be barrier free, they can be poor of barriers.

>> That is something important to say to the government.

>>

>> Best regards,

>> Sandra

>>

>>

>>

>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

>> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org]

> Im

>> Auftrag von Michelle Hinn

>> Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Oktober 2010 15:58

>> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List

>> Betreff: Re: [games_access] UN Convention -> national rights?

>>

>> Hey Sandra,

>>

>> We do have some laws but the trouble is that the ones we have are more

>> focused on equal opportunity in the workplace for the disabled and such.

>> Given that years ago a law passed requiring "open captioning" (the

> captions

>> are either on the back of a movie theatre chair or on a hand held device)

>> for people who are deaf that has MAYBE only happened in a handful of movie

>> theaters in the country, I don't have much hope that a law requiring

>> videogame accessibility would ever happen. As I said, the movie industry

> has

>> to provide the open captioning YET no on enforces it...

>>

>> And our political climate right now is getting very hostile towards

>> videogames, especially as our mid-term elections are in just a few days --

>> the more conservative that get into office tend to see videogames ONLY as

>> evil -- they would rather them not exist at all for anyone, not just the

>> disabled.

>>

>> Michelle

>>

>> On Oct 30, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Sandra Uhling wrote:

>>

>>> Hi,

>>>

>>> the UN Convention is great. But at the moment it is only for the states.

>>> The states have to change their national laws that it effects also

>>> companies.

>>>

>>> At the moment we have the possibility to give some feedbacks for the

>> German

>>> action plan.

>>> What kind of law do we need that it effects also companies?

>>>

>>> E.g. PS3 console and not accepting special controller

>>>

>>> How should a law look like that the gamer can request an update because

>> they

>>> are discriminated?

>>> It is also important that this will work, also when there are mistakes in

>>> the request.

>>>

>>> Someone an idea?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Best regards,

>>> Sandra

>>>

>>>

>>>

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