[games_access] games_access Digest, Vol 89, Issue 22

Sat Jul 23 11:46:53 EDT 2011

Good call, "i_h". I agree 100% that there's room for both, and intelligent reasons for showcasing both.

Re. your point, Steve, hoping to see the GASIG, AbleGamers, SpecialEffect, AudioGames, DeafGamers, etc. etc. become redundant. Yes of course, we'd all like that to see accessibility no longer being an issue. One day...

Barrie

From: i_h at hotmail.com 
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [games_access]games_access Digest, Vol 89, Issue 22

Definitely, there's no way its a silly little game but the reference was to how it might be perceived by a AAA developer right? First thing they'll think is 'how does this relate to what I do'. At the same time though indie devs are still vital to the AAA effort, as lots of today's indie devs are tomorrow's AAA devs, and the day after tomorrow's AAA leaders and decision makers. 

To convince indies we need examples of cheap easy things that can make them stand out from the crowd or to make a difference to people, and to convince the bottom line driven AAAs we need examples of how their competitors are profiting by using cheap adaptations to tap into new demographics (see sony and Microsofts attempts to jump in on the wii's market share). Thanks to the efforts of the last couple of years all of these examples are available in abundance now and there are people in influential positions who just want to be shown the way. So we can use those examples to reel people in with the basics and quick wins (the AAA examples have mob mentally power, and the indie examples have cost-benefit power), then when their interest has been piqued and they have some initial accessible gaming experience under their belt and understand the basic principles they'll naturally investigate further into the more tricky stuff (switch etc) to get an edge on the growing competition, its the next logical step. I've seen it all happen already on a smaller scale. Compared to this time last year we are in a very good position, a few good figures to back it up and we are there.

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From: "Steve Spohn" <steve at ablegamers.com>
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Not a slap at all. Indie devs listen, indie devs care already. If we are to
push into AAA and get changes in the games millions buy, we must showcase
the games the majority want to play. Chuck Bergen has the same problem. My
Golf Game is the most accessible golf game ever made, very fun, well
designed, but it's not Tiger Woods so people stay away even though it looks
the same and is built on the same engine. I believe we need to push AAA so
games that are AAA just not brand names i.e MGG, get more attention. 

Remember, we want AG, GB, GF, this sig and others to be forced to shut down
ASAP because the game industry realizes accessibility matters and we aren't
needed any more. That's my dream.

Steve Spohn

Editor-In-Chief

The AbleGamers Foundation

www.ablegamers.com - community site

www.ablegamers.org - foundation website

<http://www.gameaccessibility.org/> www.gameaccessibility.org- learn the
basics of game accessibility

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On Behalf Of Barrie Ellis
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 4:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [games_access] games_access Digest, Vol 89, Issue 17

Shoot1Up "a silly little game?" - I think that's a surprising and very poor
attitude to take to be honest. It's a fine indie game that I find great fun
to play and can teach people a lot. It has far more accessibility features
than any main-stream game I can think of. Nathan Fouts went out of his way
to reach out to accessible gaming community for their advice (including
AbleGamers), put some fantastic features in - and opened the game up many
more potential players. Bit of a slap in the face to belittle that?

The world of gaming isn't just AAA games, Steve, old fruity.

Barrie

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Let's be honest though. People want to play Dragon Age, Forza 3, DiRT3 and
the like FAR more than Shoot1 Up or Golf Tour. Showcase good games; it helps
steer people away from thinking only silly little games can be accessible.
I'd listen to Ian.

Steve Spohn

Editor-In-Chief

The AbleGamers Foundation

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www.gameaccessibility.org <http://www.gameaccessibility.org/> - learn the
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On Behalf Of Barrie Ellis
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 12:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [games_access] games_access Digest, Vol 89, Issue 17

Good call.

Re. request for nice stories - loads here via the booklets:
http://www.specialeffect-games.org.uk/ - that we'd be chuffed if you'd
consider adding one or two from. Happy to give you a bit more back-ground on
any.

Lovely wedding snaps by the way. Liked the dinosaur!

Barrie

From: Tara Voelker (Tefertiller) <mailto:ttefertiller at igda-gasig.org>  

Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 5:47 PM

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Subject: Re: [games_access] games_access Digest, Vol 89, Issue 17

I also recommend Shoot 1 Up. I used it for a accessibility arcade/
presentation at the Orlando Science Center this past January. I set up the
game and turned on one button mode and made the players play with an arcade
stick, and then after playing 1 round with though options allowed them to
change the settings to whatever they wanted. It was a big hit. 

Additionally on Tekken 6- It also has remappble controls if you wished to
use some sort of custom controller with it.

Barrie mentioned Half life- I also recommend other Valve titles as well.
They all have closed captions and most have remappable controls. I demoed
Portal once. Colorblind friendly, remappable controls, closed captions or
subitles, no time limits. It's not violent and doesn't use bad language, so
it's good to have around kids. 

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On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Barrie Ellis <oneswitch at gmail.com> wrote:

Maybe go for Wii's "Let's Tap" which has the experiential/sensory
"Visualiser" modes (lovely arty ones, fireworks, and fish botherer mode) -
including a proper low-pressure game of trying to get balls into a cup in as
few taps as possible.

For Xbox 360 - Maybe "Shoot 1UP", which is one SpecialEffect just used at
Develop, Brighton (which brought back happy memories of 2006). This game has
high-contrast options, speed control, one-switch mode and various difficulty
levels too. Needs a internet connection though to get signed in to Xbox
Live.

If no Xbox live connection, we also demo'ed Tekken 6, which has a lovely
training zone, where you can set up a two player mode (we used a one-hand
controller for one player, vs. two switches for another). The great thing
about Tekken 6, is that on each tap of Punch of kick, your player moves
towards the opponent. With two buttons you can use special moves (e.g. hold
both down), giving you some strategy possibilities. Plus you can use the
handicap system to make it harder for one player than another.

Ditto Ian, re. Forza 3, which we used at last years EuroGamer:
http://www.gamebase.info/magazine/read/forza-motorsport-3-_191.html and it
went down well. You can do the same with Dirt 3.

We also demo'ed Half-Life 2 for the remapping modes, and full
subtitles/closed-captions.

For PS3, how about Everybody's Golf World Tour? You can play 18 holes using
just one-button on its easiest settings.

Hope it goes well, Sandra.

Barrie

From: Ian Hamilton <mailto:i_h at hotmail.com>  

Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 3:25 PM

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Subject: Re: [games_access] games_access Digest, Vol 89, Issue 17

Sorry, forgot to say.. Forza is Xbox 360 only. So Forza on Xbox, Dragon Age
on PS3?

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From: i_h at hotmail.com
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Subject: RE: games_access Digest, Vol 89, Issue 17
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:24:29 +0000

Dragon Age Origins has fantastic subtitling including optional audio
description, and a host of other nice accessibility features. It won
ablegamers game of the year for 2009. It's PC / 360 / PS3. Dragon Age 2 is
out now, I haven't played it though, don't know if it has the same options
available. 

If you're after something that's assistive tech compatible then Forza 3 is a
really nice one to show, works with two switches.. they also have an
ablegamers game of the year award behind them. 

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> Hi,
> 
> update:
> 
> Room: 60 qm
> 
> (Each station has system, monitor, standard control)
> 
> 1 PC: "Q9" (Audiogame), + AudioViews of other Audiogames
> + some Headsets, + thing to connect some Headsets
> 
> 1 PC: "My Golf Game"
> + USB Xbox360 Controller
> + One Switch
> 
> 1 PS3: Half-Life 2
> 1 Xbox/xbox360: Half-Life 2
> 1 Wii:
> 
> 
> I still have to find out, if it is a XBox or a XBox360.
> Do the "Half-Life2" Xbox360 / PS3 also have [CC]?
> 
> They said that it should be no problem to get the ok
> for "My Golf Game". EA is somehow involved in the congress.
> 
> We do not have to care about age rating, because it is only
> for adults.
> 
> 
> Then I still miss two games.
> Wii and Xbox360 or PS3. 
> Has anyone nice ideas?
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Sandra
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> 
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