[games_access] Game accessibility not part of the conference about digital barriers

Fri Aug 24 11:11:21 EDT 2012

"Ok the big problem behind this: Web Accessibility is easy.

Game Accessibility is difficult. They had to admit that the state"

Not so, web accessibility is not easy, they both have their own unique issues.

I'd even go so far as to say that web is harder than games as you're dealing with live products, maintained by editorial / marketing teams who have different knowledge and skills to the people who designed and built the thing.

That aside though, I'm sure the conference issue will change. Accessibility conferences aren't where to hit, they are usually pretty dry and consist solely of people who already care, so you're wasting time preaching to the converted. There are general electronic media conferences that cover both web and games, those are the ones to try for. They often already have web accessibility talks, but from the point of view of the organisers, what would you rather have, yet another talk about semantic code, or a talk about what you can borrow from Gears of War to help people and male you money?

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   1. Re: Game Accessibility not part of the conference about
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      digital barriers (Sandra Uhling)
   3. Re: Game Accessibility not part of the conference about
      digital barriers (Thomas Westin)

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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:39:37 +0200
From: Thomas Westin <thomasw at dsv.su.se>
Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility not part of the
        conference      about   digital barriers
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Hi Sandra,

which conference was it? Do you have an URL?

Mvh / Best regards
Thomas Westin
Stockholm University :: dsv.su.se

On 22Aug 2012, at 10:34 AM, Sandra Uhling wrote:

> Hello,
>
> they did not want Game Accessibility beeing part of the conference.
> It was cancelled.
>
> Conference about digital barriers in Berlin, Germany.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:53:45 +0200
From: "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de>
Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility not part of the
        conference      about digital barriers
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The name is: "Digital informiert im Job integriert."

They are from the side of people with a disability, that sucks the most.

But I am used to it that also this kind of organisation do not like this
topic.

They are "old" and do not like games???

19. and 20. september 2012 in Berlin, Germany

The big problem: usually they think about Web Accessibility.

Although the CRPD request for a "no-gap solution".

This includes everything: home, mobility to work, office, software (!), .

I sent them regularly news about serious games.

They should know about it. Games are used for education, training,
recruitment .

Imagine someone cannot play a game because of a barrier, but this barrier

will not be at the work place. That is discriminiation.

Ok the big problem behind this: Web Accessibility is easy.

Game Accessibility is difficult. They had to admit that the state

has to put money into research for this.

Sometimes people think web pages = software, games = software

Rules for web => rules for games.

But I think the truth problem is that games are still not accepted.

Simple easy, . but stupid.

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=103&lang=de>
http://www.di-ji.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=190&Itemid=
103&lang=de

Google translate: http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de
<http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-
8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.di-ji.de%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_con
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D103%26lang%3Dde&act=url

Best regards,

Sandra

Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org] Im
Auftrag von Thomas Westin
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. August 2012 22:40
An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
Betreff: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility not part of the conference
about digital barriers

Hi Sandra,

which conference was it? Do you have an URL?

Mvh / Best regards
Thomas Westin

Stockholm University :: dsv.su.se

On 22Aug 2012, at 10:34 AM, Sandra Uhling wrote:

Hello,

they did not want Game Accessibility beeing part of the conference.
It was cancelled.

Conference about digital barriers in Berlin, Germany.

Best regards,
Sandra

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:02:42 +0200
From: Thomas Westin <thomasw at dsv.su.se>
Subject: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility not part of the
        conference      about digital barriers
To: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List <games_access at igda.org>
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yes, according to Huizinga, play and games have in various (later stages of) culture all of the world not been considered socially accepted; play among adults is only allowed in the ritual, or poetry etc. Play can be very seriuos indeed. The term serious games is a paradox but also a very expressive as a way to say play but not play - with the underlying purpose of making games socially accepted.

So the reaction to games may be understood this way; however disappointing

Kind regards,
Thomas

(Sent from my mobile)

On 22 aug 2012, at 23:53, "Sandra Uhling" <sandra_uhling at web.de> wrote:

>
> The name is: ?Digital informiert im Job integriert.?
> They are from the side of people with a disability, that sucks the most.
> But I am used to it that also this kind of organisation do not like this topic.
> They are ?old? and do not like games???
>
> 19. and 20. september 2012 in Berlin, Germany
>
> The big problem: usually they think about Web Accessibility.
> Although the CRPD request for a ?no-gap solution?.
> This includes everything: home, mobility to work, office, software (!), ?
>
> I sent them regularly news about serious games.
> They should know about it. Games are used for education, training, recruitment ?
> Imagine someone cannot play a game because of a barrier, but this barrier
> will not be at the work place. That is discriminiation.
>
> Ok the big problem behind this: Web Accessibility is easy.
> Game Accessibility is difficult. They had to admit that the state
> has to put money into research for this.
>
> Sometimes people think web pages = software, games = software
> Rules for web => rules for games.
>
> But I think the truth problem is that games are still not accepted.
> Simple easy, ? but stupid.
>
>
>
> Original: http://www.di-ji.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=190&Itemid=103&lang=de
>
> Google translate: http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.di-ji.de%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D190%26Itemid%3D103%26lang%3Dde&act=url
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
> Von: games_access-bounces at igda.org [mailto:games_access-bounces at igda.org] Im Auftrag von Thomas Westin
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. August 2012 22:40
> An: IGDA Games Accessibility SIG Mailing List
> Betreff: Re: [games_access] Game Accessibility not part of the conference about digital barriers
>
> Hi Sandra,
>
> which conference was it? Do you have an URL?
>
> Mvh / Best regards
> Thomas Westin
> Stockholm University :: dsv.su.se
>
> On 22Aug 2012, at 10:34 AM, Sandra Uhling wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> they did not want Game Accessibility beeing part of the conference.
> It was cancelled.
>
> Conference about digital barriers in Berlin, Germany.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Sandra
>
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