[Techtoolslist] OmniFlop

[Martin White]

Linux doesn't need to understand the disk, it does it at a raw disk block level. I'm pretty sure it's that I used. I certainly back up my compact flash hard drive in the 9100 that way and I'm pretty sure I created my service disk that way too. I've never used teledisk.

 

Martin.


From: John Robertson
Sent: ‎19‎ ‎November‎ ‎2012 ‎07‎:‎30
To: Technical Tools Mail List
Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] OmniFlop


teeray wrote:

> Just boot a live Linux cd and use dd to copy the floppy to a .bin file

>

>

>   


Not so sure that Linux can read the disks - they are formatted for OS9 
and unless Linux has that code embedded in its floppy driver it really 
can't handle them.

We used a program called Teledisc, back a number of years to copy the 
floppies to img files for sharing. I've just uploaded the possible last 
version - 2.23 - versions of Teledisc that I have found to the Flippers 
FTP site under /Fluke

It might work with xp - I'll probably test it tomorrow.

John :-#)#

> -----Original Message-----

>   

>> From: techtools-steve <techtools at arcadehacking.com>

>> Sent: Nov 18, 2012 12:06 PM

>> To: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist at flippers.com>

>> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] OmniFlop

>>

>> No luck with Andre's new images.... both the 6.0 and 6.1 sys1 disk fails 

>> to boot.

>>

>> The fluke 9100 does start booting from DR1 bit after maybe two seconds 

>> you no longer hear the track stepping sounds from the floppy and the 

>> fluke locks up.

>>

>>

>>

>> On 11/12/2012 3:58 PM, Andre Huijts wrote:

>>     

>>> Sent the files to Steve, David and John.....who will be first ;);)

>>>

>>> Seriously hope this will solve that (likely) bad V6.1 System disk 2 bad image....

>>>

>>> Do we have any info about differences between V6.0 and V6.1 ?

>>>

>>> I didn't compare the images as I thought the image files on the PC will probably different between the various tools used to make these images ?

>>>

>>> I would love to write back my images to (new) DD floppies and give them a try. Could I try them on the 9105 ? I ask this because I also have a floppy set of V6.0 that is indicated (handwritten) to be for the 9105....

>>>

>>> Also, isn't the backup tool on the "Serive disk" ? I have a non official floppy with handwritten Service disk (or something like that) 1.4

>>>

>>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

>>>

>>> Op 12 nov. 2012 om 06:10 heeft John Robertson<jrr at flippers.com>  het volgende geschreven:

>>>

>>>       

>>>> Hi Andre,

>>>>

>>>> If you want to send me a copy via email I will test them either Monday or Tuesday...

>>>>

>>>> Have you tired comparing the set you have created with the set of 6.1 discs on TTL FTP under Fluke/9100A/System_DiscsRV6.1 ?

>>>>

>>>> John :-#)#

>>>>

>>>> Andre Huijts wrote:

>>>>         

>>>>> I understand the 9100 is OS-9 based but OmniFlop already supports three different OS-9 formats. However, it doesn't recognize them as any of these three.

>>>>>

>>>>> I've left behind Windows since 2006 (well my work's laptop is still running it) and moved to iMacs but my old PC still had it installed.

>>>>>

>>>>> I still figure it is more likely for someone to still have a working XP setup than a DOS machine, not to mention not being able to transfer stuff to USB devices under DOS (normally).

>>>>>

>>>>> You can always make a multi-boot system, one of them XP.

>>>>>

>>>>> OmniFlop won't run correct under virtual machines though and using USB floppy drives is also a no-no.

>>>>>

>>>>> I have now backed up all V6.1 discs two. I have two sets:

>>>>> Set 1 has System disks 1,2,3 Programmers Disk and IEEE-4888

>>>>> Set 2 has all this except the Programmers disk.

>>>>>

>>>>> Only Disk 1 of set 2 gave a read error but worked after a retry, All other floppies read trouble free.

>>>>>

>>>>> The zipped file is only 2,5 MB incl. the V6.0 set so no problem to e-mail it.

>>>>>

>>>>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

>>>>>

>>>>> Op 11 nov. 2012 om 23:29 heeft Martin White<martin at guddler.co.uk>  het volgende geschreven:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>           

>>>>>> IIRC they’re OS/9 floppies - not of Mac OS 9 fame. At the time that I looked before (2008 / 9 maybe?) it was one of the formats that required a purchased license. Obviously that could well have changed by now.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I tried to use Omniflop quite a lot with Acorn BBC / Archimedes disks and I was able to get it to work under XP but I was never able to get the 64bit Windows 7 version to work. I went through a few mails with the developer who didn’t have a 64bit Windows based PC  so all he was able to say was “<insert name>  has got it working but I’ve got no way to test / debug it” so I never got any further with it.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It was great while it worked but I moved on from Windows XP a long, long time ago now.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> From: Andre Huijts

>>>>>> Sent: ‎11‎ ‎November‎ ‎2012 ‎21‎:‎49

>>>>>> To: Technical Tools Mail List

>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] OmniFlop

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I did a test with OmniFlop and it reports that the Fluke floppies have the following format:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 80/2/18/512

>>>>>>

>>>>>> My guess is

>>>>>> 80 tracks

>>>>>> 2 sides

>>>>>> 18 sectors per track

>>>>>> 512 bytes per sector

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I did notice the floppy format was mentioned somewhere in the Fluke docs but I forgot in which....will try to find it but if anyone else already knows......please confirm this is correct or not...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Op 11 nov. 2012 om 22:35 heeft Andre Huijts<a.huijts at upcmail.nl>  het volgende geschreven:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>             

>>>>>>> Guys,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I found this very promising looking program to back up the Fluke 9100 floppies:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> http://www.shlock.co.uk/Utils/OmniFlop/OmniFlop.htm

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I like it because it runs under Windows, yes even W7 and it supports a load of formats, amongst them OS-9 formats.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> As a test I am now backing up the V6.0 disks. If anyone is able to recreate these floppies using OmniFlop and try them on a 9100a that would be great,

>>>>>>> I didn't have the time yet to hook up a monitor/ TV.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Instead I dug out my PC which hasn't been used since 2005.....which eventually worked after getting some Raid 0 errors and the videocard loosing power because of what looks like a burnt power connector....

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Anyway, OmniFlop recognizes the Fluke floppies as Gravograph ISIS format, which is a computer controlled engraving machine.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> If anyone has a "spare" system they can try out these floppy images on so that we know if OmniFlop works for us that would be great ! :)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

>>>>>>>               




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