[Techtoolslist] OmniFlop

[Andre Huijts]

Is it me, I can't to seem to find the Teledisk files on the FTP ?


Op 19 nov. 2012, om 10:58 heeft Martin White <martin at guddler.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:


> Linux doesn't need to understand the disk, it does it at a raw disk block level. I'm pretty sure it's that I used. I certainly back up my compact flash hard drive in the 9100 that way and I'm pretty sure I created my service disk that way too. I've never used teledisk.

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> 

> Martin.

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> From: John Robertson

> Sent: ‎19‎ ‎November‎ ‎2012 ‎07‎:‎30

> To: Technical Tools Mail List

> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] OmniFlop

> 

> 

> teeray wrote:

>> Just boot a live Linux cd and use dd to copy the floppy to a .bin file

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> 

> Not so sure that Linux can read the disks - they are formatted for OS9 

> and unless Linux has that code embedded in its floppy driver it really 

> can't handle them.

> 

> We used a program called Teledisc, back a number of years to copy the 

> floppies to img files for sharing. I've just uploaded the possible last 

> version - 2.23 - versions of Teledisc that I have found to the Flippers 

> FTP site under /Fluke

> 

> It might work with xp - I'll probably test it tomorrow.

> 

> John :-#)#

>> -----Original Message-----

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>>> From: techtools-steve <techtools at arcadehacking.com>

>>> Sent: Nov 18, 2012 12:06 PM

>>> To: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist at flippers.com>

>>> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] OmniFlop

>>> 

>>> No luck with Andre's new images.... both the 6.0 and 6.1 sys1 disk fails 

>>> to boot.

>>> 

>>> The fluke 9100 does start booting from DR1 bit after maybe two seconds 

>>> you no longer hear the track stepping sounds from the floppy and the 

>>> fluke locks up.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On 11/12/2012 3:58 PM, Andre Huijts wrote:

>>> 

>>>> Sent the files to Steve, David and John.....who will be first ;);)

>>>> 

>>>> Seriously hope this will solve that (likely) bad V6.1 System disk 2 bad image....

>>>> 

>>>> Do we have any info about differences between V6.0 and V6.1 ?

>>>> 

>>>> I didn't compare the images as I thought the image files on the PC will probably different between the various tools used to make these images ?

>>>> 

>>>> I would love to write back my images to (new) DD floppies and give them a try. Could I try them on the 9105 ? I ask this because I also have a floppy set of V6.0 that is indicated (handwritten) to be for the 9105....

>>>> 

>>>> Also, isn't the backup tool on the "Serive disk" ? I have a non official floppy with handwritten Service disk (or something like that) 1.4

>>>> 

>>>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

>>>> 

>>>> Op 12 nov. 2012 om 06:10 heeft John Robertson<jrr at flippers.com>  het volgende geschreven:

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>>> Hi Andre,

>>>>> 

>>>>> If you want to send me a copy via email I will test them either Monday or Tuesday...

>>>>> 

>>>>> Have you tired comparing the set you have created with the set of 6.1 discs on TTL FTP under Fluke/9100A/System_DiscsRV6.1 ?

>>>>> 

>>>>> John :-#)#

>>>>> 

>>>>> Andre Huijts wrote:

>>>>> 

>>>>>> I understand the 9100 is OS-9 based but OmniFlop already supports three different OS-9 formats. However, it doesn't recognize them as any of these three.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> I've left behind Windows since 2006 (well my work's laptop is still running it) and moved to iMacs but my old PC still had it installed.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> I still figure it is more likely for someone to still have a working XP setup than a DOS machine, not to mention not being able to transfer stuff to USB devices under DOS (normally).

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> You can always make a multi-boot system, one of them XP.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> OmniFlop won't run correct under virtual machines though and using USB floppy drives is also a no-no.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> I have now backed up all V6.1 discs two. I have two sets:

>>>>>> Set 1 has System disks 1,2,3 Programmers Disk and IEEE-4888

>>>>>> Set 2 has all this except the Programmers disk.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Only Disk 1 of set 2 gave a read error but worked after a retry, All other floppies read trouble free.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> The zipped file is only 2,5 MB incl. the V6.0 set so no problem to e-mail it.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Op 11 nov. 2012 om 23:29 heeft Martin White<martin at guddler.co.uk>  het volgende geschreven:

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> IIRC they’re OS/9 floppies - not of Mac OS 9 fame. At the time that I looked before (2008 / 9 maybe?) it was one of the formats that required a purchased license. Obviously that could well have changed by now.

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> I tried to use Omniflop quite a lot with Acorn BBC / Archimedes disks and I was able to get it to work under XP but I was never able to get the 64bit Windows 7 version to work. I went through a few mails with the developer who didn’t have a 64bit Windows based PC  so all he was able to say was “<insert name>  has got it working but I’ve got no way to test / debug it” so I never got any further with it.

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> It was great while it worked but I moved on from Windows XP a long, long time ago now.

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> From: Andre Huijts

>>>>>>> Sent: ‎11‎ ‎November‎ ‎2012 ‎21‎:‎49

>>>>>>> To: Technical Tools Mail List

>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] OmniFlop

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> I did a test with OmniFlop and it reports that the Fluke floppies have the following format:

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 80/2/18/512

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> My guess is

>>>>>>> 80 tracks

>>>>>>> 2 sides

>>>>>>> 18 sectors per track

>>>>>>> 512 bytes per sector

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> I did notice the floppy format was mentioned somewhere in the Fluke docs but I forgot in which....will try to find it but if anyone else already knows......please confirm this is correct or not...

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> Op 11 nov. 2012 om 22:35 heeft Andre Huijts<a.huijts at upcmail.nl>  het volgende geschreven:

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> Guys,

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> I found this very promising looking program to back up the Fluke 9100 floppies:

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> http://www.shlock.co.uk/Utils/OmniFlop/OmniFlop.htm

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> I like it because it runs under Windows, yes even W7 and it supports a load of formats, amongst them OS-9 formats.

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> As a test I am now backing up the V6.0 disks. If anyone is able to recreate these floppies using OmniFlop and try them on a 9100a that would be great,

>>>>>>>> I didn't have the time yet to hook up a monitor/ TV.

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> Instead I dug out my PC which hasn't been used since 2005.....which eventually worked after getting some Raid 0 errors and the videocard loosing power because of what looks like a burnt power connector....

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> Anyway, OmniFlop recognizes the Fluke floppies as Gravograph ISIS format, which is a computer controlled engraving machine.

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> If anyone has a "spare" system they can try out these floppy images on so that we know if OmniFlop works for us that would be great ! :)

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

>>>>>>>> 

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André Huijts
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