[Techtoolslist] Directory success !!! (for HDR that is.)

[David Shoemaker]

Has anyone found two matching disks with different serial numbers?  It
shouldn't be that hard to figure out where on the disk it is stored.  Unless
they used it as a hash key for the entire contents of course :)

David

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No luck, says "Fluke 9100A Service Init Disk. v6.0 This Board Has An Invalid
Service ID"


:(


BUT, maybe this was used on the 9105 that I sold to Andrew so maybe he can
have a look and post the serial number of that machine....






Op 14 dec. 2012, om 00:14 heeft John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com> het
volgende geschreven:


> Andre Huijts wrote:

>> John,

>> 

>> I found one disk with a hand written label Service disk V6.0

>> 

>> I just made a Samdisk image of it and attached it to this mail not sure

if that works or not....I also don't know if it's serialized or not ....

>> At least you will have 3 disks/images to look at.

>> 

>> 

>>    

> 

> Being the really patient guy I am I decided to test this disk over

lunch...I get the same error (disk is serialized). Have you tried this 6.0
disk in your machine? If it works, what is the serial number of your 9100?

> 

> Currently converting the floppy image to a TD0 file so I can run Hexedit

comparison on it. Nuts, I need a DOS computer to do that...my XP machine
won't recognize C: (FAT64 I guess).

> 

> John :-#)#

>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

>> ---

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Op 13 dec. 2012, om 21:16 heeft John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com> het

volgende geschreven:

>> 

>>  

>>> David Ryskalczyk wrote:

>>>    

>>>> There's a Teledisk image of a service disk, as well as a bunch of 

>>>> other documentation, over here:

>>>> 

>>>> http://www.iobium.com/9100a%20tester/

>>>> 

>>>> Not sure whether this one is serialized or not.

>>>> 

>>>> --David

>>>>       

>>> That's Martin Reynolds site - another TTL past regular...(are you 

>>> still around Martin?)

>>> 

>>> http://www.iobium.com/9100a%20tester/9100atester.htm

>>> 

>>> Interesting that he talks about Service disk 6.0...I will take another

look at the file Service.TD0 on his site, thanks!

>>> 

>>> John :-#)#

>>>    

>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:09 PM, John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com>

wrote:

>>>>       

>>>>> Andre Huijts wrote:

>>>>>           

>>>>>> Andrew....I'm not stupid. I understand what it can do for about 

>>>>>> 90% by now, I've read enough to have a pretty clear picture.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> However, without any programs that actually DO a 100% test it's 

>>>>>> not really worth anything right ?

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Please stop talking down to me Andrew, I'm not a moron.....

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>               

>>>>> Hey, Andre, Andrew is just pulling your leg!

>>>>> 

>>>>> The 9100 can be a bit of a boat anchor/door stop unless you really 

>>>>> get into it. They are still in wide use industrially as they are 

>>>>> often the only machine keeping production line equipment running 

>>>>> that was designed in the 80s and 90s.

>>>>> 

>>>>> Even the basic tests are superior to the 9010 though as you can 

>>>>> easily store the results and easily make lookup tables for 

>>>>> individual games if you have the programming option.

>>>>> 

>>>>> I've found the renewed interest in the 9100 (thanks in large part 

>>>>> to Andre) to be refreshing my desire to get this great tool in use 

>>>>> in my shop - for too many years have they been sitting on a shelf 

>>>>> being ignored. I mostly use the 9010 and my collection of pods to 

>>>>> troubleshoot, and while that is fine for me, it would benefit my 

>>>>> staff if I got a 9100 running with the tests built in for are 

>>>>> common game board (Atari, Bally, Williams, etc.) that come through 

>>>>> on a regular basis and while the test fixture gives us a pretty 

>>>>> good idea of the problems, integrating a 9100 could speed up the tests

significantly.

>>>>> 

>>>>> The beauty of the 9100 is the GFI. I see building tests for Capcom 

>>>>> and other orphans of the pinball world where no test fixtures 

>>>>> exist or are more money than one cares to spend when you only see 

>>>>> the game once every few years - however a guided test for the 

>>>>> driver board, shared with this group, could help a number of shops

deal with these games quickly.

>>>>> 

>>>>> Making up a Bed Of Nails test jig that is hooked to the 9100 seems 

>>>>> to be a good project for 2013 and I for one will be exploring this 

>>>>> project in the new year.

>>>>> 

>>>>> Have to get past Xams first - we are very busy right now!

>>>>> 

>>>>> Still also hoping to find a non-serialized copy of 6.0 Service 

>>>>> (was included in the 40MB SCSI upgrade kit) - or even a copy that 

>>>>> has a different serial number to compare.

>>>>> 

>>>>> Another project is to check the wiring changes to the motherboards 

>>>>> - I suspect the latest ones (I have a "G" revision) allow you to 

>>>>> use the 1.44 floppies, a number of jumpers around the floppy

connector...

>>>>> 

>>>>> John :-#)#

>>>>> 

>>>>>           

>>>>>> Op 13 dec. 2012, om 17:50 heeft Andrew Welburn 

>>>>>> <andy at andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven:

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>               

>>>>>>> Andre..

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> You havn't read all the manuals, and dont fully grasp what the 

>>>>>>> 9100 can do. Its much, much more than a 9010, its a complete 

>>>>>>> 100% pcb test system, as i've previously described, its not 

>>>>>>> limited to rams and roms. Read up and learn my young jedi.

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> Andrew Welburn

>>>>>>> http://www.andys-arcade.com

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> On 13/12/2012 16:45, Andre Huijts wrote:

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>                   

>>>>>>>> Funny, I was thinking about using Centi as well.....reasons 

>>>>>>>> were because I own one, it's a raster game (seemed simpler than 

>>>>>>>> a vector game to me) and Atari already makes the schematics in

"functional blocks"......

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> Been trying to read in the Applications manual today (during 

>>>>>>>> work

>>>>>>>> breaks....) and I nodded off at least 10 times....apart from 

>>>>>>>> that, it's sure not easy....

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> However.....correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the majority 

>>>>>>>> of problems can be found using the very "basic" tests (which 

>>>>>>>> are actually pretty thorough) being the address and databusses, 

>>>>>>>> finding bad buffers and doing RAM and ROM checks. As such it's 

>>>>>>>> not much more than a 9010 I guess, which is a bit of a shame of 

>>>>>>>> course, but I don't see anyone investing so many hours to get 

>>>>>>>> programs done  for himself or maybe a couple of other guys

interested.....

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> It would be cool to have a program for POKEY (if only to make 

>>>>>>>> it produce some sounds ;) ) f.i., on the other hand, swapping 

>>>>>>>> one takes just seconds and most of the signals of it being

defective are pretty well known....

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> Someone should write a program that scans the schematics of any 

>>>>>>>> PCB and turns it into a TL/1 program ;)

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> André

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>                       

>>>>>           

>>> 

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>> 

>> André Huijts

>> andre.huijts at upcmail.nl

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>>  

> 

> 

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