[Techtoolslist] Directory success !!! (for HDR that is.)

[Andre Huijts]

Pretty sure John is working on that...


Op 15 dec. 2012, om 00:01 heeft David Shoemaker <davids at oz.net> het volgende geschreven:


> Has anyone found two matching disks with different serial numbers?  It

> shouldn't be that hard to figure out where on the disk it is stored.  Unless

> they used it as a hash key for the entire contents of course :)

> 

> David

> 

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> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Directory success !!! (for HDR that is.)

> 

> No luck, says "Fluke 9100A Service Init Disk. v6.0 This Board Has An Invalid

> Service ID"

> 

> :(

> 

> BUT, maybe this was used on the 9105 that I sold to Andrew so maybe he can

> have a look and post the serial number of that machine....

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Op 14 dec. 2012, om 00:14 heeft John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com> het

> volgende geschreven:

> 

>> Andre Huijts wrote:

>>> John,

>>> 

>>> I found one disk with a hand written label Service disk V6.0

>>> 

>>> I just made a Samdisk image of it and attached it to this mail not sure

> if that works or not....I also don't know if it's serialized or not ....

>>> At least you will have 3 disks/images to look at.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> Being the really patient guy I am I decided to test this disk over

> lunch...I get the same error (disk is serialized). Have you tried this 6.0

> disk in your machine? If it works, what is the serial number of your 9100?

>> 

>> Currently converting the floppy image to a TD0 file so I can run Hexedit

> comparison on it. Nuts, I need a DOS computer to do that...my XP machine

> won't recognize C: (FAT64 I guess).

>> 

>> John :-#)#

>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

>>> ---

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Op 13 dec. 2012, om 21:16 heeft John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com> het

> volgende geschreven:

>>> 

>>> 

>>>> David Ryskalczyk wrote:

>>>> 

>>>>> There's a Teledisk image of a service disk, as well as a bunch of 

>>>>> other documentation, over here:

>>>>> 

>>>>> http://www.iobium.com/9100a%20tester/

>>>>> 

>>>>> Not sure whether this one is serialized or not.

>>>>> 

>>>>> --David

>>>>> 

>>>> That's Martin Reynolds site - another TTL past regular...(are you 

>>>> still around Martin?)

>>>> 

>>>> http://www.iobium.com/9100a%20tester/9100atester.htm

>>>> 

>>>> Interesting that he talks about Service disk 6.0...I will take another

> look at the file Service.TD0 on his site, thanks!

>>>> 

>>>> John :-#)#

>>>> 

>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:09 PM, John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com>

> wrote:

>>>>> 

>>>>>> Andre Huijts wrote:

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> Andrew....I'm not stupid. I understand what it can do for about 

>>>>>>> 90% by now, I've read enough to have a pretty clear picture.

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> However, without any programs that actually DO a 100% test it's 

>>>>>>> not really worth anything right ?

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> Please stop talking down to me Andrew, I'm not a moron.....

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Hey, Andre, Andrew is just pulling your leg!

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> The 9100 can be a bit of a boat anchor/door stop unless you really 

>>>>>> get into it. They are still in wide use industrially as they are 

>>>>>> often the only machine keeping production line equipment running 

>>>>>> that was designed in the 80s and 90s.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Even the basic tests are superior to the 9010 though as you can 

>>>>>> easily store the results and easily make lookup tables for 

>>>>>> individual games if you have the programming option.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> I've found the renewed interest in the 9100 (thanks in large part 

>>>>>> to Andre) to be refreshing my desire to get this great tool in use 

>>>>>> in my shop - for too many years have they been sitting on a shelf 

>>>>>> being ignored. I mostly use the 9010 and my collection of pods to 

>>>>>> troubleshoot, and while that is fine for me, it would benefit my 

>>>>>> staff if I got a 9100 running with the tests built in for are 

>>>>>> common game board (Atari, Bally, Williams, etc.) that come through 

>>>>>> on a regular basis and while the test fixture gives us a pretty 

>>>>>> good idea of the problems, integrating a 9100 could speed up the tests

> significantly.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> The beauty of the 9100 is the GFI. I see building tests for Capcom 

>>>>>> and other orphans of the pinball world where no test fixtures 

>>>>>> exist or are more money than one cares to spend when you only see 

>>>>>> the game once every few years - however a guided test for the 

>>>>>> driver board, shared with this group, could help a number of shops

> deal with these games quickly.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Making up a Bed Of Nails test jig that is hooked to the 9100 seems 

>>>>>> to be a good project for 2013 and I for one will be exploring this 

>>>>>> project in the new year.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Have to get past Xams first - we are very busy right now!

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Still also hoping to find a non-serialized copy of 6.0 Service 

>>>>>> (was included in the 40MB SCSI upgrade kit) - or even a copy that 

>>>>>> has a different serial number to compare.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Another project is to check the wiring changes to the motherboards 

>>>>>> - I suspect the latest ones (I have a "G" revision) allow you to 

>>>>>> use the 1.44 floppies, a number of jumpers around the floppy

> connector...

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> John :-#)#

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> Op 13 dec. 2012, om 17:50 heeft Andrew Welburn 

>>>>>>> <andy at andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven:

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> Andre..

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> You havn't read all the manuals, and dont fully grasp what the 

>>>>>>>> 9100 can do. Its much, much more than a 9010, its a complete 

>>>>>>>> 100% pcb test system, as i've previously described, its not 

>>>>>>>> limited to rams and roms. Read up and learn my young jedi.

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> Andrew Welburn

>>>>>>>> http://www.andys-arcade.com

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> On 13/12/2012 16:45, Andre Huijts wrote:

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>> Funny, I was thinking about using Centi as well.....reasons 

>>>>>>>>> were because I own one, it's a raster game (seemed simpler than 

>>>>>>>>> a vector game to me) and Atari already makes the schematics in

> "functional blocks"......

>>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>> Been trying to read in the Applications manual today (during 

>>>>>>>>> work

>>>>>>>>> breaks....) and I nodded off at least 10 times....apart from 

>>>>>>>>> that, it's sure not easy....

>>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>> However.....correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the majority 

>>>>>>>>> of problems can be found using the very "basic" tests (which 

>>>>>>>>> are actually pretty thorough) being the address and databusses, 

>>>>>>>>> finding bad buffers and doing RAM and ROM checks. As such it's 

>>>>>>>>> not much more than a 9010 I guess, which is a bit of a shame of 

>>>>>>>>> course, but I don't see anyone investing so many hours to get 

>>>>>>>>> programs done  for himself or maybe a couple of other guys

> interested.....

>>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>> It would be cool to have a program for POKEY (if only to make 

>>>>>>>>> it produce some sounds ;) ) f.i., on the other hand, swapping 

>>>>>>>>> one takes just seconds and most of the signals of it being

> defective are pretty well known....

>>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>> Someone should write a program that scans the schematics of any 

>>>>>>>>> PCB and turns it into a TL/1 program ;)

>>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>> André

>>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>> 

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>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

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