[Techtoolslist] 9100FT Programmer’s Keyboard

Fri Oct 6 17:14:34 EDT 2017

i think the key is: Can we Dump the 8031 :)

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On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Ian Eure <ian at retrospec.tv> wrote:

> Could be.  If that’s the case, I’d see about programming the dump of the
> EPROM from the Fluke keyboard onto the onboard EEPROM of an 8052, and
> swapping that in.  That should produce the correct ASCII output.  Not sure
> about the speed.  I didn’t see a clock generator on mine, so that might be
> part of the software, which should be taken care of if the EPROM code is
> running.
>
>
> > On Oct 6, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Finn via Techtoolslist <
> techtoolslist at flippers.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > It will have a masked Rom inside the 8031, it will have no separate rom,
> roms were only in the special keyboards made for other things other than
> pc's. Not as simple as you think to change, not only the keys will emit
> different hex codes to the fluke keys, the baud rate will also need to be
> slowed down a lot!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > Please excuse any spelling or grammar mistakes as this was sent from my
> iPhone
> >
> >> On 6 Oct 2017, at 9:09 pm, Ian Eure <ian at retrospec.tv> wrote:
> >>
> >> Great info, thanks for sharing.  I just bought a KB101 I found on
> eBay.  When it gets here, I’ll see if it can be converted.  Sure would be
> great news if it’s just swapping in the EPROM from the Fluke model.
> >>
> >> Can someone open the 9100A keyboard?  I’d like to see what’s in those,
> too.
> >>
> >>> On Oct 6, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Andrew Finn via Techtoolslist <
> techtoolslist at flippers.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> WOW many thanks for taking the time and trouble to take and upload the
> pics of the unit, was very interesting! I emailed keytronics for
> information or the rom data but as expected they don't have any info now
> earlier than 2000 so that's out the window!!
> >>>
> >>> It is a copy of a keytronics KB101 early keyboard and with the
> detailed pics have started mapping the keys to the fluke, I am also looking
> into getting a modern keyboard made with these fluke key legends on them,
> it has rekindled me to look into all this and devise a pic chip to change
> the baud rate so a modern keyboard can be used, now I have done the fluke
> video cards I still need a keyboard so this has inspired me to look into it
> all again!
> >>> Getting hold of those old style clicky keyboards seems a very
> expensive exercise!! But there are company's that will print anything you
> want on key caps for them, so even that is a option if KB101 keyboards can
> be found!!
> >>>
> >>> The project goes on!!!!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> On 4 Oct 2017, at 2:07 am, Ian Eure <ian at retrospec.tv> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 5:21 PM, John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2017/10/03 5:05 PM, Ian Eure wrote:
> >>>>>> I finally tracked down a Programmer’s Keyboard for my 9100.  I don’t
> >>>>>> know how widely it’s known, but there were two different versions
> >>>>>> of the keyboard.  The only photos I’ve seen are the earlier model,
> >>>>>> which meant that I almost let this one slip away.  It was on eBay,
> new
> >>>>>> old stock, for $36 shipped!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> All the info is in the manuals, if you look.  I had always wondered
> >>>>>> why the keyboard illustrations in the Programmer’s Manual didn’t
> match
> >>>>>> the photos of the keyboard I’d seen.  It’s because I read scans of a
> >>>>>> later (1991) printing, which has illustrations of the later revision
> >>>>>> of the keyboard.  I haven’t seen a 1988 printing, but I bet it shows
> >>>>>> the earlier keyboard layout.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The various 9100 service manuals list different part numbers:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 9100A Supplemental Parts List (May 1988), fig. 5-21, p. 5-53
> >>>>>> ----
> >>>>>> Lists p/n 5-64995-131.  This seems to be the more common version of
> >>>>>> the keyboard.  It has a block of (mostly) 2u keys on the far right,
> >>>>>> angled RETURN key, and arrows by the SHIFT and RETURN keys.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Photo: https://i.imgur.com/undefined.png
> >>>>> Broken link.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here’s what I was trying to share: http://www.dragonslairfans.
> com/smfor/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6456.0;attach=11160
> >>>>
> >>>> I’d be interested to know what’s inside one of these, maybe it uses
> normal switches and could be used to reproduce one.
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