[Techtoolslist] 9100FT Programmer’s Keyboard

Fri Oct 6 17:15:46 EDT 2017

Ummm... 8031 is a ROM-less 8051.
The program should be entirely in that EPROM.

David

> On Oct 6, 2017, at 5:14 PM, William Stillwell <ki4swy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> i think the key is: Can we Dump the 8031 :)
> 
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> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Ian Eure <ian at retrospec.tv> wrote:
> 
>> Could be.  If that’s the case, I’d see about programming the dump of the
>> EPROM from the Fluke keyboard onto the onboard EEPROM of an 8052, and
>> swapping that in.  That should produce the correct ASCII output.  Not sure
>> about the speed.  I didn’t see a clock generator on mine, so that might be
>> part of the software, which should be taken care of if the EPROM code is
>> running.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Finn via Techtoolslist <
>> techtoolslist at flippers.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ian
>>> 
>>> It will have a masked Rom inside the 8031, it will have no separate rom,
>> roms were only in the special keyboards made for other things other than
>> pc's. Not as simple as you think to change, not only the keys will emit
>> different hex codes to the fluke keys, the baud rate will also need to be
>> slowed down a lot!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> Please excuse any spelling or grammar mistakes as this was sent from my
>> iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 6 Oct 2017, at 9:09 pm, Ian Eure <ian at retrospec.tv> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Great info, thanks for sharing.  I just bought a KB101 I found on
>> eBay.  When it gets here, I’ll see if it can be converted.  Sure would be
>> great news if it’s just swapping in the EPROM from the Fluke model.
>>>> 
>>>> Can someone open the 9100A keyboard?  I’d like to see what’s in those,
>> too.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 6, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Andrew Finn via Techtoolslist <
>> techtoolslist at flippers.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> WOW many thanks for taking the time and trouble to take and upload the
>> pics of the unit, was very interesting! I emailed keytronics for
>> information or the rom data but as expected they don't have any info now
>> earlier than 2000 so that's out the window!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is a copy of a keytronics KB101 early keyboard and with the
>> detailed pics have started mapping the keys to the fluke, I am also looking
>> into getting a modern keyboard made with these fluke key legends on them,
>> it has rekindled me to look into all this and devise a pic chip to change
>> the baud rate so a modern keyboard can be used, now I have done the fluke
>> video cards I still need a keyboard so this has inspired me to look into it
>> all again!
>>>>> Getting hold of those old style clicky keyboards seems a very
>> expensive exercise!! But there are company's that will print anything you
>> want on key caps for them, so even that is a option if KB101 keyboards can
>> be found!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> The project goes on!!!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 4 Oct 2017, at 2:07 am, Ian Eure <ian at retrospec.tv> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 5:21 PM, John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2017/10/03 5:05 PM, Ian Eure wrote:
>>>>>>>> I finally tracked down a Programmer’s Keyboard for my 9100.  I don’t
>>>>>>>> know how widely it’s known, but there were two different versions
>>>>>>>> of the keyboard.  The only photos I’ve seen are the earlier model,
>>>>>>>> which meant that I almost let this one slip away.  It was on eBay,
>> new
>>>>>>>> old stock, for $36 shipped!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> All the info is in the manuals, if you look.  I had always wondered
>>>>>>>> why the keyboard illustrations in the Programmer’s Manual didn’t
>> match
>>>>>>>> the photos of the keyboard I’d seen.  It’s because I read scans of a
>>>>>>>> later (1991) printing, which has illustrations of the later revision
>>>>>>>> of the keyboard.  I haven’t seen a 1988 printing, but I bet it shows
>>>>>>>> the earlier keyboard layout.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The various 9100 service manuals list different part numbers:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 9100A Supplemental Parts List (May 1988), fig. 5-21, p. 5-53
>>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>> Lists p/n 5-64995-131.  This seems to be the more common version of
>>>>>>>> the keyboard.  It has a block of (mostly) 2u keys on the far right,
>>>>>>>> angled RETURN key, and arrows by the SHIFT and RETURN keys.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Photo: https://i.imgur.com/undefined.png
>>>>>>> Broken link.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here’s what I was trying to share: http://www.dragonslairfans.
>> com/smfor/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6456.0;attach=11160
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’d be interested to know what’s inside one of these, maybe it uses
>> normal switches and could be used to reproduce one.
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