[Techtoolslist] 9100FT Programmer’s Keyboard

Andrew Finn andrew.finn at lineone.net
Sat Jun 30 13:19:24 EDT 2018 

This is very interesting stuff!!!

Was the rom ever dumped from the fluke keyboard? Would be interesting to break down the source code and see how it is programmed

If it was dumped any chance of getting a copy??

Many thanks
Andrew

> On 11 Oct 2017, at 1:05 am, Ian Eure <ian at retrospec.tv> wrote:
> 
> I got the KB101 today.  The layout is a bit different, but it uses the
> same switches, custom switch controller, 8031, and has a socketed EPROM
> with the code on it.
> 
> I’m going to compare more closely to the Fluke board, I’m still hoping
> that swapping the EPROM over gets me most of the way there.
> 
> Ian Eure writes:
> 
>> Correct.  805x has onboard EEPROM, 803x uses a discrete ROM.  The 2764 EPROM on the Fluke board will fit into the 8052’s onboard EEPROM, but not the 8051’s.
>> 
>> My weekend is full, but I’m going to see about getting a dump of this EPROM soon.
>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2017, at 2:15 PM, David Ryskalczyk <d235j.1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ummm... 8031 is a ROM-less 8051.
>>> The program should be entirely in that EPROM.
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 6, 2017, at 5:14 PM, William Stillwell <ki4swy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> i think the key is: Can we Dump the 8031 :)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> William Stillwell
>>>> 
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>>>>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Ian Eure <ian at retrospec.tv> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Could be.  If that’s the case, I’d see about programming the dump of the
>>>>> EPROM from the Fluke keyboard onto the onboard EEPROM of an 8052, and
>>>>> swapping that in.  That should produce the correct ASCII output.  Not sure
>>>>> about the speed.  I didn’t see a clock generator on mine, so that might be
>>>>> part of the software, which should be taken care of if the EPROM code is
>>>>> running.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 6, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Finn via Techtoolslist <
>>>>> techtoolslist at flippers.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It will have a masked Rom inside the 8031, it will have no separate rom,
>>>>> roms were only in the special keyboards made for other things other than
>>>>> pc's. Not as simple as you think to change, not only the keys will emit
>>>>> different hex codes to the fluke keys, the baud rate will also need to be
>>>>> slowed down a lot!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> Please excuse any spelling or grammar mistakes as this was sent from my
>>>>> iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6 Oct 2017, at 9:09 pm, Ian Eure <ian at retrospec.tv> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Great info, thanks for sharing.  I just bought a KB101 I found on
>>>>> eBay.  When it gets here, I’ll see if it can be converted.  Sure would be
>>>>> great news if it’s just swapping in the EPROM from the Fluke model.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Can someone open the 9100A keyboard?  I’d like to see what’s in those,
>>>>> too.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Andrew Finn via Techtoolslist <
>>>>> techtoolslist at flippers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> WOW many thanks for taking the time and trouble to take and upload the
>>>>> pics of the unit, was very interesting! I emailed keytronics for
>>>>> information or the rom data but as expected they don't have any info now
>>>>> earlier than 2000 so that's out the window!!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It is a copy of a keytronics KB101 early keyboard and with the
>>>>> detailed pics have started mapping the keys to the fluke, I am also looking
>>>>> into getting a modern keyboard made with these fluke key legends on them,
>>>>> it has rekindled me to look into all this and devise a pic chip to change
>>>>> the baud rate so a modern keyboard can be used, now I have done the fluke
>>>>> video cards I still need a keyboard so this has inspired me to look into it
>>>>> all again!
>>>>>>>> Getting hold of those old style clicky keyboards seems a very
>>>>> expensive exercise!! But there are company's that will print anything you
>>>>> want on key caps for them, so even that is a option if KB101 keyboards can
>>>>> be found!!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The project goes on!!!!!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Oct 2017, at 2:07 am, Ian Eure <ian at retrospec.tv> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 5:21 PM, John Robertson <jrr at flippers.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2017/10/03 5:05 PM, Ian Eure wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I finally tracked down a Programmer’s Keyboard for my 9100.  I don’t
>>>>>>>>>>> know how widely it’s known, but there were two different versions
>>>>>>>>>>> of the keyboard.  The only photos I’ve seen are the earlier model,
>>>>>>>>>>> which meant that I almost let this one slip away.  It was on eBay,
>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>> old stock, for $36 shipped!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> All the info is in the manuals, if you look.  I had always wondered
>>>>>>>>>>> why the keyboard illustrations in the Programmer’s Manual didn’t
>>>>> match
>>>>>>>>>>> the photos of the keyboard I’d seen.  It’s because I read scans of a
>>>>>>>>>>> later (1991) printing, which has illustrations of the later revision
>>>>>>>>>>> of the keyboard.  I haven’t seen a 1988 printing, but I bet it shows
>>>>>>>>>>> the earlier keyboard layout.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The various 9100 service manuals list different part numbers:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 9100A Supplemental Parts List (May 1988), fig. 5-21, p. 5-53
>>>>>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>>>>> Lists p/n 5-64995-131.  This seems to be the more common version of
>>>>>>>>>>> the keyboard.  It has a block of (mostly) 2u keys on the far right,
>>>>>>>>>>> angled RETURN key, and arrows by the SHIFT and RETURN keys.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Photo: https://i.imgur.com/undefined.png
>>>>>>>>>> Broken link.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Here’s what I was trying to share: http://www.dragonslairfans.
>>>>> com/smfor/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6456.0;attach=11160
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I’d be interested to know what’s inside one of these, maybe it uses
>>>>> normal switches and could be used to reproduce one.
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